td2-build-advice

[hexed steppe]

Make sure your chc isnt way past the cap. That will tell you if you can squeeze more chd out of it

[tropic topaz]

it sits at 59.9 with all crit attachements AR i have ;( 60 is just Oreo in hands

[junior surge]

Are you using chc attachments, or chd?

[tropic topaz]

chc sadly

[junior surge]

What kind of build is it?

[tropic topaz]

a not really thought-out one
ceska mask, grupo holster, umbra initiative

[junior surge]

Gearset builds will often not have that much chd, because of the lack of a second minor attribute.

[hexed steppe]

whats your other weapon

[tropic topaz]

Born great.. i know there are better options out there but i kind of enjoy it

[hexed steppe]

and actually just post a top view screenshot

[tropic topaz]

a top view?

[hexed steppe]

if you have oreo build around that as top dps weapon

like this

[tropic topaz]

oh

it doesnt look anywere near as good :(

[hexed steppe]

it doesnt matter. it easier to advise if i know what youre working with

[hexed steppe]

is oreo 31% chc all together? 10%mod 21% attribute

[tropic topaz]

it's only 30.5

[hexed steppe]

fair enough. i just didnt want to figure the wrong chc

[hexed steppe]

ok so you can drop the ceska mask. and add coyote if you have it.

between umbra(15chc), oreo(31 chc max) , max watch(10chc), and 1 chc(6chc) rolls on coyote youll be sitting at 62% (caps at 60 obv). you would be able to have chd on all pieces and mods and could afford to roll weapon handling on the grupo with the chd.

if watch isnt maxed chc then have a 2nd chc roll on the grupo.

[tropic topaz]

thank you for your help, i just cant math properly :D

[bronze hound]

ye

[flint wave]

If ur running an AR and u try to minmax the ouro chc your secondary will be crit starved as hell

so commit to ouro if that's what ur gonna do cuz ur secondaries gonna be lacking

[tropic topaz]

as i said i had 59.9 on the ar :(

[round zinc]

ouro primary shotgun secondary i guess

like if you use a smg and you build around it,your secondary weapon is always gonna be inherently weaker

so using shotguns that have massive raw stopping power should work

also shotguns are like the only thing that can rival ouro dps

and thats assuming that you're in range

[blissful rampart]

AR or Rifle still fine, for those times you need longer reach then Oreo

also they get that coyotes long buff in those instances.

[livid horizon]

I went ceska with coyotes and Strikers to help combat this

[cyan drift]

hey, claws out is fun

unironically kind of alright in PVP

though most people just hurr durr picaro

[livid horizon]

Only issue with that is range. Why switch from Oreo if you're close. I went with a c7 AR for when stuff is too far away

[green pumice]

no need more dmg.

[blissful rampart]

fyi the min max oreo strikers is still ceska + coyotes (if after full crit) so boosts your AR as well.

dodge city always great too for nearly all builds 😄 , Pocket nuke FTW

[hollow pasture]

I use it with the orbit

[round zinc]

yea orbit easily fix all your crit problem

[tawdry flare]

Orbit outperform all coyote buff combined

[hexed steppe]

That's the idea. Commit to oreo for big damage. Secondary isnt really good anyways. M1a would probably be a better secondary. As azur said itll proc long buff if using at range

[blissful rampart]

Orbit not as reliable as coyotes 😛 so dont count on its chc buff, only its chd buff as an extra

[hollow pasture]

Yea it's not about relying on orbit
It's more for when you need that chd buff for more important targets

[round zinc]

nothing better than the FuckSpecificallyThatGuy3000

[hollow pasture]

The one purple bar running for his life as I hunt him with my pocket nuke

[round zinc]

inb4 somehow you miss

[dreamy valve]

Isn’t Orbit a pistol slot trap

[round zinc]

why would it be

what else are you using there anyway

regulus dont go with ouro

[hollow pasture]

Not a trap
It's there to buff ur main weapon

That's 40% chd lol on top of what you have

Too good to pass up on

[round zinc]

i really dont know who told you orbit is bait tbh

though i mean i consider tdi kard to be bait so idk

[dreamy valve]

I use sledgehammers nowadays and just kill with my main weapon

[trail plaza]

would skill-rolled True Patriot work instead of FI for healer?

[urban latch]

It's just objectively worse

[vestal ibex]

If you HF HH and kill someone with a regulus headshot within the HF disorient range while wearing creeping death what status usually gets the creeping death spread? Bleed or disorient?

[onyx sage]

i think @magic pilot tested this a while back

iirc it's the bleed that happens first, but don't quote me on that

[hexed steppe]

Sounds like a waste of damage potential using creeping

[vestal ibex]

Ahh yes alpha damage waste. I kid I kid but you know what I mean.

[flint wave]

just use hunter fury bag at that point

[vestal ibex]

I'll just go grey gear.

[severe wasp]

Am I missing something with this pvp build ? I used to be quite strong but now i cannot even win 50% of 1v1 duels. I mean it's well know that there are a lot of cheaters but man i cannot compete. With this build I have 1.6 mill armor, 2 skill core for better def drone and shield, 60% crit chance, 130% crit hit dmg and 100% pulse res so I can't be detected as well has unbreackable for the chest and armror dmg from contractor's gloves

[vestal ibex]

Do they all have the ouro?

If they do have the oreo they gonna double stuff you.

[severe wasp]

@vestal ibex ye the ouro is too strong I can't deal with it. But I wanted a balanced build with armor, dmg and some skill tiers so I went with this one

[stiff jasper]

Honestly, you haven't show me things about "you used to be quite strong", a lot of thing are meaningless and it is not logic that "strong people " have

[severe wasp]

@stiff jasper I mean winning games with a kda of 15/0 is (imo) pretty strong

Now I can't do this anymore

[stiff jasper]

I can also killing noob with 100 win rate
If you win noob to explain you used to be strong, that is pointless

[severe wasp]

Why is there always someone who needs to be butthurt ?? I'm just asking for ways to improve my build in pvp

[stiff jasper]

well lets get back to you build, the build which you posted, have tons of problem

[flint wave]

ninjabike lmao

this build already has an irreversible flaw

[stiff jasper]

first, biggest problem, you use ninja

[blissful rampart]

Oreo is super strong, and Ninja bike is holding you back. Its just not strong enough for what you lose (exotic slot, backpack talent and 2 stats).

[stiff jasper]

i see you want pulse resistance, then? you use fernis and contract, which both of them second piece are useless

[blissful rampart]

not sure if you are lacking chc in that build but if you are, then contractors is a dps loss as well. (ie dont lose chd for any chc rolls)

[stiff jasper]

means you loss talent and brands, just for the pulse resistance, which you can use 3 yaahl and waste nothing

second, shield and tech spec for what? they don't give any benefit for you with that build

[stiff jasper]

i thing it's not a problem since he use elmo and providence and he atleast have 40 without attribute, key is he loss brand and talent

[blissful rampart]

i mean still a dps loss if what i said is happening

[stiff jasper]

read those 2 point and think about it, do you actually "strong" as you think

[forest forum]

Is memento no good like ninijabike?

[stiff jasper]

ninja is 1/100, then memento is 5/100 (pvp)

[blissful rampart]

Memento is super strong for pve but falls off for pvp

memento talent is actually strong (at least for pve)

[severe wasp]

Real question, why do you people think the ninjabike is bad ? It gives me +10% crit chance from the providence mask (so +15% headshot dmg and +10% chc), lots of weapon handling from contractor's glove and Fenris chest so +30% reload speed (more dps) and more accurate weapons and unlock the +40% pulse res bonus from Yhaal gear as well as giving me weapon dmg, 170k armor, and an additionnal skill core which grants me more survivability from the def drone and shield

[forest forum]

Oh okay thx. I have it saved.

[forest forum]

I don't mean to say its bad, I'm referring to the flaws that were discussed.

[stiff jasper]

because you lost chc, chd, and most important thing that cant compensate by status --- talent

[forest forum]

I personally like the look better so i was* meaning to track it

[blissful rampart]

TLDR: Re ninja bag
---the extra brand stats gained from Ninja bag are mostly QOL stuff (IE reload speed, handling, dont impact burst dps)
---and the extra few damage stats you can possibly gain do not outweigh the loss of a backpack talent and or ability to use say fox, coyotes (which is a separate multiplier).
---you can also have more defense and dps if you run a normal backpack (say ad rush) roll it blue or yellow core (to keep the core split you gain from ninja bag) and use say coyotes, fox.

[severe wasp]

@stiff jasper whithout it I have 50% crit chance and 120% crit dmg which is still ok, maybe not on the chd side

[urban latch]

It's not that you get nothing from it, it's that you give up far more jn order to run it

[severe wasp]

Ok, I'm working on a new build, will share it later

[blissful rampart]

bottom line is Ninja bag is sadly not balanced correctly and is weak compared to using a different backpack.

[stiff jasper]

i expect the next build that you post, at least it don't have many bad logic/ build sense with it, don't tell me you strong with trash build

😉

[severe wasp]

@stiff jasper I'd like to see your pvp stats from such a big mouth

[blissful rampart]

easy there guys

[severe wasp]

@blissful rampart dude was already mad when I first asked my question..

[vestal ibex]

Should have gotten an increase on the next stat unlocked.

[blissful rampart]

i saw just saying now though.

