td2-build-advice

[astral kraken]

so striker is a gear set piece. the green gear. it has only two attributes to worry about... the core attribute (weapon damage) and the secondary attribute (chc or chd). ideally you want that secondary attribute to be chd.

the way recalibration works is you can pick one of those two stats and basically make it max with one simple recalibration.

optimization is another thing entirely. it's something you do when you get a great (or rare) piece and it's worth spending a ton of materials to optimize instead of farming + recalibrating.

[tawdry flare]

Cause you have 2 stat and you can recalibrate 1 stat infinite time granted resources

[flint wave]

optimize as in spending like 60 field recon data and 27 true sons tactical assessment to improve Stat by .2-.5% each time I don't recommend if you aren't balling out of control with resources

[delicate wigeon]

All my gear only needs 1 stat recalibrating. The others just need to be optimized to be maxed

[astral kraken]

to put it another way...

we're saying that it'll take less time to continue farming for better rolled strikers than to farm materials for optimization. optimization is really expensive on materials. if you've literally been farming for striker for 7 hours then maybe you've just been unlucky with rolls.

[tawdry flare]

As people have said don't optimize at low shd you can get better pcs easily cause all you need is 1 good roll the 2nd roll can be raclibrated

[delicate wigeon]

After 7 hours of farming these are the best I have. Who's to say i will get better rolls

[vestal ibex]

It's faster and easier to find max weapon damage vs optimizing materials.

[astral kraken]

all these nerds who have been playing this game since the 19th century

we do it all the time when we farm for new builds

[delicate wigeon]

How tho. Cos I didn't get anything better than what I'm using. I must have gotten hundreds of striker gear while farming for recalibration fodder. And none was better what I have now

[vestal ibex]

One particular nerd here also wrote most of the build guides and really wants to help you.

[tawdry flare]

Naa he just had too much free time

[urban latch]

The basic idea is your looking for striker gear with either a good weapon damage or crit stst, ideally maxed. And the other doesn't matter because you can recal that second stat to max very cheaply by recalibrating it

[astral kraken]

what is the highest weapon damage striker piece you have? like what's the %? max is 15%

[delicate wigeon]

All of my strikers are above 12.5

[astral kraken]

yea but what's the highest one you've got?

[tawdry flare]

Honestly that are very good rolls max are 15%

[vestal ibex]

Well your build is VERY nice for your SHD level.

[delicate wigeon]

13.5

[flint wave]

those are good rolls

I wonder what the attribute rolls are

[vestal ibex]

Honestly if this showed up in a lego, incursion, or raid I'd be completely fine with it.

[tawdry flare]

This game had Lego I didn't knew that

[vestal ibex]

So maybe you just need time playing to learn what heroic is like.

[flint wave]

legondary

[astral kraken]

ok great. so now all ya gotta do is recalibrate the attribute to 12% chd. and the only way you can do that recalibration is to build up your recalibration library. if you focus on that you're going to save a lot of time.

if you try to optimize you will waste a lot of time and mats

[vestal ibex]

You can't face tank nor just run wildly in the open especially with a full red/no defensive type build.

[delicate wigeon]

That's my point kestrel. I have all the stats I need in my recalibration library. But u guys are saying it's not worth it to upgrade my gear. So idk what Im meant to do

[flint wave]

until you get memento you unfortunately have to play cover shooter

[tawdry flare]

Ahh it's not worth it to upgrade it now since you are low on mats and optimization is material hog recalibration is cheap though

[astral kraken]

There was a miscommunication. You said optimization - that's a specific type of thing. If you were talking about recalibration then you don't need a lot of mats for that. Just run some more countdown and deconstruct gear. Or run around open world and open material boxes.

[tawdry flare]

You can go negotiators if you feel like that it just adds cc on top of DMG

[urban latch]

This might help explain what we mean by recalibrate but don't worry about optimizing

https://youtu.be/ydsADciKSME?si=TUxyl64T3ySXOG8O

[tawdry flare]

Hutchler guide

[delicate wigeon]

All my gear has the stats. I need to optimise to get stronger. I don't need to recalibrate anything other than maybe 3 stats

[astral kraken]

You said that it takes you one mag to kill an elite in heroic. That's actually pretty normal. I'm reloading after killing every elite anyway even if it doesn't take a whole mag. And multiple veterans/normals die per mag.

[flint wave]

need to be shd 2.5k to run wony😭 😔

[tawdry flare]

Need to be 2k

[fickle light]

my guy, optimization is a huge waste when you can instantly get maxed stats by just swapping the one on your gear for a maxed roll from library

[vestal ibex]

Optimizing isn't gonna do much for you anyway.

[astral kraken]

Guys I think he's using the term optimize and recalibration interchangeably here.

[delicate wigeon]

But when I used my reclibration to put the stat I need on a piece of gear. I can't use it to buff the low stat

[vestal ibex]

Like that 10-15% weapon damage you are missing isn't gonna mean you get 10-15% more damage, you might get like 6-8% total damage.

[fickle light]

you can tho?

[tulip umbra]

what is a good catharsis build?

[astral kraken]

Can you give an example? You said your best Striker build's gear weapon damage is 13.5%. What is the attribute on that piece and what is the %?

[hazy steeple]

Just a reminder that "weapon damage" on a piece is pretty much always the least useful stat to have maxed out.

So it can wait.

[astral kraken]

I'm aware of this but I'm using it as an anchor to make a point.

[urban latch]

I mean... Not really...

[delicate wigeon]

The 13.5 is my back pack so that doesn't work as an example.

[astral kraken]

It does...

What is the attribute on the backpack?

And what is the %

[hexed steppe]

wony can be run at 1k 🤔
2hrs is doable .. idk anything giving 100shd/hr atm.
its just not a big hit like higher shd

[flint wave]

I'm waiting till 1.5k to do wony

I was making fun of a thing hutchler said in his optimization category

[delicate wigeon]

Let's say my armour
12.7% weapon damage
6.6% chc
6.7% explosive resistanc

I need to reroll the tablet for the one u guys suggested.

But that would take up the recalibration and I won't be able to use it on chc to max that. So I have to use optimization.

[astral kraken]

Can you answer the question about the backpack? The armor is a separate topic.

[flint wave]

6.6 chc no way

[delicate wigeon]

Backpack is 13.5% weapon dam
And
3.2% chc

So to max both. I need to recalibrate one and optimize the other

[astral kraken]

Okay. claps hands. So check this out... you need to recalibrate the backpack to 12% CHD.

And you need to follow the same plan with all your other striker pieces.

[delicate wigeon]

That's what I'm saying I want to do. But I need resources

[astral kraken]

If you get a Striker piece with high CHD, recalibrate weapon damage to max.

[delicate wigeon]

Only a few of my gear has stats that need recalibrating

[astral kraken]

You don't need a lot for recalibration. It's really cheap. Just run around open world and open material boxes.

Do some countdowns on challenging and deconstruct all the junk.

The chest is more complicated. The chest has 1 core attribute (weapon damage), 2 secondary attributes, and a talent. You need all of 4 those to have the right thing. Farming for a good chest is one of the more time consuming farms.

[vestal ibex]

You realize you were asking about optimization earlier which is a VERY different thing right?

Reconfiguration
Recalibration
Optimization
These are all VERY different.

Maybe a video someone linked could help....

[astral kraken]

So what you can do with this chest is recalibrate explosive resistance to CHD and never touch it again. And farm for a better chest. Then deconstruct the chest you have now becuase it's just a holdover until you get a better one.

You said you're low on electronics. Just walk out of the whitehouse (on challenging open world) and run in a straight line... and open boxes while spreading justice around DC 😄

Better yet do control points since those give you gear to deconstruct.

If you struggle on challenging then go down to hard.

But with that build you should be cutting through challenging content no problem.

[tawdry flare]

you can go easy mode but that is wasted on behalf on your skill

[grizzled garnet]

for a riot foam build for countdown what chest talent should i use?

this is what i got so far

wait nvm thats oxidiser

[vestal ibex]

You want an EP CC build for that.

In the build hub it's just eclipse protocol, it has the fire and CC version in it.

Super simple to build too.

[grizzled garnet]

ye i didnt realize it was an oxi build.

anyways. thoughts on the build for use with an oxi launcher?

[vestal ibex]

Looks fine but as you farm keep an eye out for skill damage foxes, contractors, and sacrifice as those can be subbed in or moved around to suit the needs of your oxy build.

[grizzled garnet]

this is my foam build

[forest forum]

Why is nijabike messenger not recommended again? Got my hands on one and found out it acts as whichever gear piece you get, there's additional one added. Seems so cool and working out pretty great so far so I'm genuinely curious about why it wasn't recommended.

[grizzled garnet]

i think because you miss out on the backpack additional talent

[forest forum]

Oh, the other backpacks. Yeah that could be something that'd be understandable for those who really want specific talents. Thx!

[vestal ibex]

It's not just that but to unlock one extra on a brand doesn't get you far when you just can't unlock 5 brand sets that all synergize and the already mentioned backpack talent you loose.

[flint wave]

yeah the first or second brand bonus are usually not that good paired together in this game

and there's only like two gearsets worth running the 2pc attribute alone(cavalier haz pro, hot shot mega mmr buff)

[hexed steppe]

Move the eletrique to mask and farm habsburg named bag courier

If considering for countdown, consider possibly a bit of hazpro or disrupt resist to counter hunters.

Also since you have 6 yellow cores survivalist will give your entire team damage against status affected targets.

[grizzled garnet]

i got one but it would be stuck on a blue core if i was to reroll one stat

iirc its status and some blue

[alpine sorrel]

Where that at?

[alpine sorrel]

How’d you change the color of your items

[grizzled garnet]

color blind settings

[grizzled garnet]

in the pins

[hexed steppe]

If its status and hazpro it's how I have mine rolled

[grizzled garnet]

(if youre mobile swipe left and you can see the pins icon)

[grizzled garnet]

i'll see what i can do/get tomorrow

[hexed steppe]

But 100% hazpro like I have isnt necessary.
3 disrupt mods on top of ep30% hazpro and watch 10% is enough to make jams short

[vestal ibex]

Ep you can craft.

[hexed steppe]

Its courier he needs.

[grizzled garnet]

le current build (needs courier and a yaahl mask if im going haz pro)

[vestal ibex]

Anything can be used it's just at what loss do you say eh that's enough?

[hexed steppe]

You dont need yaahl for the hazpro if you go the 100% route

3 rolls 3 disrupt mods ep hazpro and watch can make you immune to disrupts.

[grizzled garnet]

iirc i dont think im at full haz pro on the watch yet

anyway. im only looking into it tonight. not going to farm anything rn

[hexed steppe]

My build isnt all that common. A lot of time I see ppl running like 50-70% resist. It's not immune but it's out of disrupts in a couple seconds

I just like full immunity and I was swimming in yaahl mats 🦄

Memento would give so much more than ninja. Much better choice if not using a traditional highend/gearset bag.

