td2-build-advice

[vernal stratus]

is there a 1 build i can use for all pve content?

[hexed steppe]

striker

there is a guide in the pinned spreadsheet on this channel

[astral kraken]

@glossy scarab #td2-build-advice message

This is it. This is the build. Been running it for a couple days and it's been damn near perfect in 4 person heroic OW with all directives. 1 person heroic it's a joke, can do any content. Still very fun to run because it's punishing if you mess up.

The dodge city really made it perfect since my first shot is a guaranteed stack unless I screw up and miss.

[onyx sage]

it's the exact build in raucey's guide kek

you derived the meta by yourself

[astral kraken]

lol really

[vestal ibex]

Yeah this is just regulus HH high end version with D50

[astral kraken]

that actually makes me so proud LOL

[onyx sage]

yeah congrats for landing on it

[forest forum]

I enjoy using crafted, i keep what i know I'll absolute use. The rest i use for resources if not sell so I don't run out $. Gives you more storage to work with when craft is available.

[vernal stratus]

im not really understanding what to run on the striker build

it shows the gear, but not any attribute names

[astral kraken]

are you talking about the gear spreadsheet?

[vernal stratus]

thats for all 3 pics?

[vestal ibex]

Yes.

[vernal stratus]

ok

[vestal ibex]

CHC has a hard cap in this game and will never go over 60%.

[forest forum]

What the Y mean

[vernal stratus]

what gun is this?

[astral kraken]

the standard way to do it is to put CHD on all of your pieces and fill the CHC gap with CHC gear mods. always use CHC weapon mods.

[vestal ibex]

x and y are your two situations you are comparing.

[forest forum]

Oh oh ok

[astral kraken]

st elmo, one of the best ARs. if you dont have it just run a famas/police m4/carbine7 with fast hands.

[tropic topaz]

St. Elmo's Engine

[astral kraken]

elmo is pretty new. before that one of the other ARs i listed above was standard.

and still needed if you're running a scorpio or something

[vernal stratus]

can i farm countdown for everything in this pic?

[flint wave]

not rock and roll

[vernal stratus]

could sub that for a normal shotty yea?

[astral kraken]

well technically... you can just buy named item caches

[flint wave]

But rock and roll is super unnecessary yes

[hollow pasture]

If you have it use it if not regular ACS (or lefty)

[forest forum]

I like this gun a lot. Got like this but cannot decide rather to change out the attributes for magazine size or change my talent. Cannot change my core attributes since i don't have any replacements for them.
I pretty much got most the talents to switch tho might be off on 2 or 3 so any suggestions be great if not go with the magazine size for attributes.

[blissful rampart]

core attributes are fixed for all guns. only the secondary attribute and talent can be changed for guns and for 99.9% of guns "damage to out of cover" is best in slot.

[forest forum]

Oh okay that makes sense, thx!

[flint wave]

what's the 0.01% besides lmgs

dta on snipers?

[astral kraken]

dta for status effect builds maybe?

[urban latch]

Really the only other exception is skill builds using skills that are effected by dta but not dtooc

[astral kraken]

like EP fire or something

[blissful rampart]

ummm cant think of one atm just said .9 to be safe lol

[flint wave]

pretty sure those builds use mop

mop shotgun

[frosty lodge]

is mag size or damage to armor better for the iron lung?

[flint wave]

anyway nice rolls

[blissful rampart]

ROF, CHC are the top choices for LMG and dta isnt too bad as well.

[round zinc]

This is the bets thing ive seen today

Roll fast hand,strained or something

[flint wave]

Smh here I am with a dth iron lung

[round zinc]

Technically it edges out a c7

Like its better dps but the number is really small

[frosty lodge]

ty man

[tulip mauve]

I got a Rock 'n Roll in Countdown, if that helps.

[flint wave]

No you didn't

[tulip mauve]

I haven't touched DZ, and I was spending the few currency I had on exotic caches for anything good. Yet I got a Rock n Roll. Maybe it came from another source but that would be weird as I've been spamming Countdown since I started playing over a week ago completing the library and getting better rolls for stuff.

[magic pilot]

Doesn't drop in countdown

[hollow pasture]

Named caches

[hexed steppe]

Except for the fact that cap exists with its 12% dta 😅

[blissful rampart]

well for the times you dont use Cap (ie scorpio + other)

[urban wind]

Hey guys, returning player with catching up to do - wanted to check if anyone knew whether or not the ninja messenger backpack was in the general loot pool?

[onyx sage]

it is in general loot pool

[hexed steppe]

Scorpio more status cc build... if going damage skills why wouldn't you use cap. 60% sd 🤷‍♂️

[blissful rampart]

because scorpio is safer and better those "oh shit" moments.

both options are strong though , just depends.

[urban wind]

Thanks!

[urban latch]

It's really not worth using though, just fyi

[onyx sage]

as raucey said, if you're just collecting it then that's fine, but it doesn't really make any builds better

[urban wind]

Awesome, that saves me the effort of hunting it down I guess, it drops when it drops. Thanks guys

[fleet fulcrum]

whats the best way to add survivability to a striker build?

[hollow pasture]

Protection from elite mods

[tropic topaz]

staying in cover

[flint wave]

memento

With a few blues

[hollow pasture]

I really am not a fan of adding blues to a striker build

Most I'd do is use memento and pfe mods

[flint wave]

Where else are you gonna get the bonus armor tho

what's the point of memento then

Blues won't slow a striker build down

[hollow pasture]

Any bonus armor is good
I use memento on HF with memento being the only blue

[spice spruce]

Is 1 piece Belstone Armory better than 1 piece Gila Guard?

1% Armor Regen vs 5% Total Armor?

[blissful rampart]

i mean losing chd mods is more of a dps loss then losing red cores 😛 just saying

[blissful rampart]

both are meh/bad but armor regen is less meh.

[hollow pasture]

My experience WITH PFE mods is me seeing a bunch of striker builds with them more than actually running them

And improvised pieces with them

[blissful rampart]

tbh memento, and playing smart are the 2 biggest impacts for gaining more survivability

without tanking your dps

oh and also preservation / gunner as well.

[hollow pasture]

Gunner plus HF aok is pretty good

[blissful rampart]

for strikers build i mean

but gunner + preservation combo always good for lots of builds too.

[hollow pasture]

Yea it's still pretty good
Only wish the aok mods were actually worth running

[tropic topaz]

normal preservation or perfect one?

[late barn]

so i was checking out the spreadsheet builds for hunters fury and saw intimidate got nerfed

[blissful rampart]

normal

perfect one is good talent but bad gun

[late barn]

what backpack talents should we use alongside whatever chest talents they said

[hollow pasture]

Like months ago iirc

Or am I thinking of smth else

[blissful rampart]

depends on the HF build. i think the guide covers the options? but obliterate + wicked is really good for smg hf

[tropic topaz]

is.. p320 bad? bit sad.. And no other pistol can roll with it?

[magic pilot]

There's a p90 with it as well

Also not worth using though

[hollow pasture]

P90 just falls off in heroic content imo

[magic pilot]

Also striker PFE builds are still super good because striker is that busted lol

Improvised and chillout

[tropic topaz]

pfe?

[magic pilot]

Protection from elite

[tropic topaz]

oh

[hollow pasture]

This is my HF build with memento
Ignore lady death that's a personal preference

[magic pilot]

Chest is crazy

[delicate laurel]

pfe protects you from yellow bar enemies the only danger are the purple and red bars

[hollow pasture]

I have a obli chest

If that would work better

It's also grupo so id Just use a HF mask

[slate wedge]

go for a ceska chest with obliterate and the HF mask

[hollow pasture]

I don't need the CHC

[slate wedge]

if you get 101% pfe will you be invincible against elites?

[onyx sage]

pfe is capped at 80%

[slate wedge]

10% watch, 31% lady death, 10% ceska, 6% roll on the chest

is 57% alone

[slate wedge]

ohhhh thats why

[blissful rampart]

^^ IE you need chc even for SMGs 😛

[hollow pasture]

This is the current CHC

Grupo chest with HF mask

[blissful rampart]

ah there you go, you have some chc rolls instead of chd

[hollow pasture]

A few chd aren't fully maxed aswell
So would ceska chest with HF mask allow me to get more chd then

[blissful rampart]

lossing dps when you swap chd mods for chc when you can just use ceska to instead your dps

[onyx sage]

yes

[hollow pasture]

Sigh into countdown we go
(tmrw)

Somehow don't have a ceska chest

[blissful rampart]

may the odds be ever in your favor!

