td2-build-advice

[rich lotus]

Is elmos or bluescreen better for strikers

[hazy steeple]

Elmo by far.

[rich lotus]

I'll switch to ouroboros if I get it before it gets powerecreeped

[hazy steeple]

Powercreeped is fine, but if they go the EB (Eagle Bearer) route, then it's getting nerfed into the ground.

[cerulean smelt]

possibly 5 hour maintence is nerfing it stealthily XD

[hazy steeple]

The irony that Elmo was the top queen of guns for the brief period until Oreo dropped is just....you gotta appreciate it.

[rich lotus]

So my 86k damage elmo is the meta?

[hazy steeple]

Well it's a meta.
a good high-end AR with a proper DPS talent is just as good, if not better.
but Elmo is very easy to throw on there without any work.

[rich lotus]

My other option is the burn out

[hazy steeple]

Love me some named famas.
regular famas, police m4, carbine 7, all work fine.
just make sure they have dtooc (damage to target out of cover) as their 3rd attribute, and something like Strained for the Talent.
or just use Elmo, it's great.

[rich lotus]

Is backfire good? I see hype videos on it a lot

[thin patrol]

Yes, I like it

[fallen comet]

No

[vestal phoenix]

My build is a glass cannon

Uses it years ago and now still using it after returning to the game lolw

[shy willow]

Backfire isn't crazy by any means but I hear with hazpro it's pretty good

[grizzled garnet]

there any pestilence pve builds that are fun to use while still being good

[tame flax]

pesti always good

[hazy steeple]

I mean, Pesti isn't awful, but "good" is a stretch.

[shy willow]

It's usable but it's not that good

[hazy steeple]

Don't forget, the procs on it don't count as status, just weapon damage.
and its own bonus damage doesn't work with the bonus damage on strikers stacks.

[tame flax]

pesti really good

[eager scroll]

with current expertise we are back to pre wony status: We do way too much dmg for current content. It's just not that apparent because devs learned and making oneshots more difficult compared to lvl 30 days.

Pesti is not bad. Was well balanced. We just have new guns like elmo or ouroboros, which are easy to use and way stronger.

The newly added stuff is just too strong. Difficulty has not really increased since wony release but our dmg went up significantly. People have started to think of the good old full high-end providence crit builds as average if not weak. Builds that were the pinacle of dmg at wony release and did not get any nervs.

[fervent wharf]

So prov dps builds are kinda obsolete? What replaced them? Striker?

I'm just returning to the game, trying to catch up on all the changes

[eager scroll]

not obsolete, they still work. Striker is just so much better now thanks to its buff.

current meta is something like st. elmo + coyote mask + ceska chest with obliterate and rest striker i think

till this day i do not know why they buffed striker that much.

[fervent wharf]

Div 1 nostaligia I guess

I always ran the prov but I think I have the striker pieces for that build

Will give it a go

[eager scroll]

if not, select targeted loot stiker and run countdown. 15 min runtime for like 30 targeted loot and 30 other loot.

if you are sure run it on heroic, if you like it without any stress (cause of potential bad group) run it on challenging.

[hazy steeple]

Challenging and Heroic Countdown isn't quite as cut and dry as the rest of the game.
Loot quality in Chall' there is like "heroic minus" and Heroic is basically "heroic plus plus".
So whatever you run, it's still worth it.

It's all due to the weird scaling that Countdown has.

[eager scroll]

but if you are not into repetetiv and monoton content do countdown in moderation. Have seen to many people overdoing it and needing a break from the game.

[neat iris]

i barely touch CD at all anymore.... even if gear isnt on target anywhere..... id rather do summit even if that also is reptitive but yeah..... CD not my fav tbh.

[shy willow]

Summit is extremely repetitive then again so is countdown

[neat iris]

CD just feels like x2 compared cuz its faster, i guess

[hazy steeple]

Quantity of Loot vs Quality of Loot, basically.

I overall prefer Summit too, I just like playing alone.

[eager scroll]

fast and potenially stressfull cb vs a bit more variation and better loot without stress in summit

and the good old preference of many div2 players to play solo true XD

[shy willow]

I really should go back and do a run again

Got to floor 100 killed both the hunters but died to fire spawned on a locked door could get the mask and never touched it again

[neat iris]

always enjoyed the game more in group, not necessarily 4 man but atleast one more player to do stuff with

[shy willow]

Solo the game just feels a little empty

Even when no mic the company is nice

[hazy steeple]

It's not for everyone, but I've put 90% of my time into both divs as solo and I don't regret it.

[neat iris]

indeed

[eager scroll]

i do like playing together more than alone too. Clans is like the only indisputable improvement comparing div 1 and div 2. Even if it could be implemented better, it is at least there. All while not snubbing the sizable "solo" playerbase of div2. (I think at one point they stated like 50-70% of playtime was achived solo before wony)

[grand vector]

if i dont play with my clan i play solo, relying on random people is a chore in this game when some dude comes in with a striker drone, a deflector shield and 8 blue cores

no matter what i ever matchmake for theres always the guy with the proficiency farm build in the group

[eager scroll]

more like they never learned to properly create a build. You can do way to many things and the explanations are kind of lacking. And constantly adding new gear is not helping to make it easier to understand. Current striker meta is at least beneficial in that regard as you cannot really ruine it. Even rolled blue striker will do at least some dmg.

[forest forum]

I don't mind random groups, all more to add ppl to play with. Not to mention you get a lot of invites once you build up a good bit.

[shy willow]

Most DC content you can just one man army it for your squad anyway

[forest forum]

Definitely surprised to find out CD can be one of them

[shy willow]

Countdown will have 2 or 3 people just hard carrying the entire thing most of the time

[grand vector]

me running my expertise 20 ouroboros with strikers, perfect glass cannon and perfect vigilance:

i pray every time we reach the final hunters

its not living if its not on the edge

[forest forum]

Oh i bet you're loving your gear. Glass cannon great.

[grand vector]

i only run it just to feel something

[forest forum]

I meant i was surprised to find you can do CD solo. Misunderstood what you meant.

[shy willow]

You can just maybe not on challenging

[grand vector]

i tried running normal glass on grupo chest instead with ceska bp but pgc 5% extra amp somehow outdamages the 15% extra chd from grupo

ive done it on normal and hard but challenging idk about that one

[shy willow]

As a solo or group?

[grand vector]

solo

in group i just run heroic countdown

[grizzled garnet]

its near enough complete :3

[grand vector]

how did u pull 97 million

almost 98

[grizzled garnet]

ngl. idk

[hazy steeple]

#regulusthings

[grizzled garnet]

i held lefty, threw a nade, got the debuff, that special pulse that gives a zone to shoot, shot with regulus, ???, profit

[grand vector]

ah okay that makes sense

[grizzled garnet]

build from @tepid trout (sorry to ping again)

[toxic vessel]

guys how do i improve mt build

[grand vector]

Is this a pvp build or what

[fallen comet]

stop using chameleon

[fickle light]

drop chameleon, make sure all your attributes are chc till ~55% and then everythin else should be CHD

[grand vector]

yes that, replace petrov for fenris/grupo, farm better pieces so u can get more chc and chd. And what aspect said basically yes

and absolutely not chameleon, a police m4 or a famas is better already

[fickle light]

check the pins of this channel for a spreadsheet, in that spreadsheet there is a guide to a striker build

[grand vector]

ST Elmos Engine would be the best AR tho if you can get your hands on that

Way too many stats, makes building this build with enough chc really easy

[rich lotus]

What did y'all say I want on my ceska chest for strikers

[fickle light]

obliterate probably

[fervent wharf]

obliterate

[grand vector]

obliterate

glass cannon if ur feeling really confident

unbreakable if youre feeling NOT confident

[flint wave]

glass cannon🛌 🛌 🛌

[grand vector]

i suicide for damage and kills

its always worth it

[rich lotus]

Even in incursions?

[flint wave]

Just run revive hive

[hazy steeple]

For the Incursion, you can swap the ceska chest out for a strikers, and go for holster/gloves/knees as ceska instead.

[rich lotus]

Glass cannon it is

[hazy steeple]

Strikers chest is technically stronger, but hard to maintain in most content.

