td2-build-advice

[noble dirge]

True. It's just more for the fun factor and seeing what the absolute fringes of build craft can offer.

[forest snow]

This is true, but have the ability to tailor the world to our play style like BP does. Would be pretty awesome to do, if only for pve.

Late late end game EOL, before they take the game offline or at least before they stop supporting it they should make it full PVE, give us the ability to change all aspects of the game (that would be easier to implement at least).

Obviously, it's a massive ask.

pun intended haha

[noble dirge]

My kingdom for a standalone sandbox mode. I want an M60 with the fire rate of the Tactical Vector 9mm and the magazine of the LAMG with Perfect Frenzy.

And then give me a gear set and brand that gives me all the ammo and fire rate.

[tawdry raven]

reroll til u get dmg to targets out of cover then optimize the stats to max, or just keep rolling til u get max rolls w/ dmg to targets out of cover

[tranquil wave]

gonna kms no shot

[ionic frost]

What does the contracors gloves look like

[fickle light]

pretty sure they use the normal petrov gloves look

[ionic frost]

Named petrov gloves ok

[fickle light]

yeah, pretty sure they use a normal petrov gloves skin, nothing special

why

[ionic frost]

Dps build I was gonna try it out

[fickle light]

...???

[ionic frost]

Hold up

[fickle light]

why did you need to know what they look like? the appearance doesnt matter, the stats on it do wha?

[ionic frost]

I didn’t know which type of glove

I know what stats I’m looking for tho

[fickle light]

coulda used the spreadsheet

[ionic frost]

It’s too complex for me🤷🏽‍♂️

[fickle light]

its laid out dude, pretty simple

[ionic frost]

When it took me to a R6 page I don’t think it’s simple

[fickle light]

???? how the hell did it take you to an R6 page are you using the spreadsheet pinned in this channel

[ionic frost]

I have no clue on how it took me there and yes

[fickle light]

yeah i refuse to believe that

[ionic frost]

🤷🏽‍♂️

[fickle light]

the spreadsheet is laid out as simple as possible

You dont even need to click any links past getting to the spreadsheet, you just click on the link to the spreadsheet in the pinned messages and then click whichever tab you want, hub for builds, weapons for what weapons are there, ect ect

[hexed steppe]

Sounds like a pebkac issue

[upper patrol]

it has dmg to targets out of cover, but can i max the stats with optimization?

[glossy scarab]

yeah

[upper patrol]

missing the hyena stuff

[glossy scarab]

not able to craft it?

[glossy scarab]

oh ok just low on materials

[upper patrol]

Did not knew about this, tho i spent the polly on maxing expertise for some dumb reason 🙂

[glossy scarab]

eh its not that hard to get. esp if you have some scav points on any of your characters

[hexed steppe]

Hit up solar farm control point daily for a ton of mats

[upper patrol]

will try

oborus is just stupid op

a noob like me dishing out 1000mil dps in countdown heroic is something else

and i got nothing thaaat special

[tawdry flare]

Remove ceska put on foxes

And you should be at 59/166

Mb didn't saw your shd level

Just make sure you are not over 60% chc

[upper patrol]

checking on the excel, can't find foxes

[tawdry flare]

Foxe's Kneepads they are named overload pcs with 8% dttoc

[upper patrol]

oh ok

[glossy scarab]

The ceska will get you higher crits

But the dif isn't much

[onyx sage]

8% dttooc. now i disappear again

[tawdry flare]

Lol watching through binoculars

[slate wedge]

use foxes, you easily get the chc

because
10% watch
31% ouro
6% coyotes
6% chc mod

already at 53% without even using the coyote buff

[blissful rampart]

ouro uses short range coyotes buff fyi (smg)

[slate wedge]

if you are in the incursion you will most likely have someone that can proc the mid range buff

[upper patrol]

will grind for it

[round zinc]

i tried the tactical .308(the high end sniper) and honestly

for mobbing it is way better than white death

at least in solo,because the lower damage still guarantees an elite 1 shot to the head and knocks all the white bars from a named target

for boss damage and all white death is better but the additional handling,reload speed and rof is honestly kinda underrated

like its both a numbers thing that the HE tac .308 has better handling than white death and better feel to it

[bronze hound]

This is what I used for OB

[round zinc]

dawg that is just off meta striker

[bronze hound]

30 mil burst

[bronze hound]

Ratio

[round zinc]

is maintaining 200 stacks a viable thing?

[bronze hound]

With OB? yes

[round zinc]

like you can get 100+ sure but what about 200

[bronze hound]

I use it for raid/incursion/cd

No reason to use it for other content

[bronze hound]

mhm

[upper patrol]

Why not the exotic mask?

[bronze hound]

pure waste going over the chc cap

also i just said what i use it in lol

99% chance someone else is proccing it

[round zinc]

more chd tho

forge virtually does nothing

you can just use 1 blue because ouroboros's dps is so big its not gonna matter

[blissful rampart]

Fun fact, you can run 6 blues Ora strikers and still out dps 6 red famas striker

[round zinc]

does any of the vector with talents even compare?

[vestal ibex]

This isn't a fun fact, it's absurd.

[round zinc]

like ouro is insane but most smgs have always edged out ARs in terms of dps

[tawdry flare]

This is what is called a broken weapon

[round zinc]

and the fact that they just have massive built in chc so you can go all in on chd

[urban latch]

Edged out, yes. Completely wiped the floor, no

[round zinc]

even with talents?

[urban latch]

It's not even close

[slate wedge]

don't use forge bro

[slate wedge]

no way

[round zinc]

someone once told me that reload speed increase can be treated as a dps increase.
so shouldn't in theory,an unwavering smg have higher dps than ouro if the dps window here is 5 seconds?

[urban latch]

It's just not close lol

[slate wedge]

yes, but only with one of the status effect amp talents

[blissful rampart]

Vector 45 has base dps of 808,600 vs Ora has base of 1m. not even comes close.

[round zinc]

what about talents?

[blissful rampart]

reload speed increases sustain dps but not burst

[tawdry flare]

I guess ar's advantage is range and accuracy that's about it

I guess at 30m ar wins

[round zinc]

wait isn't the average smg effective range like 20?

[slate wedge]

ouroboros has 23.75% more burst dps than a standard vector

[tawdry flare]

Ouro is 15

[vestal ibex]

most are like 15-18

[round zinc]

wdym ARs only beat it at 30

[tawdry flare]

Highest is mpx with 22

[blissful rampart]

strained is roughly 7% dps increase (on vector) so would be ~865 vector 45 vs 1mil Ora still.

[round zinc]

what about flatline?

15% amp,thats pretty huge

[blissful rampart]

thats 15% instead of 7 %

[round zinc]

oh

[blissful rampart]

vector flatline 930 vs 1mil Ora

[round zinc]

fast hands?

for sustained of course since its not for burst

[tawdry flare]

Sustained not burst

[blissful rampart]

fast hands doesnt increase burst so just 809

also Ora has a bigger mag size then normal vectors so doesnt have the mag dump struggle normal vectors have

[tawdry flare]

Even than I don't think vector wins in sustained

[bronze hound]

60% is not "edges out" is the problem xD

[urban latch]

For perspective, ouroboros sustain damage would be just slightly behind the burst damage of the FAMAS and ahead of all other ARs

[tawdry flare]

Ouro has high mag low reload and high burst

[blissful rampart]

also if you go flatline vector, Ora can still go firewall for striker shield 😛 while normal vector cant cause of tech laser

[slate wedge]

only things that beat it are eyeless, sadist, ignited and thunderstrike

[bronze hound]

what made them think to release this gun 🤦‍♀️

[tawdry flare]

Bruh you made the gun

[bronze hound]

i did NOT

[round zinc]

jokes on you

puts down radar scanner

[bronze hound]

i would never make something this broken

[slate wedge]

it clearly says "Not a Dev" smh

[blissful rampart]

they dont even beat Ora lol (closer though)

[slate wedge]

wait what?