[hollow pasture]

Speaking of HF
Is there any difference in a marine super 90 and a tactical super 90 SBS

Gonna look for one with pummel

[magic pilot]

Only when you don't have the extra chc roll

[magic pilot]

Same gun different name

[hollow pasture]

Trash or put dtooc on it

[onyx sage]

put dttooc on it for now until you get a better one

[hollow pasture]

I kinda wanna find one with dtooc on already so I can put future perfect for some utility with strikers tbh

[magic pilot]

All my weapons have Dtooc already so I can change the talent

[slate wedge]

bloody knuckles is so much stronger than i thought

[blissful rampart]

its strong just clunky

[tropic topaz]

what it do?

[slate wedge]

yeah, i always thought it was bad because it was WD but now i learned that it is actually TWD

[hollow pasture]

Good but cumbersome talent

[magic pilot]

25% TWD for 20s after hitting an enemy with melee or grenade

[slate wedge]

great if you are already in cqc/if you are already proccing sledgehammer

[magic pilot]

Or on boss burns

[vestal ibex]

Pretty sure you can hot swap and keep the buff.

[slate wedge]

inefficient tho

[vestal ibex]

What?

[slate wedge]

it doesnt work

you can keep the buff icon while hotswapping but the damage doesnt change until the buff runs out

bro wtf

[vestal ibex]

Am I having a stroke reading this?

[slate wedge]

bloody knuckles give the exact same damage as contractors on crits

without the buff

[slate wedge]

actually i think the firing range is broken

[vestal ibex]

it's always broken tho.

[slate wedge]

yup

[vestal ibex]

Naw the hot swap works in the shooting range.

[vestal ibex]

270139 w/bloody knuckles no buff
337673 w/bloody knuckles buff
357853 w/grupo gloves and bloody knuckles buff

This is just ceska/striker chest and backpack and swaping bloody knuckles to grupo gloves after getting the buff, all items at max stats. No stacks aswell. I'm not sure what you think I was suggesting in the first place.

[slate wedge]

then mine was broken, it just gave the same damage numbers for all types of pieces lll

[slate wedge]

ok thats good to know but i don't think it is worth it in an actual fight

[vestal ibex]

On love birds you could apply sledge and bloody knuckles and be in your inventory ready to swap once you hear the boom. Honestly it's just an advaced thing to do and the couple of seconds you are swaping might be better used shooting them but killing them only takes about 20 seconds anyway.

options

[slate wedge]

yeah lovebirds is the only place i can see it being useful

[azure thistle]

@vestal ibex i know some people that use sledgehammer on a sidearm

instead of having to swap weapons

in inventory

[slate wedge]

does that even work?

[azure thistle]

Yup

[vestal ibex]

I never suggested that.

[azure thistle]

Sidearm on a shotgun pistol, pull out the pistol before the grenade goes off swap back to primary weapons

You said be in your inventory ready to swap when you hear the boom @vestal ibex

I misunderstood i guess my b

[onyx sage]

it's swapping gloves, not gun

[vestal ibex]

This was about bloody knuckles hotswap. You'd just hold a lefty when you go into your inventory.

[azure thistle]

Yeah i read that wrong lol my bad

[vestal ibex]

This is all over the top tho.

[azure thistle]

And yeah lefty being the only thing with perfect sledge is irreplaceable

lefty op

But yeah this is somewhat of a sweaty conversation

😂

[vestal ibex]

Gotta go fast yo lol

[azure thistle]

Hahahaha im slow panic

[vestal ibex]

Relax I bet your quick.

[azure thistle]

On apex im quick

Other games im still learnin

I play apex ranked pred lobbies no problem no stress, i get into division 2 and hear 47 exploder drones beeping above my head and im immediately shitting myself

[onyx sage]

luckily you're in the build advice channel with the least sweaty people

[mighty flame]

exuro looks interesting to use

is there a build for it yet?

[abstract night]

Any builds for nemisis?

[vestal ibex]

The sniper or descent?

[mighty flame]

I think he meant sniper

I noticed his lfg for it in console lfg

[shy willow]

Doesn't stage left also have perfect sledge

[fickle light]

it does but lefty = ACS which = fast stacks

[hexed steppe]

chainkiller chest, airaldi vigilance bag, 4pc hotshot. hsd and handling everywhere

[vestal ibex]

Stage left is also a rifle so it wont do opportunistic for the healer. Stage left is just sad yo.

[hexed steppe]

i use stage left on my eclipse build, primarily so i dont have to split my ammo between lefty or scorpio

[mighty flame]

is there such thing as a exuro build yet?

im a little interested in it even if its bad

[thin patrol]

tuxedo bandido should probably have a meta build

[sullen sun]

Tux made this build. Wouldn’t it be more affective with Coyotes?

[urban latch]

Memento will give you some survivability at the cost of damage

Outside that it's basically a focus striker with poor gun choices

[sullen sun]

I think he was emphasizing the new gun but I see what you mean

[gentle lichen]

Drop the grown or born great and get a c7 or famas with a damage talent or fast hands

If you're playing from long range assuming focus then acs is not doing much

[sullen sun]

What would I replace it with?

[gentle lichen]

M1a cqb w/Boomerang is what i use but only when i stack on striker's with famas

Using m1a outright isn't good

[sullen sun]

Optimist ok?

[gentle lichen]

It can work

[sullen sun]

Better?

[gentle lichen]

Your coyote's buff is usually going to stay 15-25 to 25m+

Should have your chc accordingly to your 15-25m buff

So around 50% chc is best

[sullen sun]

What would be the better choice, striker mask?

[gentle lichen]

I personally use a ceska holster but as for you that'd be a ceska mask

See if that fits you

[shy willow]

Is this for leggy?

[sullen sun]

No mask unfortunately, I’ll use the holster

[sullen sun]

Come again

[shy willow]

Legendary

[sullen sun]

It’s for Incursion or leg

[shy willow]

I'd run obliterate or the strikers chest instead of pristine example for the incursion

[ionic frost]

What’s the drop rate of the ouro?

[rapid sable]

Imo ur guna need more survivability for leg so unbreakable is a good choice especially on a build as weak as striker but obliterate is good too

[rich cosmos]

1% on every incursion boss, 10% on final box

[ionic frost]

My luck is horrible 😭😭😭

[ashen bear]

I know dttooc is king ...but I am tempted

[round zinc]

would gr9 be technically the best lmg all around just because it can proc focus?

[round zinc]

1754...
does it have striker

[shy willow]

Survivability is useless on legendary

You're gonna wanna kill everything before you get overrun so sacrificing damage isn't great

[astral kraken]

unless you're shield peeking a couple blues makes no diff, but helps when taking a few shots from an unknown spot

if running striker for example

leg enemies are squishy

[slate wedge]

don't think so

iron lung with obliterate is 12.8% better than gr9 with perfect focus

[round zinc]

fr?

would it at least beat iron lung in sustain if i use steady hand

[onyx sage]

i need to see the calcs

[forest forum]

Any1 know what this is? And perhaps where to find more? TIA

[astral kraken]

receiver components

there's a chance to get them when you deconstruct weapons

[forest forum]

Oh okay ty i guess i always had plenty never did see what it was or for but its been awhile since i deconstruct weapons since i been building up my expertise lvl

I finally upped to lvl 7. Any1 know the highest?

[glad heart]

Think it is 23, but not sure

[fallen comet]

its not chance, you get it every time

[rapid sable]

Yea like i said it was imo everyone thinks different and the damage sacrafice is minimal i still hit nearly a mill doimg coyote striker running unbreakable and can survive the extra bullet if a mistake is made

[forest forum]

Is legendary impossible for group under 500 lvl .. guess it def depends on the mission

[hexed steppe]

with the release of the new gear, expertise max is 24 now

[forest forum]

Awesome

[fallen comet]

each season it goes up by 1

[hexed steppe]

target weapons, its the biggest bang for getting expertise level up. anything that wont donate break and youll fill up on the receiver components as well 😉

[forest forum]

I did not know that, thx a billion.

[hexed steppe]

have you crafted any imporvised gear yet? thats also another quick source to get 6 items that dont drop proficient. its 20 donations each for improvised, named, and weapons to make them proficient

[forest forum]

Are you talking about this?

[dense seal]

Standard Exuro, is dependent on Skilled Activation.

Memnto is more user friendly and offers more than Exuro BP (25% weapon and turret Damage) at Max stack Memento will offer 30% Weapon damage, Turret Damage, Status Effect and Skill Haste. Still somewhat reliant on Skilled Activation. Though due to loss of Vile, it does end up slightly weaker.

