td2-build-advice

[tawdry raven]

cant remember did the devs say last stream if the santa bag was a new item or a appearance item?

[hollow pasture]

They might give us smth new again this year
Like they did last year with oh Carol

[tawdry raven]

ppl use it if they dont use secondarys cuz it emmits a glow

[glossy scarab]

true

[hollow pasture]

We don't know much about that
All we know is the Christmas event will be basically like an advent calendar

[tawdry raven]

does santa outfit come back yearly? need that too

surprised the halloween balaclava didnt return

[clever snow]

Looking for assistance and guidance in constructing a rifle build focusing on the Classic M1A

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned spreadsheet, high end dps build guide. That's basically the M1A build

[clever snow]

Okay. Thanks.

[astral kraken]

Under optimal conditions taking into account oreo, can HF outperform Striker in raw DPS?

Optimal conditions for both gearsets

[magic pilot]

No striker will out dps

[slate wedge]

nope

[astral kraken]

ty

[onyx sage]

HF 4p gives a maximum of 53% amp without including the 2p bonus, which is far lower than striker's 2 or 3x multiplier, and striker isn't dependent on kills

[blissful rampart]

the benefit of HF is its very strong for CQB because of its AOK and daze on kill

IE its not a glass cannon like strikers

[onyx sage]

yep, it's a very fair tradeoff

[hollow pasture]

My favourite build for solo open world

With memento

[dense seal]

Hunter's Fury also has higher up front damage if you are within range

[hexed steppe]

keep an eye on the clan vendor. yaahl goes on sale every once in a while there... good time to stock up on the mats

[proud badger]

im super new going for DPS build, been playing 6 days. this is what i've accumulated so far, is this viable so far?

[flint wave]

viable for challenging

[rich cosmos]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves here

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned spreadsheet. Bunch of build guides in there. Strikers is a really easy one to get started and kind of the best.

Best place to farm gear is countdown on challenging difficulty

[proud badger]

I mean, ive been doing heroic raids and missions. ill go check out the spreadsheet, just trying to learn the game.

[rich cosmos]

I’m certain your getting carried

[proud badger]

haha

maybe the raids because it match make

but the missions are me and my buddy

[rich cosmos]

Because that isn’t optimal in any regard

[proud badger]

I'm just looking to have fun, no need to act like an A hole

[fickle light]

btw the matchmade version of the raids does not give any exclusive loot and is signifigantly easier

[proud badger]

👍 thanks.

[fickle light]

And yeah that build is barely a build- try going through the spreadsheet and grabbing one of those in the builds tab

[proud badger]

i promise you ive been looking for items towards a DPS build on the spreadsheet, should i have been able to find all the pieces i need for a build already?

genuinely asking because ive been playing less than a week, have been level 40 for like 3 days

[fickle light]

Not instantly, no.

[proud badger]

been doing some providence defence targeted look on summiot

okay im on pace as long as i keep farming lol

[fickle light]

An easier build is the striker build, you'll be able to farm all but the mask and a ceska peice at once

[proud badger]

i think ive seen the build

its the teal set ?

with wolfs mask or whatever

[hexed steppe]

farm countdown for builds. lots of loot and you can select type like in summit

[fickle light]

A teal set, yea

[proud badger]

alright ill just keep grinding it out, appreciate the genuinely hjelpful info

"Razorback DPS - Striker’s"

this is the easier to find early dps build im looking for?

[fickle light]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a&noteKey=ed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a%2Fed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&title=Strikers%2B%2528TU19%2529

[proud badger]

gotcha, i found it. ill be back when the set is complete and go from there. cheers.

[fickle light]

btw drop ninjabag as soon as possible- it is always a worse choice than a highend or gearset or other exotic backpack

[proud badger]

alright, i have another exotic backpack i can throw on

[hollow pasture]

Found THE meta chest piece

[round zinc]

METAH

[proud badger]

found some stuff, thanks @fickle light for the heads up

[cerulean smelt]

just missing the knees ;p

[proud badger]

only found trash roll knees so using these for now

to go farm the other pieces maybe, hopefully lol

[forest forum]

Is dodge city good with striker?

Got it from countdown using the exotic cache

[hollow pasture]

It's basically like having a pocket nuke

[fickle light]

Never use more than 4pc of a gearset. And change those knees my guy

[proud badger]

the gear set item has better stats than the previous piece i had lol

[fickle light]

Low rolls but right stats is better than perfect rolls but wrong stats

[proud badger]

i suppose youre right

[cerulean smelt]

the reason i said knees. incase you want to go a build with High End Chest and Backpack

[proud badger]

im going to go looting for a better cchest and maybe look for wolfs mask

but i have the knees in loot

[fickle light]

Coyote's mask btw

[proud badger]

yeah that lol

i knew it was some sort of canine

[forest forum]

Is there a gun killer that works fantastic with striker and dodge city?

[cerulean smelt]

meaning shooting things once in the head with your pistol?

[proud badger]

dps is like 5x what i was doing

[fickle light]

eventually swap your mask for Coyote's and the chest for a ceska chest with Obliterate

[proud badger]

im headed to countdown to look for the chest

would summit be best place to find mask?

or do you only get it in exotic caches

[forest forum]

You can buy them as much you want

[fickle light]

countdown works for the mask too

[forest forum]

With countdown money ofc

You get some exotic in countdown too

In challenge too

[proud badger]

oh

you get money for countdown

did 3, completed 3 so should have a few

[fresh sky]

Does ruthless/merciless drop in CD or just in missions/free roam?

[fickle light]

merciless can drop in countdown and in missions

[fresh sky]

Alr tysm

[forest forum]

It is!!

[woven cradle]

@bronze hound this is what I ran for dh earlier I know it's not all that good

[bronze hound]

Yeah change it 100%

[woven cradle]

Mostly just put together with what i had on hand tbh I haven't farmed th gear for a proper dps build

What exactly would you recommend i know you said a couple items earlier

@bronze hound ^

[bronze hound]

Ceska chest with obliterate and coyotes mask

And swap the M870 for a lefty

[woven cradle]

And you said the striker bag right?

[bronze hound]

Yes

[woven cradle]

Okay guessing countdown gonna be my best bet to farm everything

[bronze hound]

Also swap chem launcher for shield

Yes

[woven cradle]

I normally do the people i ran dh told me to swap it for riot foam

[bronze hound]

That's.... Wack

I've done 600+ dark hours runs nobody ever said that to anyone

Just kill them before the foam is needed

Simple problem simple solution

They might have said that cuz you didn't have the dps idk

[woven cradle]

That was my thought but I was the noob of the group so did what I was told lol

[bronze hound]

Yeah I've never ran riot foam

Completely unnecessary if you just gun everything down in half a mag

[woven cradle]

Don't think so one or two of them was using it as well

But maybe

Anyway thanks for the advice I better get to work farming haha

[bronze hound]

Maybe it's a console thing? Idk

[woven cradle]

Maybe idk I would rather have my shield cause like you said riot foam isn't needed if everything is dead

[bronze hound]

Exactly and if they're not dead then you'd rather not get shot

Oh shit one more thing

[woven cradle]

Yea i learned that lesson the hard way earlier haha

[bronze hound]

Swap survivalist for gunner if you're not doing generator

[woven cradle]

Okay this gonna sound dumb but why not that I'm against I'm just like to know the reason why im using certain things

[bronze hound]

Armour on kill with gunner

[woven cradle]

Makes sense

[bronze hound]

Just for the record I personally run none of this xD

This is my loadout

Except swap the reviver hive for a fixer drone

[woven cradle]

I'm not the kind of person that can look at that picture and tell what armour that is lol

I assume the green is striker's?