[bronze hound]

nothing beats OB

[slate wedge]

1485:1200=1.2375

[tawdry flare]

I beat you to incursion

[bronze hound]

meh second place is good enough

[slate wedge]

if you don't consider the 10% chc and 10% chd mods

[tawdry flare]

@blissful rampart what about Scorpio does it edges out ouro?

[slate wedge]

you know what i will run

ouroboros with an unwavering vector and an unwavering 93r

[round zinc]

shotgun dps is COMPARABLE lmfao

it shouldn't be COMPARABLE

[bronze hound]

lmao

[blissful rampart]

lol

[slate wedge]

it has higher dps than scorpio

f me

[blissful rampart]

Vector 45 with say sadist is 970 dps vs Ora is still 1mil.

[urban latch]

Shotgun DPS is comparable when you assume your close enough that all pellets will land lol

[slate wedge]

fr? how

[blissful rampart]

cause math lol

[onyx sage]

math

oh no jinx

[blissful rampart]

the only 3 shottys that beat Ora dps is SASG-12, Super 90 and double barrel fyi

[slate wedge]

i am dumb i calculated with 25% amped dmg

[bronze hound]

i hope to god they nerf it in 19.1

[blissful rampart]

@urban latch i see you in my spreadsheet 😛

[bronze hound]

lol

raucey has a dedicated pc with just the spreadsheet on it

wait should i do that lmao

[slate wedge]

vector .45 with thunderstrike only has 1.050.000 dps

only the tac vector beats the ouroboros with sadist

[urban latch]

I updated my guides this weekend btw

[onyx sage]

pog

[tawdry flare]

No one is joining 69 incursion

[blissful rampart]

nice!!

[tawdry flare]

Should check #lfg-td2incursion-pc left my mark

[blissful rampart]

in pure burst dps but tact vector sadly sucks worse mag dump 😭

[onyx sage]

throwing the vector at the enemy does more damage than reloading

be smart

[tawdry flare]

For sadist you are stuck with Ridgeway on striker

[tawdry flare]

Throwing binoculars does even more

[onyx sage]

🚮

[tawdry flare]

New Name Incoming 👀

[onyx sage]

nah i'll pass, i'm madge i don't have to do tidal solo

[tawdry flare]

Lol invite me when you want to do duo

[woeful swift]

BLESS UP

the mission

[onyx sage]

congrats

[woeful swift]

the nightmares

they're finally over

[onyx sage]

sure, it won't be a while though

[tawdry flare]

Ok

[bronze hound]

i dont even use ceska chest lol

[tawdry flare]

Guess 4pcs striker coyote and foxes with 59/166 is the most op ouro build

[blissful rampart]

trash, the rolls werent even god rolled 😛

[woeful swift]

DELETED

gone from inventory

[tawdry flare]

Wtf bro that was a good pcs azure was kidding

[woeful swift]

i know lmfao

[hexed steppe]

lootcifer likes those types of sacrifices😈

[woeful swift]

praise be to rngesus

[hexed steppe]

thats why you never get the good stuff, JS 🤔

[woeful swift]

because i pray to the wrong looter shooter god

[onyx sage]

pray to binoculars

[woeful swift]

my lord and savior

[onyx sage]

and you will deal 60% more damage

[hexed steppe]

but, but, oro cant has the binocs 😅

[onyx sage]

oro hates binoculars so i hate it

[tawdry flare]

offer only available with 8X Scope Terms and conditions apply

[blissful rampart]

iirc Oro can still beat famas + P.focus (just needs any dps chest talent on Oro) lol

[tawdry flare]

Mhh what about perfect outsider with focus?

[blissful rampart]

probably still beats it lol

[tawdry flare]

Lmao guess regulus M870 are the only option to beat it

[blissful rampart]

technically those doent beat Ora in burst lol but they arent used for burst (used for alpha damage instead)

[vestal ibex]

Yeah HH reg m870 doesn't work if you can't one shot.

[tawdry flare]

That too

Guess oro has only one weakness range

[vestal ibex]

Yeah there is plenty of speed running content that needs a burst damage to kill a boss for like EP speed and I'm wondering if ouro is going to be used to take back tidal basin speeds vs determined HH, just not sure if it could.

[tawdry flare]

Idts tbh cause some part hh is just way faster

And focus has uses like being able to burst bosses out of heli

At range

[vestal ibex]

It's just a use it in conjunction with all this stuff.

[tawdry flare]

I guess at final room

[vestal ibex]

I just feel like with that weapon you can make some parts faster so new records might be coming soon.

[slate wedge]

range fights ar ekinda obsolete tho

[tawdry flare]

No?

[onyx sage]

i can still fight narnia with famas

[vestal ibex]

It also sucks because this thing will probably see a nerf of some kind so people who are early on the uptake might get times using strats that wont work so well with less damage.

[slate wedge]

what do you count as a range fight?

[onyx sage]

zoo savannah

= narnia to me

[tawdry flare]

tidal 2nd room

Manning and tidal is full of rooms where range is the only option

Also Roosevelt maruders

GL with ouro with them

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but I'm just suggesting it for 40% of some of these runs where that could save you several seconds or open up new strats cause you've got enough damage to do even more risky dumb stuff.

[onyx sage]

i love damage, it opens up new solo strats for me

[vestal ibex]

Exactly. So we might see some cool things happen while it's a full damage and then after a nerf it'll be impossible to do a similar run.

[tawdry flare]

Will see when we will see

[onyx sage]

yeah, living on the edge makes me come up with the best strats

[cyan drift]

my go to call for backup build

[urban latch]

Good enough for story mode

[autumn yacht]

yall see any issues with this hazpro build

[urban latch]

No ouroboros

[cyan drift]

good enough for heroic 3 directives

sorry "good enough for *being suddently dropped into heroic 3 directives"

[dreamy valve]

The tip of the spear changes made my build even more playable!

[tawdry flare]

Tots is pretty dead in the water

Give it 50% TWD and than we are talking

[cyan drift]

tots is virtually the same depending on how you use it, which 90% of the time was as a sniper build

but for some reason people think it's dead as a DPS build when it never was one

[glossy scarab]

Yeah it never was good for anything else but an MMR build

[dreamy valve]

Dps went down, but sustained ammo gain for my special weapon went up. So it’s now relegated to situations were encounters with regular mobs from elite and down are highly present to take advantage of the chest piece talent.

Much less effective if you swap the chest to Tardigrade now though as you need both chest and backpack slots for the full Tots potential

I’ve always used it for the Flamethrower, never the sniper one

[tawdry flare]

The only good spec weapons are survivalist bow and tac 50

[dreamy valve]

For heavies, for sure

[round zinc]

so someone fill me in on this

why use tots now over like,hotshot for sniper builds

where tots is usable

and also firewall for GE but thats a different thing

[urban latch]

Demo launcher and the flamethrower are solid as well, but you obviously can't use them like main weapons

[magic pilot]

I wouldn't lol

[tawdry flare]

Tac50 ammo to jumpstart your hh and Ted was the main point for tots sniper

[magic pilot]

I use 321

[tawdry flare]

That is the problem lol tac50 is busted as a sniper except for the named enemies nerf

Few shots and you can kill 2-3 in a shot

You are already at Max hh cap

For most weapons

If you swap

Also the 20% twd was nice

Now grenade launcher spam is difficult

Cause of the ammo consumption on higher difficulty

Flamethrower outside of ge and eclipse no real use

Spec weapons are just utility

[round zinc]

who at massive thought that a HGL should be weak,genuinely

[dreamy valve]

I tested on cp4 using mostly the flamer, and it felt more fun while still being effective because I was getting constant ammo refills from the kills. The named elites took two short bursts instead of one to kill. CC+Dot damage combined with Scorpio amp was still effective.

All of this happened using 6 blue cores on my loadout

[cyan drift]

then you've been missing out

[vestal ibex]

Missed out really, with the damage nerf it's probably still usable but not nearly as good.

[dreamy valve]

I don’t play sniper builds at all

[vestal ibex]

Meh, hotshot is better imo.

