td2-build-advice

[vestal ibex]

Most people have written off TOTS because of the recent nerf but it's till usable as a sniper build. That build is still in the spread sheet and pretty much the same. Not sure if you are looking for something different tho.

[vague frost]

so tots is only usable as a sniper build? was looking for other than sniper build

[urban latch]

I think I got rid of the tots setup in there

If I didn't I meant to lol

[vague frost]

i had the sniper build already

[urban latch]

Other main use for it would be running it on demo or firewall during golden bullet, but tbh there's just not much point to it now

[vague frost]

tots was the perfect example of good idea, bad execution 😦 a set that centres around using specialization weapon is nice on paper

[flint wave]

tots had a purpose outside of tac50 builds?

ever?

[urban latch]

It used to be OP in pvp when it gave you spec ammo in PVP areas. People would just 1 tap groups with demo ammo, it was stupid

[merry stone]

haha that was the best, going to a sniper corridor with your close range build and getting smahed by tots players

[solemn parrot]

it's really funny how specialization weapons were a big selling point but then they all mostly got nerfed or sucked in general cases.

[round zinc]

massive when a weapon that is meant to be strong is strong🤯

[solemn parrot]

Tac 50 does less damage to named elites so you can't one-shot. A thing that definitely doesn't just uh, get done anyway with normal weapons

[tawdry flare]

I don't understand why do that thing exists it works in PvP might as well allow in pve

[merry stone]

giga brain massive moment

dont ask questions to their smart decisions, go with the flow

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[tawdry flare]

Yeah @bronze hound is always right on with the decision

[hollow pasture]

Like releasing oreo in this state
With a shite talent

[green pumice]

Not bad not bad.

[cerulean smelt]

not god rolled, need to deconstruct it ;p

[green pumice]

not much to optimize ill take it 😄

[cerulean smelt]

😆 congrats anyways (> <)

[green pumice]

tyty 😄

[green pumice]

🥺

[ivory abyss]

What if I’m tired of coyotes mask

How much do you lose on average going with a diff mask

[onyx sage]

depends on the range you typically play with, but you either trade grupo's 15% crit damage for:

• 25% crit damage
• 10% crit chance + 10% crit damage
• 25% crit chance

all are losses compared to coyote

[cerulean smelt]

i honestly never liked coyote and just put a Grupo in it's place since i'm usually only needing that 25% chd anyways and notice not much of a loss

[ivory abyss]

I am just tired of using it 😂

It’s been the meta for dps builds since it’s release in over it. I’m ready for change

[onyx sage]

i don't get how you can get tired of using a gear piece, it's not as tangible as a weapon

there's other builds that don't use coyote because it doesn't rely on crit

[ivory abyss]

You don’t ever get annoyed just looking at a gear set you been using for years? Like damn same stuff over and over lol

[cerulean smelt]

i did 😢

[onyx sage]

no because there's more to the game than just what gear you put in, i just don't pay attention to it anymore because for the content i'm playing right now the best gear is necessary

[cerulean smelt]

i got tired of the 3 pc Providence (pgc + pv), 1 grupo, fox's and contractor's

[ivory abyss]

Tons of masks in this game. Some good ones too but any dps build always has coyotes lol

[hollow pasture]

Me when I used to run scorpio all the time
Now only run it on a healer build

[onyx sage]

it's meta for a reason, if you're just tired of using it then i get it

[ivory abyss]

Im not saying it’s not meta I get it. I’m just saying that’s the thing. It’s been meta for like 5 years

[onyx sage]

some hate it for other reasons i understand more like how it looks, not everyone likes having green gas spew out of their face all the time kek

[hollow pasture]

These devs don't understand balancing the game
Look at strikers lol nothing comes close to it gear set wise

[ivory abyss]

That’s another one

[onyx sage]

and that's not always a bad thing. some of old gear being relevant to this day is a good thing

[ivory abyss]

Strikers getting old too lol

[onyx sage]

i just see that the game has enough niches for there to be more than one gear set to rule the meta

[hollow pasture]

It's more so about more of the weapons /gear being brought up to close to the meta

[cerulean smelt]

for me it's useless until you take the 1 shot at particular distance to benefit from it, when you can use other things without it and get better dps from your first shot

[onyx sage]

i mean, it's based on the range you play in, if you play in that range then you get the corresponding buff

[ivory abyss]

Here’s an example of what I mean

[hollow pasture]

Like oreo is another that completely destroys anything DPS wise
Couldn't it have been balanced towards having a good talent and also being good
Surely that's not that hard to do

[urban latch]

I honestly hardly use it because the DCH + regulus combo is so strong. Coyotes us strong, but I don't think it's as dominant as some people think

[onyx sage]

if you're not going to play at longer ranges, why would you get frustrated that you're not getting 25% chc

[ivory abyss]

It might not be the prime example but

[onyx sage]

i agree with oreo being busted

[ivory abyss]

Eagle was pretty dominant for a hot minute. Famas also

[green pumice]

Division 1 meta all over.

[onyx sage]

coyote is way more balanced in comparison

[ivory abyss]

Now they gave us Elmo’s which is a nice refreshing change of pace.

Where’s the coyotes replacement

Lol

[hollow pasture]

Cuz it's just a juiced up out of its mind vector with a talent that honestly might be the worst in the game or 2nd worst
Nevermind comparing it to other exotic talents

Kind of a slap in the face of what a exotic should be tbh

[onyx sage]

i mean, how else are you going to spin another piece that's a crit buff

[ivory abyss]

Give us something better in a diff slot lol

[hollow pasture]

We don't need a coyotes replacement
We would need a rival to it

[onyx sage]

if you look at other areas, you get catharsis, or dch

[ivory abyss]

#freemaskslot

[green pumice]

buff Ridgeway!

[onyx sage]

dch is very strong and underrated, not enough people appreciate it

[hollow pasture]

Doesn't matter
We need exotic knees next
Haven't gotten ones since year 1 which if you think about it is crazy

[ivory abyss]

Let’s get some dps knee pads

[cerulean smelt]

was sawyers year 1?

[hollow pasture]

I think

[ivory abyss]

Every other reload you get 50chd and 25% chc

[hollow pasture]

That's busted

[ivory abyss]

Lol

[hollow pasture]

Like completely
Let's relax

[onyx sage]

that's powercreep but aside from the stat i get it

[ivory abyss]

Dude

Elmo’s is power creep to the max

[onyx sage]

nope

[hollow pasture]

Oreo is

[cerulean smelt]

if it was every reload that'd be powerful, but every other wouldn't be so bad honestly

[onyx sage]

oreo is, elmo is still balanced

[ivory abyss]

Oreo is just a mistake

[hollow pasture]

Idk who thought this gun was a good idea

[ivory abyss]

Elmo’s is juiced those mods are insane lol

[green pumice]

nerf oreo stats rework talent!

