td2-build-advice

[round zinc]

not the "big numbers wah" one but the guilty pleasure type of things

[vestal ibex]

But mah sniper build is only good if I hit for 28 mil. /s

[glossy scarab]

I have a couple scalpels max rolled. One with dttooc, one with armor. I still prefer my white death with future perfect buffing my decoy

[vestal ibex]

Why not just use the mantis for the decoy?

[glossy scarab]

Completely friggin forgot about that talent. Dangit

[vestal ibex]

lol it is pretty dope.

[gentle lichen]

Mantis is so good for pvp

If you get 1 kill every 20 seconds players would be clueless as to where you are

[glossy scarab]

How many red cores do you use for a pvp mantis?

[gentle lichen]

All red

Pgc and vigi

3m a head something like that

So always a 1 shot

[bronze hound]

how are you getting a kill every 20 seconds in combat with other players

actually the better question to ask is why are your fights lasting over 20 seconds

[gentle lichen]

And I'm thinking of remaking the regulus build for pvp since vigi got fixed

[bronze hound]

i ditched pvp since expertise not even worth my time

[gentle lichen]

Actually i get like 2 to 3 kills in the first 10 seconds but when players start hiding behind cover taking their time you'll appreciate the instant decoy cooldown

Allows you to flank them without knowing anything

[gentle lichen]

15 on gear is enough. 15 on weapons allows you to be competitive i would say

But you should minmax it

[bronze hound]

waste of time im saying

[gentle lichen]

If that's how you feel about it. Others may find it as the only thing to do when at endgame

Expertise and pvp

[uneven needle]

Anyone got some advice on how to put together a skill build for playing on heroic content or higher? I honestly haven't got a scooby-doo to help me solve this weird mystery.

[cerulean smelt]

you try any of these in the pinned spreadsheet?

[cyan drift]

it works super well because it's still wrong

it says it gives the charge back if you headshot someone not looking at you, but it works regardless of what headshot kill you get

[velvet helm]

bois... is scorpion a good weapon to make a build on?

if not, is there any exotic that is easy to get for a great build

I hav chameleon but.. idk

[bronze hound]

chameleon is mid

[velvet helm]

yeah.. the build.. works, but.. it doesn't feel that great when it comes to harder difficulties

[vestal ibex]

What build?

[velvet helm]

hotshot

[vestal ibex]

Ahh that's your issue.

Hotshot is a Marksmen build.

Good for snipers not much else.

[velvet helm]

ahh ok, so only hotshot for the white death thingy

right right I will try to work more with it

is there any other build that is not too hard to acquire

[vestal ibex]

I mean you can use pretty much any sniper with it but WD is typically BIS.

[velvet helm]

i'm not really good at grinding on the game because works

[vestal ibex]

You done countdown? Figured out targeted loot?

[velvet helm]

yeah, but it doesn't really work if with high enough difficulty and all the enemies starts with yellow

[velvet helm]

yeah

i haven't really done countdown tho

tried it once, everyone just left

[vestal ibex]

Might have been the starting bug that used to happen a ton.

Select your targeted loot and go for challenging to start.

[velvet helm]

that was like... a year ago iirc

[vestal ibex]

There are tons of builds guides in the spreadsheet pinned in this channel too. They have a link next to them that open an easy to read guide.

[hexed steppe]

3empress 1 wyvern 2 hanna is a pretty standard turret/drone build. Skill damage and haste everywhere.
Glass and tech support talents.

I fun skill build is mortar explosive build, but to achieve top damage you need a couple unicorns 🦄

Both are on the pinned sheet that l05t50ul mentioned

[cerulean smelt]

if you put the wyvern in the holster you can interchange from wyvern holster to waveform holster if you want

[hexed steppe]

I would use wyvern and waveform in that case. Then put yellow sacrifice 😈

[cerulean smelt]

guess i should've just copied your build text wise and posted it and suggested the holster and waveform XD

[hexed steppe]

But idk what exo they have so just went standard easy to farm stuff

[cerulean smelt]

true

[uneven needle]

so just SD and SH on all pieces?

[cerulean smelt]

depends what skills you plan on using

turret/drone combo yes SD/SH

[uneven needle]

if I was to use waveform, should i sacrifice one piece of something else or remove wyvern entirely?

[hexed steppe]

well if you are on a typical build it wont matter if its the second hanna or wyvern. both are sd pieces

[hexed steppe]

this is what i typically use for a turret drone setup.
the yellow sacrifice is an extra 5% amp over regular glass. its a unicorn but worth if you have one drop. if using waveform you would just use empress where i have the murakami named piece.

[bronze hound]

I like that build

Nice use of EG

[uneven needle]

why use shotty say over Test Subject and I am assuming TDI "Kard" Custom would be sidearm?

[hexed steppe]

sidearm doesnt matter. the shotgun is mop to take advantage of armor on kill it comes with. doesnt help this build much

[uneven needle]

right.

[cerulean smelt]

personally for me, i try to use 2 different weapon types

[uneven needle]

but would 2 hana u, 2 empress, waveform and wyvern be viable with cap, ts and tdi k?

[onyx sage]

shotgun is also best in slot in explosive builds too, where its dta is relevant. just not here in drone/turret

[cerulean smelt]

i feel losing the 3rd empress could be a dps loss

[hexed steppe]

its 3 empress or no empress. the 10% skill efficiency on 3rd bonus is 10% in all skill buckets

[bronze hound]

I don't have a skill build

Too slow for me

[cerulean smelt]

we know, you have a Skill Dev build (> <)

[vestal ibex]

Waiting for less effective skills is bleh.

[bronze hound]

Don't need gear to give me skill that I already have

[hexed steppe]

2nd best in slot, cap has same dta and can double the skill damage in sync can give. i use both on explosives tho 👍

[uneven needle]

I honestly feel skills are useless by the way people talk about them. But regardless.

[cerulean smelt]

Skills are bad in Countdown in general

well, deployable/hackable skills i should say

[hexed steppe]

well if you stack up the damage you can pretty much get through any mission/open world content

[uneven needle]

I'd never do a skill build in CD

I'd cry.

[bronze hound]

We've all seen people do it

[hexed steppe]

the raids/incursion/cd were all geared towards dps

[bronze hound]

Not grand finale :3

[uneven needle]

I have a striker build as a main. But I am so bored of it.

[bronze hound]

One wrong move and there goes an hour of progress :3

[cerulean smelt]

do an exuro build and go into CD and see what happens ;p

[onyx sage]

yeah i was considering only high end.

[uneven needle]

It ended poorly.

Already tried Exuro.

[cerulean smelt]

in countdown?

[hexed steppe]

personally i find foam eclipse builds really satisfying

[bronze hound]

If you ever dare bring exuro into cd

[uneven needle]

I thought it said CP my b.

[cerulean smelt]

i haven't heard what happens to the hacked turret when one wears Exuro. Like is one still immune to that turret? does the hunter get set on fire?

[uneven needle]

lol. no that is a surefire way to get kicked.

[hexed steppe]

that why you hotswap at the end 😈

lootcifer needs them sacrifices...

[bronze hound]

That's just rude as fuck

[cerulean smelt]

it would be hilarious sicne they won't really know who's turret it is XD

[bronze hound]

They will

You can turn down viewing skills in the settings

[hexed steppe]

i wonder, if it was overcharged when it was hacked would it retain that boost

[bronze hound]

So you can see the cooldowns and durations of all teammates

[cerulean smelt]

what if 4 people have it running?

[bronze hound]

You'll see who has it active

[hexed steppe]

not many turrets in cd, theyll know 💯

i always leave view team skills on, pretty handy tbh

[bronze hound]

Definitely

[uneven needle]

I only ever see eclipse, Striker and heartbreaker in CD

rarely anything else.

[cerulean smelt]

i reinstalled Uplay and forgot how to do that, but i found it again recently XD

[bronze hound]

"why the fuck are you running striker drone in wright"

"To grab aggro"

[hexed steppe]

i sometimes see hotshot/aces builds but yeah 90% strikers

[cerulean smelt]

me "to piss you off"

[urban latch]

I think high end builds are incredibly underrated in countdown vs strikers, especially with DCH + regulus

[gentle lichen]

Legitimately met a guy like this

[bronze hound]

Yikes

[uneven needle]

Insert JJJ laugh here.

[gentle lichen]

Asked why not a decoy. Told me they can "chip off" enemies and have longer duration

[bronze hound]

Or just kill enemies?

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 maybe i should go in with uh gunner pulse. name escapes me and be like i'm tryign to grab aggro with it ;p

[uneven needle]

Banshee pulse?

[hexed steppe]

yeah

[cerulean smelt]

yes

[hexed steppe]

get them league disorients

[uneven needle]

If I weren't so bad at the game maybe.

[cerulean smelt]

OH! red EP disorient build 🤔

[uneven needle]

Are bleed builds viable?

Spicy Q of the day.

[bronze hound]

No

[cerulean smelt]

think i tried one 2-3 seasons ago for laughs and was sorely disappointed

[bronze hound]

Bleed is weak as fuck cuz it doesn't stop gunfire

[uneven needle]

Sadge,

[cerulean smelt]

was an OD + Bluescreen just to see how it'd fair

i eventually ran out of bleed bullets XD

[uneven needle]

😬 That sounds painful.

Ok. LMG heartbreaker?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah considering Bluescreen Mechanics

[uneven needle]

Bluescreen is painful.

wait, would a pestilence eclipse build work?

[cerulean smelt]

i haven't figured that full stack mechanic out yet XD

it would but pestilence won't spread because it's a Debuff

[uneven needle]

😦

This game is killing me.