[sullen sun]

My hotshot build is may main

Fucking fantastic

One hitting everything, buy some Kontrol Freaks. There great

[round zinc]

i use 3 piece hotshot does that count as a hotshot build

[dreamy valve]

Headhunter with shotgun is fun though, so I guess that’s the closest to me using a sniper build

[sullen sun]

Ehhh lol

No

Can someone share their system corruption build? I can’t find it in the pinned

[vestal ibex]

Some only use two parts. It doesn't really matter most of the time. Typically you wont hit a new class of enemy shifting parts around and it might impact your top damage but it's all over their health anyway.

[sullen sun]

Most importantly don’t miss

Aim for the head

[dreamy valve]

I have more fun being a sniper in the Sniper Elite games but not Division 2

[sullen sun]

I love it in every game especially the new MW3 beta

[dreamy valve]

Cause enemies don’t survive after the first headshot, and you don’t need to build up a damage buff for it

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well in most sniping games you can shoot further than 100m and you don't have to maintain buffs just click a head.

[sullen sun]

Yeah but it’s only one kill

[vestal ibex]

Also bullet drop and leading is pretty fun in games like Arma. You hit someone on the run at like 800m feelsgoodman.

[dreamy valve]

Also the enemy animations in Division 2 is too erratic for me as a controller user

[hollow pasture]

They'll just duck their head randomly yea thanks man

[sullen sun]

It’s annoying but it’s chess

I love it, got to have some challenge

[round zinc]

determined moment

[sullen sun]

System corruption worth using? How do you get the data cores?

[bronze hound]

no and you get it from deconstructing system corruption items

[hollow pasture]

Trying to eek out more damage out of my strikers st elmos build and was wondering if taking off coyotes (since so many people run it would be a good idea)

[blissful rampart]

you want the coyotes buff and if several people in group already have it, then yes you can replace it with Ceska or even dodge city holster (both are great choices)

also if you want even more dps, then swap off elmo for a famas (higher dps)

[hollow pasture]

Yea I know about the famas was just trying to see how much more damage I could get with st elmos
The idea of running DCH has become much more enticing recently, I might do that

[hazy valve]

Is the big horn any good?

[blissful rampart]

its very meh

also DCH is very strong even on crit builds. getting a pocket nuke is very great to have.

[hollow pasture]

Bighorn strikers you can get 1.4-1.5 mil crit hs I've noticed
There's better guns for strikers but like it's definitely usable

[vestal ibex]

I mean you can get 1.2 mil crits with famas striker solo with chest and coyotes on the head and go bbrrrrrrrr at the same time.

[hazy valve]

That's with the 400 extra damage? Lol

450*

[round zinc]

its just that bighorn has 0 chc and it kicks like a mule with its balls wrapped in duct tape

honestly feels like a div1 gun for how much it kicks

[hollow pasture]

Yea Ik that's why I said there's better guns for strikers but if you want a way to run bighorn that's the best way

[round zinc]

unwavering vector

st elmo who?

[blissful rampart]

ignore bullet damage, go by burst dps for crit builds

[solar venture]

I know the difference is probably not even worth arguing over but what item gives a Regulus 4p Striker DCH more damage, Punch Drunk, or Fox's prayer?

[round zinc]

neither in this case

use a ceska with obliterate

[solar venture]

its all HSD

its an achilles build

[round zinc]

probably foxes

[vestal ibex]

Yeah pretty sure it's foxes but idk DH does give 20% pistol damage. Easiest to just test it out tho.

[slate wedge]

UNWAVERING🫡

[solar venture]

without achilles and just fully charged Striker and DCH Punch Drunk Provided 33M HSD, Fox's provided 35M HSD

[surreal depot]

@solar venture punch drunk

[solar venture]

I agree with you're name, also from my tests seems Fox's is bringing more dmg, unless base dmg interacts wierd with Achilles

[surreal depot]

It is more of the HSD

[solar venture]

which is an additive bonus, same with base damage, DTTOC is a multiplicative damage bonus

Base damage only really matters when you have low weapon damage, like most PvP builds that go 4-6 blue cores

[blissful rampart]

both are multiplicative

[upper patrol]

Is there a more tanky build for countdown? Or maybe a support one? I notice some dificulty when trying to leave for the heli in heroic :\

[surreal depot]

Are you asking or telling me

[blissful rampart]

both are additive self bonus and then multiplicative with all other stats (weapon damage and dtooc)

[surreal depot]

And for Achilles it is DMG * (1+HSD+CHD) * (1+HSD)

[solar venture]

honestly I'm mostly basing it on my testing in the range, which can be sketchy at times

putting both builds into Mxswat's build crafter Punch drunk should do more damage

[surreal depot]

Because HSD pretty much multiplies twice if you hit a head mark or use dodge city with it you cannot really compare it with no achilles

[sullen sun]

Not even in the DZ?

[bronze hound]

You get the items from dz

[sullen sun]

Can I use it on my Hotshot build?

[bronze hound]

Not the mats

[sullen sun]

No I mean it’s not worth using in the DZ?

[bronze hound]

No

[surreal depot]

Use what

[sullen sun]

Dodge city

[blissful rampart]

iirc dodge city in pvp only boosts damage by like 10% or something super low

[sullen sun]

I’m using the Raucey build except with Fox prayer

[solar venture]

alright with Achilles and charged DCH w/ Foxes and got 128M

Achilles, charged DCH w/ Punch Drunk 132M

[surreal depot]

Yes

[magic pilot]

10%

[urban latch]

When your talking about a DCH + Achilles shot your applying hsd^2, so basically whatever gets you the higher hsd will win out

[solar venture]

was using Punch drunk originally, saw someone doing Incursion speed runs w/ Fox's and had second guesses

[sullen sun]

So dodge city and foxes Prayer?

[urban latch]

if all you care about is the shot on the achilles mark, then punch drunk wins out

[sullen sun]

Also do you have a go to PvP sniper build?

[urban latch]

basically this, but im on my pve character atm, so the weapon talents would be different

oh and no DCH

2nd piece of hapsburg instead

[hollow pasture]

So is striker chest optimal for lovebirds?

[urban latch]

as long as you build up stacks before the boss burn. Imo the chest is worth it from tanker forward

[hollow pasture]

I see
I'll slot it in then

[vestal ibex]

Which is better famas fast hands for love birds or ACS with a talent or RNR?

Basically what weapon is your highest DPS until you get ouro.

[magic pilot]

Nah just one shot them

[magic pilot]

Famas fast hands or Oreo

[sullen sun]

So no determined?

[hollow pasture]

Me explaining to the randoms I play with how to one-shot them and all the things you need for it

[vestal ibex]

I could have sworn ACS was higher than famas given you can shoot them point blank without much care in the world.

[hollow pasture]

That will go very well

[magic pilot]

Yea I wouldn't do it with randoms lol

[magic pilot]

Burst dps yes but sustained dps no

[vestal ibex]

Even with fast hands on it?

[magic pilot]

Idk if acs will reach max fast hands stacks tbh

20 rounds at 60% chc

[vestal ibex]

I think most the time it's like 20 stacks.

[magic pilot]

12 crit stacks for acs

Fast hands doesn't count each pellet

[vestal ibex]

Well you almost always get a crit in each shot.

[magic pilot]

True

[vestal ibex]

I think in testing it was 18-20 stacks.

[magic pilot]

Big brain

[urban latch]

if you can point blank shoot them then acs, but if your any distance away then famas fast hands

[vestal ibex]

I'm also asking for the good of the community cause I do like to help out others.

