td2-build-advice

[urban latch]

If you run countdown on challenging and set your targeted loot to ARs (or whatever else you want to farm) you'll get a ton of options very quickly

[trim lagoon]

so which is the best AR for now to grind for....

[urban latch]

Ideally your looking for something with damage to targets out of cover and a good talent like strained, fast hands, or optimist.

Have you figured out the recalibration library/station yet?

[trim lagoon]

ya but idk what to do with it

[urban latch]

Give this a look. Basically your going to get a ton of items that have high rolls, but are otherwise junk. You'll donate those items to the library, which let's you reroll those into other items.

https://youtu.be/ydsADciKSME?si=279ujU0OAbHtTeUz

[trim lagoon]

ok got it
thx mate

[thin patrol]

It depends if you want Meta weapon like Famas or a weapon that you like. I myself like sig 556 and Fal.

[fickle light]

We'll always draw people towards the meta stuff, this is build advice. If you want something else, use it. As long as it has a decent talent and Dttooc its fine, but there is always gonna be the Meta.

Theres nothing wrong with using stuff outside the meta, and nothing wrong with using the meta.

[glossy scarab]

its a good idea to experiment with your own buildmaking with unusual stuff. helps you learn what works, and what just looks like it will work

[forest forum]

I noticed building up expertise lvl on gear makes all the difference 💯

[glossy scarab]

weapons mostly

but if you have the materials to upgrade armor pieces then go to town

[fickle light]

I mean... doesnt really do much. Maybe its because my stuff is already pretty much good, i'm not feeling much of an increase from expertise levels on weapons.

Either way it is a decent buff, but far from the first thing you should work on as a new player.

[fallen comet]

Imo upgrading armor is kinda pointless, only go for it if you have nothing else to spend mats on

(Pve wise)

[hazy steeple]

re: armour for PvE. Do not upgrade expertise on them unless you idk, lost a bet or something.
the increase is so comically low that it'd be more effective if you duct-taped bricks to your backpack for extra padding.

[glossy scarab]

did you just send me to time out?!

[forest forum]

I just knocked out rogue agents in heroic while two dropped and 3rd was hiding. I was bringing two back to life while getting shot at by rogue agents and wasn't even close to dead since i upgraded my shield and drone.

[hazy steeple]

@glossy scarab Yes, go to your room for suggestion Expertising armour pieces.

It's best to think of Expertise on guns as a kind of "at beyond end game" kinda level.
Once the rest of your build is pretty much flawless, then put some effort into the guns that you really love. Otherwise you'll end up putting it on stuff you don't need.

[glossy scarab]

it wasnt a real suggestion. it was a facicious comment about having unlimited mats

[forest forum]

I upgraded my guns

I do countdown back to back so that really helps with mats, definitely recommend it.

[hazy steeple]

You can remove the "first" part there. No need to do armour, it does basically nothing in PvE.
as for PvP you'd have to ask one of the DZ gremlins.

[forest forum]

I definitely don't see anything wrong with suggestions. Thought that this what the groups for.

Made a difference to me

[hazy steeple]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with suggestions, but making sure the right info is being put out is rather important in div2, with how math heavy it is.
Otherwise you get the situation like when a certain youtuber started trying to push Striker Pesti as a "god meta build".

in the same video they recommended 100% CHC.

[glossy scarab]

or spec into status effects for oxi

[hazy steeple]

Plus JD and I are joking with each other, we've been around long enough for that :p

[glossy scarab]

also i needed a time out anyway

[shy willow]

It pains me when I see people spec into status effects on pesti

[forest forum]

Well i got nothing to do with the video or the youtuber. And good. Don't like nobody picking on nobody so that makes me happy. 😁

[hazy steeple]

Don't worry, I'm the nice mod. It's Aspect you gotta watch out for. He's the nicest person i know, I'm not being held hostage.

[forest forum]

Can't be too scary than what I dealt with growing up. Nobody can break me if I'm already broken lol.

[fickle light]

I leave for work and get this?

I mean its true but sheesh.

[hexed steppe]

Definitly dont ping... 🍻

[forest forum]

Lol

[grizzled garnet]

this implies that theres an un-nice mod 0.0

[glossy scarab]

alert. putting mods on a pedestal

[bronze hound]

Youll find your answer in the place with eyes that don't cross, teeth that don't floss, and trees with no moss

[glossy scarab]

and a job with no boss? i wanna go to that place

[bronze hound]

a meme with no loss

.:|:;

[tawdry flare]

A dev with no work

[glossy scarab]

youve disrupted the rhyme

[tawdry flare]

I saw dev complementing me where is that @bronze hound

[hazy steeple]

I've said it before, the joke is fine, but using the nickname "dev" is borderlining it.

[bronze hound]

It's gotten people to stop asking

[versed summit]

Trying to do some calculations, and hoping to avoid going into a rabbit hole. Does anyone know what the average reload time on a Famas with Fast Hands is?

[patent fossil]

probably 1s, I think that's the minimum you can get to without unwavering

[versed summit]

Jeez didn't think it'd be that low, I forgot to specify, but is that assuming extended mag?

[patent fossil]

yeah, and max crit chance, and a half-decent accuracy

[tawdry flare]

Nope you can go below 1s

[patent fossil]

As far as I'm aware 1s is a hard cap imposed by the game, which for some reason doesn't apply to unwavering. That's according to the build experts here, unless I'm remembering wrong.

[tawdry flare]

Raucey shared me an img of an vector with 0.9s reload also why does unwavering works for 0.1s reload if we have a hard cap

[patent fossil]

'for some reason'

[versed summit]

tbf he did address that

[magic pilot]

I believe fast hands caps at 1s

[patent fossil]

could be that it's a fast hands specific cap rather than everything-except-unwavering, that would make more sense

[silver forge]

are some specializations better than others or are they all pretty well rounded

[urban latch]

Reload speed doesn't cap at 1 second. That I think got started by eph for those who remember him, but reloads can go faster than that. With all the handling we have now you can have a base reload (no unwavering or fast hands) under 1 second which is what Game was talking about

But 1 second is a fair enough assumption for an AR reload as with fast hands, but it's never going to be a set/exact reload speed

[magic pilot]

Gotchaaa

I always thought it capped out

[astral kraken]

Is the tick rate of D2 servers known?

[urban latch]

I'm not sure

[merry stone]

not sure but its low for sure, its why lag is big.

its probably 10hz or something, could be lower as well

[violet wyvern]

The sweet mayhem of a fast rpm iron lung bakes all enemies whether it be the dark zone or conflict or any pve in general this build shreds and burns.

Now it ain't perfect but it's enjoyable and it will kill

[cerulean smelt]

eh, not the choice i'd go with it, but i don't pvp so maybe it works XD

not sure the build this one guy did for Iron Lung but it was with Ninja Bike Kneepads and looked like he was keeping that meter full to burn his enemies. just looked goofy Vaulting North then back South or cover to cover between 2 covers

[merry stone]

its underrated its a pretty solid lmg its main flaw is its a lmg 😅

[violet wyvern]

No worries mate umbra increases fire rate so I chew through 85 rounds fast enough to burn enemies before they can get their shit together

You do not want to be on the receiving end of this build from a distance it brutally bully's armor

[cerulean smelt]

i had fun with an oxi build once in Conflict i think? XD

[grizzled garnet]

aside from the random yellow substat on my chest what else can i do to improve?

also what are some good complementary/individually good named weapons/armor i should keep an eye out for

[astral kraken]

open the field proficiency cache

that's about it 😄 looks perfect

(or on its way to perfect)

that's kard custom right?

[grizzled garnet]

what would make it perfect though aside from the random yellow?

oui

[astral kraken]

nothing dude the build is solid

even went with a lefty

[grizzled garnet]

i also got a d50 with finisher if thats better than the kard custom

[astral kraken]

so you might be different but no matter what talent i run on the pistol i never remember to use it lol

kard custom has a nice bonus of +1 skill tier when you have it out

so a trick is to pull out pistol, drop revive hive on teammate, and pick up revive hive after

since it'll be a +1 skill tier revive hive

[grizzled garnet]

hmmm interesting

whats an easy way to farm optimization materials?

is it shd scav levels then crafting the materials?

[astral kraken]

the one thing you'll probably want to tweak, based on what you're doing, is the specialization

for example if you go firewall you can run whatever that shield is called and get a dps boost from that at close range

or if you go technician it'll make your shield stronger

on legendary it's nice running demo spec b/c you can ignore explosions (60sec cooldown i think)

[grizzled garnet]

i was using gunner since the armor on kill and because i need to level it so im just running through countdown farming gear and gunner levels

[astral kraken]

yup gunner is great. the period reload speed buff is nice too.