[cerulean smelt]

i'm still trying to complete a build i saw recently

3pc Lengmo, Contractor's, fox's they did sacrifice. i'm going collector with firewall nades and Perfect Unstoppable Force

[uneven needle]

I couldn't even tell you what you are building for.

[bronze hound]

i only use heartbreaker on my hc character because idgaf

[cerulean smelt]

PUF is a backpack talent. anytime you get a kill you increase your weapon damage 7% stacks up to 5 times

[uneven needle]

so 35% total?

[cerulean smelt]

Lengmo is the current new brandset that has 20% Explosive Resistence, 10% Skill health i think? and 15% LMG damage

[uneven needle]

LMG spam then?

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much

[uneven needle]

With a side of explosive?

[cerulean smelt]

keep pestilence alive and watch it increase in damage as each kill increases your weapon damage by 7% until you hit 35% XD

[bronze hound]

lengmOwO

sorry

[cerulean smelt]

too bad it wasn't Lengmu

[uneven needle]

I will pat you. Aggresively.

Lengmu sounds.. wrong.

[cerulean smelt]

well, with Eevee putting LengmOwO could've been LengmUwU

[magic pilot]

Ligma

[violet wyvern]

Iron lung umbra build with contractors gloves and petrov backpack. Vigilance on the backpack is there any recommended changes?

[vestal ibex]

Solo heroic? Just a mess around build? What are your "this stays" on the build?

[gentle lichen]

Ceska instead of petrov bag

[violet wyvern]

Definitely the contractors gloves but the backpack can change

[violet wyvern]

I'll give it a try thx

[vestal ibex]

You could also memento as another option.

[violet wyvern]

Is status effect worth it with the iron lung?

[violet wyvern]

I didn't think of that🤦🏿

[vestal ibex]

No, status effect isn't worth it for any exotic status.

[violet wyvern]

For pvp

[vestal ibex]

Not ever worth it. Use those attributes for worth while stats.

[violet wyvern]

I'm just wondering because I ran a conflict match last night an I got some serious burn from a iron lung

I had to put on unbreakable just to withstand it

I had 1.3 mill armor too

[gentle lichen]

Pvp? Don't go memento stay on ceska

I assume you're going umbra because you want fire rounds faster?

[violet wyvern]

Yes it gets fire damage out quicker

[vestal ibex]

Fire is just a minor bonus tho.

[gentle lichen]

Major in pvp

[urban latch]

That sounds more like a dedicated status skill build then iron lung

[gentle lichen]

Doesn't let them aim

No aim= can't trade

Careful if they have ouro tho it'll counter it

[vestal ibex]

yeah was gonna say lol

Ouro would probably put you down before you got fire ammo tho.

[gentle lichen]

You shoot before you face them

So when you have fire rounds that's when you target them

[vestal ibex]

Doesn't it degrade?

[violet wyvern]

I have to keep my distance from them an ill be fine

[gentle lichen]

You keep shooting at a wall say and when you have the rounds you get out of cover and take them

It's used on supports usually but can work as damage

[vestal ibex]

That sounds dumb....

[gentle lichen]

Never tried it but seen it happen

[violet wyvern]

Ooooo the ouro with umbra sounds insane 😳

[vestal ibex]

Hmmm this guy is shooting at nothing lets go see what he is doing

[gentle lichen]

You wouldn't be doing it when you're exposed lol

[vestal ibex]

Yeah cause no one is gonna hear you just loading off your iron lung.

Like I get the idea and people can be dum but yeah idk how practical it is.

Have a go at it tho, maybe it's really successful and you can get manhunt or a few kills in a row.

[gentle lichen]

If your initial burst doesn't take them you'll have a hard time

[gentle lichen]

Funny enough it can reliably win 1v1s if you just shoot and move

Because fire will not allow them to trade with you

[vestal ibex]

idk about you but if you are trying to face tank an iron lung you dum.

[gentle lichen]

A lot do

[vestal ibex]

Well people will learn so use it until they learn the sound of the gun and counters.

[violet wyvern]

Yeah maybe run it with vigilance

An shoot first

[vestal ibex]

Wicked could be really good too.

Especially if you are trying to have fire rounds ready.

[violet wyvern]

Only if they hit you with sum but if they did 🫡

[vestal ibex]

Wicked is apply a status effect and get X% weapon damage, forget the amount tho.

It's 18% for 20 seconds or 27 seconds for perfect.

[gentle lichen]

Actually are the status effects from ouro affected by your status effects attributes?

[vestal ibex]

Yes but it's so small because the status you inflict is so minor it's just not worth it.

[velvet helm]

bois, why can't I select the targeted loot at countdown?

[gentle lichen]

I thinking more about boosting the foam or shock from ouro

[velvet helm]

do I have to at least finish it once?

[vestal ibex]

I saw someone have a bugged targeted loot selection for countdown. Summit shares the same targeted loot selection so change it for there and countdown will change with it.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but half a ouro mag is 1 second or so and the status it inflicts is like 1 second so you get maybe 2 seconds?

You also can't reapply a status you've already given until it runs out so ouro gives status on first shot and not after that anyway unless that status runs out.

So it's worse than I previously described.

I guess there is a reason elmo status effect builds never caught on and the same applies here.

[gentle lichen]

I was thinking instead of being defensive by having hazpro you would be offensive by going status and throwing it back at them

[vestal ibex]

How long would that foam bullet need to last for you to consider it effective?

Like a good investment and fight changing?

[gentle lichen]

Long enough to make them consider clicking square to manually remove it instead of waiting it out

[bronze hound]

wdym

[gentle lichen]

When you're foamed you either wait it out or try to hold square to remove it from yourself or shoot it

Most players wait it out

[bronze hound]

oh i misread

[gentle lichen]

And actually you can apply foam bullets if you shoot yourself with foam under combat and reload

[bronze hound]

i was so confused by what i read

[vestal ibex]

Do you think you can roll enough status effect on to even reach that?

[bronze hound]

i read
How long is long enough for them to consider clicking square to manually remove it instead of waiting it out

my brain died for a moment

[gentle lichen]

Maybe firm handshake and anarchist's cookbook

Firm handshake would honestly be good since it's a 2in1

[bronze hound]

we need a named wyvern vest with perfectly kinetic momentum

tbh

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but now you've got a build that does so much less damage without your single foam you'll be downed anyway.

[hazy steeple]

@bronze hound Monkey's paw curls: it's going to be Lengmo though.

[vestal ibex]

And your foam might not help being twice as long cause 1 vs 2 seconds isn't much if you've lost all that damage and can't get the kill.

[velvet helm]

tfw as soon as countdown finished, the game crash

🗿

[vestal ibex]

The true division experience.

It's like sand paper, it'll smooth out.

[bronze hound]

its like sand paper
i can never get the right grit

and i always tend to need the highest grits that you cant find anywhere in stores

[velvet helm]

ahh yes

[vestal ibex]

Might need a sanding compound and buffers at that point.

[bronze hound]

ive wanted to go up to 14k grit

but the highest i have is 3k

[vestal ibex]

Yeah cause you use sanding/polish compound at that point.

[bronze hound]

polish didnt work

[vestal ibex]

Well keep working on your builds and I'm sure they'll shine soon enough.

[bronze hound]

:p

[velvet helm]

first try countdown looking for elmo, a guy on the raid team got it and just give it to me cus he already got one, true division experience

🗿

[tulip charm]

Good thing you asked for it

[vestal ibex]

Yeah if you tell people stuff you need peeps can be super cool and drop it for you or they might invite you after and drop in a private game. Some people are super helpful.

[balmy fern]

hmmm looking to make another loadout for my St Elmos, but instead of Eclipse Protocol, likely looking at either Striker's or Heartbreaker. What is everyone's thoughts on the two?

[vestal ibex]

do et.

Spreadsheet has build guides, you've already looked up and know about it right?

[balmy fern]

I've been looking at the spreadsheet yes, which is why I was settling between hb and sb

[vestal ibex]

Both, just make both.

They are easy and quick to farm but one has more survivability and one has more damage.

[balmy fern]

Gotcha ty. I just need to farm Countdown backpacks on Heroic and some exotic caches and see if I can't grab Memento. Seems like it'd be good for this. Almost every build guide I can find for AR's in general recommend Memento and I can't blame em...its pretty neat.

Right now I am running St Elmos+EP+Vile+stinger hive for a nice status effect spread build

But now I want a straight up red build lmao

[vestal ibex]

What's second skill?

[balmy fern]

fixer drone, since a lot of the EP is focused on status effect, repair, etc to keep me going

[vestal ibex]

Should swap that stinger for firestarter.

MUCH more damage and 8-9 charges.

[bronze hound]

What's happening

[vestal ibex]

NO! Shhhhh

[bronze hound]

Huh

[balmy fern]

ah right now my Stinger Hive is at 17 charges

Got a nice exotic mod drop to do +4 charges

I'd be down to try firestarter though

[vestal ibex]

Bleed is just so weak compared to the fire.

[balmy fern]

True...plus fire basically makes them no longer shoot at you since yknow, theyre on fire lmao

[vestal ibex]

So when using fire starter you'll shoot the cloud down and then double press the skill button to ignite the cloud of gas.

It takes practice to learn the best place and how to shoot it to make sure they don't jump away before lighting them on fire too but it is super powerful.

[magic pilot]

Everyone get your closer and setup while you can

[balmy fern]

Gotcha ty for the tips! Right now I basically pop fixer drone, run up to yellow bars in free roam or Countdown, toss Stinger at their feet and then roll backwards to cover and just light em up with guns

EP just makes it hilarious watching Vile and Bleed just spread to everything

[vestal ibex]

Yeah with my EP I run fire sticky and firestarter chem and just burn them all. Fire sticky is super powerful to start a fight as you can kill a red/purple instantly in solo heroic.

