td2-build-advice

[hexed steppe]

There is better, and there is worse

[cerulean smelt]

too much spread for my tastes. Strikers does make it a bit more managable

[hexed steppe]

Famas, police m4, carbine 7, elmo
Are the goto ars

[cerulean smelt]

i keep forgetting carbine 7 being a laser when it shoots

[hexed steppe]

Kingbreaker on a heartbreaker build

[tropic topaz]

can you even get kingbreaker now?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah c7 flatline was my jam before elmo... now CBA to equip it

[cerulean smelt]

heartbreaker to me is old striker from Div 1

[thin patrol]

Striker + elmo or oreo = Running Butcher meta 😂

[cerulean smelt]

AR targeted loot, named caches

[tropic topaz]

and what about its blueprint?:(

[hexed steppe]

Idk if one is available

Dont think it is tho

[tropic topaz]

why the hell am i even trying to optimise the build if i know damn well i won't go anywhere but challenging freeroam:(

[cerulean smelt]

i just had a thought. waht would the damage be like if Technician + Strikers + Kingbreaker or any ar with flatline + spotter?

i know if we're going that route might as well put on heartbreaker

[hexed steppe]

On striker spotter would be less than oblit since it's the only source of twd. With ramp up tho so it could be close when averaged

You'll just have to figure in 5% less chc since laser needed as well. But if you use a striker drone or something the spotter will to double duty

Easier just using glass

[cerulean smelt]

i wish we could get perfect unstoppable force on something like Walker and Harris

[tropic topaz]

how do people get max buffs on gear, i am a bit lost

[cerulean smelt]

either running heroic/legendary mission over and over until they get what they want on them then recalibrate the 1 stat they want to change or the long hard way is being satisified with a number and using optimization to max

if max buffs you mean the cores and attribute numbers

[tropic topaz]

isn't optimisation hell of expensive?:(

[onyx sage]

that's the point yeah

[cerulean smelt]

depends how many times you have to. some people get lucky and find a piece that has a max stat, crap stat and 1 optimization from max

[onyx sage]

you're encouraged to farm for as high rolls as you can via high difficulties before turning to optimization

[cerulean smelt]

they ever do anything to the 100 floor "exploit"? where you can have someone that has it saved and people join on them and they leave so they keep the 100 floor save for numerous runs?

[tropic topaz]

and if i use anything other than max stats gear, will i not get accepted into any group for heroic free roam/legendary stronghold/raid?

[cerulean smelt]

think legendary would be one of the get inspected and booted in matchmaking? free roam they're being a jerk if they do. raids depend on the person in charge so to speak

[tulip charm]

Theres a saying the correct rolls are better than max rolls

Its doesnt have to be maxed out to be accepted into stuff like that

[onyx sage]

for grouping you don't have to get max rolls but correct rolls as well as put in some effort

[royal nimbus]

In most situations just maxing out what you need would be acceptable

[onyx sage]

but for solo (which you asked earlier) you really have to gear yourself well

[tropic topaz]

that question was just a question and should not have been counted:(

[cerulean smelt]

hell, if you get a DPS or Infinite Pulse Jamming Hardwired build going, think people would be happy to take you into Dark Hours Raids

[tulip charm]

I mean if you're trying to solo the hardest content then you should already be at that point where most of your stuff is minmaxed

[urban latch]

You can still farm for gear but you won't get much exp. Before it used to be the top exp farming method, although not too many people knew about it

[cerulean smelt]

but if you're fresh returning from NY and trying to do Heroic would be a little bit difficult

[tropic topaz]

fresh returning from NY? as in from td1?

[cerulean smelt]

i wasn't thinking about the Exp aspect just the gear farming aspect

[hexed steppe]

Countdown is way faster to gear properly

[cerulean smelt]

Div 2 we start off in Washington DC to level 30, then we head to NY for levels 31-40 and unable to return to DC until we're 40

[urban latch]

If your farming f100 for gear just make sure your using the oxy method. If your sitting back in the room with scorpions your wasting your time

[tropic topaz]

oh

[cerulean smelt]

yeah obviously, but depending on how long it takes to finish floor 100 and if lootcifer is nice getting max stats for library might be a bit easier and better than countdown considering each countdown run isn't guaranteed to finish it

[tulip charm]

Well you also need someone else to do it no?

for f100

[tropic topaz]

what are good backpack perks to throw in the umbral initiative 4 piece set with vest? or should the vest be ditched on favour of obliterate

[cerulean smelt]

from what i remember. one piece increases the stacks you get in cover the other increases the stacks out of cover so can't say for sure

[tulip charm]

wasnt it chest

[onyx sage]

i'm just putting it in perspective so you can see how grouping is easier than solo in terms of your investment

[tropic topaz]

ves buffs the firerate and critical damage stacks(stack in cover, work out of cover)
backpack buffs healing stacks(stack out of cover, work in cover)

[onyx sage]

chestpiece use umbra, backpack use high end

[hexed steppe]

So this is where we disagree.
Challenging countdown is really easy to finish even when carrying 3-4 agents.
You'll get an exo cache ever 30 minutes
You'll get a ton of named drops and target loot.
The massive amount you get from cd is not matched anywhere else for quantity.
Also challenging cd is closer to heroic quality loot from personal experience .

Do you think floor 100 is easier than countdown to finish for a rookie with, not to mention the point is farming a proper build 🤔

[flint wave]

I like the new named bag backbone with umbra

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, pretty much what can be done is Person A with 100 floor saved can have person B join them in summit, swap characters/account and join on person B and clear floor 100

[flint wave]

The brand loss does not matter with umbra(with the gun I run)

And umbra doesn't run bag

[onyx sage]

i love umbra with shotguns so much

[flint wave]

Which shotguj

[tropic topaz]

i was a fool using ninjabyke, and now i don't know what high end backpack i should use:)

[onyx sage]

i personally use six12

[flint wave]

Mop gun it is then

[cerulean smelt]

for me Summit/FLoor 100 would be less stress inducing in terms of playing in general. if countdown had be changed where we get loot at the very end then i'd be happy to run it over and over

[tropic topaz]

also, the question that bugs me.. Is it ok to not have a single exotic in the build(like both in guns and armor) acceptable?:(

[flint wave]

yes

[cerulean smelt]

yes, as long as your build accounts for it

[onyx sage]

exotics are not be-all-end-all unless the build requires it yeah

[royal nimbus]

That reminds me I need to finish my lmg one

[flint wave]

Coyotes mask more like second 1pc ceska piece

[tropic topaz]

so I'm not handycapping myself by not using exotics, good to know

[hexed steppe]

Yeah cause joining/leaving/swap acct/joining is time efficient.
Each cd run nets like 30-40ish items.
Most know what to do so they're fairly smooth. Especially when I'm your cc guy 😎

[flint wave]

with ouro in the game, you will on dps builds

[tulip charm]

I respect anyone who runs support builds in cd

[flint wave]

don't care that much tho

[tulip charm]

Makes the run way easier

[tropic topaz]

ouro?

[cerulean smelt]

new exotic SMG in incursion Ouroboros is the full name of it

[flint wave]

tiny smg that does too much damage

[tropic topaz]

aaaaa

[royal nimbus]

I just heal people in cd, no point in being the eighth dps player

[cerulean smelt]

people will eitehr shorten to ouro or oreo

[flint wave]

cc > heal

[tropic topaz]

i am overwhelmed

[hexed steppe]

100% hazpro perf creeping foam ep. Works awesome

[flint wave]

Haz pro outside of extraction?

[cerulean smelt]

i'm still tempted to run a perfect vanguard and perfect galvanize build i saw recently

[hexed steppe]

Yeah hunters in beginning too

Stage left/ scorpio debuffing too. Although is scorpio bugged everywhere or just incursions

[tulip charm]

?