[bronze hound]

Holster is forge and kneepads is fox's prayer

Yes

[woven cradle]

So wait your recommending a build you don't even use... what the difference between the one you recommended and yours

[bronze hound]

Mine is gigachad

Fr tho I cut some things for survivability

And I run striker chest since it can theoretically do more damage granted you're at max stacks

Basically run whatever you want, but only within reason

You'll learn at some point what "within reason" is

But until then just run meta

[woven cradle]

Tbh I'm gonna do the same thing I always do make the meta build then tweak it slightly (and I mean very slightly) to fit my liking

Obviously after i see it's performance I will be able to tweak it without messing it all up

[bronze hound]

I wouldn't do that until you're confident with the mechanics of the game

Trust me I didn't

It was not good lol

[woven cradle]

I mean I'm not gonna do anything crazy but like you did with yours.. you know if I'm not surviving well I might look into options to help etc

[bronze hound]

If you're not surviving, not tryna be mean, that might be a skill issue you'd wanna work on

[woven cradle]

But that would be something I would do research or come her for first

[bronze hound]

Don't come here for tweaking anything lmao most people will say meta or shit build

The only reason I get away with my build is because I've proven countless times I know how to damn well use it

And even then Raucey hates it

[woven cradle]

I'm used to a little more armour so it is a skill issue not gonna lie haha running full dps I feel fragile its something I'm working on typically its my aggressive playstyle taking over and getting me killed lol

[bronze hound]

You'll get used to it

And trust me you will lmao

Just a bit of advice

Use cover a lot

And whenever you peek from cover, use your shield

[woven cradle]

Like I have one build that's terrible but fun when just messing around with 1.4 million armour but I get like half back per kill that I use to just face tank

[bronze hound]

If you want something similar try HHF

[woven cradle]

Like I would never take the build into any late game stuff buts it's fun to just run around and tank stuff when I'm bored haha

[bronze hound]

The spreadsheet pinned in this channel should have an HHF build in it

You might like it for open world, it absolutely shreds

I might have a clip of me using one hold on

[grand vector]

HHF kinda fun tbh

Altho i prefer using regulus with that

I just like the headshot booms

[bronze hound]

i think this is it?

not the clip i wanted

here we gho

[woven cradle]

What is hhf?

Like I know it's an abbreviated but from what

[bronze hound]

headhunters fury

its a hunters fury build that has headhunter

[woven cradle]

I probably will like that build the one the tanking build i mentioned above uses hunter's fury

Well 4 pieces for the set bonus

[bronze hound]

You can't tank with HHF

You don't do enough damage

[woven cradle]

Okay

Then wait what's the point of the build if you can't tank cause you don't do enough damage

Like how does it work

Like what role does it fill

[onyx sage]

you kill stuff faster than they can kill you, because you can one tap everything

if your aim game is good, you survive because anything you look at has a head

it is a damage build through and through, the survivability and crowd control are just to compensate for the fact that you have to be up close and personal

[shy willow]

HHF is what you'll see speedrunners use because you can one shot spawns

[sterile scarab]

Hi does incoming repairs increase/boost armor regen?

[forest forum]

From what i read online it seems it does not.

I can remove pics if not allowed just fyi.

[woven cradle]

Makes sense they don't want people stacking too much armor regen as is with decent regen and a shield you can tank for awhile tho I personally prefer armor on kill over regen

[shy willow]

I've only ever seen armour regen builds on raids

Emperor's guards and foundry bulwark and all that

[stray zodiac]

who can advise a build with a scorpion so that it absorbs a lot of damage so that it kills with a bang

[shy willow]

You can put Scorpio in any build and it'll work if that's what you mean

[hexed steppe]

memento, hunters fury, gunner. 30% armor on kill, disorient enemies around what you kill. scropio offers more cc. memento offers regen/weapon damage/ bonus armor

[stray zodiac]

I have a build built on the hunter's rage brand, but it does not give even armor

and through badger tuff it will not be possible to collect

?

[shy willow]

It regenerates 20 percent armour on kill

What's your build?

[hexed steppe]

you can get badger stuff anywhere. map > press R will show you what each areas target loot is. this rotates daily

[stray zodiac]

I don't know to be honest I found it on the Internet it was just shown there that they also give extra armor for killing

[livid horizon]

Hunters rage!

[hexed steppe]

if you can, post a screen shot of the build youre using and we can probably help further

[stray zodiac]

Not in the sense that I can't find it, but will it be possible to collect it through it

[shy willow]

Badger tuff and hunters fury are two separate sets

[stray zodiac]

I know

okay, after a week of experiments, I'll tell you the result

[hexed steppe]

hunters fury build
this is the basic guide. for shotgun use badger instead of sokolov, or swap in memento exotic bag for more survivability

[viral zephyr]

What builds is everyone using for pvp / pve

I’m mainly a pve player but want to try pvp

[cerulean smelt]

there's a link in the Pins up in the upper right hand corner with builds. when i do play i've been on a 4pc striker, Devil's Due backpack (perfect clutch) and grupo sombra pc with Ouroboros

[viral zephyr]

Nice mate I’ll have to have a look at the link when I have finished work is this for pvp

I’ve taken a break from division this is my first time back in a couple of months and it feels like I’m a new player again trying to understand it all again 😂

[cerulean smelt]

probably have both PvE and PvP builds in there. been a long while since i've looked

[viral zephyr]

Okay mate thankyou

[digital star]

Hello everyone, i away from my PlayStation and I can not for the life of me remember the name of the newer gear that give headshot damage when equipping one piece, it has a kind is shield looking emblem. If any of you could help fix my brain it would be greatly appreciated

[fallen comet]

habsburg?

[digital star]

Yes!!! Thank you!!!

[sterile scarab]

Thanks.

[ivory abyss]

So I’m using strikers with 1 ceska and coyotes and I think this is the best balance between chc/chd I can make with elmos as the primary weapon.

I could get 3 more chd% switching to grupo but then I’d be at 48% chc

[astral kraken]

that's optimal elmo iirc

[ivory abyss]

So this is basically done? No other way to squeeze more out

[magic pilot]

Ceska/coyotes with Elmo

[ivory abyss]

Okay cool. Can work on other stuff now 🙂

[hexed steppe]

Ceska coyote regardless.

[ivory abyss]

I’ve had some people tell me you can be in the 40s for chc but I don’t like being under 50 personally

[hexed steppe]

Yeah 40s is just bad advice

[magic pilot]

Not with smg

[ivory abyss]

I could be wrong but if using an smg wouldn’t you be better using that other gear set. HF I think it is

[hexed steppe]

For ar which is the primary use of striker outside of recent oreo meta

Probably even with oreo as well. You would be at 63% chc with same setup but also procing close buff on coyote so wouldn't wand to roll under cap
Unless I'm missing something which is always possible😅

[azure kelp]

@bronze hound

[bronze hound]

are you trying to make a sniper build or

[azure kelp]

It was a build on yt

[bronze hound]

thats not really a build

are you trying to make a sniper build?

[azure kelp]

Not primarily

Can I send links in here ?

To the video

[bronze hound]

you cant throw a sniper onto a dps build and make it work if thats what youre wanting

as long as its not self promotion yeah

btw i might be a little delayed since i have a paper due in a few days i need to get done

[azure kelp]

https://youtu.be/zJfD-i2Y_08?si=fMjHIzakadbrpB2Z

Oh ok you’re fine . I was going off that video that’s why I put that together

[bronze hound]

thats not what you have

[azure kelp]

Yeah ik I’m going piece by piece I have the weapons

[bronze hound]

basically that person just said a regular hotshot sniper build like whats in the spreadsheets

[azure kelp]

Oh so it’s nothing special about the build ?

[bronze hound]

no

only difference is put weapon handling on vest and backpack instead of crit chance

[azure kelp]

So do you think it’s worth using ?

Just tryna run through the event and stuff for grinding

[bronze hound]

my personal opinion is i hate all builds that use the determined talent

[magic pilot]

Grupo/coyotes is 53% on oreo

[tawdry flare]

you can go bloody knuckles for incursion for even more dmg

[urban latch]

It's a very good build, just realize that the video is done during a global event that gives a TON of extra headshot damage, so it's not exactly a fair representation. That said, determined is still busted OP on any ads you can 1 tap

[azure kelp]

Yeah I’m still grinding for it now

Tryna run through the event

[astral kraken]

d50 version is better

if you're going to make one build for reanimated it should be that one

if the goal is shd leveling and stuff

otherwise YT video is on point about leveling with that. it's crazy fast, lots of xp with all directives, and the loot is good too

#td2-build-advice message

[hexed steppe]

Ofc it would be... but you will be procing mid range constantly?
I feel like it more likely to be cqb since its smg.
And if cqb most of the time you wont benefit from coyotes mid range chc

It's probably in the spreadsheet pinned here

[azure kelp]

Yeah i got it thanks

[ivory abyss]

The carth PvP build is it safe to use elmos with it? Vs famas and eagle

[magic pilot]

53x178=9,434
60x163=9,780

So technically you are right

[magic pilot]

Yes you'd need to swap some pieces tho

Otherwise over crit cap

[ivory abyss]

Oh

Like I can use diff things besides ceska

[magic pilot]

No lol

[ivory abyss]

Because I’d have plenty of chc

[magic pilot]

Ceska is still needed

[ivory abyss]

So what changes would be needed because that set looks fun but I just want to use elmos really

I’m over using the famas already and eagle time for a change

[magic pilot]

Run grupo gloves and fox

Or if you have matador run that and ceska gloves with fox

[ivory abyss]

This is what I’m referring to btw

The one in spreadsheet

Like can I just plop elmos in that and be good to go

[flint wave]

after a chc attribute change, probably

[astral kraken]

elmos has mods that'll probably put you over the chc cap

[ivory abyss]

Like removing a chc mod or attribute on a piece

Like I can use headshot dmg on a piece instead of chc

Because if I can do that. That would be a big help lol because farming a perfect chest piece is annoying 😂

So this would be fine right

[astral kraken]

so i think elmos you'll be at like 64% chc

assuming you are chd/chc attribute on everything and all chd mods on gear

[ivory abyss]

With that chest I’d be 58% chc then I imagine because missing the 6%

Which is fine by me lol saves me hours of trying to farm a perfect one of those with unbreakable

Because my matador is all reds so that can’t change so it would have to be the chest that changes

[ivory abyss]

Can I ask why you went with those gloves. I know the mod slot but is that better than a possible brand set bonus?

