td2-build-advice

[bronze hound]

8% for a FAMAS al red

[tawdry flare]

Ok even than 43% for ouroboros

Assuming same build for both

[blissful rampart]

normally no, but when talking about a nerf to an "amp" then yes kinda.

[tawdry raven]

I'm just saying raid weapons should be really good, should buff EB so St Elmo isn't meta

[tawdry flare]

I am saying should Nerf everything except sleigher and 5.11

[bronze hound]

70% more than something moving to 60% more than something is not nerfing the weapons base damage by 10%

[hazy valve]

Welp

[blissful rampart]

oh i agree exotic weapons should be strong BUT because of their talent.. not just because it has bonkers base stats and a bad/ meh talent (ie Elmo, or new Ouro)

[hazy valve]

I'm farming incursion when I get home lol

See if I can hit those 1%

[tawdry flare]

Just make another char

[bronze hound]

A good example is regulus. It's good because of talent and not just base stats alone

[tawdry flare]

Try new that's how I got it

[hazy valve]

I'm too lazy to go through new york again

[tawdry flare]

But the talents requires skill

[hazy valve]

Shit takes forever

[bronze hound]

Exactly

[tawdry flare]

And ouroboros doesn't require anything

[bronze hound]

That's the problem

[tawdry flare]

You cant miss since you are upclose

[blissful rampart]

also scorpio (for strong exo because of talent)

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio should get dttoc nothing more

[bronze hound]

Scorpio is a good example also

[hexed steppe]

Only really matters in pvp. Pve you can choose to use them or not

[bronze hound]

Oh yeah OB is gonna absolutely ruin pvp

[blissful rampart]

IMHO ALL exos should be as strong as regulus (including armor exos too). will have much better build making too cause lots of strong options to build around

[bronze hound]

Would cause huge problems so I'd disagree

[hexed steppe]

Just means everyone will use it. No need for hazpro anymore 🤣
Elmo meta dead

[blissful rampart]

thats fine tbh re to : what eevee said

[bronze hound]

I think project exotics should be like that

[hazy valve]

They shouldn't feel strong, they should feel like wat the rarity is, exotic, but people really don't know how to make stuff like that, even in destiny 2, exotics don't even feel like exotics sometimes

[bronze hound]

The olden exotics were amazing

[tawdry raven]

Idk whats with the obsession on status effect talents the last 2 seasons

[tawdry flare]

Too much elden ring

[bronze hound]

When it was just sweet dreams, merciless, chatterbox, nemesis, and liberty

[silver silo]

dark soul mission

[hazy valve]

Sweet dream is a good example of wat an exotic should be, a talent that 1 shots non elites with a melee kill under a short cd

That's unique. That's is an exotic talent

[bronze hound]

Old merciless was fucking awesome

[hollow pasture]

I agree tbh

[blissful rampart]

TBH merciless, chatterbox both have great talents BUT are just poorly balanced QQ

[bronze hound]

Honestly every Y1 exotic was awesome

was

[hazy valve]

But u got St elmo, 100 shots turns ur next mag into shock ammo, ob where status effects on u is turn to ammo

Shit doesn't feel exotic to me

Just massively overturned guns

[hollow pasture]

Then there's what an exotic should never strive to be
(already forgot its name the S11 one)

[bronze hound]

Collector I think

[hollow pasture]

No

[tawdry flare]

I need to get ouroboros to 20

[bronze hound]

Wait which season was 11

[blissful rampart]

well ouro is massively overturned but Elmo is balanced tbh but doesnt break the meta but does comes close. (at least pve)

[hollow pasture]

The S11 one the one based on the relic gun

[blissful rampart]

the season after 10 😎

[bronze hound]

Was 11 stovepipe?

[hollow pasture]

Quite literally can't remember it's name it's that bad

Yea

It's the one that set ur teammates on fire

[bronze hound]

Sacrum imperium

[hollow pasture]

Yes was drawing a blank

[bronze hound]

I miss the pre nerf one

[tawdry raven]

have the devs said anything about letting old exotics reroll 3rd attribute like the newer ones? id prob use the EB if i could dmg to targets outta cover

[tawdry flare]

ahh the real meta

[hazy valve]

Like imagine a exotic chest piece that makes it where enemies that shoot u will take 50% backlash of their own damage, now that's a exotic talent lol

[hollow pasture]

Tbh i haven't gotten collector yet but is there any build that can make good use of it

[tawdry flare]

Cooldown 10s

[bronze hound]

No

[hazy valve]

No cd

[bronze hound]

Mirror shield

[unkempt dune]

What gear has perfect skillz talent?

[tawdry flare]

Also new exo killing enemies gives a 69% amp to the team

[bronze hound]

What

Are you referring to perfectly skilled?

[tawdry flare]

But your damage is reduced by 69%

[hazy valve]

Lol

[bronze hound]

Absolutely horrid idea

[tawdry flare]

Which one

[bronze hound]

Yes

[blissful rampart]

yes they have but that was months ago and they never confirmed if they would do it for older exos just " we are thinking about it"

[vestal ibex]

Gestures vaguely.