[astral kraken]

at like 1.5-2k SHD running wony again starts to get really good. running around certain places like solar farm daily.

take all 4 characters through wony (2-4 hours per run) and every time one character levels up scavenging, they all do. so you get 4x the scavenging.

[grizzled garnet]

if i delete a character then run though wony will i get 200 scav shd levels (assuming 1k shd level)

[astral kraken]

you betcha

[grizzled garnet]

ok so its still the same

im at 518 and will try get like 25 per day so i wont be bored to death of grinding levels but also it wont take forever

do the level xp requirements get progressively higher?

[violet wyvern]

You need more chc

[grizzled garnet]

my chest doesnt have chc because of the yellow so that will fix itself when i get the right drop

[cerulean smelt]

can i steal your oreo?

[grizzled garnet]

nop :3

i got it from uhhhh

someone called not_ivan i think

[violet wyvern]

You can steal it from the incursion 😂

[grizzled garnet]

on my 2nd run

[cerulean smelt]

think 3 or 4 runs for me XD

[grizzled garnet]

ok back to watching movie recaps and doing public executions... or uhhh... stopping them 0.0

[hexed steppe]

Nope. Same xp per shd 700kish

[sullen sun]

If I didn’t want to use the Bluescreen what could I replace it with?

Or could I make this build better?

The Bluescreen does no dmg on Legendary

[hexed steppe]

What's the purpose of the build.
Hardwire seems pretty poor choice tbh.
Blue screen and vile both geared towards status

[sullen sun]

Using jammer

Mainly for summit

Or legendary content

[hexed steppe]

Ok yeah just go eclipse then, you'll get a 30% amp from the bag that will help the vile dots.
If its solo youll probably be better off with dps. If grouped you can pair with foam and make a pretty decent support build

If set on hardwire seeker spam/mortar for feedback loop would be better.
In that case capacitor would be a good choice to really jack up the skill damage

[sullen sun]

What weapon choice should I go with for the Eclipse build?

[hexed steppe]

If using any fire also capacitor, if just using jammer and foam type skills go scorpio for more cc

[sullen sun]

Other weapon matter?

[hexed steppe]

If you have lefty,stage left, or a sledgehammer pistol you can proc it for extra damage on armored targets

summit can get weird for skill stuff since emp rooms are pretty common

[sullen sun]

Is there a better set than HW for the seeker?

[cerulean smelt]

gear set probably not

Highend a different story but requires you to get 2 very specific drops which can be a headache

[sullen sun]

What are those?

[hexed steppe]

4 specifics actually. Yellow sacrifice chest, yellow contractors, and 2 yellow Grupo
All 🦄

But for seeker spam hardwire is fastest.
For power high end hits harder

[sullen sun]

This ok for jammer pulse?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, that should do the trick. you might use an insync mop as shotgun for the 10% armor on kill

[vapid latch]

how could i fix/improve my smg build?

im goinmg for a crit chance & crit dmg build

[flint wave]

run 2 more hf pieces and a grupo chest piece with the obliterate talent

[vapid latch]

any advice on where i can get one? ive never heard the name of the piece before

[flint wave]

Use the targeted loot function on it

Challenging countdown if it's alive is your best option but bring ur dps

[vapid latch]

sweet thanks

and if i wanted dark winter, just target smgs correct?

[tulip umbra]

what is the build set up with regulus to get massive damage?

[flint wave]

it's a dz exclusive item

named caches can give it

[slate wedge]

one thing i love to run is a ceska chest with gunslinger and a grupo backpack with versatile and just using scorpio + vector with unwavering

[slate wedge]

4 pieces HF with D&H chest using Headhunter and Memento

[tulip umbra]

i thought it would be with the gunslingers holster

[urban latch]

There's a regulus headhunter setup in the pinned spreadsheet

[onyx sage]

there are 2 big variations that do use it but it's not necessary

[tulip umbra]

why hunters fury? just a genuine question

[tawdry flare]

Cause of the amplified DMG it gives ya it gives about 20% amp upfront and stacks upto 53% amp also armour on kill/health on kill and cc

[onyx sage]

yep, the damage, survivability and cc, most crucially the cc

[tulip umbra]

ooh ok, thank you

[vapid latch]

yeah im trin to go with vector build

also would this work for the build? i just got it

[cyan drift]

Weird build o clock

may get another improvised instead of the guard knees

[flint wave]

I saw a build like this on challenging backup call

No galvanize backpack

[cyan drift]

yea it is terrible on challenging but great for heroic/legendary cause 70% pfe

it's unironically worse on challenging than heroic

even better, 3 shots for galvanize

[bronze hound]

That's how it goes with pfe

My pfe tank is much harder to use on DUA than TB/MZ

[cyan drift]

I'd run it in the incursion if it was at all viable vs a DPS build

[bronze hound]

Lol

[bronze hound]

Actually....

It kinda is

[cyan drift]

in matchmaking it might be, but otherwise ehh

and I cba to matchmake the incursion

[bronze hound]

Mine does 700k a shot no external buffs

[bronze hound]

You'd be surprised

[hardy elk]

any good sniper build?

[shy willow]

Check the spreadsheet

[hardy elk]

ok thanks

[bronze hound]

Is 3/2/1 on the spreadsheet

[broken lion]

????????????

[zenith drift]

How do I use the dps calculator

[tawdry flare]

Go to range

Observer the DMG number with both crit and non crit put it in the pinned calculator and off ya go

[zenith drift]

Says view only

[tawdry flare]

If you are using strikers observer at Max cap

[tawdry flare]

Have to make a copy

[trim lagoon]

is my Critical Hit chance enough or is it too low

[fallen comet]

for what build

[trim lagoon]

overall usage i guess

[hexed steppe]

its low. you want chance between 50-60%. 60 is the hard cap

farm control points 3+ and youll get different blueprints. some of those will be different chc mods you can use for your weapon and bring that level up

[sullen sun]

Thoughts on this build from Reddit

[trim lagoon]

is this the gear mod with the highest Critical hit chance?

[sullen sun]

6%

[trim lagoon]

where can i get that
is it available from any vendor?

[sullen sun]

Legendary summit bro, or countdown

[trim lagoon]

how to get that exotic components?
it seems i cant get it from here

[patent fossil]

Pretty sure hunters fury would just do a better job in 90% of circumstances

[patent fossil]

You get exotic components by deconstructing exotics, they also have a small drop chance from level 4 CPs and dz landmark caches

[trim lagoon]

am I still able to craft the pistol if i deconstruct this one?

[patent fossil]

No, it's one of the required components in your previous picture

I guess you could farm out the original pieces again like when you crafted it the first time, but you can't reconfigure it if you destroy it

[hexed steppe]

farm exotics from countdown. 2 challenging difficulty completes will give enough credits to buy an exotic cache, and also possible exo drops from target loot

[sinful shuttle]

o/ recently came back to div2, a friend of mine setted me up with this build, any suggestion what to focus on? 👀

[grizzled garnet]

What sort of content are you planning on running because ive found success in running 4 pc strikers, coyotes mask and a ceska chest

Works really nicely with st elmos

Also i dont think in alot of cases 6 blues will do you well since thats more for tanking

[sinful shuttle]

Mostly PVE stuff, maybe 95% of the time, i do love playing as a tank, where my job basic is to facetank everything while the DPS'es goes crazy

[patent fossil]

HB is good for out-of-cover facetanking, but a full red strikers build cover-based playstyle is worth learning as it's a lot faster in the long run

in group situations sadly tank isn't a useful role, as many enemies will simply ignore you and focus whoever is doing the most damage

[grizzled garnet]

If youre hell bent on tanking there are more specialized builds

[sinful shuttle]

I cant remember the name of the build, but i used to have one, where every time i got a stack, rest of the squad would get 'bonus' armor 🤔

[sinful shuttle]

tbh with you, i have zero ideas what my current build even does... xD

at first i was 50/50 on either tank or healer build, but i got told healer/medic build was useless

[grizzled garnet]

Not a build in itself but sounds like the pointman named gila chest

"Deploying a shield makes it invulnerable for 5s and grants 50% of your armor as bonus armor to all other allies for 20s.

Cooldown: 25s"

[sinful shuttle]

yeah thats the one

[grizzled garnet]

Thats only one part of a build though

[sinful shuttle]

yeah i thought so, when it comes to builds in general, idk what to get, or where to go xD

[grizzled garnet]

There are builds in the pinned spreadsheet

[sinful shuttle]

oo i see it!