[fervent wharf]

i haven't ran the incursion yet but yeah, most people i've spoken to swap the ceska obliterate to striker chest in the incursion

[rich lotus]

Should I build true patriot I see it a lot

[flint wave]

probably not

[grand vector]

Im the designated tank/healer in incursion

[fervent wharf]

depends on what you're looking to do with it. i don't think it's the most optimal but if you are just running casually there are a few fun builds. I sometimes run a TP with overwatch/opportunistic build with scorpio to buff my team

[urban latch]

For the incursion you definitely want the strikers chest

[fervent wharf]

again it's not the most optimal but adds a little variety

[flint wave]

I only use chest on the bosses

[grand vector]

if i run dps i do run pgc pvigi always thats how i got my flawless incursion

[tawdry flare]

Pgc << strikers chest in incursion imo

[flint wave]

pgc 😭

[tawdry flare]

I only run regular gc mostly

[grand vector]

im the tank or healer on bosses, i dont run it there

so i wouldnt know

probably true!

[tawdry flare]

Pgc for mortar oxi and st. Elmo nego buuld

[grand vector]

i run strikers ouroboros

[tawdry flare]

With strikers chest I presume

[grand vector]

on truck defense/first area, no

prefer the damage up front

rather than the stacking

on bosses it makes sense

[tawdry flare]

It doesn't take much to stack with an acs tbh

[grand vector]

I do not use that garbage gun

i do not need to stack when i have almost full stacks in 5 seconds with ouroboros

[tawdry flare]

Bruh it is definitely not garbage

[grand vector]

it absolutely is, i can just kill things in 1 mag with ouro without having to stack

saves me a load of time on everything

[tawdry flare]

Mhhh I use lefty for multipurpose

So might as well stack with it

[grand vector]

I have lefty in case my team doesnt do the sledging

but i wont use it for stacking ever

besides, top damage pgc and vigi is the same as striker chest and backpack

[tawdry flare]

I just don't use ouro outside of incursions cause it's just broken make the game feel boring

[flint wave]

ur telling me u don't stack on wright?

[grand vector]

no need, i reach the same peak faster

[tawdry flare]

Nope

[tawdry flare]

Definitely wrong there

[grand vector]

it is, ive tested it multiple times

[tawdry flare]

Ouro can't match acs stacking

It definitely can't

DMG I know go watch dod video he has broken down the maths

[grand vector]

i dont use acs chest bp build because it takes too long to do actual damage

[tawdry flare]

The boss is immune so it doesn't matter cause that time you do 0 dmg

Outside of incursion you make a point

But wright and lovebirds nope

[grand vector]

sorry, my bad, whenever i tested the strikers chest bp vs pgc vigi, at max stacks, chest bp did about 10k more damage on crit headshot

[rich lotus]

I'm new what's pgc vigi

[tawdry flare]

Perfect glass cannon and vigilance

[grand vector]

Perfect Glass Cannon, Vigilance

[tawdry flare]

Also if you have fi healer

[grand vector]

All my pieces are maxed, so I dont need to take that into consideration either

[tawdry flare]

Vigi buff is weak comparitively vs striker bag and fi

[urban latch]

The difference is definitely bigger than that.... Part of the reason for the acs is building to max stacks with the chest, but even without it the acs is still worth using

[grand vector]

ill test it again tomorrow cause yall never used the build and dont believe it ever

show you the differences

[tawdry flare]

I will never lower my dps when it is not needed

If you have said focused striker I would have believed lol

[grand vector]

i can be dead for 2 minutes on the floor and ill still have more total damage than a chest bp user

[bronze hound]

what

[tawdry flare]

Definitely wrong

[grand vector]

if anything my dua legendary with Nug proved that

[bronze hound]

zero buffs i do 1.2 mil a shot

how much do you do

[grand vector]

😳

[tawdry flare]

You died and he didn't so you lose

[bronze hound]

ayla how much per shot

[flint wave]

average glass cannon user

[grand vector]

1.1 mil ish

[tawdry flare]

Don't say that gc is good

[grand vector]

You conveniently forget i doubled his kills and damage

[flint wave]

I hate gc

[bronze hound]

1.1 with GC?

[tawdry flare]

But you died so game over

[grand vector]

not really cause the game respawns you

[tawdry flare]

If you were solo

[bronze hound]

mate i doubled your kills with a sniper build on 140ms ping you have no room to talk

[tawdry flare]

At the start

[urban latch]

The chest assuming both max stacks is 50% more damage, where pgc is 30% and has the downside of you taking more damage. That's a significant difference

[bronze hound]

and no determined*

[tawdry flare]

I did more DMG

[bronze hound]

no gc btw

[bronze hound]

either that or i overflowed twice

[grand vector]

I solod the same mission in 14 minutes i dont need ur negative damage commentary

[tawdry flare]

Definitely not

[bronze hound]

ok mister half my kills

[tawdry flare]

That I can agree but if you can do it with my potato PC I will admit defeat

[grand vector]

dying literally doesnt matter when u literally outdamage everyone by a mile and u only have to clean up 3 adds

[bronze hound]

doesnt make the build better btw js

[grand vector]

but yall are stuck in some terrible "i didnt die so i did better" attitude

[urban latch]

But your literally not out damaging the chest...

[grand vector]

if someone dies while they murder basically everything, their death is worth it

[tawdry flare]

Tell that to me I killed and sucided at the same time in public execution

Due to 1s ping

[bronze hound]

doing less damage + dying more often = better build

[tawdry flare]

3 headshot enemies didn't give a fuck

[grand vector]

but oh nyo i died!!! i only MURDERED

[bronze hound]

ayla

[grand vector]

absolutely everything

[bronze hound]

youre outright ignoring the damage concept

[tawdry flare]

Let's move to the crucial part of striker chest

[bronze hound]

youre saying youre doing enough damage, which while true, the argument that youre doing the most is false

[tawdry flare]

With simple maths here

Ayla your build please

[grand vector]

no, im always doing most cause i dont build up as much

[bronze hound]

???

[tawdry flare]

4pcs striker +gift and sacrifice?

[bronze hound]

youre not doing the most in terms of every build out there, no

[grand vector]

yes, with ouroboros

[tawdry flare]

Ok all mods chd ?

[grand vector]

yes

[bronze hound]

hell my build using forge does more damage per shot

[tawdry flare]

41+10+12=63 CHC

[bronze hound]

which is an automatic proof

[urban latch]

We're specifically talking about the incursion, where you can build to max stacks right at the start of every fight with an acs

Or at least we were....

[bronze hound]

• if youre going quick in missions you wont even lose stacks that your OB cant restack up

[grand vector]

at max stacks in the right opportunities, you do more damage

[bronze hound]

what opportunities make 1.1 more than 1.2

because i dont think numbers work that way

[grand vector]

its not realistic to keep up all 200 stacks at all times is all

[bronze hound]

with ouro? yes it is

[tawdry flare]

In incursion it is possible

[urban latch]

In the incursion it really is

[bronze hound]

with ouro i have no problems keeping 200

[grand vector]

in incursion it is and in raid it is

But those are the one offs

[bronze hound]

even outside that

[urban latch]

Which is what we were discussing....

[tawdry flare]

Legendary 4person too

Also sometimes pgc bypasses one shot protection

[bronze hound]

can confirm this ^

[grand vector]

i mean we can go legendary 4man and ill just outdamage you over the entire mission regardless cause I just suicide for damage and kills

thats what the hive is for

[bronze hound]

so in other words youre doing enough damage but not more

[grand vector]

im doing overall most, maybe not more on a single shot

[bronze hound]

youre throwing in hundreds of variables we arent referencing

[grand vector]

but that doesnt really matter

[bronze hound]

we said the build not playstyle

[grand vector]

yeah, mathematically strikers chest and bp is the correct way

[bronze hound]

so you agree then lol

[grand vector]

i always did

[bronze hound]

because thats literally what weve been saying this whole time

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch thanks for the support 🫂

[grand vector]

all i was saying is that pgc vigi is a whole diff playstyle over chest bp

and imo the better playstyle cause it does more

but thats opinion pieces

if we go by the maths, your chest bp is better

[tawdry flare]

It does more is entirely situational

And is determined by stacks

[urban latch]

We were talking about a specific situation because someone asked about the incursion, where it's pretty clear the strikers chest and backpack is the way to go

[tawdry flare]

Also heroic countdown too

Cause off the NPCs tankiness

[grand vector]

in my experience if you find both builds in the same group, the pgc vigi will always do more kills and more damage cause its just doing more up front and has less ramp up. but again, thats just opinions i think?

[urban latch]

And tbf, you also started talking about the incursion, which is why people started disagreeing with you

[bronze hound]

in a perfect scenario this game is 100% maths so striker chest/bp is indefinitely better. anything less than that and you can just work for it lol

[tawdry flare]

Dev has said her argument no arguing or ban incoming

[glossy scarab]

yo. this discussion has made enough circles. its already come back around, dont make it go around all over again.