I cant think of a single situation where ninja would be a build improvement . Enlighten me 🤔

[sterile scarab]

Matador eluded me 7600 hrs. What would be best ouroboros matador build please. Pve

[hexed steppe]

probably something with hunters fury.
matador , hunters fury, and oreo all cqb items

[sterile scarab]

What chest please?

[hexed steppe]

probably a ceska or grupo with obliterate. just depends on your chc. youll want to be close to 60% chc . if not close go ceska, and if already close to cap then go grupo

[silver forge]

anyone have advice on how i can improve my build (im sure its an odd one but any feedback helps)

[hexed steppe]

what is it intended for? also no hive so no use for btsu gloves

[silver forge]

yeah im trying to get different gloves for it but it works for now
its a tank build basically

except i play solo

[hexed steppe]

catharsis would fit better

[silver forge]

but its fun

[hexed steppe]

gives damage from hits and drops a heal every so often

[silver forge]

is that wony locked cause i dont have wony

[hexed steppe]

it possibly is, im not sure tho

[silver forge]

alr
my build is mainly focused around my shield, foundry + bulwark is basically invincible

i use liberty cause it gives good damage while still being able to use bulwark shield and can also repair it

[hexed steppe]

if you went tech class you could use artificer hive. it repairs while on back... but it would also function to give overcharge from the gloves

[silver forge]

i originally wanted a tech build

but im tryna get technician first

[hexed steppe]

you would also be able to roll a red core somewhere since free skilltier

[silver forge]

?

[hexed steppe]

technician specialization

[silver forge]

ah

[hexed steppe]

it gives a free yellow core, also artificer hive

[silver forge]

im working towards a tech build but for now im using the tank build above since it carries

only other build i have is this and its not very good

[hexed steppe]

the shield uses the yellow and blue cores. the artificer repairs the shield without having to be deployed. it plays better than survivalist

[silver forge]

survivalist is all ive got rn since i dont have technician

[hexed steppe]

its goals to work towards then

[silver forge]

yep

[hexed steppe]

nego is really good. you need good crit for it to work well. its highest multi target dps in the game

[silver forge]

ive heard its good i just have the problem of bad equipment

[hexed steppe]

an obliterate chest would fit it well

[silver forge]

is that a talent or a chestplate

im pretty new to the game i started last friday

[hexed steppe]

talent

how i use it

famas with fast hands would be good for it, m1a classic or cqb secondary

[silver forge]

alright, never seen grupo equipment before in the game though so
also is there a good way to grind for coyote mask like difficulty or something

[hexed steppe]

just have to target masks when farming . jefferson trade center boss coyote has a chance to drop it as well

[silver forge]

it can drop from any mission?

[hexed steppe]

you could also use a nego mask, and then add like fox's prayer knee for target out of cover damage

yeah, it has a chance when masks are the target. it can probably drop random anywhere but that would be more rare

just hit R when you have the map open and youll be able to see target loot

[silver forge]

ok

[hexed steppe]

if you are enjoying the game so far itll be worth picking up wony on sale

[silver forge]

definitely going to

[hexed steppe]

nice

[silver forge]

counting on it being on sale this thanksgiving

[hexed steppe]

oh yeah, im sure it will be

[sterile scarab]

@hexed steppe thanks man

[silver forge]

i was wondering though why do you use survivalist with the nego build? i personally use sharpshooter because of the rifle headshot damage and the digital scope along with the 50 cal, is there like a specific upgrade for survivalist that makes it better?

[hexed steppe]

not really, i just take advantage of a little healing and the fire nade is really nice for proccing sledgehammer talent which is on my pistol

i have it saved with gunner/tech as well. just depends on what i need

[silver forge]

wait so talents on one weapon proc for all?

[hexed steppe]

no, but i switch over to the pistol after i throw the nade and anything caught in the fire takes 30% more damage to any armor they have. itll stay procced when i switch back to my ar or rifle

[silver forge]

alr nice, im gonna go now but thanks for the help

[hexed steppe]

anytime 🍻

[balmy fern]

Working on a foundry bulwark tank build with Kingbreaker that has perfect stat rolls for main attr's but wanna swap out swap speed. Should I do DTTOOC or CHC? Leaning towards DTTOOC, just double checking

[onyx sage]

dttooc

[balmy fern]

ty

[hexed steppe]

using bulwark or crusader shield?

[balmy fern]

bulwark

im at hard skill tier of 4, but at tier 6 for bulwark. Running technician for the first time, so going to be working on getting/upgrading artificer hiver

I was looking into good pistols to run and saw TDI Kard but thats DZ and DZ is eh...so for now running lightning rod

Its not done yet, but already off to a good start with a perfect roll on Picaro's and a couple max CHC

[hexed steppe]

do liberty exotic pistol project

[balmy fern]

Running Ninja since I dont have Memento yet

[hexed steppe]

might consider an artificer to further repair your shield

[balmy fern]

Yup, thats the goal lol. I just started Technician, so I gotta unlock it

[hexed steppe]

oic, nice

[balmy fern]

Also, word. I take it this unlocks a good pistol?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, it works in tandem with the shield

[balmy fern]

well damn.

I gotta look up how to get this project

[hexed steppe]

iirc its really easy

[vapid latch]

good umbra vest?

[hexed steppe]

whats the brand

[vapid latch]

umbra

grupo sombra

[hexed steppe]

thats not an umbra piece

ok cool, yeah itll probably work good

just make sure like with any dps you are getting close to 60% chc cap, with coyote 50% chc is ok

[vapid latch]

ye this is wha i have

i have 48.7 chc and 107 chd

[tawdry flare]

Mhh maybe ceska would be better than

Cause with coyote you are gonna get short buff

[vapid latch]

ceska? please enlightin me. im like new born infant brain when it comes to this stuff

never mind

[balmy fern]

Ceska is a brand name and wearing just one piece gets you +10% CHC

[vapid latch]

ah

[balmy fern]

you can get it to roll like this

this is from my striker's build but it ends up going on a lot of things lmao

[vapid latch]

alright. do i want obliterate too?

[balmy fern]

If you arent going to run a shield, yes, if you are, Vanguard is amazing in Incursion, Raids, Countdown etc as it gives you the armor bonus too

[tulip umbra]

is there a good explosive sticky launcher build?

[balmy fern]

but its preference tbh from everything I see online

[vapid latch]

ah

im going for a chc/chd smg build so i dunno if sheild is ideal or not

[flint wave]

Yes

[shy willow]

Vanguard I only ever see on iron horse

[round zinc]

thats...a very interesting hybrid build,
why chameleon and not like,liberty tho

[balmy fern]

because I dont have Liberty lol, and ty c:

[flint wave]

5 skill tiers but running revive hive

[balmy fern]

Please read? If you read like 3 comments under you'd see its just there because I JUST started on Technician and dont have Artificer yet

Like this build was made not even 5mins before I posted the image

[flint wave]

Ok

[vapid latch]

i have god role core attribute for smg dmg and chc, which one should i switch out first?

or is recomened to switch out first

[flint wave]

there better be a dttoc in that third slot

[vapid latch]

there is

[flint wave]

chc more important

[vapid latch]

i just pulled it from named cach

alright cool

[flint wave]

and that wd is 2 optimizations away from max

[vapid latch]

ooo sweet, good to know

any remomendation on where i can get heyna assements?

[balmy fern]

hyena control points at higher difficulties and occasionally from optimization caches which can be obtained from Countdown vendor

[vapid latch]

alright

[flint wave]

hyena nameds drop them I think

atleast in missions

[balmy fern]

Heroic control points always have a named yellow bar iirc. idk about Challenging though

[vapid latch]

yeah im on challenging atm

barely can do control points but im going good so far

[balmy fern]

hopefully someone can confirm my thing lol...I play on Challenging as well and just hit up a world event to get a control point to heroic

[vapid latch]

my primary dmg went from 150.0k to 90.0k, that spose to happen?

[onyx sage]

it changes based on the gear you put on, don't focus on that number too much

[vapid latch]

alright

[vapid latch]

i did some mod chaning and such can now this is my score

'

[balmy fern]

Make sure you're not actually over 60%

It caps at 60, so if you're really at like 67, you won't know and could be wasting a gear slot on CHC when it could be used for CHD

[vapid latch]

how could i double check that?

[astral kraken]

Vanguard scales with armor cores so if you're running red cores then Vanguard is a waste of a chest talent. And if you're running a lot of blues you're leaving even more DPS on the table (that you need).

On a tank build it's good but on a DPS build it's a waste.

Also just because you can see some teammates with bonus armor in Countdown doesn't mean that your Vanguard was actually useful.

Most of those people wouldn't have gone down anyway.

Vanguard is best used where there is an unavoidable large damage dealer which happens in Raids and one specific case of Incursion.

[balmy fern]

Huh. Interesting. I'm running vanguard on my Ceska for Striker build with shield. I could try obliterate perhaps

[astral kraken]

If you really want to save lives you could try Striker with 3 blues and a Tardigrade chest.

You're giving up Obliterate though and IMO it's not worth it for most general content in the game.

[tawdry flare]

Tardigrade is not bad but if you run that make sure you run a ceska mask not coyotes

[astral kraken]

Thing is if someone's armor breaks who says it's not going to break again 10 seconds 😛

[maiden ibex]

Are there any vendor bots for discord

[hazy steeple]

The only bot on here is me and the auto-mod log, and we are currently having a disagreement.

For vendors, this site should work: https://rubenalamina.mx/the-division-weekly-vendor-reset/

[maiden ibex]

Okay thank you

[heady cape]

New to the game and just hit lvl 40 a few days ago but strugling to get decent builds going. Any tips for starter sets to go for while filling out the recal library?

[lethal trellis]

@heady cape play countdown in challenging, easy to get 40-50 pieces within 20 min

[heady cape]

Ok but are there any decent gear sets to go for that works well on starter builds. I have a few exotics already but not sure if they are good. I got Capasitor yesterday and have the doctors home rifle. THen also got the Acosta's go bag

[tawdry flare]

Descent starter gear:striker negotiator or hunters Fury

[fallen comet]

you mean decent

played too much descent

[delicate wigeon]

What does skill haste actually do?

[west kiln]

reduce cooldown timers

haste means fast

[tawdry flare]

Yeah seems like 1/12 affected me too much

[delicate wigeon]

But I thought that was what cooldown does.

[fickle light]

skill haste is cooldown reduction

there is no attribute called "cooldown", in this game its "Skill Haste"

[glossy scarab]

end this cooldown. post haste

[astral kraken]

I finally got it

First build I made was the regulus HH and it feels so good haha

[violet smelt]

Hi, is the perfect vigilance backpack exclusive for dark zone?