[balmy fern]

Gotcha. Yeah I'll look into this stuff for sure. I'm done work in like 10mins, so I will be hopping on Heroic Countdown for some gearset goodies. Though, what's your take? HB or SF? HB I feel like is compatible with more AR's like TKB, Chamelon etc while SF is just more consistent

I know you said both, but is there any reason to farm one over the other first? Like farm Hb first, then do SF second?

[vestal ibex]

HB is better for solo heroic and just not dying, strikers is what you'll want if you really wanna do the end game content and really dish out dps. I used to use HB in open world and backup calls but now I pretty much HF HH regulus everything outside of raids, lego, countdown, and the incursion.

[open flint]

How about the DZ manhunt build

[true summit]

hey guys, I cant remember. Does DTOC work on the stinger hive or was it DTA?

[balmy fern]

Damn, DTA superior

[open flint]

What's this?

[balmy fern]

I know HF is Hunter Fury, whats HH?

[vestal ibex]

Head hunters.

[balmy fern]

Ah

[vestal ibex]

That build is in the builds hub too.

[balmy fern]

I think I will go Striker's and throw on my Fox's or Picaro's since I recently got a perfect Picaro's roll with max stats

[vestal ibex]

Strikers is pretty easy, chest is only for situations where you can maintain 200 stacks, coyotes is BIS if solo and group dependent if someone else is running it. Ceska is almost always BIS too especially for low SHD players.

[balmy fern]

I have been looking through the spreadsheet and all the tabs for a few days now and just see in depth info on what each gearset is and does, where to farm, etc and same thing for exotics. Is there a tab I am missing that actually shows good examples on how to throw everything together?

[fickle light]

...builds?

[vestal ibex]

Targeted loot. You are running countdown so you gud.

[balmy fern]

Ah, gotcha. I might've misunderstood

[vestal ibex]

Some exotics are projects tho so you have to do specific things to get them.

[open flint]

Which DPS build better than striker

[vestal ibex]

Context?

[balmy fern]

Reminds me I gotta resume Nemesis lol...got the sniper and dismantled for the scope

[vestal ibex]

perfect week to do it, GWH is invaded.

Get a second part for your nem and puck will drop the BP for you.

[balmy fern]

Wait, next step for me after The Tally...isn't to do Capitol stronghold again?

[open flint]

Striker DPS build

[balmy fern]

OH is this the thing I just found on Reddit that mentions how GWH will now drop Puck's BP for you even if you dont have the other 3 parts yet from Klutz, Shorty, and Prime?

[vestal ibex]

PVP? PvE? Solo heroic? Hard speed running? DH raid? Iron horse raid? Incursion? There are certain times things out DPS strikers but if you don't give context it's a maybe.

[open flint]

I've seen striker build forming these days that's why I'm asking

[tulip charm]

Because its enough do everything

and very easy to build it

[hexed steppe]

Striker top single target dps.
Negotiator's dilemma top multi target dps.

[open flint]

Extra

Exactly

Negotiator's dilemma is excellent

[tulip charm]

It is

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's all I use when I'm running a dps set.

[vestal ibex]

It's situational. It all is yo.

[open flint]

I remember it now

[hexed steppe]

You will need 2 parts for the nemesis blueprint to drop 1 from tidal and 1 from any of the invaded strongholds.
Technically at that point when you have the blueprint , nemesis can drop from sniper TL regardless if project is complete or not 🍻

[open flint]

Thank you for that

I'll make a build for it

[balmy fern]

gotcha ty

[grizzled garnet]

just put this together with the aid of @tepid trout and the damage numbers are related to the 2 builds (same just top dmg is top build with perfect HH and bottom dmg is bottom build with perfect glass cannon)

any tips on useage or optimization

[hexed steppe]

Will you be maining the regulus or just using for shtf moments?

[grizzled garnet]

shtf moments?

[hexed steppe]

Shit hits the fan*

[bronze hound]

local you made up that acronym

[grizzled garnet]

not exactly them moments but still not mained

[hexed steppe]

Then go with glass. Hh is really strong but it's for chaining shots

[grizzled garnet]

when a beefy enemy shows up i use regulus. most other cases famas or the bakers dozen

[fickle light]

yeah no its just not regularly used

[bronze hound]

ive never heard anyone use that acronym

[grizzled garnet]

me neither

[bronze hound]

aspect gaslighting us fr

[fickle light]

just because you've personally never heard it doesnt mean it just isnt a thing

[grizzled garnet]

nuh uh

[hexed steppe]

🤔 I guess it's just common in other circles

[grizzled garnet]

does anyone have a regulus centered build that isnt a marshmallow (perfect glass cannon :3 )

[hexed steppe]

Regulus centered is headhunter.

[grizzled garnet]

just swap from glass cannon to hh?

no cores changed?

[hexed steppe]

Many will use HH with hunters fury.
Your build is another method.
More preference tbh.
Headhunter scales with wd so you want all red cores.

[grizzled garnet]

and what is the method your build uses?

[hexed steppe]

I don't use regulus. I do have a determined d50 on my hotshot build tho. I dont spec anything to pistol other than spec points.
Personally if I was going to build around the pistol it would be hunters fury. You disorient anything close that isnt dead and get armor on kill

[grizzled garnet]

ok and drop the dodge city holster for a hf piece?

im thinking punchdrunk, chainkiller and 4 pc hf but the hf backpack doesnt seem overly useful tbh

[hexed steppe]

That's preference . It's a good way to start your chain tho. Probably better off with dh vigilance over punch drunk

Vigilance is a huge buff

[grizzled garnet]

but is also dependant on whether you get shot or not

[hexed steppe]

You'll have bulwark shield in this build

[grizzled garnet]

ik its not dh but i have a prov bag with vigilance

[hexed steppe]

If vig is truly fixed you wont lose the buff to shield hits

Yeah that works as well. the thing with dh is more min maxing, squeezing every bit of damage in.

[grizzled garnet]

welp... my goal for now is to get it good enuf and then maybe worry about min maxing is the difference is significant enough

[deep crescent]

Im just coming back to the game after year just wondering what builds are good etc now can someone fill me in ?

[bronze hound]

nothings really changed

[hexed steppe]

Probably not tbh. As long as you can make your kills with it then you're gold.
You already have a workable set, give it a solid run for a bit and see if you like the feel of it. How much you like or dislike will determine if you put the effort into min/maxing 🍻

[astral kraken]

@urban latch I've been practicing using oxy on stage 1 incursion. Currently just trying to do it solo so I can learn where to be and how to place the shots. Do you think there's anything I can change here to do a little more damage? I start left just like in your video but 4 shots doesn't seem to do it... like it needs a little more. I tried running Acosta's but I radius becomes so large that I can't tell if I'm going to hit it or not.

I was able to destroy them both but I had to go left, then right, then back to left to finish off the left one.

[urban latch]

you can run acostas since your not getting anything out of tech support

I shot 4, run then OC to avoid exactly that

althought I think in that video I used energize because I kept needing a med kit anyways

[astral kraken]

Ok cool. I just did it w/o Acosta's but it took much longer. Gonna keep practicing with Acosta's.

I think I fired like 6 on the left one then had to dodge around a bunch around right till I could put enough shots on haha

Probably much easier to place the shots w/ a group. Figured if I can do it solo reliably then with a group it'll be ez.

Yesss going back to Acosta's worked like a charm

[urban latch]

Using glory daze also helps a ton. Only reason I used chatter was because I was solo and in more of a rush than normal

[astral kraken]

I think initially I was just placing the shots wrong

Yea I feel like chatter helped a bit on the left due to the adds

Hmm what about Harmony?

Tap once before throwing decoy

Nope that just pulled aggro on the guy I tapped 😂

[urban latch]

The glory daze stability effects the sway for oxys

This is a bit tougher of a shot, and you need a teammate to run forward to make the turrets actually render so the oxys work, but this is how we run it in speedruns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?si=ZrYsYWbDF7EZtCm5&v=LuUU4Oip_BU&feature=youtu.be

also your switching to the shotgun when your done shooting right?

[astral kraken]

yea for the extra dmg

@urban latch Thank youuuuuuu

[urban latch]

Nice!

[hearty forge]

I think I got a "god roll" but it's a meh looking gun. PP19 with maxed smg damage, crit chance, and headshot damage. Worth doing something with?

[glossy scarab]

kind of an um. not good

[hearty forge]

thought so, can't pull the stats because I have them already in my library

[untold hearth]

What's the healer build needed for Incursion???

I finished my striker build already, so need to start grinding for a healer build

[urban latch]

4p fi, opportunistic backpack, btsu gloves, technician spec, and sledgehammer (lefty)

[flint wave]

rip survivalist

[untold hearth]

I was about to say no survivalist? 😅

But ok I think I need to see about the backpack but I got the gloves. Just need fi pieces

I'm guessing all yellow cores?

[urban latch]

Farming a cp4s is currently giving people the setup blueprint which makes it super easy to get a good perfect opportunistic backpack

[tawdry flare]

Did you get those bp

[urban latch]

You want six skill tiers, but technician gives you +1 skill tier

[urban latch]

Yep lol

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I messaged in every discord I know of lol

[tawdry flare]

Finally got my status and repair skill setup

Skill dng and repair too

But no skill haste and repair

[untold hearth]

Ok, any heal skills necessary for Incursion

[urban latch]

Repair chem and hive

[tawdry flare]

Mhh just take a lefty with ya for sledgehammer

[untold hearth]

Already got it 👍🏻

[torn ore]

I need a PvP Ouro build right now

i need to shit on players like I've had a 4 course meal between taco bell, del polo taco, chipotle, and your moms cooking

(joking about the last part)

[untold hearth]

So I have 2 of these

Should I recalibrate one of them or get a better one

Like what stats should I be looking into for the healer build?