[severe wasp]

I blocked him so I won't be bothered. I'm asking for help and dude is saying I'm trash in pvp

so no escalation

[stiff jasper]

whatever u blocked me or not, your build are actually trash, so i cant believe about "you pvp strong"

[blissful rampart]

@stiff jasper dude chill

[vestal ibex]

Yikes

[severe wasp]

Here, this might be better (not against players with 100% pulse res tho). Without Coyotes mask bonuses I have 50% crit chance and 166% crit dmg. Still have 1.4 mill armor so it's alright allowing me some balance with weapon dmg. +35% dmg to pulsed target from chest and weapon talents as well armor dmg and dmg to target out of cover from contractors and fox's prayer

Decided to add a shotgun for more close range efficiency

[forest forum]

Any1 know why there's only 5 slots for these when there's a lot different kneepads? Trying to figure out how to lvl up my proficient for gears but don't really have a whole lot of them in slots so i definitely need to add more if possible.

[manic bear]

if i'm running 4pc striker and an obliterate chest will i notice much if i drop 2/3 red for blues? feeling really squishy in challenging pve right now

[stiff jasper]

properly you blocked me so you cant read this, but i still reply your build to guide other people which seeing this build:

meaningless with using adrush, perfect spotter ( normal spotter with fernis is ok)

[severe wasp]

Ok I switched the shotgun with a significanlty better one

[blissful rampart]

Since lacking crit, fenris will out dps contractors. Also for coyotes in pvp, you are more likey to have short buff then mid buff, so account more for that.

Other then that, seems like a decent build.

[magic pilot]

Disorient, I just checked my old messages

[blissful rampart]

Normal spotter and perfect spotter on better brand are close in terms of dps so doesn't matter much there.

[magic pilot]

Also picaros is the best of the 3 in pvp

[blissful rampart]

Also there's 2 great pvp guides in the spreadsheet too, I'd give that a look ^^

[magic pilot]

I'm about to test regulus HF and creeping death again to confirm @vestal ibex @onyx sage

[blissful rampart]

Here's the thing, blue cores alone don't make you tanky, biggest impacts are Memento, shield, smart play, and gunner, preservation.

Any of these give you a decent bump to defense with the least dps loss.

[forest forum]

Are you supposed to be able to donate your gears in same way your weapons? Because its not letting me for the ones i do have in slots.

[stiff jasper]

for his case, 4.3% and 5.6% increase, ofcourse it not differ a lot, but you definitely want builds better if you can better on it, in pvp

[manic bear]

tbh i'm pretty sure it's just a skill issue on my part cause im new, but whever i try to trade or go out with a shield my armor just gets destroyed in like 2-3 seconds

and then if i get cc'd by something i die to that afterwards

[severe wasp]

Now I have this one: 60% crit chance and 160% crit dmg for all weapons, regular spotter on a fenris chest but +10% AR dmg and decided to go with a Gila guard mask with armor, chc and chd, now I have nearly 1.6 mill armor

[strong jungle]

I'm SHD level 539, with expertise level 15, once I get my gear upgraded - will this be half decent for PvP dark zone?

[severe wasp]

Switched the pistol for +14 Regulus

[forest forum]

I don't mean to be rude, but can i plz be helped. 🙏

[stiff jasper]

may i use vpn to hunting, which he posting his IGN and he is pc player🤔 🤣

[magic pilot]

Picaros holster and ceska mask might give more dps

[magic pilot]

Disorient is consistently being the one that transfers with creeping

[vestal ibex]

I mean I don't care too much but I was just wondering cause ADHD...

[magic pilot]

Lol just tested it

[vestal ibex]

I seen it!

[magic pilot]

Also I can confirm collector and iron lung drop from exotic crates

[blissful rampart]

pfft that was already known 😛

[magic pilot]

Was it tho🤣

[blissful rampart]

check the sheet 😛

[magic pilot]

You know how new exotics are sometimes

Catharsis was bugged for like 8 months

[blissful rampart]

new exotics are always in the exo cache, what changes is whether or not you need to own the BP 1st or not.

[magic pilot]

Ahhh

[blissful rampart]

eh carth was in exo caches but required owning the BP, but the BP was bugged and you could NOT get it from that bp chick after season for a while, (also had a TL bug too for it) but it was in Exo caches 😛

[hollow pasture]

Yea catharsis was the most buggy of new season exotics

Was like everyone coming in and complaining about how to get it

[forest forum]

I guess nobody knows lol certainly don't expect some1 to have all the answers no matter how long they played this game. Could just be tech issue. Thx anyway.

[hollow pasture]

Is the gear already proficient by chance

If you don't see a number next to it it's proficient FYI

[blissful rampart]

sorry just saw. dontating is the exact same for all gear. still requires them not being marked as favorite and if you cant donate something, you might already have it maxed proficiency .

[magic pilot]

Yes lmao

[forest forum]

No they're aren't. I do have some but not trying to donate them. Gonna try see how to report it. Might be a bug though..

[hollow pasture]

Send a screenshot

[severe wasp]

Tried my new build in some conflict matches, I'm happy with it, it's way better than before, did plenty of kills

[stiff jasper]

@magic pilot have you try or hearing about collector firewall grenade

[severe wasp]

I may change the backpack

[magic pilot]

Yea I have, been using it on extraction in countdown

It one shots elites at full health

Haven't tried in pvp yet mostly because I don't want it to become a normal thing lmao

[forest forum]

I had DH for mask but wouldn't let me donate it

[stiff jasper]

My record are 2.5m damage with 1 small nades

[hollow pasture]

That's a named item so you need more of the named items to donate

The brand doesn't matter when it comes to named gear pieces

It has to be the named version

[forest forum]

I gotta get so many first?

[hollow pasture]

Yes
Ur in luck
It's on sale at the countdown vendor
So you can buy a bunch and donate them like that

[forest forum]

It always show two zero in top left as if i have none and i have several tho

That's why I'm thinking tech issue

[blissful rampart]

also iirc that research window has a scroll bar (ie scroll down)

[magic pilot]

I think in countdown I saw 4m but I have no idea lol

[hollow pasture]

If you click on punch drunk does none other punch drunks show up

[magic pilot]

I might have clipped it

[forest forum]

Ohhhhh dudeeee!! No way! Now i get wym by named item! Its a different DH! The heck. I hate having adhd i don't read everything. Omg. That's on me. Thx guys for helping tho, for real i mean it.

[stiff jasper]

I does have some idea about how it bugged so much damage, but it's hard to test and calculate so I don't sure

[hollow pasture]

Yes
Named items need their named version to be donated
Not the brand it belongs to

[magic pilot]

I think it's calculating the total dmg of each grenade and adding them together as one source of grenade

[hollow pasture]

So if you get D&H mask you can't donate it to get punch drunk proficient

[magic pilot]

So if it has 6 clusters and they each do 500k and an enemy is getting hit by one of them it's still adding together all the dmg from each cluster

[severe wasp]

@forest forum It might be a bit boring but if you farm countdown a lot you will easily get all your expertise levels

[forest forum]

I did not know that. I will def do that now.

[hollow pasture]

Yea countdown is by far the best to lvl up expertise

[severe wasp]

@forest forum and if you keep a lot of currency for each vendor reset you can use them to buy 20 times the named item you want max expertise on

[stiff jasper]

Yes but more issue to cause that damage

[astral kraken]

Isn’t expertise based on XP gain?

[forest forum]

I feel crazy silly 🤪 but man i am glad its not a tech issue really i love this game.

[hexed steppe]

thats actually the cheapest way outside of farming 👆

[severe wasp]

@astral kraken yes you farm one type of item / brand and give everything

[hexed steppe]

xp and donation

[astral kraken]

You could do that in OW too but gain much more XP.

[hexed steppe]

ideally for expertise you want to start with weapons since its the biggest caregory and all the brand and gear stuff still drops

[astral kraken]

Like make a whole build of what you’re not proficient in.

[hollow pasture]

Me using 6 pieces of rigger in countdown

[hexed steppe]

its quicker to farm /buy/craft and use a good build so you can maximize shd gain at same time

[hexed steppe]

make sure to bring a stinger hive.. lootcifer loves that 😈

[stiff jasper]

Damage are bugged after first time throwing
Also it is rare for every small nade hits
So I guess there some objective after first explosive are not deleted so it still count and stacking damage
But hard to test

[hollow pasture]

I'll place it right in the middle of my teammates

It should be safe there

[hexed steppe]

you're gonna have the best RNG after that 🤣 🍻

[forest forum]

Awesome, thx so much. There's just so so much more to this game than i realized. Can't believe I'm in 1200s SHD and now just learning this smh...

[hollow pasture]

If only the sacrum was still bugged so I could set my team on fire
On fire and bleeding all over the place

[forest forum]

Thx i def will.

[raw moat]

is ninja messenger bag worth it in any builds?

[hexed steppe]

not really

[raw moat]

didn't think so

[blissful rampart]

sadly nope

[hexed steppe]

its usable but its always a downgrade

[hollow pasture]

The most use I had out of it was strikers umbra

That's it really

[raw moat]

I feel like if it were a holster or gloves, it'd be an upgrade

[blissful rampart]

even then its a downgrade 😛

[hollow pasture]

You and everyone else

Making it a holster would make it basically a no brainer tbh

[raw moat]

true

[hollow pasture]

In Alot of situations

[hexed steppe]

you can kinda get away with doing some hybrid type stuff with memento

[blissful rampart]

Re ninja bag: dont change any of its stats, just make it a holster (ie like a drop bag) and its a good exotic, not broken op but at least good now

[hollow pasture]

Yea

[urban latch]

That would probably be a bit op lol

[raw moat]

I'm literally missing one stat on my chest piece and it hurts

[hollow pasture]

They will never change it from BP tbh this is just fantasy
We know how the devs are

[blissful rampart]

nah, means cant use DCH 😛 😭

[flint wave]

dch🛌

[hollow pasture]

Heresy

Take that back

[forest forum]

What is dch?