[hollow pasture]

To use a pistol for DCH

Is D50 best in slot?
Cuz currently I'm running the orbit

[woeful swift]

it kind of just occurred to me that if i'm running coyote's mask, having nearly maxed chc is actually probably lowering my potential damage. is that about accurate

[hexed steppe]

If mainly at mid range then probably . You'll generally be above 50% anyways on crit build . You can swap out a chc for chd pretty easy

[fickle light]

theres a sweetspot where you are still getting decent gains from midbuff while also not losing too much, from 46 iirc to like 55 is where you wanna be (i'm going off the top of my head so if i'm wrong, feel free to give the correct numbers)

[woeful swift]

yeah when i get home from work i'm definitely gonna fix that, idk why it didn't click in my head earlier

[hexed steppe]

Personally I still push close to cap with coyote. But I'm also on a nego build and find myself in mid and close range buffs at times

[woeful swift]

yeah i guess realistically most of the enemies i'm hitting are fairly far, at least enough that i'll usually be getting at least the 10% chc buff

[hexed steppe]

Are you on elmo striker build

[woeful swift]

yes

[hexed steppe]

So yeah if running the ceska coyote combo the 2nd rolls on those pieces with elmo/brand/and maxed out watch will put you @52% and will give you ability to use all striker rolls and mods as chd

[woeful swift]

i don't have maxed out watch

[hexed steppe]

You will soon

[woeful swift]

i mean, i will in a few months probably lol

i've gotten to shd 65 in the last five days or so

but i'm also not busy at all rn

[fickle light]

tbh you want to level CHC first, it makes things a lot easier for a lot of builds

[hexed steppe]

Focus chc first . Can max it out by shd 200-250

[woeful swift]

_> ngl my damage ones are all over the place, i put a few into weapon damage like "hey this will always be helpful" and then switched to chd

[fickle light]

lol yeah you'd think, but getting a free 10% crit is great

[woeful swift]

right

i'll start leveling that instead then

[hexed steppe]

Yeah you're still early in it. Itll go quick

[woeful swift]

i'm also considering getting better heartbreaker gear and switching back to that, i got a pretty decent kingbreaker yesterday that i was thinking about trying with it

i just feel really squishy on striker

even with crusader shield

[fickle light]

you will feel squishy, but thats a skill thing

[woeful swift]

right, i was telling mae that yesterday or the day before. my ass is NOT good rn

[fickle light]

gotta figure out dodges, cover and cover to cover

[woeful swift]

swapping off unbreakable was rough

[fickle light]

it takes awhile

[woeful swift]

it's better now, i can get through countdowns without getting downed

at least usually

i just liked heartbreaker because the damage was okay and i was also super tanky

by my standards, at least. i felt super hard to kill

[fickle light]

just remember its a cover shooter, not a "run straight up to high threat enemies and eat lead like its going out of style"

[woeful swift]

right

[hexed steppe]

Yeah picking your battles and not going too far into an area will be a big help. You'll miss the damage now that you know what's possible on the higher end

[woeful swift]

my dodges are getting better, i've actually managed to dodge out of hunter aggro a few times yesterday and today

that is when i don't just get 1tapped from 25 meters, which happens

[hexed steppe]

Do you use gunner spec

[woeful swift]

yes

i only just got it "maxed", which is only 125/165 for me because i don't care about the spec weapon

[slate wedge]

meanehile the guy i did incursions with today thought he could facetank widow martinez with a shield and a full red striker build

[hexed steppe]

The banshee pulse is really good for preprepping an area you're about to hit

[fickle light]

also gotta remember about oneshot protection, 90% of the time you arent "getting oneshot"

[woeful swift]

a man after my own heart

[slate wedge]

OSP is weird

[woeful swift]

i was using banshee for a while and did like it, but i'm using reviver hive now

[slate wedge]

i mean i got the ouroboros in that run so i can't complain really

[woeful swift]

it's because of him

you're welcome

[woeful swift]

i might switch back to it, i put rev hive on because it's actually really nice to have but honestly for what i'm doing, if i'm getting downed, chances are it's partially because my skills are getting blocked anyway

[hexed steppe]

Could keep the revive and ditch the shield 🤷‍♂️

[woeful swift]

i like the shield a lot more tho

that thing actually feels super clutch

especially now that i'm remembering to drop it before it breaks

[hexed steppe]

Yeah I hear ya.
Personally havent used it in years at this point

Only really used it on HF, but always felt it was slowing me down

[woeful swift]

i thought i would hate the slow but realistically my playstyle has never been super fast

and if i need to sprint i can remember to drop it again now

i might switch back to banshee and try to remember to start charging it before getting into hunter range

[hollow pasture]

You'll get the hang of dropping and popping up the shield when needed

[woeful swift]

for sure

yeah i guess i'll stay on striker, the damage is no joke. i'm more than doubling my heartbreaker damage in countdowns. 1.03 bil in one i did last night

[bronze hound]

It's a good to have for harder content

[cyan drift]

time to continue this playthrough I guess

also level 24, you know what that means, FEB

[tulip charm]

bruh

[woeful swift]

meta

[hexed steppe]

i never need it in heroic missions, or legendary summit... i do a lot of random mm. every once in a while i will throw a revive hive on, but with cool skills this and last season its not practical to leave on so its either healing skills or damage skills. i just find other stuff more useful like gunner/jammer pulse

[bronze hound]

Legendary summit doesn't count

[bronze hound]

Just run shield and banshee then? Lol

[hexed steppe]

i dont prefer shield... plain and simple. its kindof a crutch if im being honest

[bronze hound]

What do you run as two skills

[hexed steppe]

just depends where im at. banshee/mender/fixer/jammer are my mains i guess. foam/traps for rogues if i have a chance to change

[livid horizon]

Let's you go super aggressive tho

[hexed steppe]

also lets you go super dead when you get blls deep and surrounded 🍻
if i was gonna go aggressive i would go HF and get that disorient

[flint wave]

Mender mine over shield lol

[livid horizon]

Sounds like you'd be good at hard core...

[hexed steppe]

maybe, i try not to die... but it does happen regardless. other games ive played in the past are hardcore by default like dayz/arma 3 mods /survival stuff in general

[livid horizon]

Since I got ouroborus Ive been running strikers with coyotes and grupo gloves. Up in peeps faces doing sill amounts of damage. That thing with full striker stacks is so strong.

[hexed steppe]

yeah its way ahead in every department. i imagine itll get tuned a bit eventually

[livid horizon]

Yea I used to love DAYZ. nothing else like it.

[hexed steppe]

yeah start with nothing, wipe for any reason repeat. its good stuff

[livid horizon]

I tried ouroborus with HF, but strikers was actually more fun for me

[hexed steppe]

yeah strikers is all damage, hf kinda more relegated to the regulus builds now

[livid horizon]

Scorpio with HF is still nice

But if you don't mind getting close with strikers then I recommend trying it.

Not for legendary strongholds tho.

Although with a good team it might work

Strikers seems to go perfectly well with ouroborus since you get more rpm and weapon handling for even faster reload. It's like a permanent golden bullet

[cyan drift]

I forgot melee chona AI is monumentally stupid compared to others

if a turret is somewhere they can't reach, and they're aggro'd to it, they'll just stare at it and stand in place

so the bloodhound took 0 effort from me

[woeful swift]

okay after doing a little min-maxing on my armor, my striker build is sitting at 42% chc and 148% chd

and that's' before fully optimizing my coyote's which will give me that 150% chd

or just a better chd mod, that'll do it too

[ionic frost]

Is the backfire good?

[fickle light]

No

[ionic frost]

Ok

[vestal ibex]

Just try it out in the shooting range to see what aspect is talking about.

[ionic frost]

Ok

[flint wave]

Famous last words

[slate wedge]

no maintenance today?

[delicate laurel]

not that we know of

[tawdry flare]

5.11 Meta

[hazy steeple]

😦

[fickle light]

hey, its not good. i like it personally, but this is build advice- a weapon that either requires a full build to not kill the user or sick parkour skills is not one worth running unless you really like it

me loving backfire =/= backfire good

[hazy steeple]

I'd disagree in that requiring a specific build stops it from being good, but it certainly is niche.

[livid horizon]

I got the new ouroborus as well as a backfire on my first completion of the incursion. I'm sure the game is trolling me.

[tawdry flare]

Cause you ran with me

Also Incursion key is bugged

[thin patrol]

@tawdry flare

[tawdry flare]

Real meta

[astral kraken]

is ouroborus drop incursion only?