I've never invested into a support build

[shy willow]

Youre looking for repair skills/skill haste

God roll would be both so you can roll the core to yellow

[urban latch]

Recal repair skills on it and even with the armor core technician will get you to skill tier 6

[untold hearth]

Ok then now I'ma have to get another bag. I was even gonna say if that core needs to be yellow lol

[urban latch]

Obviously ideally you'd have skill haste as well, but it's nbd

[shy willow]

If youre running technician then no but if survivalist then you’d need a yellow core

[untold hearth]

It be technician

But now I am have to get a new backpack SETUP now lol

[shy willow]

Then yeah you can just roll repair skills on one

[merry stone]

is it just from cps??

[urban latch]

My understanding is it needs to be heroic/level 4

[shy willow]

Is it even intended

[urban latch]

I'm not sure lol

[merry stone]

ok i am heroic so thats good, now do they drop when you capture the point or when u open the cache in the supply room?

[shy willow]

Id better get to farming then before that shit poofs

[untold hearth]

Gonna recalibrate the Chd into a repair skills

[urban latch]

When you open the crate

[shy willow]

That’ll work

[merry stone]

i dont think so but they did say that they would give bps for older season passes on control points

[untold hearth]

Done, now I need 3pieces of future initiative. My holster has a full skill haste on it. How should the other pieces be?

[shy willow]

Just mix of repair/haste

[untold hearth]

Gotcha

[shy willow]

The data gloves will give a huge boost to your hive haste anyway

[untold hearth]

My gloves are luckily a god roll lol

Fully maxed

[cerulean smelt]

think someone mentioned there could be a possiblity if this was unintended it'd go poof from our inventory anyways

[shy willow]

Shit

Surely they couldnt roll back all the backpacks you craft with it tho

[cerulean smelt]

i did it for the chest and backpack so 🤷 saw a video of it on youtube

[untold hearth]

Bro I know I need future initiative but look at this 🤣 this is some weird ass hybrid shit

[shy willow]

Wh-

[untold hearth]

Ik ik I need future initiative, I'm about to run countdown for 3 more pieces. Chest, knees and head lol

[astral kraken]

Hybrid - a thing made by combining two different elements; a mixture
That's more like... quad-brid lol

[untold hearth]

LMAO

No I'm not gonna keep it that long, I need 3 more pieces 🤣

Trust lol

However I'ma test this

[balmy fern]

Holy crap glad I went strikers for St Elmo's after y'all gave me advice yesterday. The amount of power this build puts out... I'm not even optimized and already at 50%+ CHC with 70% CHD. Both Elmo's and my second gun run CHC bonuses so it just feels like every hit is a crit plus the weapon damage....full red is addicting

My only catch is it's unoptimized....666.6k armor, so I wanna try to get to like 800k or something

Maybe a nice chest piece with a good bonus armor perk or something.

[cerulean smelt]

if you're going the all Weapon Damage core approach then armor isn't going be a thing you can get unless you want to drop weapon cores to armor cores

[balmy fern]

Yeah I just learned weapon CHC counts against the 60% Max and I'm at 50+ on armor alone so I might be able to swap an attribute out for armor Regen. I think I care more about Regen than I do armor cores since on heroic it just goes fast anyway.

[astral kraken]

Armor regen isn't going to help you

You're only going to get a few % per second at most and your armor is so low already that it won't matter

If you want some survivability take whatever red DPS build you're running and add 1 or 2 blue cores

Anything else is a waste

[balmy fern]

Maybe a chest armor with a good perk for bonus armor?

[astral kraken]

Or you can run Memento

[balmy fern]

I don't have memento yet sadly

[cerulean smelt]

or if you have the memento woudl increase your armor and the trophies will net you a bit more bonus armor for survivability

[balmy fern]

One of these days I'll get it to drop from an exotic cache

[astral kraken]

No because you're giving up a damage talent on chest. Even if you have Unbreakable on chest (a lot of ppl think it's good initially) then that won't help you either b/c it has a cooldown. So yea you'll survive one flank and then you're hosed anyway.

Better to just learn how to position so you don't get hit.

Just run a crusader shield and use cover. Works great.

[balmy fern]

Oh that could work. Been running fixer drone. I'm on Gunner right now which has a few shield perks so I'm game

[astral kraken]

Standard is crusader shield and revive hive in case you mess up. Once you get comfortable replace revive hive with something that'll CC enemies like foam or shock trap or something like that. You can rely on armor kits for health if you make mistakes.

[cerulean smelt]

gunner has no shield perks. it does have Armor On Kill though but it's a measily amount that doesn't save you worth a jack

[balmy fern]

Oh right no I'm thinking of pulse. Specifically banshee pulse

[cerulean smelt]

Firewall has the shield mods and striker shield

[astral kraken]

yea that's a good one

[cerulean smelt]

ok that's irritating.....

haven't altered it yet as i'm still in the hunt for a good one but hey it turned to a skill tier too

[untold hearth]

@urban latch @shy willow @astral kraken y'all ain't gonna believe this... 1 hour just in countdown, all SH & RS, healer build ready 🗿

[cerulean smelt]

nah, you're missing scorpio ;p

[untold hearth]

The mods on the mask and chest are max

[untold hearth]

I did in countdown 👀

[cerulean smelt]

picture shows lefty and famas

[untold hearth]

Did they even fix that issue for Incursion I'm sure, cuz I did read the patch

[untold hearth]

Cuz I didn't think someone would make fun of me 😭

[cerulean smelt]

i'm doubtful considering the pictures i posted above

[untold hearth]

See

[cerulean smelt]

my Lavosier armor core turned into a skill tier from this update and my backbone armor turned into skill tier too

[untold hearth]

RIP , I have 3 backbones that ended up that way

[cerulean smelt]

i haven't gotten 1 decent backbone yet for my pestilence build

[untold hearth]

I can't believe I made this heal build in an hour 😅

But Scorpio tho? U sure

[cerulean smelt]

that's the power of countdown if you can dig it

probably personal preference at this point, but you get all shots landed with scorpio + Perfect Opportunistic = quite a bit damage from my point of view

[untold hearth]

Took me a week for a striker build ☠️ but because of a job

[cerulean smelt]

countdown is too stressful for my tastes honestly

[untold hearth]

Lol

[rich lotus]

Should I run memento or coyotes mask on striker

And should I run memento or vile on a exuro build

[cerulean smelt]

try them both and figure which one is more comfortable for you?

[untold hearth]

Wouldn't a repair drone be better? Or I'm fine with these for Incursion

[stiff orbit]

bro what? how is countdown stressful? promise i’m not trying to be rude, i just don’t know how you could consider it stressful…

[cerulean smelt]

you have a limited amount of time to do things in the game. we use it to get loot for builds and trying not to fall behind too much. just stressful for my tastes

[stiff orbit]

my perspective on the limited time is that is actually is less stressful than other missions. The objectives don’t take long and it’s super easy to find groups for it. I can just casually go play a countdown, get solid gear, and it only takes 15 mins.

[delicate laurel]

15 min time limit

Most people finish with like 2 or 3 mins to spare

[stiff orbit]

honestly if you play with people who are solid you can get extra look just chilling at the end

[delicate laurel]

For extraction you have 3 mins to get to the spot kill hunters and kill any BT

[stiff orbit]

i really don’t know how you consider that stressful, unless your build doesn’t do enough dmg….

[delicate laurel]

That's why people wait till 5 seconds to single extraction cause the helicopter will keep coming and its free loot and xp

[cerulean smelt]

i'd feel it being less stressful if it was you extract it'd just hand you all the gear that dropped while you were in there. if you don't extract get some consolation cache XD

[stiff orbit]

yeah, and you don’t even need to talk to other people and people already do that without saying anything

[delicate laurel]

Just pray you don't get skill build players

[stiff orbit]

run FI and just chill while some try hard shreds everything with a striker oro build

[delicate laurel]

That's me im the striker oreo guy

[stiff orbit]

there’s always at least one

same here, oro is just too good

[delicate laurel]

We call it oreo not oro

[stiff orbit]

i low key use countdown as a dps test

new build, you can bet i’m in countdown testing it

[delicate laurel]

The guns I see used most in CD are elmos Scorpio and oreo

[stiff orbit]

not having elmo when i first got back to the game was hard

[delicate laurel]

Though I don't use the strikers chest that gives 200 stacks I use the bp

[cerulean smelt]

mine is collecting dust in the stash XD

[stiff orbit]

haven’t been using it since oro came out?

[delicate laurel]

Elmos is good but people rely on it too much

[cerulean smelt]

tested it out a few times. just don't like Elmo in general XD

[delicate laurel]

I like my famas and C7

[stiff orbit]

i mean what do you want bro? it’s a 71 round mag that does incredible dmg and high fr

[cerulean smelt]

famas is fun but i've been unlucky with those :/

[delicate laurel]

I love my famas

[stiff orbit]

i’m a m4 & ak guy

[delicate laurel]

AKM is really good with its low RPM if you can control the recoil it hits super hard

[fickle light]

Elmo's DPS does lag behind quite a few weapons, but its used because its quite easy to get and the mods on it do a lot of work.