[hollow pasture]

Dodge city holster

[severe wasp]

@forest forum If you have multiple characters I suggest you farm weapon / armor / skill mods, use your shd points for the ressource when dismantling mods . It only require 30 of them when upgrading expertise levels, the lowest of all ressources types

[hollow pasture]

An exotic holster

[forest forum]

Wow i did not know that. That is cool.

[unreal moon]

I'm building a basic striker solo build, what should I be slotting in?

[forest forum]

Oh okay .. thx!

[unreal moon]

Well not fully solo, I'll still matchmake occasionally

[sullen sun]

Fox’s prayer kneepads, Striker chest

[onyx sage]

ceska obliterate chest + coyote, don't run fox

[dense lynx]

Solo ditch the coyote, rock fox prayer knees and contractors gloves swap the gloves for bloody knuckles for bosses an perk sledgehammer with the lefty

Crazy dps

[fervent wasp]

Just get this together today not done but anything specific i should do?

[forest forum]

Just did countdown and look, finally can donate something lol. Thx guys.

[urban latch]

Short answer, lose ninjabike for a strikers backpack

Long answer: Strikers guide

[forest forum]

Not sure if any1 can explain the math for striker backpack, but is there a limit on how many per* stacks gained? Been trying to understand why its good since its suggested often.

[rich cosmos]

What?

My man what math is there it’s addition and subtraction

[blissful rampart]

☝️

[forest forum]

It show a % so

You tell me

If its not hard

[blissful rampart]

Backpack changes damage per stack from .65 to 1% instead

So if you have 100 stacks it's a 100% damage boost

[rich cosmos]

^

[forest forum]

The limit sounds complicated since you lose 1 per second yet the rest in red is confusing since i don't know how to read that. So its those tricky math i never got. Surely be nice if some1 would simplify that if they can. I'm really just trying to understand things better since I overlooked so much. But I'll back off on the questions tho.

[leaden spade]

Alright after playing for a bit (4 hours) ive learned my aim is alright but not great. Would it be better to swing for a support/tank playstyle? I play mostly solo but any time people call for backup i pop in and try to take space

[ionic frost]

Is it 24 hours for the box to reset for ouro?

[blissful rampart]

Nah buddy questions are alright, ask away!

But tldr you gain stacks way faster then you lose them. And shotgun pellets each count as 1 (so 8 per blast). This makes the ACS shotty king for stacking.

So really dont need to factor in decay really

[rich cosmos]

Every second you aren’t shooting the enemy and gaining stacks you are losing your stacks, once you go past 50 stacks it goes away quicker until its back at 50 stacks

[cerulean smelt]

now imagine how confused you'd be when the extra text that's been erased was below that. something like "every shot missed decreased your stacks by 2(i think?)" so it was nearly impossible to keep 100 stacks because the stack loss plus missing shots hurt pretty badly

[gentle lichen]

Div 1 was exactly like this

The non-classified version anyway

[cerulean smelt]

still is isn't it?

[gentle lichen]

Yeah but classified your shots give you 2 stacks

And 1 is lost every second and when you miss

So up-keeping it is easier

[cerulean smelt]

if only we can mimic the div 1 striker

[delicate laurel]

Bring back the memories

[cerulean smelt]

i've tried and nothing i do can make it work well 🙍‍♂️

[delicate laurel]

Oof F in chat

[forest forum]

Appreciate it. Some1 dm for info so no worries.

[noble dirge]

Building an Exuro set, but need an exotic. Imperial Dynasty or Acosta's Go bag?

[cerulean smelt]

i say try both out and see which one suits your playstyle. got a friend who loves the imperial dynasty because of the "things get close gets set on fire" but to me it's a terrible exotic in general. acosta go bag i have a build in mind for it but for now i'm still trying to figure it out

basically thinking of acosta go bag + Carpenter maybe or simply go with another brand and have mad bomber on it

[noble dirge]

I tried ID, and it made it easier to set off the Firestarter shells that I usually drop in tandem with the Exuro turret, but again, the exotic's use is limited.

[cerulean smelt]

if anything, you can also try Collector Chest with it and see how it fairs in your exuro build

[noble dirge]

I tried, but it didn't mesh well.

[gentle lichen]

Does the exuro bag have an opportunistic effect on enemy caught by the turret's fire?

[cerulean smelt]

nope, it increases the turret's range

[gentle lichen]

It also increases something by 25%

[cerulean smelt]

the chest makes it so whatever is caught on fire by turret spreads by 2 Meters

[gentle lichen]

Backpack (Heatstroke): Enemies set on fire by the Ortiz turret take 25% bonus weapon damage. The turret gets a bonus 25% range.

So it's only weapon damage and doesn't affect how much damage your other skill might do to the burned enemies?

[cerulean smelt]

basically

[gentle lichen]

Shame

Thought it worked like the eclipse bag

[cerulean smelt]

nope, just all i remembered was the turret's range

but i believe your teammates would be doign 25% extra damage as long as they were set on fire by your turret

i once tried to do a ninja bag + 3 Piece EP and 2 PC Exuro just to see how it'd react and wasn't impressed

[delicate laurel]

Worst build you guys can think of go

[noble dirge]

Mismatched gear sets accompanied with Imperial Dynasty and Motherly Love

[hollow pasture]

What does motherly love have again
I completely forgot

[noble dirge]

+10% Skill Health

[hollow pasture]

Lmaoooooo

OK yea that's hard to beat

[noble dirge]

Pair this with Scanner Pulse and EMP sticky bomb.

Last but not least, equip Sleigher, Oh Carol and Liberty.

Now go to an invaded DZ or Legendary Stronghold.

[tawdry flare]

Is that a koikatsu character pfp

[noble dirge]

Yes.

[tawdry flare]

Nice

[noble dirge]

💝

[untold hearth]

Thoughts so far?, preferably for PVE like raids, incursion, legendary. I tried it in summit today, it works good but my random teammates were on something putting like 10 directives ☠️

[magic pilot]

Ceska chest

[fallen comet]

and elmo i guess

[astral kraken]

you might struggle a bit in legendary unless you shield peek and if you shield peek you might as well use a focus build

a couple blue cores (maybe even 3) goes a long way for leg. it makes you and your shield stronger. all red they'll crack your shield and your face in like 2 seconds

striker stacks will dish out enough dps anyways

[flint wave]

in solo memento goes a longer way

[astral kraken]

agreed

[astral kraken]

btw ND is much better gearset for legendary imo. striker isnt bad but it does require you continuously apply damage which can be hard to do on legendary since the AI is quick to focus you and they hit hard.

whereas with ND you can target drone operators, minitanks, etc. and for those chunga waves where they push you in groups of 2-3 you can apply a lot of damage to all of them at once.

[vestal ibex]

If steer away from hybrid stuff I'd your goal is a pure strikers build. Elmo isn't better than famas and Scorpio is a super strong exotic to have here. Ceska brand is the best DPS uplift you'll see. Might wanna have a striker chest and ceska Minor part for incursion and content you can get 200 stacks easily in too.

[untold hearth]

@magic pilot @fallen comet @astral kraken @flint wave @vestal ibex

Noted from you all.

1. I most likely might have a Cheska chest, but if I'ma use a Striker chest, I'll replace the gloves.

2. Sadly don't have Elmo yet.

3. Funny thing I did shield peek with this but only thing so far in legendary summit was the random teams having like 10 directives ☠️.

4. I do have Momento but I only made an old True patriot build with it I don't use any more. So I'm up for suggestions with that.

5. What's ND? Lol

6. Overall I was recommended like the other day making this for PVE, I've had the famas for a while cuz of PVP, the Scorpio has always been a help, overall again I got Cheska forsure to replace the gloves and use a Striker chest.

So thanks to you all (even tho I'm unfortunately at work lol). 👌🏻

P.S. Doing what I gotta do for my first incursion and raids lol

[fallen comet]

5. Negotiator's Dillema

[devout iris]

What build goes good with ouroboros cause I finally got it

[hexed steppe]

should try vile mask or acostas, id holster is weak af. not sure if you know but those firestarter chems can be ignited by double clicking that skills button. you dont have to shoot cloud or use other ways to ignite

[livid horizon]

any. that thing is crazy

[devout iris]

Ah I see

[tawdry flare]

Build is not meta cause you are not using sleigher

[round zinc]

Does collector let you cook your grenade?

[tawdry flare]

Nope

[tight isle]

So can I get the st elmos from countdown even if I don’t got the bp ? Be farming all day and still no luck

[hexed steppe]

Yes. Ar target. Possible drops and buy exo caches

[crimson niche]

NOT AGAIN

[noble dirge]

Settled with Acostas and Scalpel

[urban latch]

What are you trying for?

[green pumice]

what am i looking at🧐

[severe wasp]

Hi, have you guys tested dps with strained and optimist talents ? Is strained good with 60 crit chance and a weapon with a big mag or is optimist still the way to go ?

[hexed steppe]

Strained when running red cores, optimist when running more armor cores

[severe wasp]

@hexed steppe but won't you do more damage if you use strained + 60 crit hit chance and full blue cores than if you use optimist (again with full blue cores) on a low base dmg weapon ?

[hexed steppe]

I'm sure both will work on blue cores. But from what I understand when you dont have a lot of wd optimist will have more impact.
I dont have any of the numbers to back it up, but I'm sure someone around will be able to put a finer point on it.

[severe wasp]

Ok, i need to test it

[untold hearth]

Before

After

A switch, at least before I get myself into incursion, thoughts? Should I maybe change a piece or two into a Blue Core?

