td2-build-advice

[vestal ibex]

1886 works easy up to 4 person heroic but I think a perfect build with expertise on an m1a can work but only in solo heroic and maybe 2 person heroic.

[onyx sage]

should've gone full improv

[wooden finch]

what is that??

why ninjabike??

[magic pilot]

Not my build lol

[patent elm]

Whats the benefit over a d50 though

[calm anvil]

Guys this my build so far, what can I do to make it more efficient as possible?

[fickle light]

after 4 peices, gearsets stop giving you benefits

[slate wedge]

i just made the funniest combination ever

[fickle light]

so drop a strikers for ceska for now

[calm anvil]

Chest Ceska?

[fickle light]

doesnt really matter, ceska chest with obliterate is a popular combo

and some of your attributes arent reds, but you want them to be CHD

[calm anvil]

Okay and how do I get them to red? do I just farm better ones with better attributes?

sorry only picked up the game last week

[fickle light]

your gloves are yellow, they have some skill related attribuute

you want all of your attributes to, ideally, be Critical hit damage or critical hit chance

[slate wedge]

2 piece striker, 3 piece umbra with chest and the ninjabike badpack

weapon is an IWI Negev with Frenzy

it gets to 1615 rpm along with a 45% WD buff

[calm anvil]

Do i just farm them or I can allocate them somewhere?

[fickle light]

You can change them with the Recalibration station, but that requires you to have put the attributes you want into that station previously

[calm anvil]

Okay I have been doing that so i should be able to do that

[fickle light]

and you should probably grab a St Elmo's Engine (exotic AR) or a FAMAS for your weapons

[calm anvil]

Thank you and is it a target loot drop those two?

[fickle light]

yes

[calm anvil]

do they drop in count down?

[fickle light]

yes

[calm anvil]

I have been only running that but for striker pieces so f ar

[fickle light]

St Elmo's is a better general starting point but FAMAS can hit a lot harder, but St Elmo's has shock ammo every once in awhile. Check the spreadsheet, it should have the exact striker build you are trying to make

[calm anvil]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a&noteKey=ed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a%2Fed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&title=Strikers%2B%2528TU19%2529

I'm following this one so far

Just don't understand the whole attributes part of it but you expalined it

[fickle light]

as the guide says, you want to get to 50+ CHC (critical hit chance) and 100+ CHD (critical hit damage)

[calm anvil]

Why does some core attributes at the station state this slot cannot be recalibrated?

[fickle light]

because you recalibrated the other attribute- you get 1 change per item

[calm anvil]

ah okay, but as long as I fill the library I can always assign those attributes right?

[fickle light]

once its in your library you can use it infinitely

but one change per item, even if you go up in the same attribute

this is not talking about Optimizations, which can be done as many times as needed to items, to max out their stacks

[cerulean smelt]

don't think you can max it out and then throw it into your library though?

[hexed steppe]

I was responding to a question about a determined rifle build, and not considering a pistol at all...
D50 could probably also be on the build if chose to do so.

[hexed steppe]

Correct, you cant extract optimized stats 👍

[cerulean smelt]

i forget the whole build idea aside maximizing on headshot damage where possible
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CwTgtADJYIxgzNKympRAXAVi6uiZ51UAmNJDYM4BWWmCYp8za6OZztbMGglgU0oB2XvUETkGELhox5sGiSg5BGQomYA2XJwwkd7BrF1gtNPTCA

still hunting for that perfect white death, i got it with a hunter m44 and i was one shotting warhounds with the build with determined buff

[orchid cloud]

Got a near god roll chameleon

[cerulean smelt]

near god roll exotic component?

[patent elm]

Yea i know i was suggesting that there is no point in going rifle build when the d50 does it better

[cerulean smelt]

at this point it's probably just personal preference in what's used with Determined on it

[hexed steppe]

Best results with white death imho, but yeah it's all preference. if it gets the job done then it fits

[patent elm]

White death is overkill most of the time

D50 is way faster in reload etc than the 1886

[hexed steppe]

No reload with hotshot if you keep connecting 😎

[cerulean smelt]

(^ ^)

[hexed steppe]

Hotshot isnt an option with 1886 or d50 though

[cerulean smelt]

why not?

[hexed steppe]

Mmr set

[cerulean smelt]

wait a sec. did they change Hotshot stats?

[hexed steppe]

I dont think its changed at all

[cerulean smelt]

didn't they use to ahve MMR then Headshot damage?

[hexed steppe]

But determined body chains count as hotshot headshots

Yeah its mmr hsd handling

[cerulean smelt]

looking at the build i linked i see it now just has MMR then weapon handling

[hexed steppe]

3rd piece bonus is hsd

[cerulean smelt]

i'll have to rethink that build now lol

unless my buddy was thinking of maximizing the MMR damage

[hexed steppe]

This is how I been running it. Its modified slightly since I took this shot tho. Elmo secondary and chc mods.
I used to run similar to how you linked with ninja, chainkiller, yellow picaros, 3pchotshot. It was ok especially during reanimated, but its lower damage and sometimes you can lose proc if not picking the right targets.
Ninja keeps your damage low. Like 18-20m on a white death. Mem or vigilance are good tho.
I prefer mem since I use the turret/drone to grind down stuff with helmets and that 30% efficiency goes a long way

[ionic frost]

(Ik this is builds only but DUA doesn’t have legendary only heroic)

[cerulean smelt]

DUA has legendary

[fickle light]

can confirm DUA does have legendary

[cerulean smelt]

thinkt it was one of the first legendaries i managed to Solo very slowly with seeker mines XD

[ionic frost]

Nvm had to change it to story

[fickle light]

yea it was part of the first 3, DUA Roosevelt Island and Capitol

[cerulean smelt]

DUA was easiest to cheese with seeker mines

[delicate laurel]

DUA is the easiest to solo legendary out of the strongholds

[bronze hound]

easiest*

[cyan drift]

explosion memes

as a group build, even with trash rolls, it's kinda ok

knocking things out of cover is really good for the team

[cyan drift]

alright, two things

1. Holy crap it just murdered two rogue agents
2. Why am I not using the Doctor Home 24/7 this thing is kind of ridiculous

[delicate laurel]

What did the rogues ever do to you?

[cyan drift]

They threw a grenade at me from 140 yards away and I felt very insulted

[delicate laurel]

Understandable

Have a nice day

Be the bigger man walk away from them

[cyan drift]

I mean... I did... technically

[vapid raptor]

Anyone know a good skills build? I’m fairly new to the game and I like my tech doing most of the killing.

[vestal ibex]

Check the pinned messages of this tab for a huge list of builds including a bunch of skill ones.

It's in the division 2 spreadsheet. Go to the build tabs.

Turret/drone and the EP fire builds are really good for solo heroic.

[vapid raptor]

🤔🫡

Thank you good sir, what a coincidence, I’m running turret/drone rn. They’re so helpful

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I personally don't like that type of skill build, I prefer mortar seeker as it's more interactive and dependent on you. Also big support skill build guy, healer and cc foam are amazing for all the harder end game content.

[neat iris]

m700..... regular vs tactical vs carbon, pros and cons between the 3?

[neat iris]

ah ok

thought there would be atleast some slight damage diff or something

[vestal ibex]

I mean there is a little bit but for most people base damage is the key to a good head hunters sniper build. You might be doing something different so I figure it's easier to provide numbers and let you decide.

[neat iris]

yeah, just looking for something at long distance for a skill tier based build

well half red, half yellow

[brazen verge]

Hey guys, just wondering about if there is a high end equipment set that offers specifically assault rifle buff with just one piece of equipment? Trying to replace the mask, running heartbreaker and memento

[hexed steppe]

fenris brand is ar damage. but on heartbreaker you actually want ceska since the set is critical hit chance deficient. better chc = better dps

[brazen verge]

I have 39% chc and 89% chd

But I’ll look into that, thank you!!!

[hexed steppe]

yeah ceska will put you to 49chc, and if still working on the watch the chc will get better as well.
60% chc is the hard cap though so be careful about going over if you reconfig anything 👍

[brazen verge]

Aright bet! Thanks boss, kinda new to figuring builds out so I really appreciate the advice!