[grizzled garnet]

This is what i run mostly

Ignore the random yellow in the chest. Thats meant to be red

[sinful shuttle]

Assuming that is a tank build right?

[grizzled garnet]

No

Dps

[sinful shuttle]

Ah frick

XD

[grizzled garnet]

Tank builds are niche imo

[sinful shuttle]

Gave you an idea how bad my knowledge is, when it comes to builds, haha xD

[glossy scarab]

tank builds are generally viewed as kind of obsolete these days. you'd be much better help to your team as a healer

[grizzled garnet]

Make a 6 red dps build then use that to farm future builds

[sinful shuttle]

Gotcha, and for the healer build, what would the recoomends be?

[glossy scarab]

future initiative gear set. exotic btsu data gloves, and a backpack with opportunistic

[sinful shuttle]

Noted!

[glossy scarab]

repair skills is the attribute you want on all pieces

[sinful shuttle]

and those can drop in pentco fairview power plant correct? 👀

[glossy scarab]

yea

[sinful shuttle]

perfect

thanks! c:

[glossy scarab]

enjoy

[grizzled garnet]

Note that challenging difficulty is optimal for matchmaking since from what ive heard heroic runners are kinda elitist and there are less people matchmaking

[lofty bolt]

with a heartbreaker build is it more common to re-roll the core armor for weapon damage? or leave it as armor?

[glossy scarab]

i like to have a piece each of armor/chc, armor/chd, weapon dmg/chc weapon dmg/chd

cuz im never satisfied with my balance between bonus armor and damage

[slate wedge]

compketely depends on what role you wanna play and what you are comfortable with

for CD i have a full blue build to just run around and shoot stuff but for open world stuff i run a red build because i want to kill stuff quickly

[slate wedge]

mods can be pfe btw

[glossy scarab]

true true. this is more for just a solo open world and missions kinda of thing and i never remember that pfe is even an option unless im doing some other kind of content like raids or something

[slate wedge]

usually you don't need pfe even in raids but at the same time you also don't need the repair skills

[glossy scarab]

yeah true. i shoulda said heroic countdown not raids

since i've not once seen a healer in countdown. even though i know it happens

[hazy steeple]

Red FI is far more common in Countdown than a dedicated healer.
for obvious reasons.

[glossy scarab]

hmm thats a good idea. i can run my red FI while farming for the only piece im still looking for. holster with chd. i have one with chc but all the other pieces i have chc and chd variants

dont ask me why i double up unnecessarily. its a a compulsion

[sterile scarab]

Hi can. U roll dttooc on Eagle bearer??

[glossy scarab]

nope

[sterile scarab]

Thanks

[glossy scarab]

only the newer exotic weapons can have their third attribute changed randomly by reconfiguring

[hazy steeple]

Sacrum Imperium and after, IIRC

[glossy scarab]

i actually wasted 2 exo components yesterday because i thought it was possible with bluescreen. i had a second one and wanted to try for rate of fire on it

[magic pilot]

Red FI is a ton of fun with scorpio and perfect opp

You stack so much dmg for the team and on extraction you can just blind fire and tag enemy's for opp

[astral kraken]

sprinkle a little sledgehammer grenade spam and it's chefs kiss

ideally the fire variety 😄

[broken lion]

is the backfire good?

[fickle light]

Not really. Kinda a gimmick but it is quite fun if you like being status immune.

[smoky ivy]

What’s a good PvP build now

[tulip umbra]

is hotshot just better than ace and eights?

[hazy steeple]

Sadly pretty much yeah. It's not bad by any means, but it's just kinda "better" overall.
I'm sure someone has found a niche use for it where it shines though.

[magic pilot]

Check pinned sheet

There's a google doc and a spreadsheet on the pvp section with in-depth builds

[forest forum]

My latest addiction. I wasn't impressed with foundry bulwark but future initiative works amazing. I at least make sure to have a skill damage and or skill haste for one or two attributes. I am going to assume our specializations plays a big role in gears and possibly weapons of choice.

[urban latch]

Future is by far the best support set in the game. I'd swap out your chest and backpack though

[shy willow]

I'd run the chest and swap off the bag for Alps opportunistic

[forest forum]

Don't need the backpack?

[shy willow]

The backpack bonus isnt as helpful as the chest one

iirc it's like an extra 10 percent damage for your team

[forest forum]

Oh wow i didn't even bother read that smh. Sounds like a good deal.

[shy willow]

It's almost universally run as a support healer set so you wanna have as many team buffs as possible

[forest forum]

Dang i ran capital hill again on challenge to get more, and i use the chest with coyote mask. Didn't have the backpack one at that time.

[forest forum]

What's Alps?

[shy willow]

Alps summit brand set

[forest forum]

I know the opportunistic is a talent

Oh okay thanks! Will definitely track it down. Love trying things out.

Thank y'all

[bronze hound]

either alps with op or a unicorn setup

[glass epoch]

How were you not impressed by foundry?

[bronze hound]

it doesnt feel super tanky at higher difficulties

[glass epoch]

My one tanks legendary heavies 1v3

And boosts allies with bonus armour

[bronze hound]

tanks nowadays rely on pure PFE

[glass epoch]

whats PFE lol

[bronze hound]

protection from elites

[glass epoch]

True

I do have it equipped

[bronze hound]

and running foundry forces you to cut what youd run otherwise in half

without foundry you can hit 70-80

[glass epoch]

Well my foundry is soley dedicated to support

And covering allies in legendary

[bronze hound]

but could you swap off foundry and still do the same thing

[glass epoch]

Protector, Perfect vanguard, Artificer for shield healing, TDI KARD skill tier

[bronze hound]

so you could

[glass epoch]

Basically in some rooms I become the door

[bronze hound]

but you can do that with a regular pfe tank lol

[glass epoch]

Why be a SHD agent when I can be Door

Yeah

But I like foundry cause of the regen allowing me free reign on the rooms despite the legendaries

[bronze hound]

catharsis

[glass epoch]

That would be good if I could add it

But my extra slots are for the 2 Total armour 1 piece things

[bronze hound]

try taking your tank into tidal or manning and youll see what i mean

[glass epoch]

Did tidal

No wait that was heroic

[bronze hound]

tidal and manning are 99% elites

[glass epoch]

I aint done tidal yet cause no one doing it in matchmaking for todays loot

and manning isnt legendary capable?

or am I stupid

[bronze hound]

yes it is

[glass epoch]

Damn ok

[bronze hound]

tidal legendary has two reds the whole mission

[glass epoch]

Love it

[flint wave]

but how many purples

[onyx sage]

those 2 are pog

[bronze hound]

idk the number

[glass epoch]

Dont give them hastle, its their first day

[bronze hound]

but only a few each room

but cove

what im saying is seriously might wanna consider making a pfe tank

because those missions are brutal

like "ten enemies firing at me at the same time including 3 heavies" brutal

[glass epoch]

Yeah I know

[bronze hound]

30 pfe isnt enough

[glass epoch]

My shield does take damage

[bronze hound]

with 70 pfe it takes almost nothing

[glass epoch]

But thanks to the artificer progress is undone quickly as long as it deploys

My TDI has Headshots increase skill repair so it does more health back

[bronze hound]

thats assuming youre taking damage slow enough

[glass epoch]

I have taken a ton of damage at once

[bronze hound]

which in those two youre not

[bronze hound]

not at once; over time

[glass epoch]

Yeah

Thats what I meant mb

[bronze hound]

artificer is good at preventing bursts of damage but you dont get that in TB/MZ

[glass epoch]

True

Well Ill have a look into it, I got chill out I can use for more slots

[bronze hound]

yeah take a look

[glass epoch]

And the 5% total armour from Gila on it

[bronze hound]

also remember liberty repairs shield

[glass epoch]

Yes

[bronze hound]

5% armour doesnt apply to shield btw

[glass epoch]

But: Cant hit shit im terrible with it

[bronze hound]

arent you a tank

[glass epoch]

Still bad aim

[bronze hound]

arent you like right next to the enemies tho lol

[glass epoch]

Its just that one gun

No most the time im protecting allies

I use my bulwark build as an extended barrier for allies to peak around and get shots off or cover their backs in exposed areas

[bronze hound]

trust me youll wanna ditch that idea for TB/MZ

[glass epoch]

keeps them alive and I get shot at so more bonus armour for them

[bronze hound]

because its too open and thats not possible

[glass epoch]

well ill stick with what works for now and when it comes time ill start investing into the PFE build

[bronze hound]

im just lettin you know to be prepared if you ever try those

[glass epoch]

