td2-build-advice

[fathom thunder]

In general, are bloody knuckles better or coyote mask

[bright raptor]

Coyote's

[fathom thunder]

Thank you

[craggy thorn]

Hey , so why would people use fox prayer and contractor gloves in Raid all red dps build while the main weapon is AR ?

[blissful rampart]

because of their named stat (DTOOC and DTA) being very strong regardless of weapon

[delicate laurel]

foxes give DTOOC which if iirc is the only peice that gives that attribute

[blissful rampart]

they become a dps buff if your build doesnt need chc on them (so really only high end builds)

[tawdry flare]

Dta would be in same category if we had more health and less armour

[blissful rampart]

?

[tough linden]

is ths good, any suggestion's will be appreciated.

[urban latch]

if your not gonig to run dodge city holster than I would go with the HF version of the regulus build

[tough linden]

HF version? can you share the build link ?

[vestal ibex]

Open his profile click link>profit.

[blissful rampart]

build link on pinned spreadsheet

also that lol ^^

[urban latch]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/a7f5c11a-6dfd-226c-836b-18e272395d1c/44191b2cdedaa56a2ada9a1d98cefe71

[tough linden]

oh your the Evernote build persons, thanks for the simple expiation's of the builds 🫡

[orchid cloud]

Should I have a full set of striker that is all 170k armor and all maxed armor Regen?

[blissful rampart]

nope

reason being armor scales poorly for pve. and armor regen is a flat amount that is weak and is easily out classed by % armor on kill (ie gunner) and also % armor regen stuff also outclasses thouse flat regen.

[hazy valve]

Wats the highest possible armor regen amount lol

[blissful rampart]

something like ridgeway + FB

[obsidian cove]

hi guys i have some time now playing after finishing WARLORDS and i am trying to make a build but i don't know the game well enough. is there any chance someone can help me?

[vestal ibex]

Pinned spreadsheet has a build tab with all sorts of builds. If you have a preferred playstyle it makes it easier to suggest a build. The build guides are straight forward and easy to follow but if you get hung up just ask away.

[obsidian cove]

ok thx for the info bro, i will check there first

[craggy thorn]

Best build for solo open world xp farming ?

I mostly use
Ouroborus
4x striker - grupo chest - cayote mask

—-
Ouroborus
4x HF - grupo chest - soklov backpack

[tulip charm]

HH Regulus/Pistol Build is very common recommendation

[magic pilot]

Ridgeway, emperors, belstone, 2 golan other piece of choice all rolled armor regen

Personally I'd go memento over ridgeway

[tropic topaz]

is good?

[magic pilot]

No you got bad rolls on it

Ideally you want chc/chd so you can roll a red core for pve

[tropic topaz]

and i can't get it again now, right? :(

[magic pilot]

You can from the weekly vendor

[tropic topaz]

oh, good to know

[magic pilot]

Cassie

Or if you have another lvl 40 character you can open the crate on it

[tropic topaz]

wont i need another 8 keys tho?

[magic pilot]

No you get them automatically

[delicate laurel]

and another oreo

[blissful rampart]

personally i wouldnt go a armor regen build anyways but ridgeway does have more regen.

[magic pilot]

Too finky to rely on

[flint wave]

true

[magic pilot]

I was playing around with striker focus, police m4, flatline and was critting for over 1.8m to health and 1.3M to armor

[tropic topaz]

how many do you have now

[delicate laurel]

2

[tropic topaz]

damn, thats 2 more than i have:)

[delicate laurel]

considering i crashed 2 times i deserve that oreo

[serene crow]

so genuine questio is there any builds that could utilize the fact that bullet king never needs reloading?

i just love that gun and wish it could still be a viable option

[flint wave]

200 stack striker I guess

bullet king loses to gr9 steadyhanded anyways

[tropic topaz]

ouch..

[serene crow]

what about iron lung is there any good builds for that?

i guess they would have to be status effect build

[flint wave]

Nah iron lungs stats are crazy for an LMG

That's the trend for mosr of the recent exotics

[delicate laurel]

that urs?

[serene crow]

i just used it to run a CP heroic and it absouletly melts them

[flint wave]

I edited the oreo on yes

[serene crow]

but what would a optimal iron lung loadout build loook like

[delicate laurel]

damm thats a good looking oreo

what flavor is it?

[flint wave]

not mint

[delicate laurel]

double cream?

[tropic topaz]

maybe I should try the incursion in hopes of getting an oreo...

[delicate laurel]

just a regular oreo ewww

[flint wave]

😔

[delicate laurel]

nice edit btw

[magic pilot]

Running it with striker probably

You want chc as third attribute

Obliterate chest and contractors

[flint wave]

ceska chest + contractors it looks like

[magic pilot]

Assuming you can land like 10 headshots every mag

[delicate laurel]

this is after 5 reconfigures

[magic pilot]

Nice mine took me nearly 50

[delicate laurel]

dont ask why lady death is there just ingore it

[tropic topaz]

reconfigure, not recalibrate?

[flint wave]

I have ravenous and liberty chilling in inventory dw about it

[flint wave]

exotics can't recal

[tropic topaz]

why wouldn't it be? its a fun gun

[serene crow]

chc not chd?

if my chc is already 60%

[flint wave]

if it's 60% then yeah no chc

Or close to it

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtAzGAMYIxmDZtUvagXBJVYKRATRIxUwE5FJ5qAWOs05zOhORpYpnkzYKkny8RWAdWHNR5YADYq7OAFZ4FKHAqMNKqdEy7R+6S1lGDWcyiA

[magic pilot]

You shouldn't be at 60 with an lmg already

Over specced

[flint wave]

Just waiting for iron lung to get its 10% chc mod back

[blissful rampart]

FYI for Lmgs and even iron lung. ROF is highest dps boost overall BUT Dta and CHC are also still good (and all 3 are close anyways).

[onyx sage]

how do i recalibrate 8x onto iron lung?

[serene crow]

well im at 35% but then with the coyotes im between 50 and 60 depending on range

[blissful rampart]

easily.
step one find a cliff,
step 2 have Mr. Binoculars jump off

[onyx sage]

okay I'm on it

[magic pilot]

I'm pretty sure dod came to chc being the best

[magic pilot]

You shouldn't plan on ever having the long buff lol

[blissful rampart]

just checked, chc highest avg of 1.4% more

assuming no coyotes buff otherwise ROF wins. but still minor between the 3.

[magic pilot]

I'm going for chc

[forest forum]

Does any1 use the nego backpack and chest. Just wondering how well the talent works with the hostile negotiations since it increases the 3 mark to 5 and 60% to 100% with 4pc.

[blissful rampart]

ND backpack is great but the chest is bad.

[forest forum]

Thx!

[blissful rampart]

theres a great ND build guide on the pinned spreadsheet 😄

[urban latch]

rate this build @vestal ibex

[delicate laurel]

My guy already has expertise 10 shield? Wow

[astral kraken]

The "I win because the NPCs gave up and went home" build

aka the "I'll just stand here while you guys do all the work - go go go!" build

[delicate laurel]

I think that SHD 1 held his own

[bright raptor]

SHD 1 with an Oreo?

[gentle lichen]

It's a bug that shows YOUR expertise on other agent's skills

Or else i would be very surprised as to how they proficient the shield AND put materials on it at shd 1

[forest forum]

Can you tag me I have not been able to find the spreadsheet ?

[delicate laurel]

They were secretly a dev

Or they know something we don't

[delicate laurel]

Raucey and soulless helped him there doing carries/teaching the incursion

[bright raptor]

Huh, would've figured that doing the incursion more than once would have tipped him over to at least SHD 2

[delicate laurel]

I think he came fresh outta WONY

[untold hearth]

I know 2 others have been giving me the advice. But y'all think I'm good for the DZ now? Other then me optimizing the stats. My CHD is 122% & CHC 45%

[forest forum]

Is the Aces and Eights the best one since its the first one on spreadsheet?

[magic pilot]

Optimal build for catharsis matador nice

Try to get blue core matador if you are using catharsis

[forest forum]

Under geaeset i mean

[untold hearth]

The other guy said the same thing 🥲

[magic pilot]

Yep that's about it

[magic pilot]

No lol

[untold hearth]

Only in the past it was great but now no no lol

[forest forum]

Okay was just wondering if they were in some order for any specific reason

[untold hearth]

So 5 blue cores not enough?