[fickle light]

TL:DR if you have space on pure weapon damage builds you are almost always better off with CHD or CHC brandset peices, so Grupo Sombra and Ceska

[brazen verge]

Never heard of grupo, I’ll have to look into that one too

[fickle light]

grupo sombra

[heady pier]

Would the Ourboros and OD work together or against in terms of ammo loaded?

[tulip charm]

against

Also oreo's talent is inconsistent

[heady pier]

Only ran 1 round with it so far. Wasn't really paying that close attention but I feel like it was applying the directive special ammo back at the ads

[tulip charm]

imo its more like you kill fast enough with hollow points to more of it back

rather than oreo applying the status effect atleast in my experience

[dreamy valve]

Whats the preferred Ouroboros self inflict build

[woeful swift]

think you might have gotten sol when you used the word "preferred" lol

[astral kraken]

I'd like to experiment with some builds around this backpack. I'm assuming an all red FI build would work well... any others?

[cerulean smelt]

could possibly throw it in a Hunter's Fury build

[untold hearth]

Remind me is Matador good in PVP?

[astral kraken]

it's good for up close 1v1s since you should already be running some blues

[untold hearth]

Haven't gone thru my stuff yet but this is what I was running last time

Ik a fenrir piece is a necessity, I have a few of those but aren't perfect as this gets lol

[cyan drift]

holy crap the doctor home shreds

just killed rogues on a CP in under 25 seconds

and yes I'm using braced fight me

[slate wedge]

contractors/foxes

[slate wedge]

doctor home is way better than people think

[fickle light]

someone missed the 2 (two!) things in that message that cover the other things!
1- "If you have space" meaning gearset & exotic builds with an extra space for a HE peice
2- "Almost always" meaning there are builds that benefit more from other peices

I appreciate the mention but i was simplifying it as much as i could for someone new to the whole buildcrafting thing.

[slate wedge]

yeah sure, was only going to mention them because it is funny

slap contractors or foxes on any dps build and they work 90% of the time

[astral kraken]

whats the playstyle?

[astral kraken]

I only run one account and put everything not in a loadout in the stash. I was shocked to move red contractors and red fox's into the stash yesterday... was like wtf I'm not using them? Apparently not. All DPS builds are either striker or ND 🤷‍♂️

The only contractor/fox I use now are blue cores for PvP loadouts.

[livid horizon]

i keep pretty much all my builds, even older ones

[astral kraken]

I'd straight up pay them 60$ if they gave me more loadouts

[slate wedge]

on something like a striker build with the chest contractors or foxes are BiS

[astral kraken]

I run my striker with chest/backpack/ceska/coyotes

[slate wedge]

same, i just outsource some builds that use pieces obly needed in that particular build to my 2nd character

[slate wedge]

which weapon?

[livid horizon]

technically correct, but there's only 1% in it between those and Grupo/Ceska. I run Ceska for extra crit chance on my ACS

[astral kraken]

Depends. I have 3 striker builds:

• Famas/Scorpio/Coyote/Ceska
• GR9/fast hands Famas 8x/Ceska/Perfect Focus
• Elmo/Rock'n'Roll/Coyote/Ceska

[slate wedge]

yeah i mean 1% is nothing really but technically they are BiS

[slate wedge]

GR9💀

[livid horizon]

until you switch weapons, then you fall behind 🙂

[astral kraken]

Steady Handed 😄

[slate wedge]

you just don't

[livid horizon]

i do

fast stacks

[slate wedge]

no

[astral kraken]

steady handed gr9 i will never ever delete

[slate wedge]

just use oreo

[astral kraken]

so much fun

[livid horizon]

i prefer more stacks than you

[slate wedge]

dare is like the stupudest named weapon in the game, i hate it

[slate wedge]

even for stacking you won't need the chc you only need the stacks

[astral kraken]

i dont see a point in ever running striker w/o backpack/chest. if i cant build full backpack stacks i just use something else

[slate wedge]

i thought it was fast hands

[astral kraken]

no the famas is fast hands

the way i wrote it is weird

only switched to the famas recently tho. was using police m4 for a year and loved it.

then tried famas and never going back. it's ugly af tho 😦

with that stupid mag sticking out

almost as bad as kingbreaker

[slate wedge]

the backpack statistically isn't even that strong compared to something like vigilance

vigilance outclasses backpack if you don't have another talent that gives twd

[astral kraken]

striker is weird

i feel like most content doesnt benefit from it

but it scales with enemy tankiness so... it's fine? everything dies fast so w/e

ND feels way more consistent

[tawdry flare]

Well both striker and nego along hf are the best damage focus sets so you can't go wrong

[livid horizon]

say what now?

[livid horizon]

yes, and with the ACS i get stacks much faster than with oreo on its own

[livid horizon]

Strikers backpack is a huge damage boost and is always mandatory

[livid horizon]

Pretty much all content benefits from Strikers, its just more damage, meaning quicker runs

[delicate laurel]

Handy for speedruns for the leagues as well

[livid horizon]

yep, no chest needed on those though, better off with Obliterate or GC

[delicate laurel]

I always run obliterate

[livid horizon]

strikers chest is kinda overkill and only needed in Countdown, Raid bosses, Incursion

[delicate laurel]

200 stacks is hard to maintain though

[livid horizon]

not in the above game modes

Heroic countdown has the toughest enemies in the entire game so stacks are easy, and boss burns you always have full stacks

[slate wedge]

yeah but you don't need the chc on the acs

[livid horizon]

more damage

[slate wedge]

vigilance gives more without other twd sources

[livid horizon]

just plain wrong

[slate wedge]

how?

[livid horizon]

0.35% AMP damage x 200 vs 25% TWD

[slate wedge]

you have to calculate base damage x 100% amp vs base damage × 65% amp × 25% WD

since you have more multipliers it is more damage by like 4%

but in 95% of situations you wanna be using the backpack

[livid horizon]

i can gaurantee that if I get full stacks with Striker in shooting range, then swap backpack to Vigi the damage at full stacks will be LOWER

65 + 25 is lower than 65+35

[slate wedge]

lets do the math

100×1.65×1.25 = 206.25

100×2 = 200

[tawdry flare]

Why 1.65 should be 1.6

[slate wedge]

i thought striker gave 1.65?

[tawdry flare]

Mhh well I forgot cause I haven't using the bag

But you forget one thing

[slate wedge]

0.65% per stack without the bag

[tawdry flare]

Vigilance is additive with FI

[slate wedge]

@tawdry flare

[slate wedge]

@tawdry flare

[tawdry flare]

It's way too above lol

[tawdry flare]

But have to use a chest talent you can't compare without it

[slate wedge]

which chest talent

[tawdry flare]

We can try obliterate and striker chest both for comparison

[slate wedge]

it loses on both

onky viable with gc

[tawdry flare]

That's the point

Why use vigilance on bag than

[slate wedge]

never said it was better, just wanted to prove nug wrong that vigilance can actually be better than the backpack

[livid horizon]

I'm checking numbers now

[tawdry flare]

Only work with gc as you said but it is like 2.68125 for gc vigilance striker vs 2.6 for bag and gc that is like 3% difference

[slate wedge]

still better

[tawdry flare]

With the current state of vigilance 👀

[slate wedge]

we are only counting pure damage

[tawdry flare]

DMG doesn't mean a thing if it is not practical

[slate wedge]

you will never be able to calculate practicality

[tawdry flare]

Backfire is the 2nd best smg that way

[tawdry flare]

We can experience it though

[slate wedge]

2nd to which one?

[tawdry flare]

Do I even need to say

[slate wedge]

look, i know what you are tryna do and you are right about it but i was just making a point to prove nug wrong

[tawdry flare]

Good luck with Nug/Gun

[slate wedge]

🐒👱🐒

[astral kraken]

wait so who's right 🧌

[livid horizon]

1.2m damage with strikers bag, 980k damage with vigi

[astral kraken]

n/m

[livid horizon]

body crits - same chd

all that was swapped was strikers bag for vigi, and coyotes for strikers mask

[slate wedge]

because you get other multipliers and stuff

[livid horizon]

so the strongest setup is the Strikers bag

[slate wedge]

never said it wasn't

[livid horizon]

jesus

[livid horizon]

you said vigi gives more

[astral kraken]

the backpack statistically isn't even that strong compared to something like vigilance

[tawdry flare]

If you were fighting for the simple maths of one pcs better over other without complete build than Jesus lol IDK what to say

[livid horizon]

...