Yeah

[bronze hound]

because foundry will not work

[glass epoch]

I also have music buff

[flint wave]

I'd still use pfe anyways because what else am I gonna use

[bronze hound]

music wont help you stay alive sorry to break it to you

[glass epoch]

Bet

[bronze hound]

unless its like

[onyx sage]

even worse when teammates do rush strat

[bronze hound]

hardcore

but yeah a tanks job isnt to protect its to grab aggro from the enemies that will attack them

[glass epoch]

That why my build works on that job

[onyx sage]

i mean

[bronze hound]

because by getting in front of them youre also absorbing their shots

[flint wave]

Revive hive helps you stay alive in hardcore

[glass epoch]

Search and Rescue but we already did the Search

[onyx sage]

you probably don't know the strat i'm talking about but tanks in those strats don't do anything

[glass epoch]

Eh well I like it

Its something I wanna do for a bit so I can take a break from just shooting in one direction

[bronze hound]

pretty much

[glass epoch]

now I look in one direction

[bronze hound]

btw cove just a quick note to make

dont do this when tanking

[glass epoch]

I know

[bronze hound]

just making sure

[glass epoch]

I said it, I wouldnt do it

[bronze hound]

juuuuuuuuuust making sure

[flint wave]

[glass epoch]

I only move infront of an ally when they are reviving

[bronze hound]

because its hard to block incoming and not outgoing

[bronze hound]

wait hold on

you just said your whole job was to act as a door

[glass epoch]

That was part of it

[bronze hound]

huh

well whats the other part

[glass epoch]

The entire role of my build for me is protection of allies with bonus armour buffs, covering and rescuing downed allies, D O O R

Sometimes a wall or a ceiling

I am in ur walls

[bronze hound]

covering and rescuing downed allies, D O O R

you just kinda said those are the same thing

[glass epoch]

I AM your walls

eh lets not get into the specifics of words

I just protect and buff

Gives them 1.1Million armour from vanguard and 15% extra from protector when I take damage

[bronze hound]

you might wanna reconsider just saying

[glass epoch]

And most are running DPS or Skill builds on legendary and this gives them some room to move around and fall back if needed

which has helped multiple times

[astral kraken]

So basically... your role is extending the time it takes to clear the encounter so you can all have more fun together!

I dig it

[glass epoch]

No

[onyx sage]

people play the game more to play the game less

[flint wave]

speedrunners

[astral kraken]

I honestly feel like most build feedback is in that context

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[astral kraken]

Then again you can't really quantify fun

[glass epoch]

My build doesnt extend the playtime I dont see how it would do that considering it has done the opposite

Thanks to allowing more movement and health of allies and letting them gets shots of without getting swarmed and then cornered

[astral kraken]

You said one of your jobs is picking up downed allies. Why are they getting downed if you give them all that armor :trollface:

[glass epoch]

because im there not letting that task force of bots through a chokepoint (doesnt work they push you with game physics)

[onyx sage]

see, that assumes your teammates need it in the first place and have low enough skill

[glass epoch]

Its legendary, Bonus armour doesnt make them invincible

[astral kraken]

It actually doesn't give them much at all, which was my point

[onyx sage]

otherwise they're going to either appreciate another hand in damage or crowd control to just make enemies stop shooting

[tawdry raven]

Crafted so many closer chests and still not one with chd chc this thing rarer than EB in dz

[bronze hound]

i only run tank if i have concerns my group cant run an all deeps

[glass epoch]

Farm the brand in countdown

[astral kraken]

CC or heal (+ buff/debuff) does so much more for support

Especially if you memorize the spawn locations

[hexed steppe]

hes got the blueprint

[glass epoch]

Oh right crafted

[bronze hound]

ive had this same issue with courier

[grizzled wind]

riot foam alone more value then vaguard

[glass epoch]

Farming it is better imo I never get good rolls on crafting

[hexed steppe]

lucky break last week with that and setup dropping blueprints from cp4

[flint wave]

Was those blueprints intentional?

[hexed steppe]

unicorns are worth the optimization mats

[bronze hound]

probns nor

[onyx sage]

they haven't said anything yet but just keep an eye out on trello

[bronze hound]

trellowo

[onyx sage]

...

binoculars

[flint wave]

Now I just need my st elmos engine blue print back

[hexed steppe]

oh they are still dropping ?

[flint wave]

It doesn't show up on other characters

[onyx sage]

yeah

i just got both closer and setup bps on my alt earlier today

[hexed steppe]

nice

[grizzled wind]

did you buy the "share bps"

[flint wave]

yes

[grizzled wind]

hmm maybe but in in stash, and put it on the other char as test

[flint wave]

I have 2 elmos so I tried to downgrade it on other character

[merry stone]

u cant downgrade st elmo

to lv30

weirdly u can to oreos

[broken lion]

are there any builds that even come close to striker's for dps?

i feel like running any other build i do pipsqueak dmg

[tawdry flare]

Negotiators for multi target

[glossy scarab]

shout outs to @grizzled garnet and @hexed steppe for helping me with a super speedy wony run. i finally got to optimize this last piece of my healer build

[bronze hound]

nice

[glossy scarab]

i never set out to get all these. just the red and the yellow

[bronze hound]

You sharpied the picture

[astral kraken]

beautiful

I got that drop in countdown the same day setup blueprints came out

Been looking for it for a year 🤦‍♂️

[short nexus]

has anyone got advice to make this bullet king build any better?

[flint wave]

Besides replacing the bullet king? not really

[hazy steeple]

A ceska piece would help with the unfixable lack of crit stats.

[short nexus]

i guess contractors glove would be the item to replace?

[hazy steeple]

Aye.
swap the chest out for a Ceska if you are running regular content, swap out the gloves/knees/holster for Ceska if its Incursions/Legendary, etc.

That advice is the same for pretty much every Striker build, just in case people are wondering.

[untold hearth]

Okay just curious, is there a named chest piece for a talent Perfect Obliterate??? Or does that even exist?

[hazy steeple]

None and nope.

[glossy scarab]

wtf. i did not

how did that get there

[hazy steeple]

snip tool? It's very easy to accidentally mark them.

[glossy scarab]

yeah i def did it pon accident

[untold hearth]

Dam I was wondering too lol

[glossy scarab]

theyve gotta be planning it for some terrible upcoming gearset

with something like 10% health as the first brand bonus

[astral kraken]

SHD level 346,230 would disagree

[cyan drift]

if they removed health as a roll, that'd be the best update ever

[round zinc]

Bring back stim as an armor plate choice and rework shitcore

[cunning crag]

hey guys, i really want to return to this game. Ubisoft connect is down rn but I think I am about level 300 on my SHD watch and still figuring out what builds are good. Any good sources to find a catalogue of viable builds for most content nowadays?

[grizzled garnet]

The pinned spreadsheed

Wait what? Its not there?
Nvm wasnt loading

[cunning crag]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit#gid=1380412817 - this one yeah?

i guess its updated frequently?

[grizzled garnet]

The spreadsheet 2 is my prefered but i think either work

Ik its not exactly a spreadsheet/build compendium but a good starter build imo is a strikers build with coyotes mask

Easy to slap together and pretty powerful and can be used as a stepping stone for other builds

[cunning crag]

cool, ive been experimenting with strikers battlegear stuff and i like it

but also hear "heartbreaker" is good?

[grizzled garnet]

I personally havent tried it

Ive only heard about it a while ago when it released being good in the dz pvp

[cunning crag]

rn im just messing around and actually feel like Scorpio + Ongoing Directive + Vile mask are pretty synergistic lol

[grizzled garnet]

Never really seen people using ongoing directive

[glossy scarab]

the vile + bleed damage is so small even when you spec into status effects. not worth it

all you get is low bullet damage and low status ticks

[round zinc]

honestly i wanna see OD work like the outcast ammo bag

it replaces an ability or something for hollow point mags

[sacred raven]

GR9 with steady handed talent better then this crap bullet king

[forest forum]

Man, I really did love using future initiative until came across rogue agents again. Naw man, you need a striker in a group for that. 💀

[steep temple]

Run AR bullet king just has horrible damage. If I’m not mistaken it is the lowest DPS of all LMGs.
L86 is gonna give you best damage for LMGs. Although I haven’t checked the new iron lung at the range yet. I hear it’s quite good.

But the big problem is LMGs are the weakest class of weapon in the game in regards to damage output. Your best choices for a strikers build are the FAMAS, f2000, St. Elmo’s and obviously once you get it the ouroborous Using an LMG is basically nerfing your damage potential. Alothough it is strikers so it will still do good DPS. Strikers is just that powerful

[tawdry flare]

Go sleipner or good times

[thin patrol]

Nice to see someone think outside the shoe box, and have their own ideas outside of boring meta.