[grand vector]

for add control on truck i still prefer pgc vigi, just kills faster overall for me and im not relying on holding stacks

[fallow field]

what does pgc stand for?

[grand vector]

perfect glass cannon

[tawdry flare]

Dev Power's activated by Eevee :insert gigachad emoji :

[grand vector]

the coolest talent in the game

[bronze hound]

pfucking gawful ctalent

[grand vector]

based

I love it though

made me play the game better overall

I got better at avoiding damage since I use it, up until the point i go for the suicide hail mary

[tawdry flare]

One of the best talent no argument there

[grand vector]

its always a 50/50 you see

50% chance i get out alive, 50% chance im on the floor, 100% chance i kill a lot of people

Next step is using PGC Vigi in hardcore

[urban latch]

If your going down that much then no it's not worth it lol

[bronze hound]

thats a lot of dead

you should not be down that often wow

[grand vector]

It is absolutely worth it

[bronze hound]

going down that often youre quite a liability

[grand vector]

refer to screenshot i posted 20 minutes ago

depends you see

[bronze hound]

you didnt post a screenshot 20 minutes ago

[grand vector]

Are my teammates good enough to clear the stragglers?

[bronze hound]

you havent posted a picture in this server since oct 31

[grand vector]

My bad that thing just didnt send

I just scrolled back up and it was still "sending" so i sent it again

this was when i played with nug for damage and kills, he was doing chest and backpack strikers, i was doing pgc vigi

i was just ultra aggro and dying for kills and damage

[bronze hound]

so youre not factoring in playstyle

[grand vector]

in that screenshot playstyle is definitely the factor

its not about the maths that makes the difference

[bronze hound]

so theres no matter of comparing builds then

[grand vector]

Exactly

[bronze hound]

if youre comparing the best players in the game it definitely is

[grand vector]

yes

but theres really few players in this game that are that good

[bronze hound]

dont say it dont say it dont say it

[grand vector]

im not one of them lmao

in the end its about how hard youre willing to go to achieve the end result

[fallow field]

any tips on how to improve my build?

[grand vector]

Just a crit chance mod probably

[fallow field]

ive been looking at striker but all im reading is if you cant keep stacks its better to not run it

[grand vector]

if you run a weapon with like 900+ rpm, like Elmos for example has 978 with Strikers, then you're fine

[fallow field]

in the proces of getting oro

ill be replacing the famas with that

[grand vector]

Oro is good cause it has a lot of reload speed innately on the smg. If you factor in the extra handling from strikers its definitely one sick beast

[fallow field]

time to farm strikers in that case

[bronze hound]

HE DPS is kind of outdated

[grand vector]

Oro with strikers has a bunch of flavours

[bronze hound]

i wouldnt run it at all tbh

[fallow field]

i just came back to the game xD

[drowsy heart]

well this is most likely out of date, any ideas on updating it?

[grand vector]

I also dont know which red stat you chose in your watch

[bronze hound]

mate if you want the honest opinion that was never in date

pick a build in the spreadsheet pinned in this channel to farm for

[grand vector]

I just go chc first always cause its the hardest stat to come by

[magic pilot]

Make sure you are running crit chance mods on your guns besides the magazine and everything is chc/chd on gear that's about it

[bronze hound]

not hardest just most important

[grand vector]

Yeah that too

Except on my hardcore I went WD

Cause im running hotshot almost exclusively

So that crit chance kinda useless there

Kinda wish aces did more damage than hotshot since its less safe than Hotshot

[urban latch]

It's a solid raid build

[fallow field]

now on 57% chc should be enough right?

[grand vector]

Nice, thats enough yeah

[bronze hound]

id still change to striker

[grand vector]

What Eevee says

[fallow field]

ill use this to farm for striker then

[grand vector]

Striker for dps is just way too good

[fallow field]

and slap that on once i get oro

[bronze hound]

striker used to be utter dogshit

[grand vector]

I remember using it on wony launch

It used to stack on corpses

[urban latch]

Striker is obviously good, but I think a lot of people are overrating it like it's the only thing worth running. I'd still run HE builds in most raid situations

[fallow field]

all i needed to hear ❤️

[grand vector]

Striker is especially good in raids tho, especially the chest backpack combo

[fallow field]

what does HE stand for? (sorry for all the questions haha forgot 90% of all the lingo)

[tulip charm]

High End

[grand vector]

High-End yes

[urban latch]

High end, basically not a green gearset build

[fallow field]

ah high end gear instead of sets

gotcha

thanks all imma get back to it ❤️

[magic pilot]

I agree. Most of IH is puzzles and most of DH is running

As far as casual runs go

[tepid trout]

Lol

[bronze hound]

Which striker would work fine in

[magic pilot]

Need Habsburg bp

[rich lotus]

What specialization do I want with strikers

[urban latch]

Even speedruns, none of the roles striker is used in are things people would expect lol. There's more roles for 3p strikers, and the only 4p striker setup is a headhunter setup lol

[magic pilot]

Personal preference

[rich lotus]

I'm assuming gunner but I don't have those three unlocked yet

[magic pilot]

I think strikers would work well in raid if everyone is experienced and they are getting through the stages fast, not even "speedrun" per say but yea you are right

[abstract badge]

x/x for every striker

[magic pilot]

Gunner/firewall is best. Demo and survivalist aren't bad

Some use tech for the skill tier and dmg to skill proxy's

[rich lotus]

Am I wasting my time building striker? What should I build then? I'm a destiny 2 pro but a complete scrub here

[flint wave]

no

[magic pilot]

No strikers is top build for single target dps

[abstract badge]

for the 'wasd'

[abstract badge]

Yuh

[bronze hound]

striker is one of the top builds yeah

[abstract badge]

I could Decon a new exotic I hate the hyena assault rifle cook x vector's eh

Nooo but yes right

[rich lotus]

Bro what

[drowsy heart]

ok my build is so outdated, its squishy af... any ideas?

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned Google doc. Looks like your basically looking for the hunters fury guide

Set that up, and instead of running any foundry, you'll just recalibrate whatever number of cores to armor you feel comfortable with.

[drowsy heart]

thanks

[torn ore]

Do I gotta go all armor?

[gentle lichen]

Much as you can

[torn ore]

Oof, guess imma have to find new gear

[magic pilot]

4-6 blue is standard for most dz builds

Conflict more players run 2-3

[torn ore]

Imma try running 3

[tulip umbra]

what is the best 3rd stat on the ouroboros

is it damage to targets out of cover or armor?

[blissful rampart]

damage to out of cover for guns, always

[abstract badge]

Gear going to look fine on paper 26k+

Or 36 ider

[tulip charm]

What?

[abstract badge]

Where am I finding cores?

[tulip charm]

What are you talking about?

[abstract badge]

7head ur mom

[tulip charm]

??????

[fallen comet]

Had a stroke reading

[abstract badge]

Over? This town we cross dress Mr 🙈

[austere bluff]

do i reconfig this or just grind for optimization

[vestal ibex]

Use it as is and don't grind optimization materials yet, just play and work on builds, it's better time spent.

[abstract badge]

A reconfigure for 20 days ahead isnt pointless for a weapon

[shy basalt]

it is pointless, especially when the weapon is already rolled correctly

[abstract badge]

1 roll till mad 2 won't hurt

Shit weapon

[abstract badge]

Show us the side piece mr

[austere bluff]

what side piece?

sorry kinda new to this

[abstract badge]

Third piece thigh ?

[abstract badge]

Trace rolled 🐍

[austere bluff]

u mean the holster?

[fallen comet]

Im having trouble understanding lol

[glossy scarab]

i read that too fast and thought it said "im having trouble standing"

[magic pilot]

He's trolling

[drowsy heart]

is going all or mostly blue cores a good idea?

[hexed steppe]

No, not for pve anyways. Using cover is more efficient and allows you to keep damage high.
Best defense is a good offense

[tulip charm]

Kill everything before they kill you type of ordeal.

[drowsy heart]

even with a shield?

also what about yellow cores are they worth having any of?

[hexed steppe]

So dps is gonna be red cores or you'll be squishy and low damage.
One way to build in a little survivability will be taking advantage of memento. Itll give 2 shield cores while retaining its red core. Using tech spec will give another free yellow for shield. With tech artificer can be used and left on Back to repair shield passively every 10 seconds.

