td2-build-advice

[livid horizon]

did an incursion with two others who had oreo's, all burning down the Love Birds, it sounded like an apache helicopter minigun

[flint wave]

No one's gonna want their favorite op weapon to be nerfed either way, atleast in the first place

[blissful rampart]

TBH you can lower Oreo RPM down to normal vector stats AND it would still way stronger just because of its bigger mag size

[tawdry flare]

Just make it 1269 RPM

[blissful rampart]

still not enough

[livid horizon]

lol

[stiff orbit]

i don’t believe so

it’s high rpm is the biggest factor to it’s dmg imo.

[blissful rampart]

Like normal Vectors are very strong on paper BUT their mag size holds them back (struggle to 1 mag) BUT remove the struggle to 1 mag (ie Oreo mag size) and thats no longer an issue.

[tawdry flare]

How about 1369 with rof mag attachment?

[vestal ibex]

A-10 warthog

[stiff orbit]

you think a 40 round mag would be enough?

[blissful rampart]

normal vector is 1200 rpm so 1369 still very strong lol

[livid horizon]

this is correct, the oreo has insanely high RPM which gives it such great burst damage, and the fast reload gives it insane sustain

[tawdry flare]

Yeah but the talent is shit

[flint wave]

Ouro has a talent?

[woeful swift]

seen those things dogfight before. it doesn't sound at all like you'd expect

[tawdry flare]

Vector with flatline will come close

[flint wave]

[stiff orbit]

buff the talent and nerf the reload speed

[blissful rampart]

maybe BUT issue IMHO is its strong base stats with ass talent. ALL exos IMHO should be strong becasue they have a strong talent, not because they have strong base stats

[vestal ibex]

I want it, preferably sooner so it upsets less people. I mostly want it for the health of the game.

[blissful rampart]

talent doesnt matter when base stats are so strong.

[tawdry flare]

True

[livid horizon]

my biggest issue is that in about 3 weeks everyone and their dog will run it

[tawdry flare]

Free rn?

[stiff orbit]

i believe it was either you or someone else who said exotics should be %60 gun %40 talent and oreo is 90/10

[blissful rampart]

not me

[livid horizon]

yea fuck it

[flint wave]

Nah azurman is the guy who humbly said all exotics should be like regulus

[stiff orbit]

then someone else

[tawdry flare]

No

[blissful rampart]

IMHO all exotics (armor too) should be normal base stats and its strength 100% in its talent that should a good talent as well.

[flint wave]

Chameleon would just be a vector in the ar class

[vestal ibex]

I hate that 90% of exotics are just components. Give us interesting things to build.

[tawdry flare]

IDC about talent just make exotics equally strong to have a lot of option to choose frim

[stiff orbit]

? not my point. Just referring to someone else who said it in gen chat not too long ago

but i still somewhat agree

[blissful rampart]

TLDR: IMHO change all exotics (weapons and armor) to normal base stats but buff all exotic talents to the overall strength of how strong Regulus is on live and now you have tons of better and good build making available!

I do agree like “Raid” Exos should be stronger BUT there just isn’t enough of them to make that a good option atm.

keep the limit of 1 exo weapon and 1 exo gear of course.

[flint wave]

nah we should be able to create real "all red" builds

[livid horizon]

would have been cool if expertise let you upgrade the three stats for exotics, so if I wanted 20% DttooC or 20% rpm I could make it happen and build around it

[hazy valve]

Buff eb when lol

[tawdry flare]

Buff imperial Dynasty and sacrum when

[livid horizon]

backfire

[tulip charm]

mericless/ruthless

[magic pilot]

The amount of messages and people following me I get in the White House with oreo and wright mask on is crazy

Me and a clan member were in game chat talking about the mask when we queued into countdown and some guy heard us talking about the incursion and started asking to run with us

[tulip charm]

It do be like that when items tied to endgame content comes out

[flint wave]

And when the endgame content contains one of the most op weapons in the game

[vestal ibex]

I'm thinking of doing a group of three and use pub matchmaking to get the 4th and carry them. Would be fun.

[woeful swift]

i'd be down to help if you have a free spot

[vestal ibex]

Weekend soon

[hazy valve]

Lol

[magic pilot]

https://youtu.be/n878zGUyrks

This is the build

[gentle lichen]

You wouldn't mind helping a poor fella out with flawless. Eh?

[magic pilot]

That would be my third one

[gentle lichen]

Yeah i saw your 2 flawless with a pretty damn good time too

[vestal ibex]

My brain should go less blue then I remember ouro.

[slate wedge]

need to try that too lmao

[slate wedge]

lose one blue

[flint wave]

nah

tier 6 shield ftw

[blissful rampart]

using Oreo + firewall shield, the red cores dont matter in that case lol still have bonkers dps

[bronze hound]

Can't we just say OB

[blissful rampart]

nah oreo ftw!!

[bronze hound]

Lol

[woeful swift]

oreo

indeed

[urban latch]

I like Oreo lol

[bronze hound]

I'm gonna keep saying OB

[woeful swift]

i think i can officially be done farming shotguns

that's on acs-12 btw

[flint wave]

Then you are not done farming shotguns

[woeful swift]

isn't that the best shotgun

[flint wave]

no

best stack builder tho

[woeful swift]

what is the best then

[flint wave]

Scorpio

[woeful swift]

?

again, i am done farming shotguns

lol

[flint wave]

are you sure

what about a In sync mop for skill builds and a pummel m870 for hh

[urban latch]

Only other shotgun you might want is a m870 with pummel

[woeful swift]

i will let a good lefty come to me on its own

maybe down the line, skill builds don't seem particularly interesting to me. if i end up deciding otherwise i'll go for something else

but between those two i should pretty much just be set

[gentle lichen]

I like the ksg with pummel just for NY runs

[woeful swift]

only thing i'm particularly interested in farming in countdown anymore is better heartbreaker gear for if i ever get tired of striker again

[flint wave]

use negotiators

[woeful swift]

is that for aoe?

[flint wave]

kind of? It's like HE dps build except it can damage multiple targets

[woeful swift]

what's he?

[flint wave]

high end

[tawdry flare]

Tbf mop with mortar build and eclipse builds works nicely you get free armour jus by holding it

[magic pilot]

Ikr

[magic pilot]

That was my thought process lol

[thin patrol]

Boomstick

[magic pilot]

Boomstick only decent in pvp

[magic pilot]

Max intimidate carried

With m870 you would have one shot him

[thin patrol]

I got tired of the m870 after 2.5 years

[merry stone]

is strikers the max damage build for ouro?

[urban latch]

Once its built up and on single targets, yeah

Other main two builds its great with is hunters fury and nego, but it basically works on any DPS build

[woeful swift]

does heartbreaker gear always come with blue cores or am i just insanely unlucky

[urban latch]

yes

[vestal ibex]

Yeah you can try to get crit chance on all of them and roll red cores and optimize the rest or start with all blue and swap for reds as you get it put together.

[woeful swift]

that's basically what i'm doing

trying to get crit chance to reroll for red cores

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, it's just all that bonus armor when you open with ACS and get your stacks up can be used to be super aggressive and when the memento stacks start coming having a little bit of blue cores is nice especially for solo/backup calls if you don't wanna fight with going down.

[woeful swift]

i'm using it with coyote's still

[vestal ibex]

Ah, yeah I did ceska/memento. They're all good builds Brent.

[woeful swift]

yeah my build was 4p with coyote's and fox's

[raven island]

Hey! is the new tip of the spear rework any good or meme?

[vestal ibex]

Big nerf. Still useable imo tho but am a hots guy anyway.

[raven island]

i was hoping it would enable some crossbow build or something fun but i guess not then

[vestal ibex]

I mean crossbow isn't that great by any means. I don't think that could ever become a main damage source just a support.

[merry stone]

its worse sig weapon in my opinion, minigun and sniper are the best

[bronze hound]

crossbow is the most useful by far though

only because it pierces armour

[merry stone]

where does lefty drop from??

[bronze hound]

targeted loot

[merry stone]

no other way??

[bronze hound]

wdym no other way

lmao

what were you thinking

[merry stone]

blueprint 😫

[bronze hound]

i dont think theres a blueprint for it no

if there was it would be exclusively fron descent

why do you even need a blueprint for it

you reroll the attribute to dttooc and talent is static lol?