Credit to @bitter sable for finding this one.
BY FAR the most powerful Exuro build. Very hard to Farm for though, can go with 2 Wyvern or 1 Wyvern 1 Electrique for now. Tag Team essentially removes the cooldown of the turret though you will need some form of static skill like the drone to follow around to consistently active it.

[dense seal]

Nope. Considering pretty much all LMG can proc Focus. Obviously except Exotics. And then the Iron Lung exists.

[round zinc]

would it be marginally better than other non exotic lmg because the default 8x is 5% chc?

[dense seal]

GR9 is pretty much at the bottom of the list when it comes to LMG. So no.
Essentially, the L86 will always do 21% more.

[ashen bear]

Yes.

[round zinc]

huh,good to know

[round zinc]

i was half expecting the answer to be no tbh

im disappointed

[ashen bear]

Was too excited to swap off from my paradise lost build

[dense seal]

In short, when it comes to LMG, the only ones "worth using" are L86 and RPK for High End. And now that Iron Lung is out, well, yeah. Even without Perfect Focus. Iron Lung either wins or is close enough to not matter.

[ashen bear]

Damn, thought the negev had some potential

[round zinc]

i thought slepnir was good

[ashen bear]

Same, that one too

[dense seal]

Slepnir is a hidden contended, and it "technically" the best. Though in order to utilise it you need to be peaking/out of cover and shooting something that is not suppressed. Considering Slepnir has the highest rate of Surpessing and like I said to make full use of it you too need to be out of cover, if you take too much damage and have to hide, you have wasted the entire thing.

Slepnir is typically reserved more for Raid and Incursion bosses as they do not take cover and you have an organised team to support/heal you

L86 still beats Negev by 13%

Iron Lung Beats L86 by 14%,

[hexed steppe]

Yes , for each gear type

[dense seal]

Think of it this way. ROF acts as a DPS multiplier.
So you do X DPS * 1.05 for Rate of Fire.
DTOOC acts much in the same way but to enemies out of cover only. Though it is 10%.
So you do X DPS * 1.1.

The pros to ROF is that it will always be active.
Although DTOOC is more, if only applies to enemies Out Of Cover. We mostly do not have issue with this as we can either push, get a head shot or throw a nade to get them out.

[astral kraken]

can't forget about stack building and how ROF interacts w/ that

for striker i mean

[dense seal]

5% will not make a differnce worthy of mention at all

[astral kraken]

no freakin way

15% is a game changer

completely changes the efficacy of guns like scorpio in difficult situations

[dense seal]

15% from striker's yes, the 5% roll though. No.

[astral kraken]

and allows building full stacks with ARs + fast hands much much faster

yea good point about that, i was more generalizing about ROF

[tawdry flare]

Use acs for stacks

Acs has more dps than famas you get stacks quick

[astral kraken]

really depends on the situation. yes acs is perfect when you can get close and trade.

[tawdry flare]

What about class cannon for the chest

[astral kraken]

but you still need to build stacks at medium range and its nice being able to do so

[tawdry flare]

You can do it with acs at medium range the damage sucks that's about it

Also the accuracy depending on the target

[dense seal]

You lose uptime on the turret. and with a cooldown of 40 seconds, that is 40 seconds of you sat there with a useless set doing nothing because everything this set has ia about that damn turret

[astral kraken]

i dunno i run the acs almost exclusively and only reliably build stacks when im in their face

[tawdry flare]

You have your other skill also

[dense seal]

That mostly does nothing

[slate wedge]

i think negev with frenzy is pretty good too but gets beaten on dps by sleipnir

[dense seal]

Or L86 and RPK with Frenzy

[slate wedge]

yeah they are great too but don't really benefit that much from frenzy compared to like a stoner, gr9 or negev

in terms of dps and sustained they are way better tho

they just don't feel as crazy

[dense seal]

They actually benefit more. Although they do not get as large of a damage boost due to a small mag, the diffiernce is quite small. It is AWD after all.
You then have to take into account how long it takes to reload, where you able to use the full buff. Out side of raids I very rarely get to use full frenzy at 100 rounds simply because I die.
50 rounds though, easily done. So in terms of uptime. L86 with Frenzy of the course of it's performance, actually wins.

[tawdry flare]

With creeping death gc exuro 👀

[hexed steppe]

Exuro is shit all around tho. Just eclipse and be gold

[tawdry flare]

We all know that don't we

They should have at least given it to bypass fire immunity of hostile npcs

Also made it immune to emp

Only to the turret

[hexed steppe]

Well eclipse can do that too 😅

[tawdry flare]

And reduce 3s duration on cooldown on kill

They tried to copy fire crest and failed miserably

[dense seal]

You still have the issue of if you have no turret, now what?

[tawdry flare]

We cam give it some sort of reset skill like the mantis has with decoy

We can use killing with a weapon will reset the cooldown and will wait till the turrent goes on cooldown

[dense seal]

That does not help with what the set is right now.

[tawdry flare]

The main problem is eclipse existence

[dense seal]

There are many things they could do with sets, though sadly, I do not forsee any of them being usefull. Prime example is Tip Of The Spear.
Perfectly balance, well rounded set, worked well in the current meta and performed beautifully.
Now it is mostly dead.
There are a few niche builds for it, though it has fallen from being a BIS build to the Youtubers NEW META, ONE MAN ARMY, SHRED SOLO LEGENDARY WITH EASE!

[tawdry flare]

YouTuber's build are the real meta build /s

I didn't like the tots rework too

They just fucked a gear set for no reason

Should have fixed the named Brazos bag

Cause the talent is still bugged

[dense seal]

Even then, I would still be pretty bad, it would just be the best we have available. The largest issue with Exuro is the turret, which is also simmultainiously the best thing.

The entire set revolves around it.
With Eclipse, it is just Status. Blind, Bleed, Fire, Shock, it does not matter. A Status will do. This adds variety, sure, some status are better than others, but we can use Eclipse for CC, Debuff, Buff, and Damage.

Exuro = I have a turret. Just run a normal skill build. . . . .

[tawdry flare]

Also the turrent locks you when you aim with it cooldown starts when destroyed maybe should have been like decoy

[slate wedge]

can't argue with that, i just thought about the pure values, not about the practicality

btw on the topic of the lmg reload trick

i can do it with iron lung but not eirh my negev, why is that?

[tawdry flare]

Cause you lack practice

[slate wedge]

on normal you can clear every mission with only a jammer pulse and an eclipse build

[tawdry flare]

Me and raucey have tried it with sleipner

[dense seal]

For me, the Exuro Fire Turret should be that anyway. What Exuro should do is have the Turret Target and Chase people. A homing 360 Fire Turret. Then change the wording from being all "Turret this and turret that" to "Fire Skill" Done

[tawdry flare]

And it goes with the talent on sleipner

[dense seal]

You should be able to, I had reports of people doing it with the M870 . . . . .

[slate wedge]

well, i got it consistently with the iron lung

may wanna try later today again

[slate wedge]

oh thats nice, then you could also use it along with the versatile talent

[hexed steppe]

Doesnt decoy also start its cooldown when destroyed?
Traps start cooldown once thrown

[tawdry flare]

Yeah shou change the cooldown mechanic on turrent to make it somewhat useful

[hexed steppe]

It acts like every other turret

[tawdry flare]

The reload trick work as long as you have empty mag in your weapon you are trying to trick also use swap chain

[dense seal]

All I know is, Exuro = bad. There is not much point in running it.
There are minimal uses for it, such as spawn trapping, but this requires a coordinated team as well as Head hunter Fury Exists.
Why wait for everything to slowly burn to death when I can one shot then entire thing?

[tawdry flare]

People have their Fetish I guess

I just think of it as a fail firecrest copy

When was the last time we got a good gearset

[slate wedge]

it is bad but also really cool because it is innovative

[tawdry flare]

Heartbreaker?

[dense seal]

I suppose, I just do not get why something would be introduced if it isn't at least competative. Something to at least shake up the way we play.
For me, and I am certainly not alone, Exuro is just Decon on sight and get More matts which I do not need.

[slate wedge]

because they don't properly test the game?

[tawdry flare]

Innovative is fine but what is the point if it is not worth the stash space

[dense seal]

I think they do, or at least the ETF, though this just brings their judgement into question.

I personalyl believe it is just lack of experience/understanding in their own game.