You can also explore heartbreaker or hunters fury as both incorporate a little armor on kill or bonus armor depending on which set you're looking at

[drowsy heart]

ok

[fallen comet]

Lol

[cerulean smelt]

FYI: they added a small mechanic when your shield breaks you'll be staggered confused so getting in cover will prove difficult if it breaks and you're not near cover

[drowsy heart]

yeah i've just dealt with that, if feels like shields just break instantly too

[cerulean smelt]

2 ways to increase teh shield HP and that's armor cores or skill tiers or mix of both

[abstract badge]

Turret sniper vs concussion grenade

[fallen comet]

Apples and oranges, or some shit like that

[drowsy heart]

right, so get momento and use tech then in my case

[cerulean smelt]

🤷 sure but you'll still lose your shield at some point anyways if you're really depending on it

[flint wave]

airburst seeker mine vs defender drone

[hexed steppe]

Skill health as well iirc

[cerulean smelt]

well, yeah. sounds like they're using a shield with no armor or skill tiers so they lose thier shields quickly

[hexed steppe]

Most ppl using a tier0 shield and 6red cores

The problem isnt the shield being weak, the problem is the cover game being weak...

[dreamy valve]

I find a decoy more useful than tier 0 shield

[hexed steppe]

I agree, shield isnt necessary at all. Same with revive hive

[cerulean smelt]

i'm an idiot. revive is necessary

[hexed steppe]

Why? I personally never use it... also cool skills renders it pretty useless if running any other skil at all

[cerulean smelt]

i don't use cool skills, but i'll either push too hard and get in a spot i can't get out of or i start something open world and get a lot more friends to join

[orchid cloud]

sweet roll just optimize health dmg, not much of a big deal

[hexed steppe]

I pretty much always run directives to increase shd/hr . Ig you dont mm much. Most lobby I get into are running directives. The key is kinda not to go blls deep and get surrounded.

[flint wave]

I perma disable revive hives daily with my backup calls

[cerulean smelt]

i get that. sometimes i push to kill them annoying suicide drones, grenadiers or medics

[onyx sage]

i run shield because binoculars

[forest forum]

Be a great time to jump in countdown to grab those exotics for your builds! Getting them like crazy today! Everybody on fire!

[bronze hound]

what

[fickle light]

thats not hard to understand tho?

[bronze hound]

brain farted didnt understand i get it now

[forest forum]

Whoa, didn't think I'd pick an lady death from CD!

[vestal marlin]

I think I need to do more countdown to bring my proficiencies up

The exotic components are a bonus

[west kiln]

got my first ever elmos 🙏

[flint wave]

cool

[cerulean smelt]

it's not god rolled. deconstruct it 😜

[hexed steppe]

Crafting > reconfigure blueprint if you ever want to try for damage to targets out of cover for 3rd attribute . Not a bad roll tho for first drop

[west kiln]

oh yeh ofc

keeping my banshee on for now

[keen venture]

anybody know of good tank/damage builds?

[west kiln]

no dtooc yet but ill take the chc

[vestal marlin]

What build is recommended if I want to farm experience on overworld with multiple directives?

I ask because I would typically do a skill build where I set the striker drone and turret out to do my dirty work but I feel it isn't optimal

[onyx sage]

4p hotshot or regulus/d50 headhunter

[vestal marlin]

Ty! I will look into it.

[onyx sage]

regulus/d50 builds (just replace regulus with d50 if you don't have regulus), sniper setups with hotshot

[hexed steppe]

if you run gunner on the sniper hotshot setup you wont really have to worry about mmr ammo even with pistolero active

[vestal marlin]

Oh very nice. And is using Achilles pulse important for these builds?

[hexed steppe]

no, at no skill tier and without someone to overcharge its kinda meh

determined hh hotshot will be more than enough to hit 27-28mil with white death at top end

[vestal marlin]

Interesting, ok I may try that too then. I recently got the white death bp from descent

[hexed steppe]

decoy is useful. i normally just run a turret and drone to kinda take some of the armor off things

[vestal marlin]

What about robot dogs and things like that?

[hexed steppe]

determined will consider them a headshot once they explode. but it will spend headhunter proc so youll want to target something with lower health or a red or purple to get hh rolling again

same with minitanks

anything that has a helmet, even a red bar will take your full proc tho. hyena rushers are particularly a pita. i usually roll outcast/true suns cp then reset if just working xp

most of the time a second shot is enough to kill the helmet npc after the helmet is destroyed

[vestal marlin]

Is regulus able to one shot through everything with a helmet?

[onyx sage]

no, it still only hits the helmet

[hexed steppe]

for healer, is it better to have repair skills, haste, or can i pop in pfe mods.

idk i just went haste mods and repair on gear since i had max repair rolls and max haste mods available. im pretty sure this what everyone runs/suggests for the most part.

[astral kraken]

Yea. The two values you should be looking at are Ammo Cooldown for your launcher (3x haste mods gives you 4 seconds which can be useful), Ally Repair for chem launcher (should be like 1.2m), and Healing for hive.

If teammates are squishy red builds then 1.2m healing is overkill so that's where it's okay to start swapping in other mods if you really really want.

But I've never found any value in PFE mods for healing since aggro is never on me unless I aggro by proximity in which case just run away.

My hive heals for 376k so I know it'll take 2 charges to fully heal a teammate. With 36 charges I'm getting 18 full heals which is usually more than enough.

[hexed steppe]

im at 85% haste. setup blueprint came in useful XD

[astral kraken]

You'll wanna run Tech spec for incursion heals btw per @urban latch's advice. I tried it recently and it does work for sure (Faraday perk)

[hexed steppe]

oh for faraday

yeah i can save 2 versions

[astral kraken]

Yea for the last stage. People can get disrupted.

Doesn't happen every time but when it does a wipe is likely.

For Wright, if I'm running with a good team (and they want a healer - which some don't) I'll swap out chem launcher for something else like decoy. Ends up being more useful when dealing with chungas mid-late stage. The only real value in heals during Wright is recovering from his pulse attack.

For a more novice team you'll want the chem launcher to supplement your hive running out constantly 😛

[hexed steppe]

gotcha. i made a second faraday build with an armor rolled setup . thank you 💯 , i probably would have just rolled survivalist otherwise

[astral kraken]

I did for a while as well till Raucey hooked me up with that knowledge

We wiped occasionally and had no idea why. Ran the same strat again and it was perfect

Were like wtf...

[hexed steppe]

we stand on the shoulders of giants

[slate wedge]

yeah this or pfe mods

[fathom wyvern]

Is the difference between normal and perfect adrenline rush noticeable (for pvp)?

[magic pilot]

I got my bp from descent😭

[rich lotus]

Y'all told me to upload my build

[urban latch]

Looks really solid, especially for someone at 61 shd

[rich lotus]

I was told my stats were too low

[gentle lichen]

Well you are shd 61 so your points that are in chc and chd aren't high. But what matters is that you got the correct build

[rich lotus]

So I should be able to do incursions?

[gentle lichen]

You shouldn't have any problem doing the incursion as dps role

[astral kraken]

Not too low, just not ideal. As long as someone is using sledgehammer you shouldn't have a problem.

You'll only hit a DPS wall if everyone else has lower DPS than you.

Otherwise it's perfectly suitable.

[untold hearth]

What mods y'all suggest I use for the skills. I got good ones on them especially radius. But what y'all suggest?

[shy willow]

Oftentimes people will get to wright then get hard stuck because there’s not enough dps

Just make sure you have a good healer

[urban latch]

Wright really doesn't take much dps, it's more mechanics and getting sledge off right as you spray

[untold hearth]

I use sledge first then switch to Scorpio and start nailing and rinse repeat. Not sure if I should use my grenade since others throw theirs

[shy willow]

People dont clear adds fast enough and it takes too long occasionally

Maybe its my luck😭

[untold hearth]

Dude I hide in cover and use my Scorpio hoping someone comes saves me for not being able to kill an add 🤣

[merry stone]

thats correct its the adds that do most of the damage, especially those minigun chungs at 3-4 bar wright stage

[gentle lichen]

I'm doing countdown runs with striker's as targeted. If you're on you're welcome to join

[rich lotus]

Psn?

[gentle lichen]

Same as discord

Just finishing one real quick

[urban latch]

The chungas go down super quick, and they spawn at very predictable times. The key is to have people right at the doors it might come out at and burn it down before it can even start shooting. I see way to many people hiding in the back room waiting for ads to spawn, then reacting to them super late, which just makes things harder

[silver forge]

im currently early game (level 8) and using a skill build, tier 6 skills, what type of weapon should i use?
also how do i overcharge my skills?