[merry stone]

😖 😭 guess its countdown time 😋

[vestal ibex]

Countdown shotguns

[green pumice]

Done, now all i need is lefty (done around 10 countdowns not a single lefty dropped xdxd)

[merry stone]

get rngd kiddo

[green pumice]

😭

[merry stone]

[flint wave]

don't worry when you farm for something else you will get lefty or stage left every other cd hunter drop

[flint field]

Any builds for new SMG? I’ve got the basic Strikers build right now.

[green pumice]

this new smg feels like cheating lol

[flint wave]

Because it is

[blissful rampart]

New SMG Oreo is super broken op right now, that it fits into all builds pretty much lol

[flint field]

Everyone said the same thing about Elmo’s. Every season the weapons are OP but the SMG only excels with its high RPM. HazPro builds counter the talent easily.

[flint wave]

Elmos is only slightly better then its competition at most

[blissful rampart]

everyone did NOT say the same thing about Elmos. Elmos is a strong weapon and among the top ARs BUT doesnt beat famas.

[flint wave]

I think it beats famas alot of the time but yeah

[blissful rampart]

Famas with no talent is only 1% behind elmo dps.

[flint field]

Everyone complained about the shock ammo in DZ, Famas with strained is best DPS in game.

[blissful rampart]

PVP is a different game, im talking about pve above fyi

[rich cosmos]

Elmos is very good but not best in slot

[blissful rampart]

on flip side, Oreo is very strong and is in fact best in slot and hell even with 5 blue cores, it beats a strained full red famas 🤣

[flint wave]

with its optimal range, reload and handling and super user friendliness I think it is most of time

oreo is a diff beast

[rich cosmos]

Once I get the smg I have 100% completed the incursion but like, we all know the smg is getting nerfed

No way it isn’t

[flint wave]

They would never nerf it that much even if it deserves it

[vestal ibex]

New oreo now with 50% more stuffing.

[flint wave]

devs are like that

[flint field]

I doubt it gets nerfed

[rich cosmos]

If it doesn’t get nerfed its fine by me I’ll probably only use it for more incursion runs

[vestal ibex]

That's a bold move. Aren't they going to have to pretty much rebalance new content so it's not trival?

[blissful rampart]

they would nerf it that much, just see intimidate, or strikers pre nerf or HB pre nerf (all 3 were nerfed heavily BUT strikers and HB still strong still)

[flint field]

I don’t know these are the Division Devs we are talking about lol

[blissful rampart]

Strikers and HB stacks used to be exponential and were changed to additive. a very heavy nerf BUT turns out both are still strong lol

[vestal ibex]

Strikers is so op I didn't use it unless lego or raid and now for the incursion. Strikers on a good setup is just so cheese for anything else.

[flint wave]

the heck do u use then

[flint field]

Yeah any time DPS is required you’ll find me there with my Strikers. And now Oros on my hip lol

Oreos and milk?

[vestal ibex]

For all the rest of the game, mostly reg HH HF, that'll be open world, missions, backups, 1-4 man doesn't matter.

That's or I'll just goop or heal cause lazy.

[rich cosmos]

My build isn’t even fully optimized but with buffs from teammates I can easily hit millions

It do be wild

Strikers really is THE build

[flint wave]

Until you play negotiators

[vestal ibex]

Eh nego vs strikers is more of a skill thing and spread sheets don't tell the entire story. Strikers you shoot and kill thing move on to next, nego requires more skill and downtime that usually isn't factored in on the spread sheets. Oh you marked three people? Time to aim at them mark them and move to the other? Oh can't see a guy cause they are in cover so you tried to get a crit mark then moved on. Other marks doing nothing while you try to get more marks? This is wildly different per person too. One person might be amazing at it while others not so good.

It's just like the reg HH builds, aren't worth crap if you can't hit a headshot.

[rich cosmos]

Tldr, strikers: kill thing fast, negotiators: kill multiple things

[flint wave]

negotiator feels more rewarding

[vestal ibex]

Yeah just like hitting 12 shots in a row on regulus but it requires skills.

[rich cosmos]

Strikers is more generally applicable

[flint wave]

lol 12 head shots in a row vs shooting enemies twice to get a mark

[flint field]

It’s all about the level 30 gear when you start WONY, that s**t slaps harder then strikers and nego combined

[flint wave]

making a red build in wony goes hard

[vestal ibex]

regulus memento HH for wony yo.

[vestal ibex]

Hey man hard things are rewarding for me. I don't find nego rewarding unless it's IH one shot.

[onyx sage]

using the most glassy and risky strats in solo leg runs feels rewarding to me

[thin oracle]

So is the Ninjabike the best gear exotic? And what are some good gear sets to use with stringer hive, drone, and artillery turret?

[flint wave]

no

where did u get that idea from

[thin oracle]

YouTube lol

[flint wave]

ofc

here's an artillery turret build. The grupos and pgc are annoying to get tho(skill dmg first, then haste)

[flint field]

NinjaBike is the single greatest exotic to ever land in the Division

[flint wave]

Go for 3 pc express if you don't feel like going for unicorns

[merry stone]

it has other things over famas though, like cc, more rounds and better handling. but its no where near op as ouro, that thing melts countdown lol

[flint field]

It’s so good everything else seems pale in comparison

[onyx sage]

it's a newbie trap, it's never best in slot on any build, but does enable some fun builds. again, those builds are not the most effective in any specific area

[flint field]

It’s a unicorn

[flint wave]

🦄 .

[thin oracle]

Gotcha I’m just returning so everything seems different I just got that and the scopion shot gun

[flint field]

You know how long I’ve farmed for a sacrifice like that

[flint wave]

no

I bought my skill dmg sac from the vendor lol

[thin oracle]

Lol

[woeful swift]

i was critting for 2mil against johnson last night at shd level 98 :^)

[thin oracle]

I’m a skill build person and healer so I’ve been farming countdown but it so many changes I been searching YouTube to do my homework lol

[woeful swift]

using oreo

[magic pilot]

Over charge scanner pulse and striker oreo I was hitting over 2m with no other buffs

[vestal ibex]

Yeah in one pub game I was hitting 2.2 mil crits on Martinez head.

[magic pilot]

Oh yea lol I was talking about body shots

[fleet fulcrum]

im a returning player. what builds are good now?

[magic pilot]

Checked the pinned spreadsheet @fleet fulcrum

[fleet fulcrum]

i did. i was wayyyyy confused how to navigate.

[bright raptor]

Hub -> Weapon Damage-> pick one

Umbra and Heartbreaker are the most forgiving options that are relatively easy to set up for farming the rest

[fleet fulcrum]

sweet thanks

[astral kraken]

ND is more generally applicable b/c there's no stack building involved

For me it made standard red dps obsolete

[rich cosmos]

Bosses and rock and roll

[astral kraken]

ND can deal with bosses just fine too, cept it's slower

But bosses ≠ generally applicable

I can't think of a boss outside of raids/incursion that give problems

Still love striker. It's my go-to for countdown b/c maintaining stacks is so easy with ACS. Just saying ND is way more of a general purpose set for all the game's content

[hexed steppe]

ND is very good. Striker is top single target damage, no doubt... but there is very few times in general play where you are fighting 1 on 1. Generally you will have many enemies to deal with and ND takes care of that easily and also highest overall damage when you factor in the transfer...

[blissful rampart]

ND is still fine for bosses too, better with a vigilance backpack but of course strikers is king for single target

[hexed steppe]

the transfer mechanic is really interesting as well. like ooc or dta damage on a primary will apply to a secondary target even if the secondary doesn't meet the conditions for those damage types. also marking and destroying immune things with transfer

[blissful rampart]

Yup and also DTA is bugged with marks and double dips too!

[hazy valve]

Ur a king

[atomic turtle]

Anyone know what I could maybe do to squeeze a bit more out of this build?

The ACS-12 is whatever I only use it to get stacks and toss the occassional grenade for sledgehammer.

I can crit with the MPX for around 1.1-1.4M at full stacks.

[hexed steppe]

i would just double check if you are over chc cap. just gotta temporarily remove a chc piece and see if it drops below 60% , really easy to overcap and not realize . if you are over you can swap more to chd

[atomic turtle]

Trust me, that's the first thing I checked.

[hexed steppe]

nice 👍

[atomic turtle]

Two of the striker pieces have CHD instead of CHC.

Lefty and Mozambique are sitting at 44% CHC.

MPX is my damage source.

Using Demo for the added DTOC and Laser Pointer which has 7% CHC.

[hexed steppe]

you can use the firewall shield for extra amp since probably playing cqb with the smg

[atomic turtle]

Fair. I'll try that.

[hexed steppe]

is the dttooc buff from demo just for the team? cant remember off the top of my head

[atomic turtle]

Oh shit, no, you're right it is. damn.