[tawdry flare]

I don't think we had a good gearset since heartbreaker about an year ago

[tawdry flare]

Good luck on skills incursion clear

[hexed steppe]

Hotshot

[tawdry flare]

3 pcs hotshot

It's only good cause of determined in it's current state

[slate wedge]

we only had really niche gearsets

[hexed steppe]

And? Even in 3pc isnt it top damage on snipers

[slate wedge]

it is i think

[hexed steppe]

And with determined 4pc works great 🤣

[dense seal]

Not happening now.

[open kettle]

Out of curiosity, have you compared the dps of sleipner vs scorpio or ourobos (assuming overcharged booster)? My idea is that it might be worth using for lovebirds boss burn but too lazy to do the math (and not even sure if frenzy gives AWD or TWD)

[tawdry flare]

What happened raucey and soul were discussing strategies the other day

[dense seal]

Hotshot is also prett bad and mostly mad redundant simple because Head hunter just does more than the entire set possible could.

[slate wedge]

AWD

[tawdry flare]

You can with the reload trick

The only good thing is 2pc and 3 pcs hotshot bonus

[hexed steppe]

Doesnt headhunter scale from weapon damage?

I guess DOD uses all highend sniper build 😅

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but for that only 2 and 3pcs bonus is enough

Vigilance will be you more lol

[slate wedge]

headhunter with 4 pc hotshot and a determined white death

insane for cleaning control points

[dense seal]

Need to adult, back soon.
@open kettle Sleipnier can out DPS Oreo, just barely, but it is hard to manage.
@tawdry flare I missunderstood the asignment so left because it is not what i wanted.
@hexed steppe I have a video on it, not sure if i can post here, but no, not just AWD.

[hexed steppe]

You can us hotshot with vigilance, correct?

[tawdry flare]

Remove determined than hotshot 4pcs becomes difficult

[slate wedge]

its base dps with the buff is like 1.3m

but since you get AWD from other sources aswell this will shrink to the level of oreo probably

[sullen sun]

🦊 🙏 or Contractors with HS?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah and 1 foxes or 321 for more DMG

[sullen sun]

Age old question

[slate wedge]

thats why i said it should be used

[gentle lichen]

Pve or pvp?

[sullen sun]

Pve

[gentle lichen]

Foxes

[open kettle]

Good to know, saves me the hassle of testing it then. 😅

[tawdry flare]

Yeah ik that is why I said take the talent and it becomes difficult

[slate wedge]

thats why i said it should be used

[tawdry flare]

We are gonna be locked in an eternal cycle

[slate wedge]

seems like it

[hexed steppe]

So does hotshot offer the path for highest sniper damage regardless of how many pieces used? Because if it does this back and forth is pointless

[tawdry flare]

No I guess 321 ftw

[hexed steppe]

3hs 2hg 1airaldi?🤔
Just clarifying

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[slate wedge]

wouldn't 3hs 1hb 1ai and the gift be better?

[gentle lichen]

That'd be 15% hsd instead of 15% mmr

[sullen sun]

2 hg?

[gentle lichen]

Habsburg

[sullen sun]

I’m running chainkiller and Airaldi

[hexed steppe]

Feel free to DM it.
I know hh takes into account more than awd. I was just noting that hotshot has the highest source of mmr damage. Double what aces gives... I dont see how it is redundant when it has taken the top spot for mmr builds... especially with tips getting shit on and aces being weak in comparison...
🤷‍♂️

[gentle lichen]

Chainkiller is only an increase to the initial headhunter damage

The cap is the same

[sullen sun]

Soooo I need to update mine then?..

[gentle lichen]

So theoretically 2pc habsburg is optimal

Not really you won't need that much dmg

[hexed steppe]

Yeah habsburg. I actually run hs with chainkiller and memento

[gentle lichen]

Assuming all reds

[astral kraken]

aren't the variances btwn these chainkiller builds pretty minor?

like +/- 1 million dmg

[gentle lichen]

There is some difficulty in 2 shotting elites with player scaling with memento

[sullen sun]

Momento huh? You don’t notice a decrease in dmg?

[gentle lichen]

2-3 scaling

But solo memento is best

[sullen sun]

Interesting

So vigilance isnt necessary?

[gentle lichen]

If with players

If solo you're pretty much even 1 shotting vets which are at every activity

So you always get your hh

I play with no scope so having a scope is going to push the damage even more

[hexed steppe]

I mean sure. But during the event I'm hitting around 46-50m
Outside of event it's like 23-25m
.
As long as I choose my initial target right I'm gold. I also use turret and drone to chew some stuff up. Tech memento 2 cores and the 30% efficiency on it is good for that

[gentle lichen]

Already forgot about reanimated

[hexed steppe]

🤣

[gentle lichen]

Hh hf with event is arguably faster

[astral kraken]

~24m here as well but with 3p hs, vig araldi, chainkiller. first shot is ~8.8m

oh and mantis

[sullen sun]

Mantis is underrated

[astral kraken]

well for the event d50 hh is unmatched

just due to rate of fire and reload speed

[hexed steppe]

Yeah right now its 1shotting anything without a helmet... throw a red bar hyena rusher and they can eat 50m no problem. Little spice and they off running again

[gentle lichen]

For dedicated pvp snipers white death no scope/mantis/nemesis are meta

Mantis still gets the buff even when players shoots you

[astral kraken]

i haaaaaaaaaaaate white death

[sullen sun]

If anyone knows anyone in Ubi tell them I want a Gold exotic Sniper that deals caustic dmg in the next update

[sullen sun]

So no scope at all?

[astral kraken]

aiming and reloading is so sloooOOOooooww

[sullen sun]

It’s so good

[astral kraken]

i'm still running it 😂

[gentle lichen]

If you reload 1 bullet then it's slow

I deplete the ammo

[hexed steppe]

Make sure to let eevee know so she can bring it up when planning y5s4

[astral kraken]

aiming from non-aim position is really slow too

[gentle lichen]

And target acquisition is the fastest with no scope

[hexed steppe]

No reload on 4pc hotshot 😎

[astral kraken]

still feels slow :/ plus mantis gives you the little head icons which is really really nice when things get cRaZy

smoke etc etc

[sullen sun]

Right exactly

[gentle lichen]

Smoke?

[sullen sun]

Interesting..

[astral kraken]

er, fog. and fire. and all the particle effects.

[hexed steppe]

Environmental stuff

[gentle lichen]

So long as you don't miss!

[gentle lichen]

I don't even try to snipe anymore with that

[hexed steppe]

Well you can as long as it's the first 2 shots out of mag

[gentle lichen]

It limits your initial aim assist and removes the red crosshair when it aims at an enemy

Rain/dust storm/fog are the shittiest

[marsh river]

whats the S tier dps build now? striker?

red

havent played in quite some time so im out of the loop

[magic pilot]

Striker

[round zinc]

blue striker ouroboros

you can probably put like 4 pfe mods on it and it would still go hard

(i have no number)

[dense seal]

Ouroborus with 5 Blue Cores actually does still out DPS St Elmos on the exact same build but with all Red Cores.

[round zinc]

how bout 6

[dense seal]

6 becomes iffy as that last core would typically be Coyotes.
Which then means we have to change quite a lot about the build just to get them "balanced" and not give one an unfair advantage.
But technically speaking, yes. Oreo will Out DPS most (Regulus exists) weapons on a 6 blue build

[cyan drift]

For people making their first (or a typical) DPS build, this is on sale at the clan vendor

[round zinc]

good to know
wait aren you that guy on youtube

[cyan drift]

you're never gonna guess who is selling this

[dense seal]

No. I am just a guy. That on occasion puts Spreadsheets on Youtube.

[round zinc]

at this point just shoot the vendor

[cyan drift]

turning rogue would be worth it

[marsh river]

whut. tell me more? i dont know about this ouroboros

[round zinc]

yea the uh

.45 vector with 1350 rpm at base,50 round mag,less than 2 seconds cooldown,20% chd mod and 10% rof mod

[cyan drift]

whoa 👀

[round zinc]

it outdps everything

[dense seal]

Except Regulus

[marsh river]

rly

an exotic vector.. ive dreamed of that for a long time

and its actually good?!

[round zinc]

fair

[marsh river]

so what about the talent? does it build into some kind of wombo combo or what?

[round zinc]

also enlighten me:regulus is only a technicality right

[marsh river]

regulus for aimbot

lmao

[round zinc]

like say i am fighting Wright,unless i have a team setup,regulus doesn't sound like a dps strat

[dense seal]

No, the technicality is that Regulus has a theoretical DPS of Infinite.
Oreo does not.