[shy willow]

Dont worry about overcharge

And weapons dont really matter just use whatever has the best numbers

[stiff jasper]

it depend how you get maximum benefit from it
you have 10% bonus armor from each ppl (maximum 3), and perfect is 12%
if you in combat but you die so quickly and you only trigger once, you get maximum 6% extra from perfect, obviously it is not noticeable
but let say you strafe, use cover etc., to make you alive longer, then more time your trigger adrush, more noticeable between perfect and normal, for example you trigger 3 times, then it is extra 18%

[fathom wyvern]

Thanks. I usually fight servers and have a team I can fall back on so I'm sure I can get it to proc multiple times

[torn ore]

Should my m870 er have CD or damage to target out of cover? Using it for dz

[onyx sage]

dttooc

[gentle lichen]

Dz all your weapons should be dttooc

For lmgs it should be armor damage

[torn ore]

Thx

What mods should I slap on it?

[gentle lichen]

Chc on everything and if firewall put firewall grip

[tawdry flare]

Slap enough hsd to get it to 150% had and than handling

[torn ore]

I hsd as in Headshot DMG?

[tawdry flare]

Headshot DMG yes

[gentle lichen]

Dz build

[tawdry flare]

Ahh than no hsd

[tawdry flare]

Handling is nice though

[torn ore]

Yeah it's just a 2nd

[gentle lichen]

Not if your chc is below 50

Since you can apply just 2 mods shotguns demand chc

[torn ore]

It was 46 but I placed a laser pointer on it

[torn ore]

All chc?

[austere bronze]

if not at 50 chc get to 50 then chd if extra mod slots

[torn ore]

my Ouro at 46 too so imma throw a chc mod on an armor

Actually, just noticed shottie has no chc

Must've been looking at wrong gun unknowingly

[gentle lichen]

With the technician it's 1 optic mod with chc and reload speed as tube and linked laser. With firewall 1 chc optic mod and reload speed tube and 10% chd mod from firewall

[torn ore]

I'm not using the spotter chest piece

So I don't think link laser be helpful too much

[gentle lichen]

So go for the other build

Crits are the other one's. The firewall

[torn ore]

I have enough chd, chc is low.

Also because I currently can't make the build you showed me, I'm trying a blue striker build

Everyone has their pieces at 20+ 3xpertise

[violet wyvern]

Is the ouro and umbra a good combo 🤔

[mellow flint]

striker

[violet wyvern]

It would be insane crit damage plus the damage spike an heal behind cover

[violet wyvern]

Pvp

[mellow flint]

oh for pvp

u wouldnt have time to get into to cover to heal in pvp

[violet wyvern]

You think so

[mellow flint]

definitely

[violet wyvern]

But minus the heals the insane rpm and crit bonus

Would kill fast

[mellow flint]

for pve def

[violet wyvern]

Shii you don't need cover heals if you kill before the enemy can react

[mellow flint]

yeah

[violet wyvern]

Run it with adrenaline

Picaro for armor an dmg

15% smg damage on the back pack

60 crit chance an whatever for crit damage bc the umbra gives chd stacks

Oooo I have a build on my hands 😆

Pvp about to get crispy

[astral kraken]

relax satan

[warm arch]

this is good for blue build right

[tame flax]

depend on what u wanna do with blue build

[vestal ibex]

For tank builds it'll be the point man or tardigrade.

[untold hearth]

You better keep that and never change it 🤣

@glass epoch Not updated, but I already have 6 skill tiers because of the technician specialization I barley started working on doing control points lmao. However this is it that I tried running today in incursion but kept getting complaints from stupid for using a Scorpio yet they fixed that issue ☠️

All attributes must be Skill Repair first, & Skill Haste 2nd

[glass epoch]

Nice

I have a build similar to that but slightly different

Cant remember what I use specifically but its FI ik that

What I’d do is run repair traps instead of the Canister shot skill

[untold hearth]

Ah I see, oh and the backpack is named SetUp, it's a blue core because I've had it in stash for years and now has its use with explosive resistance. But I still have 6 skill tiers so the blue core gives me a safe spot to not die 🤣

[glass epoch]

Repair traps as far as I know prevent status affects

for the period they affect

And going for Emphatic resolve in the bag (if its even for the bag)

Which is every time you heal an ally they get weapon damage I think

Nvm its chest

[untold hearth]

Never knew that but noted lol

[glass epoch]

Yeah

When you do the Tidal basin hornet manhunt mission

You use repair traps to prevent Eclipse damage

Which is a status affect

[untold hearth]

However the skills I run are useful cuz literally I shoot at teams to heal them from far ASF lol

[glass epoch]

Yeah tru

If you wanna stay ranged then it works

[untold hearth]

I'll look into repair trap but for now this works for me especially in incursion lol

[glass epoch]

Yeah Alright

Ima make a build rq to see how it might work on the site

[vestal ibex]

I wouldn't use repair trap, you want chems and hive. Your FI build is just fine and people don't read patch notes so f em. Just shoot wright a bunch with it and once you finish the fight ask them how it's broken.

[glass epoch]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwZgtMAMbdwEwybZqWQFwFYuuBRUdVRY2DANgjnznHnDLTQwBZrmmvkNh2pOg7pnjR4-WkKnl4FRP0hVgADnwrCy8CvZkM8LAE4kUAOzSeCZUhNVhPTHfKOYQA anyone interested this is the build I just randomly put together in terms of the heal build

I just half assed the thing

[vestal ibex]

Uhhh what's your reason behind your choices?

[glass epoch]

Ninjabike for obvious reasons
3 FI (4)

Murakami and Alps for Skill Duration and Repair

[vestal ibex]

What's ninja good for tho?

[shy willow]

Established build is 4 fi with chest, Alps bag w opportunistic/ the setup and the datagloves

[glass epoch]

Both at level 2

[vestal ibex]

You don't need more repair skill tho nor duration.

[shy willow]

Along with the Scorpio and the lefty

[glass epoch]

This is just how I’d do it based on my current situation being not at home

But this is what I got

[glass epoch]

Duration applies to the canister shots

They last around longer

[vestal ibex]

That doesn't help anything tho.

[shy willow]

You don't need duration on canisters they'll heal enough anyway

[glass epoch]

Yeah

Still I didnt put much thought into it

Not really my thing in healing

[hexed steppe]

Chem launcher can be targeted at distance and hive makes up aoe repair. Traps are kinda meh at best

[glass epoch]

Might make a meme build to see how long I can make a Shield drone last

[vestal ibex]

No global oc and no perfect opportunistic.

I feel you don't understand what "FI healer" does. It's a buffer build and it just happens that healing synergizes with that.

Also I'm not sure if you know what amount of healing is useful and not.

[shy willow]

FI is a team DPS boost that also happens to be great as a healer build

[glass epoch]

I literally half assed that

Yall looking too deep into it just chill out

[vestal ibex]

Did you not post that asking what people thought?

[glass epoch]

Quick question, the affect the defender gives, is it considered a status affect or jot

[shy willow]

Essentially just don't bother farming for whatever you made up

[glass epoch]

No

[shy willow]

This is build advice after all

[hexed steppe]

I'll add btsu overcharge kinda stomps on the 2nd set bonuses unlocked with ninja

[shy willow]

Overcharge and that haste is monumentally more useful

[vestal ibex]

So you just make "off the cuff no thought builds" and go here guys but don't look too much into it?

[hexed steppe]

I finally got my healer build put together with unicorn setup. Thank lootcifer for devs messing up and giving free blueprints

[glass epoch]

No it was for someone else just to show them something

[glass epoch]

Unicorn what now

[shy willow]

I gotta get myself that damn blueprint

Been looking for that thing for ages

[shy willow]

Named backpack with perfect opportunistic

Comes naturally rolled blue so you need both attributes rolled yellow and then switch the core

[glass epoch]

I think the highest you can go on skill duration is 90

Unless if im missing smthn

[hexed steppe]

Setup perfect opportunistic rolls blue. I was able to craft a bunch and get repair skills/haste so I can roll it yellow core

[glossy scarab]

thats the unicorn. too broke to optimize it right now

[shy willow]

Needs some love but that's pretty damn nice

[glossy scarab]

im doing a wony run later. fix it right up

[shy willow]

Ayy

[hexed steppe]

Ill help you run some wony sometime soon and you can be rich again 🍻

[glossy scarab]

yes pleeease do. i'l let you know when im going to play. i just woke up, gonna be a while

[hexed steppe]

Add me, same ign as here

[cerulean smelt]

caffeine injection and sustenance? 😜

[glossy scarab]

ight

[glass epoch]

Ok got a skill duration of 100 but I cant find out what the status are for the drone

[hexed steppe]

You'll want to priority haste over duration

[glass epoch]

I know but im doing a test to see how long the Defender drone can be useful

Just like how I turned a Slepinir into a GAU-8

[hexed steppe]

Oic mb

But this is what I've got now. Per advice, I've also got a blue core identical setup (haste/repair) and rolled technician for faraday perk
Sitting around 85% haste

[bronze hound]

Wait 85

[hexed steppe]

Yeah somewhere in there

[bronze hound]

Mk

[glass epoch]

I just made a scanner pulse skill haste thing

I gotta try it fr, might have insta scans

[vestal ibex]

Hardwire build?