What a shame. Ok firewall it is.

Well it helped out anyway when I ran the Incursion. But now I'm just grinding whatever solo.

Might as well make the switch.

[tawdry raven]

u have too much chc looking at ur chd attachments on the mpx

[hexed steppe]

looks good tho. as long as youre able to maintain stacks with chest youre gold

[atomic turtle]

Only one CHC attachment.

It's hitting exactly 60% now.

Two striker pieces have CHD not CHC.

[tawdry raven]

exactly u can get more chd from ur gear if u use chc attachments

cuz u got way more chc from attachments than chd

[atomic turtle]

Oh? Let me try recaling then.

Oof. I'm 58% CHC so I need at least one striker piece with CHC.

That or switch back to demo for the laser.

[tawdry raven]

u dont need 60 on the dot especially with coyotes

[atomic turtle]

Yeah but a lot of my engangements are going to be close range so that CHC buff will barely apply.

[tawdry raven]

youd think but u can get into engagements that proc the mid range buff

[magic pilot]

Run firewall shield

[atomic turtle]

I am.

Just switched over to it.

[magic pilot]

You should be at 58/178 I believe

[fickle light]

i run pretty much the same thing but a ceska minor piece and St Elmo's

[woeful swift]

you can drop a little lower chc because you have coyote's, you're kinda wasting some of the chc from coyote's if you're at the mid range

[magic pilot]

He's playing smg he should he close range

[atomic turtle]

The damage bonus per enemy is for striker or reflector shield?

[magic pilot]

Striker shield

[woeful swift]

i suppose

[atomic turtle]

Perfect. I have a godrolled mod.

[tawdry raven]

i use smg a lot and u find urself in both ranges frequently 54ish is perfect crit chance area to not lose out from both buffs

[woeful swift]

yeah, i still think full cap chc isn't the move

if he wants to get a little more out of the build

[magic pilot]

Then you don't play optimally for smg🤷🏽‍♂️

[blissful rampart]

Just fyi, ACS easily out dps smgs in CQB, so when close use that to dps instead of mpx (doesn't out dps Oreo though lol)

[atomic turtle]

A shame firewall doesn't have a status grenade for Lefty.

[blissful rampart]

Also has fast reload speed on ACS too so no big point really to weapon swap instead of reloading it IMHO.

[atomic turtle]

I just like SMGs.

No real rhyme or reason for it, lol.

[blissful rampart]

Fair, was just replying to the "anything I can to do to squeeze out more dps"

[atomic turtle]

Also love the ultraviolence skin for it.

Well let me clarify. More DPS for the MPX.

[blissful rampart]

Keke lol

[tawdry raven]

i like the busy day skin for the mpx personally

[blissful rampart]

Then what has been said above ^

[atomic turtle]

Well then, what would be a good replacement for my Lefty? Better an ACS-12 with a talent I can at least use. Even if not the main damage dealer.

[onyx sage]

excludes self yes

[tawdry raven]

optimist or strained

[blissful rampart]

If not using ACS for dps I think lefty is perfect since also allows that great talent

[atomic turtle]

Yeah, but I'm running firewall, Azur.

No grenade to proc talent.

[magic pilot]

Firewall is fine for lefty?

[onyx sage]

use concussion

[magic pilot]

It's one of the best grenades because of the range

[atomic turtle]

Firewall grenade procs Lefty? Doesn't it need to apply a SE?

[onyx sage]

no lol

[blissful rampart]

For mpx? Strained out dps optimist (even out dps optimist on vector too), unless running 4+ non reds

[atomic turtle]

Oh, Guess I'm dumb.

[onyx sage]

it just needs to do damage

[magic pilot]

Fast hands all day

[blissful rampart]

Ah fast hands also great for full red builds too

[magic pilot]

It's just feels so nice if you can't one mag or are getting pressured

[atomic turtle]

I just need something other than my HF build for once.

Love that build to death, but even I need some variety every once in a while.

[onyx sage]

HF is a close range build, so you might enjoy others that extend to longer ranges

[atomic turtle]

Thought I'd finally put my big boy pants on and try out a shield build for once with strikers.

I have a sniper build but rarely use it these days.

[tawdry raven]

Acs

[blissful rampart]

Hmmm that I don't remember, both are probably close anyway

[atomic turtle]

Are you sure it's not 58/168?

I don't think I can't get more without sacrificing CHC.

[magic pilot]

Mine is 53/178

Just checked

I also play in a group so I'll probably have mid coyotes buff sctive

[tawdry raven]

.

[bronze hound]

Shit take tbh

[urban latch]

How is "playing at short range with smgs is optimal" a shit take...

[flint wave]

oreo user spotted

[tawdry flare]

All hail the Broken Oreo

[tawdry flare]

I guess raucey broke the highest reaction record

[glossy scarab]

whats a high reaction

[flint wave]

nah

It's tied

[tawdry flare]

There

[glossy scarab]

sweeeet

[merry stone]

health dam vs dam out of cover which is better for shotties??

[woeful swift]

dttoc

[brisk bronze]

What backpack should I use with striker coyote build?

[woeful swift]

striker backpack and ceska chestpiece afaik

at least i always use the striker backpack when i'm on striker

question is really whether i use the chestpiece too or not

[brisk bronze]

idk I'm just trying to get the build right because people keep yelling at me in incursion for not using striker chest

[woeful swift]

it's good against the bosses

in turrets and tanker it's not amazing because it's hard to keep it stacked really high

i use the ceska chest in the first two encounters and then switch to striker chest and fox's prayer kneepads for the bosses

[brisk bronze]

Been using an oxi build for the start bit seems pretty good, just need to improve my boss dps now

Oh fox prayer ok

[woeful swift]

me n aspect haven't had a ton of success with oxidizer, but i hear it's good when you get it to work

but yeah, the extra dttoc from fox's is helpful

[brisk bronze]

You can angle it right to hit each turret from the gazebo in front of them, protected from mortars

[fickle light]

i already have to quickswap my skills i dont have time to change chests lol

[woeful swift]

just use loadouts 4head

i have a striker chest loadout and a striker no chest loadout

[fickle light]

i've found its faster to just EMP the turret and kill it lol

[woeful swift]

last thing i need is a striker no striking loadout

[fickle light]

i'm maxed on loadouts :(

[woeful swift]

delete one

[fickle light]

no

[woeful swift]

Suboptimal™️

[brisk bronze]

idk why people are so nuts about dps in the incursion btw the enrage timer is like 10 minutes for each boss

[woeful swift]

every damage phase you don't kill the boss is another setup phase where stupid bs can kill you

and another damage phase where stupid bs can kill you

[brisk bronze]

Yeah I guess

[woeful swift]

it's arguably worse on wright because eventually chungas will just start spawning every other wave and 1tapping you in the middle of damage phases

lovebirds don't really introduce any new variables later in the encounter or anything

[brisk bronze]

yeah wright seems harder than the lovebirds though that could be because I keep missing the sprinklers 🗿

The strat where you stay in the gate area seems pretty cheesy on lovebirds since the sniper turrets wont shoot you

[woeful swift]

yeah we haven't tried that but it just seems slow and annoying if you're trying to use ouroboros for damage, which you should be if you have it

[brisk bronze]

With my rng I'll never see that

[woeful swift]

i don't think wright is harder than lovebirds, lovebirds has way WAY more random bs that will kill you out of the blue. sniper turrets in weird places, martinez fire that hits you when it's pointed 180 degrees away from you

wright's stupid bs is consistent at least

[brisk bronze]

I guess it's just down to sprinkler aim lol

[woeful swift]

his axe swing is always too wide, chungas always spawn when you don't want them to

[delicate laurel]

finally maxed out my C7

[grim birch]

I got like 5 of those

[delicate laurel]

ok?

[sullen sun]

@urban latch got a build for the new flame turret set?

[slate wedge]

i hate when people wanna run 4 dps
(although we accidentally did wright eith 4 dps and got it flawless) but when having to dps bosses a healer just outclasses the dps huys by a mile

a healer needs to give 33% more damage to the team to be viable and with scorpio, FI and opportunistic alone it gives 72.5% more damage considering the DPS guys ruj striker chest

[slate wedge]

beautiful stuff, nearly there

[delicate laurel]

I'm too lazy to do my vector

I'll on my p416 since it's almost fully done

1 more tinker and its fully optimized

[slate wedge]

why p416?