[cerulean smelt]

speaking of hunters and rouge AI get yourself a Scorpio Exotic Shotgun @tropic topaz

[tulip charm]

What happened to scorpio now

[flint wave]

It got deleted from the game

[tulip charm]

Huh?

[flint wave]

obv

[tropic topaz]

what? why?

[cerulean smelt]

makes it much easier killing them especially if you can get close to them XD

[hexed steppe]

Last patch bugged it but I'm not sure if it's just incursions or everywhere

[tulip charm]

bug with what

[flint wave]

how

[cerulean smelt]

the talent on Scorpio
alent: Septic Shock
Shooting a target applies stacks of venom, which last for 10s. Increasing stacks adds more severe debuffs to the target.

1 - Poison
3 - Disorient
6 - Shock
7 - Target takes 20% damage (from all sources)

[tropic topaz]

i did not encounter any hunters or rogue ais in my measly 200 hours

[flint wave]

rogue ais?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah you know you do things and Issac "rogue agents detected" when in PVE

[tulip charm]

best exo in the game and is insanely noob friendly

[flint wave]

don't sound like rogue agents to me

[cerulean smelt]

then the sound track starts playing

[tropic topaz]

i heard "rogue agents detected nearby" but my pulse didn't reveal anything:(

[royal nimbus]

I like it when Isaac warns me of rogue agents when I'm grinding activities but only a rogue drone shows up, while the agent themselves don't

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, in Open world they could be anywhere it seems lol

[flint wave]

Fog of war moment

Rogue agents can use hunter smoke apparently

[tropic topaz]

the notification I'm afraid of is "a nearby Agent had gone rogue" because damn i suck ass in the dz

[royal nimbus]

I like to think the agents just get bored and go elsewhere

[flint wave]

as if people weren't confused enougu

[cerulean smelt]

i wish the watching hunter wouldn't keep us in combat

[tropic topaz]

the watching hunter? from season 10 manhunt?

[flint wave]

lmao

[cerulean smelt]

ran into them in West Potomac Park too many times and i'm running to another encounter with 1/4 armor left T_T

[flint wave]

stalker hunters dont keep you in conbat

[tropic topaz]

wait there are random hunters spawning now? what the hell did i miss!?

[flint wave]

your hud flashes a bit but that's it

[flint wave]

Hunters that don't attack you and spawn on a high place

[cerulean smelt]

funnily this one did. my armor never regenerated and my mini radar had a nice red circle around it

[flint wave]

shooting them makes them smoke

[tropic topaz]

can you kill them?

[flint wave]

idk

[glad heart]

No

[royal nimbus]

wasn't there one who hits you with the shock status and walks off?

[cerulean smelt]

maybe a Chainkiller + determined build granted you have determined buff

[flint wave]

Thats in Lewis manhunt

[cerulean smelt]

but they'd probably just be left with 1 hp and disappear in a smoke

[flint wave]

Hunters have more then 28m health assuming they use the enemies health itself

[tropic topaz]

i wish i had someone to play with:(

[flint wave]

Call for backup or be a shepard

[tropic topaz]

i am shit so being a shepherd is out of a question:(

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i came back from a break and all my friends all quit playing in general. they all seemed to have moved on to other games

[cerulean smelt]

hey'd i'd welcome you coming in throwing me a revive hive and still do the shepard reward for you

[tropic topaz]

do you go down that often?:)

[cerulean smelt]

too many times

[flint wave]

shoot a fire barrel near them

[delicate laurel]

I go down alot as well

[cerulean smelt]

especially if i play a Oxidizer build

[flint wave]

I run red build with only one blue core so I'm bound to die eventually

[delicate laurel]

I'm squishy

[cerulean smelt]

i always find them buggy covers where my agent does some wierd thing and the oxidizer just hits my cover and i can't leave cover and die bit

[hexed steppe]

Shepherd rank 25 commendation, get it

[flint wave]

overcharged oxis are good ff sources too

huge radius

[tropic topaz]

thats one reason i run pizzicato holster and ninjabyke.. 2 skill 2 blue 2 red from 2 pieces of gear.. but otherwise the build is fucking trash

[delicate laurel]

I need incentive besides a patch

[hexed steppe]

But it's a pretty sweet patch 😍

[flint wave]

Helping = good

[delicate laurel]

Yea but its a patch it may be cool

[cerulean smelt]

now if we got a key and go someplace to open a cache for goodies then i'd be happy to shepard a lot

[tropic topaz]

what key

[hexed steppe]

I mean.. it's only 183 endorsements to rank 25

[tropic topaz]

only??

[delicate laurel]

Not everyone camps the call for backup like you 🤣

[hexed steppe]

Friend and clan dont count btw

[slate wedge]

noooooooooo

no no no no

i sweat to god, no

[tropic topaz]

what

[hexed steppe]

🤣

[slate wedge]

swap picaros for a second striker piece

[cerulean smelt]

but the smg goes br if you do XD

[tropic topaz]

but i like the armor, damage and skill point ;-;

[flint wave]

what is this

[slate wedge]

the build is bad anyways

[flint wave]

💀

Noob trap if it was a build:

[slate wedge]

everybody that uses NinjaBike Badpack likr serious should be sent to a camp

[tropic topaz]

i know

[slate wedge]

where they get like building lessons evryday

[cerulean smelt]

but it's great!

[flint wave]

exactly it's the only way to achieve 80% aok

[slate wedge]

i just realized the first sentence might not be so good on its own

[flint wave]

literally invincible

[tropic topaz]

i should get shot in the head for making the build instead

[cerulean smelt]

least you didn't do the 4 umbra, memento and something build XD

[flint wave]

we need a brand that gives chd and chc on one and two piece

[tropic topaz]

i would go 4 umbra and memento if i had memento

[delicate laurel]

thanks for the idea

[tropic topaz]

because i like umbra

[cerulean smelt]

i find it funny how memento is held in high regards

[delicate laurel]

it looks cool

[flint wave]

because it's talent is real

ninjabike is fake

[hexed steppe]

One of the hardest working single items in the game

[cerulean smelt]

shrugs i never run around collecting them until everythings dead so what's the point in it?

[flint wave]

Thats your problem

[tropic topaz]

i still like it :(

[flint wave]

collect the shit

Scoop up the remains

[cerulean smelt]

now, if they changed it to like doctor home and per kill just get the trophies automatically then i'd love it

[flint wave]

That's called blood sucker talent

[cerulean smelt]

for bonus armor sure, but not the weapon and skill efficiency aspect

[flint wave]

Don't need weapon and skill on sniper builds

[hexed steppe]

You know if you kill something inside its spawn or area not accessible you get the trophy automatically

[tropic topaz]

i hate doctor home for one reason: the scope :(

[flint wave]

binoculars

[cerulean smelt]

3 seasons ago? it dropped trophies like memento

[tropic topaz]

i hate that div2 doesn't allow to go back to third person view when adsing with high magnification scope :(

[flint wave]

cope

ur on pc u got this easy

[tropic topaz]

div1 allowed that

[cerulean smelt]

i watched a gif on a server where there's a Remote Looting in Div 1 and i was like oh right that was a thing, why isn't it in Div 2? XD

[tropic topaz]

if i wanted to play a fps game, I would
but i came to play the third person shooter, why they force me in first person

[hexed steppe]

C79 scope solves that

Its Crit chance scope as well

[tropic topaz]

i can't slap that on everything now, can i?
maybe I'd love to use the nemesis or the doctor home or the exotic svd but i can't handle high magnification scopes:(

[royal nimbus]

Anyone think that the sleigher could be made to be more than a meme?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah not on exotics

[flint wave]

It's meta on legendary with 5.11

[cerulean smelt]

when i read the talent i was like hell ya, but when i got it i was like wtf is this?!?! and it just sits in my stash now XD

[tropic topaz]

is it better than headshot damage scope?

[hexed steppe]

On a crit build like umbra or striker, absolutely

[tropic topaz]

or is 12x also a crit scope, i forgot

[flint wave]

Scopes allow you to headglitch wirb shields so thats worth it

[tropic topaz]

wirb shield?