[slate wedge]

without any other twd and without striker chest

[slate wedge]

it does

[livid horizon]

so lets test without strikers chest then

[tawdry flare]

Use pgc

[livid horizon]

grupo chest with GC

the gift backpack

[tawdry flare]

Nice 👍

[slate wedge]

just do the simple multiplications

1 × 1.65 × 1.25 × 1.3 = 2.68125

1 × 2 × 1.3 = 2.6

[tawdry flare]

You forgot CHC/chd multiplication

On top of this

[livid horizon]

934k damage with the Gift, 950k damage with Strikers bag

[slate wedge]

do a ×2.5 on both calculations and vigilance will still be better

[livid horizon]

so when you take the whole build into consideration, vigi loses in all scenarios unless you're running an off-meta setup

[tawdry flare]

Well that is the wrong part we are going to have differences

[slate wedge]

exactly

[slate wedge]

how so?

[livid horizon]

So basically if you don't know how to build, use vigi

[slate wedge]

right here Nug

[tawdry flare]

Coyote's with the bag

Since chest is gc and bag is vigi vs chest gc and coyote mask

Different crit ratio so can't multiply by 2.5 on both sides

[slate wedge]

as I said i will only take into account the 4 piece striker w/o back, glass cannon and vigilance vs. 4 piece striker w/ back, glass cannon and a piece of the same brand as thr vigi back with the same attributes

[livid horizon]

pointless exercise

[tawdry flare]

That is not a fair comparison

[slate wedge]

not pointless since we had a nice chat

[livid horizon]

waste of time

[slate wedge]

it is, rest of the build can be 100% identical

[slate wedge]

i got enough of it

[tawdry flare]

Well that is the problem I am now nerfing my build just to make vigilance look stronger

[livid horizon]

Troll.mode

[slate wedge]

love ya mate

[hexed steppe]

might as well take into account that vigilance is bugged lately...

[tawdry flare]

function isTrolling(){return True;}

[livid horizon]

Honestly I'm close to just blocking him

[hexed steppe]

no need

[slate wedge]

why block me bro

[slate wedge]

we are only talking numbers

[tawdry flare]

BTW did you completed 4 person CD?

[hexed steppe]

well, those translate into someone taking that information and building with it...

[urban latch]

☝️

[tawdry flare]

You too Raucey lol

[urban latch]

?

[tawdry flare]

He is not talking 6th pcs into the account for comparison

[tawdry flare]

.

[urban latch]

the main advantage of vigilance isn't even being brought up. You guys are assuming max stacks, where vigilance starts out active. Obviously it's downside is it can be deactivated

[tawdry flare]

4s is a lot of downtime tbf

[urban latch]

I'm not saying you should actually use vigilance but what's he's saying isn't wrong either

[tawdry flare]

Only theoretically but practically with the new buff to vigilance I will pass

[slate wedge]

thanks and sorry @tawdry flare @livid horizon i was being annoying but thats what i do

[livid horizon]

we didn't - we were very close and its easily doable, we just had a nasty extraction with hunters spread quite far apart so we just missed out

[tawdry flare]

Need to hazpeo my fi for the run

[livid horizon]

yup

[vestal ibex]

I feel like that's always one of the harder extracts too. Just no good cover.

[cyan drift]

Mid to close range and a considerable amount of clicking

[delicate laurel]

she has a nice build but SHD 59 k

[magic pilot]

Mid build

[cyan drift]

Grenade turret causes bleed so, interesting idea at least

[delicate laurel]

i dont see the lulaby used at all

[magic pilot]

Chest brand is completely worthless

[cyan drift]

That's cause it's bugged and only level q

[magic pilot]

Run PGC

And Wyvern knees

[cyan drift]

Status effects isn't the worst thing they could be using

[delicate laurel]

its not the best ether

[cyan drift]

I think that's a jammer pulse

Jammer + vile works decent if set up correctly

[delicate laurel]

i think thats achiles pulse

[cyan drift]

Wish the icon changed for these but it doesn't

Perpetuation bleed seems like it would last forever

Perpetuation stun would last forever

[hexed steppe]

Also slot in contractors and move grupo to mask slot🤔

Should be using cap as well. It has the dta needed and a ton of skill damage... the bleed is a poor status to invest perp into

Ide personally use force multiplier over strategic alignment to squeeze in as much tsd as I could

[magic pilot]

Exactly

Lot of people talking about mortar builds today

[hexed steppe]

I love mine, but it's been collecting dust lately.

Been getting my top mortar damage out of this build

[dense seal]

What have you stepped into?

[urban latch]

?

[onyx sage]

i did agree with bazookas as well

not that i'd use vig but the math checks out

[dense seal]

There seems to have been some insteresting discussions about Vigi vs Strikers BP.

Looks to have gotten heated.

[hidden stratus]

Riot fowm mod slot - Duration or ensnare health

[dense seal]

Duration

[hidden stratus]

k thanks

oh i have ensnare duration too

just duration or ensnare one

[dense seal]

Health only really determines how fast chungas can actively break free.
At most you can delay them them for another 0.1 second. Not worth it

[hidden stratus]

oh

duration dry it is. thanks

[round zinc]

Someone mentioned that burn knock enemies out of cover

Would that make iron lung not suffer from the lmg syndrome?

[livid horizon]

Sometimes yes, but you'll still get suppression happening.

[onyx sage]

the curse of the 🔰 SUPPRESSED

[bronze hound]

Sometimes yes sometimes no

They can also get back into cover while on fire

We just need a mission with unkillable enemies that can make use of the suppression mechanic

[livid horizon]

My issue was that whole discussion was pointless and a waste of time. You would always run the Strikers bag over vigi on a well made build for 95% of content. There might be really niche cases where you go with vigi, but I'm struggling to think of one.

[onyx sage]

no yeah i absolutely agree with you. it's just that the math does make sense, but it is one instance where calcs don't really match with practicality

[bronze hound]

@half frigate take notes

[livid horizon]

I'm not one to chat math for fun though 😂 ]

[hidden stratus]

I got another nub question

Heartbreaker's default stat is it always armor

[flint wave]

yes

[hidden stratus]

kk thanks

[tawdry flare]

Curse of Sacrum Imperium

[tawdry flare]

Why is saph talking notes

[bronze hound]

runs HE dps

[tawdry flare]

Ahh yeah he need to put on strikers

[bronze hound]

lol

[tawdry flare]

Put ninja bike and 5.11 on any build and it becomes meta

[hexed steppe]

You spelled exotic component wrong

[cyan drift]

I thought sacrum imperium would be useful during wright until I noticed it didn't do anything 🤣

their one time that it might be really good, nopers

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, need a kill to slow them + Wright is pretty much Hazard Protection proof. last night i ran it with people and tried to Riot Foam and watch it either it does nothing or if i hit wright the foam disappears in a second XD

[bright raptor]

speaking of which, does using the Survivalist fire grenade to proc Perfect Sledgehammer reignite Wright?

[cyan drift]

no idea

[woeful swift]

not that i've seen

[livid salmon]

Lol no

He'll just take normal dmg

And the talent will proc

[bronze hound]

I'm curious what they did to their health

Wrights gotta be over 1 bil now

[tawdry flare]

I guess the have a cap for max dmg per shot

[bronze hound]

Not an easy thing to implement

[tawdry flare]

Simple hit > certain amount = max_cap

@half frigate when are you going to make a full red striker build 👀

[bronze hound]

So indirect damage has no cap?

[tawdry flare]

Every form of DMG or they can implement a immune mechanism after certain DMG threshold

[bronze hound]

That's not easy like you think it is

[tawdry flare]

Immunity for few seconds

[tawdry flare]

Ik lol

Like the cap of a billion DMG maybe they can lower it

[cerulean smelt]

i feel trying to implement those could end up with everything having that or open up so many other bugs

[bronze hound]

Definitely

[tawdry flare]

That is going to happen no doubt about it

[bronze hound]

Gray has a damage cap in IH

That sure aged well

[tawdry flare]

They can port it over

[bronze hound]

Didn't stop anyone did it

[cerulean smelt]

if they can find the coding and alter it for incursion bosses and removing whatever mechanics in that code in IH XD

[bronze hound]

Still wouldn't work since it doesn't work on its own

[tawdry flare]

Especially with the mashed potato Code

[bronze hound]

You can't port something not working over to something and expect it to magically work better

[tawdry flare]

You can if the person doing it has skill

[bronze hound]

You can still one shot grey through the one shot protection

[tawdry flare]

Forgot who grey even was 2nd or 3rd boss ?