I can't get it to drop in targeted loot

[fallen comet]

Yes its dz exclusive but lucky for you its being sold at the countdown vendor

[shy willow]

Do people run heartbreaker with the chest and bag

[tawdry flare]

With the chest and bag can be ceska vigilance coyote or memento ceska mask

[violet smelt]

Thanks!

[shy willow]

Chest doubles max stacks right

[violet smelt]

For sniper one shot build do I have to stack crit chance or just spec everything to headshot dmg?

[fallen comet]

All headshot handling

[tulip granite]

how does determined work now is it for all shots or after the first?

[patent fossil]

Every shot that results in a headshot kill gets you the buff, so as long as you are one-shotting stuff it'll keep proccing itself, you'll only need to aim for the head for the first shot and after breaking helmets.

[tulip granite]

but what about the last part

of the perks description i mean

about retriggering the talent

[patent fossil]

Regular determined works as I just described, perfect doesn't though

[tulip granite]

ah

[violet smelt]

Does skill efficiency includes status effects too?

[tawdry flare]

It does

[violet smelt]

So skill efficiency: skill haste + skill dmg + skill health + skill repair + skill duration + status effects all combined?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[violet smelt]

Woah, 3pcs empress is so worth it then
Thanks!

[tawdry flare]

Yeah 3pcs empress pretty much rules in skill build

[hexed steppe]

Also memento. 30% skill efficiency from talent 🍻

[tawdry flare]

For bag you can go tech support it gives 25% tsd

If you are playing in open world for memento though

[hexed steppe]

Just mentioning as a source of efficiency, not build specific

[glossy scarab]

perfect tech support is one of the worst named items. instead of a 25 second buff, it gives you 27 seconds of the same exact buff. and its alps summit so its unlikely you'll need that brand set bonus if you're looking for a damage talent

[tawdry flare]

I never said perfect version 👀

[hexed steppe]

Both lacking compared to perfect combined arms 🤔

[tawdry flare]

The uptime is low tbh

[glossy scarab]

yeah perfect combined arms is by far the strongest

[hexed steppe]

And?

[tawdry flare]

You just have to keep shooting to maintain the buff I would use a dps build if I have to keep shooting my gun

[hexed steppe]

You only have to shoot when something needs a snapshot or if a mortar is about to hit 🤔
In sync is every 5 seconds, so kinda in same boat... but in sync is loved
No issue at all tho

[tawdry flare]

Tech support get one kill perfect combined arms keep shooting and than we have shock and awe 20% total repair skill and skill dmg

Pick any one according to preference

[hexed steppe]

I prefer top damage 🍻

[glossy scarab]

Tech support makes things a lot easier for you. Esp w glass cannon and no armor

[hexed steppe]

Ig not using insync or cap on those skill builds either for the same reason😅

[glossy scarab]

Nice. Gettin that 40% explosive dmg

[hexed steppe]

Yeah I squeezed in as much damage as possible afaik

[tawdry flare]

I use shock an awe

[glossy scarab]

I wonder how that compares to a 3 empress version

[hexed steppe]

-10% tsd

[tawdry flare]

Higher on armour low on health afaik

Contractors are null and void on chungas and dogs

So empress does slightly more

[tulip granite]

i could not tell if i was doing more or less on a skill build with a test subject or that gun the pic up from this has

[hexed steppe]

Oh right, chungas and dogs 90% of NPCs you'll face 😅

[tawdry flare]

He asked me for comparison I gave it lol but they are the ones that are harder to kill

though

[hexed steppe]

I'm just messing with you

[tawdry flare]

It reminds me medkit clan used 3pcs empress in their build for tudal clear

Let me ask them

[tawdry flare]

Just confirmed with them they used empress for that part

[hexed steppe]

3 empress does force you to give something up.. you wont want to give up china piece and presumably wont want to give up sacrifice so it's basically gone be grupo explosive damage missing since 2 pcs wont fit

[tawdry flare]

Nope

You can remove contractor pgc and 1 another pcs

You get to keep 2 pcs groupo and 1 pcs china

[hexed steppe]

Then losing 5% amp

Losing something

And the dta loss from contractors

[tawdry flare]

Chunga and dog don't have health so no loss

[tawdry flare]

I gain 10% skill efficiency too

[hexed steppe]

They take the amp from sacrifice

[tawdry flare]

Yeah let's try the math

How much skill DMG we have on your build ?

[hexed steppe]

Sure have at it

Idk, every piece is sd

[tawdry flare]

60% sd and 30% amp from pgc and 20% tsd from china

[hexed steppe]

30% pca

I dont use the s&a

[tawdry flare]

You can replace with imperfect variant

[hexed steppe]

60% sd from cap

[tawdry flare]

It is on both build so remove it

We are only accounting for thing that varies

[hexed steppe]

If you're doing a number workup use what I use, dont sub in subpar shit

[tawdry flare]

But I can keep the same talent

For my build

1.6 * 1.3 *1.3 = 2.704

[hexed steppe]

You use a different build. If your claiming it's better they should be calculated as they stand

[tawdry flare]

Okk I am gonna use 3pcs empress with ca and gc

But I don't have access to game so I can give a rough estimate

Btw how much is ca?

[hexed steppe]

25%

[tawdry flare]

Ok

[hexed steppe]

Pca 30%

[tawdry flare]

So

1.801.251.25=2.8125

60% from 6 rolls and 20% from empress

[hexed steppe]

No explosive damage ?

[onyx sage]

theorycrafting pvp

we love to see it

[hexed steppe]

🤣 fr

[tawdry flare]

Lmao

[tawdry flare]

It is same on both side so didn't take it into account if we are comparing

But I am lacking the numbers from the skill

I need them for perfect calculation

[hexed steppe]

Ok you'll have to figure in dta since it's still on my side

[tawdry flare]

We are talking about dogs so no dta

I already said that we are comparing for health

Otherwise for armour I know it pgc one will win

[hexed steppe]

XD sure. Just make it with and without so it's a proper comparison. Not 90% dogs

[shy willow]

Dogs don't make up much of the enemies you'll be fighting

Dta is a more consistent comparison to make

[tawdry flare]

The point was never that

My point always has been for health which one is stronger

[hexed steppe]

well empress slightly more against health alone, but even with that concession are you going to reduce your damage to 90% of enemies to get a slight edge on chungas or dogs?

[shy willow]

Speaking of I probably need to put together an explosive skill build that isn't hard wired seekers

[hexed steppe]

not to metion the edge only exists if you are using a talent you just said was kinda bad because of upkeep

[tawdry flare]

Only for 10% situations

[tawdry flare]

If you are talking about practically I would use s&a

[hexed steppe]

now s&a also doesnt apply to the first mortar strike, correct? because it needs status applied to benefit

that would be a trade off for the increased uptime

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio 3 shot you are fine

[hexed steppe]

you're using scorpio over cap/mop insync? i have doubt. im talking practically, not theoretical.

[shy willow]

No capacitor?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah lo mop and Scorpio combo

I use It in open world to save my ass

[hexed steppe]

ig you can add 30% more to my skill damage in the calculations you made 😆

[tawdry flare]

Ik but I am nerfing my build to suit my playstyle

[hexed steppe]

the build i posted i actually use.

[tawdry flare]

I can't post the build I use 🥲

[hexed steppe]

skill issue /s

[flint wave]

real afk hours

[tawdry flare]

Yeah my pc is dead 🥲

[hexed steppe]

sad news, 💯

[shy willow]

I'm assuming on heartbreaker ideally you'd have the attributes rolled to crit so you can roll red cores?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

its very crit starved. ceska vig bag as well

[shy willow]

The one I have needs a lot of love but it should work

Technician + kingbreaker probably

And maybe coyotes

[hexed steppe]

c7 works really well with flatline as well if the handling on KB doesnt suit you

[shy willow]

Ooo

[hexed steppe]

but kb can be great damage, its just kinda all over the place

[flint wave]

and has bad optimal range

[shy willow]

If KB don't work I'll get to work on getting a flatline c7

[tawdry flare]

M4 flatline works too

[shy willow]

I do have a nice flatline police M4 somewhere

[hexed steppe]

thatll do well

[tawdry flare]

With m4 you gain stacks a bit quicker

[flint wave]

good, c7's that drop with dtoc are rarer then exotics

[tawdry flare]

Than c7 and kb

[shy willow]

I have only one dttooc c7 but I'd have to roll off strained to flatline

[hexed steppe]

its worth flatlining, flatline is 100% uptime if you plan on maining the build for a while

[round iron]

are there any good exotic masks or kneepads to pair with 4pc Striker's (backpack, chest, holster, gloves) for a Red build?

i currently have Walker kneepads for extra weapon damage, and then an Uzina mask (i think) to help up my total armor

[vestal ibex]

Coyotes, bloody knuckles, dodge city holster, memento.

These are really the only exotics that make sense in any way for strikers. Coyotes is BIS for almost anything, bloody knuckles is good for a big burst of damage, dodge city is the pocket nuke, and memento is a nice casual thing for solo heroic.

[round iron]

Alrighty looks like Coyotes will be my go-to

will also help keep my transmogs lol

[vestal ibex]

Striker You can check out the striker build here that's linked in the spread sheet that's pinned in this channel.

[round iron]

Oh sweet

Thanks

[vestal ibex]

It's a full build guide with almost every option you should consider and what and why.

[magic pilot]

New Dps meta?

[vestal ibex]

I'd like to report a troll.

[flint wave]

found the challenging dif player

[rich lotus]

I'm hoping to find a graph that I can use as a benchmarking comparison tool when theorycrafting my own builds. What I'm looking for is non-subject (fact, not opinion) ranges on DPS for the top and mid tier ranges. Does anyone know of something like that existing?

An example of how I intend to use it - for example - looking at my current strikers and seeing I do around 12-14m DPS depending on my personal effectiveness. I want to look at a graph and see how close or far that 12-14m DPS is from the maximum mathematically possible DPS and average achievable dps etc.

[vestal ibex]

Well 12-14 mil DPS is coming from where? The range? It's buggy and unreliable if so. Check the pinned messages and use the DPS calc in there.

[rich lotus]

It is yes - I did see the calculator and it's been added to my toolkit. I want to use non-meta builds but I still want to ensure I am running respectable numbers as DPS loss in end game PUG coop is not very well tolerated. Mostly I'm working to build a well rounded build with disrupt immunity and CC capability for high end PVE content but instead of asking people "What do you think about my build" and getting the same "iT's n0t StRiKeRz METUH" cries about the DPS I'd rather just look at a chart of what are normal DPS ranges because most people don't take into account all the other things a build offers when trashing the DPS and I want objective-fact based analysis of DPS output that I can compare to actual known numbers.