[glass epoch]

Nah just a bunch of stuff for skill haste

Just experimenting with wacky stuff to see how it works

[grizzled garnet]

Is an aces and eights build still used? Before i uninstalled it used to be everywhere/common

[hexed steppe]

Not really, hotshot kinda replaced it because better set bonuses

[grizzled garnet]

Welp. Guess i skipped the 1.0 and went straight to the 2.0

[hexed steppe]

It's an easy set to make.
4 hotshot chainkiller airaldi vigilance bag .

Or unicorn 3 hotshot 2 habsburg 1 airalde with headhunter/vigilance

[vestal ibex]

Gear 1.0 Aces and 8s was gud brah. Now it'll work for a HH build if you want.

[grizzled garnet]

Its the unicorn just called that because the core dont drop red or smthn?

[hexed steppe]

Exactly

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, they are really hard to farm, get to it.

Nice thing about habs backpack is you'll probably get the courier unicorn while at it.

[cerulean smelt]

about only way i saw this work was with Nightwatcher (Gila named Mask)

[grizzled garnet]

Is courier a named backpack?

[hexed steppe]

It's a habsburg with perfect creeping death.
It's a unicorn bag for foam eclipse setups

[grizzled garnet]

Interesting

Countdown COULD be a good place since the end hunters always drop named gear iirc

[hexed steppe]

But if you have habsburg blueprints that's gonna be the fastest way to get either a chest or bag with right attributes/talents for a sniper build

It's purely for min maxing though. The hotshot chainkiller airaldi setup hits almost as hard and a million times easier to farm

[vestal ibex]

Yeah marksmen HH builds are in a kind of strange spot where what makes one better than another is it's ability to get to max HH stacks faster. You've gotta get kills for that tho so if the damage increase doesn't take you to a new class of enemy or does anything better than having higher max damage but both kill exactly the same types of enemies at the same difficulties the builds are no different.

[drowsy heart]

what would be the best type of smg i'd want to be chasing for generally?

[cerulean smelt]

the current flavor until it gets nerfed Officially or Stealthily Oroborus

[drowsy heart]

what's the current flavour?

i'm personally a fan of p90s but that seems like its probably not up there

[stable tree]

I doubt that the Oreo's going to be nerfed

[vestal ibex]

Ouroboros is the best SMG by miles in the game. It's locked in the incursion tho.

AKA ouro or oreo is how you'll see people talk about it.

[cerulean smelt]

12% per week chance then 2% per run chance

[urban latch]

It really needs to be...

[vestal ibex]

10% on box open and 1% chance from three bosses.

[urban latch]

4 bosses

[cerulean smelt]

from what i remember all new exotic weapons comes out pretty strong and at some point do get nerfed don't they?

[urban latch]

Not really most (ignoring when everything changes with gear 2.0) stay the same as they are launched

[vestal ibex]

I haven't seen anyone get one from the tanker guy tho.

[cerulean smelt]

think most people believe he's just a named guy right?

[urban latch]

Eb, btsu gloves, and merciless got nerfed in year 1. I'm probably forgetting something but I don't know if any year 2 stuff got changed outside some pvp stuff like lady death

[cerulean smelt]

ok ,maybe my memory of exotics were year 1

[drowsy heart]

any not exotic options worth chasing?

[thin patrol]

The apartment (MPX) and MP7 with optimist are the ones I like and use.

[cerulean smelt]

plenty, but probably all personal preference honestly

[slate wedge]

Moss doesn't drop. (most likely) done around 270 runs and never got it myself, never had somebody in my group who did and never saw it in a video

[slate wedge]

emeline's guard is pretty cool, other than that vectors, mpx and dark winter

obviously oreo is BiC

[shy willow]

If you realllyyy wanted you could try to build around backfire

[junior surge]

Yea, but that was the old dev team. The new dev team hasn't really nerfed anything yet, right? Maybe heartbreaker after it was released, but aside from that they seem to like it when everyone uses the new stuff like strikers, elmos and co. They seem to completely not care about powercreep. Hotshot has just straight up way better base stats than aces (just looking at the bonuses), sledgehammer is insanely strong, elmos and striker are meta-defining, and they seem to be perfectly good with that. Ourobouros being op seems to be exactly what they intended. Even Iron Lung is insanely overstatted compared to the mg5 it's based on. The current dev teams m.o. for exotics seems to be "take gun, increase stats, slap extremely god mods on, give mediocre to useless talent, and be happy because everyone uses it". Everyone was so sure elmo's was gonna get nerfed, and it never did. They might nerf ouro, they might not, but I wouldn't be so sure with the current dev team tbh.

[grizzled garnet]

Any oreo double stuffed dz build? Wanna get goofing in dz again. Also is catharsis good for dz pvp?

[junior surge]

Or things like brand set bonuses. As far as I'm aware, they used to always be the same. For example if a brand gave damage to armor, it was always 5%. But with habsburg, they gave it 15% mmr damage, instead of 10% like airaldi. This also points toward the dev team not caring about balance so much.

[flint wave]

But they made habs blue for some reason

[blissful rampart]

FYI: Oreo was nerfed before going live and only "bad players" were calling for Elmo nerfs (for pve). good players all agree it needs no nerfs as it doesnt even beat Famas, though is still a decent AR.

[glossy scarab]

heartbreaker really reaaaaally needed a nerf though it was so far beyond OP. you could hit 1.5+ million body crits with a 4 blue cores build

[tawdry flare]

i would say buff elmos a bit make rpm 1000 thats it

[flint wave]

lol

[tawdry flare]

if they can add 1350 rpm to auro than why not emlos too

it is accurate stablewith that rpm it is gonna be nice

[flint wave]

Because then elmos would undoubtedly be more powerful then ouro

can't have that

[tawdry flare]

if we can have 1 broken weapon than we can have 2 as well

[flint wave]

new content must have the highest power

[grizzled garnet]

Thats was makes the grind.

Why grind for the new thing if its worse than what you already have

[blissful rampart]

IMHO just buff ALL exotics to at least say Ouro strength, exotics should be strong and sought after not "oh great just got another exotic component"

[glossy scarab]

original heartbreaker with 4 armor cores.

original Lefty

[grizzled garnet]

Personally i dont think every exotic should be outright more powerful than any non exotic. Maybe some should but what makes an exotic so special is its unique effect not just being more powerful

That being said
Any oreo double stuffed dz build? Wanna get goofing in dz again. Also is catharsis good for dz pvp?

[tawdry flare]

i would say keep few exo bad for exotic components and buff sleigher

[flint wave]

meh ouro not even that broken since it's not spewing that much damage at a range. I've still been sticking to elmos even after unlocking ouro

[blissful rampart]

non exotic gear will still be used often because you are still limited to 1 gun and 1 gear.

[grizzled garnet]

I mean i still have to non exotics equipped as weapons but doesnt mean i use them

[glossy scarab]

yeah. in order to compensate for the lack of chc needed on an ouro build i've been putting chc as a third attribute on one of my M1As and an AR or two

[vestal ibex]

Wha?

[blissful rampart]

having ALL exotic gear be strong = much better build diveristy. BUT make sure exotics are strong because of their talent, not their bonkers base stats.

[glossy scarab]

so i can use them as secondary for range and not have lik 32% chc

[flint wave]

it's not that dominant

[tawdry flare]

bruh it can convert noobs to chads

[glossy scarab]

maybe so but it still requires some level of skill to survive at close range with an all red ouro strikers build

[tawdry flare]

use hf and you still outdps striker elmos

[glossy scarab]

yes

[vestal ibex]

I've used this thing a bunch now and it makes legendary feel like we are trying to speed run it with smgs.

[flint wave]

I refuse to use this thing in a stronghold

[vestal ibex]

It was super easy and cheesy.

[flint wave]

It always is with multiple dudes

[tawdry flare]

if someone thinks ouro is not broken they need to think 69 times before saying that

[vestal ibex]

Wha?