[cerulean smelt]

that's how i feel with MK16 XD

[stiff orbit]

you get it, it’s hsd is super solid due to its stability

[delicate laurel]

Oh when I was using it at full stacks I was close to 2 mill hsd per crit

[cerulean smelt]

was interesting they tried to get people to use Elmo + Shield + Shocker Puncher

[delicate laurel]

Ewww

[stiff orbit]

ND + shockpunch shield elmo isn’t a bad gimmick build

[cerulean smelt]

after going back to Div 1 for some D3fenc3 pieces i realized they might've been trying to make something akin to the GE they had on Div1 and to me it just fails in general

[stiff orbit]

fair, then again pretty much anything is good with ND

[cerulean smelt]

only time i used ND was a build a buddy made up with Bullet King and farming them manhole spawns. was great

tried it with Oreo and wasn't impressed

Tried Oreo with HF and it didn't work most of the time. like i'd confuse 1 or 2 npcs the others marked would just continue to shoot me unaffected

so my current oreo build is 4 strikers + chest, grupo mask i think? and devil's due backpack (perfect clutch) pretty fun to some aspect

[rich lotus]

How do you build headhunter

[hexed steppe]

easy way is 4pc hotshot , walker harris chain killer chest (perfect headhunter), airaldi vigilance bag.

unicorn way (3-2-1) is 3pc hotshot, 2pc habsburg guard (1 or both with vigilance or headhunter) , 1 airaldi (with missing vigilance or headhunter if needed)

both versions will have headshot damage main attributes and mods, and weapon handling secondary attributes.
weapon damage brands go further on the top end damage, but something like providence can be an ok fill in piece if you dont have the unicorns.

mantis/nemesis/white death main weapon
secondary weapon is preference
regulus/determined d50 pistol

skills are preference.
with mantis it makes sense to have a decoy as the mantis talent revolves around that.
i commonly see decoy and reviver regardless if mantis is used or not

[untold hearth]

I'm working on technician for the 6th skill tier. But overall this is what's mandatory needed for Heal Build on incursion right?

Backpack btw is named SetUp with Perfect Opportunistic talent.

[astral kraken]

Yep!

[untold hearth]

Alrighty then, just wanted to double check 👍🏻

[rich lotus]

Mind telling me the setup so I can run it

[gentle lichen]

I believe you can get its blueprint from a heroic CP

So getting a repair skills skill haste one would be much easier

[hazy steeple]

I believe this is what most people use for a [FI Healer setup.] (https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea/6160294f8f6e72cf99375efb0813747a)

Oh whatever, close enough.

[merry stone]

i like the healer mines over launcher and have found good success with it

[untold hearth]

@gentle lichen I think I have a blueprint but I had the backpack sitting in my storage luckily I kept it.

However it is a blue core with explosive damage resistance, but the other attribute is a full Skill haste and skill repair mod near full. Everything I have is also full on skill haste and repair. So I think it's all basically perfect.

[gentle lichen]

I was just saying you can craft your desired attributes and then roll it to yellow

To allow yourself to use survivalist which will increase team dps

[untold hearth]

Plus I forgot to mention I'm just about to get the 6th skill tier from technician

[untold hearth]

Survivalist is the last one I've never ever used so that's kind of why I'm doing technician instead for the sixth skill tier I would have to grind for another backpack for that reason for it to be on the survivalist side like in the link so just right now I'm just going with technician plus I prefer just the one blue core personally for my own sakes I don't go down easily Just because I think it helps. Other than that I think I did this one just right plus I deal with explosions with this so that explosive resistance helps to lol

Plus I forgot who told me to use technician lol

[gentle lichen]

Well survivalist has fire nade which is the best way to proc perfect sledge and it has a bonus 10% more damage to status affected enemies for entire group

So when you use scorpio on boss teammates will also have another damage multiplier

[untold hearth]

I will keep that in mind when I switch to survivalist later plus again I need a different backpack well then again I mean I have a named one It has the one where it has perfect tech support I just forgot the name of it which I think that one would replace the current one as you see and then I will use survivalist now that I think about it

[gentle lichen]

Nah stay on setup just find or craft one with repair skill already rolled and then roll skill tier

[untold hearth]

You are about to make me switch to survivalist sir 🤣. I got to check the mod though however on my current backpack cuz I'm not sure if it's skill repair or skill haste because I really don't have that many mods for yellow I only have the two good ones that are literally on this build lol

[astral kraken]

There's more! The specialization weapon will one shot the armor off of a chunga.

It's the perfect support spec

[untold hearth]

Definitely now gotta switch to survivalist, need to grind the backpack

I just got the St. Elmo 😤🗿! In countdown

[astral kraken]

I haven't put together a high-end DPS build in a while. I recently started to do raids so throwing together a high-end DPS build for that. Any critiques?

Oh oops for pistol it'll be kard custom

[grizzled garnet]

Your chc is too high to be having coyotes

With coyotes you want around 50% chc

[astral kraken]

I like having 60 at close range

I'm just using it to get more CHD

[grizzled garnet]

Aside from that the rest looks good

Maybe have optimist over fast hands on the famas

[gentle lichen]

Ehh fast hands will sustain but if you want bigger numbers go for strained

Optimist is for bursts but if you mag dump a famas pretty sure strained wins over it

[grizzled garnet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Rest looks good though. Just the famas talent and the chc

Then again imma guess theyre using the ouroboros most of the time

[round zinc]

swap out famas for a rifle

just for long range precision

[rose juniper]

anything i should change? still tryna get better stats on the chest, its for incursion btw

[round zinc]

looks pretty solid for a striker build

[rose juniper]

Yeah it plays good to, just tryna get my stats on the chest up

[grizzled garnet]

Thats the blue mod on the bag?

[rose juniper]

oh forgot to change that

[grizzled garnet]

👍

[rose juniper]

changed it to chd

[grizzled garnet]

Was gonna ask why chc but you corrected yourself

[rose juniper]

yea, mistyped it

my chd is now 126,7 with that change

[grizzled garnet]

👍

[torn ore]

I need a PvP build for ouroboros

[urban latch]

For lovebirds technician is key for the faraday perk. Without it you can get jammed and it'll wipe your whole team.

Plus the raid bosses don't take status effects, but for some reason the emp grenade procs sledge on them as well, so the fire grenade isnt really needed either.

[gentle lichen]

Instead of walker harris kneepad use foxes with chd and armor and instead of lady death use ouro

[gentle lichen]

Fair point. Might i ask why it wipes if jammed?

[urban latch]

Suddenly 1/4 of your team is useless and no one has heals

[gentle lichen]

This is after Johnson dies right?

[urban latch]

No, during the damage phase

[gentle lichen]

Huh. Never been jammed during damage phase only on enraged martinez

I'll keep it in mind then

[urban latch]

It doesn't happen every time, but when it does your basically fucked

[untold hearth]

Therefore technician for heal build. (Only saying this cuz neither my technician or survivalist is fully maxed)

[astral kraken]

Well that explains so much...

We've had so many wipes where it was like why aren't we healing

Then we do the exact same strat again and it's like butter

[urban latch]

Yep went through exactly the same thing lol

[urban latch]

Outside the incursion, especially raids, survivalist is the way to go

[untold hearth]

Ah ok then, but for the incursion tech is the way

[astral kraken]

This damn game. I'm out of loadouts. I had one healer build with Survivalist and it was great. Now I need to make room for one with Technician 🤦‍♂️

[urban latch]

Outside 1 specific strat named after the faraday perk lol

[round zinc]

someone clear me on this:if i have a technician teammate do i benefit from faraday if im using my own skill or only when im near their skill

[urban latch]

I setup a whole character just for incursions because I needed the loadouts

[urban latch]

It's only when your near their deployed skills

[round zinc]

thank you

[untold hearth]

@urban latch So I'm all good with this then right? (Will get that 6th skill tier off the specialization soon lol)

[urban latch]

Yep

[untold hearth]

Alright thank you 👍🏻 oh I got st Elmo finally lol

They did fix the issue using the Scorpio in incursion right?

[urban latch]

Yes

[torn ore]

Is that the named bp with metador?

[gentle lichen]

Yes

[torn ore]

Why Petrov gloves?

[gentle lichen]

It's the named contractor's

8% armor damage

[torn ore]

Doesn't it give lmg dmg

[gentle lichen]

Irrelevant when compared to the armor damage it gives you

Just like foxes'

[torn ore]

Is it a named glove?

If so what's the name

Nvm I know what it is

[astral kraken]

Ok so I'm really feeling this build. I was going to try it out just for kicks and switch when it failed me. But it held out so damn well. It feels like just the right balance of damage/defense on leg. On every stage I'm able to push up and stay there instead of hiding in the back and shooting. Am I crazy? The stats screen is with 4 directives (not pistolero).

Skills were shield and decoy not revive hive.

[hexed steppe]

you might go survivalist for 10% more pfe and shared medkit

[neat iris]

going to use the virginian rifle, coyote vs foxes?

[astral kraken]

I can't decide between that and demo for the ignore explosions perk.

Plus that nade launcher does work against dogs/tanks... apparently.

I unloaded on the dog wave and they were all half dead after.

[hexed steppe]

yeah its a toss up for sure. i was thinking about that myself since its all drones and nades

[hot pebble]

Does cavalier also share explosive resistance

[onyx sage]

nah

[hexed steppe]

i dont think so. iirc its hazpro and skill damage reduction

[hot pebble]

Hazpro, movement speed debuff immunity and incoming skill damage

Was asking because I’m not sure if explosives would fall under the movement speed immunity or what

Like how the different status effects affect your ability to run

[onyx sage]

explo res, pulse res don't fall under it, and movement speed debuffs are rather explicit ones like sledgehammer

only bleed is a SE that does have movement speed debuff as a side-effect, but it is covered by hazpro

[hot pebble]

Fire also does I believe

[onyx sage]

nope

you just can't aim, but you walk and run just as fast as normal

[hot pebble]

What about disorient?