[magic pilot]

If you run catharsis you want to armor stack as much as possible

[untold hearth]

What if I have coyotes mask? Lol

[magic pilot]

Then you can run less

The more armor you have the more effective catharsis is

[untold hearth]

Now I know what I'm doing later lol

[forest forum]

I dig the spreadsheet on pc way easier to see everything. Yall did awesome on who made it.

[untold hearth]

I'm gonna tell you right now, I easily did the Aces and 8s mantis build, because I had so much pilled up without realizing. I made it all a red core fully maxed build. At first I thought it was really good in PVE, but then afterwards I was told that the build is outdated and not good anymore, so a good 2 hours was somewhat worth it 😅. So that's why we're telling you don't do that one lol. Because there's legit others you rather do. Because I didn't know this, rather then it was good long time ago but not anymore

[forest forum]

I don't even have any aces and eights. i initially didn't think it'd be much useful but it was the first one in gearset so i was just wondering if it was in specific order for a reason.

[magic pilot]

For basic crit dps you want striker

[rich lotus]

Does anybody know which one of these is better and which one would do more damage? 30% CHD or 5% Damage To Armor?

[magic pilot]

I mean to give an accurate answer you would have to send a pic of the build

Just off that I would say crit dmg though

[rich lotus]

I forgot to mention while at 60% CHC.

[magic pilot]

Crit dmg

[rich lotus]

Alright. Thanks for replying. 🍻

[forest forum]

I appreciate it but I'm not interested using that. I normally use hunters fury and rn I'm trying out nego d.

[tulip charm]

the spreadsheet is there for you you to pick anyways

[forest forum]

Future Initiative looks like has a lot of potential depending how it might be used.

[tulip charm]

Its the staple healer build and sometime used as a all red

[glossy scarab]

i havent found a good situation to run one of my red FI builds other than helping newer players clear content

[forest forum]

I used Umbra Initiative for longest time b4 i started using hunters fury.

[astral kraken]

In what universe is Aces outdated?

[glossy scarab]

HF is great. so many ways to run it. i even mess with the backpack talent versatile cuz with an smg and a shotgun, swapping weapons gives you 35% amp total weapon damage for 10 seconds. which is fun until you get tired of swapping

[glossy scarab]

since hot shot came out

[astral kraken]

The differences are marginal at best

Esp if you're doing chainkiller

[glossy scarab]

hotshot has better little perks and better bonuses

like bonus armor and refilled mags

aces 2 pc bonus is 15% mmr dmg. hot shot 2 pc bonus is 30% mmr dmg and 30% weapon handling.

[astral kraken]

Someone ran the numbers earlier and aces still won out on some metrics

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah i dont doubt it

i just the added utility makes hotshot better

[astral kraken]

Hot shot is great don't get me wrong but I wouldn't call aces outdated and not worth farming if someone wants to or has the pieces already

[glossy scarab]

no i def keep an aces set in my stash

[astral kraken]

I still run my aces/mantis build and I one shot every non-boss on 4 person heroic open world. it's dope

Helmet bois get two shot

[glossy scarab]

yep

[forest forum]

I love HF only reason i don't use it is bc i don't use either shotgun or smg. But the 20% armor on kill and 100% health on kill was my fav part.

[glossy scarab]

i have a mmr build that has 100%

[astral kraken]

AoK is overrated IMO. I loved it at first but then realized how much I'm giving up for something I can gain through better positioning and timing.

I really liked blood sucker when I first started playing for example.

Just IMO tho

[glossy scarab]

blood sucker is great for intimidate

[onyx sage]

you don't need to use a shotgun or smg with HF, the bonuses for 4p vastly outweigh it

[forest forum]

However i was using a shotgun and smg just now I'm using st elmos for primary weapon. Still looking for a second one i like...

[astral kraken]

Yea I've been running HF with determined D50 and chainkiller for the event and it's been hilarious. The buffs your teammates get is nice.

Shotgun still secondary tho

[forest forum]

Yeah still works great just hate not using those 15% tho.

[onyx sage]

like, the speedrun meta build rn is using HF with regulus

[astral kraken]

Is that mostly for the debuff or the stun?

Curious why HF

[onyx sage]

all those and the amp from 4p

[astral kraken]

thats neat

[forest forum]

Oh then I'm glad i saved my gear that's also.

[untold hearth]

I don't know just somebody told me it wasn't that good anymore yet here I grinded like a good easily 2 hours just to get it perfect lol

[urban latch]

Aces is just outclassed by hotshot

[astral kraken]

but not by a lot

and in practice unless you're doing something specific it wont matter

[urban latch]

It's interaction with HH is also weird. The amp from aces doesn't apply to HH stacks

[onyx sage]

^

not that hotshot's amp does either but the minor bonuses from 2p and 3p are better

and the 30% mmr damage does multiply with HH

[glossy scarab]

does this help HH? #td2-build-advice message

[onyx sage]

yes

[astral kraken]

here's the data i was looking at earlier: #td2-build-advice message

[onyx sage]

my headhunter guide has all the deets

haven't added exuro but backpack talent is just an amp (and why would you use exuro with HH)

[glossy scarab]

thatd be silly. shut upp

[urban latch]

Hotshot does damp with it unless I'm mistaken

Although tbh I just use the 3p lol

[glossy scarab]

30% mmr dmg 30% weapon handling. 30% hsd

not bad at all

[onyx sage]

huh, interesting

[glossy scarab]

it just says increase on the talent

by 20%

[onyx sage]

i'll test again

[magic pilot]

321 build on top

[onyx sage]

first number is with hotshot 2 stack buff (20% self amp), second number is no buff, first / second = 1.0517288

[magic pilot]

Don't have to worry about active 4pc set bonuses

[urban latch]

oh ok, guess im wrong

[onyx sage]

which lines up with the expression on the left indicating it is indeed a self amp

[glossy scarab]

nice. i wish they would be more clear in their talent descriptions

[onyx sage]

that's why i decided to write the doc cuz the descs are cancer

[untold hearth]

Oh god math

[onyx sage]

the pattern: "any bonuses that specifically mention amplifying your or your weapon's damage (or act as such even with incorrect wording) will most likely not multiply with HH bonus"

it's been holding for everything so far

[tawdry flare]

321 is life

[fluid cape]

anyone know if picaro's holster can drop with a red minor stat i.e. Crit Chance

[glossy scarab]

yeah

[magic pilot]

Yes it can

[gentle lichen]

What my guy got 😮‍💨

[bronze hound]

nice

[fallen comet]

Thats really rare lol

[hearty cloak]

whats a good set to use with the Exuro set? wyvern?

[zinc yew]

I try with the exotic holster (doesn't remember his name but the eletronic one) and one wyvern isn't bad at all 🤨

[untold hearth]

Rank 10 👀

[spice spruce]

Is 4 piece striker with Perfect Glass Cannon and Perfect Vigilance the best DPS build?

[flint wave]

No

[spice spruce]

What is the best?

[flint wave]

striker with backpack when it comes to single target

Sometimes uses chest with it

If no chest it uses obliterate talent

[dense seal]

PGC with Vigi does actually beat the Striker backpack, albeit, by only like barely 1%. (assuming the Striker BP build is using Coyotes - As that is what really makes the difference)
So it is considered not worth it.
The main benefit though is the damage before Stacks. Before Striker Stacks PGC and Vigi will do a good 30% more.

[flint wave]

definitely not worth it

[tawdry flare]

@dense seal the glitch goes nicely with sleipner

[limber beacon]

for a tank build is it better to have 2 improvised pieces (mask/holster) with pfe, or swap them for 2 cav pieces for the extra hazpro? (without the cav I'm around 60% hazpro)

[tawdry flare]

Go hazpro tbh comes in handy

[limber beacon]

thanks!

[glossy scarab]

just for fun, to see how high i could get the ouro rpm i did an umbra + strikers test and its this fast

[livid horizon]

Holy sheet

[urban latch]

3p umbra, 2p strikers, ninja?

[hexed steppe]

Tbh , skill damage/status effects named sacrifice chest with yellow core. 🦄
Then 1 wyvern or electrique high end with same skill damage/status effects
Jmho tho

[livid horizon]

I've got that setup but I find the cooldown is so long I'm probably going to switch to caeser's guard as it removes the cooldown

And the fire damage ain't that great anyway

[hexed steppe]

I agree. Definitly low damage compared to eclipse

[livid horizon]

Yea it's more of a cc build

[hexed steppe]

I wonder how memento would be on that. 30-60% skill efficiency when, charged. Gives haste and allows the fire to double dip sd/se.
Lose some range. Instead of getting +25 wd against burning npc you could get +30wd against all npc
🤔

[livid horizon]

interesting. worth testing it out.