[urban latch]

Nope, stay all red

[untold hearth]

And dumb question, but what if I used bullet king instead of Scorpio lol

[untold hearth]

So all red, gotcha

[hexed steppe]

Acs or lefty probably for stacking. If for incursion I think Scorpio still bugging out one of the bosses

[untold hearth]

Ok not aware of that for Scorpio lol, but what's an Acs and why a Lefty if I need a grenade often? 🤔

[hexed steppe]

Acs is an auto shotgun. Really fast stack. Lefty is same but with sledge for utility if needed

[vestal ibex]

Perfect sledge is a debuff to enemies caught in the grenade, it's 40% extra damage to armor and some move speed. It's HUGE

[untold hearth]

Ah I have an Acs with optimist lol

[untold hearth]

Ok I'm grabbing it LMAO.

[untold hearth]

As for my original question no Bullet king? Lol or a blue screen maybe.

[vapid kite]

Would it be better to run Hard wired armor for the 10s cooldown on feedback loop or run caesar's guard with the full 20s cooldown?

[hexed steppe]

Ig elmos as well is

[untold hearth]

Still don't have that AR unfortunately

[vestal ibex]

For a pure strikers build for lego/raid/incursion naw. Messing around in heroic have at it.

[severe wasp]

Just did some tests in the firing range on invincible elites target: used a build with 6 armor cores, 60 chc and 117% chd, (no dmg, fire rate, chc and chd from brand bonuses and talents). Went with a high end socom mk16 AR with 10% dmg to targets out of cover. With Optimist I went up to 2 600 000 dps and 363 000 highest dmg / and with strained, 2 520 000 dps and 350 000 highest dmg. Did multiple tests and results were consistent. So yes Optimist does a liitle more dmg than strained

[vestal ibex]

Rip Shooting range dps is junk and not reliable. Check your numbers and plug them into the dps calc pinned.

[severe wasp]

@vestal ibex where is it pinned ?

[untold hearth]

Alright noted lol

[onyx sage]

you also have 6 blue, so optimist will win, but the more reds and expertise bonus you have, the more optimist loses value and strained wins

[vestal ibex]

It right dar

[severe wasp]

@onyx sage and with 3 red cores and 3 blue cores which is better ?

[onyx sage]

also pinned here in this channel

[onyx sage]

do you have maxed weapon damage everywhere you can make it?

[severe wasp]

@onyx sage yes

[hexed steppe]

If seeker spam go for the hw backpack and put glass on chest. Just need a reliable skill for procing feedback loop

[untold hearth]

What's a god roll on a Lefty???

[tawdry flare]

Dttoc on everything

[hexed steppe]

All lefty are godrolled 😎

[vapid kite]

noted, im running sniper turret so my loop rn is throwing cluster, waiting for cooldown to appear then placing the turret

[green pumice]

swap speed imo

[untold hearth]

Had a feeling now I'ma slap that on lol

[hexed steppe]

Yeah that's solid. If you run demo the arty turret is nice as well

[tawdry flare]

All named weapons are God rolled cause two states are fixed for weapon you need 1 to your liking

[hexed steppe]

White death?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah that one

[vapid kite]

so ive heard, im running technician currently for the skill dmg and free skill tier for the capacitor

[onyx sage]

so your awd multiplier should be equal to 2 with optimist average buff and 1.85 without, optimist would give 1.081 equivalent multiplier (8% dps increase) on average,

while strained on that build (i'm guessing striker since you have low crit) gives on average 28.4375% crit damage with striker's rpm buff factored in, but 1.10025 equivalent multiplier (10% dps increase) on average

so strained wins on 3 blue here

[tawdry flare]

Otherwise all named weapons are god roll cause out of 4 3 are fixed

[onyx sage]

read above

[green pumice]

🤓

[onyx sage]

also this is with 0 expertise, if you do have expertise the optimist equivalent multiplier would be even lower

[severe wasp]

@onyx sage thanks a lot, and obviously if have a lot of chd (198% on another build) and 60 chc strained will be super strong

[onyx sage]

no, the more chd you have, the less value strained will bring

[severe wasp]

oh ok I didn't knew that

[tawdry flare]

Same with optimist

You are increasing amp in one category only

[green pumice]

fast hands bis

[tawdry flare]

It is good no doubt lol but strained is also up there with it

[onyx sage]

think of this way right, optimist gives awd (all weapon damage), which is sum of red core bonus + expertise + most bonuses that say "weapon damage", the more of it you have, the less impact you will get when you get more, so optimist isn't the best choice,

but same goes for strained, if you have too much chd, you get less value out of strained, since strained also gives chd

[tawdry flare]

Except on nego build where the more chd you have the better assuming close to 60% CHC

[severe wasp]

ok so you want some balance between not too much weapon dmg and not too much chd

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[onyx sage]

you set up your build with your desired red/blue core ratio, and then you decide what buffs/talents to use

that's when these sorts of calculations happen

[green pumice]

all red

[onyx sage]

if you have low enough red cores, optimist will be better

[tawdry flare]

Go strained or fast hands than

[severe wasp]

On pve all red cores I use Spotter talent + Flatline

[tawdry flare]

Also the golden rule of building 1pcs ceska is pretty much the goto

[onyx sage]

you can get a little more out of obliterate than spotter

[tawdry flare]

Are you using heartbreaker?

[green pumice]

[onyx sage]

i got you 😉

[tawdry flare]

Ouro oros is broken lol

[hexed steppe]

quick question. are you running 6 skilltiers on your gear or is there a red/blue core that requires tech to make your 6th skill tier

[severe wasp]

@tawdry flare no I'm using this build : using the linked laser pointer attachment to pulse targets, Spotter + Flatline and 3 named items the gift backpack, Fox's kneepads and Contractor's gloves. I have 60% chc and 160% chd

[tawdry flare]

Put on a groupo chest pcs instead of fenris cause fenris affect only the ar DMG not your other weapon

Or another providence pcs

[vapid kite]

currently ive got 6 skill tiers on my gear, gonna swap one once i actually unlock the free tier from technican

[severe wasp]

I have the fox's kneepads for rifle dmg as well

[hexed steppe]

ok perfect 👍

[severe wasp]

But I have a GS chest with the same stats and talents as my Fenris one. I can replace it with the gs one

[green pumice]

yeah it is.

[vapid kite]

before any of that though im trying to get the waveform

[tawdry flare]

Honestly obliterate or pgc will give you more dmg

And with Providence bonus you can gain +15% chd

[severe wasp]

@tawdry flare I know I'll get more dmg from obliterate but I find spotter to be more consistent

[tawdry flare]

If you want consistency use perfect glass Cannon

[hexed steppe]

spotter/flatline is a nice combo

[tawdry flare]

For more dmg

[onyx sage]

not the point lol

spotter is a safe buff that has no downsides

[severe wasp]

@tawdry flare Hell no I'm done with the Sacrifice, used to play a lot with it but since I traded some dmg for more survivability I enjoy the game a lot more

[tawdry flare]

No worries

You can farm all red perfect spotter

[tawdry flare]

It's not hc

[onyx sage]

imagine tryharding like you

[tawdry flare]

And he is not playing close range

[untold hearth]

Alright hear me out before y'all might cringe 🤣 lol. Due to what was before and after. I found a cheska holster and made it more better, what y'all think? Am I prepared for incursion and raids lol??

[onyx sage]

looks solid to me

[untold hearth]

It's 6am so help my soul lol

[severe wasp]

Now this should be better : switched the Fenris chest with a providence one (unlock the 3rd brand bonus) and obliterate talent

[untold hearth]

The lmg is Good Times, I feel like this would work ya think? Bit more damage then my famas

[tawdry flare]

Or you can change chest to Providence with spotter and get coyote mask

You are 54chc and dump rest to chd

[severe wasp]

I'm already at 60% chc from brand bonuses and stats

[hexed steppe]

youre over crit with the ceska

[onyx sage]

yeah but the reason people run famas is for shield synergy and higher burst dps, good times gives higher damage numbers but way lower dps

[tawdry flare]

Remove 1chc mod

[severe wasp]

@hexed steppe No I have chd and not chc on my Fox's kneepads

[onyx sage]

that still means you're overcapping

[tawdry flare]

Well 6*4+10+20 =54 perfect for use with coyote

[severe wasp]

I have 50% without the ceska piece

[onyx sage]

it's an understandable thing because that tends to happen with high end

[untold hearth]

Oh fuck I forgot I have the shield LMAO 🤣, it's 6am for me. I need to sleep I been building this shit for an hour thinking asking y'all questions LOL

[hexed steppe]

10 watch, 10 gun, 10 prov, secondary rolls on mask/chest/gloveholster/bag 24% ..should be at 54% without the ceska

[severe wasp]

I'm litteraly at 50 if I switch my ceska piece

[tawdry flare]

You are using mods

[hexed steppe]

what rolls do you have that are not crit

hsd or handling rolls

[tawdry flare]

6% mod and you get to 60

[severe wasp]

10 shd + 10 providence + 10 ceska + 30 from red stats

[azure kelp]

Can someone help me on a good beginner build ?

[severe wasp]

all my mods are +12% chd

[hexed steppe]

chc on weapon?