[glossy scarab]

p416 is great when you want to feel middling and underwhelmed

[slate wedge]

same goes for most ARs

only good HE ARs are Famas, C7, Police M4, Kingbreaker and Shield Splinterer

[glossy scarab]

pretty much yeah

[olive badger]

got something nice for protection from elite build

[hexed steppe]

nice, now craft 20 more to donate to expertise

[tawdry flare]

He is already proficient

[hexed steppe]

🤣 missed that mb

[candid siren]

is 5.11 used much?

[fickle light]

its so bad its a meme actually, so no

[candid siren]

ok thanks

got a perfect piece so ill just recal it

[fickle light]

you cant recal the brand tho so its a dead peice

[candid siren]

wdym

[fickle light]

you can only change the attributes and talents, not the brand of an item

if its a 5.11 peice it will always be a 5.11 peice

[candid siren]

oh yea i mean put the stats in recal library

[fickle light]

ah, gotcha

[slate wedge]

i have some nice improv gloves that come with max skill damage and a skill tier

[delicate laurel]

Don't dis the p416 it was my go to AR for a long time it got the job done

[olive badger]

Where can it be used

[glossy scarab]

its fine. i didnt mean to imply that its total junk

[delicate laurel]

I got a fal I'm gonna attempt to use on heroic

[glossy scarab]

should be fine

[delicate laurel]

Doesn't the fal have the shortest mag

Of the ARS?

[tawdry flare]

It's the most powerful gear set /s

[sullen sun]

How is this shit allowed in the DZ??

Not to mention the Oroboros is stupid OP

[slate wedge]

i really don't know

maybe a legendary skill build

[tawdry flare]

No

[slate wedge]

slap oro on with a sokolov chest with obliterate

[slate wedge]

slap pfe on everything

[olive badger]

maybe a full improv skill build for nothing

[tawdry flare]

We are staying in the cover for most of the time as a skill player if you want skill build a hana wyvern or contractor will be much better

[olive badger]

like this

[tawdry flare]

Yes but change kinetic momentum to glass cannon

[fickle light]

Its allowed because it is. Thats all there is to it.

[olive badger]

this one?

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[olive badger]

got it

[slate wedge]

exactly

[olive badger]

are there any other holster choices for the DPS build since the engine give lots of CHC?

[glossy scarab]

that might be the best with that build

[fickle light]

54 is good with coyote's, you'll be in midrange alot and 54 means you wont be wasting a lot of the buff while still using a good amount of it

[olive badger]

okay, thanks

[dense seal]

On High End, there is not much point going Elmo, it messes with the crit ratio's to a point of where a Famas just does more

[slate wedge]

i use mine with a wyvern gc chest and an empress tech support backpack

[olive badger]

does it? I thought the 20% CHD is better. maybe I'll try famas when I get one with OOC

[dense seal]

Famas is still the Meta AR. With the right set up, Famas can do 27% more than Elmo.
With the set up you have here, change the Holster to Ceska and Elmo for Famas and you do 8% more.

[urban latch]

I've played around with it a little, but tbh I'm not sure what the best way to use it is. It can do an amazing job of clearing a room, but the problem is the cool down takes absolutely forever for it to come back.

[dense seal]

Eclipse . . .

[sullen sun]

Seems like it would be really good in Summit

[urban latch]

Exactly lol, the whole time I was trying to figure out a setup or use, I just kept thinking eclipse was better lol

[dense seal]

Yep, Eclipse does nearly double in terms of Performance, spread quicker, offers greater buffs, spreads further and refreshes the burn.
Ortiz "might" be a good set, but as long as Eclipse exists, there is next to no point using it

[olive badger]

27% On high end?

[dense seal]

Famas can utilise Perfect Focus, Elmo's cannot

[glossy scarab]

plus it can look super cute

[dense seal]

BEST THING IN YEAR 5 SEASON 2!

[slate wedge]

i like the black and black gold skins more

also the hunter outfit

[dense seal]

HERESY!

[slate wedge]

on a striker build eith the chest is it still 27% better

[dense seal]

Perfect Focus Famas beats literally everything except Ouroboros.

And Regulus

[slate wedge]

which shows how OP oreo is

[calm anvil]

Hey guys, recently hit level 40 and now level 6 SHD. What build should I be focusing ?

[urban latch]

The automated CC just seems like it would be really useful somewhere, but I actually have no idea what an actual use case would be, and running a 4p gearset dedicated to just 1 skill that has a massive cool down is such a high cost for it

[slate wedge]

PF forces you into a certain playstyle tho which St. Elmo doesn't

but I am just a filthy no-brainer

[dense seal]

This is true, but the overall performance, usability, customisations and DPS of Famas is why it is the Meta AR and Elmo's is not.

[dense seal]

Striker's or Eclipse are my reccomended.
Striker is a good all rounder, but will require and early investment into Crit.
Eclipse is more powerful early on, just 4 pieces with Backpack and chest, even with bad rolls you can easily jump to Heroic, but you will absolutely struggle against the Chungas.

[urban latch]

Id at least put Elmo's in the FAMAS, M4, C7 mention as one of the top ARs, take your pick for your favorite. They all have their reasons to prefer them

[calm anvil]

Thanks, I have been joining countdowns but people kick me out or leave when I try to do anything heroic, Is countdown good way to farm for striker or eclipse

[dense seal]

Yeah, I am not saying it is bad.
And there are some build where Elmo does become Best In Slot.

[hexed steppe]

Handling is better on elmo. Bigger mag as well. Outside of perfect focus famas* just marginally better with crap handling.
I rarely see pf utilized in matchmaking. I'm sure it's used in legendary/raids more though...
Elmo also on 90% of the builds I inspect... but definitely not meta 🤣

[woven pewter]

Farm CD on challenging.

For heroic, you'll need to be properly geared

[calm anvil]

Do you still get exotics on challenging?

Do I set the target loot on CD to have a better chance?

[woven pewter]

Yes, there arent huge difference in loot quality between challenging and heroic.

So stick into challenging and you'll get nice loot too.

[candid night]

Here are my base stats
Weapon dmg: 100000
CHD: 135%
Which chest piece is more apt(with obliterate talent)

1. Fenris
2. Gropo sombra

[woven pewter]

Yes, that would be a smart move. Set TL you need and take a stroll. :)

Also you can spend CD currency into exo caches.

Its a win-win situation.

[calm anvil]

Thanks for the advice, going to grind CD now

[dense seal]

Handling = Learn
Bigger Mag - not as useful as you think. Considering the vast majority of the player base are compulsive reloaders anyway. 1 kill, reload, 1 kill, reload, 1 kill, reload. The End result is Meh. If it is taking more rounds to kill an enemy, that is a build issue, nothing to do with the weapon.
That "Margin" averages out to be roughly 6%. This is the difference of Famas vs AKM. Do you use AKM?
Just because peopel use something does not make it Meta.

[slate wedge]

agreed

[dense seal]

The vast majority of players I inspect have at least 2 blue cores. Blue cores are no where near meta. . . .

[rich lotus]

Is there anything in the build spreadsheet that talks about an Elmo+Shield+Vanguard build? I'm in there at the moment, and can't see anything specific to what I'm after

[astral kraken]

@blissful rampart Bruiser Sustained DPS link is broken on the spreadsheet FYI

[rich lotus]

Would prefer not to review YouTube builds if I don't have to

[urban latch]

What do you mean exactly?

[rich lotus]

Oh neat, you're the build guy. OK, don't go anywhere, I just need to be a little bit more clear about what I'm asking

[dense seal]

The suspence is killing me.

[slate wedge]

You're "The Build Guy" now lmao

[urban latch]

I just copy the famous YouTuber, dod

[hexed steppe]

Why would akm even enter the conversation 💀
It's even worse.
Burst and sustain still better on elmo so it would be an obv choice instead of akm. Elmo also rivals other top ar that have damage talent even while lacking 1 itself.
Handling also goes into the reload if you're a compulsive reloader...🤷‍♂️
People gravitate to it for a reason and it isnt for the talent. It's in the meta sphere along with other top ar

[rich lotus]

I have an OK build, I use crusader+Elmo+Galvanize+Vanguard. 3x Bulwark, 1x Electrique, 1x Gila, Picaros. All blue cores
I was wondering if there's a build in the spreadsheet that expands on this and makes it better? I know I could be using something better than 3x Bulwark

[slate wedge]

should change your name to "Raucey ("The Build Guy")"

[rich lotus]

Also, apologies! You could be The Build Gal, or The Build Person. Not intentionally assumed genders there!