[flint wave]

With

[tropic topaz]

also what's headglitch

[cerulean smelt]

one thing with umbra is you're trying get that 55-60% chc and then you use the chd of umbra talent to do some serious damage

[flint wave]

you can shoot but enemies can't shoot yiu

[tropic topaz]

i have 60 crit chance on my vector with umbra:(

[flint wave]

They have no LOS but you can still shoot them

[cerulean smelt]

like you're behind a full wall, put on a shield and use a gun wtih a scope and your gun pretty much shifts to the right a bit more so you can basically shoot without getting hit back while behind cover

the scoping headglitch is probably heavily used in PvP scenarios

[tropic topaz]

i need to take a closer look at my vector.. maybe i have too much critchance on it..

[royal nimbus]

or maybe not enough

[tropic topaz]

i have 60% already:(

[cerulean smelt]

considering killer talent or perfect killer your probably going over 60% easy XD

[tropic topaz]

killer? isn't it crit damage?

also isn't 60% a cap?

[cerulean smelt]

pretty sure killer gives a bit of chc and chd?

[tropic topaz]

i think it was just cd

[tulip charm]

Killer is only chd

needs to be a crit on the last hit to proc

[cerulean smelt]

ah, i assumed it did a bit of both XD

[flint wave]

Nah it's used everywhere if you have crusader

[brazen verge]

Would a shotgun build do better than an assault rifle?

[cerulean smelt]

not really considering you have to be toe to toe with most things

[onyx sage]

at close range yes

some even let you one tap enemies

but you have to be up close

[brazen verge]

See I found that I really like the shield plus shotgun combo, and im built for assault rifle but im finding myself using venom a lot more than the assault rifle

[onyx sage]

you checked out the hunters fury guide yes?

[brazen verge]

No no I haven’t, I’m doing all sorts of research but haven’t checked into that one

[onyx sage]

check out the sheet pinned in this channel, has a bunch of guides including hunter's fury which you're after

[brazen verge]

Ight bet thanks boss!

[tropic topaz]

does it have umbral initiative as well?:3

[onyx sage]

yes

[hexed steppe]

it has all the builds... all the good ones anyways

[forest forum]

Which is better, critical chance or critical damage?

[cerulean smelt]

well, crit damage is useless without crit chance

[forest forum]

So is crit chance good by itself?

[cerulean smelt]

i'm guessing you've got a build in mind where you either have a lot of chance or damage?

[forest forum]

Yes

[bronze hound]

what build is this

[forest forum]

Is skill damage any good

[bronze hound]

mate we need context

[forest forum]

Hunter furry

[bronze hound]

crit chance and crit damage

[forest forum]

Okay

So both

[rich cosmos]

Are there any builds that yall would recommend for using ridgeways pride, maybe umbra?

[cerulean smelt]

not sure if english isn't your native language but this still stands when it comes to crits #td2-build-advice message

[bronze hound]

if youre not using headhunter yes

[bronze hound]

personally, no

[forest forum]

Ty how long you played division

[cerulean smelt]

i'd guess ChampionEevee probably played since beta off and on XD

[forest forum]

I'm only played a few months but just got back into it after a year.

Year not playing b4 that was maybe barely a couple weeks

[bronze hound]

3100 something hours

[bronze hound]

actually no never did beta

ive been a day 1 player

can someone check my stat tracker

[bronze hound]

3,245

[forest forum]

I guess that's more accurate answer lol

[tropic topaz]

thats only division 2? dear god

[bronze hound]

yes

its not as bad as you think

[tropic topaz]

i have less hours in Warframe damn

[bronze hound]

i dont play large numbers of titles

[tropic topaz]

understandable

[bronze hound]

• this game has insane depth

[tropic topaz]

really? I didn't notice.. maybe cuz i didn't sink enough hours into it or maybe because i am just dumb as a brick

[bronze hound]

grab all the comms and youll see

[tropic topaz]

oh you meant the lore

[bronze hound]

yes

[magic pilot]

Not really any good ones for pve

[cerulean smelt]

problem with Ridgeway is you got to be a particular distanct to apply bleed and benefit from it i think?

[rich cosmos]

Yes 15m

They really should just raise it to at least 20m

[cerulean smelt]

now i'm not sure but do we have to stay within that 15m to get the armor regen aspect of it?

[rich cosmos]

I think its just applying the bleed in general

[cerulean smelt]

i feel get rid of the range and just we regenerate armor based on the bleed damage and it'd be a decent exotic

[rich cosmos]

There are a lot of exotics that would benefit from extremely minor number changes

[cerulean smelt]

now if they gave Ouroboros the Incesstant chatter talent oh my shivers

[magic pilot]

Yes

Oreo is what chatterbox should have been

[tawdry raven]

This game doesn't want me to have a DPS closer chest I only get one crit attribute

[tulip charm]

Just buy more luck

[magic pilot]

Just craft it like I did

[tawdry raven]

that'll cost a wony run to max lol

[magic pilot]

Well at least I can say I have it 🙂

[tropic topaz]

a wony run?

[tawdry raven]

U get a high shd level on ur main character then you make a 2nd character and start in wony dlc, beat it then u get keeners watch with the amount of points ur main character has which u can spend on resources that'll share to ur main character, basically the only good way of obtaining resources

Are double companion builds still worth it? Been keeping a eye for a DPS Henri too

[tropic topaz]

what is considered a high shd lvl? 4k?

[tawdry raven]

1.8k minimum recommended for wony runs

[tropic topaz]

oh

[tawdry raven]

Cuz at shd 1800 you only get 1000 resource points

From a wony run

No

[pearl atlas]

done

[covert meadow]

Hi can someone recommend a Countdown build to help to start and get gear?

[tawdry raven]

St Elmo, coyote mask, Groupo/ceska chest, rest strikers

[covert meadow]

Ok ty @tawdry raven

[tawdry raven]

So prob target loot strikers til u get some good DPS crit pieces and use the countdown credits on exotic caches til u score a St Elmo and a coyotes mask then work on finding the grupo or ceska chest piece with obliterate

[covert meadow]

Ok I actually had built this Heartbreakers thinking it would be better because of the armor but if I try to be careful and use angles I still seem to fall with it, so I will definitely get your setup @tawdry raven

[tawdry raven]

It def takes a bit of learning to survive on a all red DPS build, most armor cores I got on a build is like 2 i just prefer dps builds over tank

[covert meadow]

Ah makes sense*

[round zinc]

Chat
Would something like striker headhunter be viable

[fallen comet]

whats a good build for incursion? is it worth it to spec into PFE?

[round zinc]

Basically you hit 100 striker stacks then swap to a determined weapon

Hh bases the damage from the last shot so the decaying stacks dont matter much

[fallen comet]

this is my usual striker

[round zinc]

Pfe is fine

It helps with the ads but not against bosses

And turrets

As long as you’re not compromising your crit chance too much you can give up some chd for pfe

What you just posted works just fine

[fallen comet]

also i heard elmo is bugging the bosses? how does that work?