[tulip mauve]

So, I followed your advice guys and tried to get rid of the CHC as best I could. I read here I don't really need the 4pc Hotshot, so I found these brand sets. Any further advice?

[hexed steppe]

You'll want 1 of your high end pieces as the bag so you can put vigilance on it. Top bag talent for snipers

Memento is also pretty nice once you have trophies but that's a bit more off meta

For the record if using determined and chaining body shots efficiently then 4pc hotshot talent is preserved since most determined shots that connect will register as headshots.

[magic pilot]

Run picaros and your good on that one

Just switching one attribute to hsd is a dps loss

[ivory abyss]

What about your gloves

Why improvised vs brand set?

[astral kraken]

just guessing but since grupo/ceska/fenris is already used up... there really isn't anything to put there except contractor's

which is 8% dta but you lose on chc/chd

whereas with improvised you get 6chc and 24chd

with contractor's you get 8dta and a choice btwn 6chc or 12chd

[ivory abyss]

Even better than like walker harris?

I guess it is. Interesting

[astral kraken]

i'm assuming they did the math and 6/24 crit is better than the 8dta but dunno

[woven lava]

Best build for incursions?

[astral kraken]

striker and fi healer

[ivory abyss]

Also I find interesting is all blues. No reds he has. Would that win out vs the exact same build with 5 blues 1 red

(Not including Picaros red)

[astral kraken]

it loses in a straight up face tank but it depends on how skills are used

[ivory abyss]

He’s level 4000 watch lol so I’m assuming he did all this for a reason just curious is all

[astral kraken]

and if running w group or solo

[ivory abyss]

Interesting to break down why people do certain things but you’re right could be different solo vs group situations

[astral kraken]

ppl tend to run more blues or all blues i noticed

[ivory abyss]

I will try both. All blues and then one with one red

[astral kraken]

gives you a chance to back out, heal, and reengage

[ivory abyss]

And now that I think about it

I guess 24 chd is prob better overall vs other brand sets not currently used

[ivory abyss]

Which means I need 1 more chd mod

[astral kraken]

thats what i usually run. busy bee is for cheesing when i just wanna get something done lol

[ivory abyss]

You got the good shotgun lol

I am gonna use that too.

[astral kraken]

i never use it. i dont even know why its there 😛

[ivory abyss]

I’ve seen sometimes with optimist it can 1 pump

But def 2 pump

[astral kraken]

this one for ganks when doing the kill agent project

sometimes with emp sticky

[azure kelp]

Is the gift is a dz drop?

[onyx sage]

dz + named cache but yeah

[azure kelp]

Damn

[onyx sage]

if you don't wanna go into dz just farm named caches

that's how i got all the ones i need

[azure kelp]

Ok thanks man

[cerulean smelt]

i'm late to the conversation. My personal opinion is to not wear gearsets unless you're going all 4 pieces otherwise you lose a lot of damage for missing 1 attribute on your gears

btw: perfect vigilence is useless, can just use any ole backpack with vigilence. the only difference between the 2 is 1 second cool down. perfect is 3 seconds normal is 4 seconds

[hexed steppe]

hotshot is one you can get away with 3 if built right. 3-2-1 is pretty popular lately

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure most of those are wearing Ninja bag though 99.9% of the time?

[hexed steppe]

no

3 hotshot, 2 habsburgh, 1 airaldi

[cerulean smelt]

1 gear set does jack wearing so taht 3-2-1 thing is false, just to lose 1 attribute. 2 pc possibly but you're still losing 2 attributes wearing that, then you go 3 = 3 attribute loss there

[hexed steppe]

you actually gain an attribute slot

the talent can be inconsistent and often not procced on hotshot

[cerulean smelt]

explain that? gear sets has 1 core and 1 attribute. where do you gain an extra attribute?

[hexed steppe]

so trading a hotshot piece making it a 3 set for a high end piece. you gain an attribute and technically another brand bonus

with headhunter scaling off wd , 2 habs and 1 airaldi both help hh and hotshot has a lot of handling and mmr damage as well

personally i like the hotshot bonus, but if it wasnt for determined keeping it proced on body shots i would also be using just 3pc hotshot

[cerulean smelt]

if you say so, but for me it's still not that great of a build where i'd trade 3 high ends for hotshot and you still lose 3 attributes

[hazy steeple]

@cerulean smelt What do you choose to replace the 3 hotshot pieces with?

[hexed steppe]

ok i kinda understand your previous statement more, you would go high end and no brand then?

i felt like you were coming from a 4pc hotshot standpoint and thats where i figured the gaining of attribute

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
like i said my opinion on either wearing all 4 pcs of a gearset or none at all unless you're using ninjabag

least 2 pieces that i can think of that would increase headshot damage would be 1 pc providence and punch drunk then 3rd whatever since there's nothing coming to mind of an exotic with headshot or MMR damage on it

[hexed steppe]

but with respect if already using habsburg 2pc and airaldi , i dont think there is anything else that will give you as much as gained from the 3 other pieces of hotshot

30% hsd, 30% handling, 30%mmr damage

[hazy steeple]

@cerulean smelt Using the NinjaBag misses out on the backpack Talent, one of the most important parts of any MMR build.
What is your damage like on this variant?
And a side note; Punch Drunk is worse than you might think. 20% HSD is really not worth wasting a brandset on.

the rule of "4 pieces or no pieces of a gearset" is really only broken by Hotshot, but as 'deck said, there's a very good reason for it.

[junior surge]

2 pc cavalier for hazpro builds aswell

[hazy steeple]

2 slots taken for 30% hazpro?

[hexed steppe]

ig technically if we figure in attribute rolls of the 3 pieces (since considering against punch drunk) it would really be 60%hsd, 30% handling, 30% mmr

50% if they are roll hazpro as well

[hazy steeple]

I mean okay sure 50%, but that's still not enough to actually negate any status effects.

[junior surge]

Yea, but there's still other pieces with hazpro

[hexed steppe]

yeah definitly would need more

[junior surge]

Cav is just one of the best ways to hit 100% conveniently

[hazy steeple]

You don't actually need 100% outside of pvp, but I kinda see what you mean.
It honestly feels like a very fine line between using 2pc Cav and just high-end pieces.

[cerulean smelt]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwBgtMDsEwzG5EOU1CBcAmAHGALDMGPNGmShnpvocRCOYyungJw1FFPcYCsHMHt3T8kXCkOaSy6aRNkTFM4AqGqlKIA
this build i've at least gotten 170% HSD to benefit from Perfect Head Hunter on gear alone, that's the goal isn't it?

[hexed steppe]

i do like a hazpro eclipse build for CD thats 100%... very handy for hunters

[junior surge]

I really like full haz for Williams. And it can be useful in other cases. There was this one manhunt mission with poison where I could just walk through.

[hazy steeple]

Next time I'm bored and ingame, I'll try throwing it on with my Backfire setup.
although I don't expect fireworks.

[junior surge]

3 pc eclipse is what I used before cavalier came out

[cerulean smelt]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EzC0BZQBlBGaEyYlyoC5gFYIPjANgE5VS1p1wxJ584pzGz1YDdazPHKTIY6mgxOhw04XCUnRCZ0ycxlcWcxRlXQgA
this according to the picture doesn't reach that 150% headshot damage on gear alone so you're really needing the weapon to hit the rest of that percentage and you're still not getting "backpack talent"

[hexed steppe]

i think we talked about this a while back and i felt like a real dummy not seeing it for what it truely was 💯 🍻

[hexed steppe]

if refering the the 3pc hotshot posted above it was suggested they swap high end to the bag so they can run vigilance, correct?
whitedeath and hotshot alone before figuring in attributes or other brands puts it @ 167% hsd

also, youre never running the gear without a weapon, correct?

[cerulean smelt]

i'm not seeing the advice to swap to high end backpack. most of the other conversation is geared towards a PvP build it seems?

[hexed steppe]

...