[onyx sage]

nope either

[slate wedge]

we even use demo for wright and lovebirds because then we can have 3 people with striker shield and still have the 5% dtooc

[tawdry flare]

Survivalist bow to one shot weak points in raids👀

[urban latch]

Yeah, souless was running it like that as well. I think it's fine when your quick, but if things go slowly, either DPS wise or lovebirds just do weird things, then you can get emped, so we ended up swapping to tech

[tawdry flare]

Faraday I gues

But someone with oxi and artificer hive can give ya that bonus

[slate wedge]

good i dont even know what slow means

[tawdry flare]

Ok than make my game load fast without upgrading my pc

[slate wedge]

last part ruined it

[tawdry flare]

Ik

[magic pilot]

1 tech, 1 firewall 2 demo

[vestal ibex]

3 firewall and 1 demo. I need to clip some of our recent love bird kills but they are stupid fast now. Most of the time we have to stop on martinez to wait for johnson to come up to middle otherwise we'd kill her before shooting him at all. I'm doing an early sledge on martinez so we can pop off as much damage early on while 1 goes for drone and the other two shoot ez ad kills or just damage martinez.

[urban latch]

I thought oxy was faster?

[vestal ibex]

Brah I will fite you. You know exactly what I mean when I said that lol. I do think killing love birds could be faster if you only look at the time both of them are up there with oxy but it's harder, takes build changes which you can't do if you 1 phase wright, would need 1 dps for drone and would be slower overall from gate open to mission finish. When we did our run of it we didn't have it optimized for speed just with skills. In the end I don't think that you should compare 10 meters of a 100 meter race to decide who wins that's just dumb and that's what we are seeing be done here.

[urban latch]

Hot take, I can run 10m faster than you can run 100m, so clearly I'm quicker

[hazy steeple]

no, bad rivens.

[vestal ibex]

I'm fast as fuc boi

[bronze hound]

even if we divide this into velocity youll still win lol

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch the talent that refill mag on 100 hits does it count pellet or bullet for shotgun

[bronze hound]

can it even roll on shotguns

[tawdry flare]

I think yes

Let me check library

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[bronze hound]

then the answer is no

its per shell

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[slate wedge]

can be but 99% of the time it is kinda awful

[vestal ibex]

Anything can be good if you ignore all the time it's bad.

[round zinc]

striker merciless go brrrrrrrr

[shut thistle]

Ongoing Directive, with what ? Need your advice

[magic pilot]

PGC and gift

Carnage lmg with chc rolled

[young shadow]

anyone know a good gunner build?

[hexed steppe]

striker

check the pinned spreadsheet

📌

[grizzled garnet]

@hexed steppe for the hf hh vigiliance regulus build what specialisation do i need/want?

also on hh is there a cooldown or something after it goes away since i keep getting headshots and it just doesnt give it me for a while

[vestal ibex]

No CS on HH it does run out after 30 seconds and the icon is buggy so you might have it and no icon.

Spec is preference here as is with most any build.

[grizzled garnet]

with spec would you recommend then?

i was thinking technician for the artificier to get skill tier

also is it possible to swap my vigilance backpack for momento?

[vestal ibex]

Tech is nice if you wanna hide behind the bulwark or another shield, firewall has op medkit and amp damage from crusader also the fire on armor break is super helpful, these are the two I'd suggest but it's up to you.

[vestal ibex]

So interesting thing about this build is you can keep chainkiller and swap a couple things around, memento is one and DCH being the other good one if you have trouble starting your fights it'll also mean you have the BP on which helps CC people on kill.

[grizzled garnet]

i'll try it out in a countdown run and see how it fairs

ik it doesnt compare to regulus in any way but i might also try something with a determined d50 since my accuracy is terrible

or would you recommend a different sidearm for determined

[onyx sage]

nope, that is the best one

[grizzled garnet]

since i got like this

[onyx sage]

d50/liberty is second best after regulus

[grizzled garnet]

on the d50 do i want dttooc or hsd?

[vestal ibex]

Ehhhh countdown typically isn't the best for HH builds because the spawns/enemy scaling

[grizzled garnet]

its the only content i've been doing rn aside from public executions for shd levels ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal ibex]

Well if it works it works.

[onyx sage]

yeah we are just saying the hp levels in countdown don't make HH ideal

you'd rather just go dps

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but now that I think of it, M870 poppin heads the entire extraction would be dope yo.

[onyx sage]

assuming you can labor through getting first stack yeah kekw

[sinful phoenix]

can the kingbreaker still be acquired from named item caches and/or targeted loot system?

[onyx sage]

yes

[blissful rampart]

its in both

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[sinful phoenix]

i've gotten like good 100 SHD levels on challenging-heroic difficulties trying to farm one but no luck yet lol. ill keep grinding, ty

[hexed steppe]

What they all said above about spec. 👆

I use dttooc on a determined d50

[grizzled garnet]

what who said? souless?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah , I notice all the responses. Solid info 💯

[grizzled garnet]

is artificier worth using over reviver hive? 🤔

[hexed steppe]

Artificer is good for shields. If you're never popping reviver than yeah it's good.

Also decoy

[grizzled garnet]

on another note. the oxi chem build in the spreadsheet says to use waveform but uhhh. i dont got it so can like vile or something be a replacement?

[hexed steppe]

No. But waveform probably isnt ideal either.

The damage shifts between your 2 skills

3 empress
-skill tier sacrifice or wyvern glass chest

• skill damage skill tier contractors gloves
  -skill damage skill tier fox's knee .
  All skill damage /haste rolls
  3 unicorns with the sacrifice/contractors/fox's though 🦄

[vestal ibex]

I mean it doesn't say to use that but it's an alt option.

[grizzled garnet]

ah i misread

[hexed steppe]

Either way it's not ideal

[vestal ibex]

All gud. It's really easy to test what this build will do in the shooting range and just check numbers.

[hexed steppe]

Ig acosta's can be pretty good with it though.

[vestal ibex]

Just know the oxy build is mostly a speed running strat or cheese option for a small select content.

[hexed steppe]

Also if you use tech class for free core 1 of the unicorns can keep its red main core

[vestal ibex]

Atificer is big on oxy build too

[grizzled garnet]

this is what i can slap together from what i already have. only thing is the chest is skill dmg and status effects rather than skill dmg and skill haste

[vestal ibex]

Eh it's alright.

Unicorns are the big thing that'll improve it.

Artificer for mine and you gud.

But really this isn't a "normal content" type build, currently it's best use is incursion turrets if you are with randoms or going for flawless.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah swap the chest at least to glass.

[grizzled garnet]

should i place multiple oxis on an enemy or just one?

[grizzled garnet]

im just worried that i'll die alot with glass cannon but i'll try it

[hexed steppe]

The strength of oxi is when you have a static enemy or know the spawns very well.

[urban latch]

A single oxy isn't that strong, but it does stack. So what oxy is good at is unloading at a spot you know a group of ads will spawn at, and then the moment they spawn they all die before they can even run away

[orchid cloud]

6 skill tiers from the build and 1 from the technician?

[grizzled garnet]

i cant change any cores on the gear since they're already recalibrated

[vestal ibex]

Artificer is worth it.

[orchid cloud]

ahh

[urban latch]

But it's kind of a "blow your whole wad in a single go" type of setup, which is why it's really useful for certain strats, but pretty useless for general gameplay

[grizzled garnet]

what are some more useful general gameplay builds? i got a strikers st. elmos

and a hotshot white death build

[hexed steppe]

Just add chatter for wad blowing 🤣

[vestal ibex]

You got a fire ep build too right?

[urban latch]

The best general use skill build is eclipse by far, outside that there's plenty of various DPS builds

[grizzled garnet]

i checked but i dont have it in my inv or stash

[grizzled garnet]

no but go onnn...

[vestal ibex]

lol it's in the builds eclipse protocol is dope for the burn build and it's CC version is probably the top support I'd suggest to people wanting to help the team.

[grizzled garnet]

oh yea i forgor i have a healer build too

[orchid cloud]

impressive, very nice

[vestal ibex]

Healer is more like "I heal to keep people topped up so they get 25% TWD/TSD at all times" it's more of a buff build when you get down to the inner workings. This is why you see the setup suggested for the backpack because the brand there giving heals doesn't help much. Most healer builds need more haste to keep chems up vs high heals that can't heal a red dps build that has 726k armor.

[grizzled garnet]

i also got this and its not Too dissimilar to the ep fire build but i used to use this in dz i think

[vestal ibex]

I mean you swap the seeker to firestarter chems and you are in business.

[hexed steppe]

Glass eclipse is top burn strength 💯

But yeah no seeker

[vestal ibex]

Just don't get caught on fire yourself. I mean even without PGC you still insta blep

Team mates running in front of you and oof

[grizzled garnet]

i've noticed that alot in countdown

people just walk infront of me while im shooting enemies

[orchid cloud]

much worst if anyone with this build uses incinerator then everyone is toast

[hexed steppe]

Swap to foam in countdown

[grizzled garnet]

so this is good aside from weaps and skills?

[hexed steppe]

If you end up using ep in cd. for foam you'll want habsburg perfect creeping status/haste, ep chest, eletrique mask

[vestal ibex]

Yeah just get some of the CC parts like a status/haste courier backpack.

[hexed steppe]

As long as you're solid with the glass this should burn through heroic content

[grizzled garnet]

alongside foam what else should i run?

[vestal ibex]

Can be used for the speed running leagues too but you might have to nerf it to not insta kill on flame ignite.

[vestal ibex]

Depends on content for CC really, I'll change it per room or situation.

[hexed steppe]

I run burn sticky or jammer as secondary on a cc ep build.

[grizzled garnet]

i'll take it for a run of countdown and see how it goes. i'll also try get lefty since it looks v good

[vestal ibex]

I'll run sticky emp most the time, but I might run jammer, shock traps, scanner, decoy, blinder firefly, and rarely a healing hive for stupid speed stuff.