[tawdry flare]

Yup

[thin patrol]

Yes

[astral kraken]

damn. ok thx

[hexed steppe]

Well in backfires case it's not really a good tradeoff.

You have to run hazpro over crit for it to even be viable.
And sure it does give you crit back, but you have to magdump 4 mags to see full potential. you end up with a really long ramp on damage that resets... any other smg you would build regular and have all that crit on the first shot to the last shot.

[sullen sun]

@urban latch this what you meant earlier?

[urban latch]

That's more of a pve setup

[sullen sun]

Right I just meant with the Dodge city holster

[vestal ibex]

Put a nem on and it's pretty much ready for HH morazova.

[sullen sun]

Morazova?

[vestal ibex]

4th boss in the IH raid. It's a role used for skipping part of the fight.

[urban latch]

It's also just generally useful to take out the chungas quickly even in lfgs

[tawdry flare]

Chunga one shot spot near neck?

[vestal ibex]

Naw you just pop their helm off and shoot them in the face.

[hazy steeple]

I like how everytime I mention backfire people just immediately start piling on like it mugged them in a past life.

[vestal ibex]

Well most muggings don't leave you bleeding to death...

[bronze hound]

so how is burst damage actually calculated in comparison to sustained because apparently i had it wrong

[hazy steeple]

I like how you used the worst possible analogy there lol.

[quasi geyser]

does anyone have a build for the Ironlung Exotic?

[tawdry flare]

Mag*DMG per shot/60

Also have to calculate DMG from formula

[bronze hound]

@urban latch this man right here

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch

Which is base DMG * wd * twd * amp1 * amp 2 * (Chd+hsd)*ampx ...

[bronze hound]

so we are ignoring chc entirely?

[tawdry flare]

We take into account during shooting 60% of bullet crit if you have 60%

[onyx sage]

for average you do 1 + chc x chd + hsd for that multiplier specifically

[tawdry flare]

According to that we add normal and crit iirc

[bronze hound]

i was literally told to account chc in burst damage

[tawdry flare]

She need burst

[onyx sage]

yes, which does need chc

you can't calc burst average without chc

[tawdry flare]

For every dps calculation you need to just average out with the crit and non crit shot

[onyx sage]

yes, which is done by 1 + chc x chd

you have to tell exactly why and how you do it without just saying you need to

[bronze hound]

17,181 to 25,489 when swapping from famas to OB

@urban latch thats my number

(averages not exacts since i dont have exact values)

[tawdry flare]

Forgot the formula lol

[onyx sage]

ikia's guide

[tawdry flare]

Need to bookmark it

[urban latch]

Basic idea is your average shot x round per second. So:
(Crit shot x CHC) + (Non Crit Shot x (1-CHC)) x (RPM/60)

This assumes the type of target is consistent, so either all headshot damage or body shots, all damage to health or damage to armor, etc. You can add in those multipliers if you want as well, but generally I just assume bodyshots on armor.

[blissful rampart]

also Burst damage is damage without reloading. while sustain damage considers reload.

[bronze hound]

ok

[tawdry flare]

Waiting for numbers👀

[bronze hound]

i already sent them ya fart

[bronze hound]

lmao

famas expertise 23 ob expertise like 2 or some shit

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch @bronze hound Sleigher is still the meta weapon

[urban latch]

What are you hitting for a crit and a non crit on bodyshots?

[tawdry flare]

we should have asshot multiplier

[bronze hound]

1 and 0.8

thats just what i remember my mem could be off

[tawdry flare]

Mhh mhh must be a bigger difference

[urban latch]

800k body shots and 1m crits? That doesn't sound right

[bronze hound]

ill need to double check

[onyx sage]

25% crit damage is more than a small inaccuracy...

[elder delta]

For 4 piece striker (w/ backpack chest) and coyote, what’s the best last piece? I just have a well rolled ceska holster for the crit chance. I’m like 250 SHD using Elmo’s with DTOC on it.

I’m curious where 1000+ SHD people have their crit chance at, I think I’m around 52 crit chance, I’m kinda factoring in coyote in groups giving 10% a lot

[bronze hound]

shd watch is 10%

[onyx sage]

at 250 shd you're probably already getting 10% chc if you put all your red watch points into it

[bronze hound]

if*

[elder delta]

Nah I scuffed that section. Any way to reset thay

[bronze hound]

no

[onyx sage]

no but it's not the end of the world

[bronze hound]

yet*

[elder delta]

Yeah I put 25 into weapon damage then muffed around with other sections, focusing crit chance now

[urban latch]

You've got the right idea. Ceska is your best option for the last piece unless your able to have CHD everywhere you can on your gear and still be reaching the chc cap.

[elder delta]

I was curious if people leave themselves below 60 to factor in the prevalence of coyote

Because even with coyote it’s hard capped at 60 right

[urban latch]

Once you can have CHD everywhere on gear then you can swap to a grupo/fenris/soklov piece

[slate wedge]

depends on the weapon but usually they do, also if there are 2 or more people with a coyotes in the group chances are good that one will proc the mid buff

[urban latch]

Most people assume they will have the mid buff the majority of the time and set themselves up to be roughly +50 chc

[latent nova]

@long marlin please send ur OB build

[elder delta]

That’s what my thinking was

[long marlin]

@latent nova thats the gear and stats

[blissful rampart]

also great last piece for strikers is always DCH as well. (even for crit build). DCH is just always strong, having a pocket nuke 🤤

[long marlin]

^

[latent nova]

thanks

[long marlin]

with my dch setup im getting like 150 mil for nothing

[tawdry flare]

In solo Coyote will be better than Groupo holster

[long marlin]

yeah in solo i can swap easily

this is just i load into incursion shit out absurd damage

[main dock]

Hello guys

[latent nova]

@long marlin finally after 40+ times crafting I got the dmg to out of covers

[main dock]

anyone have a good tank build build?

[long marlin]

also normally run gunner

got demolitionist for flawless

[flint wave]

Simplest setup is 4pc foundry with tardigrade and Belstone bag. variations exist in pinned spreadsheet

[vestal ibex]

What are you trying to tank?

[main dock]

Don't know 😅 actually

[main dock]

I just want to have

[bronze hound]

3 improv with pointman, belstone backpack with ad rush, and catharsis

everything rolled with hazpro and explosive resist

[vestal ibex]

Well the iron horse raid is the most useful place for a tank build and there are 3 versions that are useful there and are pretty detailed out in the spread sheet, stagger tank, key tank, and a haz pro tank. You honestly don't see much use anywhere else in the game.

[bronze hound]

i run it in legendary when my group cant survive

which is exclusively manning and tb

[vestal ibex]

skill issue

[bronze hound]

for them not me lol

[vestal ibex]

lol

[flint wave]

healer or tank

[bronze hound]

wdym

[flint wave]

when team has enough damage people

[vestal ibex]

The last time I got roped into a rando lego tidal they wanted me to skill toss but I don't have any turret/drone skill builds.

[flint wave]

which one helps the most

[tawdry flare]

Last time I did tidal was with eevee

[bronze hound]

i dont remember this

[tawdry flare]

Wanted to hh the spawn

After climbing up and jumping down

[bronze hound]

oh yeah you do remember that

[vestal ibex]

depends. CC is default but if you run out of armor kits go down too much run a healer too.

[bronze hound]

i didnt hh i was told to swap to cc

and then we were all told to bomb rush the spawns

shittiest shit that ever shat

[bronze hound]

literally not true

[tawdry flare]

Yeah and we made it through after few exploitation

[tawdry flare]

I told you to hh meow was cc

And also I had invisible npcs

[bronze hound]

cope

[slate wedge]

firewall

[hollow pasture]

13k shd btw
Asked for 3 dps 1 healer and refused to switch to anything

[woeful swift]

what a unit

what exotic even is that

[hollow pasture]

It's last seasons exotic
Shocker punch

[woeful swift]

okay reading it on the spreadsheet it sounds absolutely atrocious

[tawdry flare]

Bruh it is one of the broken exotics

[woeful swift]

are you serious

[tawdry flare]

Yeah Scorpio is a very good weapon

No kidding

[magic pilot]

Flawless run and Oreo

[tawdry flare]

Nice

[woeful swift]

no, not scorpio. shocker punch

[tawdry flare]

It's trash for 99.99% of content

[woeful swift]

yeah that's what i'm saying. it seems atrocious

[hollow pasture]

Think he was talking about shocker punch lol

[woeful swift]

i know scorpio's good. only exotic besides death edict or whatever it's called that i have the full god roll of

[woeful swift]

?