[cerulean smelt]

my bad, i jsut saw that below the picture immediately. think i thought you were talking about a pvp set up XD

[hexed steppe]

oh no, not me. i dont know squat about pvp setups 😅

i think the setup above he is hitting into the just under 330% for hsd.. with vigilance added he should be able to hit like 26mil range without the event running

[tawdry raven]

@hexed steppe were u the one who told me to run MR target loot for exotic drops? it was flawless til last update now its rare again

[hexed steppe]

personally i been liking this setup. so its not optimal for most damage. it does have a lot of survivablity between gunner, hotshot bonus armor and armor repair, memento regen and bonus armor 😎

[onyx sage]

3 hotshot is indeed meta, localdeck is right

[hexed steppe]

yeah that was me. and thats crappy if its not holding up now. its been a bit since i farmed cd

[tawdry raven]

got so many of my guns to 20 but now its been kinda dry when i wanted to start getting a famas to 20

[hexed steppe]

im also running some chc tot ake better advantage of elmo for when shtf

[cerulean smelt]

ah, curse devs in using almost similar icons for their gearsets. i had 2 OD in there so the headshot wasn't high because of it. put 3 hotshot and i see 160% headshot but 14 extra handling from just the 3 hot shot?

[hexed steppe]

you gotta sacrifice one of those runs with a well placed stinger hive at extraction. lootcifer will shin on you again 😈

[hexed steppe]

should be 30% handling

[gentle lichen]

What other attributes are useful for damage for headshot other than headshot damage?

[hexed steppe]

you think it would be worth rolling dta on the whitedeath? right now its dttooc

[onyx sage]

other bonuses like the self amp from 4p hotshot, 4p aces, etc. only affect the bullet damage portion but not hh bonus, although sometimes it will work better (like busy little bee amp only amps bullet damage but the bonus is very big anyway)

dta will give you higher max-stack damage yeah, and you don't have to rely on the target being out of cover. for targets like chungas and warhounds, check if you can still one-shot them without dttooc (or rather check if dta is costing you one more shot to kill than dttooc), if so you can commit to dta

[hexed steppe]

ill have to check it out then

[cerulean smelt]

for me, weapon handling

oof, changed the highend build to include both contractors and fox's and the headshot damage plummeted T_T

[gentle lichen]

Overrated especially with hotshot's 30%

Which is like 4 weapon handling attributes

[cerulean smelt]

if we could push CHC/CHD with headshot build i'd go that route but no matter how i see it, we'll either hit that 150% headshot damage for HH and have crappy chc/chd in the end or we'll hit the damge for CHC/CHD but have little to no headshot damage for HH

[onyx sage]

if you're doing headhunter generally you forgo crit because it doesn't multiply with hh bonus, unless you're doing some niche nego strat tbh

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, N-BTW asked beyond headshot what other attributes can be used and i only said weapon handling, then was just saying if we could do the CHC/CHD route i'd go that way with the attributes on gears and weapons

[onyx sage]

yeah, i agree with you

[distant cloak]

Hey, just looking at the future initiative healer build, should I be putting repair skills or skill haste in the mod slots? Cheers

[cerulean smelt]

i went the repair skills route with my build

[cerulean smelt]

if you're talking about the one from the pins it does say "Minor Attributes and Gear mods: Repair skills first, then Skill haste"

[forest juniper]

What builds use ninja bike backpacks? Just got a drop and wanted to build around it

[astral kraken]

bad ones? 😛

[forest juniper]

oh shoot really?

[astral kraken]

i havent really seen any builds that utilize it well but maybe someone's come up with it

yea the problem is you're giving up a a lot by not using a strong backpack

[forest juniper]

I thought it was extremely chased after

[junior surge]

It was, until people realized thaz it's pretty mediocre

[vestal ibex]

The mix of brand unlocks doesn't makeup for a talent loss on the backpack.

[junior surge]

Losing a backpack talent is rarely worth the handful of brandset attributes gained

[hollow pasture]

This game isn't like div 1
So ninja doesn't work that well as a backpack

Put it on a holster tho and there's ur solution

[junior surge]

The other thing too is awkward brand set bonuses. Imagine a dps build for example. You use grupo, ceska and fenris. Your 2nd piece bonuses are explosive damage, hazrpro and reload speed.

[hollow pasture]

Most of the 2nd and 3rd brand bonuses are not worth it

As they are horribly balanced
And they never cared to rebalance them

[cerulean smelt]

i've got a this build saved. Buddy came up with it when Ninja Bag released. i took it for a test run with a Hunting M44 over the white death as i didn't feel compelled to run MMR in countdown/Summit/Mission to get it and it did pretty well for what it's worth
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtMYAxgjNCZMS5UBcBWTL4GY480UAmVRdYMyefOKYx8jaheJj1LGGuZ-xlgh92AsRhA4asUZyTo5AheObpYyxRk3QgA

i don't recall if they were aiming for as much MMR damage as possible or if they were trying to ramp up the Headshot damage as much as possible. Think they eventually quit playing the game as i haven't seen them playing in discord

[glossy scarab]

yeah thats not far off from how i get a 100% mmr damage build

[cerulean smelt]

oh? i'm intrigued

[glossy scarab]

i dont remember the 2 and 3 pc bonuses for hotshot and aces, but i think the build has two pc of one of those sets, 1 pc of the other and an airialdi chest

[hexed steppe]

whats the top damage with no vigilance. like 20-23mil?

[glossy scarab]

23-24

[cerulean smelt]

3pc hotshot

[glossy scarab]

oh ok thanks

[cerulean smelt]

3pc A&8

[hexed steppe]

with hh, vigilance, 321 i think it tops out around 28mil.

[cerulean smelt]

is the last 15% from our Specializations?

[onyx sage]

yeah

[cerulean smelt]

ah ok, in the builder i only got 85% MMR damage and was like ok what pieces can push that extra 15% and was trying things out XD

[glossy scarab]

oh yea its the spec

the 100% mmr build does less damage than an 85% version with more hsd anyway

its not the best

[cerulean smelt]

what kind of damage difference would it be between HH and Focus?

[vestal ibex]

ALOT

[glossy scarab]

uge

[cerulean smelt]

so number wise? like XX, XXX?

[vestal ibex]

Focus is just TWD

Vs 1250% of your last killing blow

I mean it's different than that but the damage caps out.

[cerulean smelt]

ah and the only key difference between PHH and HH is that 25% damage killing blow aspect otherwise it's the same in general correct?

[glossy scarab]

yea

[vestal ibex]

Expertise is huge in HH builds too.

[onyx sage]

roughly speaking, perfect focus is 1.6x, while HH is around 2-3x

[vestal ibex]

It's noticable which usually is isn't so noticable.

[quartz ledge]

I'm using ChatterBox with hunters fury and Police M4 replica with striker as a SHD lvl >20. Any good?

[cerulean smelt]

i tend to like the perfect talents over normal talents. so i wasn't sure if i'd want to drop the W&H PHH to go with something like Airialdi with HH

[cerulean smelt]

does it kill things and you stay standing?

[onyx sage]

but it's really hard to compare them like this because one uses DPS as a metric while the other is alpha damage, which is binary in nature, can you or can you not hit the one-shot breakpoint

[quartz ledge]

On normal yes, tanking is a bit of a problem sometimes but it still gets the job done

[onyx sage]

read the appendix of my guide if you want the reasoning beyond why you would pick perfect HH over normal HH

[glossy scarab]

do yourself a favor and move on up to hard. you can handle it

[quartz ledge]

I mostly play summit in between rounds of farming loot in other places

And yeah I can deal with hard say 83% of the time

[onyx sage]

i would even say move up to challenging, and try to move away from tanking or taking damage in general

[quartz ledge]

Ah you see, I have something called major skill issue

[onyx sage]

this game is still rather tactical in nature

[quartz ledge]

Tactical cover based looter shooter with rpg elements

[onyx sage]

and that's something you will figure out eventually, consider it part of your progression to play smarter over time

[quartz ledge]

Basically if destiny 2 wasn't set in space and was actually fun to grind

[onyx sage]

not everyone starts out gun blazing in front of 10 dudes and kill all of them

[quartz ledge]

Ah yes the dream of every gamer, to take on 10 dudes.