[round zinc]

I have no idea,you’ll just have to wait for someone else to come in

[fallen comet]

i know about the scorpio but sure about elmo

[dusty dock]

It’s the Scorpio. Hitting wright with it will keep him immune when getting hit with water still

[lethal trellis]

it's the shock ammo causing problems

[tawdry flare]

It's the poision part giving the problem

It reduces his health which triggers their ant-one shot mechanism

[pure rivet]

Man they really out here taking ToTS Sniper out back and shootin it in the head

[livid horizon]

good thing there are two dedicated sniper gearsets already

[pure rivet]

yea but wasnt tots was mathematically the strongest, i also miss old ND

[livid horizon]

there's nothing in it

[tawdry flare]

ND is still good imo but tots was very good now it is trash

[lethal trellis]

somehow they didn't test the mechanism with the most popular weapon

[tawdry flare]

Yeah if we count popular weapons Scorpio is the most easiest and the best one to get

[pure rivet]

Oh yea ND is still good for sure. But I really miss my Merciless ND days

[tawdry flare]

Never coming back

[livid horizon]

ND is till top tier

[carmine pewter]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/EwDgtALGAMYIxgMwxbNqNoFzAJyXkOQFZx1zNUsJgCEFk5oKXLotwpYFXfMd8XQnxEwBBbmyksscAGwB2AsFpxkwZHOLSsubejhQNYYvrazoSqHBvwzIrO1HZnMIA Probably the most stupid way of building a Striker 🤣

Someone in the other Discord wondered if HH + Striker would be possible

I guess, only consistent way to utilize this must be the shooting range

[astral kraken]

how the f do you even build stacks lol

you literally can't

[carmine pewter]

Use the M870?

[livid horizon]

ACS?

[carmine pewter]

ACS, hotswap to M870, start on headshots maybe

Again, only viable place is the shooting range as I suggested to test it out

[urban latch]

It technically hits harder than any other HH setup. It's obviously impractical but it is used in DH speedruns to one shot RB

[carmine pewter]

Oh

[tawdry flare]

You can use dch with striker as a way of capitalising on stacks cause it hits really hard

[halcyon prism]

is High-End or HF regulus build is gonna be better for farming open world on 5 directive ?

[cerulean smelt]

i prefer the High-end variant, but try both see which works best for you

[halcyon prism]

I have the HF version up and running rn will try put together the high-end variant thanks

will Weapon handling stats still be useful for PC version ?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, my mind with HF i'd have to get into that 15m radius to benefit from it when highend if i'm lucky and manage that yard headshot by lucky i'm happy with it

you know weapon handling is a variation of reload speed, stability and accuracy in one?

[halcyon prism]

didn't know that i was thinking about kinda like recoil and stuff. will def put it in then

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, probably that too and i just forgot to add it to the list of what it affects, but i think recoil is controlled by stabilitya nd accuracy? i forget honestly just know weapon handling does those kinds of things

weapon handling is the weapons answer to Skill Efficiency for skills

[halcyon prism]

alright thank for your help 🙂

[tawdry flare]

But it gives you aok hok cc extra DMG for being close to enemies

[calm anvil]

Hey guys, running striker is it best to get ceska chest or holster?

[cerulean smelt]

depends on what you're using it for i'd say

[calm anvil]

Right now I'm griding for st elmo on CD

what would it depend on

[cerulean smelt]

if you were using it in incursion i'd suggest striker chest since you'll have 200 stacks at some point

[calm anvil]

Yeah I would like to run incursion

[hidden stratus]

Has anyone ever get Hunter-Killer as a drop or in a case?

[cerulean smelt]

case only

[hidden stratus]

Okay thank you.

[cerulean smelt]

IE:hunt all hunters get keys and open the case

[lavish oyster]

I've made several tests for past days with Striker set veriations

1st, most DPS:
Coyote, Striker chest, Back, Holster and Gloves, Fox kneepads, PFE mods + Elmo's, 48% CHC other to CHD
at max stack able to pull out 13+ mil DPS

2nd less DPS but still OKish
Coyote, Ceska chest (Obliterate), Striker Back, Holster, Kneepads and Gloves, PFE mods + Elmo's, 52% CHC other to CHD
at max stack able to pull out 10-11 mil DPS

3rd - Chameleon fan
Coyote, Ceska chest (Obliterate), Striker Back, Holster, Kneepads and Gloves, PFE mods + Chameleon, 56% CHC (just can't make it less with Ceska) other to CHD:
Without Chameleon WD proc - 8-9 mil DPS at 10m and 6 mil at 20m range
With Chameleon WD proc - 12 mil DPS at 10m and 10+ mil DPS at 20m range

P.S. I tested var. 1, but with Heartbreaker (all red cores ofc) - it was only 8-9 mil DPS

P.P.S. I do not have Ouroboros so can't say how it will be with it.

[hexed steppe]

cassie sells it once its unlocked

[hidden stratus]

So after I get the 8 off-white keys and unlock the case, Cassie sells it once in a while?

[hexed steppe]

all the time

[glossy scarab]

cassie always has it

[cerulean smelt]

chances it has your attributes you want are probably winning the lottery there?

[glossy scarab]

never seen it with double crit

[cerulean smelt]

but why buy it when new character can just collect keys once 40 and open the cache? (> <)

[hidden stratus]

Ohh okay. Thanks for info.

I was asking becuase most exotics drop in countdown and I wanted to know if I was doin g it for nothing but really did need to farm the keys.

[lavish oyster]

your alts will have it too iirc

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, why i was asking why buy the chest when new character picks up keys and open cache

[lavish oyster]

I mean they have it in the store too

[cerulean smelt]

i know, but why use your ecredits to buy it when a fresh 40 can just pick up the hunter keys open cache and get it?

[cerulean smelt]

i need my ecredits for recalibrating/optimizing my gears than a piece of gear that i probably never use XD

[hexed steppe]

Not everyone running wony on repeat. Depending on need purchase is a lot quicker. Kind of a dead talent other than a few niche players... most just need 20 for expertise I imagine

[livid horizon]

Anyone manage to make a decent grenade spam build yet? This is where I got to with it, but I found that the nades were ok at best....

[cerulean smelt]

i pretty much got that but i got the backbone Perfect Unstoppable force talent where grenade kills gives you 2 stacks bit and still find it lacking

i'd honestly would love a nice collector grenade spamming build, but just can't find anything that works with it in general

[livid horizon]

cluster nades work best, but only on groups of enemies

[cerulean smelt]

nods tried demo and watched things live through it or dodge it completely

now if this was like div 1 and i could use acosta go bag 🤤

for now though, i can't be bothered trying it, got an idea or the perfect mad bomber chest and acosta skill build, but not sure how or if that'd be even be possible or even worth it

[livid horizon]

I have a build that does CC support with mad bomber chest and fire nades for proccing sledgehammer

also run foam and 4 x eclipse on that one

[cerulean smelt]

ohhh, so mad bomber chest, acosta go bag, eclipse and sledgehammer?

[candid night]

Eclipse 🫤

[bronze hound]

What's bad about eclipse

[livid horizon]

?

[livid horizon]

yep, with fire nades!

countdown players LOVE this build

[cerulean smelt]

there's a person on other server wants to go into countdow on exuro build and see how the hacked turret works XD

[candid night]

Just can't imagine playing heroic solo with eclipse. Also useless with how spread out btsu will be along with non existent damage to hounds

[bronze hound]

It's not for solo heroic

[candid night]

....

[livid horizon]

who said solo? It's a support build

[candid night]

Do grenades from demo spec weapon considered for chest talent?

[livid horizon]

demo nades do less damage than the cluster nades unfortunately

[candid night]

Does chest talent apply to those?

Increased radius/dmg etc

And mortar shells dont count as nades?

[livid horizon]

no, nades only, not mortar or grenade launcher

[tawdry flare]

Does the firewall grenade apply status?

[livid horizon]

dont think so

[tawdry flare]

Ok than

[livid horizon]

Highest grenade damage i saw was around 10m dmg (using the collector, 2 x grupo, and 1 x china light). but that was on 5 enemies

[tawdry flare]

Does dttoc dta apply to grenades

[livid horizon]

dont think so, not tested tho

[cerulean smelt]

a certain youtuber's video will probably tell you yes. title is something like grenade is clearing legendary rooms

[tawdry flare]

Is it a yellow coat YouTubeer

[cerulean smelt]

no

[tawdry flare]

Than 👀

[cerulean smelt]

and not annoying

[tawdry flare]

I see I am way off

[cerulean smelt]

you know "boys let me tell you about collector" in a smug tone and we see mostly gameplay footage then at the very very end they show us the build but very quickly so we can't exactly see a full picture of each thing they used

[livid horizon]

is it TUX?