Out of context quote for future use....

[flint wave]

[glossy scarab]

it def is but personally i still use other smgs and non elmo ARs. otherwise the game kinda sucks cuz you get habituated into like 2 builds for everything

[tawdry flare]

that is why i have hf sleigher broomstick build

[glossy scarab]

i been messing with a combo of HF with perfect creeping death, banshee pulse and scorpio (for three ways in one build) to proc disorient on as many cleaners at a time as possible for the league challenge. turns out im getting better results with 3 emp, 1 electrique, 1 yellow golan, and a yellow perf creeping death with just banshee pulse

[flint wave]

not surprising since skill tiers make banshee pulse have the width of the sun

[glossy scarab]

yeah and wayyyy more range

[flint wave]

and like a 12s cd

[cyan drift]

so far so good

almost literally everything is rolled into CHD/HSD

[glossy scarab]

nice

[cyan drift]

also, orbit pistol

use it people, it's amazing

[flint wave]

Put dch on it

[glossy scarab]

im too addicted to kard custom

[tawdry flare]

Put regulus

[cyan drift]

why

why put regulus on when orbit gives my SMG 93% CHC and 220% CHD

and my diamondback gets 250% chd I think

[glossy scarab]

93% chc doesnt count tho does it

[cyan drift]

58% normal, orbit gives +like 35% or something in that range

after switching off

[glossy scarab]

i know but hard cap i thought

[tawdry flare]

CHC is capped at 60%

[blissful rampart]

hard cap of 60% chc 😛

[cyan drift]

balls

[flint wave]

I have a feeling the regulus was a joke comment

[glossy scarab]

heh

[tawdry flare]

Diamond back is unreliable sometimes

[cyan drift]

it wasn't

[flint wave]

understandable

[tawdry flare]

Regulus and dch is the ultimate nuke cc: @blissful rampart

[glossy scarab]

is regulus ever a bad choice

[cyan drift]

and it's the most basic b---- build ever

[flint wave]

Turret drone skill build

[glossy scarab]

you win

[blissful rampart]

still a great choice there lol Turret/drone build can easily fit DCH + Reg into it

[tawdry flare]

Sleigher broomstick build

Put hsd instead of skill haste

[blissful rampart]

pocket nuke on a turret/ drone build 😛

[flint wave]

does it actually do that much damage with 6(5) skill tiers

[glossy scarab]

i would pick kard custom with future perfect for quick OC

[blissful rampart]

Re reg for turret/ drone build very much so!

[tawdry flare]

Yeah cause compared to 1000% wd dch gives you you are only lackeing like 90%?

[flint wave]

and a bunch of pistol friendly brandsets

[blissful rampart]

not needed

DCH + Reg (hell even D50) is a great combo for nearly all builds IMHO.

[tawdry flare]

*except for my real Meta builds

[blissful rampart]

nah, still great for lots of those too

[tawdry flare]

Talking about 5.11/improvised and ninjabike with sleigher their is no way regulus comes even close to sleigher it's mile behind

[blissful rampart]

........ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[tawdry flare]

Just say you agree

[flint wave]

ノ┬─┬ノ ︵ ( \o°o)\

[tawdry flare]

Btw people have cleared raids with sleigher

[flint wave]

that can only mean one thing😭

[tawdry flare]

you were wrong all along

sleigher is the real meta

i can have youtuber agree with me on this

[flint wave]

all my spreadsheeting has come to a devastating loss

to a local snowball launcher

[tawdry flare]

speedruners ultimate choice for all contents

[thin patrol]

And good players don't even need Famas

[vestal ibex]

Melee is the only thing a good player needs.

[tough linden]

How is this Stiker Haz pro build?
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAbGAMYIzxvArPWsrqV6AuZqWCxAzLHIUlMEnAOzSPna4kAsktiINFaV2QelzhMiIqjg4hQ-DTEIJ-aSpgiwJTotqTeqlbmBtwcKAE4zKS6eIRyEXr1TBFh5JY5S6M8uV1qvDXg4BA5pKRQWPBJLfRZgOJwgA

[stable tree]

Heh

[flint wave]

That's alot of damage(loss)

[urban latch]

It would be so much better if you just used a better gun

[tough linden]

with the stiker and backfire stacks its not good enough?

[tough linden]

Any suggestions?

[urban latch]

Ouroboros, elmos, FAMAS, M4, carbine 7, mpx

[flint wave]

never heard mpx

backfire is an mpx

[tough linden]

yes, it gives 200 CHD on full stacks

[dreamy valve]

Backfire is one of those trap exotics that players don’t mind if it is one. Haven’t used it since it was introduced though

[grizzled garnet]

few q's. im assuming the substats are chc chd. also can i use something like st elmos or ouroboros over eb? also how active is the dz? i remember last i played it was pretty dead and full of cheetahs

[vestal ibex]

This from the build guide?

If it is it might not have some of the newer weapon suggestions but yeah EB is just an older meta choice and elmo and ouro are better choices.

[cyan drift]

if it's for PvP, all red pointman might be of use

[vestal ibex]

Yeah if you scroll down past the build pictures there are suggestions on which ARs you use.

[grizzled garnet]

please elaborate

[grizzled garnet]

oki ty

[cyan drift]

deploying a shield makes it invincible for 5 seconds when you use vanguard

a very significant portion of the damage you take in pvp is when the shield goes down, since it causes disorientation when it breaks

so, potentially, blocking that out may be benifitial

[grizzled garnet]

i dont remember shield break causing disorient :/

is that a new thing?

[vestal ibex]

It breaking causes disorient.

[grizzled garnet]

also is expertise being maxed required for dz pvp?

[patent fossil]

Was added 2 or 3 seasons ago

[grizzled garnet]

ah so likely while i wasnt playing

[vestal ibex]

Ehhh not required but if you run into a person with 24% on everything and they keep killing you it could just be that advantage.

[patent fossil]

Yeah, it also takes way more damage from explosions now

[grizzled garnet]

bleh

i'll try slapping together the build i send a picture of and see how it goes

[vestal ibex]

Yeah just know elmo kinda messes with this build a bit cause it's such a big stat stick.

Would probs want contractors and fenris chest I think.

Pull the ceska cause you'll be really high on CHC I think is what happens.

[vapid bobcat]

Hey guys i just got the st elmos last night which gear is great to use with it?

[tulip charm]

The same dps builds basically

[gentle lichen]

You'll just get headshotted especially in pc

Or strafed until that 5 second duration is over

[tulip charm]

cant you destroy the shield with emp sticky aswell?

[gentle lichen]

15 is enough imo. But minmaxing is essential

[gentle lichen]

Yeah or jam it with jammer pulse which is widely used

[tulip charm]

yeah

[gentle lichen]

This is what I personally run as famas meta

[tulip charm]

Man I need to start building pvp gear

[gentle lichen]

I deleted all my pve loadouts

16 pvp builds incoming

[slate wedge]

same lmao, cant get myself to grinding it

[ivory briar]

Apologies in advance for the long ass message. Just looking around on yt for builds and saw one from the gaming brigade, this elmo one in particular https://youtu.be/H7QXWEdxB1U?si=17C3IIMjhnOEapPp

I cannot for the life of me understand how he has 148% bonus crit damage on the first version of the build he shows. Idk if my brain is just simply not braining but I’ve added up the crit damage boosts and they don’t add up to 148 at all.

+20 from elmo, +5 from rock n roll, +23.9 from coyotes, +12 from chest, +12 from holster, +12 from gloves, +23.9 from bag then finally +10 from SHD watch. All that is 118.8 no?

I surely must be missing some bonuses that he doesn’t cover? If anyone can tell me what I’m not seeing I would be extremely thankful lol

[blissful rampart]

few things. stats on guns are only for that gun, ie Elmo does get that 5 from rock n roll.

there is a base chd of 25. and watch is +20 chd not +10.

so 113 off your math (-5 since no rock n roll) +10 more for watch and +25 base = 148

[ivory briar]

Huge facepalm moment… didn’t even think to check if there was a base chd bonus loll, thank you very much.

Good to know about the chd from rock n roll not applying too. Question though, does the same apply to weapon talents too? For example, if I run a secondary that has sledgehammer and proc it on an enemy, will the enemy only take bonus armor damage from the weapon that has the talent? Or will I benefit from the extra bonus damage from every other source?