[onyx sage]

this is regarding the highest difficulty btw

[grand vector]

all i can recommend is to use cover to cover cause u get iframes

rest comes with time

[quartz ledge]

The main thing I want to get is memento and St Elmo's, I don't mind sacrificing the bonus from the backpack for striker for that godly thing

[grand vector]

but cover to cover 1 button holding action

[onyx sage]

yeah cover to cover is OP

[quartz ledge]

Again, mostly play summit now

[onyx sage]

doesn't matter, you can turn up difficulty in summit

[glossy scarab]

take it as slow as you need but maxing out your character and getting the best gear you can possibly get is a lot of the fun of the game. you'll be rejecting a big portion of the value of the game by not learning to get better on higher difficulties

[quartz ledge]

The biggest pain to me is going to be the SHD levels

And ofc the exotic farm

[grand vector]

Exotics are easy to get since countdown exists

[quartz ledge]

Xbox player, no gold

Which basically means solo only

[grand vector]

oh yeah i often forget consoles have these cringe services

[cerulean smelt]

personally, the striker backpack would be better considering you get your stacks and you get 1% per stack. memento you have to run out and grab each trophy to benefit from it and you may tend to go down grabbing them trophies unless you're going to do the shield walking killing and pick up trophies all at once but that shield breaks and you'll probably go down anyways as it's hard to move while confused

[quartz ledge]

Its so annoying and useless, the companies are still gonna get so much money if not more

[quartz ledge]

Challenging is probably just a tad bit too hard for me ATM, using strikers or Hunter's Fury leaves me below 1million armour Xd

[onyx sage]

take it slow and gradually learn how the enemy AI works in this game and how cover works, but just know that players can solo legendary with 700k armor all the time

it's something that comes over time as you learn how it works, so my point is don't view using more armor as a necessity

if you need to, use more armor but still put out enough damage to kill, then as you get more comfortable, reduce your armor to get more damage

[quartz ledge]

The ai in this game is kinda stupid sometimes like full empty head moments.
Cover to me is just annoying because Xbox controls suck and I can't be bothered to rebind, I'm a fast paced player rushing around enemies and rolling into cover which doesn't work half the time because lanky controls

[quartz ledge]

I've got damage sorted even with mostly blue cores

[grand vector]

Yea you see thats probably why challenging is hard to deal with

[onyx sage]

yeah because cover is the most important mechanic in this game. if you and an npc get put in a room with no cover, the npc will win

[grand vector]

Quite literally that

[quartz ledge]

I used to mostly run artificer+ crusader shield back when I boosted to lvl 30 and it mostly carried me but now the gunner specialization is what I use

[onyx sage]

if you're relying on the shield a lot, that may be the source of your frustration towards cover, because you have to put away the shield to get into cover

even then, you can learn the timing of when to use the cover button after putting away the shield. it's a learned thing

[quartz ledge]

Nah I don't use the shield anymore, almost always have striker drone, sometimes do the afk thing and use turret or when I'm using Hunter's Fury I use it with banshee pulse

Banshee as a way to start an encounter or as a emergency life line
Striker just helps move encounters along

[hollow pasture]

Use the shield as a tool not a crutch

[onyx sage]

you'll come to realize that the shield has a lot more health than you, so in situations where you have to finish off some stragglers and take some damage, the shield is the best skill for that

while drone can help distract enemies, if you're on a gun build with low skill tier the drone just gets destroyed too quickly. there are other skills that help you more to distract enemies, like decoy

banshee pulse is good, but on skill tier 0, has only 50% uptime

[quartz ledge]

I mean my drone survives basically multiple encounters, and I mostly use it as a support ticket for that free wallhacks and as just a bit of extra damage to sprinkle in here and there

Banshee again, in case of emergency press [bind here]

[onyx sage]

and because you're running into trouble getting to higher difficulties, i'm suggesting better solutions than those to you

[quartz ledge]

Or stunning a boss so I can do some DPS*

[onyx sage]

the scorpio does that and doesn't cost a skill slot and doesn't take 50 years to recover

what i'm also going to suggest is watch how other players play and learn from them

[gentle lichen]

Is a hollow man with skill damage useful for anything?

[onyx sage]

i don't think so because no skills use dth

[cerulean smelt]

i wouln't think so considering they semi nerfed DTH a season or so after it's release

[quartz ledge]

Countdown is not an options so it's either pray to RNGesus on summit floor 10 or just find an alternative

[gentle lichen]

Hmm thought it had the effect of foxes or contractors when it came to using it with oxi

[quartz ledge]

Best case scenario, I get a St Elmo's Engine and just abuse the hell out of that

[cerulean smelt]

never thought of using it in an oxi build honestly

[gentle lichen]

It does actually

[cerulean smelt]

i'll have to give it another shot

[onyx sage]

yeah while dta and dttooc do get used, dth actually doesn't

so hollow man isn't used in any skill build

[gentle lichen]

Unfortunate since dogs would suffer greatly from it

[tulip mauve]

So, the general consensus is to simply use normal Headhunter instead of the Perfect version and go for a better brand set?

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
did you read the guide mentioned here regarding PHH and HH?

[tulip mauve]

So, Perfect makes it easier to kill (reach the kill threshold) for anything between 0 stacks and max stacks?

While normal HH just makes the first 0 stack kill easier, while max stack kills become meaningless at that point.

[cerulean smelt]

that's how i read it, and regular HH can be used if you've reached that and can kill in 1 shot without phh

[tulip mauve]

Well, from the little experience I've had, that one first headshot does not always kill my target, and that has happened more than once before.

[cerulean smelt]

same here, so i'm stuck using PHH and i always tend to miss my headshots too T_T

[tulip mauve]

The breakdown on that guide gave me a clearer picture of what's at play with HH, ngl.

[astral kraken]

Not sure if it's been mentioned to you but this is a very handy tool for you to set some damage targets: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OP0r0A81wroX9v9iZ1u-jYNndTjugaB8e1MxS3FWCsk

[azure kelp]

@astral kraken is their another substitute for “the gift” for the D50 build ?

[cerulean smelt]

i'd say any ole backpack with vigilence works

gift difference is 1 second cool down

[astral kraken]

yep

the gift is not necessary at all

[cerulean smelt]

4 second normal Vigilence 3 second Perfect Vigilence

[azure kelp]

Ok thanks that’s the only thing I was missing

Ima go farm a bag with vigilance

[vestal ibex]

Someone somewhere, "ThAt'S 33% mOrE dAmAgE" lol

[cerulean smelt]

nods i can see it, even a streamer it's a fact!

[broken lion]

How good is the bluescreen? I just started the game and was wondering if, assuming all rolls are equal, is bluescreen or carbine 7 a better weapon? Im running heartbreaker set

[cerulean smelt]

thing i don't like about bluescreen you have to gain stacks and then either reload the gun or use a skill like chem launcher to make the bluescreen do it's thing

[broken lion]

Ahh, ive been running it with pulse sensor

[hollow pasture]

There's ways you can make it be good
But for Heartbreaker I'd run the carbine 7 with flatline on it and the technician linked laser pointer

[broken lion]

The only exotic gear i have is the capacitor

[broken lion]

Ah gotcha

[cerulean smelt]

Carbine 7 isn't an exotic weapon. just an AR with a nice laser beam effect in terms of firing it

[broken lion]

Yea, its just habitually i use only 1 gun as my primary fighting gun so idrk what to do with the 2nd slot

[forest forum]

Carbine 7 works amazing for far distance (at least 50*meters I'd say) aiming i would use scope 8x, might actually do that again for my secondary weapon.

The gun is very stable

[flint wave]

binoculars

[shy willow]

Nice for legendary shield peek

[broken lion]

What does that mean?

[onyx sage]

shield peeking is when you use a scope and shield to be able to shoot while not taking return fire

[flint wave]

headglitching by scoping in with a shield

[broken lion]

Ohhhh and does that bypass most damage?

[onyx sage]

not taking return fire means that, yes

[broken lion]

Like with heartbreaker would i be able to perma peek?

[flint wave]

pray you don't get exploded

[broken lion]

Ah fair

[cerulean smelt]

so in the game that's not going to get fixed according to trello board. you can equip a gun that can be used by Ballistic and forget the other shield where you can mount a weapon on it with a scope. you magically go rubberbanding to peek around a corner where you don't get seen by anyone

[broken lion]

And then id run all damage attributes id assume?

[flint wave]

depends

[onyx sage]

preferably yes

[broken lion]

Ahh dang, okay

Im rockin a pure defensive build rn with 0% crit chance 🤣

[shy willow]

I have coyotes pristine example and then 4 pc strikers

[broken lion]

Just pure weapon dmg

[flint wave]

how do you kill stuff

[shy willow]

Story difficulty or something probably

[broken lion]

Well ive just been doing heroic summit

[shy willow]

HEROIC

[broken lion]

I play with my friend we both just started

We are on floor 50 now

I started 2 days ago 😭🤣

[shy willow]

What's your friend running

[broken lion]

Striker smg

The one with melee bonus dmg
I forget the name

[flint wave]

lady death

[shy willow]

Lady death?

[broken lion]

Yea

[shy willow]

Yikes

[broken lion]

Is that one bad?