[round zinc]

the number has to stop right

like how do you do infinite dps

[vestal ibex]

I think the point that's being made is the DPS of regulus can't really be defined cause it is situational.

[magic pilot]

You can reach the dmg cap with regulus

[dense seal]

On the Right build Regulus can one shot entire groups of enemies. The damage does not change per enemy, if the head shot explosion hits 20 mill, everything in range will hit 20 mil.
Now put 10 enemies in range. 50, 100. It doesn;t matter, they will all get one shot.
Oreos DPS although very might, will have to deal with them 1 - 3 at a time (3 if using Negotiators)

[magic pilot]

You could even say nego chest with 5 stacks and it doesn't compare to regulus potential dps

[round zinc]

oh i see what it is now.
the dps is high cuz you can do that to multiple targets

[dense seal]

Although, at this point, you are comparing the capability to one shot everything (Alpha Damage) to repeatedly shooting (DPS)

Again though, Theoretical. When is the last time you had 100 enemies come flying out of a door?

[vestal ibex]

Oh the times shooting hyenas out the door and it's a rusher....

[dense seal]

Even without that though. Head hunter is the most powerful thing in the game.
The entirety of Striker's HeartBreaker and Umbra even multiplied together is still out performed by HH.

Just in case. . . . .

[round zinc]

who is that poor fucker you shot there

[tropic topaz]

i wish that was me

[round zinc]

🤨

stay safe my friend

THATS A CRIT LMAO

WHAT

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio ftw

[cold mason]

when optimizing wepon perks i can optimize each one of the gun it doesnt lock it out to 1 slot only like with recalibration?

[covert meadow]

Problem is devs made it to where 1 you must have a subscription to an online service to even achieve it.

Not everyone can afford these high-end subscription, the developers did not take that into there equation

Secondly you only have a 10% chance of even getting the gun once a week...

You can continue trying to get it at 1% and thirdly if you don't have a team you will not get it unless you are extremely lucky.

Matchmaking I've been involved most have no idea what there doing, and usually quit after a 3rd wipe if your lucky to make it that far.

Imo the developers drop the ball extremely bad on this, especially after all this time, they made most items achievable through the pass.

Personal I've given up trying to get it, the Tactical Vector used with some blues n red will almost get you the same result.

[tawdry flare]

Yup infinite optimization as long as you have the materials but optimising not fully recalibrated slot will lock it for further recalibration

[cold mason]

one more question the hyenas tactical assessment bundle blueprint where can i buy it

[bronze hound]

Infinite dps is impossible

That would indicate you're doing infinite damage in a finite number is seconds

[tropic topaz]

i mean, dont all playstation multiplayer games require subscription?

[covert meadow]

Noped not all, and the division was built on the ability to not need it as well. This has been this way since day 1

[hollow pasture]

Free 2 play games don't require a sub
Any other game does
I don't see why division 2 would be an exception

[bronze hound]

Because capitalism

[covert meadow]

The Division 2, was created to be both, and it has always been anything released was achievable through the season pass, it was not until season 5 they changed this.

Imagine doing this in season 4? Most would not have there precious elmo...

[bronze hound]

Huh?

[tropic topaz]

wasn't elmo added last season? that was like, season 12

[bronze hound]

What does this have anything to do with subscription services

[hollow pasture]

??????
The raids required you to team up to get the exotics
That also required a sub

This is nothing new?

[covert meadow]

Well that's what I meant, I should said last season...

[bronze hound]

Is a console player arguing about how online services requiring a subscription is unfair

What's going on here

@hollow pasture nice name btw

[hollow pasture]

It's unfair but look why would div 2 break that rule

Wtf are massive gonna do
Stand up to Microsoft or Sony

[bronze hound]

Here's what massive will do

ㅤ

ㅤ

ㅤ

[hollow pasture]

It's my job to preach to people to not do this
And guide them in the right way

[covert meadow]

Yup with the raids it is, but guess what, most stuff in raids can be had through Drops in open world to, from understanding

[bright raptor]

the exotics aren't

[covert meadow]

Elmo actually is through summit..

[bronze hound]

Not explicitly

[hollow pasture]

The raid exotics are in Dz with a horrible low chance
But they are not in the light zone

[bronze hound]

Eagle bearer, ravenous, and regulus are not open world

EB and rav have a 0.024% drop chance per kill in dz (1 in 4100)

[hollow pasture]

Actually I'm pretty sure you need a sub to even go into the dz

[bronze hound]

Regulus you outright cannot obtain without raiding period

[covert meadow]

Well hey yall enjoy, only thing I'm saying is they developers could have done better.

As I said for those that can't achieve this, it's not a total loss.

Use the Tactical vector at full max stats it works just as well.

[bronze hound]

Massive can't fix Sony if that's what you're expecting

[magic pilot]

Tactical vector isn't even close to oreo btw

[marsh river]

if ourobos is so good, why everyone uusing elmo

[tropic topaz]

thats a pretty good chance, id take it

[hazy steeple]

@marsh river Elmo is incredibly easier to get, especially with the recent Chest glitch.
and Elmo is also still really good.

[marsh river]

what glitch is that?

[tropic topaz]

the chest not resetting

[marsh river]

huh?

[magic pilot]

Elmo gets blown out of the water by oreo dps wise, Elmo just has better range and handling due to it being an AR

5 blue core Oreo striker will do more dps than 6 red core striker Elmo build

[marsh river]

deng

[random parcel]

but u'd still need to get an oreo 1st.... 🤣

[magic pilot]

I have one

1.7m armor ^

It's very easy to get. Plenty of discords offer carry's through the incursion

[hazy steeple]

@magic pilot Can't link your own channel.

[round zinc]

read the actual convo

[magic pilot]

That makes no sense

I can link someone else's channel but not mine

[marsh river]

guess i gotta grind incursion then huh

is that hard ? never done it

[magic pilot]

No it's easy

[marsh river]

soloable?

[hazy steeple]

Self-promotion has been banned on here for literal years now, you know that.

If we allow it through, you get people spamming twitch links every 30 seconds. As the logs prove.

[hollow pasture]

What's hard is the rng
Various box openings and even boss kills
Not a single oreo

Where's my 1% luck 😭

[hazy steeple]

It should be noted that there's no RNG protection, so each boss you kill, you have a 99% chance to not get it.

[vestal ibex]

Also chance doesn't stack. 100 times at 1% chance doesn't mean you'll get it.

[hazy steeple]

Yeah that's what I meant by "rng protection".
It's a thing in some games. Would be nice in div2.

[hollow pasture]

Oh I know this
I'm just bemoaning my luck

[vestal ibex]

As someone who has now run it about 130 times I've had 3 drop for me from bosses and 0 from the box. I've only run 1 character and could have done many box openings but meh.

[onyx sage]

in gacha games it's also known as "pity"

[vestal ibex]

Mercy rules is what I know them as.

[bronze hound]

that doesnt change what i said lol

[covert meadow]

And what did you use that was oh so great before your so highly touted oreo @magic pilot

[vestal ibex]

Most used famas, C7, Police M4, or the elmo. They are all pretty close so it's preference.

[covert meadow]

Exactly... lol

Police m4 will always be my go to over everything period.

[hollow pasture]

Personal fav is the honey badger tbh

[round zinc]

you are just pretending to be stupid at this point

[bronze hound]

what

but infinite dps is literally impossible?

since dps has to be a number?

[vestal ibex]

I think what they meant was uncalculatable and used infinite in place of it.

[round zinc]

"No, the technicality is that Regulus has a theoretical DPS of Infinite.
Oreo does not."
"the number has to stop right
like how do you do infinite dps"
"On the Right build Regulus can one shot entire groups of enemies. The damage does not change per enemy, if the head shot explosion hits 20 mill, everything in range will hit 20 mil.
Now put 10 enemies in range. 50, 100. It doesn;t matter, they will all get one shot.
Oreos DPS although very might, will have to deal with them 1 - 3 at a time (3 if using Negotiators)"
"Although, at this point, you are comparing the capability to one shot everything (Alpha Damage) to repeatedly shooting (DPS).Again though, Theoretical. When is the last time you had 100 enemies come flying out of a door?"

[bronze hound]

but it is calculatable

saying infinite is a misrepresentation

[round zinc]

i am literally quoting the entire thing

[bronze hound]

i know

[round zinc]

what part of theoretical do you not understand

[vestal ibex]

ehhh if you define a situation sure but on the potential side of things you can one shot 5 enemies and it be only 5 or 20.