[cerulean smelt]

nah, he gave up on it

[tawdry flare]

Lol the paid Tots youtuber

[cerulean smelt]

think tux's take was drop collector, use acosta go bag and mad bomber for an even better talent combination

[bronze hound]

What's the tots talent in pvp

[tawdry flare]

It's revolves around grenades

[bronze hound]

Okay

Even after TU19?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[bronze hound]

Okay

What's the exact description

[tawdry flare]

Mhh

[hidden stratus]

I never said I wanted to buy it, you are assuming it.

I asked since I was farming for it in countdown.

[cerulean smelt]

well, people were saying buy it from the gun runner and i'm just like why buy it when fresh 40 opens chest and gets it free

[cerulean smelt]

thing that sucked about the hunter stuff, you need night time and both DC and NY hunters to complete it

[tropic topaz]

are ny hunters hard?

[cerulean smelt]

nah, just my experience NY can be busy

[blissful rampart]

tbh those hunters are not hard because you can do them on normal 😛

[tawdry flare]

Depends on world difficulty

[cerulean smelt]

even easier if you have scorpios

[tropic topaz]

last hunter i killed was uuh not tough(but eh, i am a lame player on challenging,)

getting him to spawn was harder

[cerulean smelt]

nods lost of hunter puzzles to be had

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio the Hunter killer

[tropic topaz]

from what I've heard there's nothing Scorpio can't deal with

[cerulean smelt]

Wright boss O_O in incursion

[blissful rampart]

Wright boss atm. HA, gotcha

oh and also in pvp

[hazy valve]

Ok azure hear me out lol, 4 piece od, collector, fox prayers, lefty, maximum explosive damage and max bleed

How about it lol, this included dta and dtooc

[tawdry flare]

No no no

2groupo 1 china

Foxes contractors

[livid horizon]

#td2-build-advice message

[tawdry flare]

That's what I said lol

[blissful rampart]

Few things:
dtooc doesnt apply to grenades, dta does though. and most importantly grenades suck completely for damage even with those full buffs.

[tawdry flare]

I guess iwe can do challenging

[hazy valve]

Ugh, hard to make fun meta stuff lol

[livid horizon]

cluster nades can reach repectable damage using collector on multiple enemies

[cerulean smelt]

until we can do something like Demo + Cluster Grenade then maybe it might have something? XD

[blissful rampart]

iirc grenades need like a 400% damage buff (and grenade cooking baseline) to become competitive for damage.

[blissful rampart]

still no

[livid horizon]

no - another 20% would be fine

ive got 10m damage per enemy with clusters

[blissful rampart]

i can say thats is only exception Nug

outside of that complete trash for damage

[sullen sun]

What mods for HB anyone? Perfect focused version

[flint wave]

You can also do them on normal+

[tawdry flare]

Hard-

[livid horizon]

yea so another 20% per enemy would mean they would wipe out spawns in heroic content, which would be kinda cool

[blissful rampart]

not worth running focus (HB is cqb set) since HB chest is what makes the set good, without it its very meh.

go Strikers for focus instead. (or ND)

[flint wave]

👍

[sullen sun]

Raucey build is wrong you say? 🤔

So what do I run on face?

[blissful rampart]

HB is a close range set, focus is bad for cqb. is what i mean

also "what stats" crit stack it like normal.

for mask, run coyotes if using HB chest, otherwise not worth running it since that means youd have to run HB backpack which is weak imho.

[sullen sun]

So don’t use HB? lol

[cerulean smelt]

a few seasons ago it was fairly strong but got nerfed i believe

[sullen sun]

It’s shredding

Im@on heroic

[hazy valve]

So collector is 50% and 25% per enemy caught in extra, + oppo + perfect sledge, China light and grupo is 30% explosive... and dta

How much we talking

[livid horizon]

lol - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVWBrSMVrT0

[cerulean smelt]

think collector is 35% then 25% per enemy caught in grenade

i can't seem to get it to kill groups of enemies on heroic, but a youtuber was clearing legendary rooms with 1 grenade according to their title

[broken laurel]

what's nerfed?

[urban latch]

The focus setup literally hits harder than the chest.

[cerulean smelt]

heart breaker

[blissful rampart]

of course it does, i meant as in since HB is a CQB set so my 2nd point after @urban latch early AM for me still lol

[broken laurel]

ahh. i remember that it was overpowered the first time it came out. got myself a full build, then got nerfed.

[cerulean smelt]

i could never perfect it so i gave up

[flint wave]

my armor stacks bro

my blue armor

[blissful rampart]

HB was nerfed a while ago and went from broke to still good. its well balanced imho (less dps then strikers but much more defense then it)

[broken laurel]

still using it tho but not with the kingbreaker

i pair it with chameleon and acs12 for now

[blissful rampart]

kingbreaker fits perfectly fine with HB since HB you want to be CQB and kingbreaker is better close range

[vital apex]

If u want more RPM, the police m4 or Carbine 7 are gonna be better options than the chameleon

[broken laurel]

yes. i was using KB before the set got nerfed

[blissful rampart]

kingbreaker is highest dps AR in game atm (cause its talent) just has bad handling but not an issue in CQB

[vital apex]

TKB as well, right?

[blissful rampart]

no

[broken laurel]

no

[blissful rampart]

just kingbreaker cause talent

[vital apex]

pain

[blissful rampart]

TKB is middle of pack

[vital apex]

Is the akm considered better?

[broken laurel]

dunno. never used it

[cerulean smelt]

probably decent

[broken laurel]

ah yes. i remembered that KB uses AK model instead of TKB before the fix😅

[cerulean smelt]

police m4/carbine 7 is probably highly sought after because they're like a laser beam when shooting so you can even be far away popping heads

[broken laurel]

imma try HB with St elmo now

[vital apex]

How get pulse lol

[broken laurel]

just for fun

[cerulean smelt]

shoot heads

[vital apex]

true

[cerulean smelt]

or got the nightwatcher instant pulse cool down

[broken laurel]

imma go with the basic pulse since my pulse skill cooldown will resets the moment before new enemy spawned

[tropic topaz]

is "claws out" holster worth using? :(

[woven pewter]

Just put the tech laser pointer and you will be good.

[blissful rampart]

The ak missing mod slot is middle of the pack, the other aks are bottom though

[cerulean smelt]

for melee damage? sure i fyou like tickling people

[blissful rampart]

Nope

[urban latch]

Only very niche uses, and you need a unicorn roll for it to be worth it

[tropic topaz]

:(

unicorn roll?

[urban latch]

Very rare and exact combo to drop

[cerulean smelt]

like perfected stats and correct stats

[tawdry flare]

You mean a crit variant?

[urban latch]

Basically you need hsd already on it so you can reroll the code to weapon damage. And it's a dz exclusive named item, so it's a pain to farm the correct one

It's main use is basically swapping it in for DCH in pvp for pistol builds

[tropic topaz]

sad.. Does the melee daamge buff stack with lady death at least?

[urban latch]

It's additive with it

[cerulean smelt]

it does but still doesn't do enough damage to want to melee things

[urban latch]

Also melee damage is calculated super weirdly and it's so weak I have no interest in figuring out what exactly is going on with it lol

[tawdry flare]

I don't think we have a base meele value

[cerulean smelt]

probably the problem XD

[urban latch]

There's some weird interaction with melee damage that it does far more on health than it does on armor

Past that, no idea

[blissful rampart]

Hmmm maybe AR dth applies to melee?

[urban latch]

No idea, don't think so, but also don't care lol

[blissful rampart]

Same lol

[tawdry flare]

Lol

[cerulean smelt]

it's like with collector and nades. just weak in general

[tropic topaz]

dth?

[cerulean smelt]

damage to health

[tawdry flare]

Damage to health

[tropic topaz]

oh

[cerulean smelt]

long long long long long long long time ago builds consisted of, Fox's Prayer, Contractor's Gloves and Hallow man mask then 3 other pieces. this combo did so much stupid damage it was funny

[tropic topaz]

hallow man mask??