[flint wave]

disrupt immunity what are you a hunter hater?

[rich lotus]

Yes, all hunters must die.

[flint wave]

don't need disrupt immunity for that

[vestal ibex]

lol just killem then.

[flint wave]

What you need is PFE mods and survivalist

and a dose of HEADGLITCHING

[rich lotus]

lol there are other places where disrupt is used beyond hunters.

Headglitching?

[flint wave]

you can shoot them they can't shoot you

[vestal ibex]

lil peek and shoots

[flint wave]

perfect for enemies that do 2938484388 per bullet

[rich lotus]

There are places where disrupt generating devices are immune.

[flint wave]

meh who cares about emp jammers

[rich lotus]

But the nuances of my build are irrelevant - I want factual based numbers to compare my build to - not advice on my build.

Think of this as a "lead the horse to water" so I can drink my own damn theory crafting juice.

[vestal ibex]

Well back to the original thing you were after, if I were you I'd just log numbers from your own personal meta builds and then compare to that.

[rich lotus]

That's insufficient when trying to make things that the community won't just click on you during inspect and kick because "I refuse to let people play with anything but meta"

[vestal ibex]

What content are you referring to or having this problem in?

[flint wave]

sounds like an incursion issue

[rich lotus]

The whole point of comparing to the wider community is to make my theorycrafted builds better - comparing to myself isn't as helpful for that.

[rich lotus]

I don't have a problem with content.

[flint wave]

Kicking problem

not skill issue problem

[vestal ibex]

You said kicking??

[rich lotus]

I've solved the kicking problem with a pure-DPS strikers setup - I'm not here for advice on that. What I want is to see a chart of DPS so when theorycrafting my own build I can plot on that chart where it sits in the overall range of DPS capability in the game.

Nothing more. I don't want build advice - I want raw factual data to compare to.

[flint wave]

I use the build websites built in dps chart cause its just easier https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwZgtAHG4ExnAGMSXLajAuAjATnpGNgRumaQpvlOMXACz3nMWYjAG0ks8o5xwoxCr3KZBYAOzd60kfOQ5cxDvSEg42EEy212LcZNTZsANiK5zeaXiG58rbDHNNgc0X1OYFWEPknSEBwQwuRAA

reload times and crit and headshot hit rate accounted for but not optimal range

[rich lotus]

Already using that - I'm not wanting a calculator - already have calculators - what I'm looking for is known ranges of DPS people have achieved in game to compare to. What is average DPS what is high DPS and what is absolutely bonkers this person clearly had no life and has every item in the game DPS.

[vestal ibex]

Just put it in a spreadsheet if you want the raw numbers.

[rich lotus]

Think of it like a measuring rod on a roller coaster. "Your DPS must be this high to ride this ride".

[rich lotus]

I must be really terrible at communicating because I'm not loking to analyze MY numbers. I'm looking for DPS ranges the community knows are possible.

I'm kinda shocked something like that isn't readily available given how toxic this (games in-game) community is about DPS.

[vestal ibex]

People giving you numbers is unreliable too, some people will never compare to others because they can't aim that well or lock on to new targets or kill them right off of spawn.

[flint wave]

well if you can one mag burst down targets in this game with 3 blue cores and memento backpack(very possible) then having a ""lower burst dps"" is okay if you can't then probably don't

like countdown and their iron skin for enemies the build meta is very closed

[rich lotus]

And yes, that's why I'm looking for a chart made by someone who has done the research and collated results from multiple people into a single chart of DPS output variations - so I can at a glance see "ok my build does X DPS and it sits at position Y on the chart, this build sucks, scrap it and restart."

[vestal ibex]

You can do this without people being a messy data point by comparing it with raw numbers.

Oh this build is X% DPS behind, it will not keep up with this content cause the TTK would double.

[rich lotus]

Exactly what I'm looking to be able to achive - just without dropping a build somewhere like this chat and getting glance-overs that just wind up trashing DPS without really diving into the full complexity of the build.

I personally feel that as long as I can single mag an elite on heroic my build is fine. That however has proven to not be sufficient in this community.

[flint wave]

it's sufficient w me

[vestal ibex]

I don't know who hurt you but if you post a build with the idea behind it and desired content people will usually help you.

[rich lotus]

All the buttheads that kick in countdown. And all the other games that have similar communities (starting back in WoW Wrath of the Litch King and gear score omfg) where gamers who are lazy and want fast runs care more about getting their runs done fast than being polite to others and letting them play the game their way. lol

My hurt big.

[hexed steppe]

your best bet to find these would be to calculate out some of the meta builds in the spreadsheet so you can see why they are meta... this will give you a reliable set of information to rate/compare the builds you are putting together

[rich lotus]

I'll do that then. I noticed the "Full Meta Jacket" build and got a giggle.

[hexed steppe]

the pinned build site is handy for theorycrafting .

[rich lotus]

But to further expand on the "who hurt you"... I get a lot of flack because I am an off-meta player in pretty much any game. I like harder content so DPS loss doesn't phase me like others and while I do recognize and acknowledge that there are some games (like Div2) that just have flat hard DPS-checks (and other kinds of checks) where you have to give up some of that for DPS.

[rich lotus]

Yeah found that 2 weeks ago. Spent a week of that theorycrafting what I feel is the ultimate build for my personal playstyle.

[vestal ibex]

I can just say that all the content that I've played, speed running, teaching raids, just straight carrying people who should not be in that content, that the low side to high side of skill is EXTREME so user based data is gonna be bad.

Been doing back up calls and the speeds on zoo nets me like 200 kills vs the rest.

[rich lotus]

Yeah I'm well aware of that actually - it was a huge source of problems for about a week because I intentionally skipped like 90% of the end-game progression after hitting level 40 by socializing - with intent to elevate my gear status and getting into Heroics.

So I went from hitting level 40 to 4 hours later being in full strikers sporting 6m DPS on day 1 of level 40.

[forest forum]

There are some good high ends with red builds too if you don't mind giving up your backpack for a niniabike messenger. I'm sure its highly not recommended to give up your backpack piece for striker. Ninjabike messenger whatever gear piece you get, you get a plus one of it. I have 3 piece striker for 4, and two high ends for 4. Seems like a sweet deal. I use fenis group you get 10% assault rifle damage if you use that kind weapon. But with ninjabike i also get the 20% reload speed so your weapon much faster. On a lefty, the reload is amazing! My second high end i have the sacrifice providence defense which is 15% headshot damage, with ninjabike i get the 10% critical hit chance as well. Not too crazy about the 10% but that's what I got for now from countdown. That one's a perfect glass cannon talent for chest too since most strikers don't normally use the chest piece. But then again, they don't normally use ninjabike messenger either... it is an exotic tho and I'm loving it with my 3 piece striker.

[rich lotus]

and a complete gear (not weapons) recal library in 4 days.

[hexed steppe]

if you're looking to kinda have a well rounded build , you should check out memento. most of the time losing a backpack talent isnt good, but with memento it offers quite a bit of attribute realestate while maintaining some of the damage lost

[rich lotus]

I want to like memento but I don't like chasing powerups.

In fact the build I want to play is a direct result of not liking most of the "do this then get X" effects.

[hexed steppe]

well if based on short buff alone , you will ba chasing. but once charged the long buff lasts 5 minutes, and only needs 1 trophy every 5min to maintain

[rich lotus]

wow ok that's nowhere near as bad as I thought it was.

5m duration is pretty damn solid

[hexed steppe]

3% regen, 30% weapon damage, 30% skill efficiency (% in all skill attributes) is kinda big

[rich lotus]

I'm actually going for a ninja-bike build. Trying to find the link to what I put together to see how bad it gets shredded.

[hexed steppe]

short buffs offer the per core inprovements listed

[blissful rampart]

very important. the dps calc on that sheet does NOT include lots of things still (so dont use the built in dps calc) doesnt include any talents gun or gear and no rof changes

[hexed steppe]

@blissful rampart, do you have the weapon damage formula handy in a copy/paste ?

[rich lotus]

Would you say that the DPS calculator on the build tool on github is reliable and accurate?

[flint wave]

shooting range my beloved 👴

[blissful rampart]

yea i do, 1 sec.

eh well have the TLDR form

Simple Weapon formula:
Base Bullet damage x (sum of WD + sWD + Expertise) x TWD x (CHD+HSD) x DTOOC x (DTA or DTH) x Amp 1 x amp 2…..

[blissful rampart]

it is 200% not reliable. same as in game shooting range. BEST thing is the pinned dps calc OR if you want more in depth the Ikia dps calc sheet (should be linked on the master pinned sheet)

[magic pilot]

The GitHub tool is in the process of having accurate dps calculator added

Ikia is the way to go when comparing different builds

[hexed steppe]

thank you

[magic pilot]

Rauceys is more simplified

[blissful rampart]

Github tool is amazing for build making and getting build stat numbers BUT still work in progress for their dps calc part.

[tawdry flare]

What did I miss

[rich lotus]

The best part about the build tool for me was being able to see what all is available to choose from so I can theorycraft then target my content to the loot I want.

[magic pilot]

Build tool is nice to view stats (same as the ones in game) so if you don't have the pieces for a build you can still see final outcome

[rich lotus]

and ty @blissful rampart

I'm going to make a quick write-up for my build because if you just look at it without the context of why I chose what I chose I think it's a bit easy to gloss over.

[magic pilot]

Interested to see what you come up with

[blissful rampart]

@rich lotus also since you want to compare dps calcs of various builds, id say use Ikia’s dps calc sheet (in the pinned spreadsheet > hub tab) it can give you comparisons like this. (ie this is a Oreo vs Famas compare)

[rich lotus]

Well it's already made - and I thankfully finally have the actual pieces but I still need to level them up - easy to max the stats in the slot you choose to assign for recalibration but not so easy to skip the stat max for the others.

Still have to get a Brazos chest piece of Hazpro/Crit Chance to drop tho so I can use the recal slot on the talent.

and I still need the 3 system corruption pieces. :/

I have a question while I write this up though...

[blissful rampart]

i mean... build making in this game is simple that just showing your backpack picture already shows us what the build goal is (outside of say raid specific niche builds)

[rich lotus]

am I being auto-modded?

[blissful rampart]

i saw that lol it got auto modded for a funny reason lulz 1 sec

[rich lotus]

ah ok lol

[blissful rampart]

omg hahahaha reason is "char sequence b00b is not allowed."