[ivory abyss]

Like hey let’s make lvoac a rifle but make an exotic auto rifle of it lol

[grand vector]

talent is fiiiiiiiiiiine we needed a good smg

we finally have one beside the CHATTERBOX

[green pumice]

"good"

[ivory abyss]

Chatterbox holstered talent was baller

[green pumice]

my shit oreo build did easy 20m

[cerulean smelt]

which was? i don't remember it honestly

[grand vector]

I will die on the hill that Chatterbox is good

[hollow pasture]

I mean make the talent good
And nerf the stats that makes it balanced
Balanced stats good talent is the better solution

[ivory abyss]

I believe it was rate of fire

[green pumice]

fax

[hollow pasture]

The consensus I've seen is it falling off in heroic 4 man scaling

[urban latch]

It's amazing for shooting oxy, and quite good at lower difficulties. Outside that, not really

[onyx sage]

yeah i still appreciate it for oxi builds. this is the kind of exotic i appreciate exists because it's still strong in a niche

[grand vector]

I did solo 100 floors of summit legendary with it so I disagree

[cerulean smelt]

beyond golden bullet i wouldn't see chatterbox as being good

[junior surge]

Chatterbox is discount golden bullet

[onyx sage]

summit legendary solo is a low bar

[grand vector]

truth

[ivory abyss]

Rip 🪦

[hollow pasture]

#BringBackHolsteredTalents

[cerulean smelt]

ah right

[grand vector]

I also used it to spawntrap on DUA Legendary, regardless of 4 amount of people

[ivory abyss]

Am I the only one who thinks tdi kard custom should work holstered

[grand vector]

But now Oreo exists

I have removed the chatter

[cerulean smelt]

i assumed it did (> <)

[hollow pasture]

Would make it even better tbh

[ivory abyss]

It doesn’t sadly

[onyx sage]

oh boy would it be strong

[hollow pasture]

It would make it amazing for any hybrid if holstered

[ivory abyss]

You only get the skill tier when it’s equipped

[grand vector]

itd be best in slot if it gave the skill tier while holstered

[hollow pasture]

Yea

[ivory abyss]

Isn’t it still anyways lol

I guess orbit is good too

[cerulean smelt]

i know, hence "assumed" but after a few videos stating you need to have it out in your hand for the +1 skill tier i was like eh, moving on

[grand vector]

i suppose yeah altho i have double barrel sawed off for the quick 1-2

[ivory abyss]

But let’s be real

Tdi kard custom is a cool name

[grand vector]

"remember swapping weapons is faster than reloading"

[hollow pasture]

Orbit is BiS for full on red builds
Imo
Unless the build is made to focus on regulus

Such an easy buff and such a good buff that it's almost a no brainer

[ivory abyss]

You know what you’re right I forgot how good it is because kard is so good looking

15s is a long time lol

[cerulean smelt]

yes, yes it is

[ornate otter]

Does incoming repair scale the catharsis regen ?

[livid horizon]

Blb

[hollow pasture]

Fair

[blissful rampart]

nope, incoming repair only buffs healing/repair from skills.

[bronze hound]

(And doctor home)

[magic pilot]

Nothing buffs catharsis regen

[obsidian plover]

Best smg for dps?

Dark winter? or Vector with strained?

[astral kraken]

inb4 oreo

[full atlas]

theres a few options for that BACKFIRE, OREO, Dark winter or normal vector

there is quite a few decent options

oreo will always be best though due to firerate

[obsidian plover]

Is oreo a vector?

[hollow pasture]

Yes

[obsidian plover]

ok, ill try to grind it

Is that the actual name of it?

[hollow pasture]

Orobouros

[flint wave]

wtf

[hollow pasture]

It's only available in the new incursion btw

[cerulean smelt]

oreo? no it's Orobourous and only drops in incursion ;p

[hollow pasture]

Smth like that

[flint wave]

ouro

buros

[hollow pasture]

I just say and type oreo now so I've forgotten

[broken lion]

How good is kingbreaker nowadays? Scale 1-10

Im a new player so im still tryna figure out what i wanna farm for

[onyx sage]

pretty mid unless you play close enough to land most of its shots

[cerulean smelt]

from me personally a 1 being lowest

[broken lion]

😭

[astral kraken]

if you play close it's not bad but i wouldnt run it with striker

[hollow pasture]

On a Heartbreaker tech tank it's like the one to use

[broken lion]

Merciless rating 1-10?

[cerulean smelt]

after it's nerf i'd say a 1 being low again, but seen a video pop up about it being great

[austere tide]

Minus 13

[broken lion]

Zzz

Well i guess my best weapon is carbine 7

[onyx sage]

if it's what i'm thinking, it's based on a glitch with striker and i'd stay away from using it like that

[bronze hound]

E

[cerulean smelt]

probably, only remember seeing doing 20 million damage at love birds or something

then another video i watched earlier today "glitches and exploits" they know the merciless + striker damage is glitched and how to do it but won't disclose it as they want the game to not plummet from everyone using it

[bronze hound]

Sorry

[cerulean smelt]

becuase you know a bunch used the anderson and lau exp glitches

[grand vector]

i played merciless like yesterday with a friend in some legendary and he got outdamaged by my MERCILESS WITH BRACED

strikers ofc

There were some moments where I absolutely evaporated some enemies and I still dont know how

[cerulean smelt]

probably the striker + merciless explosion glitch

[heavy canyon]

hi, for a sniper build, is Punch drunk with 20% Headshot a good option ?

[hexed steppe]

Not really. 3 hotshot 2 habsburg 1 airaldi headhunter vigilance . All red cores, hsd, handling .
Will give most consistent damage

[heavy canyon]

thx

[hexed steppe]

Punch drunk would be ok in a high end pistol headhunter build though

[heavy canyon]

isnt the gift better instead of airaldi backpack ?

since it has 15% head

[hollow pasture]

You can go for 4 piece hotshot if you want
This is a gear set that you can do 3 or 4 piece really it's up to you

[hexed steppe]

No. Headhunter top end scales from weapon damage

[heavy canyon]

ok that why

[hexed steppe]

Absolutly. I use 4pc

[cerulean smelt]

probably depends on what build you're going for. airaldi probably for the MMR damage with 4pc gear set of some sort

[hexed steppe]

Hsd will help with first unbuffed shot tho. In the end as long as you can overcome the health pool on elites you're good

[heavy canyon]

fot the 4 hotspot airaldi and chainkiller ?

[hexed steppe]

That works for sure

I use 4pc chainkiller memento. But with vigilance you'll hit higher top end shots

[heavy canyon]

i see

and stats full headshot and the other one ?

[hexed steppe]

Handling on secondary

[heavy canyon]

crit useless ?

[hexed steppe]

Atm determined whitedeath kinda tops since you can chain body shots after first headshot kill

[cerulean smelt]

yes as there isn't enough places to get chc to 50-60% then get chd out of it

[heavy canyon]

ok

[hexed steppe]

For most builds it is. I have elmo on mine as a shtf and yse chc mods. 272 hsd already tho

[heavy canyon]

thx guys

[cerulean smelt]

i personally would love to see a crit headshot build 👀

[heavy canyon]

xd

[cerulean smelt]

i can only imagine the possiblities with such a build(s)

[hollow pasture]

I mean for a MMR?

[hexed steppe]

Could try something with nego maybe?

[cerulean smelt]

i know i know, but just thinking of it though

only thing comes to mind 3 players worth. 2-3 coyote's mask to push the chc/chd as much as possible for the MMR headshot crit

could you imagine the damage one could do with headshot that crits?

[flint wave]

Perfect determined build

[proud badger]

what is the best way to get coyotes mask?

and at what difficulty?