[severe wasp]

and I don't use crit attachment nor crit chance stat on my weapons

[onyx sage]

you should be, they're the highest value

[hexed steppe]

yeah thats where your low

[tawdry flare]

10% on weapon you are at 64

[onyx sage]

2 or 3 5% chc mods on gun are assumed to be on by default

[hexed steppe]

chc attachments and you can put grupo for ceska

[livid horizon]

say whhhaaaaaat

[hexed steppe]

its gonna be 10 with flatline

[tawdry flare]

You are not using ideal pcs than

[hollow pasture]

Any use for it?
Was going through my stash and saw I had this

[onyx sage]

no

[severe wasp]

@tawdry flare why ? I don't need crit on my Fox's kneepads I'm already at 60% so I switched it with +12% chd

[onyx sage]

the gear pieces should be fine but getting chc on gun is the important change here

[tawdry flare]

I never said you need chc

[onyx sage]

because that means you can get more chd brands

[tawdry flare]

24+10+10+10+10 on gun =64

[severe wasp]

my bad you were talking about the weapon attachments

[onyx sage]

he said "pieces" in an abstract sense, isn't limited to just gear pieces

[untold hearth]

I need sleep it's 6am, thanks y'all 💤

[tawdry flare]

Good night 💤

[severe wasp]

I'd rather have weapon handling attachments on my weapons (accuracy, stability) that's why I went with chc only coming from my gear pieces

[onyx sage]

and again, those would still be suboptimal because getting weapon handling rolls on gear is more value

on gun, chc mods have the highest value

[tawdry flare]

8% on gear vs 5% on mod

[onyx sage]

you can get weapon handling on your gear instead and it would still be better

[tawdry flare]

You can swap 1 pcs to handling on gear and if you have everything right you are at 58chc

[severe wasp]

I always use the +20% stability and - 10% optimal range silencer + the acog sight +30 optimal range to compensate. I really like these 2. allows to have low recoil and keep some dmg in range

[onyx sage]

20% stability can really be traded off with 16% weapon handling which would give 16% acc + 16% stab tbh, and you get no debuff on optimal range

[severe wasp]

true

[onyx sage]

your scope can still remain acog

but yeah gun mods aren't really balanced, chc mods are always the best picks if your build is crit-reliant

[old pike]

I am currently filling out my recal library. Should i keep this mask instead of pulling something off it?

[severe wasp]

Well it gives food for thought, need to do some tinkering then

[onyx sage]

you can do either or honestly, it's useful but not the hardest piece to refarm and you will appreciate the 6% chc roll more at this stage

[tawdry flare]

Also swap speed

[onyx sage]

swap speed in this economy?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah lol

[onyx sage]

i live in an economy where swap speed is useless

[tawdry flare]

Have you never swapped a weapon in a mission

[bronze hound]

we life in a foxiety

[onyx sage]

not the point, the stat is utterly useless

not because it's not useful but because it doesn't work

[tawdry flare]

I never said that it was useful but it is free

[onyx sage]

it's free useless

[tawdry flare]

Freeless

[onyx sage]

also you can circumvent by swapping to pistol and then to the slot you want, so you never needed swap speed

so there was no need to correct me

[tawdry flare]

Noted 🙂

[severe wasp]

For those of you guys who plays pvp, what backpack talents do you like to use ?

[onyx sage]

there's a PVP guide by raucey, also pinned on the spreadsheet

[bronze hound]

how do you hyperlink text like that

[tawdry flare]

Md

[bronze hound]

?

[onyx sage]

markdown, [link title](actual link)

[tawdry flare]

Here title

[bronze hound]

[Test](https://www.google.com/)

that didnt work

[onyx sage]

has to have full protocol

[tawdry flare]

www.google.com

[bronze hound]

it still didnt work

[onyx sage]

https://google.com instead of just google.com

[severe wasp]

@onyx sage Raucey sent me this guide yesterday I forgot 😛

[onyx sage]

you used code blocks

[bronze hound]

you said markdown

[onyx sage]

just type it normally

markdown isn't code blocks lol

[bronze hound]

` this is the symbol for markdown no?

[tawdry flare]

Binoculars

[onyx sage]

no, it's for code blocks

[bronze hound]

wait

test

[onyx sage]

markdown is a lot of stuff which includes hyperlinking and code blocks

[bronze hound]

oh hey i did it

[tawdry flare]

Images table column etc

[tawdry flare]

@onyx sage for you

[onyx sage]

i won't get rickrolled today

[tawdry flare]

Should try it

[bronze hound]

its actually binoculars lol

its literally a link to a store purchase for binoculars

[tawdry flare]

Who is he btw

[livid horizon]

Who is Rick?

lol come on man

[onyx sage]

Sanchez, duh

[vestal ibex]

You aren't rolling with the times eh?

[livid horizon]

Never gonna either

[tawdry flare]

I am 100% sure I didn't get that reference let me Google it lol

[blissful rampart]

the good thing about google is its never gonna let you down

[tawdry flare]

Azure let me

[livid horizon]

If you dont know it now, you're Never Gonna get it

[severe wasp]

I believe I'm onto something. Just tried few games in conflict with this build and it did pretty good, even felt good to play with. I've done what you told me regarding weapon attachments so I used the crit attachments to get to 60% chc and replaced the chc with chd stats on the gear pieces. So 60%, 120% crit dmg, 8% dmg to targets out of cover from Fox's kneepads, 1.4 mill armor and +15 weapon handling, +15 fire rate from Striker 3 gear pieces

Still can't deal with Ouroboros players tho

[flint wave]

who were u fighting to make this build successful

[round zinc]

invisible hand is an intersting pick

[flint wave]

3 piece striker is more interesting

[tawdry flare]

You are going to make a build that is not needed unless for niche raid situation

[severe wasp]

@round zinc wanted to try +12 fire rate from allegro and +15 from striker combined, still mostly uses the famas

Dmg is nearly identical between the 2 weapons since dmg with the famas is 95k and Invisibles hands 110k but lower firerate

@tawdry flare I mean it felt strong, downing players pretty fast

[tawdry flare]

If it is for PvP than I can't comment

[severe wasp]

only for pvp

[blissful rampart]

just FYI, 3 pc strikers is a dps loss on all builds. you lose too much for that ROF buff

[flint wave]

but there's no way 3 piece striker is better then pieces of anything else

[onyx sage]

^

[flint wave]

you have space for a contractor a grupo and catharsis or shocker punch

[blissful rampart]

iirc invisible hand is Decent dps on paper BUT has that trash Aug RNG horizontal recoil 🤢

[tawdry flare]

Or you can put all three of them at same time

[severe wasp]

idk frankly I'm just trying and testing builds in pvp i like to experiment. This may not be the strongest but it was pretty fun to play with

[onyx sage]

gear sets besides hotshot you really have to get the 4p talent to be worth it

idk who cavalier is in this economy

[blissful rampart]

ALSO fyi, fox/ contractors/ Picaro are a dps loss when your build is lacking chc, since those 3 cant run chc rolls without losing chd. (so ie that 3 strikers build combo and most gear sets in general lack chc)

[flint wave]

theres no way ur lacking chc if it's high end

[green pumice]

^

[heavy canyon]

hi, im back from a break of 2 years, any advise on my old build ? news things that can fit better ?

[tulip charm]

eh. Just check the builds out in the pinned comment and pick one that interest you.

[heavy canyon]

xd

[magic pilot]

Striker pvp

[blissful rampart]

weres oreo 😛

[shut thistle]

Is there a particular specialization that better with a hunters fury shotgun build ?

[patent fossil]

Firewall has a specialisation shield variant that gives a nice damage boost at short range

[tulip charm]

firewall

[shut thistle]

Roger!

[hollow pasture]

I use Gunner
Even more aok and regen ammo
Plus rof increase on kill
But that's because I really only use HF for open world farming

[shut thistle]

Seems i dont have enough points to unlock

[blissful rampart]

Firewall is bis for cqb builds because of striker shield 😄

[ruby summit]

what is cqb means ?

[magic pilot]

That's on the new build 😆

[blissful rampart]

close quarter combat (ie smg/ shotty ranges)

[ruby summit]

ah i got it now thanks

[onyx sage]

close quarter bombat

[green pumice]

after 1K Hours finally i see this shit 😄

[onyx sage]

close quarter cattle

[livid horizon]

Deconstruct it quickly

[green pumice]

nahh i should frame this shit

[livid horizon]

If the frame is your toilet seat

[green pumice]

it might be

[livid horizon]

Perfect

[slate wedge]

ewwwwwww

[green pumice]

its shit but never seen it drop before 😄

[slate wedge]

i got it so often

[green pumice]

😄

[hollow pasture]

I remember like last season I had a memento drop from a red bar on a open world activity lmao

[hollow pasture]

Anything I should change to make my OD better

[flint wave]

scorpio to put easy status effects on

[hollow pasture]

I'll pass
Only use scorpio on my healer

But thanks for the advice

[flint wave]

How are you putting the od status effect on

[hollow pasture]

Banshee pulse?

[flint wave]

unreliable

[hollow pasture]

Usually use banshee on a cluster of enemies

Yea like I said I've stopped using scorpio on anything but my healer

[flint wave]

yet you'll use ouro

[hollow pasture]

I got it like 2 days ago?

It's been fun

[magic pilot]

I run PGC and gift

I don't think you need ceska with oreo on OD?

You are over cap

[round zinc]

31+10+10

cant remember if OD gives chc

[hollow pasture]

Does not

[bronze hound]

Isn't it reload speed and sfx

[hollow pasture]

Yep

[magic pilot]

Plus 12 from rolls

31+10+12

[bronze hound]

+10*

[magic pilot]

No lol

[bronze hound]

You said this + 2 chc

[magic pilot]

31 from gun 10 from watch plus 2 6% rolls

I'm not counting ceska

[bronze hound]

Oh yeah

[flint wave]

this is not a real od build

[hollow pasture]

Are you the gatekeeper of "real" OD builds by any chance

[hollow pasture]

Yea I'm like 3% over
Can't really reroll any of the pieces with CHC rn
Would have to replace the knees with ones with chd

[round zinc]

broke:this is not the real OD build
woke:OD is not real

[balmy fern]

Sharing builds? Might as well share mine....keep in mind I've never done raids, never been in a clan and only recently started playing seriously and doing DZ's and harder difficulties.