[bronze hound]

theoretical means, all things perfect, it can happen

[bronze hound]

dps is and will always be measurable

[round zinc]

yes.
and the perfect scenario presented here is that there is enough enemies cluttered around for you to kill with regulus

[bronze hound]

that would still not reach an infinite dps

[round zinc]

if the number keeps increasing,then we have effectively achieved infinite dps,because the number never stops going up

[bronze hound]

infinity is not a number

[round zinc]

it is a state

how dumb do you want to pretend to be

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but I think the point is that DPS isn't easy to calculate if you can one shot 1 enemy and kill a group of 4-6 people or is it just one person?

[bronze hound]

no need to be rude

[round zinc]

im not very in the mood for this

[bronze hound]

then youre free to not argue with me

[vestal ibex]

"I can always just stop talking."

[round zinc]

you pinged me and then you asked me to stop replying to you

wow

[hollow pasture]

Why so aggressive

Let's all be friends

[bronze hound]

if you one-shot one enemy you have the number for that enemy. all the enemies next to it the numbers are also calculable. but since you one-shot, you cant measure dps whatsoever; its undefined

[round zinc]

im done for tonight

[bronze hound]

you cant measure dps if you one-shot

its simply undefined

[magic pilot]

I don't understand why you are so against oreo being good

[tropic topaz]

you can measure dps if s is for shot

[bronze hound]

lol

[magic pilot]

Like it's factually one of the best weapons in the game

[vestal ibex]

Yeah sure but what about regicide?

[bronze hound]

but yeah you cant measure the dps of something with a ttk of zero

because division by zero is undefined

(unless dividing 0 by 0 but im not getting into that rn)

[vestal ibex]

You guys are literally supporting what I said at this point.

[hollow pasture]

I would be too tbh with such a waste of a talent

[tawdry flare]

Well a chunga without hh you can measure the dps

[tawdry flare]

Maruder drones regulus Achilles heel

[magic pilot]

The talent doesn't matter because the dps of the weapon out does 99% of weapons and builds utilizing weapons optimally

[bronze hound]

im agreeing with you

what im saying is, dps cannot be infinite; its either finite or undefined

[hollow pasture]

I'm mad cuz the way they are doing exotics is a disservice to the word exotic

[bronze hound]

100%

[hollow pasture]

It's just a gun with juiced up stats
Even st elmos talent has more substance

[bronze hound]

make them named weapons, drop the talent and add a named mod to it

[hollow pasture]

Might aswell not have a bloody talent

[tawdry flare]

Yup no doubt

Or rework exos

[bronze hound]

old exotics were awesome

[tawdry flare]

Instead they wasted time on tots "rework"

[tawdry flare]

Holstered talent ftw

[bronze hound]

i liked the second talents the guns had

the ones that just gave passive effects

i forget what the talents were called

were they just called passive talents?

[magic pilot]

I agree but I'm not going to try and argue that it's a bad weapon

It has poor design sure

[magic pilot]

Holstered talents

[bronze hound]

the other one

you had active talents and holstered talents, then you had the one in the middle where if youre holding the gun you get a boost

like jazz hands, optimal, precise

[magic pilot]

Passive talents

Ig? I can't remember

I'm looking at old pics and they don't have a name for that middle talent so whatever you wanna call it

[bronze hound]

rip

[hollow pasture]

It's not a bad gun but goes against what an exotic weapon should be
Good gun, interesting and useful talent

This might aswell have no talent

[magic pilot]

I agree

But I'm gonna use it because it's stupid strong

[shy willow]

Ouro?

[hollow pasture]

Oh I'll use it
It's just disappointing that it's talent is just a non factor 99% of the times

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[shy willow]

If only it had a more creative and useful talent

EB doesn't have ridiculous DPS or anything but it looks Hella cool and has funny talents I love that thing

[bronze hound]

it can be annoying as hell in dz

[shy willow]

Yeah tenacity seems like hell for pvp

[hollow pasture]

Today on Cruz's Incursion random build showcase

[shy willow]

Pve it's fun for just casual cuz the things Hella easy to use

[tulip charm]

Should someone tell him the state of tanks?

[shy willow]

What's that one for

[hollow pasture]

It's not for anything

[shy willow]

I only see them on iron horse now

[tulip charm]

Yeah thats the only place tanks actually have a purpose.

[shy willow]

3 piece umbra 2 piece striker with rof ouroboros

Sentient A-10 Warthog

[tulip charm]

I bet you cant wait for gb

[tropic topaz]

gb?

[shy willow]

Golden bullet ouroboros is about to be the single most broken thing

[blissful rampart]

no need to wait, Oreo is already the single most broken thing right now 😛

[shy willow]

Golden bullet will make it exponentially more broken

[flint wave]

Like it does with anything

?

[hollow pasture]

OK so theoretically what's the max rpm oreo will achieve with gb and if you stack strikers and umbra together

[shy willow]

God only knows

[hexed steppe]

determined is sitting in the corner wishing it didnt lose its title 😆

[tawdry flare]

5.11 I see you are a man of culture

[tawdry flare]

Determined hh

[hollow pasture]

I take that as an insult this fella is not me 😤

I would never run NINJA

[flint wave]

it's still broken

[shy willow]

Ouro isn't defeated by the mighty helmet tho

[hexed steppe]

so true 🤣

eff them helmets

[shy willow]

Determined cowers in the presence of hyenas

[flint wave]

simply run 100% handling build

then it's easy to hit the second headshot

[shy willow]

Don't you lose all your stacks once you hit the helmet

[flint wave]

yes

[vestal ibex]

My man, always shows the junk and never the user.

[hollow pasture]

I am not one to show people's names tbh
Not here to entice witch hunting

[flint wave]

No deathgrips?

I just realized

[vestal ibex]

I know. That's good thing and I commend it.

[tropic topaz]

i hope i won't end up on Cruz'd incursion random build showcase

[hollow pasture]

You won't
Not until div 3 and crossplay

[flint wave]

this man will see my build

[shy willow]

There was a guy running the restorer hive and reinforcer chem the other day

With hotshot

[hollow pasture]

Sniper healer didn't you hear
Hotshot heals ur whole team on headshot hits now

[bronze hound]

Average SHD 132

[shy willow]

Actually?

[flint wave]

Average shd 6000

somehow

[tawdry flare]

Average SHD 69*

[bronze hound]

I miss old deathgrips

[shy willow]

Well shit I've gotta try that now

[hollow pasture]

Or shd 5k running the most garbage ninja builds imaginable

[shy willow]

High shds are such a mixed bag

[vestal ibex]

Yeah cause a high SHD might be bored and doing a build nerf to get more diff but they also know solo heroic is ez but might not change/care when going into pubs with more players.

On the other side it's just bad players with high SHD, nothing you can do to change their mind or help them.

[shy willow]

Ahhh that makes sense

[hollow pasture]

Nah these examples been in the incursion they just genuinely think they are doing insane damage

[shy willow]

Was this random matchmaking

[hollow pasture]

Always yea

[vestal ibex]

Oh yeah that happens too, we did a DH carry a couple weeks ago where this guy was like "wow this is nuts I'm hitting 1 mil crits" thinking he was doing all the damage.

[round zinc]

i ran into a shd 9k guy the other day in manning zoo

bro has the striker umbra ninjabag build

[vestal ibex]

Oreo at least?

[shy willow]

Bro was probably just taking the piss

[round zinc]

st elmo

[vestal ibex]

rip

[round zinc]

tbf it could have been a lot worse

like my tidal basin legendary teammate here

and here

[hollow pasture]

Man
I appreciate the usage of Bluescreen
But that build isn't it

[round zinc]

what the fuck is this suppose to be

[hollow pasture]

Lemme find the "healer" I found

[urban latch]

Based on the skill choices it looks like they forgot they were on a skill build

[round zinc]

idk if he wants to heal or sumthing cuz i see aint no healer back then

[abstract night]

Any pvp nemisis builds ?

[urban latch]

Nemesis is strong enough you don't really need a build for it, it can function as a long range secondary on most builds

If you want to one tap with WD then you need a more specific build

[onyx sage]

321 😉

jkjk i know it's pvp

[magic pilot]

321 works in pvp

[urban latch]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bZQjZhAXAizZOLYC33Y2DrwGP5KSxQOs

[onyx sage]

good to know also

[pearl lintel]

Thoughts? Any ideas to improve?

[patent fossil]

Pistol is spoiling the colour scheme

[livid horizon]

For real?