[hollow pasture]

Curse you and ur luck

[magic pilot]

I've ran over 20 clears and opened crate 5 times lmao

[blissful rampart]

pfft not a sub 8 run, time to start again 😛 heheh jk jk

[magic pilot]

@blissful rampart

[blissful rampart]

welllll NM

also lol that speed still with ~23 deaths lulz

[magic pilot]

Totally legit @blissful rampart

Nah my fastest was sub 19 tho

[blissful rampart]

also.. triple survival hmmm interesting 🤔

wait... not 6min !? lol nice bug then

[magic pilot]

No it happens if you DC and join back

6 min would be world record

[blissful rampart]

i know thats why i was shocked hahah

[magic pilot]

3 survivalist was for sledgehammers

[blissful rampart]

then saw deaths and was like "hol up..... something doesnt add up lol"

[magic pilot]

Here it is lol

[blissful rampart]

hahah i was wondering why the same

[magic pilot]

Can't see the time in them lol

[blissful rampart]

shows top left

[magic pilot]

Oh nah I mean when I'm sending them lol

[blissful rampart]

oh

[urban latch]

I can beat that

[bronze hound]

how did that even happen

[magic pilot]

Leave and come back

[blissful rampart]

also. Raucey gets carried, confirmed!!!!

[bronze hound]

ah

[urban latch]

Crashed right at the end and came back seconds before they completed it

[bronze hound]

lol

[vestal ibex]

hax

Did you see the solo grey video?? I mean come on.

[bronze hound]

solo grey is possible lol

[vestal ibex]

Yeah just one shot him. Boom right to the floor.

[sterile scarab]

With what regulus?

[vestal ibex]

Naw it's a bit of a special setup and process but do able solo.

[sterile scarab]

I can't wait for someone to solo paradise lost. IH I think isnt possible

[vestal ibex]

Ehhh.... Fire boss you could damage phase solo but I don't think you'd be able to wear a build that could kill ads and the boss and survive.

[tough linden]

What should i replace for healer build, or should look for another piece?

[rich cosmos]

Countdown really decided to let rng go for a moment

[vestal ibex]

You could run tech and I'd swap explosive to repair/haste and use it but I'd get another if you can. Super easy to farm in countdown.

[urban latch]

Duo is the closest we will see for both
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLs3RRcj-0J4j3dgNlz06pfwYbY6332BcY&si=PSl2NIPU3l78-Bm5

[magic pilot]

Not worth keeping with no yellow core

[cyan drift]

It's that time of the week again

[urban latch]

I love this vendetta of yours lol

[cyan drift]

I want to tortilla slap her and then walk away

[vestal ibex]

I don't know why you even check it.

[vestal ibex]

I think tech healer is better for lego.

[cyan drift]

for that one week it isn't an MMR

[vestal ibex]

Also raid.

[cyan drift]

that magical day once every two months

[tough linden]

what does tech mean?

[vestal ibex]

The specialization technician gives you +1 skill tier so you can run a blue core there.

[magic pilot]

Eh

Survivalist grenades and more heal

Also medkit

[vestal ibex]

Emp grenades for wally and faraday for spec ammo directive.

Choices are awesome.

[blissful rampart]

Survivalist for healer far better IMHO purely for the easy sledgehammer combo as the healer.

[vestal ibex]

I do CC survivalist and have them sledge while healer does op and scorp. I'd personally like to faraday when a sniper dog goes off and I want the CC to be able to foam right away or if there are wallies the healer can just toss a grenade at them. It's all choice and none of them are bad.

[blissful rampart]

thats overkill (having 2 support builds) better to go 3 dps 1 support

[hazy valve]

Your overkill

[vestal ibex]

Yeah well my go to support is a CC so healer doesn't come in untill people run out of medkits.

So CC and 3 dps or if some players are new don't have perfect builds it's easier for me to solo dps and carry with two supports.

[onyx sage]

souless carry me in zoo

[vestal ibex]

No u

[onyx sage]

😔

[vestal ibex]

Zoo is a no carry zone. All the other legos nbd

[onyx sage]

why no one like zoo...

[hollow pasture]

More of a slog than tidal ngl

[onyx sage]

i know i'm just getting a kick out of it

don't mind me

[vestal ibex]

It's just certain areas they dig in so hard and have ALL the angles on you.

[hollow pasture]

Wish they made more stuff legendary
White oak legendary

Both Pentagon missions legendary

[onyx sage]

ngl i wanted more legendaries because at least i can try soloing them without being blocked by mechanics

[hollow pasture]

Liberty island legendary

[onyx sage]

that'd be pog ngl

[vestal ibex]

Yeah a NY lego would be nice.

[thin patrol]

And open world.

[vestal ibex]

The backup calls omg

[copper tusk]

Is there any reason to use the new named backpack over any other Unstoppable force bag?

[flint wave]

Can't play zoo if it won't let me switch off story difficulty 😭

[hazy steeple]

You probably need to re-run it. I had the same issue with White Oak.

remember to be the host.

[onyx sage]

lmao

[magic pilot]

Oreo is balanced

[bronze hound]

Just one shot them

[patent fossil]

Make sure you set it to story difficulty AFTER traveling to the site, otherwise it bugs and defaults to your world difficulty

Once you force it back to story mode from the location and complete it, you should have the other difficulties unlocked

[blissful rampart]

@sonic zephyr wrong channel, use the LFG one.

[rich cosmos]

2 piece Providence is 15% chc right?

[rich cosmos]

Can you recalibrate the attributes on older exotics like eagle barer or only the newer one

[fickle light]

only newer ones

[upper patrol]

is St. Elmo or Orob a good chice for an HB build?

Want to try to stack some armor for solo play

[woeful swift]

i've used elmo with heartbreaker a bit, it works fine imo

at least from my experience

[hexed steppe]

Not really. If you are using a pulse skill and hitting headshots consistently then it can work... but the main way of getting pulse is with tech class linked laser that pulses everything you aim at.
Unfortunately the laser wont fit on exotics because of locked mods.
This doesn't mean it wont work but stacking might be inconsistent.

[woeful swift]

it only needs one headshot to proc, tho, so it's not as bad as it would seem

if you can hit one headshot every five seconds it works just as well as linked laser

[urban latch]

Imo a HE gun with flatline is better for HB, but ouroboros is so OP the question "does ouroboros work for....." the answer is yes

[hazy valve]

Question: is the chest piece healing talent better than fi chest talent of raising the damage to 25%?

[onyx sage]

no

[magic pilot]

Empathetic is

But not worth giving up btsu for it

[rich cosmos]

Wdym?

[hexed steppe]

means bag and gloves are already highend and exo. rest needs to be fi

[magic pilot]

Bag should be some form of opportunistic

[hazy valve]

Empathetic is a chest talent no?

[upper patrol]

lmao go it

Another question, is there a build made for leveling up with lot's of directives?

[urban latch]

regulus HH, either the high end version or HF

[magic pilot]

Yes

[magic pilot]

^

[hazy valve]

O nvm I get it lol

[autumn moon]

Which is a good indicator of weapon damage?
1.trying the build at the range or
2.changing gear pieces and see my weapon damage increase or decrease from the loadout
Both ways will be using same weapons, backpack and chest .

[magic pilot]

Dps calculator

[autumn moon]

Never thought of using that,will give it a try

[blissful rampart]

The pinned dps calc, NOT the shooting range calc

[magic pilot]

Or ikias

[hoary atlas]

Is anyone got Ouroboros

[fickle light]

A lot of people have it.