[bronze hound]

...so it just magically gets better when you copy paste?

[bronze hound]

...first

[tawdry flare]

Depends entirely on the person doing it

[tawdry flare]

Ahh the ravenous cheese one

[bronze hound]

No offense but do you know what copy paste is

Because when I copy a sentence it doesn't turn into a research paper when I paste it

[tawdry flare]

If you copy it in chat gpt it can

[bronze hound]

Not a good one

But what I'm saying is

You can't port over the code without changing it

Otherwise it will still enable one shotting

[tawdry flare]

Well maybe the code went under a revision and got updated

We will find out tomorrow

[bronze hound]

Then they'd mention grey in it

You can't port it over without introducing actual immunity

If you expect to actually prevent one shotting

[tawdry flare]

We will find out tomorrow cause I haven't done it in like 5-6 months

So idk how Grey one shot protection works

[bronze hound]

Basically there's a cap to prevent a one shot directly to the boss

It's literally simple as that

[cerulean smelt]

least you've done it recently. been years since i ran DH or even IH

[tawdry flare]

That is how much

[bronze hound]

Somewhere around 70 mil I think

[tawdry flare]

Got carried lol

[bronze hound]

~2 armour bars

Until he does his first round of bonus armour

[tawdry flare]

Maybe they can tome down value to 7 mil

[bronze hound]

Except that's not how you one shot him

The point is the mechanic to prevent it doesn't work

[cerulean smelt]

i've gotten Eagle bearer, Ravenous and Regulus so i don't see a reason to run them anymore

[tawdry flare]

Same but need a second regulus

[bronze hound]

Not what we're talking about

[tawdry flare]

Sorry Dev

[bronze hound]

But yeah you can't implement a one shot protection like grey has

It'll get circumvented

[cerulean smelt]

we players are creative people and will always find a way it seems

[tawdry flare]

Well unless they found a way to do it

They still get one phased

So I doubt one shotting is going to be a problem

They are easy enough with the right setup

[bronze hound]

Depends how they implement the protection

[tawdry flare]

How about giving them a reviver hive for one shot protection

[bronze hound]

they immediately become both enraged

[tawdry flare]

You discovered that while playing with me

[bronze hound]

I've never experienced the wright wipe

[tawdry flare]

Nice

Play with random to find out

[flint wave]

Any other builds that can play into and use the backbone bag efficiently?

[cerulean smelt]

i'm trying to use it in a collector build but i dont' have chc/chd on it :/

[flint wave]

what would the other gear pieces be

[cerulean smelt]

2pc grupo, 1 china light and fox's prayer

[flint wave]

sounds like a lot of crit loss

[cerulean smelt]

yes, and it's baffling

current stats

sub optimized chc/chd on all pieces

[flint wave]

maybe this is the one case where normal sledgehammer can get some use

just put it on an ar or smg

[cerulean smelt]

to hit 60%?

[flint wave]

Ceska knees is the way to hit 60

but I just like those two weapons better as weapons

[cerulean smelt]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwdgtATGDMbGAGRympe1AuAbLArGAByTLAAs8wEIe0SZCEAnGCAHQFpco4FSzwk5MumAI22DFISYISfnCl4OccS24bMoEgNHjJZNoOkZZI4LCF62xDSZkRsaMeDuaIedatf2ewbJJITFBupiBAA
my current stats for each item

[flint wave]

Gonna use demolistionist?

it has 10% exp damage

[cerulean smelt]

i tried it and not impressed like with firewall grenade. 40% was nice but does jack for damage it seems for some odd reason

[flint wave]

Oh I forgot about cluster

firewall definitely better

[cerulean smelt]

5 grenade explosions?

[flint wave]

better grenade

[cerulean smelt]

i kind of figured that 40% would've made a difference but it was lacking in my experience

[blissful rampart]

it sucks because 40% of nothing is still nothing lol grenades at base damage sucks

[cerulean smelt]

i know, but just want to see if i can make the chest work in something or tried a different approach to a build i saw in youtube

[livid horizon]

I'm trying a grenade spam build too. It's not too good unfortunately.

[cerulean smelt]

nods pretty similar to the streamer build "grenades clears legendary rooms" but no china light

[livid horizon]

lol - they do NOT clear legendary rooms

The damage is ok, but I'd rather have a chest talent than stop what im doing and get a nade out and throw the nade then watch NPCs dodge the nade

plus its only useful in crowded spawns and even then the damage aint great

[cerulean smelt]

i didn't watch the full video but i just skipped to the build and saw and figured i should try it. wasn't impressed so i tried "add china light for another 10%" and still not impressed

[livid horizon]

15% I think, but yea it's not enough

[cerulean smelt]

they also used Iron Lung, something else i'm not impressed with too XD

[livid horizon]

Most I've seen is 10m damage but that's in shooting range

[livid horizon]

Yea same. It's an lmg so...

Not bad for fire Eclipse builds.

[hazy valve]

Status effect increases grenade damage too?

[livid horizon]

No, not that I know of

[cerulean smelt]

think the initial explosion, but the radius would definitely be bigger

[flint wave]

Iron lung for the Stats, not the talent. This is 2023 division 2 gentlemen

Exotic talents are ass

[hazy valve]

Dta increases grenade damage

[vestal ibex]

On armored enemies....

[cerulean smelt]

@livid horizon is all your chc maxed to 6% where possible?

[hazy valve]

Lol

[livid horizon]

Still crap

[flint wave]

lmg syndrome

[livid horizon]

No, I'm missing 1.3% chc

[cerulean smelt]

interesting, i might have to try and farm a newer peice of china light some there place

oh the streamer used Ceska piece in place of china light

[livid horizon]

Im using Oreo so don't need crit chance, but I tried to craft an all red China light and got crit & hsd on first try

But honestly it's not a great build. You're giving up too much to be able to throw grenades that hardly make a difference

[cerulean smelt]

i'm only trying to make it work with backbone now atm

[livid horizon]

Also tried the new Fire Turret gearset... its ... ok

[cerulean smelt]

plus i need to find me a skill haste/skill damage uh name escapes me for that lengmo chest with perfect mad bomber

same, i was thinking old firecrest with the 360 turret bit. IE throw turret out something gets in the 360 range of turret it spews fire but eh constant 360 spinning and turning it on and off isn't something i care for

[vestal ibex]

I've heard people having a little more success with using some talents that reset skill cooldowns on kill vs going all damage so they can get their turret back faster.

[cerulean smelt]

Ceasar's guard is awesome for that XD

[livid horizon]

Good idea, but I don't think I'll try any more with it since the turret is OK... Nothing amazing. It can lock down an area but beyond that it's a poor man's EP

[cerulean smelt]

if you run it with chest yeah and 2 meters

[ionic frost]

Dont worry about the yellow attribute, but I was told that I could kinda use lady death like ouro not exactly but similar, is that true?

[cerulean smelt]

ouro as in fast firing?

[livid horizon]

Yea kinda. Lady death is an smg so there's that.

[ionic frost]

What’s the ouro build, I wanna make it so I can have it maxed out when I get it

[cerulean smelt]

only issue i have with lady death you got to be moving 24/7 to benefit from the running speed boost

[vestal ibex]

Make any red DPS build you like. Slap Ouro on it and BRRRRR

[ionic frost]

Lol

[vestal ibex]

There isn't a build for it, it's just like elmo or famas, just swap around CHC so you aren't over cap.

[livid horizon]

This, but you can swap out the chest for something else like GC or Obliterate, depends what content you're doing

[ionic frost]

Already have it lol

[cerulean smelt]

pretty much the truth, lady death can probably get close to the RPM if you go 4 pc umbra, take cover. leave cover via shield deployment or hitting whatever space or whatever equivalent to that on consoles and fire

think i got Grupo and something else in my build with striker oro build

oh i was way off lol

[vestal ibex]

Clutch... Rip....