[steep temple]

Ongoing directive is decent gearset in add heavy situations. Missions open world etc. although there are better options to buff your teams damage. Future initiative being the most obvious one.
But at the end of the day 99% of the content in the game doesn’t require meta builds anyways.

[thin patrol]

100% of all content can be done without meta, for the extra challenge if you just want and have patience.

[steep temple]

Very true. Saw a video of a dude run legendary Roosevelt island with. 6 piece 5.11 build and he lead his group in damage. Granted that dude is a extremely good player

[sterile scarab]

Dismantling what gives polycarbonate?? Please

[short nexus]

It's a bullet king build, if I use a different gun it's no longer a bullet king build

[steep temple]

Just trying to give you some info man

[urban latch]

If your committed to it thats basically the build then. Although depending on what percentage of shots on armor your hitting/assuming ceska may come out ahead because the bulletking is so low on chc

[short nexus]

Advice that undermines the entire point isn't really advice man

[short nexus]

I've seen that recommended, im grinding ceska soon

What's ceska do?

[urban latch]

+10% crit chance, which because you only have 1 minor attribute on the strikers and no chc from the bullet king (you generally have +15% from high end weapons) that build will be quite low on crit. 1p ceska is the most efficient way to get crit onto a build outside the +5% weapon mods your missing by using the bullet king

[steep temple]

Dude wth? Never said don’t use the gun.

[urban latch]

I know your specifically looking for a bulletking build, but try our a gr9 with steady handed. It's literally a "bullet king" you never need to reload, but stronger

[short nexus]

I've seen that recommended a lot, what's the gr9 look like

[shy willow]

Long and yellow

[forest forum]

I know there's two look alike long and yellow, haven't gotten my hands on the gr9 but the other one i get all the time.

[shy willow]

It has a big ass scope on it if that helps

[forest forum]

And its a mustard yellow color lol

[grizzled garnet]

?

[alpine sorrel]

Anybody got a pvp st Elmo’s or eagle bearer build

[torn ore]

I need a dz build for ouro

[bronze hound]

yes thats the gr9

[cyan drift]

frenzy GR9 😎

how to lose all feeling in your hands for two minutes

[spice badge]

Frenzy Gr9 on striker

[grizzled garnet]

is it worthwhile using a revolver with determined until i can get a deagle and recraft with determined?

[sinful shuttle]

quick question, what stats does the backpack need? repair skills and something else?

[grizzled garnet]

skill haste im assuming

[sinful shuttle]

noted

[bronze hound]

yeah repair and haste

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/Go9TK-GMi2M?si=UUSPwP4XehfLYa5y

Panda put this together after a lot of testing

Build 1 is the setup you would want with catharsis

[glossy scarab]

repair skills and skill haste ideally

but if you can only get one with one of those attributes you can change the other to what you need, and leave the core as armor but run tech specialization to get the 1 skill tier you'll now need

[sinful shuttle]

gotcha

[glossy scarab]

also, in the technician spec tree dont forget to change the skill damage to skill repair if you end up going that route

[vapid bobcat]

Guys st elmos good with 4pc ongoing?or umbra?

[glossy scarab]

personally i think running ongoing directive is a waste if you're not using a weapon with sadist on it (a very strong talent)

[vapid bobcat]

I only have these for now so thats my only choices

[glossy scarab]

both are good but umbra has a specific playstyle which forces you to bounce in and out of cover to take advantage of the damage buff

[vapid bobcat]

For umbra i checked last nights and its like stats 60chc and 175chd but never played with it coz i hopped off lol

[glossy scarab]

but on the upside it heals you when you go in cover

it gives you another 100% chd

[vapid bobcat]

Okei ill try to run it tonight ty!

[glossy scarab]

with full stacks

[vapid bobcat]

But which gear works best with st elmos?

[patent fossil]

st elmos works well with pretty much any gear, top dps options would be strikers or negotiators

[bronze hound]

Striker

Imo striker

Nego is too situational imo

[flint wave]

just shoot more then 1 dude

[vapid bobcat]

All red striker?

[bronze hound]

Assuming there is more than one

[flint wave]

there's always more then one

[vapid bobcat]

Ill try to get striker then eh

[flint wave]

yeah striker good

[glossy scarab]

gotta have striker

[bronze hound]

Nego doesn't work on Lucy/buddy, razorback, boss 1/2 ih

[vapid bobcat]

And the 2pc to go with the 4pc striker is?

[flint wave]

sometimes enemies are too beefy for nego

[bronze hound]

The point is I wouldn't suggest nego as a starter build because it's more situational than striker

For a first build you gotta make something that works everywhere

[flint wave]

ceska and/or grupo then coyotes(or memento for survivability)

[vapid bobcat]

Thank u! This is great for pve eh?

[glossy scarab]

yup

[flint wave]

lol strikers in pvp

[glossy scarab]

yeah ppl try it tho

[flint wave]

[vapid bobcat]

Oh lol no just pve i dont pvp i get killed there like instant so i dont mess there lol

[glossy scarab]

10.98 million with one shell. body shot. this m870 has chc as the third attribute if you can believe that

[flint wave]

chc underrated third attribute

[glossy scarab]

hell yeah. it makes you able to fit other weapons in with ouro without the secondary being chc starved

[flint wave]

someone tried to open up a debate between 10% dttoc vs 25% chd and chc attribute is basically that

[glossy scarab]

i done it with a couple ARs and an M1A and its much better than dttoc with low crit

wouldnt do it unless i was using ouro as primary tho

[patent fossil]

works for pairing weapons with Elmo too

[flint wave]

might do that for acs

screw dttoc anyways

[glossy scarab]

yep although with coyotes mask on i dont mind my rifle chc being 47% since im only using it at over 15m range

yeah i have it on an ACS and Lefty. i knew i kept two of a lot of these weapons for a reason

[stiff orbit]

What striker Oreo setup gives more dmg? going off the basis of a striker 4 piece w/ Coyote mask. Don’t know if i should be using foxes knees or soko or grupo.

[hexed steppe]

probably still ceska. youll most likely be close buff that gives no chc, and will want to hit 60% cap. iirc ceska gives you like 3% over and leaves all non secondary rolls/mods for chd

if not worried about hitting cap run grupo

[flint wave]

run ceska to feed crit starved secondary

[stiff orbit]

thank you

[stiff orbit]

thank you

[sinful shuttle]

This is how it looks rn 👀

[hexed steppe]

Drop creeping for opportunistic. Tech class for faraday perk or survivalist

[vestal ibex]

Named backpack called the setup, named shotgun lefty, tech if you are only skill tier 5.

[stiff orbit]

is there any way to get the dps target to stay in a spot and change it to invulnerable?

this mf keeps going far away every time i change it to invulnerable

[onyx sage]

shoot the top plate

[stiff orbit]

😐 oh, well thank you.

3% over flow on crit chance w/ 163% crit dmg
is there anything more i can do to squeeze out more dps?

besides expertise

[hexed steppe]

Lefty as secondary for perfect sledge maybe, but you have regular on the pistol.

Looks good

[grizzled garnet]

on a tank build is perfect vanguard more used as a team buff tool?

also should i change the chd for haz pro or keep it for another build?

[onyx sage]

change the armor regen to crit chance for a bruiser dps build

[grizzled garnet]

a bruiser dps build being?

[onyx sage]

a dps build that isn't full red and plays up close to enemies

in this case, this backpack is really good because it synergizes with shotguns

[grizzled garnet]

scorpio :3

you got a link?

[onyx sage]

there isn't a build page for this per se but generally it's going to be a blue striker variant

[grizzled garnet]

the link on the spreadsheet that was meant to be for it

[grizzled garnet]

4 pc strikers, that backpack i sent and a chest with some other damage talent?

[onyx sage]

yeah or you can actually run striker chest with acs-12 too

[torn ore]

@magic pilot thx, I'll try it when I get on

[onyx sage]

generally it's best to go with both bp and chest if you're going blue

[grizzled garnet]

both bp and chest strikers?

[onyx sage]

obliterate doesn't stack per pellet like striker does, and yeah

[torn ore]

Get rid of whatever's causing the overflow chc for chd

[stiff orbit]

no

[torn ore]

And get DMG out of cover on Ouro if you don't already

[torn ore]

🤷‍♂️ ok

[stiff orbit]

the overflow is from ceska to reach 60% crit chance since while using oreo i won’t be getting a crit chance buff from coyote

everything else is crit dmg maxed out

[torn ore]

What's cesja boost to chc, 12?