[cerulean smelt]

Yahl Named mask. Armor Core, Damage to Health and random attribute

god i miss Merciless and it ignoring armor damage.....was hilarious

[tropic topaz]

it did that? 0-0

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, was hilarious

[gentle lichen]

Collector with cluster grenades is decent for applying sledge or flushing out glasscannon builds in pvp

Mostly used in groups tho

[magic pilot]

Headshot dmg scales melee dmg for some reason

[magic pilot]

I got the blueprint the other day

Already had the unicorn though so it's dead to me

[flint wave]

new claws out chainkiller meta discovered

[tropic topaz]

what are uuh some good pistol perks?

[tawdry flare]

Infinite ammo

[tropic topaz]

very funny

[cerulean smelt]

what was it One is None?

that was a decent Perk

[tropic topaz]

what about pistol talents?

[bronze hound]

Determined finisher and sledgehammer

[tawdry flare]

Insync with kard? 👀

[bronze hound]

No

[flint wave]

Kard = second revive hive charge only

[cerulean smelt]

but determiend on it

[vestal ibex]

Determined is only a good pistol talent if you've got a HH type build.

I mean really the best talent is one you can make use of in your build, otherwise the pistol doesn't matter.

[delicate laurel]

I'm using the prophet magnum

[tropic topaz]

ah yws, ranger on shotgun, great

[magic pilot]

And optimal range🤣

[hexed steppe]

New meta?

[flint wave]

yes

hhf range edition

[hexed steppe]

My goto kard custom is usually sledge or insync if I'm running turret/drone/damage skill 👍

[rich cosmos]

My god who coded that talent

Make that 2% count

[bright raptor]

like I said many moons ago, imagine if The Send Off just had an extremely tight pellet group at range instead of the meme optimal range thing

[mental yoke]

I’m a returning player and trying to collect all the excotics I’ve missed out on in the last year or so. Anyone know what gun this is ?

[tropic topaz]

its doctor home

i think you can still get it for free in some section of the ingame store? may be wrong tho

[reef root]

I’m fairly new to the game and I bought the white death sniper from the clan vendor. Can I change the talent on it to determined?

[onyx sage]

yes

[reef root]

Ah great, thanks!

[livid salmon]

It's a freegun
you can get it from a Manhunt mission

[thin patrol]

Put on the 12x scope its fun

[tropic topaz]

wow thats a lot of damage

wish i could hit that levels of damage

[astral kraken]

what backpack you guys using for d50 headhunter builds?

[urban latch]

Vigilance, ideally gift

[magic pilot]

Vigi or memento on HF

[delicate laurel]

rate my level 40 build

these pieces were in my stash

[tropic topaz]

that sure looks better than any of my builds

[delicate laurel]

thanks for the sick emojis AK and moth lmao

[ionic frost]

So I have the healer build for the incursion btsu gloves alps bag, and future and everything but what stats and cores should I be doing and getting to

[astral kraken]

ok cool thanks. i'll farm for a gift with HSD. been using memento for now. i didn't realize how completely broken this build is lol

i actually laughed out loud

[hexed steppe]

memento works good with headhunter as well, its what i use on HH builds

[round zinc]

Perfect unstoppable force

[forest forum]

This mine, yours looks badass. Once i get my providence defense up the 15% weapon damage for holster i will use 3 instead 2.

Lol its my best build i rarely get killed with unbreakable and clutch

[tawdry flare]

You should use nego with 4pcs

Instead of just go regular high end

[forest forum]

And i kill enemies way easier on heroic so i love it.

[tawdry flare]

With nego you can kill 3 enemies at once

[forest forum]

I need to build up weapon damage for my 4pcs

[tawdry flare]

Nego drops with weapon dmg remove the holster and put on nego holster

[forest forum]

This my 2nd fav

Its more safe alternative

[forest forum]

I will try it out again. Wym it drops with weapon dmg?

Oh wait the hostile nego for 4peice

[tawdry flare]

Nego pcs always drops with weapon dmg and it has 2 rolls the core and the 2ndry

So core is always red just reroll 2nd attribute to crit dmg

[forest forum]

I got all my 4pc crit dam for attributes i was wondering if i did that right

[tawdry flare]

The rule with crit is get close to 60% CHC 50-55 with coyote dump the rest in CHD

[forest forum]

coyote dump?

[tawdry flare]

Coyote mask than dump

[forest forum]

Oh i can't find one again

[rich cosmos]

“Oh yeah its all coming together”

Please tell me these builds aren’t serious

[forest forum]

Judge away idc but least it works for me. Incursion needs teamwork and i didn't even use that build but thx for the "oh yeah its coming together"
Real cool bro.

[rich cosmos]

These builds are just not it chief

They look like builds I used to make before I found out how gear sets actually worked

The builds just simply don’t make sense

[untold hearth]

I got the gloves finally after almost 10 countdown attempts. So this is literally all I need as an update for PVP in the DZ???

Even curious question as to why not Contractor Gloves? And why Matador, wouldn't my Cheska BP be better?

[sullen sun]

Why do guns like the CTAR and the P4 exist?

Especially since there shittier versions of predecessors

[delicate laurel]

CTAR is meh

[rich cosmos]

Better question, why do half the rifles in the game suck balls

[untold hearth]

We will never know

[tulip charm]

fillers

and why no1 knows

[untold hearth]

I just like it when bullet king goes brrrrrrrrrrrrr .....

[rich cosmos]

Half the rifles easily could jus be reworked into assault rifles

[urban latch]

At the very least get a 4th piece of the gearset for each build

[sullen sun]

Optimist for more blue cores? What if all red?

Strained?

[forest forum]

I am trying it out again i was waiting to build up my weapon instead but I'll try it with the 4th one. Wasn't too crazy bout it last time cuz my weapon dam so low.

[forest forum]

I just got bullet king my first exotic in a good while. Not sure if its any better than elmos engine one i use.

[tulip charm]

Spoiler Alert: It isnt.

[delicate laurel]

Bullet king fre exo comp

[bronze hound]

What's happening

[delicate laurel]

I'd dismantle it and get a free c
Exoitc component

[onyx sage]

saw bankai in white house an hour ago

[bronze hound]

Bk? Yeah deconstruct it

[delicate laurel]

So I do have a long lost twin

[bronze hound]

Absolutely garbo

[onyx sage]

nah it's you

[delicate laurel]

I didn't see you 🤣

[onyx sage]

it's dien.aka.kim

[delicate laurel]

I don't pay attention to names in the Whitehouse I go in do whatever then leave

[tawdry flare]

You were not using Binoculars

[onyx sage]

yeah i got there to prep some expertise then did some level farming

[bronze hound]

I found Raucey in a safe house once

[tawdry flare]

I found ronon_lul once

[delicate laurel]

I found deck in the Whitehouse a while ago

[onyx sage]

stop hanging out with speedrunners and play with us

[tawdry flare]

I can't find you guys usually cause you are in different servers

[forest forum]

Doesn't that require blueprints?

[delicate laurel]

I'm elusive

To dismantle? No

[tawdry flare]

I was with saph and eevee that time

[bronze hound]

I don't remember this so you're lying

[tawdry flare]

When we did our incursion

[delicate laurel]

Game caught in 4k

[tawdry flare]

Let me put up evidence

[bronze hound]

I remember this so you're not lying

[tawdry flare]

You told the amazing strategy to stay behind and we got wiped

[bronze hound]

What

[tawdry flare]

Harakiri with Bankai

[delicate laurel]

Guys if you want a free oreo go to central chat 🤣 guy is apperantly dropping them in the Whitehouse

[bronze hound]

What are you referring to

[delicate laurel]

Quiet you

[tawdry flare]

You told us to stay behind gate and go minimally outside we got wiped

[bronze hound]

? No

[tawdry flare]

Yes? Can ask saph

[bronze hound]

@half frigate tell nerf to stop lying

[urban latch]

We've raised together multiple times before lol

[bronze hound]

Who did we raise

[urban latch]

Raid*

[bronze hound]

Lol

[half frigate]

@bronze hound about

[bronze hound]

This

[tawdry flare]

I never see you

[bronze hound]

Literally never happened

[tawdry flare]

@half frigate remember the run eevee told us to stay behind gate

🦊

[half frigate]

well only you stayed there for us to try for the trones

drones

[bronze hound]

But that literally worked

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[bronze hound]

It worked though lmao?