[cerulean smelt]

Perf Clutch XD

[onyx sage]

hey man, finding a good vigilance ceska backpack is hard you know, i only played this game for 3 hours

i'm only joking, i know you're going for clutch

[cerulean smelt]

they were referring to my pick and using clutch instead of vigi

[vestal ibex]

I'm a striker backpack man. If I'm using a stack build I'm going for damage when stacked not unstacked.

[livid horizon]

Apparently clutch with oreas fire rate ain't too bad, not tried it myself though

[cerulean smelt]

i'm loving it XD

[slate wedge]

ewwwww

[cerulean smelt]

i need to make me some clutch cookies to feed you ;p

[slate wedge]

i mean clutch is great but striker backpack is better

[heady pier]

Only had a sokolov with protected reload in storage and bonus armor was up all the time because of the RoF. Will have to look at clutch.

[cerulean smelt]

think i tried replacing striker with ND and wasn't impressed :/

[cerulean smelt]

some streamer mentioned Oro and Devil's Due being a great combo so i thought i'd give it a shot with strikers XD

[slate wedge]

i'd try it eith umbra and its chest

or with HF for the 20% AoK

[cerulean smelt]

OHHH! HF/Devil's Due + Oro hmmm

[heady pier]

Matador looks like a nice option on the bp

[flint wave]

this may be a case of ouro being op and therefore any build works

[cerulean smelt]

that the bonus armor with stuff in a certain radius?

[flint wave]

And is good

[flint wave]

That's a bag talent

[cerulean smelt]

#td2-build-advice message
yeah assuming Matador and bp in this is referring to a bag talent

[heady pier]

Was running that with

Bonus was basically always up

[flint wave]

Protected reload + adrenaline rush

Incredible

[heady pier]

😄

[cerulean smelt]

wasn't ad rush nerfed a season or 2 ago?

or was that intimidate?

[thin patrol]

no

[slate wedge]

pasta at 11 pm hits different

[lament lotus]

I'm someone who hasn't touched DZ pvp since pre wony, what kind of builds should I go for if I wanna get back into it?

[forest forum]

I gotta try that

[flint wave]

No you don't

You don't gotta try that

[onyx sage]

it's really not that good

[forest forum]

Why not

[heady pier]

Works for PvE lol

[forest forum]

I'm still gone try it cuz I'd be like that tho

[cerulean smelt]

think the only place to try both in a build solo is Descent if they both exist in it

[forest forum]

I love the clutch but wish it came in the chest

I used that and unbreakable

[cerulean smelt]

imagine when clutch was on gloves (> <)

[forest forum]

They had that?

[lament lotus]

Or where should I go to ask about DZ builds?

[cerulean smelt]

yes

[forest forum]

Oh man i would've loved that

[lament lotus]

Man I remember those days lol

[forest forum]

Wait so these don't stay?

[onyx sage]

nope, gone since wony/gear 2.0

[lament lotus]

Talents were reworked a long time ago and now only drop on bags and chests, he's talking about the old days when specific talents rolled on specific slots and every slot had a talent

[forest forum]

So ones we got now won't either.....😑

[forest forum]

Every slot did? Im go cry now ..

Hate i missed out on that

[flint wave]

makes sense, protected reload and reassigned don't look like real chest talents

[forest forum]

Why they do that tho

[flint wave]

Balance

[forest forum]

Was it too much or som

[flint wave]

it had to be

[forest forum]

Is it in Division 1?

[thin patrol]

berserker + cluch

[lament lotus]

Back then there was like one build worth using, and it involved being a basically 0 armor all the time with high health using a FAMAS

[forest forum]

Back then like beginning of division 2 ?

[lament lotus]

Yep

Year 1

[forest forum]

I was playing fortnite b4 i discovered division

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, i got owned by a player in DZ using ND, Clutch and Zerk

[thin patrol]

Custom p416 g3 the best AR before wony

[onyx sage]

^

[lament lotus]

Yep that's right

I forgot about that

[cerulean smelt]

hope you're meaing custom p416 and g3?

[onyx sage]

it's one name

it's Custom P416 G3

[cerulean smelt]

ah

[forest forum]

I go back and forth between ND and hunters fury set as well providence defense for backpack and chest

[forest forum]

Sometimes do 3 and 3 instead 4 and 3

[cerulean smelt]

ah, i probably gotten a few and only read the custom p416 part XD

[forest forum]

Im jealous

[cerulean smelt]

but can't forget eagle bearer, that was the gun to have back then too

[forest forum]

What it do

[cerulean smelt]

exotic AR
when you kill with a headshot the damage you take while tenacity is active the damage is delayed

Talent: Tenacity
40% - 80% of damage taken is delayed until the buff expires.

All of the total delayed damage is reduced for each enemy killed while the buff is active, up to 100% with 3 kills.

[forest forum]

That sounds lovely fr

[lament lotus]

Don't forget the damage buff pre nerf, what was it like 60% when tenacity is up?

[cerulean smelt]

shrugs i got mine with the current talent as is

unless that 60% was zerk added to it?

[lament lotus]

No it was a long time ago

[hazy valve]

Does anything that buff grenade damage also buff the status effects of it too?

[lament lotus]

It was removed because it made the gun too strong, to the point where there was no point to run any other AR

[cerulean smelt]

not really

[cerulean smelt]

that would make sense why everyone was out to get it when it first released + the zerk/clutch combo with it oof

[lament lotus]

Yea

[forest forum]

Okay what buff mean 🤔

[forest forum]

I would've love that gun

[cerulean smelt]

think they're thinking about how collectors increases grenade damage but they want status effect daamge to be strong too

[forest forum]

Oh oh okay

I forget ppl use that for strong

[tawdry raven]

Was ravenous gonna be an AR cuz build planner says it's a p416 like the eagle bearer

[cerulean smelt]

what do you know, i never noticed that XD

[untold hearth]

Ok ik ik this might be the thing I'm asking again, because I really cleared some space after this picture. However what pieces does anyone recommend I should grind for PVP? At least so I can update this.

Yes I already have a Matador, red core.

[magic pilot]

Fenris gloves

[untold hearth]

Right, now I gotta grind for those since I don't have any gloves lol

[untold hearth]

Wait then that's it?

After that I'm good

[magic pilot]

Yup

[autumn yacht]

shd 300...

you may need to replace picaro for max chc

[rich cosmos]

Hes using groupo and cheska as well he is 356 shd which is enough to have one entire branch section done and have progress on a second one in the upgrade tree

[shy willow]

Is exuro viable? If so, how would I run it?

[woeful swift]

?

[bronze hound]

What

[woeful swift]

exuro?

[bronze hound]

Wait shit nvm

[woeful swift]

what are you on my guy

[bronze hound]

Sorry tired after work

[woeful swift]

lmfao

did you think he said elmo

[bronze hound]

It's more of a gimmick than anything

[bronze hound]

OuroBoros, Elmo ain't even best ar lmao

[woeful swift]

yeah i know, that's why i was surprised

that was just the only thing i figured you could have gotten from exuro lol

[bronze hound]

Ouro, exuro, ex versus o, same update dropped

[woeful swift]

fair enough

[bronze hound]

Haven't eaten in ten hours too give me a break

[shy willow]

Ah I see

[bronze hound]

I've only seen randoms in countdown use it and it doesn't help

[magic pilot]

Finally got good emperorers

[bronze hound]

The second one is ew

[shy willow]

Double armour regen

[bronze hound]

The armour Regen attribute is shit you should know this

[magic pilot]

Max armor regen build for the memes

[bronze hound]

You can look at the attribute and if you think for like two seconds you can see it's shit

[magic pilot]

Nope

[bronze hound]

Wdym nope

[magic pilot]

Wrong opinion

[wise acorn]

hey any builds for oxy and tank? need to make them for IH

[cyan drift]

what's the max armor regen with normal attribute again, 4780?

[bronze hound]

Some shit number idk

[cyan drift]

it's some obscure number

4821 or something

that's a whole 0.28% armor regen (with 1.7m armor)

[bronze hound]

Yeah..