[glossy scarab]

the buildsmith, the buildmeister

[slate wedge]

AKM is really good tbf

St. Elmo's is used so much because it is an easy to get and still very solid weapon compared to other ARs

but i wouldn't say it is the meta

meta contender at best

[slate wedge]

BOB DER BAUMEISTER

[glossy scarab]

lol

[urban latch]

I guess the closest thing is the tank build, but I don't think your goal is really tanking? If your just looking for a tanky but still able to dps build then I'd suggest something like hunters fury or heartbreakers with blue cores and crit attributes.

[slate wedge]

the build really isn't good not gonna lie

tanks are pretty obsolete anyways and if you make a tank rather go for True Patriot or Foundry Bulwark

[rich lotus]

It's a crusader tank+support+self-sustaining by proccing Elmo. I'm not doing the true deeps but I'm facetanking and buffing everyone else

That's why I use Elmo+Galv+Vanguard. Happy to hear any suggestions that use those ❤️

[urban latch]

Tbh your not really buffing your teammates all that much... Your more helpful to the group actually doing damage than giving them a bit of bonus armor and expecting them to do all the damage

[dense seal]

You are missing the point. There is an average of a 6% difference between Famas and Elmo on a full build.
The same difference between Famas and AKM at base. Famas is Meta because of that 6% difference.
"Elmo also rivals other top ar that have damage talent even while lacking 1 itself." No, it doesn't.
Police M4, stats wise is the same as Elmo ; Will do 11 - 14% more in Burst DPS than Elmo. No Stacking needed
Fast Hands Famas does 6% more in Burst, and 11% more in Sustained.
In terms of Performance Famas - Shield Splinter (HE only) - CTAR - Honey Badger (if at 60% CHC) - Police M4 - Elmos - Carbine 7.
The nly argument you have is the handling, which is a learned skill.

[rich lotus]

That sucks. OK, I'll have a rethink about what I'm doing

Appreciate the feedback, gang ❤️

[slate wedge]

THE META BUILD

doesn't even use striker shield

i mean build itself is not bad but he is acting again as if he discovered it

[hazy steeple]

"Breaking news, youtuber does something wrong.
next up, dog bites man"

[candid night]

Whats the talent on chest?

[hazy steeple]

The sheer amount of pixels is overwhelming, but with a squint it looks like Adrush+Unbreakable.

[livid horizon]

Elmos has great accuracy and stability, with the ability to hit hard at extreme range too. It's mods are brilliant and allow for builds to achieve more crit damage than other ARs. The shock rounds are the cherry on the cake.

[delicate laurel]

elmo is 1 of the best AR i say top 3

[livid horizon]

Famas for pure damage is top dog. But elmos isn't too far behind and is an absolute laser beam if you struggle with the handling of the famas.

[delicate laurel]

in my order its famas elmo c7 police m4

[hazy steeple]

Burn Out is an option for Famas if you like how it handles but want a laser beam.
although even as a big fan of that, I have to admit that Elmo's is still ridiculously strong.

[delicate laurel]

isnt burn out the talent for the named famas?

wait im stupid

[hazy steeple]

Not exactly, Burn Out is the named Famas, the talent is

Reloading from empty grants 40% weapon handling for 10 seconds."```

40% WH is amazing.

[dense seal]

Meta AR Build vs The best you can do with Elmo. 27.61% Difference.

[delicate laurel]

i had a brainfart i thought the burn out was the talent

[livid horizon]

Burn out isn't for me personally as I don't like being forced to mag dump every mag.

[livid horizon]

That with what talent on famas?

[dense seal]

Fast Hands

[hazy steeple]

As someone who grew up on FPS's where you are taught to reload ASAP so you don't go dry, it took a shockingly small amount of time to adjust my playstyle for Burnout.

[delicate laurel]

i have a bad habit of realoading after a few shots

[livid horizon]

It's not difficult. It's just not for me.

[hazy steeple]

I'm talking in general, but no worries.

[livid horizon]

In general?

[urban latch]

What are these numbers? The difference should be quite small between them

[dense seal]

It is Perfect Focus

[livid horizon]

That's a bigger gap than I'd expect. Is this burst or sustained dps?

[urban latch]

What's 100%?

And average?

[livid horizon]

Oh I see, so different builds then? Or can Elmo's run with perfect focus?

[urban latch]

Elmo's cant

[livid horizon]

So it's an unfair comparison

[hexed steppe]

It's a skewed comparison

[livid horizon]

Silly dod

[urban latch]

Which is his point, but at the same time isn't exactly a fair comparison

[hexed steppe]

Not many using perfect focus tbh...

[dense seal]

First line of Percentages are the differences between then.
Average is 30% Head Shots, 70% body

[dense seal]

Yes and no. If we are going to say Elmo is "meta" then this is the best it can do.
Vs the best that Famas can do.

Essentially comparing the Elmo "meta" to the Famas Meta.
Yes, they are two different build, but that is the point, this is what Famas can do.

[urban latch]

30% headshots is quite a high assumption. And those difference in numbers still don't really make sense

[livid horizon]

That would imply that everyone uses meta builds and nothing else. I'd suggest full stacks strikers comparisons with famas vs elmos with crit adjusted for elmos due to those mods.

[hexed steppe]

Should be on the exact same build

[dense seal]

That is not comparing the meta

[dense seal]

30% Head shot is 15 rounds. I have seen you do at least 30 in IH

[livid horizon]

Then you'll have a much better understanding of the difference between the two weapons.

[urban latch]

What are the two builds your comparing?

[livid horizon]

And also a comparison with the famas running both fast hands and strained.

[candid night]

Famas + busy little bee > elmo

[livid horizon]

But even without a spreadsheet it's not too hard to feel the difference ingame. Famas does have better burst and sustain but elmos isn't 27% behind in a direct comparison of one vs the other.

[dense seal]

Exact same build. No Talent on Famas.

I'll pretend I am shocked another time. . .

[livid horizon]

Yea much more like it

Not too much in it

[dense seal]

I added Strained

[livid horizon]

Did you adjust crit numbers for Elmo, since it's mods can work harder than famas?

[dense seal]

Of course.

[livid horizon]

Yea that's about how I thought it'd be. Elmo's is pretty well balanced. If elmos out dps'd a Famas then it'd not be worth running any other AR

[primal storm]

hi all what the best version striker lost paradise ?

[tawdry flare]

That is the problem

[livid horizon]

Oreo

[tawdry flare]

After seeing oreo I would like it to get buffed

[livid horizon]

Honestly Oreo needs another nerf...

[tawdry flare]

I am the NerfKing

[livid horizon]

Hahaha

[dense seal]

You say that but . . . . G36 with Strained vs Elmo.

[livid horizon]

I think lower the damage slightly, keep the rpm. And adjust the talent so it's a bit more impactful

[tawdry flare]

How about m4 with strained vs Elmo? That is a better comparison

Ik Elmo will lose

[urban latch]

I'm still confused on what 100% baseline is?

[tawdry flare]

You too?

[livid horizon]

I don't mind that elmos isn't top dps. It's mods, handling and talent are great and provide a nice alternative to a standard AR

[tawdry flare]

The talent is shit though

[livid horizon]

I don't mind it

Better talent than oreo

[tawdry flare]

Need a better DMG talent put on like dread edict talent

[fickle light]

This is a lot of math to come to the conclusion that Elmo's loses to famas a lot of the time, which we already knew?

[livid horizon]

Yea we did

[tawdry flare]

With the special ammo directive Oreo is better

[livid horizon]

I don't agree

Oreo talent is one of the worst in the game.

[dense seal]

There isn't It is the difference. I just do not know how to show it more clearly. So the difference is 112.44% this is a difference of 12.44%

[tawdry flare]

I don't doubt it it's just that directive makes the talent a bit useful

[dense seal]

Elmos will still decimate in terms of sustained.

[tawdry flare]

You could've made one 100 and other 112.44%

[livid horizon]

Elmos talent is predictable, and occurs often. Oreo talent hardly ever procs and when it does it's gone in half a second.

[dense seal]

It takes Fast hands to beat Elmo in Sustained DPS, which then only leaves you with one option to win in terms of both burst and Sustained. Famas.

[livid horizon]

Oreo is the flavour of the month because it's unbalanced. It should get another nerf to bring it closer to other smgs. Then it wouldn't replace AR's as much in medium range builds.

I mean it is fun melting stuff with it, but it's a bit too good and it will be all people run on average

[dense seal]

It just needs it's RPM brought down to the other Vectors, 1,200. With the ROF mod, that is still 1,320 (this still makes that the best SMG, just not by 60%). Then rework the talent so that enemies affected by any status take 10% more amp damage. Done

[livid horizon]

Would work well with hunters too

Since its a status cc

[tawdry flare]

Meanwhile while we are at it add some amp to elmos like 10% amp

Just to make it a bit strong

[livid horizon]

I prefer high rpm tho

It's still fast, with strikers too

I guess...