[hexed steppe]

challenging countdown target masks

[proud badger]

i was told summit but i dont know the difficulty i should select

oh gotcha

i assumed i didnt have to target masks cause its an exotic

but thats good to know

[hexed steppe]

you can get mask drops from the target and also can buy exotic caches every 2 rounds. 30mis/exo roughly

[cerulean smelt]

forget the video but people said challenging and heroic isn't much difference stat wise

gear wise not running countdown

[hexed steppe]

idk why thats out there... i primarily get what i target when it comes to exotics... i usually target snipers in summit/countdown and thats usually the exos that drop. same with bags, mask, shotguns, etc...

striker is the dps goto atm. very easy to build and use. the pinned📌 spreadsheet in this channel has that and a lot of other builds. a great reference

[bronze hound]

heroic has slightly better stats

[cerulean smelt]

well, i imagine heroic or legendary has a higher chance of them godly rolls over all

[white sandal]

opinions on grupo holster vs fox's prayer kneepads in a 4pc striker + coyote build?

[cerulean smelt]

why not grupo mask and fox's prayer?

[white sandal]

coyote mask

[kindred coral]

either way its fox prayer

[bronze hound]

why not ceska

ceska + coyotes is meta

[kindred coral]

not dttoc?

[bronze hound]

no

crit is better

unless youre running smg

[bronze hound]

swap grupo for ceska

[kindred coral]

is it not enough to reach 50 chc

or is it for more chd

[bronze hound]

more chd

[white sandal]

this is what im rockin with rn

[bronze hound]

^

[white sandal]

so more chc from ceska better than chd from grupo

[bronze hound]

yes because you can reroll what you had as chc to chd

[white sandal]

mmm makes sense

[bronze hound]

hi aspect

[fickle light]

no

[bronze hound]

:(

what am i looking at here

is this like

hazpro or

if it is why not 3 piece

[cerulean smelt]

looks like 6 skill tier hazpro build of some sort?

[bronze hound]

you can get that all on FI

[cerulean smelt]

2 pc cavalier gives 30% t he yahl 10% so the 6 whatever hazpro on your attributes would give you 100%?

assuming 10% on the 6 pieces

[bronze hound]

5 pieces

cuz btsu

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, forgot about btsu being there

OH, so hazard pro healing build

[bronze hound]

its a bad one

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, took me a bit as i only saw the hazpro aspect of it

[bronze hound]

yaahl + 4 fi = 60 hazpro then just 3 mods + watch

zero reason to make.... uh that

[cerulean smelt]

maybe they're misinterpetting the cavlier and think 2 pc is enough to give people some of their hazpro?

[bronze hound]

OH MY GOD I FINALLY GOT IT

[cerulean smelt]

Talent: Charged

While fully charged, gain immunity to any movement speed debuff and share hazard protection and damage reduction with all allies for 10 seconds.

[bronze hound]

🙏

[cerulean smelt]

what is that monstrocity?

[bronze hound]

double red habsburg with hh

[cerulean smelt]

XD

[bronze hound]

the missing piece to my sniper build

[cerulean smelt]

i saw that and assuming the armor disappears and you go weapon damage on it? just giving you crap since i don't like the 2/3 piece part of hadsburg

[bronze hound]

ye

thats why im glad i got it lol. its a unicorn

[cerulean smelt]

hmmm, do we keep the 7 stacks on merciless when we swap from it or does it go poof

[bronze hound]

wdym

[cerulean smelt]

so if i shot the merciless and hit my target 14 times, then swapped from it to do things like getting HH stacks and go back to merciless would those 14 shots i did earlier be gone?

[bronze hound]

yes?

talents dont save

[cerulean smelt]

thought so XD

saw a couple recent videos on a merciless + striker damage glitch pop up recently. one video the streamer knows how to do it but won't disclose it becuase he's like if everyone uses it could destroy the servers

[bronze hound]

bam

[cerulean smelt]

but was thinking get taht 800% HH damage + 200 striker stacks + the 500% from mercielss oof

[bronze hound]

all max

[cerulean smelt]

fi? looks like it ;p

[bronze hound]

i dont even have a godrolled mask oof

[hexed steppe]

you can actually get about 9% more chd with similar chc if you use a ceska piece instead of grupo. youll only need secondary chc rolls and all main rolls and mods can be chd

[bronze hound]

time to farm more hg until i get a mask/holster/gloves/knees with hsd/wh

[cerulean smelt]

so you're aiming for 2 pc?

[bronze hound]

3/2/1

[cerulean smelt]

trying to make sacrum useful? ;p

[bronze hound]

...no? its a regular sniper build

i just need an hg piece with handling and hsd

[cerulean smelt]

how does the 3 pc help?

[bronze hound]

i just have those both on

im replacing one with hs and the other with a better hg piece

3/2/1 as in 3 hs 2 hg 1 airaldi

[cerulean smelt]

ah, i assumed when i asked about 2 pc hadsburg you said 3/2/1 like you were going all 3pc and was confused how it'd help XD

[bronze hound]

bruh

i aint the dev this time

[cerulean smelt]

your alt account right? ;p

[bronze hound]

nuh uh

[cerulean smelt]

lol XD

[bronze hound]

but this is the best setup for max damage at max hh stacks

[cerulean smelt]

so hotshot chest? ;p

i kid i kid

[bronze hound]

but yeah it involes a unicorn

so now i need a mask with handling and hsd

[cerulean smelt]

? hotshot with handling and headshot?

[bronze hound]

no hg

[cerulean smelt]

ah, so the other 2 HG not have that?

[magic pilot]

You need 3 hotshot

No Habsburg

[bronze hound]

i know

[magic pilot]

Ok

[bronze hound]

read my past messages

[magic pilot]

I can't

My bad

[onyx sage]

congrats

[bronze hound]

lemme see what it hits for

[hollow pasture]

What does 2 piece habs do again

[onyx sage]

should hit around 27m

[bronze hound]

hsd

[cerulean smelt]

now time to mark all as junk and dismantle for parts ;p

[bronze hound]

wait no 15mmrd

[hollow pasture]

ah

[onyx sage]

15% mmr damage for 2p, 15% hsd for 1p

[hollow pasture]

Yea I've only ran the 1 piece for my sniper builds

[onyx sage]

27m for white death*

[bronze hound]

yup 27.8

[onyx sage]

😉

[bronze hound]

nemesis is 56.1

i had two builds not minmaxxed so now its down to just one

[onyx sage]

one day i'll craft the 2 perfect habsburg pieces. that day is not today

[bronze hound]

which two pieces

[onyx sage]

just 2 habsburg with hsd and handling

i can flex airaldi around

[bronze hound]

i still need a unicorn courier xD

[cerulean smelt]

Eevee dev will just spawn them into your inventory ;p

[onyx sage]

she hates binoculars so i'm out of luck

[bronze hound]

so i need to keep farming habsburg for the courier

352% hsd lovely

[hollow pasture]

Shouldn't the courier just come to you
Think that's the point of the job smh

[bronze hound]

?

[hollow pasture]

Sigh I don't like explaining my dry jokes
Courier like the job type

[cerulean smelt]

went over your head there?