[hexed steppe]

Unpopular opinion, but I used to get really good damage on fire eclipse while using it

[tawdry flare]

New meta

[agile pelican]

Anyone able to hop in a vc and help me make a build

[tawdry flare]

@bronze hound

[hexed steppe]

No voice atm but can pm or post some of your ideas here to get some feedback.
Also, have you looked over the spreadsheet pinned to this channel? It has a variety of builds with detailed breakdowns.
Hub (builds) tab > links at end of each build line for detailed breakdowns.

[agile pelican]

I just came back to the game so am very noobie I tried looking on yt and just ended up being confused 🤣

[hexed steppe]

Yeah. What type of builds did you prefer before your break?
Strong weapon damage type or strong skill damage type

[astral kraken]

YT isn’t that helpful tbh. The build spreadsheet is all you really need.

iKia’s list is great too.

[hexed steppe]

A few notable on the dps (weapon damage) builds are
Striker
Hunters fury

A couple notable on the skill damage side are
Drone turret skill (afk)
Eclipse protocol (fire version)

All listed are pretty easy to put together and all will be on the sheet. 👍

[agile pelican]

skill, I use to have one where I sat behind cover spamming cluster seakers if I remember it correctly

[hexed steppe]

Sounds like hardwire. That's still a decent cluster spam build 👍

[agile pelican]

it doesnt work how I remember it

I use to have to like cluster then hive cancel or something like that

[hexed steppe]

Yeah also need a 4th to get that as well

Swap the glove to hardwire

But yeah hive , turret, or even shield can trigger the feedback loop talent on it

[cerulean smelt]

healing hive is just the easier version since if you don't take damage you cand drop and pick up the hive and throw seeker

[astral kraken]

btsu gloves work really well with cluster spam build

instead of heal hive run stinger

[cerulean smelt]

otherwise if you mess up the rotation seeker goes on 30 second cool down and you get your hives back XD

[hexed steppe]

Yeah btsu good as well.

[agile pelican]

so what order do I do?

[hexed steppe]

Any hive other than revive will work good and will have charges back in a couple seconds

[agile pelican]

yea but what order do I do it?

[astral kraken]

yea it’s like… throw seeker, toss hive in the middle, toss seeker, destroy hive, toss overcharges seeker, throw overcharged hive

[agile pelican]

im so confused 🤣

[astral kraken]

just test it

and watch the icons

[cerulean smelt]

re-read this

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's because if the btsu overcharge mechanic.

[agile pelican]

it doesnt give back seeker tho

[hexed steppe]

Being fresh back it might be better to just use something similar to previous use then swap in btsu gloves when you get comfortable using the build

The feedback loop will shave 20 seconds off the cooldown. It will still have 10 seconds where it wont be back

[agile pelican]

each time I hit Q as well it cancels it

and shows a snow flake

[cerulean smelt]

turn off cool skills

[hexed steppe]

Oh coolskills. Yeah that's gonna mess you up

[agile pelican]

where?

[cerulean smelt]

open map hit or hold z i forget then it'll show directives find cool skills and deactivate it and let world reload

[hexed steppe]

Map >global settings >directives

[agile pelican]

im not host of the loby is that why then

[hexed steppe]

Yes

You'll have to host to control directives

[tropic topaz]

double tap q if you want to keep cool skills

[agile pelican]

for now should I just use this then?

idk if this is good

[cerulean smelt]

chest is terrible, but it'll work

[hexed steppe]

Well its probably the best option atm with coolskills running

[agile pelican]

or this

[tawdry flare]

Use ouroboros with that to make it viable

[hexed steppe]

Either are gun damage the 1st will be stronger

[hexed steppe]

Just back after a long break. I doubt that's an option 🤣

[agile pelican]

this one?

[tawdry flare]

Ok my bad

[tawdry flare]

Yeah this one will suffice remove companion on bag and use vigilance

[hexed steppe]

Yeah that will work.
You want the bag talent as vigilance and chest talent as obliterate but for now thatll be ok dps

[agile pelican]

okay

im just grinding some freeroam events rn with some randoms idk if thatll give me the correct stuff

[cerulean smelt]

doubtful, but you'll get materials (> <)

[hexed steppe]

Open world is best xp

the best farm is actually countdown gamemode now. It's a lot of items and an 8man group. Go challenging for matchmaking with the red dps (no skills other than the revive and shield). Follow the group and help mop up adds.
It has target loot that you can select like in summit. It drops a lot of named items also.

[agile pelican]

yea ive just been picking up everything I find

[agile pelican]

is xp for battle pass?

[hexed steppe]

Season levels as well as shd (watch) levels

Shd improves your attributes up to 999, then every shd you earn is available to use for materials you may need

[cerulean smelt]

and currently apparel event until that ends

[cerulean smelt]

then this carries over to your other 3 level 40 characters as well

[bronze hound]

Meep merp

[hexed steppe]

Yup. Thatll be down the road tho

What's good Eevee

[cerulean smelt]

looks at name, still dont' see Eevee AI O_O

[agile pelican]

how do I make sure I dont scrap a good item?

[cerulean smelt]

see that R key Mark As you click or hit r and it'll set it as favorite

think you could also right click the items and a drop down menu appears?

[bronze hound]

Or x for options

[glossy scarab]

HF with devils due (perfect clutch). ive been using this for extra survivability. sucks not having a damage talent though. ive been using versatile with HF and a sokolov oblit and a sokolov versatile for the 35% amp damage upon swapping between smg and shotgun. it hits like 50k per crit harder than vigilance. but look how fast that armor comes back up

[cerulean smelt]

crazy isn't it? youtube video i saw mentioned Ouro + Clutch

[hearty cloak]

alright, feedback on the dumbest build ive made so far? (havent rolled or optomized the stats yet)

[glossy scarab]

probably not gonna be practical but way to go hitting 40% explosive dmg. i use the collector exotic chest and firewall spec to get the major kills from the cluster grenade. im only at 30% explosive dmg but the cluster grenades get kills and i havent really been able to get one kill with other grenades, whereas cluster grenades can kill like 3 heroic elites with one nade

[hearty cloak]

i dont think i have that exotic, is it in the general lootpool?

[glossy scarab]

yeah it was part of this season pass

its not in the loot pool until you get it from the season

[hearty cloak]

ohhh ok, my season pass is only lvl 25 right now

[glossy scarab]

really liking this HF versatile build. crits at 828k. with a vigilance or unstoppable force backpack it crits 736k. 92k more per crit with versatile

[zinc yew]

Anyone got a idea how i can build around The Iron lung LMG ? I'm pretty confuse on how i can make it effectivz

[tulip charm]

Why no demo?

[hexed steppe]

Should make it all yellow core so you can take advantage of overcharge.
Trade one of the perfect sledge weapons for capacitor
Trade 1 of you skills for mortar since you're stacking explosive* damage
Trade mask for wyvern
Personally I think the chest is weak, and would put perfect glass in its place. acosta's already refunds grenades.
But with the extra range it has good potential to debuff a lot on npc with sledge

[tulip charm]

same as elmo

[zinc yew]

Mean with Striker ? I'm just comin back on the game 😅 so i'm pretty confuse rn

[late barn]

should i use scorpio or acs12 for heartbreaker

[tulip charm]

You can put in a dps build and do fine

[zinc yew]

I see thank

[hollow pasture]

Someone was running this in the incursion
8k shd btw
A group member that was like 1k shd level even told him to change builds

[glossy scarab]

because the firewall grenades are broken strong

[onyx sage]

how embarrassing

[tulip charm]

Is it better than normal concussion with the extra 10% explosive damage?

[late barn]

i hit 1-1.3 mil on crit shots with ar heartbreaker full stacks, that should be fine for an incursion build right?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[late barn]

cool ty, some dude said i needed strikers

[glossy scarab]

yeah. but only with the collector chest i think. concussion grenades wont get a kill. cluster grenades will get multiple kills

[zinc yew]

Really how ?! 8k SHD and sorry don't to be rude but how can you run a build like this

[tulip charm]

Its so common that basically everyone runs it but its also the highest hitting set sthats why

[hollow pasture]

I was wondering the same thing

[zinc yew]

I mean we got plenty of place where we can ask anything about building good gear in case we aren't so sure about it...