[dense seal]

Exactly. It gives you the option, run full unga bunga with strikers.
Run the Amp side with HF.
Amp/Buff with OD.
Skills can help compensate.

[tawdry flare]

Just add the talent amplified DMG to all status enemies by 10-15% for elmo

[dense seal]

15% would put it right back to where we started

[tawdry flare]

Let me see

Yeah lol

Better than having nothing

Oreo has insane rpm

[dense seal]

5% would be "balanced" but considering the Devs said they want it to keep it's "identity" 10% is powerful, but not, - NO OTHER SMG EXISTS -

[tawdry flare]

Sleigher /s

[dense seal]

It would also mostly balance it for PvP.
In order for it to be OP in PvP people would need to run HF.

[thin patrol]

Sleigher = hunter killer

[livid horizon]

How does chatterbox with rof full buff compare?

[dense seal]

I am not too sure, and have no time left, got to do incursion carries in a minute.
Though the ROF fluctuating would be an issue along with the ability to put DTOOC on Oreo.

[livid horizon]

Yea it's not a fair comparison as chatterbox isn't consistent but with full striker stacks, chatterbox might be able to keep the talent active and avoid reloads...

[tawdry flare]

Also no dttoc

It is about time they should allow all exotic to be rerollable

[livid horizon]

Higher dmg though

[livid horizon]

Noooo

My exo components!

Haha

[tawdry flare]

Sacrum Imperium

[glossy scarab]

didnt they change it so that you can reroll an exotic and it keeps its expertise?

[livid horizon]

Dunno

[tawdry flare]

I don't wanna try that tbf

Onmy expertise 20 weapon

[glossy scarab]

i swear i saw that somewhere. but i wont try it either

[tawdry flare]

On expertise 1 weapon yeah

I will just farm a exo 1 expertise 1 reroll

[glossy scarab]

oh yae

[tawdry flare]

2 exo mats for trial

[dense seal]

I know you can roll it to level 30 and keep it, but full on reroll . . . . no clue. Pretty sure it "destroys" the weapon

[glossy scarab]

its possible i saw this in a dream

[tawdry flare]

I guess have 2 sacrifice 2 exo mats

Like for cd hunters 119mill hp

[sterile scarab]

Confirmed - you can reconfigure exo while retaining expertise

[tawdry flare]

What did you confirm it with ?

[glossy scarab]

woohoo! for once I was right about something

[sterile scarab]

Posted on TD2 forums + tested personally on ouroboros exotic smg today

[tawdry flare]

Nice

[urban latch]

Really?

[limber field]

Has anyone been able to get a busy bee to drop from countdown？

[woeful swift]

not from countdown, but i got one from an exotic cache i got with countdown requisition

[sterile scarab]

100% confirmed

[tawdry flare]

Yup tested it rn

[wooden finch]

what are the PVP stats for efficient/perfectly efficient?

[tawdry raven]

Is firewall better than gunner?

[slate wedge]

for pvp and all builds that focus on close range yes

[hexed steppe]

Makes me wonder why people were putting expertise on a weapon that didnt have the right attributes to begin with 🤣

[gentle lichen]

5 to 6 blues to make the medkit viable along with survivalist. Can either go cavalier perfectly efficient or meta with perfectly efficient

[wooden finch]

that doesnt answer my question

[gentle lichen]

Oh I thought you said strats instead of stats

You mean the attributes on it?

[wooden finch]

efficient is a talent.

fairly certain its nerfed in pvp vs. pve since it was stupid broken for a bit

so im asking what the PvP stats of it is, cause I dont have one to test w rn

[gentle lichen]

I believe the specialisation's bonus is 50% instead of 100%

The chance for not spending the medkit is the same

Keep in mind that firewall medkit is also nerfed

So stacking them together wouldn't net as much armor as you'd think

225% I believe instead of 300% if they both weren't nerfed in pvp

[magic pilot]

Survivalist better if you run efficient anyway

It's only really good in a group to begin with

[slate wedge]

i would go for firewall as the medkit is hella strong

[gentle lichen]

Firewall if solo. Survivalist if group

[magic pilot]

The only change they made was the arm time of it

[wooden finch]

so it still doubles kit effectiveness?

[gentle lichen]

Really? Last time i checked it was 50% instead of 100%

That was last season tho didn't check this season

[magic pilot]

I mean as of the last nerf they put out

Still increased by 100%

[wooden finch]

does it double duration and armor/sec tho, or one of them, is the question

[tulip charm]

pretty sure its armor/sec

[serene crow]

how do i get higher dmg?

feel like everyone else i meet has higher dps then me

[woeful swift]

i mean a lot of it comes down to shd level

[hallow forge]

How many chc mods do you have applied? Running coyotes with 59% chc is a bit pointless if you ask me.

[woeful swift]

yeah, that's true too. you can drop it a little bit in favor of chd

[hallow forge]

Chc is capped at 60% anyway so the whole talent of the mask will only effectively apply for chd.

You could potentially swap the chest for grupo(cdh) or fenris(ar)

[vestal ibex]

Fen is less damage especially for low SHD players who need chc

[orchid cloud]

FAMAS 2010 replica gud with strained and 10% dttooc?

[vestal ibex]

Still top bust damage ar

[orchid cloud]

not maxed yet just got to hold one

[vestal ibex]

With fast hands best sustain damage ar

[hallow forge]

Strained on a famas😅 not the most effective one i guess

[orchid cloud]

optimist it is then?

Also FAMAS replica or without replica thing?

[vestal ibex]

Stained is the best DPS damage talent in a crit build.

[hallow forge]

Thing is, the famas hits 900rpm?

[vestal ibex]

Omg this again

[hallow forge]

900/60=15 rounds a second, full mag would be less then 4 sec

[vestal ibex]

It is still more damage

[hallow forge]

Im not sayin it doesn’t deal damage

[bronze hound]

whats happening

[vestal ibex]

It's less damage using optimist unless you are on a pvp build with blues.

[vestal ibex]

Age old optimist stained thing

[hallow forge]

Not gonna argue with that

[orchid cloud]

Yeah my build is currently tank DPS and im having a dilemma on whether to choose the FAMAS with or without replica thing

[bronze hound]

ok so two sides to this argument:

theres the one that says "strained is better than optimist"
and
the wrong one

[orchid cloud]

Or are they the same?

[bronze hound]

same

[woeful swift]

no mercy

[vestal ibex]

Tank DPS? What?

[hallow forge]

The same, replica just says its a crafted 1

[vestal ibex]

If your a tank your only option of DPS is ouro.

[orchid cloud]

Oh they're the same umm well what about vector 9mm or vector 45 acp?

[bronze hound]

tank dps doesnt really exist (without OB)

[stiff jasper]

actually it is not "less damage", you get same damage increase whatever you high red or low red, it is "less percentage"

[hallow forge]

Different versions, different base damage/mag sizes

[candid night]

Regulus bulwark exists?

[bronze hound]

thats..... not dps?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but you take regulus HH build and put a skill on it.

[candid night]

Am i missing something here why do you need a skill with reg hh ?

Proc hh and tap heads

[stiff jasper]

@bronze hound let say your gun have 100 base damage, then full stack of optimist give you 30 weapon damage, right?
then if you full red, you get 100(base) + 90(6 red) + 30 (fullstack optimist)
the number of optimist are same, but the percentage not

[bronze hound]

i full heartedly did not understand that

[vestal ibex]

Your earlier statement made it sound like you were relating the damage of the two

Or something like that. You never said what you were even referring to

My statement was about overall damage output.

[stiff jasper]

well, just some math stuff, don't mine

[hazy valve]

So wat u guys think: 4p rigger with fox prayers and waveform, using the exotic gun that starts with a c (keep forgetting the name lol) using strike drone and oxi

[sterile scarab]

I have an all red striker build should I reroll optimist to strained for Max DPS output?

This is new news to me. I thought optimist was max Dps

[stiff jasper]

0/10

[bronze hound]

-1/10

[hazy valve]

:(

[bronze hound]

also its capacitor

[hazy valve]

Ty lol

[stiff jasper]

double everything except second, for example healing amount and range double for survialist kit

[serene crow]

but wont coyote be adding towards the total 59% CHC

[wooden finch]

kk so firewalls 40%/s for 10 seconds?
or is firewall kit nerfed from 20% default

[stiff jasper]

hazard + explosive resistance / healing + skill haste

[wooden finch]

60% is hard cap for crit chance

[wooden finch]

what.