Are both our loadouts scuffed? 🤣

[cerulean smelt]

lady death is great for league runs

[shy willow]

Screenshot them and send them here

[broken lion]

Ahh im not home rn im just on phone

[cerulean smelt]

but melee from agents are just weak in general

[broken lion]

Mine has 1 max roll 2 mid rolls he has 3 high rolls

[shy willow]

Ever since I got Oreo I've never looked back

[broken lion]

Bluescreen hesrtbreaker + lady death striker

[shy willow]

High rolls don't count as much as the rolls themselves

[cerulean smelt]

same, pretty fun just obliterating everything XD

[flint wave]

ouro is annoying

ammo eater smg

[cerulean smelt]

waiting until Golden week?

[shy willow]

It destroys ammo reserves but better all the bullets be implanted in enemies skulls than sat in your backpack

[shy willow]

GB ouroboros is scary

[broken lion]

Mine is lmg damage core and then max armor dmg and mid roll dmg out of cover

[shy willow]

Whenever you get the chance just post your build and people will tell ya what to change and what to keep

[broken lion]

Will do!

[broken lion]

Do you happen to know if the 8x AR scope comes automatically? Just in case i need to plan a way to get it when i get home

I looked it up and cant rly find anything

[shy willow]

There should be some kind of blueprint for it

[broken lion]

Ah snap

[shy willow]

At your level you won't be needing it for an AR though

[cerulean smelt]

nods got to run level 3 (challenging difficulty) or level 4 (heroic difficulty) control points back to back until you get it hopefully

i've tried an AR + Focus build and i honestly don't like it

[shy willow]

I only see it on legendary

[broken lion]

Oh rly? I thought it was rly good on the carbine so i was hoping to try it

[shy willow]

For legendary yes

[broken lion]

We need to complete the legendary run for our exotic haha

[shy willow]

Easier way to get one would be requisitions

Better general use build would be strikers

[broken lion]

Ahh idek what requisitions are

[cerulean smelt]

nods 6 pieces. 1 mask, 1 backpack, 1 chest, 1 gloves, 1 holster and 1 knees so you can change out 2 of the other pieces

[broken lion]

Oh gotcha, i have striker too

My striker srt just aint as good

[cerulean smelt]

Requisitions are the stuff you donate, steel, ceramics and various other things in the weekly project and get rewarded a named item and exotic cache i think?

[broken lion]

Ohhh yea yea

[cerulean smelt]

if you got the materials, you can do that 4x a week

[broken lion]

Wait... what?!?!?!

I only saw one

[cerulean smelt]

depending how determined you are though can go further each week. erase character(s) go through wony each time and turn in materials XD

[broken lion]

OH SIIIKE

Miss me w/ that, one character only for me 🤣

[cerulean smelt]

for now, eventually you'll come to the dark side and start 3 more characters

[broken lion]

Bro doont 😭 wouldnt i need to lvl all 3 from scratch?

[cerulean smelt]

since you got a buddy. if both of you get a good build together. you can take turns carrying each other through wony. until you're both satisified

[cerulean smelt]

nah, you can start the last 3 characters from WONY

[broken lion]

😮

[cerulean smelt]

so level 31-40

[broken lion]

Oh that aint even too bad

Technically thats more time efficient than farming exotics but less fun

[cerulean smelt]

think a buddy and i did that and took us roughly 1.5 hours per character run

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, it's not exactly fun for the boostee and booster honestly. i got bored of it pretty quickly

[broken lion]

Yea but economically, 4 exotics a week for mats is kinda nutty, no?

Or maybe is farming on legendary just quicker

[cerulean smelt]

depends i'd guess. if you've been doing nothing but farming controlpoints and other things you naturally accumulate materials

[astral kraken]

@broken lion you're just looking for exotic gear?

if so countdown and seasonal events are a much better way to get caches

you'll be opening 4-6 caches per day (more if you play a ton) and you'll be earning a bunch of other stuff in the meantime

[broken lion]

oh nice, ty!

also, can i run the 12x on my carbine 7 or is the 8x strictly better?

also this is what i have rn

[shy willow]

Seeing as heartbreaker already has some survivability I'd suggest trying to get red pieces

That and run technician for the pulse laser

Swap the walker for ceska and catharsis for coyote's mask or grupo

[broken lion]

ok, ill try once i can get new thiungs but those two are my only exotics

[shy willow]

Not many exotics are worth using so you're good

[broken lion]

WAIT I JUST GOT CHAMELEON

IS IT GOOD?

[hazy steeple]

Not overly, but grats on the new Exotic!

[flint wave]

It's good but not as an "ar"

[broken lion]

hey, so if i use the carbine 7 what is the best talent if im using it with a 12x scope?

[hexed steppe]

requisitions were referring to countdown credits. exo cache purchased every 30 mins (2 runs) with CD

[hexed steppe]

its good to have all agents made and through wony. its not a rush thing that needs to be done right now, but it can be very helpful down the road a bit.

you may have noticed that as you gain levels, every 5th shd level you get a scavenging point. these scavenging points, although pretty meager since youve only gained 3 atm, keep accumulating. youll have 200 available up to shd1000. after shd1000 all shd levels earn scavenging points.

shd is shared among any agent you have created and through wony. this means as you gain levels on your main agent, your alternate agents will also gain a level. this effectively duplicates the shd points you gain including any scavenging. materials are shared among all agents.

having all alts through wony will give you access to:
4x the scavenging points.
4x exotic projects
4x chances at the incursion box
450 extra storage in the alt agents backpacks

essay done, once you hit a higher level ask about wony runs for shd farming

[long totem]

Thoughts on striker with 2 piece belstone ?

[tawdry flare]

1% armour regen is not that great also for the 10%aok use gunner for the specialization

[glossy scarab]

gunner + the belstones for 20% aok isnt the worst idea ever but i always choose damage over aok etc

[onyx sage]

if you're after aok then it'd be a good option, i'm guessing you're pairing it with gunner for 20% aok

[hexed steppe]

Regen > aok
Regen is constant regardless of kills...

[tawdry flare]

ahh sure but you are loasing dmg for it its not the worst setup si i will give it that

[cerulean smelt]

nods it probably works solo since you'll be doing the most killing, but group you're never guaranteed that kill for the aok

[onyx sage]

i'm going to use 2 red belstone pieces just for a strat in tidal basin boss stage

after some theorycrafting i think 1% armor regen might just be enough to withstand the gas in the room

[hexed steppe]

Just to make sure. 1% regen is 1%/second correct?

[onyx sage]

yep

[tawdry flare]

can't you do 1 % belstone and 1% emperors knee

[onyx sage]

lost brand and substat

murakami is useless

[hexed steppe]

Memento is out, right since no guarantee of trophy

[onyx sage]

i'm limiting myself by not using memento and 6 red requirement

[cerulean smelt]

for me memento is bad because you have to risk yourself picking up the trophies if you get them

[tawdry flare]

Mhh than catharsis is out too

[onyx sage]

of course

[tawdry flare]

You can use expertise 15 on weapon you will be at 6 red

[onyx sage]

how about 20

[cerulean smelt]

least wtih catharsis you can get 30% weapon damage getting hit

[onyx sage]

it's not constant, on average it's 15% assuming i always get hit

[hexed steppe]

What skills being used

[onyx sage]

shield and decoy

[tawdry flare]

Totally rng

[cerulean smelt]

is it?

[tawdry flare]

But at the tidal end it is guaranteed

[hexed steppe]

Yellow Picaros usage?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah cause the fluctuations is very high

[onyx sage]

no yellow allowed

[hexed steppe]

Leave blue. Still 6 red

[onyx sage]

hmm, i still want to squeeze as much crit as possible

[cerulean smelt]

i know how you feel. anytime i play anything i'm like crits are at least always there

[onyx sage]

i am using pfe though

yeah. because i use 3 pfe mods my crits are gonna be low enough

[tawdry flare]

Mhh you can use preservation

With gunner

[onyx sage]

nah, i'm gonna use elmo

i know, how can i stoop this low right

[tawdry flare]

For the shock so they don't move

[onyx sage]

yeah that and the added crit is actually good

[tawdry flare]

This demands you change your pfp to elmos

GC is dead In the water than no focus obliterate ftw

[hexed steppe]

So you're gonna have aok on the build. Have you considered shock traps? Each shock will trigger aok,

[cerulean smelt]

eh, i still prefer glass cannon

[onyx sage]

that's a good idea, i might

[onyx sage]

using striker chest

[tawdry flare]

Ahh tidal last room constantly remove your armour

[tawdry flare]

Yeah I forgot that was an option

[onyx sage]

yeah my plan is to use the container at the starting side and hold out there, after killing the left and right turrets

[cerulean smelt]

this tidal teh normal last invasion mission or one of the other tidal?