[hazy valve]

The exotic talent will be called "improper glass cannon" which enemies that shoot u will take 50% of their own damage, but u deal 50% less damage

[bronze hound]

I don't need to explain how that's a bad idea

[vestal ibex]

Enemies damage dealt is no comparison to what we do.

[hazy valve]

Legendaries deal a shit ton of damage

[west trellis]

Any suggestions or improvements for this build? Wanted to try out heartbreaker

[vestal ibex]

Compare your damage dealt to taken.

[west trellis]

Was thinking heartbreaker but not sure how well it actually works with the gun kingbreaker

[vestal ibex]

Ez 1 billion damage in lego vs what 100 mil taken?

[hazy valve]

Lol Maybe 😂

[vestal ibex]

BIS gun.

[west trellis]

Bis gun?

[vestal ibex]

Best in slot

[west trellis]

Ohhh

That makes sense thank you, I put busy little bee but I don't how useful it'll be

[vestal ibex]

There is a spread sheet with builds including the one you're working on in the pinned messages of this channel.

[tawdry flare]

It is niche but it is good

[west trellis]

Dam awesome thank you

[tawdry flare]

If you need more help you can ask

Here

[vestal ibex]

Thank azurmen for his hard work.

[tawdry flare]

Should've seen me prank him

[west trellis]

Will do I took a break around broken wings release came back recently for the new update need to fix my builds lol

[hazy valve]

Azure gotta make a new spreadsheet for div3

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[blissful rampart]

lol Div 3 years away BUT might do one for Heartlands 🕺

[tawdry flare]

You were not scoped in

[onyx sage]

scope in until dark, let go 1s max, scope in until dark, let go 1s max, etc.

[tawdry flare]

Using 3.4x

[onyx sage]

nonono 8x for life

[tawdry flare]

69X for chads

[woeful swift]

how does this look now?

[tawdry flare]

Swap Elmo for m4 with flatline

[timber edge]

do weapon stats have a cap? like if stability is fully white, and i add a mag that adds more stability, does it do anything or not?

[flint wave]

Stability and accuracy stop changing at 100% which you can see the %'s if you look at all your stats

[tawdry flare]

the bars are kind of misleading

[flint wave]

most straightforward div 2 mechanic

[tawdry flare]

wrong about accuracy though

[flint wave]

how

[tawdry flare]

it is exponetial so you need quite high percentage to notice the diffrence

the more up you go showstopper is a good example

[flint wave]

What's beyond 100% accurate lol

[tawdry flare]

for both div1 and 2

[tawdry flare]

300%/400% handling on smg talent

also golden bullet 200% accuracy

[flint wave]

very cool Tom Clancys the division 2

[timber edge]

lmao thanks guys ill keep that in mind

was just wondering if adding any more stability to the new reliable is worth it or not

[magic pilot]

Past 108% stability you have no swap

[urban latch]

Past 100%

[magic pilot]

Aren't the sniper builds for chungas on morozova 108%?

[vestal ibex]

100%. You just have your last roll as HSD on your gear.

[tawdry flare]

swap?

[hollow pasture]

So I guess people saw that vigilance is getting fixed
I guess it indeed is a bug and not a ghost nerf

[tawdry flare]

lol fix 1 break 2

@urban latch what thing do you think is going to break when vigilance is fixed?

[hollow pasture]

Lmao

[tawdry flare]

ouroboros at 18 out of exo 😦

[hazy valve]

O so this is the bug people are talking about?

[urban latch]

Something completely unrelated and that has never been an issue before

[hollow pasture]

We should put bets before every season on what random talent they are going to break

Idek how they break these talents tbh
Unless they change it to see how people react then label it as a "bug"

Putting my tin foil hat on

[vestal ibex]

If you pick an already broken one are you betting they fix it?

[hollow pasture]

I should bet on them fixing fragile armor directive
Maybe that'll work

[hazy valve]

Vigilance is if u take damage u lose the buff right?

[vestal ibex]

Oh you know the can't use deployable skills bug right? I think you can still instant use them.

When you have cool skills on.

[onyx sage]

called it

[hollow pasture]

Yep

[vestal ibex]

Can you actually craft these?

[urban latch]

There was a reddit post about it. Apparently you can't delete them from your inventory once you craft them either

[hollow pasture]

So you can craft them hmmmm
Interesting

[hazy valve]

So I mean, wouldn't it make sense to go off if ur shield was damage too? Lol

[hollow pasture]

I mean they for one never said they were ever changing vigilance recently
And its always been armor or health damage

[hazy valve]

Ooo ok

[vestal ibex]

Opps my inventory is all spec handguns.

[blissful rampart]

I wonder if those crafted spec pistols are treated the same as the ones rewarded from the specs (they don't take up inventory spots)

[vestal ibex]

Oh good point. Create thousands of pistols in your inventory and crash the game.

[shy basalt]

spaghetti lol

[tawdry flare]

should add enforcer blueprint while at it and give it dttoc to rival ouroboros

[quasi geyser]

is true patriot any good on solo?

[tawdry flare]

no skip for solo in a groupfor buff fi

[vestal ibex]

Is TP good? Comparatively to other gearsets not so much. Could you use it? Yeah sure.