[stiff jasper]

40%/s for 10 second, if pve

[wooden finch]

you havent read anything of what ive said have you

[stiff jasper]

?

oh sorry i missunderstanding

[wooden finch]

what do those minor attributes have to do with a talent lol

[stiff jasper]

pvp nerfed to 50% bonus

[wooden finch]

i just asked abt efficient+firewall in pvp

[stiff jasper]

pve is 100%

[wooden finch]

i know

im asking about PVP.

please read.

[stiff jasper]

if you ask about pvp, firewall kit are 15%/s , then efficient boost 50%, so 22.5%/s

[magic pilot]

His first language isn't English that's why

[hallow forge]

Yes it will, but to a max of 60% chc since thats the maxed cap. So essentially you can only gain 1% effectively. If you reduce it to 45-50% you should be able to gain 12-24% additional chd as a base nr.

[slate wedge]

Rigger is ass

[serene crow]

Sorry I mean the image that I showed with the 59% CHC is that before the coyote bonus is applied or is that the figure after it's applied ?

[candid night]

Talent buffs will not be shown in base stats

[serene crow]

Oh okay so I can afford to go right down on that then and change to CHD

[candid night]

Atleast my dps build has all chd on gear pieces except mask, chest

as minor attributes

[serene crow]

Yeah I even focused more on CHC on my watch upgrades

[hazy valve]

Hmm pls explain

[candid night]

If you're already at 59, then go ahead and invest in chd

Few weapon attachments can also be swapped for chd except if you're using exotic

[serene crow]

Yeah I'm at 59% before coyotes is even added so I'm waisting that bonus really would there be any point in keeping coyotes on if my base CHC is that high

[woeful swift]

you should chance your chc, not the exotic

[candid night]

If without coyote your hitting that number then invest in mask that gives good 1pc bonus that synergises with your build

[orchid cloud]

Nothing to complain about 59% chc tho

[woeful swift]

it's not bad, just wasteful with coyote's

[candid night]

Like fenris - ar dmg boost
Walker n harris - weapon dmg etc

[serene crow]

Yeah but I think my issue is I've picked to optimize CHC on most of my loadout over CHD

[woeful swift]

just recal one of your chc attributes

[hallow forge]

Its not applied there

[candid night]

Groupo also gives 15% chd as 1piece bonus

[woeful swift]

coyote's applies to your whole team so it's useful

[serene crow]

Yeah so I can afford to drop down to like 50% CHC and go up on the CHD

[slate wedge]

the damage you get from Rigger is so small and Hard Wired is just 10x better

because it gives total skill damage and not skill damage like rigger

[hexed steppe]

high end ultimately the best skill build setup. but i agree highend > hardwire > rigger

[hazy valve]

So 25% total skill damage is better than 50% regular skill damage?

[hexed steppe]

its a separate modifier. regular skill is additive to all your existing rolls

the only thing rigger really has going for it is on demand deployables with no cooldown when destroyed.

[serene crow]

I want for one time them to just go f it you can have full exotic builds 😂

[hazy valve]

Ooo ok

[hexed steppe]

i knew a guy that always ran rigger and he liked it specifically for on demand. but if running turrets anyways you can get a lot more out of brand bonuses /talents and they can be timed so 1 is always up

[hazy valve]

So 4 piece hardwire, fox prayers and waveform lol

[hexed steppe]

are you going oxi?

[hazy valve]

Oxi striker drone

[hexed steppe]

dttooc only affect oxi and i think a firefly variant

[hazy valve]

Yea I know

[hexed steppe]

you'd be better off high end

[hazy valve]

Waveform not good?

[hexed steppe]

maybe acostas to oc the oxi. 3 empress, yellow foxes, yellow sacrifice perfect glass

waveform ok. but you dont want to add it till all other damage increase options are used.

[hazy valve]

Bet

[hexed steppe]

that yellow sacrifice would also fit into a mortar build if you make 1 down the road

[sterile scarab]

Level 10 ouro is hitting stronger than level 23 famas optimist in range - is this the highest dps gun in game?

[urban latch]

By far

[merry stone]

yes probably, it also does almost double dps have st elmos as well

[vestal ibex]

50% based on DPSxPRM compared to famas

[merry stone]

where does the collector exotic drop from??

nade regend exotic

[vestal ibex]

Season track right?

[merry stone]

this one or previous??

[vestal ibex]

It just came out this season

[sterile scarab]

That's at full dps stacks - I didn't expect that. And I still have a chance to add a sokolov mask instead of ceska - I don't need that much crit anymore

[vestal ibex]

It's about the same dps with whatever you pick actually.

[merry stone]

bless

[sterile scarab]

How? Maxes out?

[vestal ibex]

Like the brands you could pick. Foxes, grupo, ceska with coyotes mask are all within like 1%.

The man did some math for us noobs. I could find the message but you can search yourself.

[sterile scarab]

Thanks.

[lofty bolt]

quick question for AR talents should I go with fast hands if I'm running strikers with the police M4?

I normally go strained on something like an ACR but with how fast the police m4 fires is it even worth using it?

[shy basalt]

you should be running actum est

as your talent 😉

[flint wave]

binoculars

[astral kraken]

very worth it. there's no such thing as "too fast" reload speed 😄

i would say just try running with and without and you'll see the difference

fast hands will get you out of a lot of sticky situations

[limber field]

Kid you not very first countdown looking for a bee with target loot pistols today and she drops

XD

[hazy valve]

Just go brrrrr

[slate wedge]

probably fast hands or strained are best for m4

[astral kraken]

For striker/memento bruiser build, what's better: ceska for +chc or fox's for +dtooc?

[glossy scarab]

sorry to ping you with an old post but i cant message you back. you still have me blocked i think

[tulip charm]

ceska

[astral kraken]

excellent, ty

[sullen sun]

Is optimist really the better talent for AR’s?

Or strained?

[tulip charm]

strained if full red. Optimist gets better with the more blues you have

[sullen sun]

This build is saying otherwise lol

[tulip charm]

❓

what am I looking at

[sullen sun]

It slaps

[tulip charm]

perfect focus is better

[sullen sun]

Good idea

[sullen sun]

Should I go firewal?

[hexed steppe]

You'll be on an 8x scope... I dont know if a cqb shield will be ideal or worth

[sullen sun]

True

[hexed steppe]

Tech spec would give a free skill tier for regular shield

[noble wadi]

So fresh out of NY I ended up going for the set I had the most pieces of, and currently just been grinding out ranks on it. There anything I should keep in mind as I get duplicate drops to possibly swap out?

[glossy scarab]

you only need 4 pcs of the set

[sullen sun]

I do like that rpm boost though tbh

[hexed steppe]

Yeah gunner solid. Aok doesnt hurt either

[noble wadi]

so perfectly fine to get two parts from a different set then

[sullen sun]

@noble wadi Refer to the pinned notes

All kinds of great builds to refer to

[noble wadi]

Ty

[random parcel]

what does the color mean in the build spread sheet? like red, yellow etc....

[glossy scarab]

two pieces of gear from brand sets. like grupo or sokolov or ceska. but not two of the same brand unless the two piece bonus is something you want. like sokolov gets 15% chd for having 2 pieces on

[woeful swift]

or one part and an exotic

[sullen sun]

Spreadsheet sry

[autumn moon]

Does the skill repair from the technician skill tree boost the defender drone or artificer hive?
Or only to skills which apply healing?

[ionic frost]

Can I still get the oro smg to drop in count down or is it just incursion

[glossy scarab]

just incusion

[ionic frost]

Ok thanks

This is my st Elmo stats, the damage I’m guessing should be at cap

[woeful swift]

that chd is super, super low

[glossy scarab]

very low

should be at the very least 150.

[woeful swift]

especially for shd 243

[glossy scarab]

oh only shd 243 i see

[woeful swift]

i mean. i'm shd 106 and i've got 150% chd

[glossy scarab]

probly bad rolls on the build

[woeful swift]

ye

[ionic frost]

@glossy scarab @woeful swift just raised it to 112.4

[woeful swift]

what did it drop your chc to?

[glossy scarab]

very good

[woeful swift]

and what attributes are on your gear?