The CC version can also have the BTSU on and OC as well.

It's all situational and for the lolz sometimes.

[hexed steppe]

Tied to hive tho. I've heard a few using acosta's on cc for the oc foam tho

[vestal ibex]

T6>OC skill isn't a huge leap tho.

I'd take creeping death unless you are hot swapping for certain things.

[hexed steppe]

Judt be mindful of hunter jams and the possibility of the status immune countermeasure.
The more hazpro/disrupt resist you have on ep the shorter the disrupt duration.
Between max watch/ep you'll be sitting @ 40% hazpro

[hexed steppe]

I dont personally use it but it's been mentioned for legs.

That perfect creeping is nice tho.
I'm all 100% hazpro as I only use it in cd, not much room for anything else in that setup 🤣

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I'll CC for lego runs and just if I wanna be a goo shooting dude in open world and don't wanna reg HH.

I just dps for countdown, half the time I just run past enemies tho. Kills don't hold progress most the time it's almost objective that you are waiting for.

[hexed steppe]

Yeah just let the riffraff mop up /s

[grizzled garnet]

on my st elmos striker build if i happen to get ouroboros can i swap st elmos for that?

[vestal ibex]

YUS

[blissful rampart]

yes of course. Oreo stomps on elmo and all other guns in the game atm.

[vestal ibex]

You been farming the incursion yet?

[grizzled garnet]

oki. i thought that ouro only gave special bullets when you get status effected though

[grizzled garnet]

nope :3

been getting builds together

and relearning the game

[blissful rampart]

Oreo talent doesnt matter and is trash tbh. its broken OP solely because of its strong base stats.

[grizzled garnet]

interesting

i'll look into how to do the incursion

but maybe not tonight

[vestal ibex]

I can run you thru and help if you'd like.

[grizzled garnet]

probably like tomorrow afternoon (for me) so like in 15 hrs

[vestal ibex]

Sent DM.

[balmy fern]

hmmm gonna recal my Ceska's to get a different talent. Trying to decide between Vanguard and Obliterate. Already running a CHC/CHD/Dmg build...

Already running crusader shield, so I was leaning towards Vanguard just for the free armor so I can focus on red attr's...thoughts?

[onyx sage]

vanguard doesn't give yourself bonus armor

just run obliterate if you're running a dps build

[balmy fern]

Oh I know, but was still thinking about it

Fair enough lol

[blissful rampart]

well Vanguard gives yourself the bonus armor in raids, maybe in incursion and cant remember if in CD or not. but open world it doesnt.

[flint wave]

Self vanguard works in CD aswell

[hot pebble]

Vanguard does give you armour in raid settings.

[onyx sage]

yes, i know that. i'm talking in general

it is a trap to assume that it does everywhere, because the talent itself doesn't make that very clear

[hot pebble]

And that’s why I asked about explosive resistance earlier

Because nothing is consistent about this game

lol

[astral kraken]

Ceska with Obliterate is one of my most used chests. It just always finds itself into a DPS build.

For maximum flexibility I like having Grupo/Ceska chest with obliterate and Grupo/Ceska backpack with Vigilance.

[balmy fern]

Word. My CHC is maxed out already, so I'm going for a Ceska roll with weapon DMG and armor Regen

My build only has 666k armor, and didn't wanna waste chest talent on armor unless I had to

So a lil bit of Regen helps

[astral kraken]

#td2-build-advice message I learned from watching Raucey's video on YT. Trying to do it solo was a great way to learn it because then I went into it confidently in matchmake groups. It's such a great way to do it b/c even if your teammates want to DPS one side, it's a pretty much guarantee you'll get the other side.

With a solo attempt you're looking to learn where to aim from, practice aiming correctly, dodging/timing around the artillery, and how many shots it takes to kill each turret.

[balmy fern]

but yeah someone in here a while ago told me im better off building regen or armor on kill than total arm since the difference between 3M and 1M armor going byebye is like...2 seconds

Plus I'd have to give up a lot of red cores and such for that much armor, so sparing like one blue attribute for regen is nice. I already added to my recal library a near max regen, so just gotta farm another Ceska chest

[astral kraken]

Your mileage may vary but personally I haven't found armor regen or AoK to be worthwhile as a DPS build. Like... I'll take it if it's part of the gunner spec and I'm using gunner for something else, but I'll never build explicitly for it.

[balmy fern]

Well the idea I guess is to get a Ceska with armor regen and then swap talent to OBliterate

Yeah I am running Gunner currently

[astral kraken]

Also armor regen as an attribute is really not good b/c it's a fixed number value instead of %.

[hexed steppe]

you dont really build that into your attributes. you would use gunner, and if really wanting regen/aok you would use memento/hunters fury

[balmy fern]

Oh I just did the math.

[hexed steppe]

or something like mop/preservation

[balmy fern]

666k armor with 5% regen from armor brands is 33k/s

aint no way one blue core gonna give me all that

[astral kraken]

Well the question is what you're giving up for it. Here's how I think about DPS crit builds: first start with a fully maxed red core, chc, and chd build. So basically all attributes red. You can just run that and clear almost any content fast with the right positioning.

But if you want something more like survability, some sorta skill buff, etc you take that red build I mentioned and start replacing things. Maybe you replace a red core with blue. Maybe you replace a CHD mod with a PFE mod. Every time you replace something you're losing the ability to do your job (DPS). So you need to be very careful about what you decide to replace.

The question is: what exactly is the point of that armor regen? Majority of content in this game has phases/stages where you get your armor back in between them. So you only need enough armor for that phase/stage. You also have armor kits to get yourself out of trouble if something goes wrong. Those things are enough to not need to give up precious attributes/mods and lose DPS.

[astral kraken]

The big benefit of a blue core is it increases your shield tier as well.

[balmy fern]

This is true, Crusader buffs from yellow and blue cores

[astral kraken]

Yep and that shield has regen too.

[balmy fern]

I feel like a yellow core would be better than blue honestly...if shield is more powerful from both a yellow core up-tiering it and just for being yellow...seems the better choice.

Just means I'd need to recalibrate Ceska chest to be yellow core and give up 15% dmg...

[real current]

I’ve started a new character but I’m looking for a help on a good shotgun build

[hexed steppe]

check out the headhunter hunters fury on the pinned sheet. it might be under hunters fury as a variant.

yeah under hf, thatll be a really strong setup. you could set it more traditional with something like scorpio/super90 as well if want a more of a dps feel instead of the 1 shots

[onyx sage]

you run yellow if you want your other skill to also be strong

[balmy fern]

Gotcha

[hexed steppe]

memento would help a lot for shield

[balmy fern]

Yeah for now I went with swapping Ceska chest from obliterate to vanguard and upgraded my expertise on striker since I had it available

Running Coyote ATM since I don't have Memento, but I also like the striker backpack perk since it's always relevant

[hexed steppe]

yeah striker bag tops

[astral kraken]

Very true! In some cases a yellow core will be a better choice. It'll buff all of your other skills along with your shield. I don't think there's an obvious best at that point and it's situational.

A fun one is memento/picaro's/brazos.

[balmy fern]

Oh yeah I love Picaros

I recently got one with all max stats. So happy

[astral kraken]

Something like that you might really like. Memento gives you that armor regen you wanted and you get a tier 5 shield and decoy.

[balmy fern]

woah.

Is Memento a raid drop or just a world exotic drop

[astral kraken]

Just a normal exotic drop

CD on backpack targeted loot should get it for u

[balmy fern]

For now with Strikers, swapping from Obliterate to Vanguard works amazing for Countdown since it works on me as well. I swapped out Cabaret with its Perfect Strike perk for Lefty and my jaw hit the floor with how fast it filled Striker's talent gauge dear LORD

[rich lotus]

Hey how do you build a healer build for incursions for beginners

I'm only shd 40 lol

[balmy fern]

I feel like "quick and dirty" is crusader shield + a chest armor with Vanguard to give you and everyone else a bonus armor worth 45% of your base and run blue cores to have high base armor so the 45% bonus is larger

Everyone loves bonus armor

[glossy scarab]

vanguard doesnt give you any bonus armor. just your group

[untold hearth]

If the backpack was all yellow the core and everything else is Skill Repair and Skill Haste.

My backpack is just a blue core with explosive resistance, because I've had it sit in storage for years until yesterday lol. I ended up making this build from countdown after 1 hour later.

The technician spec gives you a 6th skill tier core, not in this picture doesn't show, but today I got it now fully 6 skill tiers.

Overall I know doesn't seem like a beginner build. But I was told yesterday this is the heal build for Incursion, so I put it together after getting the future initiative pieces

Oh and backpack is named called the SetUp

[rich lotus]

What exotics are those

[untold hearth]

Scorpio shotgun

[rich lotus]

Just focus shotty?

[glossy scarab]

btsu data gloves

[untold hearth]

The other is named AA12 called Lefty which is also a must

[untold hearth]

Backpack has Perfect Opportunistic

Which requires either shotgun or rifle

[untold hearth]

This exotic also

[rich lotus]

Yeah I ran shotty with my strikers

And incinerator grenades to keep it procced longer

[glossy scarab]

if you cant find a the setup you can use alps summit backpack with opportunistic

[rich lotus]

I think I have one
Set is btsu data?

[glossy scarab]

the set is future initiative

[rich lotus]

Thanks m8 so countdown focus initiative, shotguns, and backpacks

[glossy scarab]

repair skills is the attribute you want on all of them usually

[onyx sage]

you don't even need alps really. just a skill tier backpack with repair skills and opportunistic is enough

[glossy scarab]

yeah

hana would be good, murakami would be good

[untold hearth]

@rich lotus this is my striker build.