[bronze hound]

yeah thisll run nicely

doesnt build max stack of white death in one shot but if i put in expertise to my nemesis it will

[onyx sage]

what if you expertise both 🤔

[bronze hound]

idk i have no resources left lol

nem at 10 wd at 6

still not max but still workable xD

27.3 with first shot of white death after nem shot

following shots are 27.97

wait no

28.59

depends on range lmao im dumb

28.44 at 35m

[tawdry flare]

Have 1 need the other

[bronze hound]

nem at 58.11

[onyx sage]

zzzzz

[bronze hound]

didja hear i got the chest

[tawdry flare]

If I get a second I will use binoculars

[tawdry flare]

I have the chest lol

[bronze hound]

i didnt

[bronze hound]

yeet

[onyx sage]

💀

[bronze hound]

god i love this build

3/2/1 is so much nicer than the alternatives

[bronze hound]

i just need a perfect courier for my cc

[tawdry flare]

Have it i also got my yellow setup

[bronze hound]

K

Don't remember asking but k

[onyx sage]

💀

[tawdry flare]

Now which 🦄 to farm for

[tawdry flare]

On a hat-trick

[bronze hound]

That sniper build was bugging me glad I got it fixed up

Few of my builds had wacky "works good enough" pieces and it irritated me lmao

waiting for someone to come in and say something about me not using determined

[hollow pasture]

Determined is a personal choice tbh
Eitheir ur okay with it or not tbh

[onyx sage]

i don't use it so you're good

[bronze hound]

Yeah but someone's gonna say it lol

[hollow pasture]

Doubt any of the sweaty mfers here will so ur good

[bronze hound]

Lol

[bronze hound]

Double yellow sacrifice

[tawdry flare]

Have a half yellow sacrifice

[bronze hound]

Yes go for doubls

[tawdry flare]

Double yellow as in repair and skill haste

[bronze hound]

Haste and dmg

[forest forum]

Information for those who don't know, countdown good for picking up SHD calibration and Dark Zone good for picking up Field Recon Data since those are needed for optimizing gears and weapons. Pretty neat.

[cerulean smelt]

nods and both are obtainable from watch as well (> <)

[forest forum]

Yes, takes forever. Doing CD and DZ i watch it build up quicker. Just thought it was useful information to share.

Esp for those trying to build their resources

[cerulean smelt]

and if you're in need of exotic components DZ is the fastest way so to speak

[obsidian plover]

Crit damage on armor yeah?

Crit chance on weapon

[cerulean smelt]

probably depends on the build you're using and weapon(s)

[obsidian plover]

Well i swapped from hunter to striker

[shy willow]

Crit chance mods always on weapons

And biggest mag possible

[obsidian plover]

Cause hunter is good for soloing but striker is better for group

[shy willow]

Hunters fury in groups is very rough

[obsidian plover]

Yeah, i just want it to work so badly

but it never will unless its buffed 😔

[shy willow]

If you realllyyy wanna use it and you have sharp aim

Throw on a regulus and headshot damage attributes

[obsidian plover]

I would but i wanna use it with smg

but its ok tbf, ill keep working on the build till it works

might even use the oreo for it

[forest forum]

@formal star maybe try see this helps, i love it. Way easier to kill'em off.

[formal star]

Oh damn didn't even know about that

[forest forum]

Dude i didn't either but i was so bord one night and i hate reading everything but look at that lol.

[formal star]

That's so real thanks man

[forest forum]

Ya bet

We never see what's important till we know it is lol

[trail fiber]

would a sokolov piece be better or a grupo be better for me
i'm maxxed on crit chance so would likee to swap out the holster to another piece that doesn't give crit chance
and grupo gives crit damage and the sokolov gives smg damge

[onyx sage]

sokolov gets outscaled eventually when you have expertise on your smg, so grupo

[onyx sage]

also make sure you have all crit damage attrs where you can

[cerulean smelt]

if you main smg the sokolov will be better but grupo in general will just have overall chd built in. in case you decide i'm tried of SMG

[trail fiber]

yeah i have a min maxed strikers with as much crit damage as possible but i wanted to try the ouroborus out

[onyx sage]

then you have a crit chance mod somewhere

you shouldn't be overcapping even with ceska

[trail fiber]

nope all crit damage

[onyx sage]

or wait, i may have mistaken it for elmo

[trail fiber]

yeah i've beeen using elmos with this build

[onyx sage]

also save yourself the trouble and stop expertising armor, it's not worth it

[trail fiber]

i just wanted to try the ouroborus

[trail fiber]

its the coyotes

[onyx sage]

that's what i mean

don't expertise your armor pieces at all

[trail fiber]

eh

[cerulean smelt]

only thing you're gaining putting expertise in is more armor, which in this game = non existant to npcs

[onyx sage]

once you calc out the return on investment, it doesn't give you as much as you think

[trail fiber]

alright

[cerulean smelt]

it's base armor not total armor

[trail fiber]

so grupo is better overall

[astral kraken]

@forest forum It's a pretty standard ND focus build and not that hard to farm for. Also doesn't need to be perfect to do work. Here is the build guide for it: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=49389949-d9ea-1b2d-519c-e78003eb5007&noteKey=d31c334208e3e33d9aaa05953ec429b0&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F49389949-d9ea-1b2d-519c-e78003eb5007%2Fd31c334208e3e33d9aaa05953ec429b0&title=Negotiators%2BDilemma%2B%2B%2528TU19%2529

[cerulean smelt]

for an example say the coyotes gives you 100 armor. think 24% of 100 armor a big increase?

[onyx sage]

the armor you gain from expertise is based on the base armor of the piece, not your total armor

so you're not getting 12% tankier from that +12 on coyote

the gain is so miniscule it's a scam

[astral kraken]

IIRC if you get all armor pieces to expertise 20 then it's like one armor core

Or was it 25?

[onyx sage]

nope, definitely not 20, 25 maybe

[cerulean smelt]

sounds about right, but down right expensive

[forest forum]

Thx i appreciate it

@formal star what wrong with the chest?

[shy willow]

It’s trash

[cerulean smelt]

so exotic chest increases your grenade radius + the damage per enemy caught in your grenade blase. this only seems to be effective with Firewall Cluster grenade doing the most damage in general. someone here or other server says you get double ticks of fire grenade though

[forest forum]

Oh its that one, yeah i did not keep it lol. Wasn't sure if was new or what.

[cerulean smelt]

think the initial increased damage is 35% and 25% per enemies caught in your grenade blast. but you know enemies won't stand still for a grenade blast

[forest forum]

Yeah its so pointless especially in heroic they see it coming 🙄

I only use mine to get them out of hiding

[formal star]

They could literally make it 10 times better by incorporating the cooking of the grenade

[forest forum]

I don't find EMP grenade very useful so i use plain since i like technician

[cerulean smelt]

if you can hit tanks and warhounds it disables them for a period

[forest forum]

That applies to them, that i did not know!

Then that is a must. I love knocking them out.

[cerulean smelt]

it's a big if though

[forest forum]

I will try see how it works lol

Shoot i just realized the ones that run around are pointless unless i get them where they stop but they'd be too much work lol

[shy willow]

Considering how much hounds like to run about i doubt you could hit them

[forest forum]

Exactly

[cerulean smelt]

that's the big if

[forest forum]

Two and two just clicked lol

[cerulean smelt]

snipers probably a bit easier since they don't do as much running as the minin gun ones

[forest forum]

See them like wild horses lol

[cerulean smelt]

the grenade hounds seems to move as much as mini guns just not fast so maybe those you can hit with emp nade

[forest forum]

I try to get the ones with drones first than the snipers depending how many of each

[forest forum]

I'm gonna try cuz shooting the grenade ones aren't as affective

[cerulean smelt]

the grenades are much easier than snipers

[forest forum]

They get to me sometimes b4 i get a chance to run

[shy willow]

Push comes to shove just shred their hind legs or their weak points

[forest forum]

Usually i run when i see it but by then sometimes its too late lol

[cerulean smelt]

i have a much easier time with minigun and grenade hounds

[forest forum]

I love running in game can't run with minigun grrrrrrr

[cerulean smelt]

never noticed the speed difference from Div 1 to Div 2 yet?