[ionic frost]

Didn’t drop anything

[ionic frost]

I’ll check in a sec

[woeful swift]

then you should put more chd on

right now you might be wasting chc if you just dropped some and you're still over the cap

[ionic frost]

I didn’t drop chc

[woeful swift]

then you should

[ionic frost]

Ok

[woeful swift]

you want to be around 50% chc, and then as much chd as possible, at least with a striker build which i kinda just assume is being used

it seems like you might be able to drop a chc mod or two and still have 50+% chc, plus more chd so you'll be dealing more damage

[flint wave]

It is strikers

The gear is on the right

[serene crow]

Is the weapon " harmony" eligible for a skill build?

[flint wave]

As a secondary

[lofty bolt]

Just wondering what's the best non exotic shotty for a strikers build? I'm wanting to use elmos so I can't use scorpio sadly

[astral kraken]

hands down ACS-12 or rock'n'roll

[woeful swift]

some version of the acs-12, yeah

[astral kraken]

lefty can be useful too in some situations

[tawdry raven]

acs builds striker stacks like crazy but i use dark winter smg for a secondary to st elmo

[lofty bolt]

rock'n'roll is from dz right?

[tawdry raven]

and named caches

[lofty bolt]

oh I didn't know that, that's the only reason I wasn't going for it

so go for that or a good acs-12 then will do

any talent in particular? pummel I assume?

[tawdry raven]

idk pummels more for pump shotguns

maybe optimist or strained

[lofty bolt]

gotcha will do then thanks for the tip

[astral kraken]

you dont really need rock'n'roll tbh

[tawdry raven]

ideally get a godroll with dttooc so u can keep recalibrating talents to whatever one u think feels best

[thin oracle]

How this artillery torrent build look?

[astral kraken]

acs-12 with flatline is really good

[tawdry raven]

theyre using a st elmo strikers build

[astral kraken]

even w/o flatline the normal acs is fine

[urban latch]

Poor... For a mortar turret build just go full high end. Ninjabike is just not an exotic worth using, especially in combination with hardwired

There's an explosive build guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[thin oracle]

Gotcha

[ionic frost]

Ok what are the best talents to use?

[woeful swift]

what build are you using

[ionic frost]

Striker, cheska gloves and memento

St elmo and lefty, sharpshooter side arm

[woeful swift]

you can't choose any of the talents then

elmo, lefty, striker, and memento all have talents set

[olive badger]

I don't think it's a good idea to use both striker chest and memento

[ionic frost]

What should I switch to striker gloves and ceska chest?

[ionic frost]

Or striker gloves and chains walker

[olive badger]

chains walker?

wdym

[ionic frost]

Chainwalker chest piece

[woeful swift]

i don’t know what that is but the build i use is coyote’s mask exotic mask with striker backpack, gloves, knees, holster, ceska chest

and in the incursion, for boss damage, i switch to coyote’s, striker chest, backpack, gloves, holster, and fox’s prayer knee pads

[olive badger]

ceska can be changed to sombra if the CDC is over 50%

[woeful swift]

with Elmo, i keep up with my teammates even with low shd level, and with ouro, i blow them out of the water when it comes to damage

[ionic frost]

I need ouro but I can’t get it the box won’t reset

[woeful swift]

that’s fine

[ionic frost]

Does it reset?

[woeful swift]

it’s bugged

[ionic frost]

How can I fix it?

[ionic frost]

Ok I’ll grab both

[woeful swift]

you can’t, that’s not how bugs work

it’s supposed to be fixed on tu 19.1 which might drop Tuesday

[olive badger]

Someone told me that the box is now reset after 7 days (not weekly reset)

[woeful swift]

but that’s not intentional

that’s still bugged

[olive badger]

yeah, for sure

thanks to ubugsoft

[ionic frost]

My friends has 3 ouro

Lmfao

[hexed steppe]

No chainkiller doesnt fit well with striker. It's for headshot chaining with sniper rifle...
Ceska oblit chest coyote striker elmo will allow you to roll all striker pieces to chd and all mods to chd.
You'll only need the chc rolls that are already secondary on coyote and highend.
It's a 9% chd gain over using Grupo

[woeful swift]

someone in this server has gotten four

[ionic frost]

Damn (sorry for language)

[ionic frost]

And ok

[woeful swift]

lmfao

[ionic frost]

@hexed steppe

[woeful swift]

looking pretty good

that’s what i run, just a different pistol, not that that matters

[astral kraken]

why ceska and not grupo

[woeful swift]

.

[hexed steppe]

If grupo you need more chc rolls.
Ceska, max watch, elmo, 2 rolls hits 52% chc. Which is perfect coyote.
It allows for 9% more chd if hitting similar chc

[glossy scarab]

the difference is small anyway. when it rly comes down to it, it doesnt rly matter which one you do

[astral kraken]

whats your chd? im running grupo with elmo and have 54% chc and 164% chd. i do have to roll chc on my gloves tho.

[glossy scarab]

173 maybe?

[hexed steppe]

Grupo you trade 24% chd to use a 15% chd brand.

[astral kraken]

ah

[hexed steppe]

I dont run strikers. But you're using 4 rolls to hit that 54%

[astral kraken]

ok i must be missing something then. i do have the alternate set on hand... i swapped grupo for ceska. and made the gloves roll chd instead of chc. so now all gear is rolling chd but im running ceska with elmos. 58% chc and 161% chd.

vs my original 54% chc and 164% chd

[glossy scarab]

you have one too many chc 6% rolls

[astral kraken]

but i must be missing something

[hexed steppe]

Swap 1 mode chc to chd

[astral kraken]

ah shit you're right, backpack

missed that

ok yea now it's 52% chc and 173% chd

i got the math all wrong 🤦‍♂️

coyotes makes up that diff, a little better for sure. thx

the amount of maxed out gear i have lying around is embarassing lol

[glossy scarab]

you should have like 98% max rolled stuff

[hexed steppe]

Nice 🍻

[glossy scarab]

i have a handful of things that need a few optimizations and its annoying

but im gonna wony for expertise levels before i spend materials on most of that

[ionic frost]

ok yea now it's 52% chc and 173% chd, this is what I need?

[astral kraken]

We Are The Same (tm)

[glossy scarab]

ceska is the way to go if you mostly play mid range

or long

[hexed steppe]

Any range *

Close is all chd

[glossy scarab]

well at close ranger you'd be better off with closer to 60% chc

closer to 60% you are the higher the dps is

[hexed steppe]

52 on striker is sufficient. The top end of stack damage will still have it slapping

[glossy scarab]

yeah it hits nice

i crit around 890k at close ranger with the ceska version

[hexed steppe]

But no striker for me... nego I keep high chc even with coyote 🍻

[glossy scarab]

yup

its nice cuz you can run grupo and all chd everything on nego and still have enough chc

coyotes mask and oblit chest. ND backpack of course

your chd ends up real high

[hexed steppe]

Sometimes I memento on it.
I've actually been using nego memento as a quick swap for when I'm running memento HH. It let's me keep my trophy stack on swap.

But yeah I run standard as you listed too and its 200 range chd, I dont remember exact tho

[glossy scarab]

i try to break my own record for how fast i can take out the 6 targets in the left side of the firing range (heroic and set to very hard)

[bronze hound]

I've seen em killed so fast the timer didn't even start

[glossy scarab]

ya dont say

[bronze hound]

The timer started and never stopped lol

It was wack

[glossy scarab]

hate that

[bronze hound]

Mortar turret lol

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah. i forgot the check it when i had on my crazy collector grenade build and was taking out all of them with one grenade. musta been like 3 seconds or something

[glossy scarab]

i found the grenade ttk

[bronze hound]

Yeah idk how mate did it before timer started

[woven pewter]

Those are rookie numbers... Use regulus for that.

You'll be shocked for wr timers. 😁

[glossy scarab]

oh of course. damn, regulus explosion knocks out all of them? thats wild

[round zinc]

is there any rifle that can 1 tap to the head on heroic with the right build?

preferably with determined

[patent elm]

potentially the 1866, but you dont have a scope and you kinda invalidate the rifle class bonus if you run it with determined

[round zinc]

the idea is just for mobbing

[patent elm]

What Mobbing

[round zinc]

i meant like general roaming

[hexed steppe]

Last reanimated I was paired with someone running determined 1886 like listed above. Headhunter chest + more traditional high end red pieces, (foxs, contractors, gift, etc),
And he was really tearing shit up

Ig a lot like what jd posted 😅

[glossy scarab]

yeah just hsd and weapon handling on everything. ..could run a habsburg piece on there instead of two W&H if you want but i didnt have a good one

[round zinc]

totally legit fr fr

@pearl atlas

[magic pilot]

Master piece