However I haven't got a updated picture. Specialization needs to be firewall. I got the St Elmo AR now. My Grupo knees are maxed red, so I switched it around a bit.

You'll want the chest also, however in incursion for like the beginning if you can get an all red core with chd and chc, Chest piece with Obliterate on it, either Grupo, Cheska, or Fenrir however you prefer your output for damages.

[rich lotus]

I had 1 armor core on and still hit 1000m damage

[glossy scarab]

1 armor core really isnt doing anything but making you feel safer

but you can get by

[rich lotus]

Huh
Honestly I want to play a tank with damage but I need every build

[untold hearth]

@glossy scarab your right on that, all Reds is a need. @rich lotus However what I like about my striker if I wanted to I could recalibrate like 1 or 2 pieces into a Blue Core, IF I wanted to. Or ideally you could use like a Grupo Blue Core. Then near the end of incursion use all reds. (All 4 red strikers) y'all get the point

Many ideas lol

[rich lotus]

What's the best build for drawing and maintaining aggro? I tend to go that way in most games I play

[untold hearth]

That's something I have no answer for 😅

[rich lotus]

I'll just work on future initiative now and youtube it later

Do I want repair skills or haste

[astral kraken]

Not really a thing in this game. At least not in the way you're thinking. The closest thing is a Decoy skill that draws aggro. Some people also use the turret skill to draw aggro.

But tank builds for drawing aggro simply do not work and shouldn't be used for that purpose.

If you want to draw the most aggro then have the most DPS 🙂

[rich lotus]

Huh the incursion has an aggro mechanic so I assumed

[astral kraken]

Yes but that's not based on what build you are running.

It's based on either proximity or interacting with certain mission related items.

[astral kraken]

This build guide for healer is up to date and explains what you need: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea&noteKey=6160294f8f6e72cf99375efb0813747a&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F022975b4-183e-e730-c18b-06ff00cb26ea%2F6160294f8f6e72cf99375efb0813747a&title=Future%2BInitiative%2BHealer%2B%2528TU19%2529

[rich lotus]

Been farming this many hours and still can't get btsu or scorpio from countdown

[glad heart]

Go to summit, target shotguns, better odds of getting scorpio in summit than in countdown. Never tried BTSU in summit, but assume the odds would still be better in summit]

[rich lotus]

I'll have to do it tomorrow because it's like 124am

[hazy steeple]

Actually, odds are about the same, since Summit has way less enemies overall but has the benefits of Directives.
So it's a quality of loot vs quantity of loot kinda thing.

Arguably, Countdown has better odds since the Exotic caches from the vendor give you another random chance.

[rich lotus]

I've had better luck with countdown usually
Got two elmos in one match for example

And two mantis

Note that i'm so new i'm only shd 48

[glad heart]

Well, we will just have to disagree with that Rivens. I got all my exos in summit, cept for the gift. Odds are better in summit, and not as much hassle cause you don't have to play with those "that are less" shall we say

[rich lotus]

Note what I commented

[glad heart]

Yep I have have 5 Mantis, and multiples of many other exos...

[hazy steeple]

The Gift is a named item that is locked to the DZ, so there is no actual way to gain it from Summit.

[astral kraken]

That's really not how odds work though...

[glad heart]

I said "cept" which means "except"

[hazy steeple]

It's not an Exotic though, so has no relevancy to this conversation.

Okay you're going to have to clarify the "those that are less" comment. It feels weird.

[rich lotus]

I'm going to choose to ignore his reality and replace it with my own

[glad heart]

It is a more polite way of saying "complete mor** randoms"

[hazy steeple]

Well that's an awful way of looking at random players.

[hazy steeple]

I only recently found out that was a quote from Doctor Who and not originally from Mythbusters. Blew my mind a little.

[astral kraken]

@rich lotus I would just keep running CD and opening those caches. You'll get it eventually. The only possible thing I can think of to try and do is Eliminate Hostiles objective in CD. If you're the one that goes to the objectives first usually the team will follow. Try to hit that one.

Reason is it has two bosses nameds so more chances for a drop.

[rich lotus]

Do I need it for incursions if the rest of my gear is on point

[hazy steeple]

The BTSU gloves for the FI Healer build? Yeah it's mandatory for that particular setup.
You'll get them eventually, keep at it.

A lot of Exotics in div2 are kind of the crux of the actual build, e.g. Coyotes and 50% crit, DCH Holster, etc.

[rich lotus]

Guess i can just transfer over my other characters coyote and strikers until I get it

[hazy steeple]

Being the primary DPS in a Countdown team is a good way to make sure you always complete it.

[rich lotus]

I forgot how much of a hassle being new to a loot shooter was since in destiny I have every exotic and build available at a whim

[hazy steeple]

After so long away from it, I'm sure I'm exactly the same if I tried des2 again.

[cerulean smelt]

i sent a friend an article about the game. seemed pretty straight forwards. all i got "wtf does that mean?"

[hazy steeple]

Div2 is incomprehensible if you are first joining.
The fact that "go get a bp from a cp so you can craft a bp" makes perfect sense is infuriating.

[rich lotus]

Get a blueprint from a control point do you can get a blueprint?

[cerulean smelt]

least the devs here didn't fall into blaming their players for laying off people yet

[hazy steeple]

@rich lotus Backpack, see it's confusing.

[cerulean smelt]

after reading that article i lost all respect for Des2

[hazy steeple]

As a former fan of Anthem, any looter-shooter is fine comparatively.
flight mechanics my beloved.

[cerulean smelt]

if Des2 = Destiny 2

[rich lotus]

Desu2

[hazy steeple]

destiny 2.
buuuut this is all a bit off topic. To answer the question: yeah farming can take a while, but with Countdown and Directives in Summit, it's a heck of a lot quicker than it used to be.

[astral kraken]

You only truly need the BTSU gloves for the last stage.

First and second don't even need a healer at all. If your team knows what they're doing you don't need a healer for third stage either. But if you do run healer on third stage then the only reason you need the gloves is to restore revive hives if your team goes down a lot. Otherwise on third stage you're debuffing, taking aggro, and have a hive on the stage (as in the "stage" part of the level).

[cerulean smelt]

yes, imagine waiting 24hours and waiting for what you need to be in the open world or missions. would take forever

[hazy steeple]

That was div2 back before we had TL be added in, and god, before Summit? The only farming spots were repeating main missions and CP's if we were lucky for the loot to be right.

[astral kraken]

And if you use the gate strat (please don't lol) then you don't even need the gloves for the last stage either.

[rich lotus]

Hey I have strikers on bot 4 and coyotes on what should I run for backpack

[hazy steeple]

Strikers backpack.
Ceska other piece.

[rich lotus]

I ran gate strat on first time clear and got fussed at dodging bombs as the last person alive

[astral kraken]

That's super easy to do if done right. You only ever need to deal with two artillery strikes.

Everyone stands left side, wait for arty, move to right side, wait for arty, move to left. No more arty.

The arty targets people individually so if they split up the whole area will get glassed :[

[hazy steeple]

It's kinda unfortunate for build diversity, but Ceska is pretty much the piece you'll be running on the other random slot no matter what.
no striker chest? Ceska. Striker chest? Ceska holster/knees/gloves.

[rich lotus]

I'm starting to think I got lucky my first run

Anyhow what should I run for dps? I have on lefty and elmo

I have chameleon but someone told me it was bad

[cerulean smelt]

it is, but you can try it and make your decision if you like it or not

[astral kraken]

Yes it sucks. Very simple build: striker with ceska and try to have good CHC/CHD numbers. Ideally you should run the chest.

If you're trying to do it optimally then first/second stage you're better off with a ceska obliterate chest. But it doesn't really matter.

You already got Lefty for building stacks on Wright and debuffing him. All there is to it.

If you're running Striker chest make sure you're constantly building stacks on Wright even if he's immune.

[cerulean smelt]

you see i didn't know that was a thing because of the "immune" part. like i kwow people used razorback for striker stacks

[astral kraken]

Yea a great time to do is when he puts down his little bucket to do the pulse thing. You'll get adds right after so it's really nice to have full stacks ready to go.

[violet wyvern]

Fun pvp build be careful of the reload time tho I'd recommend a good secondary just in case

I use the apartment smg it has a good mag size and fast fire rate

It's not necessarily the best but it is fun to use

[rich lotus]

What's the cap crit chance?

[fallen comet]

60%

[rich lotus]

Ah my chc is 46 and my chd is 114

Does that include the buff from coyote

And is this good for a starter strikers build

[fallen comet]

no the coyote isnt included in the stats

@rich lotus

[rich lotus]

Are my stats good for strikers then? I'm new and I don't know all the numbers

[hazy steeple]

It depends on the gun you're using with it.
If you're using an AR, you want to stop at around 50%, since you'll proc the mid-buff.

[rich lotus]

I'm using lefty and elmo

[hazy steeple]

The shotgun matters less since it's mostly just there to build up the stacks.
46 is a tad low, try and see if you can raise it up a bit. You've got CHC on some gear attributes, right?

[rich lotus]

Yeah and then I have crit damage mods on

[hazy steeple]

Try and get the CHC whilst the Elmo is equipped (you can swap guns whilst in the stats page) to a little higher. Slightly over 50 is fine, as long as you don't break 55.

it's okay if it takes you a while to properly balance the build. This is one you'll be using for quite a while after all.
Your other piece is a ceska chest and coyotes mask, right?

[rich lotus]

I got the chc to 51 and chd is still 115

And ceska kneepads

[hazy steeple]

Ceska other piece is fine if you're doing incursion/legendary, stuff like that.
but for the bulk of play, you really do want a ceska chest.

[rich lotus]

I'll work on it