[rich lotus]

LMAO

[blissful rampart]

Per Darkoddity since auto mod is being dumb "can i use these two together or does the verbiage on system corruption of "over-write" completely replace the class medkit replacement?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1167181915724456066/1173963506207441016/image.png?ex=6565ddb7&is=655368b7&hm=814a97f424d34b149a4129144b413baf4afa3e8fd0e6d043e5034f542bd15acc&=
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1167181915724456066/1173963694774956113/image.png?ex=6565dde4&is=655368e4&hm=934062299d9a2ae56347b00b360e26c4d55c1f0334956cbb24fbdd0142a32b04&="

[rich lotus]

I'm hoping that I can use them together because if I can my build would have a 4-million armor Heal Over Time for 10s on a 10s cooldown.

[blissful rampart]

and to answer. the Spec kit only buffs the NORMAL armor kits. system gear set kit replaces it with its own thing (they dont stack

[rich lotus]

Damn

Le sad. But that explains why I could find absolutely nothing online of people doing it.

Scratching that "I can't be the first person to think of this combo" part of my brain.

Here is another question - Hackstep Protocol talent on System Corruption - does the 20s cooldown start the second you tap the armor kit key - or does it start when the bonus armor it gives you drops off?

[blissful rampart]

hmm been a while since i checked that but iirc once you start it ie tap armor kit

[rich lotus]

ty

[tawdry flare]

Bruh that is an old screenshot

[blissful rampart]

?? its new not old lol

well using the old ikia dps calc though

[vestal ibex]

That's oreo stuffs.

[blissful rampart]

^^

[tawdry flare]

I remember you posted the same screenshot

Let me dig up

[blissful rampart]

his new calc is too... much color going on lol

of course i posted it when patch went live so like... 3 weeks ago?

[vestal ibex]

Get that expertise rolling yo. Did you make HF reg or HE?

[tawdry flare]

@blissful rampart

[blissful rampart]

exactly. its only 1 month old and on same balance patch. so its New info still 😛

[tawdry flare]

Can you please calculate sleigher dps I think it is way higher than oreo

[blissful rampart]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[rich lotus]

This is why I hate DPS-meta-culture.

[forest forum]

Isn't coyote mask the best to use with striker? Esp for red builds. Every1 seems to use it so idc to lol. Works great tho.

[blissful rampart]

yes and no

[rich lotus]

"Use the best thing you have until you get the best thing."

[forest forum]

I guess again, it really depends on the enemies and where you use it.

[vestal ibex]

Isn't that best?

[blissful rampart]

Coyotes is great BUT so is dodge city and if already have 2 people running it then replace coyotes with say grupo also an option (or hell go dodge city) also memento still good option

[tawdry flare]

If you hate it use whatever you want

[rich lotus]

Not when it gets to the point of disallowing people from playing the game in a way that's fun for them - but also, yes it is the best way. lol

[hazy steeple]

That is really not how div2 works.

[vestal ibex]

I mean I always tell people to use what's best but if you are going to scale back damage or just take a DPS loss cause it's fun then fine by me, it's your game.

[tawdry flare]

No one is forcing someone to play meta it's just meta is strong vs normal weapon so you can it is kind of unbalanced how strong some pcs are and it destroys the balance

[vestal ibex]

If you somehow end up in a lobby with me idc what you have on, I've probably built a core group that could do it without input most the time.

[rich lotus]

Actually there is a large toxic portion of the community that polices builds and kicks people. I saw close to a dozen people get kicked from countdowns in the course of just 2 hours last night.

and this is common.

I've seen it every day I've queued for countdown since I started the level 40 endgame 3 weeks ago.

and it happens in about 8/10 raids.

[tawdry flare]

I am gonna use sleigher improvised on next incursion run with you

[vestal ibex]

You also might not think about how bad the people who are leading these things are, maybe they know their limits and know they can't handle too much to carry.

[vestal ibex]

Do I need to relink the SHD 1 we got an ouro for?

[forest forum]

I was using a coyote mask for CD cuz every1 was in low 1gs or under SHD, then someone else pulled theirs. Does that make it ineffective if two were used? I couldn't honestly tell, seemed we had bunch new ppl in CD..

[hazy steeple]

It's important to remember that there isn't just a single "meta" in div2, and that's assuming you even mean for that one particular thing you're trying to do.
e.g. a long range fight means the Oreo would be terrible, but it's still probably the strongest single weapon when you are within its very limited distance.

[tawdry flare]

Tbh IDC it in challenging but so many people bring bad builds to heroic cd you know how it is gonna end

[tawdry flare]

Coyote icon is shown below and you can have max 3 icon on your hud

[blissful rampart]

2 coyotes is sweet spot since can end up having 2 buffs (short and mid range) often. which is fine. 3rd mask is were its better to swap off.

[rich lotus]

Yeah I get all that - which is why the culture in raid queues in Div2 really upsets me. You basically either run hazpro/disrupt immunity and CC or full strikers DPS or you get kicked.

[tawdry flare]

If 3 people have same buff you will only see 1 icon

[tawdry flare]

Looks like it gonna create a new meta build again

[hazy steeple]

Iron Horse is very mechanics heavy, you need to be bringing what you need to be bringing.
you should try Dark Hours more, then just take something that shoots things well.

[forest forum]

I thought so, was wondering if different for CD. Thx!

[rich lotus]

I haven't done those two raids yet.

[hazy steeple]

How do you know what goes on in Raid queues if you haven't done one yet.

[tawdry flare]

You can run fi build negotiators hf a typical high end build as long as you deal good DMG it's fine but if people bring Rainbos and skill build man that is a problem

[hazy steeple]

continued: you can also look at the meta as a range of things, because there's more than one "meta" DPS setup.
e.g. negotiator's dilemna, standard red DPS, strikers. All are incredibly strong and all can easily carry Heroic missions.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah most teaching raids will ask if you can put on X build but really it doesn't matter, you are getting carried.

[rich lotus]

I literally just hit end-game 3 weeks ago and my entire focus has been these goals:

• Build a DPS set to appease the raid culture so I can actually accumulate exotics via Countdown
• Complete my Recal Library
• Collect pieces for a target gear set.

I've basically been neglecting the rest of the game to spam countdown to grind my "gear level" as fast as possible so I can enjoy the rest of the game with a build I actually want.

[tawdry flare]

You can bring bring All red 5.11 build or some weird build

[hazy steeple]

Play Challenging Countdown then and complete all 3 steps in 1 go.

and it even has near Heroic-tier rolls for gear, due to weird scaling.

[tawdry flare]

You can do the same thing in open world after getting your first good build and cycle between open world summit cd and heroic

[hazy steeple]

IIRC Azur said it's something to do with the amount of players possible to be in it.

[rich lotus]

I've gotten so many fully god rolled items in countdown and I am now at the state of usually being the highest DPS in my heroic countdown groups that I have no interest in dropping to challenging unless there is an actual mathematically superior reason that affects my progression.

[hazy steeple]

Countdown is about speed vs quality of loot.
but sure if you can regularly farm Heroic, go for it.

[vestal ibex]

Looks like you need a new goal. You got all the hunter mask yet?

[rich lotus]

I can - the only reason I get kicked now is because of people who kick purely because o low SHD level as I'm not even 200 yet. Those people are just dumb - they don't even check builds.

[rich lotus]

Not yet but they are on my list. I want the Spawn one.

[rich lotus]

Right now those goals are pretty much achieved - my current focus is building my "jack of all trades" build for when i do my own thing.

[hazy steeple]

Sometimes people are just like that, there's no point in complaining, just make a team over in #lfg-pc if you are really that bothered by it.

[tawdry flare]

How about completing exotic projects for liberty dch chatterbox and stuff

[hazy steeple]

the div2 group culture is so much better than other games I've played, even recently.
if you really want some toxcitity, try running Sorties in Warframe. Yeesh.

I miss Trials.

[rich lotus]

Considering your very pride ridden name I would hope you would understand the value of complaining about such cultural traits in the hopes of people waking up and realizing that oppressing others because of their choices is kind of how you try to initiate cultural change. 😛

Culture has problem. Verbalize problem. Let people react how they choose. Fin.

[hazy steeple]

Did you just compare people being mean to you in a videogame to me receiving death threats due to my orientation?

[rich lotus]

No, that's not what just happened. You took a mechanical example and contorted it to extremes.

All I did was outline how culture changes in a way I thought you would be able to relate to as a counter-point to "don't complain."

If you take offense, my apologies.

[vestal ibex]

So how bout them builds eh?

[tawdry flare]

5.11 always

No one saw that

[vestal ibex]

Yep some yummy meta builds.

[winged oar]

yeah that is how rpgs work

[urban latch]

Just randomly throwing out a general tip, dont build into status effects for the st elmos

[grizzled garnet]

isnt the shock not even the main reason why st elmos is good. its just like a bonus

[vestal ibex]

Pretty much. Shock is super short and when you do what he's talking about it'll nerf your build too peanuts.

[grizzled garnet]

i do enjoy the shock though since its helpful in controlling tough enemies like hunters and heavies but nothing i would build specifically into

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I only use Elmo for turret barrel in the incursion anymore because it has a lot of damage per mag and that's it. Never use it otherwise.

[flint wave]

it's an underrated form of "damage" talent tho

[grizzled garnet]

damage talent how?

[flint wave]

fully stopping the movement of enemies every 2-3 mags that also prevents them from shooting is very cool

[grizzled garnet]

eh. not something i would go out my way to use though when stuff like foam exists

or the gunner pulse

[flint wave]

it allows any dps player to be soft cc as a passive ability

[grizzled garnet]

anyway. its not like i dont endorse the use of st elmos. its a good weapon but just not the type of weapon that would be on a build purely for status/cc

[flint wave]

ofc

[rich lotus]

So the build I'm making is designed in layers for maximum versatility with minimal investment. What the core of my build boils down to is making sure that if I'm using a ninjabike backpack set I have a strong starting core. The screenshot is the core build. The link is my target main "generalist" build built up from the core. The rest of this message is explaining why I selected everything so other theory crafters can give meaningful advice that doesn't break half the reasons I chose these pieces all at once just for more DPS. Feedback is wanted though. I run a separate strikers for my raid queue and this would be swapped to with CC skills as needed.

The core of the gear set has these goals/features:

• 50% hazard protection base as general resists and launching point for builds that want an immunity.

• Slot versatility - non ninjabike core pieces should be movable to other slots. Thank you brand bonuses.

• Maximize amount of cores for maximum versatility. This core provides 6-cores in 3 pieces of gear and launches all builds with it at an above average 1.1m armor base.

• Core build is meant to be specialization agnostic.

• Brazos chest piece should always be HazPro/Crit Chance and the talent slot is used for recalibration so chest piece talent may be changed at any time based on preference/current build/mood. When Brazos is on another slot the attribute is hazard protection with the core as the recalibration so it can be recalibration swapped based on the build actively being used.