[hexed steppe]

Not all are in this discord though. Sometimes the only info source used is youtube... and it kinda looks like hes attempting to use memento like ninja which has dominated the clickbait yt builds recently.
Also a lot of dad to grandpa aged agents that are not always hip on the newer stuff

[glossy scarab]

perfect mad bomber vs collector with cluster grenades

[zinc yew]

Agree on that point , but i most been flying those Clickbait you talk about because Nevers hear of it

[hollow pasture]

I get the discord part for sure
But he's 8k shd level, I feel like by then it'd be pretty hard to not have a good understanding of what makes a good build
Unless he's testing builds lol

Obviously everyone learns differently but I'm shd 3k and I've known how to make good builds for years

[gentle lichen]

How does this look for a pvp memento build?

[bronze hound]

if you do incursions / raids on release date youd see

doesnt matter how much experience you have; new missions expose weakpoints in builds immediately

[hexed steppe]

I honestly think this guy mixed up ninja and memento. It would be more workable if that was the case.
There have been an absolute ton of ninja builds with striker in mm. Like high level between 5k-15k using it. A lot of bigger yt content creators really pushing that crap.
I agree it's a shit build any way its sliced.

I think people kinda downplay the knowledge they get from this discord. The rigorous testing and challenging of every aspect of builds here is really second to none.

🤷‍♂️

[hollow pasture]

At first when I saw the build I actually just assumed the BP was Ninja, cuz that'd make sense for having the 3 piece striker

[hexed steppe]

Did he end up swapping when asked?

[hollow pasture]

We wiped on tanker, then someone told him in chat to switch to a different build and he didn't
Nor did he say anything
Maybe he didn't know English idk

[crimson niche]

Why.......why.....WHY??!

[tulip charm]

dw just farm another one

[crimson niche]

I spend an entire day and this was the best i got

[cerulean smelt]

can always farm descent and hope to get the blueprint i think and just craft it up XD

[thin patrol]

I have done incursion with my HF ridgeway's pride wicked build with mp7 flawless a few times with the clan.

[crimson niche]

There no blueprint for that backbag
And I hate summ-.....did you just say descent?

[hollow pasture]

Yea difference is that's with a clan
This is with randoms

[hollow pasture]

There's a blueprint for the BP with perfect wicked
Anarchists cookbook

[thin patrol]

And if you matchmake, you have to accept their builds. If you have a problem with that, you have to get a dedicated team.

[gentle lichen]

It's not good

It's only an increase to duration

And the brands isn't the best

Losing 15% chd that way

[zinc yew]

Where did you find those ? 😲

[hexed steppe]

Do you have a grupo bag blueprint? Same bonus as 2pc sokolov

[crimson niche]

No

[untold hearth]

Ik your pain

[rich lotus]

Does anybody have a link to a list of all the DZ exclusive weapons, gear, etc?

[hazy steeple]

They're all listed in the spreadsheet that's 📌 pinned in this channel.

[astral kraken]

@glossy scarab @hexed steppe Tested out some variations on the D50 build. All of them were really close, nothing groundbreaking. One thing to note is that the HF version jumps to 13 million with the close range buff which is what sets it apart. Oh and this was with reanimated turned off.

Reason I was testing is to find a viable version of this for 4 person heroic open world without reanimated. In that mode the elites have 16m HP so if I can't hit harder than that it's not that good anymore.

1 person heroic is still good though because the elite HP is 9m. But then you could probably just run a DPS build and melt everything down anyway. I have a feeling D50 would be faster though... but not by much.

I might time it just to see. The amount of XP and farming I've been achieving is nuts with reanimated. I even farmed for gear in open world vs countdown and it was much faster than countdown - with decent rolls.

[glossy scarab]

nice. the 20% pistol damage on my d&h backpack must have scaled with HH pretty well bc i hit 13 mil

[astral kraken]

Like... there's a difference between killing an elite in 2 seconds with an AR and killing a whole mob as fast as the D50 can shoot.

[astral kraken]

Huh... interesting.

[glossy scarab]

on your spec tree did you have the 15% on pistols?

[astral kraken]

Funny you should ask. I just realized I didn't b/c it's a new character. When I added that I got 13m as well.

[glossy scarab]

sweet

[astral kraken]

But yea I don't think I'll be hitting 16m+. Can't think of any other way.

[glossy scarab]

no. when i put the target on heroic named, i couldnt one shot it but the shot hit for 15

[astral kraken]

was it a crit?

[glossy scarab]

oh probably yeah

whats the secondary attribute on your d50

[astral kraken]

dtooc

[glossy scarab]

ok yea me too. but mine is only 5% exp

but i really think the douglas and harding 20% pistol dmg is a significant boost

[astral kraken]

yea thats why i went with punch drunk

that's the final build i'm gonna be using

dodge city to guarantee determined/chainkiller when the fight starts. removes a lot of risk.

first 4 shots

[glossy scarab]

so you like that better than HF based build?

[astral kraken]

yea because going from 12 to 14 million doesn't really change anything

[glossy scarab]

yea true

[astral kraken]

the two thresholds are 10m to kill elites in 1 player heroic and then 16m to kill them at 4 player heroic

so if i can't get to 16 i might as well build around that 10+

[glossy scarab]

yeah and no stacking

[astral kraken]

hence reducing things a bit for dodge city, but now i can start every engagement safely. sometimes i die because i can't get the stacks going in time when going for a mob

[glossy scarab]

thats the one great part about HF is that you get the aok

[astral kraken]

oh true...

i would need to get the first kill quickly or they scatter like roaches 😂

[glossy scarab]

yeah, i carried an 1886 in case i needed higher damage to get things started. but i had no problems re proc'ing HH after i had to two shot a helmeted enemy

[sullen sun]

Is there any point to the legacy manhunts?

[glossy scarab]

just getting skills you may not have if you missed those manhunts when they first came out

[astral kraken]

and story 😄

[glossy scarab]

eh

[sullen sun]

Too bad you can’t get old weapon camos

[onyx sage]

yeah, this and the stun just make HF superior if you're going for speeds

high end is still old reliable though

[glossy scarab]

nothin wrong with that

[spice spruce]

Does the Ranger have a range cap?

Or like a damage cap?

[tawdry flare]

For talent no but it is impossible to hit above like 90m

[dreamy valve]

Is Tech Efficiency the same thing as Skill Efficiency for the Artificer Hive Expertise?

[hexed steppe]

try the hf version with a dh vigilance bag, the hh scales with wd better.
solid testing all around though 💯

[untold hearth]

Brain fart, but can someone remind me the cap for CHC and CHD? Thank you

[astral kraken]

60% chc and chd is uncapped iirc

[astral kraken]

will do!

[dense seal]

60% Crit Chance. (You can go over, though the game does not show it and it also does not apply)
There is theoretically no cap on Critical Hit Damage. It goes as high as you can put the stats into it. I think the soft cap (you run out of room to put it in) is 376%. Though you can make this 576% with Backfire.

[astral kraken]

listen to that guy

[dense seal]

Technically no. Though it will do nothing to combat the weapons Optimal Range.
So you could say Ranger Caps at the weapons Optimal Range.

[tawdry flare]

Ranger caps at weapons optimal range is not technically true tbh cause it will work as long as your bullets hits targets even outside of optimal range

[dense seal]

That is not what I said. Try again

[round zinc]

Wdym by tech efficiency

[hollow pasture]

Lmao is that DOD
I have never seen him here

[hexed steppe]

its not the same thing, but i believe it is similar. skill efficiency would be all skill buckets get the %.
with tech efficiency upgrades i think it just affects the limited attributes of any given skill artificer boosts so like the damage/repair/time refresh get the % afaik. im sure it could be clarified more but thats my basic understanding of it.

[hexed steppe]

artificer expertise upgrades boost tech efficiency

[untold hearth]

Okay hear me out here lol

This mf chest piece after like 200 countdown attempts have taken me forever to get the right one. I'm keeping what I got for PVP 😭. Idc if the health there, everything else can work out right?

[round zinc]

i think its just a way to say skill efficiency

[hexed steppe]

It's not the same, artificer doesnt boost all attributes of a skill.
Skill efficiency on the other hand boosts everything

[dreamy valve]

Hmm I see

[regal haven]

i have a sniper build incoming
if i had to choose between 10% sniper dmg or 15% headshot dmg, what's better ?

[dreamy valve]

Looks like we have some new faces here! Enjoy the build experimentation, especially now that the loot pool is as wide as ever

[hollow pasture]

15 HSD

[regal haven]

alrighty

[dense seal]

Tech Efficiency is Damage and Resets the Skills Timer.