[hollow pasture]

Now that's a fresh out of wony build right there

[balmy fern]

I mean yeah lmao

[hollow pasture]

It's fine we've all been there don't worry about it

[balmy fern]

I finished wony and went back to DC to go for Nemesis and try DZ's

[vestal ibex]

Spreadsheet pinned in this channel has tons of builds in it.

[balmy fern]

Right now I am setup as like, a zombie build...1.1M armor, 30k armor back on each kill and like 20k armor/s regen

[hollow pasture]

Check the pinned in this channel for a -

[balmy fern]

Plus my chestpiece has unbreakable

[hollow pasture]

Nvm there you go

[vestal ibex]

Armor has super poor scaling in this game fyi, double the armor means 3 seconds before it's gone vs 1.5 seconds.

[balmy fern]

Anything I should consider going for? Been working on trying to get gear sets and such to see if I find one I like

[balmy fern]

oh wow. oof.

Guess I am glad I have regen and unbreakable

[vestal ibex]

What you go for depends on what you enjoy but there are meta builds everyone should make if you wanna do the very end game content and not just be carried.

[hollow pasture]

Strikers and Hunters fury is what I'd recommend rn for gear sets for general play

[balmy fern]

I did get lucky and get this the other day...

[hollow pasture]

Once you get more comfortable you can try some sniping builds and whatnot but yea the pinned spreadsheet has a striker build if you want a guide

[balmy fern]

I should probably start making loadouts...for now I just swap my guns behind cover asap when moving from outdoor to indoor

[vestal ibex]

It's always hard to suggest what a new player does because you don't want to overwhelm them ya know. I'd pick one build in the spreadsheet and focus on it until you can enjoy heroic content. Then I'd expand from there.

Just keep in mind correct stats for a build>perfect rolls on gear.

[balmy fern]

So focus on stats first, perks second?

[vestal ibex]

It would be like this, farm targeted loot for gear/brands try for correct stats and talent over a perfect roll that's irrelevant to your build.

[balmy fern]

Ah that makes sense

Been looking at Bracus stuff because 2/3 set means a free Skill Tier +1 so I can move away from looking for that on my other gear and focus more red stuff

[bronze hound]

brazos

[vestal ibex]

Yeah the build guides are very comprehensive and show alternates and all sorts of options. I'd just read the entire thing, as well as reading the gearset and talents. They can be confusing so ask away if something seems funky. Also keep in mind the green gear sets have a chest and backpack talent and can have a huge impact on that particular gear set or not at all.

[balmy fern]

thank you, I didnt have client open and was like "eh....starts with a B. I'll get close enough" lmao

Oh wow this guide is nuts. I'll have to check this out after work and see if I have enough gear to get something new scrapped together

This feels just as nuts when I first started diving into serious Destiny 2 (the other D2 lol) end game PvE stuff like doing lowman raids, solo flawless dungeons etc

[slate wedge]

i think i saw you on the lb for completed incursions

[forest forum]

Whoever suggested countdown for farming, thank you! Its all I been doing right now. I love it. Especially since I get the point what its for. Def fastest way to build resources and not hard with plenty of players. Def very cool to play.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I was around 10-15 and now I'm like 20 something but a bunch of those top positions are just cheaters running thru the mission solo with like sub 4 minute times. I wish there weren't hackers cause man having top spots on the LB would be sick.

[slate wedge]

fr
i am slightly behind you on completions and my best time rn is 10m 20s

[vestal ibex]

Yeah getting sub 10 either takes a super clean run with some minor optimizations and reps but sub 9 or sub 8 takes some strats although you can do it without oneshots or turret pulls.

[delicate laurel]

You have ne beat Mines 12m 35s

Longest run for me was 30m

[vestal ibex]

Oh yeah currently 9:15 and it was scuff, should have been an 8 min run but we had 2 go down in the wright fight and one durring tanker.

[delicate laurel]

I wonder what the fastest non tainted run is

[slate wedge]

oof, yeah we did everything pretty clean on the 10:20 run but the tactics weren't as good i think

[slate wedge]

whatchu mean?

[urban latch]

6:16 this patch is the quickest im aware of

[vestal ibex]

Turret pulls? One shot wright?

[urban latch]

yeah, thats any%

[vestal ibex]

Ah okay. I thought they weren't that fast in 19.1 I thought that was before the patch.

[urban latch]

oh wait, that was, my bad

[vestal ibex]

7:44 on PS but idk about the others.

[crisp mulch]

picaros holster 15% weapon dmg or fox prayer 8% dmg out of cover?

[blissful rampart]

need more info but on builds that can run them, Fox wins on red builds and picaro wins on heavy blue builds (ie pvp)

[magic pilot]

Saw 6:54 on pc

[hollow pasture]

7:48 on Xbox

Wow only 4 seconds difference between ps and Xbox
Kinda interesting

[vestal ibex]

lol just posted little over an hour ago, probably one shot wright and did turret pull tho. We were talking about glitchless stuff earlier.

Just keep in mind I make the distinction between one shot/checkpoint pulls/BLB one shots and glitchless because those are things outside of the normal play for most people.

[hollow pasture]

I run a DCH holster on my chest strikers build
That's about it for big damage with randoms lol

[vestal ibex]

I mean you can hit like 200-300 mil or something with that and the right buffs.

[hollow pasture]

Yea probably
Getting the right buffs with randoms is another thing
It's just there for wright more so than lovebirds

Max I hit with randoms and a orbit not D50 is like 50 million

[carmine echo]

Just coming back to Div any one got any ideas for facetank/aggressive dps for DZ?

[magic pilot]

Catharsis, matador, 2 pc sokolov or 1 pc and 1 grupo, fox, picaros, ouroboros

Unbreakable chest

[proud badger]

Where is the best place to solo farm wolf's mask? I'm level 40+23, new player (playing 5 days, 65 hours)

[late barn]

i’m tryna farm for a ceska chest but is this okay for the meantime

[solar venture]

does Artificer hive get anything out of the Drone slot?

[untold hearth]

This one is mine from 6am last night lol. If it's all red then it's better, I use the holster only because both the CHC and CHD were both full when I found it in my pocket lol. But it should be all red mostly.

Correction ignore the lmg I was up late and put back my famas 🤣

[cyan drift]

Feel like this shoots too fast for the game to even register some of the bullets

35.63333- bullets per second, but you can run the game at 30fps, so I wonder if you even hit them all

[solar venture]

it was faster on the PTS, I was hoping they would release it as is, so I could use your build, during golden bullet and melt the servers

[cyan drift]

just use a frenzy GR9 🤣

[solar venture]

no, let me have my 3000rpm death machine

[cyan drift]

well, it will be, for 5 seconds

[solar venture]

golden bullet refills mag

[cyan drift]

I still think the game didn't register like a third of the bullets

[balmy fern]

Curious...if I wanted to start going for strikers gearset and I don't see it on the map...is this like most other looter shooters where there is a weekly rotation of what each map sector targeted loot is?

Right now looking at DC map and not seeing Strikers sadly

[cyan drift]

daily

[balmy fern]

Oh thank the lord.

[cyan drift]

yeah don't worry, I've had days where I want to go after something but it's either on a really annoying mission or nowhere at all

and then the next day it's at lincoln memorial, so it makes the usual rounds

[balmy fern]

Word. Yeah I am used to end game grinding ala Destiny 2, but daily refreshes is nice for sure.

Funny enough, I made a blue build thats just a zombie build that I like, and turns out thats one of the blue builds in the pinned google doc

I set it as my Default and will just start making others. Right now its like 1.1M armor, Unbreakable, like 30k armor regen per kill and 20k armor regen/s

Definitely feel like I lucked out on this Brazos holster though damn

[cyan drift]

there, squeaked out 2 more rpm

[kindred marten]

FYI, all Picaro’s Holsters come with maxed out weapon damage, it’s a unique attribute. Crit chance on there is nice though, in case you want to change the core for a hybrid.

[slate wedge]

imagine they would add frenzy into descent

[cyan drift]

I still want frenzy on other gun types

[slate wedge]

not at all busted on a vector

or just anything pretty much

[untold hearth]

Why am I seeing a lot of striker builds on my YouTube feed after just making one 🧐

[solar venture]

Does the Prophet work as its intended?

vs the glitched state of regular Determined

[urban latch]

No

[magic pilot]

Yes it does lol @urban latch

[urban latch]

Oh I read that wrong

[onyx sage]

i that read wrong

[magic pilot]

Read wrong that

[solar venture]

I want to mess around with getting big numbers with mix of CHD and HSD

[magic pilot]

Hate to be that guy but no matter what build you go with determined on d50 will do more dmg

[cyan drift]

depends on how many bullets count for the 3% bonus

if it's still 10, nothing special at all

if it's like 5, oh boy

[slim nexus]

Solo dz builds ….. looking to put one together and need some advice

[forest forum]

Is there a best gear 4pc? Just curious. Am using striker. Digging it.

[balmy fern]

For PvP in DZ's what loot would be best to target in Countdown?

Assuming SMGs and Shotguns, but any brand or gear set in particular?

I assume Striker is a good strart?

[forest forum]

Got a pic, so this is just here. Hope it helps.

[balmy fern]

Yup found it tyty

[forest forum]

You bet!

I don't know much but i just got into countdown myself.