• Cavalier & Brazos pieces can easily be moved to a different slot with its attribute as hazard protection and core as recalibration for more build focused chest pieces.

My Generalist Build built on that base:

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwTgtMYAxgjGA2ayape1AuArN98lYBmNUiDFHPJSSGgFgrOc3COXmaacxPJk7cupTPXBJhQnkQDsYRgA45sWjCJIZ4FsBlpYsQiEPKQCuCC0ZMweu1h5g8PLHHwQkFjNHwZZhe00eYDxJVCA

What I highlight from this build:

• Disrupt & Pulse immune. The build actually targets disrupt immunity. Pulse is just a byproduct but I do plan to use this build in Heroic PVE and PVP, mostly the darkzone. Disrupt immunity is because I want the only reason I can't use my shield to be that it had its HP exhausted.

• 1.1m armor, above average survivability for DPS.

• Has a 5-core shield strength for firewall. 6 core if Kard Custom is in hand or I swap to the Technician specialization.

• Uses firewall spec to add damage amp for myself and allies to make up for focusing on resists and immunity. Could swap gunner for significantly enhanced survivability with the extra armor on kill.

• 60% reduction to all hazpro eligible status effect durations. (Just got this yesterday, and that 60% is quite nice in general)

• Mod slots can be used for DPS or be dropped for 39% protection for Elites on the fly. A recalibration of one item combined with using the mod slots lets the build slip in a third immunity if desired with almost zero investment as recalibration materials are pretty easy to com by as you only need one slot recal'd to get the third immunity if using 3 targeted mod slots.

• 15% armor on kill + 10(or 20%) heal over time from pistol kills when a in a pinch thanks to preservation.

• Instant use armor kit is much more valuable for my playstyle as I'm usually combining the shield + repair drone for maximum survivability.

The Playstyle I designed this build for:

Basically a tank. I enjoy using the shield to enable positioning changes and flanks and playing with forcing the NPC's to re-position by changing where I am, distributing grenades, etc. Think cattle dog herding. It's fun in Div2 despite the aggro mechanics being based pretty much entirely on who has the biggest DPS.

Over all though the main objective is to just be able to use whatever I want and feels right in the moment and to do so at an above average capability.

[flint wave]

I died at ninjabike

[rich lotus]

Most do. I don't care. If you see "ninjabike" and your response is "ninjabike bad" because it's not capable of meta-level stats offered by full 4 piece sets and proper backpack talents then there's not much feedback you can offer me. I already have a meta focused build this is for fun.

Feedback I'm mostly interested in are ways to do what I'm doing better.

[vestal ibex]

Well you've already forced your build into a corner right? Half of it is decided right?

[rich lotus]

Mostly by wanting immunity to disrupt. The ways to build for that without the ninjabike that I'm aware of all suck.

If there is a way I can get disrupt immunity without ninjabike and not have absolutely craptastic DPS I'd love to know it.

[urban latch]

just run technician and you have immunity to shock and disrupt

[vestal ibex]

I guess I don't understand the big push for disrupt immunity.

[urban latch]

Is this intended for countdown? Or something else?

[rich lotus]

But even just the core with a useless 4 piece set bonus and most of the weapon cores only leveled about 50% I'm one-magging Elites on heroic in freeroam which is where this build is going to be used mostly.

[vestal ibex]

Solo?

[rich lotus]

No. Only time this comes out in countdown is to be immune to the initial agents and provide CC. Second that's over the strikers DPS comes out.

Countdown is too farm to justify using fun builds.

[urban latch]

so where is this build going to be used?

[flint wave]

anyone know what % you resist disrupt at

[rich lotus]

Already stated, mostly freeroam heroic.

[flint wave]

You can resist it below 100%

[rich lotus]

97.5% is required for immunity.

I don't want reduced effect, I want immunity because I don't want my shield to be forcibly lowered.

[vestal ibex]

I mean if this is a solo heroic build have at it, pretty much anything is usable by 1 mag elites standards.

[rich lotus]

The whole point is being able to face tank something while CC'ing the crap out of it.

[urban latch]

where are you being disrupted in freeroam?

[rich lotus]

I count missions as part of freeroam.

[flint wave]

mf got ptsd from black tusk special ammo

[rich lotus]

Special ammo heroic modifier is another reason yes.

[vestal ibex]

Pistolero?

[rich lotus]

When I finish my build and all it's DPS cores are maxed? Probably yeah.

Plan is to play heroic freeroam with all modifiers enabled.

Once I have this set maxed I'll probably never queue for a pug again unless it's with friends.

And when I do, like I said just swap between it and strikers. I just find pure DPS builds woefully boring.

If there would be a question though I guess it would be - what other ways can I get permanant disrupt immunity that still have meta-level DPS performance?

and do those methods do more damage than what I've built here.

Factoring in the use of the damage amps from Firewall.

[astral kraken]

HE! Had the build ready to go, waiting. It's something like 32M for a headshot and 49M with busy bee stacks.

[astral kraken]

To get meta DPS you need a meta DPS build. If you go disrupt immunity you might as well play support and debuff things.

[rich lotus]

Are those marksman build numbers or something else? Not familiar with those acronyms.

[astral kraken]

Regulus headhunter (it's in the spreadsheet)

[urban latch]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtAbGAMYIz1kmLltQLhATkmALPGAMxjAAcqV6aG+4hUCpc0N1H0GxjBR7A6hgQJCCWMEFS6uKLHGdFtbMCVLhESlM7DoAdhRwja2nroI9lcqT24aWVduhA

[rich lotus]

Aye - which is why I was asking the channel earlier this morning if there were charts of what the meta DPS builds do so I can compare my support builds to see how far they are behind. You know, cuz I want to know. lol

[flint wave]

between the brand bonuses and talents this looks way better for hazard related things

Ideally no hollowman mask but regular yaahl pieces way too hard to get

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well make sure to checkout the HF version as it's actually more per shot in long engagements.

[astral kraken]

Will do!

[rich lotus]

Ty, I had been looking at Yaahl but I've been hard pressed to get anything except the hollowman and since you can't target the brand it's not very accessible.

[vestal ibex]

Clan vendor sells it from time to time. Buy a ton and decon it.

[rich lotus]

I can get system corruption from both the Dark Zone and legacy crates.

[rich lotus]

I still need to unlock that. Second I hit 40 I started working on getting a proper gear so I could farm stuff via countdown at will.

There's actually a lot of the game I've been neglecting tbh since I have a habit of powerleveling character power first lol.

[vestal ibex]

I got the feeling there is a lot you've got to still learn about the game.

[rich lotus]

Absolutely, yes.

[frail zealot]

what is the current go to meta DPS build? i havent played in a while

[vestal ibex]

You can check out the pinned messages to find the spreadsheet. You'll go to the build hub and click the link to the right of the build for an easy to read build guide.

Strikers, negotiators dilemma, standard high-end red, would be your top three.

[sullen sun]

True Patriot worth making a build for?

[sacred raven]

yea

[sacred raven]

full red striker

[urban latch]

It really isn't outside super niche situations

[rich lotus]

Only issue I have with Strikers is needing to build stacks with a shotgun so if you aren't up close and personal it can take a minute before you ramp up... but the 200% damage bonus when you do is pretty insane on a full red build.

[vestal ibex]

Eh don't wear the chest and just use the ouro or a famas.

[astral kraken]

Striker chest only makes sense in a few areas. Run obliterate Ceska instead.

[sullen sun]

Current setup

[astral kraken]

what's chd? bet it's low

[sullen sun]

With the M4, 103

[astral kraken]

yea that's borderline minimum

reason ceska/coyote's is good is it makes up for that

[sullen sun]

Damn ok I never realized how much that makes up

With Elmo it’s 123

[astral kraken]

52% or 58% depending on if you want a chc mod vs a chd mod

i prefer 58% but most people do 52%

[vestal ibex]

Yeah kinda depends on the content you are playing, I bet at times even when running from engagement to engagement your stacks fall off so quickly it's hard to keep that damage up with the striker chest. This is why you see people suggest a setup like Kestrel put up.

I would also stop dropping resources into expertise on your armor items. it doesn't give you the armor you might think it does.

[astral kraken]

Listen Souless that was from a dark time

An ignorant time

I lowkey wanna optimize up another coyote's so people stop telling me lol

[vestal ibex]

lol that wasn't aimed at you.

[rich lotus]

Still trying to get a Ouroboros** but I got extremely lucky and pulled a god-rolled Burn Out. But none of the equipment I have yet other than Strikers is capable of one-magging elites on heroic still and with my striker build St Elmo is actually out performing the Burn Out due to the larger magazine. My strikers build is good and pure red but I still need to get better innate attributes on the drops for a truely optimized build.

[astral kraken]

One of these days I wanna get a fully set to 20 and then uninstall the game 😂

That's when I know I'm done. Game complete.

[sullen sun]

I was told to change it from a former clan I was in when doing Paradise Lost.

[vestal ibex]

I gotta let you know something about strikers tho. I almost never use the set unless I'm doing DH raids, legendary, incursion, or countdown. This is really common too, many people only use it on a small part of content.

[vestal ibex]

Striker chest is super good for the incursion.

[rich lotus]

Yeah I'm using it purely for countdowns and to finish my initial "multi purpose" set and enable me to grind for specific things.

[astral kraken]

@sullen sun If you really wanna run chest you can try something like this. But again it's rare like Souless said. For me personally I only use the chest on incursion and countdown and that's it. And even on incursion the first two stages are not good for the chest.

[rich lotus]

So as a result I use lefty to build stacks

Actually running Fox's and Contractors with my strikers.

[sullen sun]

That’s what I was told to do..

[rich lotus]

Same - to get the multiplicative damage additives.

[vestal ibex]

Chest is good for tanker all the way to love birds.

[sullen sun]

Negotiators look ok?

[astral kraken]

I find I lose stacks too quickly at tanker unless I'm floating and helping out other corners. But if the team is good and have their area locked down the stacks drop too fast.

[rich lotus]

I hate strikers because of this if I'm being honest. But if you don't have it and the team is a dud.... ugh.

[sullen sun]

Same..pain in the ass

[urban latch]

That's considerably more than I use it lol

[rich lotus]

In general I hate all the DPS trigger-based functions which is why I like support builds. The problem is having a support build that DPS snobs will let you play. lol

[sullen sun]

What’s your go to dps set Rauce?

[vestal ibex]

It's purple...

[urban latch]

Foxes and contractors on strikers, especially both, is just mathematically less dps

[hexed steppe]

I'm in the same boat, I dislike stack builds.
Nego on the other hand is a damage multiplier. Any marked targets take crit damage.
Strikers is like the highest single target dps
Nego is the highest mutitarget dps.
Nego is all I use for dps tbh

[sullen sun]

Purple?

[vestal ibex]

I typed it correctly.