[stiff orbit]

16%

[torn ore]

Replace ceska for grupo and slap chc mod on

[hazy steeple]

10% chc from Ceska's 1pc bonus.

[torn ore]

You'll love without it

[stiff orbit]

i have crit chance on one of its attribute slots

so it’s 16

if i swap that crit chance out for hsd it’s at 56% flat crit chance

[torn ore]

Nobody said hsd

[stiff orbit]

which still isn’t bad

[magic pilot]

Ceska gives you 10

[stiff orbit]

i know, i said if i swap

[magic pilot]

Grupo has the same 6% roll

[stiff orbit]

without ceska i’m down 13% less crit chance

[magic pilot]

You should run grupo and 1 chc mod

That makes no sense lmao

[torn ore]

You can put chc mod on a grupo piece dude

[stiff orbit]

yes, i’m aware of that

i think we’re having a miscommunication

[magic pilot]

Ceska is a 10% gain over grupo so you lose 10%

You are over cap by 3% meaning you would be at 53% before adding a 6% chc mod

With no ceska

[torn ore]

But place a chc attribute and it's only a 4% chc lost and 10+ chd gain

[hexed steppe]

Why not hf? Up close bruiser plays right into Hf strengths

[stiff orbit]

i’ll brb

[magic pilot]

1% crit chance loss for 3% more chd

[torn ore]

You could run Ouro with hf, but it still pairs the best with lady d speed boost

[onyx sage]

it's also a good choice too

[torn ore]

Then stick with what you have dude

[magic pilot]

What 🤣

[torn ore]

Oh my b

Thought the guy asking help sent that sarcastically

[gentle lichen]

Have discussed it earlier with somebody but they still think the ceska is more worth lol

[hazy steeple]

Due to the way modding works and CHC vs CHD attributes and the SHD watch bonus helping you get 1/6th of the way to the CHC cap by itself, ceska is usually the way to go.

[hexed steppe]

Personally if I was gonna go Hf, it would include headhunter and 2x m870

This was in reference in what to do with a perfect opportunistic piece anyways. SMG wouldn't fit there

[torn ore]

I have been running a 4pc striker set with 3 red and blue and fox prayer for a bit and I feel like I do decently well. and if I built the expertise levels on the pieces I could maybe use

[torn ore]

We talking about hunters fury right?

[hexed steppe]

Correct

[onyx sage]

opportunistic wouldn't be good with headhunter either, the first shot doesn't benefit from it

[torn ore]

I need the drugs u on

[fickle light]

????

[onyx sage]

i mean, HF with headhunter isn't anything crazy

it's literally meta

[hexed steppe]

You guys conflating 2 statements

[torn ore]

How is that meta lmao

[onyx sage]

have you seen speedruns

[torn ore]

No

[hexed steppe]

I was suggesting that opportunistic piece for hf.

And headhunter hf for myself. Probably with memento tbh

[fickle light]

regulus oneshot builds use headhunter and hunter's fury to delete entire groups of enemies in record time

[onyx sage]

so you don't know, but it paired with m870 + regulus is very strong

[magic pilot]

Not with an smg that puts you over cap

[onyx sage]

okay understood what you mean now

[torn ore]

I feel like I'm being trolled

[magic pilot]

No lol

[hazy steeple]

@magic pilot Then you can lower your CHC on the gear and raise the CHD instead, win-win.

[torn ore]

A pistol being used in a smg set

[hexed steppe]

Sure, caffeine drip incoming 😎

[torn ore]

Regulus and headhunter I can believe, but HF?

[onyx sage]

because what you're getting from it isn't the 2p, but the 4p bonus, and it doesn't limit to smg or shotgun

[magic pilot]

You literally can't go any lower lol

[onyx sage]

the 2p bonus is very small in comparison

[magic pilot]

2 chc rolls, smg and watch is 53% chc

[grizzled garnet]

"Apex Predator

Enemies within 15m receive a debuff,
amplifying your weapon damage against them by +20%.

Killing a debuffed enemy with your weapon disorients
other enemies within 5m, and amplifies weapon damage by 5% for 10s,
stacking up to 5 times."

none of this screams smg imo

[fickle light]

Just because it is an SMG set doesnt mean you HAVE to use an SMG. The set gains a considerable damage bonus to any weapon when you are close to the enemy. The 2pc bonus to SMG and Shotguns is actually very little damage overall.

[onyx sage]

hitting close to 20mil with regulus at max stacked HF is why it's speedrun meta

[magic pilot]

Dodge city or providence bp, or memento, 2 pc Walker, or badger

[hexed steppe]

All the damage comes from the amp and HH. You also get cc on anything still close. It's a dope setup

[slate wedge]

if you run an ar with it get a bit above the cap with oreo and run coyotes

[unborn garden]

any attributes i should change here? its used with a striker build

[torn ore]

Health

[magic pilot]

Fine on the rolls, fire rate is low on KB to keep stacks up

[hazy steeple]

dtooc is the best attribute.
@torn ore you can't change health damage on AR's. Same as you can't change crit chance on an SMG.

guns have 2 locked attributes and the 3rd one is what you can change, plus the Talent.
which is why when you're farming what you should be looking for is dtooc as the attribute so you can change the Talent as you want.

[unborn garden]

btw Could I also run striker with 1 or 2 blue cores for more survivabillity?

[hazy steeple]

Sure if you feel you need it.
I wouldn't go more than 3 though.

[torn ore]

Call me a crack head but I love running bloodsucker

[jaunty hollow]

I run 4pc striker and two with blue core and the dps is still fine

[torn ore]

Great survivability if your build can dish out clean rapid kills

[fickle light]

I'd start with using decoy as a "i need to leave" skill, even skill tier 0 decoy is great for getting a lot of enemies off you for a moment, and it doesnt compromise your personal damage.

[unborn garden]

ran it with all reds and had a really hard time. I switched one red to a blue and its much better now so 2 blues should be the sweetspot

[hazy steeple]

What's your current Chest Talent?

[unborn garden]

Im using a striker chest so the striker talent

[torn ore]

If I expertises the gear, would I be able to shred and survive in dz?

[jaunty hollow]

I use obliterate on a grupo

[torn ore]

This for DZ

[jaunty hollow]

2 blue cores plus crusader shield

[hazy steeple]

The Striker chest is great for things like Incursion/Legendary, but honestly for Heroic content? I'd probably suggest swapping to a Ceska one instead.
and just to clarify, you're building stacks (2nd weapon) with the acs-12 yeah?

[gentle lichen]

Add more blues. 5 is good

[magic pilot]

No lol

[unborn garden]

I dont have a good acs-12 or lefty so no im not building stacks with one. I went with the striker chest because I found a really good ceska holster. But if a ceska chest is better for heroic content then ill switch

[magic pilot]

Grupo/coyotes go at least 4 blue

[gentle lichen]

Do you run bag or matador for striker's?

[hazy steeple]

@unborn garden You might want to look into an acs-12. It really is the fastest thing to build stacks with like crazy.
a Countdown run or 3 would get you one for sure.

[torn ore]

Two conflicting responses

[gentle lichen]

My build includes this

You can go for 4 or 5 depending on how you feel about it

[unborn garden]

what talent should go on a ceska chest?

[gentle lichen]

Try 4 and venture out. If it doesn't suit you go for 5

[hazy steeple]

@unborn garden Hmm, normally the answer would be Obliterate, but since you're going Kingbreaker, could try Spotter?

[torn ore]

@magic pilot @gentle lichen the only way to settle this is by an Agni Kai

1v1 DZ duel, whoever wins, has better build

[unborn garden]

what would be the alternative for Kingbreaker?

[hazy steeple]

Any of the "good" AR's will work. Famas/police m4/carbine-7, etc.
just a good balance of fire-rate and damage.

[torn ore]

Famas, st Elmo

[hazy steeple]

Actually Famas outdamaged Elmo.

[torn ore]

Oof

[gentle lichen]

C7 with flatline is a good one

[hazy steeple]

What's your spec tree with this setup?

[torn ore]

But can Famas out damage Ouroboros :p

[unborn garden]

and talent on all these should be flatline i guess?

[gentle lichen]

If technician

[unborn garden]

yes im using technician

[hazy steeple]

Only if you're more than 15m away.