[round zinc]

huh,didnt know that,thank you

[bronze hound]

skill efficiency is the weapon handling of skill tier

[hexed steppe]

If it utilizes headhunter then weapon damage scales better than hsd. As long as you reach 150% hsd

So walker harris 1pc, hotshot 2pc, A&8 2pc, airaldi 1p, and habsburg 2pc give marksman, with the walker giving weapon damage for all weapon types.
Also dont forget your specialization weapon buff picked for mmr 15%

[tawdry flare]

it's even better than that cause weapon handling doesn't give dmg

[bronze hound]

you knew what i meant

[bronze hound]

i can argue efficiency doesnt give skill tier

[regal haven]

interesting... so u're not even enabling the hotshot stuff

i mean the 4 pieces bonus

i'm currently playing 1chest w&h ( with perfect talent ) , 4hot shot, 1 backpack "The Gift" which is providence defense

[bronze hound]

the best build for damage with a sniper isnt hotshot yes

its 3 hotshot 2 HG 1 airaldi

[regal haven]

HG ?

[bronze hound]

habsburg guard

[regal haven]

you're not playing with the w&h chest with the headshot talent ?

[bronze hound]

doesnt add damage

[regal haven]

"Chainkiller" it's called, with perfect headhunter talent

I thought that was mandatory for a sniper/headshot build

[bronze hound]

it doesnt add damage

[round zinc]

its best in slot iirc

[bronze hound]

HH is mandatory perfect HH isnt

[round zinc]

fym doesn't add damage when it literally has a higher cap than normal HH

[regal haven]

u sure ? checking the data ingame

[bronze hound]

read tha talent

copy paste it here actually

[round zinc]

25% difference

After killing an enemy with a headshot, your next weapon hit within 30 seconds deals an additional 125% fo that killing blow's damage. Damage is capped at 800% of your weapon damage. This is raised to 1250% if your headshot damage is greater than 150%.

Perfect Headhunter: After killing an enemy with a headshot, your next weapon hit within 30 seconds deals an additional 150% fo that killing blow's damage. Damage is capped at 800% of your weapon damage. This is raised to 1250% if your headshot damage is greater than 150%.

25% there,same ceiling but higher initial

[hexed steppe]

I was just listing off sources. I use 4pc hotshot, memento, chainkiller

[onyx sage]

read appendix on my guide for advice on whether to pick perfect headhunter or not

[bronze hound]

it charges faster

its max damage is the same

lol

[round zinc]

no i will spread misinformation on the internet

[onyx sage]

not higher initial, but higher 1+-stack kills

[round zinc]

oh you're literally dien

[bronze hound]

xD

[round zinc]

ok 1 sec

[bronze hound]

who cares who he is

[onyx sage]

tl;dr is perfect HH solves a different problem than normal HH + weapon damage brand

i am binoculars

who the heck is dien

[regal haven]

oh i see, i didn't read it that way

so u charge 25% less damage each blow

[round zinc]

die(ez)nuts lmao gottem

[onyx sage]

perfect HH will solve the problem of not being able to one-shot your second enemy

like when you can kill a red on first shot but not able to kill an elite on second shot

[bronze hound]

skill issue tbh tbh

but if you want highest overall damage PHH isnt the way to go

[regal haven]

interesting, will have a look at habsburg

[bronze hound]

its hella hard to get good habsburg items

[hexed steppe]

Gl 🦄

[bronze hound]

because they roll with armour cores lol

[regal haven]

although hot shot 4pcs is quite enjoyable to use with the "auto reload"

[bronze hound]

only if youre using determined which is only being used because its broken

[hexed steppe]

Yeah I like 4pc hotshot with determined 😎

[regal haven]

yes that's what i was aiming for

what would you use instead of determined ?

[bronze hound]

once they fix determined youll stop running hotshot

lmao

[onyx sage]

optimist, ranger for damage

future perfect, preservation for utility

[bronze hound]

i use rangert

preservation might suit better actually

i might swap to that lol

[onyx sage]

i love preservation

[bronze hound]

i have a few godrolled white deaths i can put it on

[hexed steppe]

Once determined get nerfed, if it ever does I'll just go back to mantis... but until then I'll use what's available now

[bronze hound]

i just have morals

[regal haven]

wasn't it nerfed than came back to it's initial state ?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

Perfect still nerfed

[round zinc]

idk why perfect determined works the way the devs wanted it to work but not determined

like the reason they rolled back on that nerf was because normal determined was straight up broken

[tawdry flare]

lol cause it is imperfect

[onyx sage]

clearly the crit damage will make it too strong /j

[round zinc]

it would not work iirc

[round zinc]

300% chd hsd would be too metah

[tawdry flare]

with 100% crit dmg

[onyx sage]

like they don't know the people who know the HH formula will see crit as big bait

[hexed steppe]

Its interesting that after it was reverted there was a patch that focused a bit more on determined but it was just to stop skills from procing it... who knows the intent at this point 🤷‍♂️

[tawdry flare]

imagine m44 carbine with perfect determined instead of relic

[round zinc]

too meta,lvoac with perfect determined go brrrrr

[onyx sage]

it'd still lose to white death in a 4p hotshot build i think

[tawdry flare]

Mhh you forgot the rolls

[onyx sage]

white death has the equivalent of 25% more crit damage while if you get perfect determined you'd get 24% more by replacing handling with crit dmg mods

[tawdry flare]

Ahh 4pcs yeah

But 321

[onyx sage]

but like, if you replace too much hsd with chd you're going to lose out on first shot damage cuz no determined

[tawdry flare]

With negotiators

[onyx sage]

no

just no

[round zinc]

determined negotiator🤯

[tawdry flare]

Why lol I am not saying replace had I am saying replace handling

[round zinc]

watch this becomes a youtube build video

[onyx sage]

i know, it's just too cursed for me

i'm not gonna calc it

[round zinc]

determined exuro

your turret now deals headshot damage

[onyx sage]

now scales with your hsd stat

now that'd be pog

turret headhunter

[round zinc]

sniper turret with determined would go hard ngl

[tawdry flare]

Sniper turent

[round zinc]

riot foam headhunter

[onyx sage]

it would actually make skill builds viable in my eyes

[tawdry flare]

Healer chem headhunter

[round zinc]

grenade headhunter

[bronze hound]

season 100 les go

[hexed steppe]

Red chainkiller eclipse 🤔
30% amp and nothing moves🤣

[tawdry flare]

Season 69 less goo

[bronze hound]

local did u see my DE build

[hexed steppe]

No

[bronze hound]

oh my god

25m burst

[hexed steppe]

Nice, what kind of drone?

[bronze hound]

fixer

[hexed steppe]

Do you sit back with it or is it aggressive playstyle

[hollow pasture]

More dread edict enjoyers please

I've loved it since release

[tawdry flare]

Dread edict can be painful to use sometimes

Cause of relying on headshot with targets with no head

[hollow pasture]

That's true yea
Honestly Alot of people complained about it's handling when it came out but you kinda get used to it after using it Alot

[hexed steppe]

Remember when status affected targets counted as stacks on reload?

It's been fixed for a while now

[bronze hound]

literally every svd in div 1 and div 2

[bronze hound]

yes

[hollow pasture]

I feel like he doesn't know how gear sets work
Since he's very new

[delicate laurel]

i whispered him and told him never go 6pc on a gearset always stick with 4 pc

[hollow pasture]

Atleast you gave him advice
Some people wouldnt do anything

[delicate laurel]

i also told him to farm coyotes foxes a groupo and a czeka so he has options

and the talents i told him to go for on the chest is ether obliterate or GC

[bronze hound]

i still dont remember inviting you into my clan

[delicate laurel]

my old username before this 1 was Tamaterasu

[bronze hound]

doesnt ring a bell lmao

[delicate laurel]

you invited me when we did an all white run in NY

i remember it clearly

[delicate laurel]

5 k crit with max stacks(i was using my acs12 to build stacks)

[magic pilot]

Crit or hsd?

[bronze hound]

All hsd

[magic pilot]

Very cool

Dread pushes some crazy hsd numbers

[hearty forge]

rifle fight, who do you think is better. Test Subject vs Mechanical Animal? First thing that comes to mind for me is animal let's non-skill builds get decent skill bonuses while subject helps skill based builds do damage better

[magic pilot]

Well those are ARs

On skill builds you would want in sync and every now and then swap to future perfect for overcharge

[hearty forge]

true but running two ARs feel icky

[magic pilot]

Run harmony instead of test subject

[leaden spade]

I just started playing today and im unsure what perks to focus on first. Any advice?