[sullen sun]

Purple gear?

[vestal ibex]

lol

[sullen sun]

Wha?

[hexed steppe]

Need to get this in the spreadsheet. New meta

[rich lotus]

It still blows my mind that this community recognizes builds purely by their icon - and also disappoints me because it means being analyze builds at a cursory overview in most cases.

[vestal ibex]

That's all you need. Crit based brands mean CHC and CHD same for whatever brand types you see.

[urban latch]

It really depends on what I'm doing. My casual/general setup is nego. If I want to try harder and go faster then regulus HH, with high end or HF.

Then outside that it just really depends on the situation. I mostly raid and have builds setup specifically for each boss. For the incursion I got a character setup specifically for incursions and I've narrowed it down to like 7 different (4 main ones) striker variations

[sullen sun]

Thoughts on the Negotiator build I shared?

[urban latch]

It comes with experience, eventually the symbol of the gear/brand set and how many of each is basically all you need to see to be able to tell what the build is doing, assuming the build makes sense.

[rich lotus]

Yeah, it works great at a glance what you know what on earth is going on lol. But like all games the vets forget a lot new players don't have that ability yet lol. Took 5 people recommending me builds to get something more than a screenshot and "run that" when I started.

[urban latch]

Swap foxes for ceska, even better if it's the chest since standard spotter and coyotes will be an improvement

[flint wave]

ceska on negotiators you gotta be out of ur mind

crit chance overload

[urban latch]

I personally don't like the ND backpack over a backpack with vigilance, but that's ultimately down to preference

[hexed steppe]

For support in something like countdown foam eclipse protocol is highly desirable.
Eclipse also starts out with 30% hazpro which you've mentioned was something you were looking into a couple times.

Also future initiative buffing/healing is desirable in pretty much any part of the game

[flint wave]

[urban latch]

Not with an AR with flatline

And no coyotes

[flint wave]

Oh no coyotes

[sullen sun]

So Strained?

[flint wave]

wasted slot

[urban latch]

Strained is good, but flatline is also one of the best options.

[flint wave]

Does fast hands work off negotiator mark crits?

[astral kraken]

CHD x DTOOC x DTA

With Ceska/Coyotes: (1+1.83) x 1 x 1 = 1.83
With Fox's/Contractors: (1+1.37) x (1+0.08) x (1+0.08) = 1.59

And I'm not sure you can reach the CHC cap with fox's/contractor's?

[rich lotus]

Yeah right now since I don't have the System Corruption pieces I'm using eclipse in its place - the 4 piece set bonus is totally useless but I did get disrupt immunity combining it with cavaliers and and the foam for the agents in countdown.

[flint wave]

cuz I never notice

[astral kraken]

Not without giving up even more CHD at least.

[urban latch]

The spread hits don't count

[flint wave]

k

[hexed steppe]

I use this in countdown. Its 100% hazpro.
The 4pc spreads status on kill. Even if your teamate gets the kill. And with the hazpro hunter disrupts or any other status doesnt touch it.

[urban latch]

Do you have technician unlocked?

[hexed steppe]

The system stuff isnt good tbh

[rich lotus]

I was actually wondering about whether that on kill was for just me or everyone - thank you for that tidbit.

[rich lotus]

Yes, it's the only one I have maxed and my favorite. I'm in the process of leveling firewall now and gunner next since those two are the others that compliment my "gun and board" playstyle the best.

[sullen sun]

So got Coyotes and Ceska chest with obl..but that means no bag with vig

[urban latch]

right, basically the decision is between coyotes and ideally a grupo backpack with vigilance

[hexed steppe]

On Nego?

[sullen sun]

So would running gunner benefit me more?

[urban latch]

it comes down to do you want to do more damage to single tagets and the one your shooting at, or more damage overall when you have 3 targets marked. When you have 2 targets marked the difference is effectively split

[sullen sun]

Also is scanner pulse added dmg with flatline+laser?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah the strength is the transfer. Single target need should just be using striker.
Nego bag pretty essential

[urban latch]

scanner pulse is +15% amp when you have overcharge, otherwise its only visual with no added damage

[sullen sun]

The more you know

[urban latch]

outside things where your specifically using nego because of the damage you want to transfer, ie raid bosses, I prefer to not use the ND backpack

[sullen sun]

But doesn’t Coyotes stack anyway if you’re in a group? That’s just more dmg no?

[hexed steppe]

Striker is a better fit for single target scenario is my point

Either way nego is putting in work, but nego also draws a lot of aggro. I just dont see vigilance not getting knocked out every so often

[sullen sun]

Maybe it comes down to play style

[hexed steppe]

So with vigilance bag is that including coyote I'm guessing and nego chest

[urban latch]

in practice your going to always have a mix of 1, 2, and 3 targets marked. not using the backpack still allows you to transfer plently of dmaage and clear ads that are out of your line of sight, which is really where nego gains its advantage. Having the higher single target version allows you to prioritize things like chungas and named enemies, and let the shared damage take out lower health enemies, or just helps you clean up the final remaining enemy quicker

[hexed steppe]

What's the chest

[urban latch]

can be anything from obliterate, spotter, GC, unbreakable, etc

[astral kraken]

Hmm if I'm running nego it's with focus and shield peeking on leg... and there it's vig bp so I can focus on specific enemies.

[sullen sun]

Perfect spotter ok?

[hexed steppe]

So its maxing on twd/amps. Fair
It looked like the suggestion was coyote/vigilance but ig you meant coyote or vigilance then?

[urban latch]

the difference between perfect spotter and another brandset with regular spotter is basically a wash, but in a situation where your going coyotes + 1 brandset, then ceska for sure

[sullen sun]

Your knowledge is appreciated

[flint wave]

shi the 5% extra amp isn't that much better?

[sullen sun]

Gunner or tech or is that down to preference?

[urban latch]

preference

I think technication is really underrated on dps builds personally, its honestly the one I use the most and default to unless im using another one for a specific reason

[flint wave]

on pulse amp build it's gotta be tech

[sullen sun]

Tbh I get killed by more tech builds in DZ than anything

[rich lotus]

So cavalier for sharing hazard protection - if I understand the description properly it's basically 10 seconds of team hazard immunity - 10 seconds no team immunity - cycling back and forth - is that right?

Also curious if the "Perfectly Efficient" talent works with armor kits from gear sets like system corruption? Does it boost it from 20%/50% to 40%/100%?

The current tinker causing me to pose that question: https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtAbGAMYIw0bZTUugLmMVDxwGZ1VxjkMAWATjHAPkTjhzLTQxpQVZ-YqgqwopNr3QYiYerG6i54sfIyKey+UswqYalUA

[bronze hound]

It doesn't work with system corruption

[rich lotus]

Awesome thank you for that.

[bronze hound]

It's 10 seconds of shared however much hazpro you have

[rich lotus]

That counts hazpro from the build and hazpro from the charing buff?

[bronze hound]

If you have 70% hazpro with cavalier and the teammate has 30 then when the buff is active they have 100 and you still have 70

[flint wave]

yeah that talent sounds useless as hell in 99.9% of content

[rich lotus]

Yeah that's why I'm asking - seems weird if the only team benefit is maybe potentially getting the cycle to pop off when there just happens to be something that needs to be popped off but most of the time just missing the mark.

The last question though was if you share the hazard from charging and your actual hazard combined - which I'm realizing is just skill damage protection and not hazard protection on the charging effect. So the question is actually based on faulty understanding.

[rich lotus]

Curious what people think of this... Triple immunity to Disrupt, Pulse & Explosions. Kind of a "Play it like any other game that isn't also an RPG" build. https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/KwJgtAbGAMYIxnLZNUvTAXMYb77gGYMUk9lMJDExqF6AWE8l6TATjAA5UFn-ymBlCaQaAiVmK1erOSUyEA7GAbcVuELEJQlnBSCUo4cKHHZn2K8z3P7BIBnVyT0mJZldYv0IA

[urban latch]

I mean... its not good...

[rich lotus]

In what way is it not good other than not being dps?

[urban latch]

if you just run technition and place a skill near you, you'll be immune from emp and shock. Theres no pulse in PVE, thats a PVP thing

Your investing a ton into things that just dont matter

[rich lotus]

well pulse immunity is a byproduct of system shock and any spec.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah this is def a 99%-1% thing you are shooting for.

Well you are aiming at the 1% tho.

[rich lotus]

yeah kinda - I may have gotten butthurt after 2 hours of a legendary mission and a team with no EMP resist being choked by the modified SHD targetting EMP's.

[vestal ibex]

I mean you are new to the game, randoms and legendary are usually not a fun affair.

[rich lotus]

That is true. Even with "randoms who you friend"

Only legendaries I've successfully completed have been with my clan and they are so far ahead of me in the gear game it's not even funny. Even when I got my strikers DPS hard-past the 10 million mark it still feels like I'm getting carried.

[vestal ibex]

lol I try no to add people anymore. I've had almost 500 on my list before and yeah would rather not ever again.

[rich lotus]

Yeah at some point I'll be like that but still building a network in this game.

Since I play at odd hours.

Ultimately I really just want a disrupt immune support build I don't need to feel guilty for playing nomatter the difficulty that I can just slot into most any team without issue and adjust what active skills there are without thinking too much about it. Jack of all trades master of none kind of stuff is what I enjoy... and I have a major nerd-on for the Mad Bomber perk which breaks a lot of the 4 piece set bonuses from really being great.

[urban latch]

are you aware of the faraday perk from technician?

[rich lotus]

I am and did read that - sorry lot of stuff going on around me as well. That doesn't work reliably for me. My skills still get disrupted and you can't respond to disruption with it.

I don't like building around "I know disruption mechanic X is coming at Y location let me drop my turret when I get to Z"

and staying chained to a 5m range of a stationary deployable when your playstyle is to run around with a shield is meh

[astral kraken]

This is a "you" problem. Most of the legendaries I do are random matchmaked and yes I need work harder on some of them. One of the fun things about matchmaking with randoms is having to adjust your build based on what the team is able to do. Sometimes that's not much... but working with what you've got is the fun part. Legendary with a strong/experienced team feels like heroic.

For example if two people are running AFK skill builds (very common and annoying) then you can communicate to them to deploy skills after you overcharge. And you can run something with BTSU.

Just think of it as an added challenge once you learn the spawns and tendencies of each legendary stage.

[grizzled wind]

why would you need disrupt immunity in legendary

just shoot them

[astral kraken]

Summit maybe?

I forget if Summit has those disruption thingies

[rich lotus]

That's actually another piece of content I do with my clan yeah.

[grizzled wind]

oh the emp spin thingies?

[astral kraken]

But yea I can't think of a case for leg missions where you want disrupt immunity

[rich lotus]

Being a front line face tank and getting spanked by disrupt sucks hard.