[forest forum]

I started with survivalist now i rarely ever used it

[forest forum]

Its so confusing

[cerulean smelt]

least in div 1 seems realistic with the amount of junk we carry speed

div 2 is like we carry the same if not more and we run like we're running from a bear fear XD

[forest forum]

I was bout to say its was so real lol

[cerulean smelt]

notice any oddities about div 1 missions over div 2?

[forest forum]

And oddly they looked bigger

[cerulean smelt]

no neutral party walking in front of you in mission? ;p

[forest forum]

Been a year gotta get on it day after tomorrow

Since I'll be sleeping lol

Ive lvl up to 1323 without realizing and this morning was 1313.

[cerulean smelt]

nods next thing you'll be looking and be like where did 100 levels come from!

[forest forum]

I swear it went by quick

Idk if Dz or Cd did that cuz I didn't do a whole lot missions other than the manhunt today

[cerulean smelt]

well, they released a new manhunt target (rescue civilian for castle upgrade) 2x experience until you used it up

[forest forum]

I did do lot free roaming but on normal just so i could explore lol

[forest forum]

I think i did it 2 times. Almost 4 times cuz it restarted like twice two ppl joining two different times. 4th one was with a friend on challenge but the first 3 was on heroic my hands were stiff after that lol. The first 2 literally made us restart.. Unless its the mission and bounty I'm getting mixed up. Oof my memory. I better checked on that my bad.

I know i did the mission and the bounty later with same (different friend) so i think its the mission that restarts if some1 joins.

[cerulean smelt]

yeah i don't know, was just pointing out the new target is out and we're all getting 2x experience

[forest forum]

Oh gotcha i misunderstood I thought you meant was required to be played twice. My brain flips info on me too (sometimes) and i went on a whole azz story time. Srry folks.. 👀

[cerulean smelt]

no worries. kind of figured you probably didn't know what i meant by double xp XD

[forest forum]

I appreciate you pointing it out directly. That does help. Now i gotta see if still available to play few more while it lasts lol.

[cerulean smelt]

think community server someone said 15 levels worth. sounds about right

[shy willow]

Yeah 15 levels

[forest forum]

Lol i done two on heroic for the Check point one if that's the one you're talking about

I like to shoot from the interstate from up high

Easier to get them that way

For the build i wear anyway my player gets 💥 up..

[rapid sable]

What are you running?

[shy willow]

Out of curiosity what do you run

[forest forum]

Let me get a pic

[rapid sable]

Tf lol said the same thing

I think u ment gear if im correct i ment mission haha

[shy willow]

Oh oops

[rapid sable]

Div should do crossplay

Its big nowdays

[shy willow]

Heartland will have it

Div2 never will

[rapid sable]

Bummer

ill be joining you on xbox if ps do whats being talked about

[forest forum]

This what i had it on all day today and yesterday

[shy willow]

What are they doing?

[rapid sable]

Possibly turning all games so u stream instead of download

[shy willow]

OUCHHHHH THAT ELMOS

[shy willow]

BRUH BAHAHAHAHA

[rapid sable]

Its so glitchy and puts u at liek 720 fps

Im bummed ps5 for nothing if they do 😭🤣

[rapid sable]

Do you run ar dmg ? 110k damn

[shy willow]

I heavily appreciate having a disk drive on my series x and being able to play most of my old discs

[rapid sable]

Or weapon dmg

[shy willow]

Buying second hand is hella cheap

[rapid sable]

I got disk and dont buy any 🤣extra 100 so many deals on system store

[shy willow]

Expertise 9 and the attribute is mag size😭😭😭

[rapid sable]

Mag size is rlly sas i feel for u

[shy willow]

I buy stuff online too but sometimes the publishers just refuse to put some shit on sale

[rapid sable]

I re rolled quite afew times for my good 1

[shy willow]

Had to roll mine like 7 times for dttooc

[rapid sable]

Bro i swear like 80 games have gone from like 60-80 dowm to a measly 5 its amazin

Saved money is saved money haha

[forest forum]

Is it good thing then?

[shy willow]

Battlefield 2042 nfs unbound and Gotham knights are cheap as chips considering when they launched💀

Fell off so fast

[rapid sable]

The elmo not but id keep it now with that expertise level

[rapid sable]

Unbound i laughed at still play heat

[shy willow]

And the gloves are rainbow rolled id replace those

[forest forum]

What gun would you use?

[shy willow]

Grupo or ceska or maybe contractors if that’s your thing

[rapid sable]

I can play with u if u like i know a good amlunt considerin im shade 140

I learn from the best i guess haha

[shy willow]

The only thing is they didn’t give heat 60 fps which is infuriating

[forest forum]

I can build up expertise on other guns I'm not worried about that

[shy willow]

Elmo’s is good but your attribute is mag size

[rapid sable]

Like it looked bad kinda fps?

Mine looks amazing

[shy willow]

It looks great but it’s like jarring because everything else is 60 these days

[forest forum]

What should it be

[rapid sable]

Im pretty sure it is 60 yk idk if they changed it

[shy willow]

Damage to targets out of cover

[rapid sable]

Dmg to armour

Or that

[shy willow]

As on every other assault rifle you’ll ever use

Any weapon really unless it’s an lmg

[rapid sable]

Out of cover offers more % so go with that

Mag is already 70 stock on elmos thats plenty

[rapid sable]

Uno what i laughed at about xbox

How much of a flop starfield was

But ps is becoming laughable too now

[forest forum]

Gotcha i definitely get another one got CD money to work with

[shy willow]

Its not trash but its definitely not what it was hyped to be

[rapid sable]

Its like fallout in space 😭

[forest forum]

I don't mind the loss lol. I am aiming to get better.

[rapid sable]

Even the shooting looks the same

[shy willow]

At least it’s free on game pass

[rapid sable]

Thats what its all about bro live and learn its worth the loss in expertise can just regrind mats

[rapid sable]

Thats good then. Not worth a penny 😭

How much is game pass yearly?

[shy willow]

Like 80 us or something

[cerulean smelt]

i imagine $99.99USD?

[forest forum]

Between this, countdown and dz, i definitely don't mind making a better gun.

[rapid sable]

Decent we sit at 100 for premium roughly the same

[forest forum]

Not much but its definitely building

Resources i mean

[rapid sable]

I could deffo take you farmin i have thousands of all

Whats your shade tho?

[cerulean smelt]

so 9.99 per month, 3 months 24.99

[forest forum]

Shade?

[shy willow]

I have like no fed

[rapid sable]

You didnt get new york dlc?

[shy willow]

Frd

[rapid sable]

DZ

[shy willow]

Ah thatll be why

[rapid sable]

3-4 per thingy forgot what there called

[shy willow]

Havent even touched dz

Well i have but barely

[rapid sable]

I love dz idk why

[forest forum]

I'm hard of hearing but i will follow the group leader usually cover them as needed if not my own back

[rapid sable]

For optimze bounts is the one

[rapid sable]

Did u get NY dlc

[forest forum]

Yes

[rapid sable]

U not got shade level yet

[forest forum]

Had it when i got the game

[rapid sable]

Fair enough

[forest forum]

What is that

[rapid sable]

Like the watch level

[cerulean smelt]

second watch you obtain after beating NY

[rapid sable]

Your shade 1300

[cerulean smelt]

Isaac and Anna probably making out on your wrist ;p

[rapid sable]

From your screenshot

Please dont tell me u didnt level your watch for 1300 levels!

[cerulean smelt]

FYI: each time you complete NY with an alt that watch level carries over to your new character

[forest forum]

I completed WONY that is my watch lvl

[rapid sable]

So i can level my watch hella fast?