[urban latch]

I've been messing around with ouroboros on purple builds and running heroic missions with randoms. It's hilarious

[hollow pasture]

Can finally dip my oreo in milk
At last 😏

[magic pilot]

I'm gonna do this

[round zinc]

Bonus point if the chestplate has glass cannon

[hoary oracle]

You need another purple piece of providence for the mask

[bronze hound]

4 providence is cringe

[vestal ibex]

Just wear all 5.11 if you are going that far.

[solar venture]

trying to remember for Perfect HH, WD > HSD?

[blissful rampart]

HH scales off of WD. HSD is just there to unlock the talent (though extra HSD isnt bad but only minor buff)

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but it depends on what you are doing. You can go weapon handling vs HSD and have a better time sniping vs having a little more damage too.

[solar venture]

currently theory crafting a D50 determined build for my Hardcore, want to be able to farm SHD levels with 4-5 directives on

PD and Chainkiller are a must, wasn't sure if going Prov, Habsburg, Fox's

or going Contractor's, Fox's, and maybe farming for a Claws out

[blissful rampart]

Claws out not worth at all

theres a great HH guide on the spreadsheet, if you havent looked it over yet.

actually there might be 2 or 3 there.

[onyx sage]

raucey's guide is more practical

[green pumice]

This build is nasty with this global event. 1 shot everything. I wish I had ninjabike would make this build a bit better.

[onyx sage]

a bit better wouldn't be ninjabike but replacing punch drunk with d&h backpack + vig or concussion

[green pumice]

mehh punchdrunk goes hard.

[blissful rampart]

ninjabike bag makes builds worse not better FYI. its just not strong enough for what you give up (exotic slot + backpack talent + loss of 2 stats) .

[magic pilot]

Hsd- first shot dmg
WD- max stack dmg

[onyx sage]

you get too much hsd for it to be worth it

[magic pilot]

Personally I would run DCH over punch drunk on HF pistol

[green pumice]

ninja would make my shield much tankier its not like im missing dmg. but no worries this build works like this 😄

[magic pilot]

And a DH chest

[onyx sage]

i'd just run memento over ninjabike tbh

[magic pilot]

Ban him he linked his own video

[green pumice]

that works too. i havent seen ninja drop ever i got 1khours on pc lolol.

[magic pilot]

Ninja is never worth using

There's always a more optimal build

[green pumice]

Sorry, I will send someone else's next time that will showcase my build xd

[hollow pasture]

Only ninja build I use is strikers and umbra

[magic pilot]

Only reason I said that is because I linked a video showing a build I was using and it got deleted. Nothing against you

[solar venture]

looks good was planning to keep using Momento since thats my main backpack for my hardcore, added survivability is a godsend

[green pumice]

yeah i figured you where not serious.

[green pumice]

memento is crazy good for sure 🙂

[magic pilot]

I am mad yours didn't get deleted and mine did though🤣

[green pumice]

Just wait lol

[solar venture]

wondering how much of a dmg drop of it would be to go D&H Headhunter chest, Momento, 4p HF

[hexed steppe]

Memento would as well... and it would actually help the build

[green pumice]

yeah you right, i just hate collecting those trophys xd

[hexed steppe]

Guess I was late with that one 😅

[green pumice]

ninja would give me 4pc hunter

[hexed steppe]

Dh chest. Drop the mask

[urban latch]

I'm normally all about vigi, but with the shield glitch currently and global event Id honestly go memento, and the HF BP will be totally fine solo with the event

[green pumice]

meh more farming works like this

[onyx sage]

tbh yeah, i didn't go memento but bloodsucker. reanimated just carries

[hexed steppe]

Memento has been solid on my hotshot build even before reanimated doubling up the damage

[green pumice]

Reanimated -> Golden bullet.

[hollow pasture]

Uhhhh no
Both are great but no

[magic pilot]

DH chest and DCH

[solar venture]

wondering with Memento, how many armor cores can I get away with on a HF HH determined build on challenging difficulty

for my HC, and not start losing 1 shots on Elites

[magic pilot]

Challenging you can probably run 4-5 blue

If you have expertise

[pearl lintel]

Yeah! It’s my troll raid build. Been having a hard time finding the perfect chest piece. It’s sitting on almost 180% crit damage and 50% crit chances without coyote lol

[urban latch]

That's better than my purple build lol, I'm jealous

[slate wedge]

hi, quick question

is the bloody knuckles buff giving AWD, TWD or is it a seperate Amplifier

[blissful rampart]

its TWD

[late barn]

what’s the main dps chest talents rn

[tropic topaz]

obliterate?

[green pumice]

^

[livid horizon]

Glass cannon👍

[flint wave]

No

[hollow pasture]

Lol the difference between doing dps with oreo striker and any other weapon is night and day
Makes the incursion even easier

[slate wedge]

thanks

[dire finch]

Hey all, I'm a returning player. Have been playing for a couple weeks now and I am trying to work on a build for incursion. Is this decent? What would you change? https://imgur.com/a/TonjQ9I

[hollow pasture]

First most important
That skill haste in the chest needs to be replaced

[urban latch]

Overall, it's really solid. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that you need to upgrade the chest, but it's clear you know what your looking for.

Main thing, don't continue to optimize that st. Elmos. Ideally you'd recraft that until you get damage to targets out of cover on the third attribute.

[hollow pasture]

I think he's able to recal the skill haste off
Unless he already recaled in obli on it

[urban latch]

Also none if the striker gear is worth optimizing. The materials for optimizing are rare, and finding max rolled gearsets is not hard.

[dire finch]

I tried many times to replace skill haste but it says I don't have any elements even though I've extracted some attributes from other chest pieces. Does it lock the chest piece after changing one attribute?

[urban latch]

Everything does. You can only choose 1 thing per gear piece to recal.

[dire finch]

I can recall a talent? My bad I never got into fine details of build crafting. All I know is farm for right atrributes and slot in the right mods

So remove obliterate and change the attribute?

[urban latch]

Your locked into that now, but it's fine until you get something better.

You can recal the talent, but that means you can't recall other rolls on it. You can however recal what you already changed again, so you could change the talent on that as many times as you wanted.

[dire finch]

Ah I see. So just farm a better ceska chest with better atrributes and then replace the talent.

[hollow pasture]

The better roll attributes a piece has the less materials you need to optimise it if needed
So ideally you want rolls close to the max cap of said attribute
And then recal the talent you want into it if you didn't get obliterate already on the piece

[dire finch]

Gotcha. I'll try and farm some better chest pieces. Is a ceska chest good or are there better options? I've heard of other bags but also have heard that the strikers bag talent is must.

[hollow pasture]

Ceska is what you want there yes
And yes strikers bag is a must

[dire finch]

Alright. I'll keep it the way it is. Thank you. I Appreciate the advice.

[onyx sage]

i thought you knew already

[slate wedge]

i thought so too and i was right so jokes on the guy doubting me

[onyx sage]

let me at em

[delicate laurel]

Unleash binoculars on them

Secret weapon

[astral kraken]

try dodge city. you wont regret.

[weary mural]

Looking for iron lung PvP build

[ionic frost]

So for lady death what should I use, I’m going with cavalier, and 5.11, w shocker punch, for hazard protection

[bronze hound]

ew

pick a build from the spreadsheet (not cavalier)

[ionic frost]

Using cavalier for hazard protection lol not stats

[bronze hound]

hazpro with dps is lost damage unnecessarily

[shy willow]

If you want dps just go all in

[round zinc]

Speaking of

Booster hive better than hazpro anyway

Stop crutching on revive hive smh

Die like a man

Or woman

Or idk

[shy willow]

Been playing the incursion like I’m going for a flawless every time works great

No revive hive crutch

[round zinc]

W

Based

[sullen sun]

Who was it you said to get in touch with about my exotic sniper idea?

[bronze hound]

it was localdeck you spoke to, not azur

and he was referring to me as a joke lol

[sullen sun]

But you’re a dev :p

[bronze hound]

bruh

[strange heath]

Go either Hunter's Fury, or Strikers

A blue core heavy build doesn't have enough punch to make up for Breath Free damage stacks

Well what i mean is even at full stacks of Breath Free your damage output is lost

[ionic frost]

Ok I have both of them what should my stats be

[bronze hound]

with coyotes, chc around 50 and chd as high as you can

[proud badger]

where is this spread sheeet you speak of? is it the google docs one?