[balmy fern]

I might target Striker gear and SMG. Best SMG I have right now is Lady Death and just not feeling it

[shy willow]

Lady death isn’t very good

[shy willow]

All depends on what youre using it for

[untold hearth]

Ok seriously why TF am I seeing a lot of recommended feed videos for striker builds after putting one together last night??? I haven't even looked em up I just been asking here like am I trippen?

[hazy steeple]

The wonderful word of companies watching everything you do.

[forest forum]

I use st elmos engine exotic. Its my go to mainly cuz it stock the enemies to give you a chance to shoot them up. Maybe something to use till you find something better if you own one?
On diff note; Do you know anything about lvl up your expertise? It add 1% weapon damage when you lvl up if* I am understanding that myself. You upgrade proficient in your weapons to make them stronger once you lvl expertise. You found this this at your Recalibration Station. Definitely check that out if you haven't. If you don't know how to do that, I can try my best to explain.

[balmy fern]

Oh yeah I know about the expertise system, just found out about it the other day

And as for the person who told me about Lady death not being good, that figures as much lol... Couldn't really seem to get it to work

[forest forum]

Good good, it'll def be a big help

[balmy fern]

I might try to get Elmo from countdown runs

[forest forum]

I tried it myself. I like the name* but not great even up close shooting, wasn't worth it. I just donated it.

[astral kraken]

no best. depends on what you're trying to do. better question is "best 4pc to do <insert thing you want to do>"

and even then there are usually multiple options

[forest forum]

I can't remember where i got mine, but i love countdown!

[forest forum]

Nah i don't think you are, tiktok showing me videos of striker since i been looking them up lol.

[forest forum]

Gotcha Gotcha

[onyx sage]

don't donate exotics. you need exotic components way more than you think

[forest forum]

I actually didn't even know that. Don't want to encourage anyone to donate exotic so thx for pointing that out.

[cyan drift]

tiktok TOS includes the consent to track your key inputs, so they know literally everything you look for at any time

even if you type "strikers battlegear" in a text to someone, they'll know

[untold hearth]

Bruh lol

[shy willow]

Sometimes I wonder how things like these are allowed

[cyan drift]

almost anything, as long as you hit "I agree"

[tight isle]

What would be the best talent for a dps striker build

[dense seal]

Fast Hands - Strained - Optimist.

Fast Hands is Utility and an increased in Sustained DPS
Strained is a Crit Damage increase and an increase in Burst DPS.
Optimist is AWD and will increase Burst DPS

[junior surge]

Gun talent or chest/bp talent?

Fur gun talents, see above. For chest talents, obliterate, (perfect) glass cannon, (perfect) focus and (perfect) spotter are all viable options, and it,'s gonna depend on tbe rest of your build and playstyle.

[dreamy valve]

The KSG shotgun is my new favorite headhunter gun

[dense seal]

Cringes in M870

[dreamy valve]

I tried the others like the M870, but I just like KSG

[tropic topaz]

why? and is it regular ksg or send-off?)

[dreamy valve]

Regular KSG with pummel

[tropic topaz]

pummel? I'm not good with weapon talents:(

[tight isle]

Backpack talent

[dense seal]

Striker's Backpack.
There are ways to out perform it, but it requires the use of Perfect Glass Cannon and Vigilance. Normal Glass Cannon is not enough. So Perfect only.
So this is why we use the Striker's Backpack

[tropic topaz]

damn:(

[dense seal]

After 3 kills refil magazine and get 40% AWD for 10 seconds.

[tropic topaz]

awd?

[dense seal]

All Weapon Damage. (red Core)

[tropic topaz]

oh

[dreamy valve]

KSG is a lot more forgiving than the other shotguns with similar weapon damage profiles due to its mag size

By the time pummel activates, the mag would have been refilled before I would do any reloading

[dense seal]

This is the same with any HH Shotty build.
The largest difference you will see, and it simply comes down to "perfect plays do not exists". As with any HH build, we start with Reds, then Purples, finally Yellow/Named.
What if there are no Reds? Purples? What if you drop stacks?
KSG base is 594,230 where the M870 is 695,775. With a full build behind it, this is a HUGE difference.

It is not that KSG is a bad choice, it is the 3rd highest base Shotgun, it will work. Though if things ever go that wrong. M870 is a life line, where KSG will resort to mindless spamming, hopes and dreams.

[dreamy valve]

Worked fine for me, after 1 stack of HH was enough to one shot kill a heroic named 4 players, and I had 3 blue cores on

[dense seal]

Like I said, "it will work"
But now assume you have no stacks and the only enemy left is a Named Elite.

[dreamy valve]

Yeah that happed too, actually some Rogue Agents spawned in but I killed them real quick without HH buff to start off surprisingly

[dense seal]

Open World Rogues are still scaled to Normal/Hard I believe?

Then there is Reanimated which has (I think) a 50% amp on head shots.

[dreamy valve]

It was some players game I was in, I guess it was heroic, I always hate they disable the radar

What I do miss is my old tip of the spear flamethrower build, now I’m just waiting to see if it’s still fun with Hollywood

[tawdry flare]

The amp is 100% iirc and it is weird with rouges they are scaled to difficulty at least the recent encounters for me

[lunar spindle]

guys is there a difference between military m870 and custom m870?

[tawdry flare]

Except for attachment option nope and a bit of handling

[lunar spindle]

ty

[dreamy valve]

They are scaled to difficulty,the thing is the player power creep has overtaken their challenge somewhat with every season that makes us stronger, while they are stuck in their original state that they were introduced, namely during WONY’s release

[astral kraken]

No, something is wrong with OW rogues.

Control point rogues and missions rogues are scaled properly.

[tawdry flare]

Ow rouges are fine for quite some time

[astral kraken]

No they are not. They are scaled down heavily... probably Normal or something.

[hazy steeple]

Overwatch Rogues?

[dreamy valve]

I encountered those rogues a few hours ago, they felt the same challenge as any other rogue spawn to me

[astral kraken]

If it was after clearing a control point then those are scaled properly.

Most people don't encounter the busted OW rogues.

[dreamy valve]

They spawned in the middle of the street away from any control point

[astral kraken]

You said you killed them without an HH buff quickly...

[tawdry flare]

Near the safe house 👀

[hazy steeple]

For anyone else confused, these people seem to be referring to LZ Rogues as "OW Rogues" for some reason.

[astral kraken]

If they were properly scaled your HH build would get dunked on by them.

What do you mean "these people" 🥸

[tawdry flare]

We have reanimated on so 2X buff

[astral kraken]

That doesn't mean anything

The difference is in 10s of millions of HP

Not even close

[tawdry flare]

Btw it can go up to 3X DMG if you are in the oxidier fog

I have seen 70million on regulus hh

During event if you are in the oxidizer fog

[dreamy valve]

I just headshotted one a couple times and that started my HH stacks for the others

Not my fault some players are bad at fighting them

[astral kraken]

🤦‍♂️

[hazy steeple]

No reason to get snarky people.
They could very well be still bugged for some, it wouldn't be the first time this game has had selective bugs.

[astral kraken]

Math doesn't lie. He's saying he's killing the rogues without HH buffs.

How much damage you doing without HH buffs and your KSG shotgun?

[tawdry flare]

Depends on who is doing the math

[astral kraken]

And elite scaled to 4 person heroic is 16 million HP. And properly scaled heroic rogues are much stronger than that.

If you even take into account the 2x buff for reanimated - you're saying you're doing 30+ million damage without HH buffs?

Makes no sense

What you're describing is only possible if the rogues are scaled down which is what I've seen with every rogue in open world (non control point, non mission).

Now if you told me you're dealing 50+ million dmg with your KSG shotgun I'd have some questions but at least that'd invalidate the open world rogue thing.

[dreamy valve]

Who knows, I just shot them point blank in the face a couple times with my KSG and it fell down dead. Rogue Agents have never been a real challenge since when I first played WONY anyways. I have 5 v 1 control point Rogues before as well

There’s probably a lot of factors that were happening at once, like the exact loadout I was using at the time, the buffs that were active in the world and in the group, the increasingly buggy nature of the game as Rivens has pointed out, and my experience fighting them for about 4 years now

[hexed steppe]

I hit an open world rogue last night for 50mil and it took around half the armor.
I think they corrected the rogues that were super squishy.
They also only been dropping highend or gear sets, no purples.. 🤷‍♂️

I've only had them from cp also since that's all I been running for xp

[astral kraken]

I haven't seen any squishy rogues from control points, summit, or missions. The only squishy ones I've seen (as recently as two days ago) were the random encounters with them in open world.

[astral kraken]

Or... occam's razor... they were squishy rogues.

[hexed steppe]

Purple loot drops as well?

[astral kraken]

Yep I did get a purple drop

It felt like they had ~2 million HP

[hexed steppe]

I was seeing the squishy rogues everywhere open world, including cp4, until recently. All purple drops.
Note the activity they are triggered from if you're still seeing them.

The mission and summit rogues were always full strength tho.

[slate nest]

i have 2 iron lung

what should i keep?

[cerulean smelt]

well, considering you've been optimizing the one on the left might as well commit to it, or keep both and play around with the second one

[lethal trellis]

keep both and reroll second one to damage to armor if you have spare EC

[urban latch]

Ideally you'll want one with the third attribute being chc, but rof is just about your next best option.

[hollow pasture]

I'd keep the rof one

Altough it'll take some optimising

[slate nest]

my chc is already 60%
thats why i choose chd

[gentle lichen]

Which vector version is best? (Excluding ouro)

[urban latch]

Because your trading CHD for chc elsewhere. On the third attribute it's more efficient to have chc there which frees you up to get more chd total.