[astral kraken]

Need a new build to farm for. Any new OP builds in the past 6-8 months? Don't need to be super specific, I can use mxswat to fill in the blanks.

[hazy steeple]

Div2 builds are actually very math heavy, so using whatever that is to "fill in blanks" isn't really the best idea.

As for builds right now, I mean you can't go too far past a Strikers for damage.
There's a full setup for it pinned 📌 in this channel > spreadsheet > builds.

[astral kraken]

More like if you give me the general idea I'll figure out how to min/max from there

[astral kraken]

I have a lot of builds from years of playing, looking for something new

And not necessarily meta, just strong. For fun

I havent kept up with all the new gear sets and such

I saw there's a fire turret one but not really interested in it

Since I already have an EP fire that I enjoy

Wondering if there are others is all

[hazy steeple]

As mentioned previously, the spreadsheet has a big list of them all, fully usable on Heroic at the low end.

Umbra is a relatively new one that has a "change of pace" playstyle.

[astral kraken]

yea i looked there. seems to be all the same builds from before

yea umbra was around when i played last

only thing ive done so far is added elmos to my striker build

which has been pretty cool

[hazy steeple]

New builds have definitely been added since Umbra was dropped in a Season, but the meta hasn't really changed all that much, relatively speaking.
the new Orobouros goes with most things now, you might as well try the Incursion, Descent has bp's for DZ locked named items now too, there's a lot that's been added in.

[astral kraken]

oooh ok thanks for that. i was wondering if there's a reason to run descent for loot. might give it a shot.

yea i saw some new stuff like cavalier, hotshot, and exuro. but looking at the stats for them i can't see making a build thats any better than what i have.

otoh im not that creative 😄

like hotshot... wtf is the point of giving a marksman build bonus armor

and refilling a mag. im never hurting for reloads when i snipe.

[analog mural]

wdym it kinda complements determined if you can consistently hit your targets, many people dont use the 4pc bonus either way but its an ok bonus imo, take it or leave it

[hazy steeple]

Hotshot is in a very annoying place for those of us that like neatness, because it is the one (and pretty much only apart from niche raid setups) Gearset that is suggested to run it at 3pc, not 4.

With that you can reach 100% stability, which means your sniper shots have 0 sway.

[astral kraken]

not bad i guess but i never liked those kinds of bonuses

since im giving up something to have them. whereas i could just aim better.

like with aces/mantis clicking heads is no problem at all

[hazy steeple]

With the damage bonuses, it's pretty much replaced Aces & Eights as the "go to" sniper. It hits very hard and lets you run brand bonuses. It's very good.

I still like Aces though, because I'm an old woman yelling at clouds.

[tawdry flare]

Well aces and eights was replaced with tots

[analog mural]

god i miss the old ace and eights when it was a busted sniper dps support gear set

[hazy steeple]

emphases on the "was".

[round zinc]

Honestly i would still use ace over current tota

[astral kraken]

ok actually, if there's a better aces build i might try it. i really like sniping and something new would be fun.

[analog mural]

i heard tots is shite

[round zinc]

For mobbing its just better

[analog mural]

in this update

[astral kraken]

im still running aces/mantis/chainkiller

[tawdry flare]

Yeah they messed it up

[round zinc]

For some dps min maxing dude bros idk

Tots sucks now unless you strictly only use spec weapons or something

[analog mural]

you should get a sniper, preferably white death with determined since that is still busted af although kinda cheesy

[round zinc]

Determined is just cheesy but it also highlights a really big problem in the game

Enemies just have so many bullshit

Also it spoiled me because i cant never use a normal sniper ever again if its not a tac 50

I really like covert srs and tactical .308 for mobbing

[analog mural]

well i suck at sniping but i love determined

[round zinc]

Like when you factor in 100% guaranteed headshot some snipers are just flat out better for mobbing

[analog mural]

that is until you get into incursion since everyone is stealing your kills so good luck proc-ing chainkiller and determined

my dumbass friend thinks his sniper build works in the gas tank encounter 🤦‍♀️

but either way hotshot with determined is a nice change of pace after one too many hours of just strikers and HF

[round zinc]

Incursion is just very anti sniper

For higher scaling content sniper is just hard to use

[analog mural]

yea at that point id just use strikers for consistent damage without having to rely on proccing any talents other than stacking up

[round zinc]

Is hsd striker build real

Like stack a lot of hsd,use dodge city holster

[urban latch]

its mainly for 1 shots on achilles marks

[tawdry flare]

You can use dch with regular strikers it hits for more than he depending upon stacks and where you shoot

[hollow bluff]

whats a good specialization to focus on for returning players?

[astral kraken]

technician is the most versatile b/c you can run it with dps builds (flatline + linked laser pointer) and obviously skill builds. it gives you a free skill tier which just makes your shield stronger passively.

[astral kraken]

after that i'd say gunner

[hollow bluff]

thank you

[dire flame]

I’m thinking of editing a Striker build with Ouro. I have four piece with Chest + Backpack and Coyotes on. Would i be better off with Foxs Prayers, Grupo, or a kneepad with SMG damage (whichever set that is)

[tawdry flare]

Foxes give slightly more than groupo and sokolova

[livid horizon]

Does it now?

[candid siren]

whats a good build to go for if i just came back to the game after like 3 years

[round zinc]

Thats just “i wanna use ouro”

Full blue striker ouro then

[candid siren]

currently using this probably super outdated

[round zinc]

Oh boy

For more chc/chd you can use a ceska and a grupo piece

Concussion is pretty ok

Bakers dozen is meh

Burnout is ok but a fast hand famas is probably better

[candid siren]

ill farm for a famas then thanks

should i just do summit?

[fickle light]

I'll note that it is never worth it to use 3pc of a gearset

[round zinc]

Almost* never since 3 piece hotshot is actually pretty good

[candid siren]

yea i saw people saying coyotes is good ill probably farm for that

[round zinc]

Thats decent.
For quick sessions you can just do countdown too

[candid siren]

i think i quit the season coyote was introduced so never got it

[candid siren]

i just dont wanna do mp stuff if my build is ass

[round zinc]

Coyote is pretty good but not like super good

[round zinc]

Thats fair

[tulip charm]

You can easily fix it

If you want to run nego get the backpack

and theres a build example of it in the spreadsheet in pinned comments

[hexed steppe]

3pc nego is very bad since you miss out on the crit damage transfer between targets. add nego bag and you'll be transferring 100% of the crits .
boomerang M1A classic or CQB over bakers
strained or fast hands famas/police m4/ carbine 7 , or add elmos
perfect glass isnt bad tho

[long marlin]

strained vs fast hands for famas on a strikers build what would you guys recommend

[flint wave]

Fast hands

[untold hearth]

Should I have vigilance or adrenaline rush for my backpack for PVP???

This is my current build I've grinded for the correct gears necessary for DZ PvP. Plz reply so I can get feedback.

[carmine halo]

I'm a returning player after like a year or 2... I currently have a striker build but I've been seeing more and more people run yellow gear and wondering if that's what I should aim for next? Or am I missing something? 🤔 thanks for the help, in advanced.

[astral kraken]

a proper striker build is still top tier but skill builds are strong too. look at the build spreadsheet (pinned) and it'll have a bunch of yellow builds with descriptions on when/how to use them

[slate wedge]

change bag to nego amd it is fine

[magic pilot]

Swap gloves to fenris

Try to get matador if you can

You are at a chc loss of 12% or 24% chd loss

[magic pilot]

New PB

[livid horizon]

Prodigy reflex needs to up their game

[urban latch]

Nug needs to up their game

[livid horizon]

lol first completion!

only done it once

[tawdry flare]

What is your time?👀

[livid horizon]

first completion nerds

[long marlin]

oreo be oreoing

[livid horizon]

need more chd

[long marlin]

yeah need to optimise a bit more and shade is missing

[livid horizon]

i ended up on 59chc 166 chd

but I've heard Foxs give more dmg than grupo - but not tested yet

[long marlin]

ive been told contractors are possibly better

[livid horizon]

mmmm

[long marlin]

thats with coyotes and grupo

[blissful rampart]

When picking between contractors or fox, contractors is slightly more vs armor (because no extra DTA on gun) BUT dtooc works vs everything so edges out and wins, even with dtooc on gun.