I know im gonna focus mainly PvE so idk if that changes much

[hearty forge]

pick your style of play basically? You really can get away with most anything you hit level cap/finish the main story so use that time to figure out what your main build is going to be

[delicate laurel]

No point in figuring out builds as you will just get better gear as you level up

[hearty forge]

not build as much playstyle

[delicate laurel]

This game is a cover to cover looters shooter

Cover is your best friend

[hearty forge]

of course but like I have poopoo aim so my playstyle is clown juggling using seeker mines and hives with the data glove

[delicate laurel]

Or just shut off your brain and rush at everything 🤣

[leaden spade]

should i get the xp perks for now then to boost my leveling process?

[hearty forge]

That's a playstyle as well

[delicate laurel]

HF is a good example

[leaden spade]

i just dont know how many perk points you can get so im scared to spec them into stuff i wont use lol

[delicate laurel]

Don't worry about any of that until End game just enjoy the story

[leaden spade]

alr

[hearty forge]

There's also the whole spec question to cover. As you can guess, I'm a tech main, I haven't really gone out of my way to learn the others

[leaden spade]

yeah idk how that works yet eitherr loll

[fickle light]

specs are generally little additions to builds, not the main part of them

if you have a skill tier 6 skill build you might as well grab Technician and swap one of your skill tiers to a red or blue, weapon damage or armor core instead since technician gives a free skill tier

stuff like that

[hearty forge]

I'm in the mood to build something silly but I don't know what

[delicate laurel]

Make the worse possible build

[hearty forge]

Thinking vile, scorpio, but not sure what else

[delicate laurel]

Like I mean a build so bad that even new players think it's bad

[hearty forge]

If I was going to try I would want to make it playable

[tropic topaz]

i have a build like that :|

[fickle light]

Dude. Stop. You dont, and if you did we've told you how to fix it.

[onyx sage]

cut the self-loathing, it's not funny days in

[tropic topaz]

iirc the fix was "change to striker", right?

[fickle light]

either swap to striker, high end, pretty much anything other than umbra for now. I'm not saying you should ditch it completely, just put it aside and grab, like, even Hunter's Fury. You are trying to do the Umbra thing which is getting you killed. As i've said before.

[patent elm]

Strange.. Isn't the whole Point of umbra to teach you decent mechanics

[glossy scarab]

umbra is heavily dependent on your surroundings at any given moment

[onyx sage]

at first glance it seems so, but many people overlook the fact that to enable your damage you need to be out of cover

[fickle light]

When you dont have the basics down umbra falls off extremely hard

[onyx sage]

which is ironically detrimental to new players learning how cover works

[cerulean smelt]

not to mention sometimes the game bugs out when you try to leave cover and you end up staying in cover nullifying your damage buff

[bronze hound]

why am i seeing lots of umbra lately

[glossy scarab]

i think its a decent set but i dont like how fast you start to lose rpm and damage. its instantly going down. they could give me 5 seconds or something

[onyx sage]

they just look at cover and think that it's just somewhere to hide, and underestimate how important it is as both a defensive and offensive mechanic

[bronze hound]

aspect did you see my design for an exotic backpack

[fickle light]

i didnt but eh

[glossy scarab]

also it requires you to get out of cover to utilize the buff. and sometimes its too dangerous to stand up and shoot

[bronze hound]

#td2-general-chat message this

[onyx sage]

it encourages rambo-style run and gunning which to me is bad for new players

it takes a lot more time and skill investment to do it well

[livid horizon]

Quick question. I was running in solo.ioen world heroic doing activities and saw some high crit numbers using memento intimidate hunter fury with Oreo. Also using firewall shield. I was getting over 2m crits sometimes. Why? Is this normal damage? Or a bug?

[bronze hound]

reanimated?

[delicate laurel]

do i bother getting contractors?

[cerulean smelt]

why not?

[delicate laurel]

this alt is when i wanna mess around so i am not taking it seriously

[livid horizon]

Yea, of Course!

[glossy scarab]

that seems wrong. the highest i can get with HF is with oblit/versatile is 829k (body crit). headshots pass 1 mil slightly

[livid horizon]

Evee to the rescue!

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah the event

[onyx sage]

reanimated makes enemies take double damage to heads yeah

[delicate laurel]

double tap them

[onyx sage]

(which multiplies with HH bonus wink wink)

[glossy scarab]

i hit over 2 mil headshots with ouro with a headhunter build on and its my first bullet after a headshot kill lol

[forest forum]

Just now trying out the technician for signature weapon, do y'all have fav types gearset or highends y'all like using with it if y'all do use it? Also, does it matter how many skill tier you have? -- i already asked in general chat but wanna see what any1 wanted to say

[fickle light]

signature weapons i almost never use unless i find it funny

afaik none of the signature weapons scale off of skill tier, and its not really worth to build for them unless u run Tip of the Spear (which was recently gutted)

[bronze hound]

i use it with my sniper build as a quick charge nem

[tropic topaz]

it was? what was changed?

[fickle light]

It went from a decent weapon buff on signature kill to a signature weapon buff on signature kill

[bronze hound]

i like the change

[fickle light]

it is objectively a bad rework

[bronze hound]

i like it

saying its "objectively a bad rework" is a little bit exaggerative

[fickle light]

If it kept a smaller general damage buff while also giving a signature weapon buff then thats cool, but as it stands right now its just for the memes.

[bronze hound]

it doesnt do as much damage yes, but calling it a bad rework id disagree with

[fickle light]

It went from doing decent damage to doing no extra damage over a highend set. Its not worth running in the state it is in.

Actually doing quite less damage over a highend set.

[magic pilot]

Why do they look different?

[flint wave]

Because this named item in particular is weird

[bronze hound]

because thats not named

actually looks m,ore likje a visual glitch to me

[magic pilot]

I've noticed petrov is darker but my contractors aren't like that, normal gloves are

[dire finch]

What's the best weapon to build fast stacks for striker and switching to St. Elmos?

[urban latch]

ACS12

[dire finch]

Thank you.

[strange heath]

for building stacks of DPS quick, AA12 is always the answer

every individual pellet counts as a hit, making stacks climb exponentially per shotgun round

[onyx sage]

i mean, it's still linear, but 8x

[strange heath]

I run it on my striker build

or I do Vector .45 and FAMAS

[untold hearth]

Need a blue core Matador that's why

[bronze hound]

pvp build?

[untold hearth]

Yep

[bronze hound]

ah

[untold hearth]

If you look far up you'd see what I'd been doing lol, more or less look up what I've said and posted

But that's why

[glossy scarab]

five armor cores still not enough for pvp?

[untold hearth]

I've had advice from like maybe 3 people at this point, so I'm just updating my stuff as I can 🤷🏻‍♂️

[bronze hound]

pvp is all about high armour and getting all your weapon damage from expertise

[glossy scarab]

yeah i get it ive seen the 6 armor core builds. its just crazy how its like necessary to have armor that high

[bronze hound]

expertise caused it

[untold hearth]

I could literally slap on a contractor and foxes, but I'd be sacrificing my Grupo and Cheska at that point. So I got what I got rn lol

[glossy scarab]

yeah expertise shoulda been left out of pvp

[untold hearth]

Even my dam fenrir chest piece after like 200 countdown attempts is the best I got it so I'm not gonna torture myself for a rare drop for a while 🤣

[bronze hound]

pvp just isnt fun

its too unicorn-ey

[untold hearth]

I'm only doing so because I got a buddy of mine who needs a lesson

[glossy scarab]

plenty of ppl pvp.. and i guess im just lucky bc i have a fenris and ceska chest that dropped with unbreakable and chc chd

[untold hearth]

I commend u sir

[glossy scarab]

eh i dont even need em. thats the cruel irony

oh and i recently did find a matador with chc chd that i can put a blue core on but it needs optimization

[untold hearth]

If only you could share lol

[glossy scarab]

and i dont need that either lol

yea id give you all that stuff

[untold hearth]

Fuuuuu lol

☠️

[glossy scarab]

named item cache. i get a lot of repeats but once in a while its a super piece

[untold hearth]

Now ik what I'm putting my countdown points to

[glossy scarab]

good plan

[untold hearth]

Ok for those that are about to read this I might hurt peoples brain.

How does this sound,
A Scorpio, Momento, Hunters Fury Build?

[zinc yew]

For PvP ? Or PvE ?