[cerulean smelt]

yes and no

[rapid sable]

Damn ive wanted a fast way for so long now

[shy willow]

It essentially dupes your watch points

[cerulean smelt]

yes if you're just going to jump on and do public executions all over + Territory Controls

[rapid sable]

Being below 500 is tough

[forest forum]

Maybe show a comparison? 🤔

[rapid sable]

Of?

[cerulean smelt]

think season pass gives you a daily mission that nets you 400k ish experience

[rapid sable]

Ive been doing bounty for lvls

[forest forum]

Of your watch if this shade?

[rapid sable]

Also gives opt mats so 2 birds with 1 stone

[rapid sable]

Im low asf my boy haha 142

Did u level your watch?

Skills

[shy willow]

The rainbow attributes are messing me up

[cerulean smelt]

i forget the formula but you're probably 400 something optimization mats on your watch as is?

[rapid sable]

😭

[forest forum]

This?

[cerulean smelt]

least it's not core rainbow XD

[shy willow]

True

[rapid sable]

Yeah u leveld it didnt think u did coz u didnt know what shade was

Thats good then

[rapid sable]

Still attributes are better imo 😭

[forest forum]

Other than the gun the rest okay?

[rapid sable]

U want honesty?

[forest forum]

I'm curious since yall were lol

[rapid sable]

All ur attributes need a makeover

[cerulean smelt]

those are the secondary stuff

[forest forum]

Tell me i got no problem

[rapid sable]

^

[forest forum]

Gives me something to focus on

[shy willow]

The fenris gloves gotta go

[rapid sable]

I can help if u like ill farm with u

[forest forum]

Why that lol

[shy willow]

Either grupo or ceska

With crit chance/damage attributes

[forest forum]

I don't understand why y'all like those

[shy willow]

Ar damage has diminishing returns compared to crit chance or damage

[cerulean smelt]

since gearsets comes with a core and 1 attribute you're lacking a lot of damage in general

[rapid sable]

Replace chest 200 stacks is useless never guna keep em get unbreakable om chest talent or obliterate gloves change to striker holster go ceska and chest grupo

[forest forum]

I use fenris for assult rifle damage

[rapid sable]

Crit dmg better

[shy willow]

Like for solo i have grupo obliterate chest with coyotes mask and 4 piece striker

[rapid sable]

Same but unbreakable

And a ceska piece

[shy willow]

Striker chest is strictly for raids or incursion cuz youre never gonna get 200 stacks and maintain them anywhere else

[rapid sable]

Id still go with unbreakable on raids cuh strikers squishy its a life saver but stacks is good too coz it deletes them

[cerulean smelt]

1 ceska piece would net you 10% chc + the 6% on gear and 12% on mod if it's mask, backpack, or chest. something striker chest wouldn't be able to get

[forest forum]

I was plan getting a walker Harris co chest and put unbreakable to add weapon damage

It increases it even more lol

[shy willow]

Weapon damage is not that good compared to crit chance or damage

[rapid sable]

Weapom dmg isnt all that believe me

[forest forum]

Even if your aim is alright

[rapid sable]

Took the words right out my mouth

[cerulean smelt]

if weapon damage was all that, people wouldn't put coyotes on and stick to chest/backpack

[rapid sable]

I can send you a to do list if u like

To fix your build

It will pump less dmg cuz u wont have 200 stacks but its better

[shy willow]

Less top end damage but more consistent dps

[rapid sable]

My thought process exactly

Plus 100 stacks is holdable anywhere

[forest forum]

Yeah I'd argued ppl don't think like me tho and i have no idea what ppl really think, but i take your word for it. You been doing this a lot longer than me for sure and yes plz go ahead send me a list and I'll be happy to try it out.

[cerulean smelt]

if anything keep your gear you have now, get another set farmed up to YxngDizzy's specs and try them out

[rapid sable]

Your alot higher shade so i dont think ive been doing it longer just more effiecient and i reasearch alot i like to know my stuff nkt sayng your doing it wrong its gotten you shade 1000 but yea sure id like to help

[cerulean smelt]

we've all been in your shoes before when it comes to making up builds (> <)

[forest forum]

I believe i could probably get a whole set i need from countdown and work it up

[rapid sable]

Exactly haha

[rapid sable]

I got most my stuff from countdown heroic

Its a gem

[forest forum]

Well we gotta take the losses and lessons right

[shy willow]

Im honestly surprised the elitists dont kick you

[cerulean smelt]

i mean i wracked my brain trying to come up with a feasible oxidizer build and tried a few things and wasn't getting anywheres. then comes a buddy with his build and i'm like that looks amazing let me try and sure enough

[rapid sable]

Thats it bro

[rapid sable]

How come 🤣

[rapid sable]

Hate the complex builds

[cerulean smelt]

people that run heroic countdown inspects people and boots those deemed not worthy of running herioc

[shy willow]

Generally they kick anyone below shd1000

[rapid sable]

I carry heroic CD 🤣🤣

Im a beast for 140

[forest forum]

True that or they leave lol

[rapid sable]

Uno why they dont

Coz my gears max

[cerulean smelt]

for me i wanted near infinite oxidizers

[forest forum]

Did a whole group with few under 1g never again

I just leave

[rapid sable]

Not too familiar with that build ill have to take a look sounds interesting

[shy willow]

Even then people use shd level as a measure for skill

[flint wave]

No they don't

[forest forum]

But challenge most active

[cerulean smelt]

and doesnt' mean jack (> <)

[rapid sable]

True but like u say im just better 🙃

[shy willow]

I used to get kicked a shit ton

[rapid sable]

I have been afew times 😂

Mostly let me stay tho

[flint wave]

My super low shd friend neither me in the past didn't get the same treatment

[round zinc]

@flint wave remember when you suggested using striker chest with chameleon?
i have some news

[cerulean smelt]

you were probably lucky XD

[round zinc]

yea its just not realistic

[rapid sable]

Haha

[forest forum]

Ppl die ppl leave rest of group gets wipe and nobody's happy lol

[cerulean smelt]

why not?

[flint wave]

what content u doing

[round zinc]

through my entire heroic tidal basin run

the only time i hit 200 was in the very last part with the 4 dogs

[rapid sable]

Chameleon stack talent is actually pretty insane dps done right

[round zinc]

yea cham in theory is the best weapon

[shy willow]

Problem is getting enough stacks

[round zinc]

you're not gonna get that theoretical peak like,almost ever in all content

[rapid sable]

90% weapon dmg and accuracy insane

[flint wave]

Theory is just getting that damn leg buff

[round zinc]

and if you account for the downtime its not good

[flint wave]

But before theory it's hard

[round zinc]

there's no accuracy buff actually

if chameleon actually gets an accuracy buff it would be a bit too strong

[rapid sable]

I mean the accuracy in general my bad dodger aha

[cerulean smelt]

well, didn't they change chameleon for out of combat ticks to not go until you're in combat again?

[forest forum]

I was dumb few times in heroic in countdown get a lil too cocky than oh sh*t dead.. thx to the ones that saved me

[round zinc]

yes the stacks dont drain when out of combat

the problem is that even with 3 chameleon stacks on,clearing rooms in 45 seconds is hard

[rapid sable]

Yea just sit back at the end with the hunters amd beam

[rapid sable]

Whay do you use personally?