[livid horizon]

but does it beat Grupo?

(OB Strikers - is Grupo, Fox's or Contractors better??? with Coyotes)

[blissful rampart]

have to do the math cause loss of chc

[bronze hound]

i was told fp

wait a minute

[livid horizon]

loss of chd - you would always want to be at 59 chc

[tawdry flare]

Yes

[bronze hound]

nug you were supposed to run those numbers 😐

[livid horizon]

i couldnt

[blissful rampart]

eh yea thats what i meant sorry lol (no chc on fox so need to re-roll chd to chc)

[tawdry flare]

Idts azure

[livid horizon]

by how much? done the tests?

[tawdry flare]

Let me do it rn

I tested at Max stack with coyote and foxes vs coyote groupo in open world

Foxes was doing slightly more than groupo

On crits but on non crits it would be more

[livid horizon]

slightly more crit dmg?

sheet

[tawdry flare]

Ok

[livid horizon]

i mean, you lose 27% chd

[tawdry flare]

Let me use azure or ikias sheet

[livid horizon]

would think that would be better than 8% dttooc

[blissful rampart]

iirc... dod does a strikers ore build of fox and no fox too lol

TBH it doesnt matter as its close and oreo already bonkers dps

[livid horizon]

it matters

😆

it does annoy me wasting a brand bonus tho

[blissful rampart]

coyotes + 4 strikers + oreo (full chd) = 47 chc and 151 chd pre buff. since smg coyotes would avg of short buff so 47 chc and 176 chd (then add 1 slot to add for more chd or both if not fox)

[tulip charm]

minmaxing oros already?

[livid horizon]

you need more chc

[blissful rampart]

math above is 5 pieces count (pending last slot stats, as its flex)

[tawdry flare]

lmao i am doing number now azure

[livid horizon]

i have 59 chc on my build with 166 dmg

[blissful rampart]

but TBH last 2 slots are very flex, as you can do DCH + ceska and still have strong strikers build too, less on average dps but gain pocket nuke (use D50, since exo is oreo)

[tawdry flare]

iirc backup broomstick doesnt work right?

[blissful rampart]

its not a pistol, so no

[glossy scarab]

flame turret burn ticks to armor

burn ticks to health

capacitor only crits for like 260k. non crits 190k. the fire is strong

[tawdry flare]

with gc?

[glossy scarab]

yeah

[blissful rampart]

with LONG AF cooldown QQ also whats normal fire chem burns (i know fire sticky and airburst both have shorter cooldown and much higher burns too)

[glossy scarab]

yeah the cooldown makes it suck. but the drone helps for that

[tawdry flare]

@blissful rampart @livid horizon both are head crit and non crit

[blissful rampart]

also the backpack is is must have on the gear set, no point not using it. also the backpack 25% Wd is actually and amp to guns (and also works for drone)

[tawdry flare]

but works for allies too?

[blissful rampart]

no

[tawdry flare]

would have been nice

[blissful rampart]

its a self buff

[tawdry flare]

it will makeit somewhat better

[tawdry flare]

i am off to calculating cd npc hp

[livid horizon]

so Fox wins?

[tawdry flare]

yesssss

[livid horizon]

😦

[tawdry flare]

@bronze hound 🦊 wins

[ionic frost]

Is the scorpio shotgun good?

[bronze hound]

fox

[bronze hound]

for some things yes for other things no

its good if you use it right

[livid horizon]

one of the BEST exotics

[bronze hound]

still have to use it correctly to make use of that lol

[livid horizon]

yea don't shoot stuff thats 100meters away, or shoot team mates, then its good

[tawdry flare]

teammates doesnt matter just dont use it when someone is using hh in the team

[ionic frost]

Can I use it in countdown

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[livid horizon]

of course

[ionic frost]

Awesome

[tawdry flare]

it is quite handy against hunter you can solo a hunter with it

i dont think with ouroboros you can solo a cd hunter

@blissful rampart i might as well calculate cd heroic hunter hp

[ionic frost]

Is this a decent build???

[tulip charm]

Bruh

[bronze hound]

if you want the honest ttruth its awful

[tawdry flare]

it's bad

[ionic frost]

I don’t normally use shotguns so I have no clue

[bronze hound]

the shotgun has nothing to do with it

[tawdry flare]

but it was expected go to the pinned spreadsheet in the channel

[ionic frost]

I meant for the builds

[tawdry flare]

and look for either a hf or stiker build

[tawdry flare]

the build itself is bad

[bronze hound]

well for starters running one piece of any gearset accomplishes nothing

like literally nothing

just read the spreadsheet pinned in this channel for good builds

[livid horizon]

no

[delicate laurel]

With gear sets your always wanna run 4 pieces of that gearset

[glossy scarab]

the burn damage is a bunch less with this but theres no cooldown. the drone getting kills refreshes the turret cooldown. i just ran it like 15 times in a row without having to wait more than a 2 second cooldown

[cyan holly]

Good afternoon my friends!

[bronze hound]

apparently the backpack talent works without the resdt of the set

[ionic frost]

Okkk soooo wanna help me out or keep telling me it’s bad

[tawdry flare]

Sure tell me what is your main weapon

[delicate laurel]

What are you tryna go for

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio I presume?

[ionic frost]

Scorpio

[glossy scarab]

oh yeah it extends the range of the regular flame turret and probaby gives the weapon damage too

[tawdry flare]

Than 4pcs hf with memento and ceska obliterate is good

Also for your shd watch do you put your points to CHC ?

[ionic frost]

Hf?

Hunter fury??

[tawdry flare]

Hunters fury the brand you are using for your mask

[delicate laurel]

Hunter fury is for Smgs/shotties

[tawdry flare]

He is using Scorpio lol

[bronze hound]

and regulus

[tawdry flare]

And D50 determined

[bronze hound]

ew

using determined confirms a skill issue

[ionic frost]

Can I use the D50?

[tawdry flare]

If you are going for the headshot version of the build but I would stick to Scorpio

[ionic frost]

What’s a good smg for it?

[tawdry flare]

An vector or mpx with either strained or fast hands

[blissful rampart]

Oreo 😛

outside of oreo, best Smgs are mpx and banshee normal vector doesnt make the cut sadly

[ionic frost]

No headshot version unless it’s 1 shot

[tawdry flare]

For headshot version you need M870 and regulus or d50 determined also try the pinned spreadsheet in the channel it has everything you need

[hardy vault]

My healer build is completely maxed out now besides one repair skill but it's by .5

[tawdry flare]

@blissful rampart finally figured out heroin cd Hunter hp it is 119Million

[vestal ibex]

Repair skill isn't the most important. Chems make a lot of your heals, I'd suggest their cool down to be 15ish seconds vs having all repair skill.

[tulip charm]

wow an hour I'm curious

[tawdry flare]

If it was on day 1 it would have been amazing

[tulip charm]

yeah but imma assume current average time

[tawdry flare]

Which is ?

[tulip charm]

imma say 30 min ish?

[tawdry flare]

Sounds about right 30-35 mins

[vestal ibex]

Teaching 45-60 min. Okay group 30. Good group 20. Really good players doing repeat runs 15.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah 20 mins is good for a nice group I did 3 incursion runs in an hour

With randos

[vestal ibex]

Oh don't forget the DNF bad teams which sounds like a lot but seems to be getting better.

[glossy scarab]

finally found a way to kill not just one but groups of heroic elites with one grenade. i would normally use the demo spec for the extra explosive dmg but the firewall cluster grenades are the only ones that work. i even tried to use lefty with it but it doesnt mark anyone bc theyre just dead

[tawdry flare]

Well I guess the caught in Grenade radius buff helps

[glossy scarab]

yup