[cyan drift]

it's one of my favorite things to have as some random roll if the rest of the attributes are fine

like if I have weapon handling and armor regen on a yellow piece, I'd rather roll off the handling first

but otherwise, if you can get what you want over it, do

[tawdry flare]

Foxes would be better don't ya think for your gun

[magic pilot]

Idk lol

It's IKia's build

I just made it

[tawdry flare]

Memento would be nice too

It will buff both vs vigilance which will only buff weapon

[magic pilot]

Can't swap bp

It's a gift I worked hard for that

[tawdry flare]

Lol could've used red one cause you are running technician

And Groupon would be yellow core

[bronze hound]

Groupon lmao

[tawdry flare]

Autocorrect FTFU

[dreamy valve]

https://youtu.be/4zEsv3fCqLY?si=AmoEWdl0z2egqJcx

what build is this

[tawdry flare]

Unicorn oxidizer build pinned in spreadsheet

[dreamy valve]

unicorn?

[tawdry flare]

It requires yellow contractors and foxes

[dreamy valve]

oh i have those

[tawdry flare]

Nice get 3pcs empress 1 wyvern and those two mentioned above

[dreamy valve]

ok cool cool

[tawdry flare]

Put on artificer hive

For extra oomph

Talent on chest glass Cannon

Talent on bag combined arms or tech support

Combined arms for above video

[dreamy valve]

yeah ill do combined arms

[hexed steppe]

skip the wyvern tho and add yellow sacrifice for a unicorn trifecta

[hexed steppe]

would a yellow picaros be better than the fenris? 15% red core vs 10%swd.

i also kinda agree with Go, memento would give a pretty good attribute boost with the 30%-60%skill efficiency and 45%-55%* WD when charged (core+long/short buff).

[tawdry flare]

Yeah yellow picaro is better than fenris

Plus you get skill haste

[slate wedge]

you can get 6 yellow, 4 red and 1 blue core on one build

[magic pilot]

I tested grupo vs picaros, grupo wins by less than a %

Think fenris still beats picaros as well

Picaros I have is skill dmg yellow core, don't have chd yellow core

[livid horizon]

sounds like a hybrid?

[livid horizon]

this build should swap a chd roll for a chc roll for better dmg

[flint island]

what is the oxidizer build for turret in 1st part of incursion?any +6 skill build or just use oxidizer with dps build?

[livid horizon]

Oxi has it's own build, has yellow contractors and fox's, yellow PGC i think as well

[flint island]

i see. because i just use oxi skill mainly with my HardWire build. u know for infinite seekers

[livid horizon]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/1c09313f-9578-c07b-520a-a1488f85608b/f4dee0a528ddebf612e6131b0c658690

[flint island]

ahh thanks man. so its just 3 pcs empress. gonna build this later when servers up

[magic pilot]

You don't need oxy for turrets wdym

[livid horizon]

dont need it, but its a tactic

[magic pilot]

Terrible tactic

Just shoot🤪

[flint island]

yes i see people run with this tactic

[magic pilot]

Those are the people that take 40 min to clear

[flint island]

just want to know about it.

[magic pilot]

If I run incursion and someone has oxy build on that's getting changed or they need a new group😇

[flint island]

i dont mind about how long i can clear, i just want to farm Oreo 😀

[magic pilot]

Then you should want to clear as fast as possible no?

[slate wedge]

not really, it works really well in flawless runs for example

[livid horizon]

15 mins

[magic pilot]

I've not seen anyone use oxy for a flawless run

[flint island]

already 17 minutes with clan mates. so i dont mind anymore.

[slate wedge]

you really are one of those people

[magic pilot]

Yes why would you intentionally nerf yourself lmao

[livid horizon]

those two things have nothing in common, and you might not have seen lots of things

[magic pilot]

^

So which is it

[livid horizon]

Oxi isnt a nerf, its just a strat

[magic pilot]

Dps looks to work fine to me

[livid horizon]

sure

[slate wedge]

obviously not on a higher level but it is good for beginners

[livid horizon]

if you're carrying a matchmake group that doesn't know what to do you can oxi the first bit solo

[slate wedge]

it obviously is better and faster but oxy is more chilled

[magic pilot]

Oxy is so much harder to use than just overcharging decoy what

[slate wedge]

not really as you aren't putting yourself in danger as much

[magic pilot]

You are by doing significantly less dmg

[slate wedge]

decoy usually carries but i've seen some bs happen with it

[magic pilot]

Also that I sent was flawless

[slate wedge]

it is only us3d for the first part

[livid horizon]

i feel like im talking to a teenager

[magic pilot]

You can one mag the turrets with striker

[tawdry flare]

Oxi is easier tbh for the 1st part

[slate wedge]

you can also get mortared when climbing up

[magic pilot]

That's what decoy is for

[tawdry flare]

You can one shot them with dch

[magic pilot]

Even better lol

[slate wedge]

because you've never seen a decoy bug out

[slate wedge]

you would have one guy doing the turrets anyways so the dmg pretty much stays the same

[magic pilot]

You are saying oxy is better because of the random shit that happens in this game like oxy also can't bug out

[cerulean smelt]

i have, it turned and one shot me with a regulus O_O

[magic pilot]

What are you talking about lmao, who runs it with 1 person breaking turrets

[slate wedge]

i am saying it is easier to use

obviously dps is faster and better when you have a good healer and a decent group

[magic pilot]

You don't even need a healer for the first part

[cerulean smelt]

video i saw, guy didn't even get close to activate the turrets

[slate wedge]

you don't but it js more comfortable

[magic pilot]

I can't say I agree with oxy being easier to use than striker dps

[slate wedge]

as thr dps will be enough with it anyways

[slate wedge]

you are a good player so you are aware of your surroundings and know what to do in most situations but for a beginner oxi will be easier as he doesn't have to expose himself

[cerulean smelt]

well, they have to expose themselves a bit to shoot oxi accurately

[still mango]

do you have any advice to make best pve build????

[tawdry flare]

Check the pinned spreadsheet in the channel

[still mango]

alr. thanks

[hexed steppe]

Wasnt suggesting replacing grupo. Fenris /picaros It would trade skill damage roll for haste brand bonus.
With almost no red cores it should technically be stronger if you had equivelant secondary crit roll as fenris.

Could also have a secondary yellow ba piece and get a free yellow core so another can roll red
But this is just how I would go about the hybrid style.. idk what crit stats would be but it's just theory crafting...
Mem(1y1r1b), sacrifice(1r), 2 yellow ba(1 being picaro[3y1r]), ceska(1r) , yellow grupo(1y), tech(1y)
Would be I think
6y 4r 1b with mem netting additional skill attributes and wd

[slate wedge]

lets see if i can farm those pieces

[urban latch]

Oxy is far easier, faster, and safer when done right
https://youtu.be/P7clOp7TQE0?si=iaL4-5tqxqz83a5z

[vestal ibex]

Doing OXY is just as quick as most groups and it's better for flawless runs.

[livid horizon]

is the yellow fox's/contractors Oxi build still good for this?

[urban latch]

Yeah

[livid horizon]

I imagine with OC its really easy

[vestal ibex]

Didn't I do this on our runs?

[livid horizon]

yea just didn't see where or how

but its something that i thought might work initially, just someone did it before i even tested

[vestal ibex]

Just an OXY build. There are a bunch of spots you can do it from. I'm in the gazebo on the right as I don't have to worry about mortars and ads have been cleared by then.

[magic pilot]

My plan is to eventually get yellow grupo Knees and swap the ceska for 3rd providence and run coyotes at 50% chc

And yellow core grupo, forgot that

I have all the other pieces already.

[tawdry flare]

Which run

Finally time to put my lvl20 oxi to test raucey once asked me to use it on keener poor keener

Didn't even came to say hello

[vestal ibex]

Dude life is a blur. I at least try to show it to people so they know they have options.

[tawdry flare]

If you did the run in my sleep how am I supposed to know

[sullen sun]

How can I improve this build?