[grizzled garnet]

not exactly the same since mines 4:2 blue:red rather than 5:1 nor are the pieces optimized but this is best i can do with what i got

[blissful rampart]

for 99% of gun talents they are only for when using that weapon unless it says otherwise. exception is sledgehammer and 1 or 2 other talents i can remember off the top of my head (that work on swap but dont say it does) .

[gentle lichen]

Picaro would be better

[grizzled garnet]

"with what i got"
ty for the advice though

i think for now im going to try grinding more shd levels

[gentle lichen]

Honestly you just need picaro to drop. It doesn't matter what rolls because it's only 1 attribute you want on it

So very easy to get

[onyx sage]

from any source yes, it's in the description

[grizzled garnet]

also where can i get/farm max roll mods? both skill and armor?

[gentle lichen]

Preferably on legendary missions and summit but countdown is an option

[grizzled garnet]

:3

countdown it is

speaking of legendary missions. what sort of build are common?

strikers st elmos? skill builds?

[gentle lichen]

All red focus striker's is very popular

Skill builds also

At your level you should just matchmake with a skill build

It makes it trivial especially DUA

but wait for the targeted to be worthwhile

[rich lotus]

What is a good build for solo heroic open world?

[grizzled garnet]

i found success in a hotshot, determined white death build

[ivory briar]

It isn’t for me? Unless the descriptions are different on pc to console for whatever reason idk though

[grizzled garnet]

that might be a little suboptimal though since its from quite a few seasons ago

[gentle lichen]

Honestly meta for skill builds haven't changed much

[onyx sage]

ah right. so it's a debuff, and it will make the enemy take 30/40% more damage to armor. this implies they will take that damage from any source

[gentle lichen]

If gc is a bit too much you can switch to kinetic momentum

[cerulean smelt]

sad isn't it?

[gentle lichen]

Always happy so I don't farm

[grizzled garnet]

idealistically i'd have that holster (waveform?) right?

[cerulean smelt]

the one that goes left and right skill gets powered up?

[grizzled garnet]

ye

[cerulean smelt]

that is waveform alright

[gentle lichen]

This is what I personally use for legendary

61% pfe along with armor regen

Does less damage than your setup tho

[grizzled garnet]

interesting

seems like more of a hybrid

[cerulean smelt]

maybe, but doesn't your skills get your PFE too?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah can help me revive some players in the heat of the fight

[gentle lichen]

Nah

[cerulean smelt]

game is so wonky. some stuff we have passes to our skills other stuff doesn't

[grizzled garnet]

isnt it possible to target gear mods in summit/countdown?

[rich lotus]

What is The best kill Set? To Run trough missions

[tulip charm]

Hunter Fury

[gentle lichen]

Yeah

[fallen comet]

you mean a skill set?

[rich lotus]

Kill

The best kill Set for The weapons to get fast The kills

[cerulean smelt]

yes along with anderson manhunt because it's in countdown map

[fallen comet]

what do you mean a kill set? like a 4 piece gear set or a brand set or exotic?

[cerulean smelt]

starting to sound like they want a do it all build maybe?

[grizzled garnet]

best set to get kills quick?

[rich lotus]

Yeah to Rush trough The Missions

[vestal ibex]

What diff and is this a speed running thing?

League timed things maybe?

[cerulean smelt]

maybe they just picked up the game and just want to get to endgame stuff?

[rich lotus]

Good enough for Challenging

I have a Speed Run set, I need a Set for The open world.

[vestal ibex]

Regulus HH is probably the fastest thing out there but it requires head shots.

Otherwise most people abuse determined with HH builds or even EP fire is very good now that cool skills is fixed.

[rich lotus]

Ok

[grizzled garnet]

:3

[cerulean smelt]

oh they fixed the directive? 🤔

[grizzled garnet]

what was bugged with cool skills?

[rich lotus]

Is Hunters furry With Bonus Amore

[cerulean smelt]

no it just gives armor and health on kill

[rich lotus]

What birngs Bonus Amore ?

[cerulean smelt]

Memento backpack, Blood Sucker Talent, Galvanize Talent

[vestal marlin]

What was the fix on cool skills?

[rich lotus]

Oki

[cerulean smelt]

sure there's more but those are the only things that comesz to mind

[flint wave]

hotshot 4th shot buff

[vestal ibex]

https://trello.com/c/vWM7rPaA

Cool skills bug, should be good now tho.

[vestal ibex]

Hots 4 pc is fine for solo heroic tho. They can improve and build it over time.

[cerulean smelt]

if you want an orthodox headshot build i can give you one 😆

[flint wave]

hotshot bonus armor is the only bonus armor that doesn't go away over time I think

[cerulean smelt]

O_O you know i just realized Hotshot is like old school Aces and Eights 🤔

i forget all of aces and eights buffs, but wasn't there one where it gave bonus armor, did some other stuff, but getting aces and eights increased weapon damage?

[vestal ibex]

Huge mag and 100% damage on your next 5 shots are the two that I remember.

[cerulean smelt]

good memory O_O

[vestal ibex]

lol I mained aces for DH speed runs.

[cerulean smelt]

full house increased magazine by 100% for 10 seconds, 4 of a kind gave 30% bonus armor for 10 seconds and Aces and Eights gave 5 bullets 100% bonus damage

could you imagine using name escapes me with the Bluescreen model gun with 200 mag + old Aces and Eights turning it into a 400 mag then getting OD bullets on it? would be nuts XD

[glass epoch]

I have to ask, why is it blue

[gentle lichen]

The gearset color? Color Blindness mode

[glass epoch]

Oh

[astral kraken]

Looks solid! There are things you can change here and there but that's just optimization.

Should be a fun build esp for solo

[rich cosmos]

What color do you use

I use purple

Purple gear is pleasant to look at

[gentle lichen]

The color you put on gear? I use full purple

[hexed steppe]

looks green to me but washed out. one of the other cb modes really makes em blue

[gentle lichen]

There is a very purple-y scarf i have to look for the name though

[rich cosmos]

^

I like the lavender/blue color

Aren’t there two? One thats more clearly blue?

I think

[hexed steppe]

plus cb mode is a good way to highlight certain impacts (mortar/nade/chem) by adding a white outline

[hexed steppe]

3 modes iirc

[rich cosmos]

I meant specifically the colors

[hexed steppe]

i wonder how many look at these screenshots and think the agent is wearing some really low level gear 🍻

[mild stratus]

Is anyone aware of a sort of fun, fast Rifle build (not assault rifle)? Would like it to hit pretty hard and make good use of positioning and cover if possible.

[hexed steppe]

Look at negotiators dilemma, it's in the pinned spreadsheet in this channel

[mild stratus]

Thank you kindly.

[fading crystal]

out of curiosity does anyone know a good solo build for doing the time challenges for the Mel League?

[bronze hound]

That's blue

[sullen sun]

Can someone post their hardwired build?

[astral kraken]

Seeker spam and EMP spam

Seeker is skill dmg + haste, EMP is status + haste

[sullen sun]

Thx

[tawdry flare]

You should use china light glass cannon chest pcs on 1st build for more amp

Your current amp is 1.25 with gc it is 1.10*1.25=1.375

[astral kraken]

ty!

[hexed steppe]

Eclipse fire build with capacitor
or
headhunter pistol build with determined d50/regulus.

Manning is better with headhunter since everything is spread out.
The rest good with fire, you'll just have a couple immune heavy on pathway which capacitor will drop easily.

[slate wedge]

i would used a china light chest with gc

[grizzled garnet]

are true patriot builds viable?

[drowsy heart]

Am I better off putting fast hands or flat line on my SMG in my heartbreaker build? On the one hand, more pulses, on the other, reloads have gotten me killed so often

[grizzled garnet]

like in pvp/dz pvp?

[drowsy heart]

Mostly pve

Or general

i think i'm gonna go fast hands

[orchid cloud]

What's ur specialization?

If you run technician, better off with spec link laser pointer

With flatline talent

[surreal depot]

LD better for league

[drowsy heart]

yeah, running a mission fast hands didn't feel like it did enough vs just using a reload sight to negate the -10% from magazine. so flatline is likely better

[hexed steppe]

Its unnecessary. 1 shotting or burning an entire room covers everything. Really dont need slightly faster move speed to hit the recently expanded timeframes. You can go 10/10 with a purple build...

[surreal depot]

Capacitor more unnecessary

[hexed steppe]

Cap is for heavy that dont burn.

If running eclipse

But you do you. My advice was sound

[urban latch]

They aren't worth running over your other options

[trim lagoon]

is it worth for me to buy the AKM

or just stick with the Police M4 for now & trying to get a better AR?

[urban latch]

Not really worth it, there's nothing special about it.