Like perfer

[round zinc]

normal striker but grupo obliterate chest and dump everything into chd

[cerulean smelt]

but with tanks/warhounds i find chameleon just sucks because lack of heads to get the chc/chd buff

[flint wave]

I got it just fine In these manhunt missions

[forest forum]

Oh its the beginning I'd be trying to kill those things, the ending I'm best at!

[flint wave]

but there's a million elites in them

[rapid sable]

Oh i ment weapon aha and i do the same build

[flint wave]

Except for a few parts

[round zinc]

the manhunts are the exception i guess

but if all you run into are grunts then they all die

[forest forum]

And its my fav part

[rapid sable]

Yea hunters let the tanks taks the hits

[round zinc]

i can melt a chunga before i reach half mag with 100 striker stack

[flint wave]

I use chunga to get all my buffs lol

[round zinc]

thats like 25 shots on a 1050 rpm

[cerulean smelt]

but i'd say chameleon would probably be a good beginner weapon + coyotes to reach those chc/chd number a bit easier?

[rapid sable]

Indeed

[round zinc]

when you already reach all cham stacks its impossible to reach 200 striker stack cuz you'll just kill everything

[flint wave]

or atleast the headshot one because that's the hardes5 to get

[round zinc]

eh st elmo is a better beginner weapon

[flint wave]

if you kill everything so quickly then whats the difference

[rapid sable]

Killing still stacks and just use acs for stacks

[forest forum]

Idk i like my gear cuz not hard to kill the boss. Are headhunters bosses?

[round zinc]

swapping clears all stacks

[cerulean smelt]

even at 0 shd or if they don't put anything in chc/chd on their watch?

[round zinc]

at 200 striker stacks even a base cham shreds

[round zinc]

yes

maybe if you're into smgs then yea cham can be good

[flint wave]

chameleon is not an Assault rifle
that's what u gotta accept

[rapid sable]

Oh thought u ment striker stacks cuz they dont wipe on swap

[round zinc]

its just not gonna be as free as st elmo which is a stat stick

[round zinc]

oh yea striker stacks dont wipe on swap but cham does

[rapid sable]

Yea tru

Its a hit and miss and the end of the day

[round zinc]

so when you swap back to cham,by the time you get all 3 buffs,in normal combat your striker stacks would expire to 100 already

[rapid sable]

I still go elmo and i have both

I do love the sound of the chem tho 😭

[cerulean smelt]

i got ouro

[round zinc]

people have suggested using it in the incursion but if you account for the buff uptime and downtime cham is just mediocre

[flint wave]

btw I wouldn't go for the headshot buff

[rapid sable]

Thats why i dont run striker chest

[flint wave]

or try and fixate on it

[round zinc]

but for the 45 second duration with all buffs on it outdps almost...everything

almost

[cerulean smelt]

wouldn't it just be playing catch up to ouro from start to finish?

[round zinc]

well yea

[flint wave]

when I figured out you can't get Cham buffs on immortal wright that killed it for me

[cerulean smelt]

eh, even though strikers is ok?

[rapid sable]

Thats kinda weird

[flint wave]

strikers gets stacks just not chameleon

[round zinc]

if the starting point is like max potential cham vs ouro then it might be close

[rapid sable]

I reckon ouro takes the win tho

[round zinc]

if the starting point is base cham then yea no fucking way its ever gonna beat ouro

[rapid sable]

Sounds like a fkn minigun

[cerulean smelt]

yes, that's why i was like strikers is ok?

[shy willow]

Ouro is just broken in every sense

[flint wave]

If the starting point is base Cham most things beat cham

[shy willow]

Cant wait for golden bullet

[round zinc]

no one has ever tested cham's full dps potential iirc because you cant get the leg buff in the range

[rapid sable]

Its body shots tho not legs ?

[cerulean smelt]

i've tried HF and ouro. doesn't work well for me unless i just don't quite understand how HF works

[round zinc]

here's the thing:you can treat reload speed as a dps amplifier
with 150% reload speed,it outdps every AR already

[rapid sable]

Or is there 3 buffs and im trippin not played in a while

[round zinc]

now add the chest buff and 50% chd head buff

[forest forum]

Did anyone see a list for me to rebuild gear, if not if I'll go back and take some screenshots. Not sure how i feel bout less damage though.

[cerulean smelt]

yes the target range has not legs on the targets so you can't get the leg buff on something nonesistant

[rapid sable]

Ahh didnt think about that

[round zinc]

also did i mention that crit is a nonexistent problem with cham because if you get the head buff you're 1 chc attribute away from hitting the chc cap

[flint wave]

What if you walk out the white house get the leg buff on a purple and walk back into white house

does that kill the buff

[rapid sable]

Would u even make it 🤣

[round zinc]

idk,how does memento stacks work when you walk into the white house

[flint wave]

Buffs refresh out of combat

[cerulean smelt]

possibly because i think the target range just erases everything? but i'd say try it

[rapid sable]

True

[round zinc]

buff does not decay out of combat

[rapid sable]

Forgot that part im rusty

Not played in like 2 week

[flint wave]

Unlike memento tho fast traveling anywhere with chameleon buffs kills the buffs I believe

Like even control point to control piint

[round zinc]

i just thought of something

[cerulean smelt]

uh oh 😨

[round zinc]

since cham can literally hit the chc cap without needing to build into chc at all

[round zinc]

what if we replace the chc with hsd

[rapid sable]

All chd

[round zinc]

so its hsd+chd

[flint wave]

no

[rapid sable]

🤣

[flint wave]

bad idea

[round zinc]

ik they\ stack additively or something

[flint wave]

head buff is hard enough to build

[forest forum]

This better for the time being? This what i was running before i got the coyote mask

[round zinc]

huh,i have no problem getting it most of the time

well except dogs

but thats like 5% of the game

[cerulean smelt]

when you can, change the yellow on your gloves

[flint wave]

need better chest piece(brand and talent change) and a few blues and this is the really good alternative variant of strikers

[flint wave]

most enemies just die in 0.2 seconds if they don't have a helmet

that's what I experienced

[round zinc]

yea its more of a theoretical thing

in theory it MIGHT make just enough of a gap to be on the same level as ouro for 45 seconds

its not practical,nor will it be meta

[cerulean smelt]

been a shortwhile but i didn't notice does that dot for accuracy was it? bounce around like the ouroboros?

[round zinc]

its just some goofy shit that i just thought about

[rapid sable]

Lets just settle this its not as consistent as ouro its all chance

So ouro is better

[round zinc]

yea everyone and their grandma knows that

[flint wave]

it's consistent after the first encounter

[forest forum]

Both chest got unbreakable, one is grupo and the other the one yall don't like lol

[cerulean smelt]

that's my problem with strikers and especially memento but everyone tells me otherwise XD

[flint wave]

Starting fights with reload buff alone is a huge boost

[round zinc]

even if there's a chameleon build with enough hoops for you to jump over to outdps ouro its not gonna...beat ouro

[forest forum]

Shows difference in damage too for gun

[shy willow]

Me personally in solo i love me my eaglebearer just because its fun

[forest forum]

What i change it to?

[flint wave]

mementos 5 minute buff is pretty consistent

[cerulean smelt]

i never got to play the old school eaglebearer tankish build

[cerulean smelt]

are you guaranteed those trophies if you don't kill?

[shy willow]

Its quite fun if you can chain the headshots

[flint wave]

then just kill

it's a requirement in 98% of the game

[cerulean smelt]

i mean solo definitely but group. just takes one person to turn to your target and get killing blow and your potential trophy poofs into thin air XD

[flint wave]

yes it falls off in group play

but it depends on what the group composition is

[round zinc]

ight chat here's some random bullshit

[cerulean smelt]

that the merciless?