[magic pilot]

Pvp? @sullen sun

Are you maining the shotgun or famas

[sullen sun]

Famas

[magic pilot]

Either one works if you don't wanna use matador

Ignore the lack of mods and famas talent, I was in a hurry lol

[sullen sun]

Thx 🙏

[sullen sun]

Just one tip..black around the eyes 👀

[magic pilot]

Tbh it's a character of my ex girlfriend that she made for me so I put the mask on her so I don't have to look at it🤣

[urban latch]

Time to visit the barber

[round zinc]

i too do love when the barber changes my gender,do a haircut,dye it,also dye my eye and reconstruct my jaw in less than 5 minutes

[onyx sage]

prodigy lore

[blissful rampart]

so "Ex girlfriend Deconstructer" ??

[delicate laurel]

🧐

Whats an ex girlfriend deconstructer?

[livid horizon]

a hit man?

sounds illegal

whatever it is

[blissful rampart]

an exotic component lol

[delicate laurel]

Hmmm ok

[stiff violet]

so i’m trying to make a good sniper build, i’ve got 3 peice hotshot with ninja bike backpack, and gloves w headshot damage w max weapon, and same with knee pads, using mantis and king breaker. hitting about 6mil a headshot right now

[livid horizon]

Ditch ninja, use chainkiller chest, vigi backpack.

[stiff violet]

i’ve got a chain killer but it’s stats are absolutely terrible

[livid horizon]

Doesn't matter, put it on and see your damage.

[astral kraken]

fwiw chainkiller drop rate is consistently REALLY high for me in countdown, esp. if targeting chest

i'm deconstructing them constantly

[magic pilot]

Y'all are so funny🤣

[bronze hound]

?

[livid horizon]

You arent

[magic pilot]

Ik I'm not lol

I don't try to be funny I'm just honest

[bronze hound]

what was supposed to be funny

[magic pilot]

^

[bronze hound]

oh

[long blaze]

So I wanna run st Elmo for a solo survivability type build. Basically grouping it with memento but also putting out decent damage

[bronze hound]

okay

do you need to know what else to run or

[astral kraken]

elmo striker memento ceska and 2-3 blue cores. thats one variation but there are many others.

[long blaze]

So should I go with a striker’s chest? Or ceska chest

[astral kraken]

i like striker chest

[long blaze]

Gotcha

[astral kraken]

i'll run a ceska mask but you can do ceska whatever

try to roll everything chd and use chc mods to fill in chc gap

[long blaze]

Right

[astral kraken]

that way you can reuse the striker pieces for other stuff

[long blaze]

Nice, thanks

[onyx sage]

with striker chest, stacks are hard to maintain unless you stack with acs, which can be uncomfortable sometimes, so most people run ceska chest with obliterate

[long blaze]

Hmm, yeah..

I might just do that

[astral kraken]

my counterpoint to that is you dont need to maintain stacks all the time

the nice thing about striker is it scales with enemy tankiness

so it gives you a high dps ceiling when you need it

if you're going for a blue core striker build and have a high rpm gun it should be fine

[onyx sage]

if you don't want to keep stacks you might as well run another set that does not rely on stacks lol

striker chest does not give you that much value for most content in the game, and i really mean the content where you need it isn't what people who asked these questions would typically run

so yes striker is good, but striker chest is niche and obliterate is usually better

[hexed steppe]

Mantis is good , but determined white death will chain body shots right now as long as you have a Hs kill start the chain.

Definitly want chainkiller .
Vigilance is the standard goto bag, but I've been having great results with memento.
I agree with above, ditch ninja..
This is what I run lately (elmo is my current secondary.
Top end is normally 23-25m, but with event it's closer to 50m

[delicate laurel]

look at that nerd lmao

[hexed steppe]

What I was running earlier with you 🤓

[delicate laurel]

Deck if ya free later wanna help me with DCD league it go faster with you bullying everything

[tropic topaz]

17th proficiency level, wow :(

[delicate laurel]

I think deck has max expertise

[hexed steppe]

Yeah we can 👍

Yeah its maxed. I just dont want to spend 135 exo components to bring something to 24

[delicate laurel]

Too much work ? Or can't be bothered?

[tropic topaz]

i'm envious with my measely 2 expertise ;(

[delicate laurel]

Your get there I'm only 5

[tropic topaz]

that requires me to change gear and i dont want to let go of my umbra initiative :(

[delicate laurel]

Though with all the loot I got from a call for backup run its now 6😎

[delicate laurel]

Just play countdown

[tropic topaz]

what is countdown?

[delicate laurel]

Get a bunch of junk and donate it

[hexed steppe]

I pretty much stop at 20 for most weapons I main. 15 for else , and 11 for gear so I can free up some space so I can get mats while breaking shit down

[delicate laurel]

Countdown is a 8 player mode where you have to do 3 encounters at the PowerPlant and you have a time limit of 15 mins

[hexed steppe]

Countdown, target weapon types. It's the slowest category to level up along with skills

[tropic topaz]

oh.. i doubt i have 7 friends to do that or the skill :(

[delicate laurel]

It has matchmaking

[tropic topaz]

oh

[delicate laurel]

If you can't handle heroic do challenging

[tropic topaz]

my unskilled, poorly equipped ass wil ruin the run for anyone else

[hexed steppe]

Yeah challenging really easy to have a couple carried agents

[delicate laurel]

Heroic you want people who can output massive dps

Cause hunters on heroic are beefy boys

They be eating thier vegetables 🤣

Heroic you gotta pull your own weight

[tropic topaz]

can i share my build with you so you can tell me to throw it out the windowonce i finish downloading the game?

[delicate laurel]

Sure though I'm not as knowledgeable about builds like deck raucey eevee are

[tropic topaz]

deck will 100% tell to throw the build out of the window

[delicate laurel]

Probably

[delicate laurel]

The call for backup I joined had 4 directive heroic open world with pistloreo I slapped on my reg build and bullied everything 🤣

[tropic topaz]

reg build?

[delicate laurel]

Regulus it's a exotic pistol you get from completing a project

[tropic topaz]

damn, 4 directive heroic.. i remember getting my ass kicked on that

[delicate laurel]

It's the best pistol in the game

It's locked behind the iron horse raid though

[tropic topaz]

oh, damn 😔 looks like i wont get it :(

[delicate laurel]

You might

[tropic topaz]

wait till you see my build, then you'll see why i wont

[hexed steppe]

Nice

[hexed steppe]

There is a really good resource pinned to this channel. The spreadsheet has a ton of builds that are proven and effective for pretty much anything 👍

[tropic topaz]

deck, may i count on you to talk trash on my build tho?

[hexed steppe]

Sure

[delicate laurel]

I'm actually curious what build they have now

[tropic topaz]

a bad one

[hexed steppe]

I'm sure you wont be lacking for someone talking smack on it. The cycle around here is break it down and rebuild it right. No punches pulled 🤣

[tropic topaz]

Umbral Initiative mask, vest and gloves
striker kneepads
ninjabyke backpack
some named holster that gives both damage buff and armor (and with ninjabyke, 1 skill tier from set bonus)

[hexed steppe]

So this well be easy. Ninja bike holds you back.
Go for either 4 striker or 4 unbra.
Striker is the stronger of the 2.

[delicate laurel]

Adding onto what deck Saud we may be harsh sometimes but it's cause we want you to have the best build possible

[hexed steppe]

Striker bag, ceska obliterate chest, coyote/grupo mask if have either, rest striker

[tropic topaz]

what's... wrong with ninjabyke? :(

[delicate laurel]

Speaking of which deck I need a build for HH what are the best weapons and gear for a HH build?

[urban latch]

Its benefits don't come close to outweighing what you give up for it.

[hexed steppe]

Normal backpacks are one if the few sources for total weapon damage or total skill damage.
Like in striker case, the striker bag takes the normal .65 per stack to 1.0 per stack.

The total damage types are a separate multiplier and can really drive your numbers really high

[tropic topaz]

so yea that's the entire build

[hexed steppe]

Copy what I posted. The determined preserves the HH stack. Also preserves the hotshot bonus, Very little reloads and a lot of bonus armor that doesnt dissipate.
Memento is personal preference and you would do a bit more damage with vigilance

[tropic topaz]

i dont even have the max buffs 😔

[hexed steppe]

Check that pin I mentioned. You'll see some common themes among the different dps.
You really want to focus 1 gear set.
You could slot in memento into most dps for a bit of hybrid/survivability without losing a ton of damage .

[tropic topaz]

where do i even get memento?