[untold hearth]

At this point PvE

[zinc yew]

I use like this also but seems HF as better option 🤨 but to be fair memento/HF is good

[untold hearth]

Honestly, I been grinding for a PVP build for a while. And I have so much gear at this point, and I want to put something together that can handle Raids, Legendaries, and the incursion. Because I've never done any of those 😅

I have a good true patriot pieces using that long ago but idk If it's good anymore

[zinc yew]

Legendaries i think you should go for HS Build , with HF thats the way i see it more used

[untold hearth]

Can I be honest with you

What's HS and HF 🥲

[bronze hound]

HF without HH is bad for legendary

[zinc yew]

Hunter Fury and Headshot 😁

[untold hearth]

Ohhhhh

[glossy scarab]

no hh is headhunter

[sullen sun]

HF over HB?

[bronze hound]

HB is just striker but worse

[untold hearth]

God damit I'm old help me out 😅🤣

[sullen sun]

But you get armor back no?

[bronze hound]

WHY DID THAT BLEEP SO LOUD

[onyx sage]

no, you get bonus armor, not armor

[zinc yew]

Hahaha no problem 😉

[untold hearth]

Hold on too many H's!

[bronze hound]

someone ping me

[sullen sun]

Ping

[bronze hound]

thanks volume better now

[sullen sun]

I wonder if they’ll ever put crossplay in pve

[bronze hound]

never

theyve already gone over this before

[untold hearth]

So what then for PVE, y'all hurt my brain with the H's LMAO

[bronze hound]

h

[sullen sun]

H except the Tool song

[untold hearth]

I have over 300 pieces so I could slap on whatever would help me in Raids, incursion, etc lol

I've done neither

Or legendary

But I work and don't have the brain to know

[bronze hound]

are they 300 relevant pieces tho

[untold hearth]

Yes

Over 200 countdowns trust me lol

[bronze hound]

thats not a lot tbh

[untold hearth]

I only have 1 character lol

[sullen sun]

So I’m about to hit 1000..should I make another char?

[bronze hound]

up to you

depends if you need another character or not

[sullen sun]

Idk I mean you can always use the extra stash

[untold hearth]

So Hunters Fury, Headshot, Headhunter, or Striker???

[sullen sun]

Huh?

[untold hearth]

For PVE lol

[sullen sun]

Headhunter on HF??

[untold hearth]

God damit idk what Headhunter is 🤣

[sullen sun]

I’m assuming with the 8x scope?

[untold hearth]

This the first time I learn this lol

[sullen sun]

🤷‍♂️

[untold hearth]

Well I was hoping for a Scorpio cuz I got that lol

[glossy scarab]

guys. headhunter is a chest talent usually for marksman rifles. headhunters fury is a hunters fury build with headshot damage on all pieces, a headhunter chest and a * your choice of backpack * you use headhunters fury as a headshot build using a shotgun and/or pistol

[untold hearth]

Ohh

[fair echo]

I guess its common question here, but didnt find answer. Im fresh 30lvl, what build should I use now, and what I should looking for later? I check pins, but no words about best lvling build, and meta overall, or Im blind

[glossy scarab]

a good start is a red high end dps build. 3 pc providence, a grupo or fenris piece, foxes prayers and contractors gloves optional

[untold hearth]

You got anything for a PVE build for raids, incursion and legendary. Again I have not done any of them, yet I'm a day 1 player lol

[glossy scarab]

raids and incursions usually use all red builds like the one i just described above (unless you're specifically designated to be the healer or tank, but you as a new player for that content, that roll wont be put in your hands)

good to go for strikers

highest damage

[astral kraken]

ND focus build is a great entry point to legendary missions. Easy to use and be really helpful to the team on any legendary mission: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1fcAdqJ4wLH0Eh5f13qbWrklHdBfiXZYouEPvPYWXWe0/edit

I've used this Striker variant for a long time and it's always done work.

ND is better though IMO

[astral kraken]

yea elmo variant is gonna be dope

only thing is the ones is posted are based on shield peeking

which is more accessible when starting out. and you can't really do that with elmo as easily.

[glossy scarab]

nope

[astral kraken]

just hang out behind cover and provide dps for the team. helps learn all the good cover points. can easily solo DUA with it.

[untold hearth]

I feel naked someone help me lol

[glossy scarab]

what do you have as the blue secondary attributes on some of those pieces? armor regen or something?

[untold hearth]

Oh no mind you I've never really messed with these pieces they just been in my stash

[glossy scarab]

ohhh

[untold hearth]

But backpack has CHC, holster has CHD

[glossy scarab]

ok good

[untold hearth]

The gloves have Explosive res, and knees health

But I can go change those re whatever the words called

[untold hearth]

Yeah I've been grinding for PVP gear I have not put focus on PVE even tho I have so much lol

But it's time I do

[glossy scarab]

yeah i see you wouldnt be bothering much with prepping that gear for prime time

[untold hearth]

Should I recalibrate the gloves and knees?

[glossy scarab]

yeah but you should figure out if they should be chc or chd depending on how much chc you have on the build

[untold hearth]

Well cuz ya know they're blue so I figured if I should just get rid of the health and explosive damage lol

[glossy scarab]

for sure

[untold hearth]

Backpack has CHC and CHD, gloves CHC, and knees and holster both have CHD, the coyotes mask is on, fenrir chest with chd and CHC. Leaves me with 36% CHC and 95% CHD

I'm just going with the flow 🤷🏻‍♂️

[glossy scarab]

3 chc mods on the famas?

just be at least 50% chc when you look at your stats

[untold hearth]

Oh 2 CHC and 1 CHD

Now 3 CHC

I do have a Fenrir Chest, unbreakable, all Reds. Should I use that? @glossy scarab

[glossy scarab]

its not bad, but if you're not that worried about survivability and you want to do more damage then a chest with obliterate is one of the best

for that build

[untold hearth]

Done

I have 3 Fenrir Chest lol

I just recalibrated my extra one with red cores, changes the talent from unbreakable to obliterate

[glossy scarab]

good good

[untold hearth]

Has 1 CHD, 1 CHC, and a mod CHC

Next?

[glossy scarab]

now you just gotta get used to pve playstyle tactics

[untold hearth]

This shit all red 🤣

[glossy scarab]

lol its a whole different ballgame

[untold hearth]

90% CHD and 45% CHC

[untold hearth]

For Raids, incursion and legendary?

Again never done em

[glossy scarab]

yeah it should be pretty different from the way you play against other players in the dz

[untold hearth]

Any gun recommendations? Besides my Scorpio

[glossy scarab]

famas is good

[untold hearth]

I got chameleon, lady dead, backfire, bullet king, blue screen, sacred imperium, diamond back, doctor home, and merciless

I got honey badger, burn out, etc lol

[flint wave]

lady dead, I agree

[glossy scarab]

eh. chameleon isnt very good. lady death isnt very viable in pve (unless you play on normal), sacrum imperium is trash. doctor home is good, merciless is extremely hard to handle. honey badger is good, burnout is good

[flint wave]

I like chameleon with one build

[untold hearth]

But my famas is good enough lol and Scorpio

[glossy scarab]

yeah its not unusable or anything

[untold hearth]

Holy shit the damage 👀

[delicate fjord]

Anyone have any sources for good dz builds right now?

I feel like I am getting smacked

[untold hearth]

This goodluck farming

Except that health should be chc or chd

Lol

And backpack blue core

Not the shotgun or skills down below ignore those lol

[urban latch]

PVP guide from the pinned spreadsheet

[untold hearth]

Sir even tho my stats aren't full maxed you did help me out big time so thank you I will give this a go in raids, incursion and legendary once I have friends 😅 lol

[glossy scarab]

no problem. happy to help. dont ignore pve!

[shy willow]

Would the iron lung work well with ongoing directive

[tulip mauve]

So, after farming Countdown like a madman and learning a few things in the process, I managed to get this gear for the Hotshot set. Any advice on what to focus on to enhance it? My main aim is to use it as my go-to build for heroic CPs, hostages and stuff on the map.

[urban latch]

Crit really isn't important on headhunter builds, so you can lose the 1p ceska. On the backpack you ideally want something like airaldi with vigilance, hotshot backpack really isn't worth it

[round zinc]

can i have le build

[round zinc]

ditch the ceska and use a providence piece,or hasburg if you have a good roll

chc is irrelevant for sniper builds

[round zinc]

forge is an interesting choice,can you explain the build more

[flint wave]

forge is used because when your playing that close to enemies the shield takes a big beating. Which is where chameleon is encouraged to play at. The leg shot buff, which gives you a super quick reload speed is probably the most important buff next to weapon damage body shot buff

50% shield health helped alot in my experience in trying to face tank enough to get the chameleon buffs

[round zinc]

50% shield health bonus only counts from your base t0 shield health,no?