[tawdry flare]

Tidal legendary final room

[cerulean smelt]

ah legendary, don't remember if i ever ran it before

[onyx sage]

you know me better than running anything that's not legendary, surely

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, GC legendary would be rough

well, i don't know you well enough to know, wish they'd just give us legendary world difficulty though

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[onyx sage]

you watch my streams all the time

[cerulean smelt]

do i?

[onyx sage]

look at my name

[tawdry flare]

need help with belstone pcs

[onyx sage]

farming rn in summit yeah

[cerulean smelt]

name doesn't ring a bell of streamers i tend to watch

[tawdry flare]

dien.aka.kim

[onyx sage]

you don't remember me running legendaries back to back with regulus?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i looked at the name and it doesn't ring a bell of a stream i've watched

[onyx sage]

oh wait nvm it's another person, you're right. ignore me

[cerulean smelt]

probably close to similar name but spelt a bit differently?

[onyx sage]

loststar yeah

[modest palm]

hey the fixer drone, do the skill damage affect it?

[onyx sage]

no

[modest palm]

alright thank

[grand vector]

People stay in Tidal Legendary final room?

What do you do, jerk off or something?

[onyx sage]

i'm doing solo 6 red lol

but not staying in there anyway, going to try hold out in the south container

[grand vector]

Id go to the left side corner

Top left that is

[onyx sage]

i tried that

[grand vector]

Ah, thats where I usually do it from

[onyx sage]

can't anticipate the rusher shock grenades well enough

[hexed steppe]

Skill repair will affect.
Can get skill repair free from tech class (10%) or memento (30%+)

[cerulean smelt]

doesn't 2 pc RH or something give skill repair too?

[hexed steppe]

Alps ,murakami ,rk but it's not free. Ig memento isnt really free either but the skill efficiency gives way more than any single piece in its place can

[bronze hound]

i run forge on my dps build to amp my fixer drone

[shy willow]

Skill efficiency is damage haste and all rolled into one

[shy willow]

Genius

[cerulean smelt]

not to mention the sheer amount of farming for those pieces XD

[hexed steppe]

All skill buckets

[cerulean smelt]

nods what i got out of what Skill Efficiency does

[hexed steppe]

Skill Damage/haste/skill repair/skill health/skill duration/status effects...
I feel like I'm forgetting a bucket

[cerulean smelt]

Skill damage, skill haste, skill repair, skill health, skill duration, status effects 🤔 feels like you hit them all. maybe ChampionEevee the dev will remind us the 1 or few we've missed

[shy willow]

Naw I think you got them

[long totem]

I was thinking of using a belstone with spotter chest, and technician for the laser pointer. 2nd piece Belstone would be in kneepad slot

[bronze hound]

shield health

idk if that counts as skill health

[hexed steppe]

Skill health relates to that iirc

[bronze hound]

also technically threat

threat is technically impacted iirc

[cerulean smelt]

hmm 🤔 you'd think it would considering there were shield builds videos "you've got to use mother love gloves if you use a shield" but when we do we realize it only increases the base health which wasn't much in general

[onyx sage]

more like forge*

[hexed steppe]

Is that tied to skilltier?

[bronze hound]

the rating on the decoy

[hexed steppe]

Oic

[onyx sage]

skill health is multiplicative to shield health, which is the multiplier increased by skill tier

[cerulean smelt]

not sure how many videos i've watched "bigger shield health = Forge Holster + Motherly Love Gloves

[bronze hound]

i mean technically?

[shy willow]

FB+pointman+belstone/ protector= virtually invincible anyway

[bronze hound]

ew fb

[onyx sage]

i never use facebook

[shy willow]

It does make you virtually unkillable

[bronze hound]

no it doesnt

pfe is the only determinant of survivability for a tank

[shy willow]

I only have like 36 percent pfe because the game refuses to drop a 13 percent one

[cerulean smelt]

so 6 pc improvied with 13% PFE in all mods? ;p

[bronze hound]

yes

[shy willow]

It's capped at 70 iirc

[bronze hound]

80

[shy willow]

Oops

[bronze hound]

or if you dont wanna pray on rng do 7 mods or 6 mods + survivalist

[cerulean smelt]

oh right chill out mask 🤔

[bronze hound]

this is what i use for legendary and it works absolutely strong af

[shy willow]

Out of curiosity how hard did the changes hit tips

[bronze hound]

not worth running

[cerulean smelt]

would chill out, chest/backpack + 3 improvised al PFE + survivalist be too much? ;p

[bronze hound]

yes

13*7 + 10

[shy willow]

Oh god is that one of those named g28s

[bronze hound]

101*

[bronze hound]

i think thats just cuz i had nothing else worth putting there

[cerulean smelt]

then one day devs lift the 80% lock and we can go 100% ;p

[shy willow]

It'd take 3 business days to get through an encounter with that

[cerulean smelt]

well, i don't even have 1 13% all 12% for me ;p

[shy willow]

Games stingy with maxed gear mods

Especially pfe

[magic pilot]

Most players with 13% mods I've seen will run chillout and then you can run emperors

And different spec class

[round zinc]

sledgehammer on an ant

[bronze hound]

waste of a grenade ngl

[shy willow]

💀

[bronze hound]

not like you need exactly max anyways

at that point if you die its not because of 3% missing its because of a skill issue

[cerulean smelt]

if i die a lot with that build it's definitely because i'm lost ;p

[bronze hound]

im practically immune with this

[shy willow]

Beware the purple adds

[bronze hound]

just kill them you have the dps with just a base liberty and catharsis lmao

[shy willow]

Don't they have insanely high health on legendary

[cerulean smelt]

or bash them with sweet dreams? ;p

[bronze hound]

no

[bronze hound]

liberty is essential tbh

because what do you do if you have four purples on you

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i know XD

[shy willow]

Enough that having 6 blues would make killing them really slow though surely

[bronze hound]

no

catharsis weapon damage buff

[shy willow]

So 30 percent from liberty and like what 30 percent from catharsis

Ohhhhh that makes more sense

[tawdry flare]

get destroyed by legendary red and purple 🤣

[bronze hound]

read the chat mate

[bronze hound]

60 from liberty

[cerulean smelt]

eh, if you can keep the shield between you and the red/purples then it's not that hard to run it in 6 blues in the end

[shy willow]

It stacks that high damn

[bronze hound]

ngl i forgot liberty even had weapon damage until just now xD

[tawdry flare]

90% wd so 6 red cores

[cerulean smelt]

i get stuck on the talent text "shoot body for stacks then shoot head to repair shield" part

[bronze hound]

same lmao

so yeah i actually do quite a bit of damage for a tank

[shy willow]

I always assumed having 6 blues/yellows instantly made your weapons useless

[bronze hound]

nah

source: ouro

[tawdry flare]

Sleigher

[shy willow]

That shit still does good DPS without reds?

[bronze hound]

a 6-blue striker with ouro beats out a 6-red striker with famas

[shy willow]

What in the hell

[bronze hound]

lmao

[shy willow]

It really is beyond broken

And I've been too busy running the incursion to find out how easily it deals with solo heroic

[bronze hound]

well its straight up nuking through incursion'

[cerulean smelt]

ever ran that in incursion and get booted?

[shy willow]

Booted for doing too much damage?

[cerulean smelt]

nah, some people not knowing. might inspect "wtf is a tank doing in incursion?!?!" and boot not thinking hey wait a minute that's some good damage for being all blue 🤔

[shy willow]

Ohh the pfe build

It's a little different on the incursion seeing as there's not really anywhere sensible for a tank

[cerulean smelt]

yeah

well, not sure how the turrets work, but a tank might be handy there for a dps to destroy the turret generators? then the tanks at the end could keep the tank from taking anymore extra damage

[shy willow]

Me personally I just send oxidisers from the back

[bronze hound]

thats what i did my first run

i just tanked and chipped away

[shy willow]

Overcharge with Acosta's and just spam

[cerulean smelt]

🤔 and what if they do the firewall shield for the love birds and dps did some extra damage?

[bronze hound]

what if they used common sense and didnt

[cerulean smelt]

right?! XD

watched some videos where the party did 1 phase love birds without the 1 shot cheese i think? just literally everyone doing enough damage with the firewall shield

[shy willow]

Just separate them DPS one destroy the drone sit in the back and shred Johnson then martinez

[broken lion]

Gotcha, thank you so much!!!

[ruby bison]

Returning player. this is what i've been rocking. Tryna end up doing higher level stuff sooner or later. My style has been tanky with high powered rifles (Hence the 50 cal.) Rn im tryna look for either a new exotic assault rifle or Marksmen rifle that would work good for me.

[cerulean smelt]

well, exotic AR/MMR aren't many there honestly. probably a list in the pins section of each exotic you can get in game currently

[ruby bison]

im just lookin for any all around improvments i could make

[vestal ibex]

You don't have a build currently with any direction is the way to put it.