[grizzled wind]

dont face tank legendary

[rich lotus]

I don't want disrupt for legendary - I want disrupt because I hate being disrupted.

[astral kraken]

Lesson: don't face tank 😂

I do have a regen tank for certain stages when I know the team won't be able to do it though.

[patent fossil]

is the disrupt being caused by you having the 'special ammo' directive active? Because that gives black/white tusk disrupt ammo.

[rich lotus]

and I'm just going to call it like it is right here - EVERYONE has moments where they choose to finish the enemy off and tank the damage before skiddaddling back to cover. lol

[grizzled wind]

no couse that kills you in legendary 😂

[astral kraken]

skill issue

[rich lotus]

No, I actually have that directive off. I'm only running fog and .. cant remember the other actually.

[silver forge]

is mp7 good for negotiator build? im only using it because its 514 score but im wondering if its a good permanent choice

[rich lotus]

You're acting like I'm not specifically talking about using the shield to do so - and only for moments at a time when it comes to legendary.

[astral kraken]

Nothing is permanent pre level 40

[tulip granite]

do i need perfect rolls to get 150% headshot dmg?

including 20 from watch

[astral kraken]

Every piece of gear you have pre-40 will get trashed post-40

[grizzled wind]

depends on build/weapon

some builds can get alot more

[tulip granite]

1886 chainkill

[astral kraken]

my 3pc hotshot has 285% hsd so no

[tulip granite]

im tip of the separ

[astral kraken]

i can get even more but i need 100% stability, so it goes even higher

[hexed steppe]

go high end if using rifle headshot build

tip of the spear is dead for those type of builds now

[grizzled wind]

ye high end is prob better overall

[tulip granite]

whats high end

[grizzled wind]

also sneek in a regulus

high end gear is brand sets

[hexed steppe]

yellow gear, brand sets

[tulip granite]

oh i thought it was a set name or somethign

[astral kraken]

30 (hotshot) + 15 (prov) + (10 x 6) + (10 x 3) = 135

that's my head math just calculating from gear and excluding your weapon

i could be off tho

[grizzled wind]

so something like this

weapons can vary

[hexed steppe]

kestrel, you use high end for pistol still right? it can brobably be adapted a bit for rifle. are you in a position to post

[tulip granite]

dont havt that holster or pistol never done ironhorse

[astral kraken]

you mean the d50 hh build?

[grizzled wind]

@tulip granite

[hexed steppe]

probably about what cc posted iirc

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[tulip granite]

whats the rule on youtube build links?

[grizzled wind]

the holster is a normal mission project

[astral kraken]

i'm a regulus boi now 😂

[grizzled wind]

its alot of fun

[astral kraken]

#td2-build-advice message

that's from my recent tests for the d50

#td2-build-advice message

and that's the build i ended up going with

[silver forge]

is technician the best general spec because i see a lot of builds that either recommend or need it

[grizzled wind]

the spec is just preference for solo

for grp its varies

[hexed steppe]

its a good spec. it gives a free yellow core which is handy for shield, faraday perk

[astral kraken]

yea i think a lot of ppl pick it because it's useful everywhere

[grizzled wind]

im mostly on gunner to have some armor heal

[hexed steppe]

flatline/spotter/hearbreaker kinda require tech spec

[tulip granite]

so what is the rule for build links from a youtube video?

[grizzled wind]

i just know "no self promo""

[hexed steppe]

im sure they can be posted as long as its not self promotion... but you will be ribbed for referencing youtube builds

[astral kraken]

ribbs zashk

[tulip granite]

i know its not me but how can i prove its not?

[hexed steppe]

youtube = clickbait for the most part

[astral kraken]

you could just post a screenshot of the build

[grizzled wind]

yea i dont like yt build vids

[astral kraken]

videos are a bad medium to share builds anyway

when a simple screenshot will do

[tulip granite]

screenshot is abasmal for builds

[hexed steppe]

if you screengrab the build overlay, most will know exactly what they are looking at

[tulip granite]

9 items with all different rolls and mods and all that can not be shown in a ss

[grizzled wind]

did you check the google doc

[tulip granite]

what doc

[grizzled wind]

pins

[tulip granite]

i dont do well with anything that is not visual

[grizzled wind]

the build you want to look at is listed as "reglulus headhunter"

[astral kraken]

bro. just post a screenshot and say "headshot damage and weapon handling for attributes. we can see which cores and we can see which talents.

[tulip granite]

what i mean buy that is if you say you need x with x and xx needs x i hate that i need to see it

[astral kraken]

the only thing we don't see is the attributes but that can easily be inferred. we don't need to know what the rolls are.

[grizzled wind]

and the google doc has it explained

[rich lotus]

Yeah this community isn't tolerant of people who don't have the iconography memorized to second nature yet.

and I mean Div2 as a whole.

[tulip granite]

there is no point in ss as someone just said the build im using is bad now

[astral kraken]

uh, no? if you're asking for build advice then the people giving you build advice will know those things

and you should not take build advice from someone who doesn't

[tulip granite]

if everyone knew everything why would there be a ch for build advice

[grizzled wind]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=a7f5c11a-6dfd-226c-836b-18e272395d1c&noteKey=44191b2cdedaa56a2ada9a1d98cefe71&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2Fa7f5c11a-6dfd-226c-836b-18e272395d1c%2F44191b2cdedaa56a2ada9a1d98cefe71&title=Regulus%2BHeadhunter%2B%2B%2528TU19%2529 here thats the headhunter build from the doc

[tulip granite]

has someone made a vid of it?

[grizzled wind]

diff weapons can work esp solo or random stuff

[grizzled wind]

prob 100 diff ytber all with diff opinions and click bait

[astral kraken]

what additional information do you need to know?

it's all in there

[rich lotus]

What on earth does that have to do with tolerating new players not being able to understand iconography? When people drop those builds to a newer player who still doesn't have the iconography memorized they basically need to decrypt the talents and brands and pieces.

[astral kraken]

Because no one was intolerant of new players not understanding iconography?

[rich lotus]

I just don't understand why people send Screenshots when there is a friggin build tool.

[hexed steppe]

screenshots are the easiest way to get the advice neded. there are many here that will be telling you what the optimal specs without you even giving info on rolls. this channel is here for people that know to help people that dont... many bend over backwards to try and explain something

[rich lotus]

Look how people responded - "you can see it all there" - yes you can, if you know the iconography.

[tulip granite]

not for me its not

[hexed steppe]

it takes literally 1 second to grab a snip and paste it into the window

[tulip granite]

taking a SS of a build is like taking a ss of a sound and posting it

for me i dont understand it

[grizzled wind]

i posted a link too

but you dont seem to care

[astral kraken]

He asked if he can post a YT video of a build. We're saying post a screenshot. The receiver of said YT video is someone who can read the iconography so instead of risking the whole don't self promote thing... we say just post a screenshot.

[grizzled wind]

go to yt and type in "division 2 headhunter" you will find 100 variations

some with nonsense, some are good

[tulip granite]

well this has HH so this must be one of the 100 and you said it was bad

you as in someone here

[astral kraken]

You do realize this channel has existed for years with this format and has been helping people the whole time. If you have a specific question... ask your question... don't expect the format to change b/c you have some weird hang up about posting screenshots.

[tulip granite]

i just said there is no point in posting a SS someone here said it was no good now

[astral kraken]

Do you have a build question or not?

[tulip granite]

i dont know the question i need to ask to get the answer to the questiion i dont know

[grizzled wind]

[astral kraken]

lol

So if you don't have a build question I'm not sure how this channel can help. You posting a YT video isn't going to change that.

[tulip granite]

why would i post a video?

[hexed steppe]

so ill just put something out here real quick. there is a spreadsheet with all these builds pinned. there is a link for a detailed visual and textual breakdown of each. in the same spreadsheet there is also gear , attribute, weapons, talents tabs that break each item down into usable information.
there is also pinned the build tool just referenced above that can help you understand the iconography associated with builds... if you were on your own with no reference you would only have whats in game and probably wouldnt know half the shit existed... its all here, its kindof a do for self type of situation when it comes to learning this stuff. if you value the info, learn it, if you don value then have someone spoon feed it

[tulip granite]

remember in school they talked about how different people learn in different ways?

[grizzled wind]

🚫 🥄

[grizzled wind]

i remember reading in school not learning by watching vids

[hexed steppe]

i dont ever mind helping anyone but youll need to interact with usable information. in this case a screenshot conveys all the relevant information immediatly without having to decode the way someone is explaining something

[astral kraken]

At the very least we need to know what you're trying to figure out.

[tulip granite]

im sure the ways of how people learn was talked about before video existed

well my first question was gettin 150% headshot dmg and if i needed perfect rolls with watch giving 20%

then i said about tip of the spear then someone said that build is no good

[grizzled wind]

and then you got pointed to good headhunter build

1st in ss, then in link to a guide

[hexed steppe]

that was me. tip of the spear was reworked to not give weapon damage recently. if you were referencing an old video , it would be dated.. it used to be hot shit pre-nerf

[tulip granite]

have you ever seen last epoch build website or poe or grim dawn?

they have a interactive build system as if you where ingame

[astral kraken]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[tulip granite]

a build system from a site not a exe i dont lake the exe of build

poe im sure had both not played it in years

[grizzled wind]

you know why

couse someone bothered to make one

[urban latch]

That's largely going to depend on the weapon your using. Pistols and MMRs have over 100% base hsd%, but other guns have around 50%. It's generally very easy to reach 150% with pistols and MMRs, but if you want 150% on a shotgun it can be tight. So a screenshot will give us enough info to let you know where you stand

[urban latch]

So if your not running a scope (which I don't think you can with the 1886?) Your going to be very tight on hsd and would likely need 1p providence to reach 150% hsd

[tulip granite]

yeah cant with a 86

[urban latch]

If you swap the 4p tips to 4p hotshot you'll have it no problem

[tulip granite]

is p a brand or item name?

or set

[grizzled wind]

also providence backpack has hds

[urban latch]

Providence has the symbol that looks like an anchor

[grizzled wind]

you can buy a good "gift" at countdown vendor

roll hsd onto in and done

[tulip granite]

is there a build that is hh chainkill and 1886 as i like its feel

always loved leaver action rifles

[grizzled wind]

the link i posted has the high end setup

and im sure for heroic it works rly good with multiple gun choices

even a m1a should have high enough dmg

so the rifle you want to use should ofc work

[astral kraken]

This gets you to 185% with max rolls: https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsE+dvRDlwFwCYCcYAsNjICsAHCmUoqjurvsqBeUyFaXuAY1+Vdu7M0GUcANlochktMADMMsPOBKpKVN3VqVFNZvUJdUoA