[vestal ibex]

IMO it comes down to being able to one mag an enemy so SBR 45 or at less damage per bullet with a larger mag the SBR 9mm. It depends on the content/scaling you play but which ever you feel more successful with would be your best option.

[gentle lichen]

It's for a ridgeway's pvp build

[urban latch]

The real answer is just use an mpx. It has a higher burst damage than the non-tac 9mm vector (the one with a decent mag size) and a usable damage per mag unlike the other vectors.

If you really want to run killer then the dark winter isn't bad

[glossy scarab]

theyre gonna want to run sadist to get the most out of ridgeways

[gentle lichen]

Oh it's for a ridgeway so i would be using sadist

[hollow pasture]

It you wanna run a non oreo vector I'd go with Dark winter

[gentle lichen]

In pvp killer doesn't do you that much

[hollow pasture]

Yea I typed it before I saw the pvp mention

[hazy steeple]

hey Raucey, what is your opinion on the very fine line between the mp5 variants?
Like, which one would you recommend for a newbie to put Expertise into over the others. Assuming general use, mod slots, etc.

[hollow pasture]

Disregard what I said

[gentle lichen]

Would you run m870 or super90 along with mpx i mean (assuming mpx is main)

[vestal ibex]

Me looking at mp5s stats.... they are the same guns

[urban latch]

To me the variations worth using are the ones with long barrels, theres a couple with long barrels and a couple with short. The ones with long barrels are the best smgs for running flatline

[hollow pasture]

It's the super 90 vs marine super 90 vs super 90 tactical SBS
Pretty much the same other than looks iirc

[gentle lichen]

Yeah but it's more about the m870 vs super 90

[vestal ibex]

MP5A2 is the only one without a long barrel.

[slate nest]

this is my build btw
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwVgtMYMxgjBYAMSXLajiBcAOBN5Jh51TNUthlICEz7zsAWeWJ6ORr+y8GzhoMyUAbPgHdJ2YCICcCWLHCxZBWexXh0SuJBBYhhg1MZYRxw0gtSgA

[gentle lichen]

I persume a normal mpx with any damage talent would be better than the apartment?

[green pumice]

im so damn bored might as well start farming pvp set what is the meta build atm?

[hollow pasture]

Measured is bad
So yea

[urban latch]

Swap in foxes knees

[slate nest]

and then change iron lung attributes to chc?

[urban latch]

Yeah

You could also swap in coyotes as well.

[magic pilot]

For pvp? Six 12

Super fast reload while still keeping good dmg

[slate wedge]

best smg is the tac vector with fast hands

(apart from oreo)

[urban latch]

It just doesn't have enough damage per mag imo, and with the smaller mag your also getting less out of fast hands

[vestal ibex]

looking at it being 50% less mag damage than the normie SBR 9mm

[glossy scarab]

The regular 9mm sbr is my fav. Fast hands on it works great. I like it's look the best too. downside is it's no good for flatline.

[dreamy valve]

Squishy, tough, or crunchy, all rogues end up the same way: Dead!

[vestal ibex]

For a while there rogues were all normal diff. I did get to one shot 5 rogues last night so Idk if that bug is still happening or if I just landed all my M870 shots ya know.

[dreamy valve]

It’s a shame the game is deteriorating faster than they can mend things. I would say to just set aside the next expansion cause who knows what that will break next-maybe the rest of our builds?

[onyx sage]

no you're just too pro for them

[orchid cloud]

Anyone recommends 2 primary weapons to have same talent a.k.a optimist?

[magic pilot]

Not really

Better to have 2 separate weapon classes for ammo conservation

Talents are all preference tbh

[round zinc]

why is it one of the best smg for flatline when the requirement is just to have tech laser on it?

like i tried it and i like the mp5 but i cant see the difference between all variants

[onyx sage]

because there aren't that many that can fit it

[round zinc]

isn't the mpx the best mp variant

[onyx sage]

it's a completely different gun from all the mp5s

[glad heart]

MPX is not a variant of the MP smgs

[urban latch]

and the MPX has a short barrel

[round zinc]

they all have mp in the name :p

[glad heart]

Two different manufacturers MP is H & K; MPX is Sigg

[urban latch]

outside of the attachements theres no differences. The MP5s arent really "that" good, outside the fact that they are one of the few SMGs that can run flatline + pulse attachment. Your other options being UMP with terrible burst dps, and a couple vectors with terrible damage per mag. So the MP5s with long barrel have that niche

[magic pilot]

Can't believe you said mp5 and mpx are the same

Might as well throw in mp7

There's a shotgun out there called MP with some numbers after it we can throw that in too

[hexed steppe]

I cant believe anyone would want to run an smg other than oreo 😅

[tropic topaz]

i mean not everyone has oreo

[hexed steppe]

Skill issue 🤣

[glossy scarab]

It's not hard to get

[hexed steppe]

I dont have oreo btw

[onyx sage]

me neither

[hexed steppe]

Cba to worry about getting it

[tropic topaz]

oreo is funny

[astral kraken]

mp stands for maschinenpistole

[onyx sage]

i'd wait for the second coming of scorpio to bother doing another incursion

[round zinc]

look man im dumb with guns

[tropic topaz]

second coming of scorpio?

[astral kraken]

libra

[round zinc]

the AR variant of aug is bad but what about the smg version?

[tropic topaz]

wish i could give my oreo to someone who can use it properly 😔

[hollow pasture]

Whichever invisible hand is on is the good one

[round zinc]

i may not be good with guns but i do have a good roll of mp5

[tropic topaz]

wow you surely do have a lot of guns

[round zinc]

it just dropped with all them free stats lmao

mp5 sure does look great with attachments tho

[onyx sage]

another gun as good as scorpio

[tropic topaz]

i like the look of vectors more.. for example

[onyx sage]

you did not just put digital scope on a vector

[glossy scarab]

With ranger lol

Use a safety distance at least

[tropic topaz]

because it looks funny

[hexed steppe]

Secret for reanimated. God mode active

[onyx sage]

bro is sniping the 2 elite snipers in the savannah in legendary zoo

[tropic topaz]

i can't even withstand 3.4x :(

[hollow pasture]

We need a exotic mp5 with integrated suppressor look massive pls

[hazy steeple]

Because you want a quieter mp5?

Supressor's don't actually do anything in div2.

[magic pilot]

Esthetics

[hollow pasture]

I mean it'd look good

[magic pilot]

Tacticool

[hollow pasture]

Same way backfire looks good
Isn't that a mp5

Or is it a mpx

[magic pilot]

Mpx

[hazy steeple]

mpx, aye.
What would the stats of this theoretical exotic mp5 be?

[hollow pasture]

(I actually wouldn't want it rn we just had a exotic smg come out)
Would be more interested in them making a good bloody talent for it

Instead of oreo has

[round zinc]

900% dttooc

[hazy steeple]

But for balance reasons, make it remove half of your Stash with every reload.
that would of course compound, so you'd only lose 50% of what's remaining each time.

[hollow pasture]

900 %dtooc but 0 capability to do health damage
There's ur tradeoff lmao

[round zinc]

what if

exotic sniper that shoots thru walls

and do more damage per m of wall penetrated

[hollow pasture]

That already happens in the dz

[round zinc]

lol

i tried backfire again and i think i see the problem

the bleed is just neglect-able

its just that if its like an AR it would be better

[royal nimbus]

Thats why you make a build that ignores the bleed status.

[round zinc]

you can easily just ignore hazpro by uh

getting 200 stacks quick

hunters fury,gunner striker

15% RPM means you build stacks 15% faster

[hollow pasture]

I think I made a strikers haz pro for it
Still have it somewhere

[glossy scarab]

my striker backfire no bleed build crits 1.3+ mil bodyshots

do i use it

[round zinc]

legit would do some nutty damage in the incursion

[glossy scarab]

no

[round zinc]

just use booster hive

after you hit 200 stacks you just dont bleed and booster clears al status anyway

problem for me is just the general handling of the weapon feels bad

poor accuracy and reload speed which is weird since its a mpx

[glossy scarab]

it would be a thousand percent better if staccks decayed instead of disappearing

[hexed steppe]

gl keeping it at 200 stacks outside the range

[tawdry flare]

And incursion and heroic CF and 4 person legendary

[royal nimbus]

I might actually need to redo legendary I may have deleted my mule while it held my big horn

[tough linden]

randomly opened the Named and got this.. is this any good?

[urban latch]

Not with a health roll

A chd or hsd roll already on there so you can have an all red version are considered unicorns

[tawdry flare]

You can use it for hazpro builds

[tawdry raven]

i got really lucky with the hollow man i got from a cache couple months back, slots real well in my backfire build

[glossy scarab]

honestly a plain old yaahl mask with chc/chd is better

[tough linden]

😮

[tawdry raven]

maybe but then id have to go into the dz to get one

[glossy scarab]

yea forget that

but you can craft it if you have mats. and regular vendors sell yaahl from time to time

[tawdry raven]

o i can craft some yaahl gear, just gonna stick with the hollow man tho, flex item kinda

[glossy scarab]

yea thats a keeper still

[tawdry raven]

prob not losing a noticable amount of dmg using hollow man anyways

cant wait for christmas so i can get those named items

just about the few things im missing is those christmas named items

[glossy scarab]

yeah. chill out mask is all ill be looking for. but i already have enough so maybe not

[hollow pasture]

Used to be better tbh

21% health damage before

Back when everyone and their mother ran it

[tawdry raven]

mustve been awesome in AR builds

[tawdry raven]

yeah def need to get the mask, and tommy guns a nice grab, the sniper just seems to look like a reskinned white death which is underwhelming

[glossy scarab]

the smg is a waste of space too