[blissful rampart]

TLDR on Ninja Bag:
--the damage gained from it is much lower then just using a normal backpack talent.
--the support gained from it is also lower then just using a normal backpack talent.
--using Ninja bag means cant use an other exotic which together with your backpack talent is much strong then Ninja bag gives.
--Memento is similar but much stronger then Ninja bag (3 tiers).

[hexed steppe]

Countdown is the everything answer for farming. Target bags. This can be chose in the map

[blissful rampart]

just a normal exotic, so farm target loot.

[delicate laurel]

Memento is used for solo players

It can be used Ina group

[tropic topaz]

any notes on the weapon choice? also trash?

[delicate laurel]

But its more solo oriented

[tropic topaz]

doesnt countdown.. also have rotating targeted loot?

[hexed steppe]

No its selected. It shares the same target as summit and can be picked in map with h I think.

[tropic topaz]

i dont even remember summit having selectable loot :(

damn i have a lot of catching up to do.. and gear upgrades :(

[urban latch]

The dark winter is ok, but looks better on paper than it actually performs mainly due to a low damage per mag. The m60 doesn't look great on paper, and also performs worse than it looks like on paper.

[tropic topaz]

oh, its not even the dark winter, it's a regular ass vector

what should i swap them for then?

[urban latch]

If you want a high end smg try the mpx or the cmmg banshee

Most people normally run ARs, FAMAS, M4, carbine 7, or elmos being the top options there

And if you end up going 4p umbra the classic M1As is really nice on that

[tropic topaz]

oh.. should i also stop using gunner and chasing as much firerate as possible?

[urban latch]

Gunner is solid, your spec is prett much just down to personal preference

[tropic topaz]

also what about the m60 replacement? or are machine guns not worth it?

[urban latch]

I'm really not a fan of the lmg class, it's just really weak overall for several reasons

[tropic topaz]

:(

[urban latch]

The new exotic is alright, but the reload sucks unless your pulling off a reload trick that's a pain in the ass to do consistently

[tropic topaz]

did.. you already get your hands on new exotic? how did you do that so fast

[urban latch]

It just takes season levels to get it, it's not to hard

[tropic topaz]

why do i already feel like i should uninstall with my inability to let go of garbage equipment:(

[urban latch]

It's just a matter of learning what gear is worth keeping, and what's junk thats useless or can be easily replaced

You'll get lots of junk

[tropic topaz]

i thought I'd learn that after 200 hours :(

last question: what of.. 3 default vectors is better? or is vector a shit smg in general and should be dismantled on sight? (like, the .45, the stockless 9mm or the 9mm with a stock? i don't remember the names?

[urban latch]

There's not really a definite answer to that. Basically the smaller the mag size, the higher the DPS it does, but also the worse the mag per clip is which is the biggest downside of vectors

[tropic topaz]

the mag per clip?

[urban latch]

Damage per mag sorry

[tropic topaz]

closer chest??

[urban latch]

Basically you'll be doing very good damage while your doing damage, but reloading so often you'll be caught reloading at bad times quite often

But it's not exactly simple to quantify that

[tropic topaz]

but my firerate :(

oh

damn, my puny brain can't even come up with what backpack to replace the ninjabyke now..

i am a measly umbral initiative (with vest) user :(

armor instead of blue
sorry what

but why would you say "armour (that is blue) instead of blue"

[blissful rampart]

not exactly how it works. Perfect spotter and Obliterate are about the same dps last i checked. because perfect spott is on a bad brand and also takes a mod slot, while Obliterate doesnt have those cons

both are still great talents though.

[tropic topaz]

not like I'll ever get any of the good and/or named armour, knowing my luck..

[blissful rampart]

also Obliterate can combo with firewall shield for even more dps while spotter you are locked to tech spec. (both good specs though, just depends)

[tropic topaz]

is there even a bad spec?

[blissful rampart]

nope all are good just depends

[tropic topaz]

being able to make builds that actually work must make game way more enjoyable...

[blissful rampart]

TLDR: make your build 1st, then look at the specs after to decided the best fit for that build

to start check out the build guides on the pinned spreadsheet, lots of great ones there.

[tropic topaz]

if only i wasn't way too stubborn..

[cerulean smelt]

you could be like the few idiots that comes here asking for "i dont like cover or skills, what kind of builds can you give me?"

[hazy steeple]

They're not idiots, just confused about how div2 works.

[livid horizon]

Hunters fury 👍

[magic pilot]

Perfect spotter only worth in pve if you can red core it

Change my mind

[tropic topaz]

i am just an idiot who hugs cover every 20 seconds:(

[cerulean smelt]

can add Sacrifice chest piece and really crap your pants taking cover every 20 seconds XD

well, maybe less?

[tropic topaz]

but that would require taking off umbral initiative :(

maybe i should just move to striker and ars instead of umbral and smgs😔

[cerulean smelt]

if you got ninjabike backpack can mix the 2 XD

[blissful rampart]

XD

[cerulean smelt]

3 umbra, 2 striker and you'll be visiting the ammo box every encounter XD

[tropic topaz]

i mean..

i just can not let go of pizzicato holster

[cerulean smelt]

even funnier if you get a vector like you're wearing but with measured XD

[livid horizon]

Strikers plus Oreo 😜

[tropic topaz]

oreo??

[cerulean smelt]

new exotic SMG from Incursion

[cerulean smelt]

i do love that combo 🤤

[tropic topaz]

oh, the content I'll never experience:(

[cerulean smelt]

why?

[tropic topaz]

because builds trash, i won't get any cool named gear knowing my luck..

[cerulean smelt]

get 2 strikers, replace umbra with a differnt piece and you could run it

[tropic topaz]

so umbra is just bad?:(

[cerulean smelt]

i went in with my second account with nothing but 4 pc strikers, grupo and ceska because i didn't have the chc/chd and used a mk16 ar and still managed to do things

well, umbra in incursion would be gimped hardcore considering taking cover is fairly difficult in some situations

[tropic topaz]

can't i just throw out deployable cove-- oh right it's not a thing in td2, i keep forgetting

[cerulean smelt]

hell, i'd love to see how a run would be if 3 DPS = 4 pc umbra and Oreo and 1 healer just for the laughs

[tropic topaz]

3 dps = 4 pc umbra and oreo?

[cerulean smelt]

yeah, incurion only lets you run it with 4 people and the current formula for success is 3 dps and 1 healer

most prefer the 3 striker route it seems as it's consistent

[tropic topaz]

is anything other than striker even worth using?:(

[cerulean smelt]

sure is

i just got done playing a ninjabike, 1 hotshot gearset, 1 aces and eight gearset, 1 airialdi, 1 hadsburg and 1 chainkiller build with a hunting m44 with determined

[urban latch]

You can definitely get through it with other setups, my first clear my whole group were using high end builds. That said, strikers has the highest single target damage, and that's ultimately what you need for the incursion. Strikers downside is building stacks, but the long fights mean you can fully use strikers to it's maximum effectiveness.

[blissful rampart]

yup lots of options besides just strikers.

[cerulean smelt]

strikers = noob friendly dps under 1k watch level really

[urban latch]

Yeah, the other major advantage of strikers is it's literally the easiest DPS build to put together

[cerulean smelt]

used to run with a greek guy where we both wear sacrifice, gift, 1 other peice of providence, 1 grupo sumbra, fox's prayer and fenris wielding mk 16 ar with strained. made the game stupid easy for the most part XD

[tropic topaz]

if you don't mind me asking, what is sacrifice

[cerulean smelt]

Providence Named Chest piece which gives you Perfect Glass Cannon

you do 30% more damage from all sources of damage but you take 60% more damage which would equal npc coughs or farts in your general direction and you'd go down

[tropic topaz]

aren't you supposed to go down in 1 cough in your direction anyway?

[urban latch]

Don't get hit

[cerulean smelt]

wearing that build i feel i became a bit more aware of things then if i went without it

[tropic topaz]

i kinda miss d3f4nce set..

[cerulean smelt]

don't we all

i keep saying i'd love to see Alphabridge in Div 2 🤤

like the current favorite AR is St Elmo's exotic, if we could wield that as a main weapon with a garbage AR with Thunderstrike would make things magical

[tropic topaz]

is.. chameleon a good ar?

[hexed steppe]

Its ok