[shy willow]

Yup

[proud badger]

okay, i wasnt sure it was current because some of the stuff hasnt been updated in a few years

[shy willow]

It gets updated fairly regularly

[marsh river]

generic question for y'all. whats the one build you wish your random PUG teammate had when doing random heroic and legendary missions, summit and other non raid misc content etc?
striker dps? eclipse cc? FI healer? ongoing directive? something else?

the build u feel always contribute but rarely see

[round zinc]

Honestly any build that isn’t a turret+drone build

[marsh river]

i quite enjoy the support role, eclipse or heal, but i also feel like im hardly contributing. especially as healer, despite the obvious buffs it gives

[shy willow]

Eclipse cc and future healer are godsends

[astral kraken]

a proper cc build

tanks mostly suck and are situational at best

healers same thing

OD and debuffers are fine but there's no better debuff than dps 😉

[onyx sage]

some of it just remain staples for years because they're just that strong

[astral kraken]

if you're playing good cc and don't feel like you're contributing then it's your teammate's fault imo

for cc to work your teammates need 1) good dps and less survivability and 2) let you glue things down for them

[marsh river]

i see way too many drone builds

[astral kraken]

for example if you run cc and your dps player opens the fight then they're not using you properly

they need to let you open it up

[marsh river]

i got a random duo who were both running striker elmo, so i put on elcipse foam build, never seen enemies melting as fast. they were good shots and everything and my CC just played right into their strength

but most of the time its some gamer dad guy who set up a turret then goes afk to change daughters diaper

[astral kraken]

yep striker and cc is a match made in heaven

i mean turrets and drones exist... you expect no one to use them or something?

[marsh river]

actually yes

lmao

[astral kraken]

selfish

it's heroic missions not raids

[marsh river]

game's been out long enough for people to realize drones are dogwater

[astral kraken]

adapt to your teammates if you're really a "support" player

[marsh river]

=P

[astral kraken]

create a support build for skill builds or smth and have it ready

or leave the group and find someone else

[marsh river]

its so funny, when u go youtube and u find those clickbait videos "insane solo legendary build", and its just some guy with drone and sits behind cover for 35 minutes to kill one heavy weaons guy

i dont understand how ppl enjoy playing like that

[astral kraken]

you don't have to

to each their own

[marsh river]

i wish the hollowpoint tac 50 build was more consistent

the one that gives u infinite directive ammo for the specialist weapon

dont remember what the trick was or if they patched it

IIRC it didnt work if the tac50 killed the target

[lapis heart]

Whats everyone's best Exuro flame turret build this is what a quickly knocked together im unsure on what to go for chest peice and what talent any recommendations

Also possibly what other skill to pair with it because i was gonna use foam to hold NPC'S in place but the AOE is ridiculous so there's no escaping the radius it really is a crazy fun build

[round zinc]

i dont use exuro but if i were to use one i can recommend tag team or skilled to get the turret cooldown as low as possible

im not sure if tag team can recharge a skill while its active tho

and mayne use airburst seeker cuz multiple charge abilities screw with the loop a bit

[forest forum]

I been playing division for few months now after a bit coming from fortnite and nowwwww just realizing gear can lvl up proficient too. Gahhh! I didn't see it till i saw it. This game got so much to do lol.

[astral kraken]

best game ever

[shy willow]

So many possibilities and so much complexity

Yet everyone runs strikers lmao

Shame most gear has no real utility

[forest forum]

Fortnite or division. I'm assuming division. Fortnite helped me get over my fear getting shot at so i came back to division.

[hazy steeple]

Strikers is a gearset in div yeah.

Although I disagree that "most gear has no real utility".

[forest forum]

I def got my work cut out out now i can just see i got a lot to do now

[hazy steeple]

The good news is there is absolutely no reason to rush, game isn't going anywhere.

[shy willow]

I mean a lot of stuff gets straight outclassed

[forest forum]

Me not rushing while i try to do mission after mission all night after this lol

[hazy steeple]

Power creep overtime, sure.
but that doesn't mean everything else is bad. In fact, it's all still very good on Heroic, it's just that some stuff is better than very good.

[shy willow]

Sometimes I wonder how I could make imperial dynasty good

[hazy steeple]

Throw it at enemies, but first tape it to a brick.

[tawdry flare]

Use creeping death with it

[shy willow]

Cool-down is so long though

Actually would it be worth building around headshot damage if I wanted to use the EB

[dense lynx]

DZ builds

[fallen comet]

doesnt the cooldown scale with skill haste?

[shy willow]

For pve

[shy willow]

Not imperial dynasty’s I don’t think

[round zinc]

5.11

ratio

also imperial dynasty

also a vast selection of weapons that are inferior to something else

[hazy steeple]

You named 1 gearset, 1 exotic, then said most of the gear+guns in div2 sucks.

[shy willow]

Forge and claws out definitely up there

[round zinc]

tell me then: TKB vs all AK variants

all slow firing ARs vs TKB actually

[fickle light]

most of the gear+guns in div2 sucks

(i am lying)

[round zinc]

i mean we gotta define what is "suck" here

[hazy steeple]

You can pick specific examples of things as much as you like, but the point they made was "they have no utlility" is itself a bad one to try to make.

[round zinc]

something being inherently bad,sucks.
but does something being vastly outclassed by an existing gear/weapon count as suck

cuz what is the utility to using AUG or Richter

did something i just say get filtered

[hazy steeple]

Literally nothing has been filtered for several hours.

[fickle light]

last thing automodded was 2 hrs and change

can confirm

[round zinc]

huh ok

i thought i said something

like i swear i was saying something like aug having worse burst dps than base chameleon

[hazy steeple]

Why are you comparing an Exotic Vector and a high-end Aug?

[round zinc]

base gun with no talent

its not like every exotic is a stat stick like st elmo

infact cham is arguably the worst AR at base

and it still does more burst dps than aug and thats not even counting mods

[hazy steeple]

I have no idea if this is a bit or not, but it really does look like you're just copy+pasting random bits of reddit threads.

[round zinc]

which is doing it a favour(favor?)

autocorrect says its favour

[fickle light]

US VS UK spellings

[hazy steeple]

^ the lack of the letter u is an american thing, your auto-correct is set to british-english.

like Colour vs Color.

[fickle light]

spelluings

[round zinc]

de pee ess

[fickle light]

honor honour

[round zinc]

U

[lapis heart]

Yea i figured to put skilled on a electrique peice tried tag team didnt like it as much

[livid horizon]

Does Obliterate act like an amp if Strikers is used along side it (with backpack). It's not addative with the strikers bonus is it? (i'm 99% sure it isn't but just clarifying).

[tawdry flare]

Yup if you don't have any other twd source like an fi healer

[astral kraken]

@peak crescent Here's a quick video of that heroic directive thing I was talking about. I was pretty sloppy too. Once you get into the flow you can go even faster.

You can basically just run around doing all the open world stuff this way. It's fun and earns lots of XP.

Oh and it scales to 4 person heroic. You play it the exact same. You just need to rely on dodge city a bit more when opening up the fight.

[hollow pasture]

Game knew I needed a ceska chest with obliterate for my HF build 😌

[late barn]

give it to me rn

[hollow pasture]

You can have my grupo obli chest instead

OK so I'm currently sitting 3 %short of the CHC cap, I don't think it'll be that big of a deal but just for advice on how to get to the cap since putting a CHC mod would put me over the cap
When fully optimised I can probably get to 150 %chd

[hexed steppe]

Sometimes it'll just be a little under or over. 57 is a good spot

[bronze hound]

Shd 3200+ and doesn't have dttooc max on SMGs smh

[hollow pasture]

My smg usage revolves around
Lady death (now oreo)
And a Mpx with fast hands or safety distance
Trust me my shotgun recal bench is even worse

I went to recal a super 90 and saw my dtooc was horrible 😭

[urban latch]

Imo just go 63%

[bronze hound]

I'd take the 57 lol

[hexed steppe]

Yeah its slightly better at 57

[hollow pasture]

Yea I used to be at 63 but I recaled the max CHC on my holster to chd instead

[bronze hound]

Does ouro have a crit mod

[hollow pasture]

Yea

[bronze hound]

CHC or chd

[hollow pasture]

10 CHC and 10 chd

[bronze hound]

Okay

So the only thing with CHC is the vest

[hollow pasture]

Yes

[bronze hound]

Ok yeah I'd just stay at 57

[hollow pasture]

The CHC attribute and the ceska bonus

[bronze hound]

Yeah

10 watch + 21 attribute + 10 mod + 10 BSB + 6 attribute = 57

[tropic topaz]

i feel like i dont have enough crit damage..