[ruby bison]

The preset was named generalist. So im really not suprised by that fact.

[vestal ibex]

So you should probably just pick a build with your personal playstyle in mind and go for that.

[cerulean smelt]

like you're fresh out of NY putting on anything XD

[vestal ibex]

There is a spreadsheet in this channels pinned messages that has a builds tab that open up into comprehensive build guides.

There are tons of types of builds but a damage focused build will allow you to farm and move up difficulty.

[ruby bison]

Thats kinda been the thing. However im not exactly fresh out of NY. Been out for a MINUTE.. Just throwin up random things tryna do higher difficulty stuff.

[ruby bison]

Gotcha.

Its helpful that my Memento has max damage bonus i suppose.

[vestal ibex]

Eh max line items aren't so important as attributes that contribute to your build. Skill damage doesn't matter on a build where your damage comes from your gun, a poor roll on CHC would do better.

[cerulean smelt]

Fyi: you're sitting on a 6 tier shield with 7 cores for the shiel

[ruby bison]

Wasn't really intending the shield to have the 7 cores. Just kinda ended up that way.

So like the attributes on my holster?

[bronze hound]

just go to the pinned spreadsheet, pick a build, and farm for it

[vestal ibex]

Thougth you were gonna teach about the forge...

[vestal ibex]

It's 50% to a teir 1 shield.

[bronze hound]

im like the only person on this server who runs it on an organized build

[vestal ibex]

That's why I figured you were gonna teach dem.

[ruby bison]

i just have it cause shield health and skill damage. 🤷‍♂️

[cerulean smelt]

I assumed the shield health increase from it was how many shield tears one has on it?

[bronze hound]

no

wait wdym

[vestal ibex]

I'll be honest with you, looking at the build you posted I have no idea what the goal or normal usage would be.

[bronze hound]

to me it looks like a "try to do everything" attempt

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's all good, I get it, you came for advice. The advice I'd give is look up a build guide and shoot for it vs trying to make something work from random gear.

[cerulean smelt]

here's an example. I figured the forge 50% shield health would take effect after one does the Armor core or skill tier shield tier. from the way Souless13 said 50% tier 1 shield to me would be if they only ran with forge and the other 5 cores are weapon damage kind of thing

[ruby bison]

You'd be right in that reguard. Cause i tried doing focused attempts
Damage i became a glass cannon
Tank i could walk into people and punch them just as much as i could shoot them
Tech put me in a weird spot where im hitting like a truck but its not me and im still getting cut in half

[bronze hound]

yeah dont try to do everything

wont ever work out

the more of everything you try to do, the worse youll be at those things

[cerulean smelt]

nods devs trying to get us to do a full on hybrid build when they introduced ninja bike backpack but i don't think i've seen many build videos on a hybrid build

[bronze hound]

because theres no good brands for it

[cerulean smelt]

giving up on a backpack talent really hurts our damage in general

[bronze hound]

we need powerful 3-piece bsb's

lost you saw that one bs i made up right

[cerulean smelt]

but had they went the "farm your ninja backpack until you get your selected talent on it" could've been a nice move

[cerulean smelt]

you mean the one with hotshot?

[bronze hound]

no the brand set i made up

[cerulean smelt]

hmm, i might've glossed over it. but i do remember the 3 items you made up of new perfect variants of stuff we don't have yet. like protector, energized and forgot the last one

[bronze hound]

i just blurted out like 6 or 7 named items yesterday

then went to bed

[ruby bison]

Should i be scrapping the junk items i have or keeping them for some reason or another.

[bronze hound]

`Brand set: Escalation Inc.

1/3: +10% protection from elites
2/3: +10% damage to elites
3/3: -10% oncoming damage
`

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, think i missed that one

[bronze hound]

for the last fucking time ITS NOT INCOMING

[tropic topaz]

what is oncoming damage? did you mean incoming damage?

sorry

[bronze hound]

I LITERALLY PULLED UP MERRIAM WEBBSTER TO PROVE THIS

[tropic topaz]

must've missed that
sorry i am extremely dumb

[bronze hound]

the definition is literally
coming nearer in time or space

the damage is physically coming. its space. its oncoming.

please dont try to correct me three times

anyways as i was saying

[bronze hound]

what do you think of it

[cerulean smelt]

eh, devs with thier infinite wisdom wouldn't make a set like that. but i coudl see them doing something similar but instead of oncoming damage to like 10% skill repair

or even worse. 10% defender drone blocking damage or something (> <)

[bronze hound]

randomly got invited to an incursion, wright fight, someone said dont use scorpio, proceeded to use scorpio, made the boss immune and nobody wiped

im outta there

[tulip charm]

Peak mm experience

[cerulean smelt]

roflmao!

[bronze hound]

for a 3 piece bsb its a huge sacrifice

[bronze hound]

not even matchmaking was a direct invite

[tulip charm]

Even worst

[woeful swift]

@bronze hound

[bronze hound]

doesnt mean its grammatically correct

also aint that the spreadsheet

[onyx sage]

it does say so in game too

in the pts anyway

[bronze hound]

i hold to this

considering i can back it up with proof

[woeful swift]

damage numbers do not take up physical space

oncoming bullets, oncoming missiles

[bronze hound]

what dictionary is that definition from

[woeful swift]

damage is not approaching in time or space

[bronze hound]

yes it is?

if it wasnt approaching in time then it wouldnt exist?

[woeful swift]

bullets are. damage is something that occurs

[bronze hound]

exists in time, yes

lmao?

if it didnt exist in time it wouldnt happen

[woeful swift]

incoming is just a blatantly better term to use for something that occurs instead of something that moves. and dictionary definitions aren't even the end-all-be-all for the actual use of a word. damage is not a physical object, it's what happens to an object. cars don't "happen" to the people they run over. calls don't "happen" to the people who receive them

and either way the difference is minute enough that it's not exactly shattering the english language in half

[tropic topaz]

is it incoming repairs or oncoming repairs in game btw?

[woeful swift]

incoming repairs

[bronze hound]

this all depends on the context of what we define damage as

[woeful swift]

no, it doesn't. if you shoot a bullet in the air, nothing gets damaged. bullets don't inherently count as damage

[bronze hound]

yes it does

i dont have the energy to argue semantics over this rn

[woeful swift]

a bullet is just a bullet until it encounters something else and causes damage to it

[tropic topaz]

why not just say -10% damage received then

or is it also grammatically incorrect

[woeful swift]

they're all just different ways of conveying the same meaning. it just depends where you want the action to be, either on the person receiving the damage or the weapon dealing the damage

[bronze hound]

+10% damage resistance

[tropic topaz]

sorry it even had to be brought up tbh:( if i knew the language better i wouldn't have annoyed Eevee

[cerulean smelt]

i doubt you're the one annoying eevee though. you're just asking genuine questions. it's Paxoniseki annoying eevee XD

[tropic topaz]

but i was the idiot who said "don't you mean incoming" twice

[woeful swift]

true

[fickle light]

wtf

[cerulean smelt]

like i stated i would've honestly thought eevee in their excitment typo'd teh o and i

[fickle light]

i leave for a bit and this happens

its incoming yeah, game already uses incoming and not oncoming, you can be wrong

[crimson niche]

Build for dark zone ( rouge )
Is good?

[cerulean smelt]

I don't pvp so couldn't say

[magic pilot]

Vigi and catharsis don't pair well

Switch to coyotes and run fox knees

If you keep catharsis run improvised over Walker

[crimson niche]

Over walker?

[astral kraken]

Improvised knee pads instead of walker knee pads

[crimson niche]

Why?!

[astral kraken]

Walker gives you 5% wpn dmg. Improvised gives you 12% CHD through a mod.

You should be running fox’s tho.

[crimson niche]

If I have 1.9 milion armor?

I put Uzina Getica for the knee
Maybe I can reach 2.0 armor

[magic pilot]

No not on that build

It's a dps loss due to losing crit chance

[magic pilot]

Improvised is best option

[crimson niche]

I think making a build in this game is harder to get a girlfriend

[magic pilot]

Or providence if you hit headshots

[magic pilot]

Definitely

[crimson niche]

Maybe I shoukd pick the division 1 instead of the sequel

[tulip charm]

💀

[crimson niche]

What?

[cerulean smelt]

i feel division 1 is harder build wise than division 2 honestly

[broken lion]

is chameleon that bad that you made that your name? thats one of the two exotic weapons Ive had drop Q_Q

[crimson niche]

Ooooooooh crap

[cerulean smelt]

well, it's an assult rifle disguised as a SMG

[crimson niche]

Im on ps4 so idk if I shoukd run with chatarsis build meta or something else