[gentle lichen]

Good combo is closer with flatline

[magic pilot]

He runs the same build as me lol

[torn ore]

I'll consider it a Draw

[magic pilot]

No it optimal situations for both

[gentle lichen]

It's literally paradise lost dps build but all blue and unbreakable

[magic pilot]

Yep lmao

Panda was running it with obliterate

But only with healer

[unborn garden]

thanks for y'alls help. Got some work to do now to get all these things

[gentle lichen]

I'd wanna try that tbh

[magic pilot]

4 is the minimum I would run on striker since you don't have ad rush

We got rank 26 as a duo with me playing healer him running obliterate striker

Ended up dying to a 9 man push

[torn ore]

ight I'll try 4 blues, see what I can clue

I'll see myself out

Idk if I should count it but I dogged 2 duo's

Low-key snuck up on the 1st two doing landmark and the other didn't seem too good

Now I'm getting jumped

😭

I feel like I can survive a bit better but I don't see their armor drop as fast so theirs a chance they get away before I can finish them

[west kiln]

What's the perk you'd want on a bolt action right?

[torn ore]

Opti, ranger, lucky shot, determined

Opti is very much budget tho

[onyx sage]

for headhunter it isn't

[jaunty hollow]

is protection from elites good on a dps build? currently using Elmo’s with coyote and 4pc striker, chc is 45.9% and chd is 163.4%. should i swap chd mods for protection from elites?

[hexed steppe]

No. Your protection is the damage from crit

[fickle light]

tbh i'd swap a CHD mod for a CHC mod

[onyx sage]

you won't be all that tankier, there are limited places where pfe is actually worthwhile because it doesn't help at all against purples and reds which are the majority in a lot of content

[torn ore]

I recently found a new damage bonus mod that goes on circuit board slot. Should I use that instead of the firewall +8% SH buff mod

[onyx sage]

if you're using the firewall shield, damage bonus mods are best in slot

[torn ore]

Yeah I am

Kinda why I mentioned firewall mods

[onyx sage]

yeah then use them where you can, there are 5% and 1% mods for it

[torn ore]

I have a 4.6 and a 1%

[onyx sage]

use them, it took some time for me to get the god rolled ones

[torn ore]

Ight

[glass epoch]

Whats the best way I can unfuck my life

[ornate zealot]

find purple gear, then yellow gear

gg ez, shake my hand

[forest forum]

Blue is better to use than red for dz?

[gentle lichen]

Pretty much if want to face trade

But all red builds are used in dz with good positioning and decoy use

[forest forum]

What is face trade?

[glass epoch]

Did u see the vest?

[ornate zealot]

ez, find a purple vest

[glass epoch]

I mean

Did u see the attributes on the vest

[gentle lichen]

Shooting each other in the face

The more blue player usually wins

[ornate zealot]

just find one with attributes, ez

[glass epoch]

Thats not how the game works but ok

[gentle lichen]

Allows you to reposition if you are caught in a bad place

[glass epoch]

U dont get it

[forest forum]

Oh lol that's funny 😆 and good good point

[hexed steppe]

mark as junk and decon.
also, stop putting expertise upgrades on gear, pretty sure @ shd707 you arent swimming in mats yet 🍻

[glass epoch]

Nuh uh

Sys corr upgraded are for a reason

anyway thats my joke build obviously

Just by looking at the pistol and the vest…. And the guns

and everything else

[hexed steppe]

if everything was at 20 its still only around 1 blue core iirc. maybe less than a core

[stiff orbit]

take a screenshot and send it to yourself then grab the photo from your playstation app on your phone and then send it so we don’t have to see this shit again

[hexed steppe]

thats 330 exotics worth of upgrades for less than a blue core btw

[glass epoch]

Lmao im lazy

[stiff orbit]

😐

[glass epoch]

Besides Idk how to transfer photos cause I rarely use the app

[stiff orbit]

????

tf you mean how to transfer?

send the photo to your playstation account then open your phone app and click the photo

there’s a button in the corner that saves it to your phone

[glass epoch]

Mk

Ill not remember that for next time

[stiff orbit]

don’t get your stance on it but whatever work for you ig

that’s more than lazy, it’s just incompetence

[glass epoch]

You are really taking this to another level lol

You do you

[tawdry flare]

You have 6% one : 👀

[delicate wigeon]

Quick question. On this spreadsheet. The striker build says "third attribute: damage out of cover" I'm confused is this a armour stat or weapon?

[bronze hound]

Weapon

[delicate wigeon]

"damage to target out of cover" is it this one?

[bronze hound]

Yes

[delicate wigeon]

Ahh ok thanks

[hazy steeple]

Commonly abbreviated as "dtooc".

[delicate wigeon]

I haven't got any recalibration in it so DX

[gentle lichen]

Does contractor's and foxes' affect explosive damage?

[bronze hound]

Afaik they do

[flint wave]

not foxes

[gentle lichen]

I'm using collector for pvp and not sure what to use other than grupo 2 pc and china light 1 pc

And sledge

[violet basin]

You see. If ps app wasn't so ungodly slow. I'd use it more. But they crammed tooo much into it and it can take an actual 2-5 mins for it to load up. And that's only the first page.

[vapid latch]

ive got this goin so far, anymore imrpovement i can make? like enhancesments, roles, or mods? im going for a smg crit chance/damage

if you need to see certain piece let me know and ill send a screen shot

[mild stratus]

What do folks slot into hunter's fury?

[vapid latch]

i slot critical hit damage and critical hit chance

[mild stratus]

Fair enough.

[gentle lichen]

Find a double crit grupo and roll obliterate

[vapid latch]

yeah, the grupo i have is chance and damage, just needs obliterate

atm it has tamper proof

[gentle lichen]

I see a blue roll tho?

[vapid latch]

ah

forgot i added a mod

[gentle lichen]

Mods are different from attributes

[vapid latch]

good to know, good to know

[gentle lichen]

Mods on gear don't roll but the attributes do

Core attributes are fixed

[vapid latch]

mk

and by roll you mean as in recalibrating it correct?

[gentle lichen]

Partially

I'm talking about RNG too

You want your chest to either roll with 1 crit and obliterate or roll with double crit so you can put obliterate on it

[vapid latch]

ohhh ok ok

[tulip umbra]

on the typical striker dps set why ceska and not Grupo or something that adds your weapon type of damage

[gentle lichen]

Grupo if smg like ouro

Weapon damage has less value the more red cores you have

[violet basin]

It's a dps loss not to use strikers chest, but for example fenris and solokov are o,ly additive at the start of the damage equation roughly, so that 10% you see only ends up being closer to 5% in the end equation vs. Crot damage which is multiplicative of anything before it in the equation

[vapid latch]

if i want to us dark winter, what would i go by upgrading that?

[gentle lichen]

Dark winter is a dz exclusive item. If you already got your hands on it put dttooc on it

[vapid latch]

dttooc?

[gentle lichen]

Damage to targets out of cover

[vapid latch]

ohh, yeah it came with it i think

[gentle lichen]

Very nice

[gentle lichen]

You won't need any other attribute than that

So you can save your recal to godroll one of the attributes

Instead of optimising

[vapid latch]

save your recal to godroll? i dont follow

im like infant baby brain when it comes to this stuff

[gentle lichen]

You can recal one of your attributes to godroll if your library has the godroll attribute

For example if your library has godrolled chc core attribute for smg you can roll the chc on your dark winter to 21%

[vapid latch]

ah, well i messed up already then, the dark winter i have already has been recaled so i can only optimise

but i have smg dmaage 15.0 and crit chance 21.0 in my libary

[gentle lichen]

It's alright

[violet basin]

I am not sure how, the orange arrows are all higher than the current stats

You can't recall smg damage because THAT is optimized, but you COUOD do crit chance or the third stat

[vapid latch]

im not sure either, just says the slot has been optimized and recal is impossible

[gentle lichen]

Yes because it has been optimised

[violet basin]

Pls read what I just said

[gentle lichen]

Optimised attributes cannot be recalibrated

[vapid latch]

mhm

well thanks for the help!

if i have any questions could i dm you?

[violet basin]

They would be answered in the morning but yes

[vapid latch]

sweet

[onyx sage]

because ceska gives more crit value than grupo (the typical chc value is 6% while ceska gives 10%, while the typical chd value is 12% while grupo gives 15%, and people typically equate 6% chc to have the same crit value as 12% chd, so ceska gives more).

weapon damage brands are just powercrept by expertise on weapon, so weapon damage loses value when you get to high expertise. the exception is you mostly only run weapon damage basically on headhunter builds because it's one of the few damage sources that headhunter still scales effectively well with. as ixion said, you have too much weapon damage already, so adding more weapon damage isn't as rewarding as getting more crit

[stiff jasper]

You might try collector tots, since collector only return you maximum 2, but 8 firewall nade with tots

[untold hearth]

Ok so I'ma throw alot out here so bare in mind with what I'm about to put up. I'm gonna do things in order, a lot of questioning, I just need a piece of mind after grinding for 9 hours on my day off 😅 lol

I finally finally, finished in my POV perfecting my striker build just especially for the incursion. Grupo chest with obliterate is a definite must. So to me this was worth it.