[half frigate]

correct

[quick mantle]

wait wut

[tawdry flare]

After that going out worked even better

[bronze hound]

We didn't go out?

[tawdry flare]

I did go out

[bronze hound]

Wait

[half frigate]

we were going after specific drones

[bronze hound]

We didn't stay together in that hidey hole ya fart

I kept martini in there and y'all did whatever the fuck y'all did

[tawdry flare]

I think we did go on middle

[bronze hound]

I never left the spawn

[tawdry flare]

We f**d Johnson

[bronze hound]

No?

We went for Martinez first lmao?

[tawdry flare]

That how did we Clear?

[half frigate]

we had tried until we got frazzeled then just killed them

[bronze hound]

No we did do it

[tawdry flare]

Remember double boss anger

For the wipe

[bronze hound]

I do because I was IN THE SPAWN

[half frigate]

they should not have double angered

it might have been a glitch

or wrong timing

[tawdry flare]

Yeah idk what someone did to piss them both off at the same time

[bronze hound]

Or someone in the group was running a high end dps build instead of striker

[bronze hound]

If you're too slow they both get angy

[half frigate]

no i was striker

[tawdry flare]

Maybe they were getting divorced and was angry about kid's custody

[half frigate]

lol

[tawdry flare]

Saph switched to striker at last

[half frigate]

hey Eevee did you ever get the correct drones??

[bronze hound]

Wdym

[tawdry flare]

There is only one drone

[bronze hound]

Wdym correct drones

[half frigate]

to open the vault

[bronze hound]

No

We can try that tomorrow if you want?

[tawdry flare]

Ahh I see the order of drones in the 2 part

[half frigate]

thats why she was there

[bronze hound]

Unless y'all wanna get online in like ten and do it in under an hour

[tawdry flare]

I am at work

[half frigate]

im going to bed

[bronze hound]

Thought so

I normally dont get to bed these days until one

[half frigate]

😴

[bronze hound]

1am Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat and 11pm Tue/Thurs

[tawdry flare]

Should go to bed 11:59

[bronze hound]

Shut up

My sleep schedule doesn't listen to you

[tawdry flare]

🤐

[half frigate]

Have a ggoodnight

[bronze hound]

Lol

[tawdry flare]

You too

[bronze hound]

But tomorrow let's try to do it mk?

[forest forum]

Gonna try this one out. Btw i have all six pieces so i test diff stuff out. But this looks like a good one to try. I won't have the clutch so I'll see how it goes.

[tawdry flare]

Drop the chest drop the shocker punch holster

[bronze hound]

Why the skill tier

Also yeah what he said

[tawdry flare]

If you want skill tier use technician

[bronze hound]

Survivalist ain't helping

[tawdry flare]

No point in running around with a 🌈

[bronze hound]

@tawdry flare incursion tomorrow?

Yes or no

[round zinc]

Sir wtf is this

[tawdry flare]

Gib me time in GMT+0 format

[bronze hound]

Average chair moment

[bronze hound]

Uhh brb

[round zinc]

Uhhhh i mean 🪑

Yep

[forest forum]

I was using launcher i do well with that

[bronze hound]

<t:1697756400:R>

[round zinc]

🪑

[bronze hound]

Demolitionist ain't that good either

[bronze hound]

@tawdry flare

<t:1697756400:t>

[tawdry flare]

No

[bronze hound]

:(

[tawdry flare]

Maybe a better time like 5:30Am

[bronze hound]

What about

<t:1697893200:F>

[tawdry flare]

Deal

[bronze hound]

Cool

[forest forum]

Why not

[bronze hound]

Specializations are mostly used for their perks

Demo has no good ones except like the grenade immunity every 60 seconds, but it's every 60 seconds so is useless

[tawdry flare]

Use technician or gunner for solo survivalist in group

[bronze hound]

Since grenades come in packs of 4 or 5

[round zinc]

Not just grenades but any explosion

Still sucks but hey

[bronze hound]

Drones also come in packs of 3

[round zinc]

I thought ur a dev smh

Know your own game

[bronze hound]

I know lol

[tawdry flare]

She is

[bronze hound]

I dead ass did not mean to say "I am"

[forest forum]

Definitely try that thx

[tawdry flare]

Check your account in few minutes to see if you are banned or not

[round zinc]

I am

[bronze hound]

Gunner is most used because of the armour on kill

[round zinc]

Ammo regen too

[bronze hound]

No lol

[tawdry flare]

5% dps buff also

[bronze hound]

Nobody uses gunner for the ammo regen

[round zinc]

@bronze hound you wouldn’t dare

[bronze hound]

?

[bronze hound]

Meep merp :3

[tawdry flare]

5% rate of fire = 5% more dps

[forest forum]

I normally just use my primary weapon i don't really use the signature weapon.

[round zinc]

After a kill

[rich cosmos]

Tbf I don’t use it for that but its definitely a benefit because in my head it means technically infinite ammo

[bronze hound]

Yeah it's not a static 5%

[round zinc]

It is useful

[tawdry flare]

But you have to do the most fundamental thing kill things

[bronze hound]

The thing is for the most part it doesn't come into play

And the only times you run out of ammo it's not saving you lol

[tawdry flare]

It's 10% every minute

[rich cosmos]

Yea not saying it does but its nice to have

[bronze hound]

More of a gimmick imo

I guess it's more relevant with ammo hoarders but eh

[rich cosmos]

Praying we get an exotic that either combos or is like memento but just picking trophies automatically

[bronze hound]

Doctor home

Lmao

[rich cosmos]

Rifle, plus I mean for the damage and regen buffs, I don’t really consider doctor home the same

[forest forum]

I can change the skill to weapon damage for the chest instead changing it out. But why lose the shocker punch?

[rich cosmos]

Doctor home is kinda just… yea

[bronze hound]

Shocker punch sucks /lh

[magic pilot]

If you run this with matador you need ceska knees, if you want ceska bp you keep it how it is

[bronze hound]

You get no increased damage

[rich cosmos]

Shocker punch is a joke of an exotic

[bronze hound]

Not as bad as imperial dynasty

[rich cosmos]

Can we please just get a useful exotic gear piece next season please

[bronze hound]

Hard to do tbh

Hold on give me a minute to make one up on the fly

[rich cosmos]

Make an exotic based around blinder firefly

[forest forum]

Oh okay yeah i didn't realize that. I guess i could go back to providence defense or fenris group AB

For the holster instead the shocker punch

[tawdry flare]

Make an exotic around 5.11 and sleigher

[forest forum]

Will firewall do any good

I can't stand the gunner

[tawdry flare]

If you are playing close range it is the best

[forest forum]

Awesome i love close range. I will run and shoot and run around instead staying in one place.

[tawdry flare]

Tha use an SMG or Scorpio

With negotiators

Cause nego has cc effect

[bronze hound]

Exotic Backpack: Rough n' Tough

Talent: Hardships

Enemies between 10-25m range from user are marked with Roughed Up debuff for 3 seconds. Cooldown: 6s

Talent: Roughed Up

Headshots from Marksman Rifles and Rifles apply blind.
Headshots from ARs and LMGs apply burn.
Headshots from SMGs and Shotguns apply disorient.

[forest forum]

Why SMG tho they're smaller bullets?