[flint wave]

where did u hear that?

[round zinc]

i must have been mistaken then

200 striker stacks?

[flint wave]

Easy to get when ur weapon reloads in less then half a second

[round zinc]

i see

[flint wave]

and also chameleon starts weak

without damage buffs

[round zinc]

memento for more survivability i presume

[flint wave]

with the amount of armor cores on here. Yes

[round zinc]

hmm,what about 2 piece of belstone and unstoppable force on the backpack?

10% aok and passive 1% regen

[flint wave]

Idk but I don't wanna die if I get shot in the back, because you are gonna be up close alot with this

[magic pilot]

You are correct

[round zinc]

richter is also like

[flint wave]

with fixer drone it's not horrible

[urban latch]

Forge really isn't worth it, especially when you've already got a t6 shield

[round zinc]

i think the filter just deleted my rant about richter

[urban latch]

Lol

[magic pilot]

Don't say the building that summit is in

Touches the sky

[flint wave]

lol

scrapes the sky even

[magic pilot]

Did they fix it

Nope

[round zinc]

what building is summit in

[untold hearth]

Oi, I'm holding off on the backpack for now. But the builds good lol

[round zinc]

BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

no fucking way

[untold hearth]

?

[flint wave]

I hope it's true because I agree having to run Richter instead of going with ceska or something sucks

but I thought the 50% shield health was more worth it then the brand for what the playstyle this build promotes

[round zinc]

is your crit chance 40% without ceska rn

if yes then run a grupo instead

[flint wave]

4% off 60%

[round zinc]

hmm

lower the crit chance to 40%,spec more into chd

aim for leg,then head

[flint wave]

head is hard to get wiryout helmet enemies

[round zinc]

head buff gives 20% chc which should fill in nicely

[flint wave]

like they just die

[round zinc]

which makes up 80% of the enemies

[flint wave]

no stacks

[round zinc]

and chameleon starts off weak

[flint wave]

Once it gets reload or body damage buff it's fine

[round zinc]

more damage just means you clean room faster

i think the biggest problem with cham for me is how ammo hungry it is

[magic pilot]

I go for reload buff first

[round zinc]

its like one of the few weapons that always run out of ammo for me

[flint wave]

yeah don't skip ammo boxes lol, I learned that on the Cindy manhunt this season

but other then that I was fine

[round zinc]

also i can easily recommend using booster hive

[flint wave]

like i need to reload any faster LOL

[round zinc]

the handling buff is great for when you cant push up for pinned down

mostly accuracy for longer ranges

should give you like,5m more before it starts spraying all over the place

[flint wave]

Well you shouldn't be frequently trying to long-range stuff with a "Assault rifle" with smg optimal range

[round zinc]

if you deal less damage

you can land more hits which means build stacks faster

and cham basically grants near double damage after you get the chest buff

so range isn't an issue lmfao

[tawdry flare]

At tier 6 1 pcs empress will give you more

It is multiplicative with shield health

[fallow turret]

Guys I need the named Matador piece, what's is the best way to farm for it?

[patent elm]

So you're saying dealing less dmg such that you can build more stacks which allows you to then deal more dmg is what you want to do?

How about, you know, just don't deal less dmg in the first place so you don't need stacks to get good dmg?

[tawdry flare]

Farm cd and buy named cache

[round zinc]

cuz then when i have good damage i can play at the closer range for more damage

[tawdry flare]

Enemies should have been dead

[untold hearth]

Isn't it a DZ drop tho?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but can drop from named cache or incursion has a chance to drop them

[untold hearth]

Ah just double checking lol, haven't done incursion yet but noted

[fallen comet]

anyways to make this kinda useful? just dropped from a cache and i dont want to waste it lol

[tawdry flare]

Deconstruct if it was an empress it would have been okay

[fallen comet]

such a good roll on such a sh*tty brand

[patent elm]

It's not a particularly good roll though?

[tawdry flare]

Double crit and the talent is nice

[livid horizon]

Alps, Murakami, R&K, Gila, Uzina, Lengmo are pretty much instantly deleted for me.

doesn't matter what the rolls are, they're just bad brands

Maybe Alps backpack with opportunistic is an exception...

[hollow pasture]

After using exuro with skilled
The flame turret can be very fun when you know when to turn the turret off and on

Especially for control points and missions

[tawdry flare]

Uzina huh delete double crit closer and double yellow setup on sight

[livid horizon]

double yellow setup - yes, closer, nah

[patent elm]

Setup is perfect opportunistic? That with repair skill is sick af

[hollow pasture]

Yea it's made for healers

[magic pilot]

Even then setup is better. Uzina has decent uses. All niche pieces tho

[urban latch]

That's the dream...

[onyx sage]

The Setup*

[urban latch]

I was setup for that...

[hollow pasture]

What am I seeing
I'm gonna shoot myself 😭😭😭

We already have a FI healer and dude is running this

[urban latch]

I swear ninjabike breaks people's brains

[cyan drift]

I use it sometimes but I don't smack it on like duct tape and call it a day

[hollow pasture]

This dude is the sole reason we are failing at one phasing Johnson

I love how randoms aswell think switching from a healer to a tank is a great idea for lovebirds

Ur just making everyone's job even harder

[magic pilot]

Love the unbreakable on the healer lmao

[magic pilot]

I already had the red bp

[bright raptor]

the expertise 5 decoy and expertise 2 hive hrrrrk

[hollow pasture]

Will come in clutch for the damage they will be doing
Facetank god incoming 😂

[magic pilot]

I wonder what the optimal striker build would be assuming you always have mid coyotes buff from another person

[hollow pasture]

The only build I have with it saved is a strikers umbra

[flint wave]

probably doesn't use a ceska piece or coyotes mask, simple

[blissful rampart]

would be Ceska + 1 other piece (grupo or dodge city or memento being the top choices)

[magic pilot]

What about with smg

[blissful rampart]

same thing

actually you could swap out ceska if not using an exotic (need to run 2 chc rolls on both high ends though). but ceska needed if running dch or memento

[tawdry flare]

DCH >>> Memento no doubt

[magic pilot]

Gotcha

[hollow pasture]

I think I'm losing my mind

I'm gonna go insane

[flint wave]

yellow foxes lmao

[urban latch]

Are these people trying to do the incursion?

[hollow pasture]

Indeed lmao

[urban latch]

No wonder people are struggling...

[hollow pasture]

Yep

[sullen sun]

What’s the optimal build for HW for dmg?

[hexed steppe]

If for seeker spam use hw bag,
yellow sacrifice with skill damage and haste
Another China piece and fill in with 3 HW.
Capacitor
Mop or other shotgun with insync.
Demo
Hive or turret to proc feedback loop

If it's for a non explosive skill use wyvern for the skill damage

[hexed steppe]

Forgot tag 👆

[sullen sun]

No glass?

[hexed steppe]

Sacrifice chest is perfect glass

Its a unicorn tho and wyvern can be used

[sullen sun]

Always coming through

[hexed steppe]

If you want big damage you'll want to look up the high end mortar build on the sheet 👍
I get my turret back in about 10 seconds on mine.

Hw great for spamming seekers and jammer pulse

[sullen sun]

So no Wyvern if you’re using seekers?

[hexed steppe]

Well the china gives a bigger buff with explosive damage.

If no sacrifice 1 wyvern 1 china is good

[hollow pasture]

This is the HW build I run
Still looking for a better wyven
Claws out for now

[hexed steppe]

Seekers will use both

[blissful rampart]

claws out sucks fyi also china is much stronger then wyvern

[hollow pasture]

Oh yea I know it's just me being lazy to go into countdown and grind the better pieces

[blissful rampart]

you dont have wyvern mask or gloves or knees?

[vestal ibex]

I have a friend who is over 6k SHD with less than 5 items in their stash... Some people don't have anything.

[hexed steppe]

its usually able to be crafted

[gentle lichen]

Skill tier related gear or gearsets are easily crafted

I usually don't keep my EP build

[vestal ibex]

All skill gear sets if you are keeping skill tier are perfect rolls.

[gentle lichen]

Exactly so if you have the materials you can always have an EP build without saving one and putting it in stash

Or FI but more tricky since it requires IH materials

[hexed steppe]

just cant quick swap that way

[vestal ibex]

He skill items aren't the same tho.

[hexed steppe]

they are fairly easy as well

[gentle lichen]

If it's your go to build then save it. I occasionally use EP for certain activities so I don't use it as often

Used one for league then deconstructed

[hexed steppe]

i do keep a couple variations 🍻