Someone told me however on the last part on incursion that Foxes Prayers is a must. In this photo, now it's hard for me to believe the guy but then again I can't say for how many times he's done it more than me like everyone else. But he states this is better for the last part, now is that considered true??? Or wouldn't a Grupo or Cheska Piece be more better???

Another thing is healer build, so I was TOLD this was fine for me to use and that Technician is better than survivalist. Because the specialization gives the 1 Skill Tier.
But I did a Test and I don't get the overcharge from the Gloves.
So is this really considered a point to use a technician for this healer build on Incursion???

Now I grinded to work on my survivalist today and with this, even after finally getting this backpack. After testing it, I end up getting the Overcharge!! So wouldn't Survivalist be just better to use in Incursion?? In general? Rather then using Technician 🧐

So please someone just help ease my mind with all of this. Thank you in advance.

Please Read 🙏🏻

[glossy scarab]

do you know how to overcharge with the gloves/hive?

[untold hearth]

I did it in the shooting range

Wait fuck now my 5am brain is thinking did I do it right lol

[urban latch]

For general use, most people prefer obliterate over strikers chest, but in the incursion you'll want the strikers chest for sure.

Ceska slightly wins out over grupo or other options, but the difference is very small.

Foxes is absolutely not required, especially because it slightly loses out to ceska. Many people still say it is because they don't bother to actually math out the difference.

[glossy scarab]

yup. foxes loses out by like a few thousand per crit. not a big deal

[urban latch]

Generally survivalist is better for healers, mainly for the fire grenades, but in the incursion for lovebirds you'll definitely want technician. Check that you've got your spec tree filled out and have the +1 skill tier perk.

You should be getting OC regardless of your skill tiers, it's your group that gets OC when you have skill tier 6

It might have just been on cooldown when you tried it before with technician

Also setup > Alps bag

[untold hearth]

Ok cuz I got the Grupo chest because my chc is already at like 50%. Striker chest is forsure good.

The foxes part I can agree and was wondering to double check asking anyone here. I have a pair of knees for Grupo & Cheska, rather than using Foxes but thank you for that part

[untold hearth]

Probably this, it's nearly 5am so 🧠 went ☠️

[urban latch]

I wouldn't assume you have the mid buff during the incursion. Every fight is ideally fought at close range, imo you'll want to be right up at 60% chc

[untold hearth]

I'm gonna have to check again

Later tho lol

[vestal ibex]

OC is a 2 minute global cooldown for whoever gets it and there is no way to bypass or shorten it.

Well from BTSU.

[untold hearth]

I'll keep that in mind

[untold hearth]

@urban latch overall tho technician throughout incursion would be better than survivalist?? Like mine I have currently ☝🏻

[vestal ibex]

Tech is just very good for the last fight because of Martinez and her EMP grenade. Otherwise it provides no benefits thru the incursion.

[glossy scarab]

if others are running survivalist you shouldnt have to

[cunning crag]

im shd level 146

[urban latch]

And survivalist doesn't really provide a ton anyways, so it's not really worth having another loadout for it

[cunning crag]

and able to do heroic content solo- am i confirmed chad now ?

still need a proper "end-game" build, farming summit for HB parts

[glossy scarab]

dont badmouth yourself with foul insults

[cunning crag]

but honestly, bullet king + Strikers Battlegear + Coyotes mask = ez mode

[vestal ibex]

Solo heroic is not hard at all tbh.

[cunning crag]

emelines guard secondary is pretty based with the crusader shield

YES IT IS OK IM AMAZING AT THIS GAME

but rogue agents op

[vestal ibex]

4 man challenging enemies have more health than solo heroic btw

[cunning crag]

haha yeah

i once did a legendary, got absolutely carried, surprisingly no one was toxic

[untold hearth]

@cunning crag this ☝🏻

[untold hearth]

. ☝🏻

Now I'm sleeping cuz 5am I'm dead now 💤

[shy willow]

Bullet king is less than ideal gotta get yourself an elmos

[vestal ibex]

Eh most people aren't toxic and usually the people with the worst builds and least contributions are the most toxic.

[glossy scarab]

if you like bullet king get yourself a gr9 with steady handed, practically no reloading and much better handling and damage

[untold hearth]

So I couldn't sleep thinking about it. So I got online to doubled check the dam thing works. And holy shit it still works with this regardless my 1 blue core 😅.

Now I can sleep in peace knowing that it can actually work doing OC. Thanks again 👍🏻

[untold hearth]

Definitely keeping my SETUP lol

[tawdry flare]

Real Chad's uses sleigher double barrel

[dusk panther]

Should I re-roll the attribute to DTTOC or keep it and change the talent to Flatline for a full red Heartbreaker build?

[fallen comet]

Farm a better one to be honest

[magic pilot]

5 directions next

[tawdry flare]

5 directives legendary summit

[flint wave]

10 directive leg summit

[tawdry flare]

With sleigher and broomstick

[fallen comet]

And the backup broom

[astral kraken]

Fox's? Let me introduce you to... The Bloody Striker...

[alpine sorrel]

Anybody got a pvp build for eagle bearer or st Elmo’s a striker set

[vestal ibex]

Yeah this is a pretty common setup but it's a bit harder for new players to have a bloody knuckles.

[tawdry flare]

Why lol I dropped 3 like in the past week

[tawdry flare]

Nice build

[astral kraken]

johnson didn't like it

[vestal ibex]

Your luck=/=others luck.

[tawdry flare]

Well I don't have luck now since I can't play the game

[magic pilot]

Check pinned sheet

[flint wave]

looks like the key thing ur missing is obliterate chest talent

adds 25% total weapon damage after stacks

[urban latch]

Which is pretty expected when your new, so it's not a huge deal.

[delicate wigeon]

I was gonna put that on but need resources

[urban latch]

But that's the one main missing piece for the build

Just to be clear though, don't waste materials on optimizing anything on this build

[astral kraken]

honestly this build should still slap in solo heroic

[tawdry flare]

Also you can go gunner spec for a bit for survivability

[delicate wigeon]

Why not @urban latch ? I've spent like 7 hours farming for this gear

[tawdry flare]

Also have you invested into ar

From spec

[astral kraken]

i like tech spec for that build. makes shield stronger.

[urban latch]

The old school material farming method is to go to the solar farm control point and explore the areas around there and to the west. There's a high number of resources you can loot around there

[tawdry flare]

Roll on your gun is dttoc?

[delicate wigeon]

I've got this technician for the double shield health

[flint wave]

Because optimizing is painfully expensive

[delicate wigeon]

This is the best gear I got in hours. Why would I need upgrade it tho?

[astral kraken]

once you get comfortable with heroic that gear you spent 7 hours farming for will be obtainable in 45 mins tops

with better rolls

[flint wave]

you probably don't but I bet you have low chc rolls

[tawdry flare]

Ahh sorry to disappoint you shield is not for tanking it is for just to help keep you buffed up for talent like vigilance and gc and stuff

[delicate wigeon]

How will I get better rolls? I farmed this gear from challenging countdown

[flint wave]

rng

[delicate wigeon]

I don't use the shield for tanking. I use it to survive when I'm being flanked

[urban latch]

The weapons are good. If you have damage to targets out if cover already on the st elmos then that can be worth optimizing, but it's a low priority. If anything else is on the third attribute do not optimize it. Strikers can be improved easier by farming better ones and recalibrating one of its two stats. The ceska will ultimately need to be replaced, so any optimizing materials you invest will go to waste

[tawdry flare]

By completing your revcalibration Library

[delicate wigeon]

That's what I've been doing. But I need resources to put the recalibration in my gear

[flint wave]

I learned the hard way that optimizing a Stat that you can recalibrate won't let you recalibrate that stat anymore on that gear piece

[tawdry flare]

You don't need resources for extracting afaik

[flint wave]

except the item that has the Stat you are trying to extract

[delicate wigeon]

I'm just confused. U guys saying I need perticular stats. Yet saying I shouldnt optimize. But I need to optimise to put the stats on the wrapon

[tawdry flare]

Yeah that item idc about

[tawdry flare]

Let's start from the beginning

First on gear set in general recalibration is better