[bronze hound]

What do y'all think

@tawdry flare

Oh and @rich cosmos since this was for u

[tawdry flare]

Trauma exotic

[bronze hound]

Trauma but better

[sullen sun]

Strained for all red?

[rich cosmos]

I’ll give you some credit, this sounds like something that would actually happen, but it also sounds insanely weak too so

Imperial dynasty 2.0

[tawdry flare]

Give up amp DMG too

[bronze hound]

Exotic Mask: Lightening Aura

Talent: Flashbang

+200% blind duration
+300% firefly travel speed
+400% firefly lock-on speed

Enemies blinded from Blinder skill take 15% more oncoming damage

Name is a bit WIP

[rich cosmos]

I can’t tell if thats a shit post or not but thats nice

[bronze hound]

Wdym shitpost

I'm making these up on the fly

[rich cosmos]

The 200+ blind sounds cancer tbf

But I’m on board with that

I’ll post my idea once I’m off shift in a moment

[bronze hound]

You wanted something powerful shrug

[forest forum]

I haven't tried the firefly one yet, that sounds pretty neat.

[bronze hound]

Hd on lemme edit it

[inner forge]

It's been a hot second since I played last, is HF with a SMG still the best up close run and gun build or has something new come out to make it not top tier?

[bronze hound]

Exotic Mask: Flashlight

Talent: Flashbang

+4 max firefly targets
+50% blind duration
+300% firefly travel speed
+400% firefly lock-on speed

Blinder skill now has 2m range from target.
Enemies blinded from Blinder skill take 15% more oncoming damage.

[bronze hound]

Debatable, not a very yes/no question

[inner forge]

What other sets should I be looking at for run and gun style play now? Just browsing the list of builds on the Spreadsheet.

[bronze hound]

Striker

[forest forum]

I have found shotguns work great up close but def depends on the enemies in my opinion

[bronze hound]

Shotguns are overpowered as hell with headhunter

[inner forge]

So it's the old Striker vs HF debate? lol

[bronze hound]

Yes

When have you played last

[inner forge]

Well it's nice to see them competing again atleast.... It's been like a year and a half or so.

[forest forum]

What's HF

[bronze hound]

Yeah nothing's really changed since lol

[inner forge]

Hunter's Fury.

[forest forum]

Oh i love hunter fury

Its badass

[bronze hound]

It's okay in some scenarios and fucking awful in others

Then you have HHF which is just brutal as hell

[inner forge]

It's super squishy in some instances is the problem I have with HF. Even with Memento stacks.

[bronze hound]

If you know how to use HHF then there's no argument

Absolutely fucking nukes heroic missions and activities

[bronze hound]

Lol thanks I've seen patterns with how the devs release exotics so am pretty good at replicating it

[forest forum]

I need new HF cuz i did not get crit dam for them i screw up on ones i got, they're okay but just haven't gotten back round to it yet cuz I'm enjoying the ones i posted.

[bronze hound]

HF won't do as much damage as striker

[inner forge]

Okay, in the HF thing on the Spreadsheet, what is that SMG pictured? It looks gorgeous and I don't recognize it.

[tawdry flare]

Must be Oreo

[forest forum]

I don't think ive tried striker but will save them when i see them

[bronze hound]

I'm hitting 25 mil burst dps with striker

[forest forum]

For real

[bronze hound]

Little over

[tawdry flare]

Nice you hitting all headshot?

[bronze hound]

I don't have a skill issue with aim so yes

[forest forum]

Is that what you were showing in pictures

[bronze hound]

Idk what pictures I've shown lol

[tawdry flare]

Don't have either but can't shoot head with things that don't have head

[forest forum]

I'm getting better with aim but not no pro

[bronze hound]

Determined users be like

"there's no head on it"
"THEN FUCKING MAKE ONE"

[tawdry flare]

Determined is meta tbh like any other talent can't compare when it comes to mmr

[bronze hound]

I personally use ranger still lol

[tawdry flare]

You can use nego too

[inner forge]

Oh... That SMG is from a group content. I'm not getting that... Fight looks cool though.

[bronze hound]

OuroBoros is like the best weapon in the game rn

Without competition really lol

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio nemisis regulus

[bronze hound]

Scorpio buff with a FAMAS does less than ouro

[forest forum]

What SMG you like best?

[bronze hound]

Ouro is the best smg there's not even a debate there

[forest forum]

What about handgun?

[bronze hound]

Regulus is best DPS sidearm

[inner forge]

I was just looking at the Ouro SMG, since it's in the HF guide, but I can't get that. I am watching the fight. I've been using the Banshee for years and it's boring now.

[bronze hound]

Other than that it's gonna be a d50 with determined

For dps builds I'd use a kard custom with sledge

[forest forum]

Oh the ouro exotic yeah on tiktok the videos are wild

I usually use tiktok instead Google lol man where you get that at

Is there an exotic banshee or used to be

[bronze hound]

What

[forest forum]

Was just wondering if there ever was one

[bronze hound]

Tik tok is the last place you'd expect good advice

Also wdym exotic banshee

[forest forum]

Advice nah i look at videos

[bronze hound]

Yes....those videos are usually karma farms from people making shit builds for clicks

[forest forum]

Yeah i was just looking at the gun for ouro

[bronze hound]

End chest of incursion has a 10% drop rate and incursion bosses have a 1% drop rate each (incursion exclusive)

[rich cosmos]

Exotic gloves: speed loaders blitz

Talent: Blinding blitz

+30% blind duration
After using a firefly blinder on an enemy, gain +10% rate of fire, and +30% reload speed for 12 seconds
Killing an enemy during the duration of blinding blitz immediately refunds the firefly

Forgot the ping but your here

I could do better but I’m tired rn

[forest forum]

Some1 said something about banshee so i was wondering if there was an exotic but i think its just the CMMG banshee they were talking about.

[bronze hound]

The name needs a bit of work

There's lady death, I guess that's an exotic cmmg?

It's either a cmmg or something else idk

Either way kinda mid

[forest forum]

Oh okay

Is lady death any good

[bronze hound]

^

[forest forum]

So its so so lol

[rich cosmos]

I struggled with it tbh

[bronze hound]

Lol

[rich cosmos]

The name was the hardest part

[tawdry flare]

Only Scorpio

[bronze hound]

Hold on

[forest forum]

What is scorpio good for?

[untold hearth]

Yes

[rich cosmos]

Yes

[bronze hound]

Exotic gloves: Pitchers Glove

Talent: Batter Up

+30% blind duration
+200% Blinder speed

After using Blinder on an enemy, gain +10% rate of fire and +30% reload speed for 12 seconds. Killing a blinded enemy resets Blinder cooldown.

[rich cosmos]

Much nicer

[bronze hound]

Lol

I just added Blinder speed and polished up the wording

• changed the name

[rich cosmos]

I just really want a firefly exotic man

[bronze hound]

Fair enough

I made up an exotic gun that fixed imperial dynasty

Lol

Shocker punch was a wacky exotic since it was the first thing to ever directly synergize guns and skills

[untold hearth]

Cheska knees next gotcha. Dam feels like contractor gloves and foxes prayers got offended 🤣🤣🤣

[rich cosmos]

We need more synergies but like, shocker punch is such a letdown

[bronze hound]

But it brings the idea into play

Meaning they actually have the infrastructure to synergize them

It's a huge step of possibilities

Oh I have a cool idea lemme just drag this into gen chat

[stiff jasper]

Are you sure?

[round zinc]

We need the seeker grenade from cod advanced warfare

[hazy steeple]

Isn't that just the Seeker mine?

[bronze hound]

Lmao

[silver silo]

[round zinc]

Ok but flying is more flashy than rolling

Also seeker incendiary and seeker cluster nade

Hey that sounds like a good idea for a gearset

[tropic topaz]

isn't that the airburst and cluster seeker mines?

[tropic topaz]

technically firefly exists..

[round zinc]

Except fireflies do ass damage