[round zinc]

why does it look so dim it looks better thru my screen

[flint wave]

look again

[shy willow]

Hdr?

[cerulean smelt]

😆

[round zinc]

nah thats chameleon

merciless hits for 8 mil non crit and 26 mil crit with the bug

[shy willow]

8 mil!?

[round zinc]

yea someone posted it on youtube

its been a bug for a good while now

[cerulean smelt]

never gotten taht on merciless. i've gotten consistent millions like i see there

[flint wave]

Strategies that are definitely practival

[shy willow]

Just base merciless?

[round zinc]

with the talent

[flint wave]

maybe weapon handling attributes is a better theory

[round zinc]

you see

i have 2 weapon handling stats there

[shy willow]

Like the explosion or the actual shot

[round zinc]

shot

[flint wave]

damn

[cerulean smelt]

another video i've seen 20ish something million in incursion

[shy willow]

What was this guy running i need this now

[round zinc]

realistically tho you will never need nor reach 1.8 mil per shot on your own

[round zinc]

its literally striker merciless

[forest forum]

Weapon handling adds damage doesn't it ?

[round zinc]

no they dont

[flint wave]

technically no

[shy willow]

Oh strikers that explains it

[forest forum]

Oh okay

[cerulean smelt]

no, it's reload speed, swap speed, accuracy and stability all in 1

[shy willow]

How you gonna maintain strikers with merciless😭

[flint wave]

it's not that slow

[cerulean smelt]

feel i'm missing something but those are the only things that come to mind with weapon handling

[flint wave]

but you can always acs

[forest forum]

Ughh, would've sworn i saw it increased it. Lol

[rapid sable]

Its too slow for stacks tho

Its literally a rifle

[cerulean smelt]

for a test out of curiosity i did a non demo explosion and demo explosion. both were the same. made me sad

[flint wave]

binary trigger

[forest forum]

Short?

[shy willow]

You can maintain probably if youre constantly laying down rounds but not gain at all

[rapid sable]

Whats that ?

[shy willow]

Fires on trigger pull and release

[cerulean smelt]

think of this @rapid sable yo push your mouse or firign trigger in. it shoots. you release mouse for firign trigger it shoots again

so as fast as you can hit your trigger it'll shoot that fast

the real challenge would be is controlling it so it keep hitting your target XD

[forest forum]

So pc lovers can hit that keyboard like nothing lol

[cerulean smelt]

if they have a keyboard binding to shoot yes

[forest forum]

Gamers i meant gamers but their pc lovers too

[rapid sable]

Well when u put it that way it can hold stacks

[round zinc]

for more random bullshit here's 200 backfire stacks+200 striker stacks

i swapped out 1 grupo for a ceska

and im like 80% sure somehow ouro still outdps it

[flint wave]

no haz pro?

[round zinc]

no hazpro

[flint wave]

bruh

[cerulean smelt]

Chairs is like "tis flesh wound"

[round zinc]

5% aok is usually enough for normal backfire use

[flint wave]

10%

[round zinc]

once you hit 200 stacks,subsequent reloads dont make you bleed anymore as long as you still have 200 stacks

so that 10% aok covers it enough

[livid horizon]

Oreo makes other smgs obsolete

[round zinc]

someone suggested it for a viable incursion dps strat which definitely works but still loses out to oreo

[cerulean smelt]

god i miss the hotshot from pts

[astral kraken]

disagree. oreo doesn't exist.

[flint wave]

Elmos almost made other ars obsolete

[round zinc]

counterargument:i have done the incursion 10 times and no ouro

[rapid sable]

Ur guna hate my luck

Its insane

[shy willow]

I mean if they were fresh it'd be different

[forest forum]

Is skill damage any good

[cerulean smelt]

depends

[livid horizon]

Nowhere near the damage from elmos is not higher than other ARs

[shy willow]

If you're using a skill build then yes

[livid horizon]

I had 2 oreos after 4 runs

[shy willow]

Ease of use is very very nice though

[flint wave]

the damage is higher then other ars because who cares about burst

[astral kraken]

it can be good but skill builds have a ceiling of general effectiveness. unless it's a very specific skill build to do a specific thing... they make things super tedious most of the time

[cerulean smelt]

if you're doing a pure skill build yes it'd be good, just not for fire chem and sticky fire ticks. just the intial setting somethign on fire

[astral kraken]

not to say skill builds are generally bad but i'd put my farming and expertise time/mats into something else first lol

[forest forum]

So that's why i get rid the yellow

[shy willow]

Skill builds are just there for when you wanna cheese things

Or not play the game

[cerulean smelt]

IE: throw turret out set drone out and semi-afk watching your shows

[astral kraken]

well for example CC is a skill build but you're pulling that out in specific cases where you already have good dps

so it can make certain content easier but for general use, no

[round zinc]

😔

[livid horizon]

Putting expertise upgrades on skills is a good idea, as these transfer to any character.

[rapid sable]

I despise skill builds. Too slow 😭

[cerulean smelt]

i want a level 24 deflector drone 👀

[rapid sable]

I perfer run and gun

[astral kraken]

i want 24 deflector drones

[flint wave]

and you still won't get 100% damage resist

[livid horizon]

Mine is at like 15 or somethin

[flint wave]

since it's actually .5% damage reduction instead of 1% per level

[cerulean smelt]

oh i know, but if similar builds going at each other the 24 expertise deflector drone would win in the end right?

[cerulean smelt]

mine's probably 0 or 10

[round zinc]

i have no idea how people can grind expertise that fast

[cerulean smelt]

easy

[forest forum]

Yall ever noticed the enemies point your location after you shoot or right before, i take off running than gun them down if i had not already.
Either that or someone higher lvl than me finish my kills. I'm learning to reload when short instead waiting for automatic reload.

[round zinc]

im at like 5 rn

[astral kraken]

afk skill builds while at work

[gentle lichen]

I believe 20% expertise on a drons is around a 2% extra damage reduction in pvp

[shy willow]

Exo components💀

[cerulean smelt]

10k 20k watch levels. level 31-40 and boom lots of scavenging points XD

[flint wave]

what expertise level do exotic components come into play

[rapid sable]

I feel u

[cerulean smelt]

11+

[flint wave]

damn

guess I'm not going over 11

[rapid sable]

They have hawk vision in this game

[gentle lichen]

12+ with gear 11+ with weapons

[round zinc]

ok how do i dump all of this into expertise

[cerulean smelt]

exotic components? you don't really

[shy willow]

Dump receiver components and shit

[gentle lichen]

This'll let you expertise like. 1 build to 20

[round zinc]

fr?

[shy willow]

Expertise is expensive

[flint wave]

carrot on a stick mechanic

[gentle lichen]

45 components each for every weapon to get to 20

[cerulean smelt]

but if you know the routes in DZ can just run those routes and hope for exotic components unless they added it LZ too then just grind you butt off on those

[astral kraken]

TRIGGER WARNING

[gentle lichen]

21 to 24 is 20 components for a level

[shy willow]

Oh my eyes

[flint wave]

white knees scary

[rapid sable]

Id rather farm it 😭

Its fun anyway

[forest forum]

I think i saw a bunch in dz lol

[cerulean smelt]

well, the expensive part is upgrading your weapons and skills

[rapid sable]

True

Its not too bad tho

Optimise is expensive

[forest forum]

But not armor right, avoid that?

[shy willow]

45 exotics cuh