[blissful rampart]

true patriot is a group support gear set (though among weakest options) pretty fun set though. so not great for solo

[hollow pasture]

I think TP could actually work well with oro and st elmos

That's what I heard from people that have more experience with TP than me

[livid horizon]

TP is a bit pants tbh

[blissful rampart]

TP weaker support then FI and its also less DPS then dps builds. so its not best for either role.

[hollow pasture]

Probably the best candidate for a rework

[vestal ibex]

Vs red FI on dps?

[blissful rampart]

?

TP is weaker support and also less dps then FI. if thats what you were asking about?

[flint wave]

how

[autumn yacht]

pretty sure vigi stayed active when u took actual damage with a shield out too

when i would use reg in dz i thought it was a bug

[blissful rampart]

FI buff 25% > 9 or 12% red buff of TP.

[blissful rampart]

known bug, being fixed next patch.

[autumn yacht]

no their fixing where it goes away when shield is shot

i mean like someone hitting u straight up in the back or smth

unless that’s intended

[bronze hound]

"being fixed next patch" where did you get this info, its not on trello

nvm it is lol

[vestal ibex]

It's on there.

[hollow pasture]

Idk about next patch but it's 19.2

[bronze hound]

my bad xD

[blissful rampart]

oh okay so not next my bad. its next next patch

[onyx sage]

when your hands are faster than your eyes

[blissful rampart]

its always worked like that. your body gets hit, you lose the buff (except if the shot only hurts bonus armor, then doesnt drop)

[autumn yacht]

maybe i’m misremembering but felt like even if body shot it stayed

we’ll see tho knowing div they’ll probably make the buff apply twice and never disable

[tawdry raven]

They updated to say determined was fixed but it's still working

[flint wave]

????

Is it still triggered by skills or something?

[hollow pasture]

I remember when I just destroyed my decoy it triggered it

[candid night]

Elmo with DTOC or CHD?

[hexed steppe]

Dttooc

[flint wave]

Those poor optimization minerals

[hexed steppe]

No, not afaik. And I use it a lot with turrets active

[hexed steppe]

That's an old fix. They did that rather than rework the talent to not reproc on body shots

[copper tusk]

I wonder if they're gonna nerf the ouroboros so bad it's useless or just below average

[flint wave]

its already got the worst talent known to man

what are you gonna do next

[copper tusk]

The only thing saving it is that firerate

[autumn yacht]

div nerfing a gun in 2023? nah

[copper tusk]

EB

[autumn yacht]

reg has been meta in dz since release, famas has been meta for years

[copper tusk]

EB went from number one to bottom of AR's

[autumn yacht]

EB still good in dz

[flint wave]

now we have elmos

[autumn yacht]

and everything is good in pve

[copper tusk]

Well that's like a tiny part of the game

[copper tusk]

Meta and op are different lol

Ouro is admittedly too strong, but it doesn't deserve to be useless so let's hope they're nice to it

[blissful rampart]

and its mag size.

[copper tusk]

True

[autumn yacht]

@blissful rampart can you pass a note along to the devs: fix the game

thanks man i appreciate it

[blissful rampart]

lol

[onyx sage]

azur passes to eevee

[tawdry raven]

I screenshot the wrong one

[hexed steppe]

Fair. Yeah still working like normal. Was using a det wd today

[autumn yacht]

@bronze hound FIX THE GAME

[hexed steppe]

Wont headhunter builds still clear content faster than an ouroboros build, either hhhf or HH hotshot

[onyx sage]

yeah if the content has low enough hp pools

[copper tusk]

But headhunter requires you to hit heads, ouro out dps's almost any (as far as I'm aware) other none hh build

[hexed steppe]

Determined you only have to hit 1 headshot technically. But someone used to a regulus HH build is clearing shit pretty damn quick

[bronze hound]

What did I do

😢

[copper tusk]

Doesn't determined not work with hh now?

[hexed steppe]

It works with headhunter. Body shots will stack HH.
Shots on warhounds/ minitanks will spend the HH proc tho and leave you with just a determined proc so you gotta think about what to shoot to build your hh stack back up

[urban latch]

Don't you keep HH on dog/tank kills, you just need to wait until they finish their death animation?

[hexed steppe]

No it just reprocs determined

Sucks cause I'll have to look for something red/purple bar or lower health elite to restack. But I keep a turret/drone on the build to chunk some stuff down

[tawdry raven]

was wondering why i was struggling after killing a warhound

[slow glacier]

How is this for dps 3rd day back in over 4 years with 43 shd rank

[gritty olive]

Fair

[slow glacier]

Lol sup terry

F you bro xD

Ill get there

EVENTUALLY

I got my dps from the chameleon ar idk if i like this weapon tho

Still trying to get the elmos one

[serene crow]

Is there anybody who can do a screen share with me to see if we can get my dos build better ?

[slow glacier]

Yo skin what are you running rn

[serene crow]

this is what ive got i know i need an AR instead of lmg

but i have like a almost god roll chameleon should i use that until i get elmos?

[slow glacier]

Run 4 peices of striker then a ceska chest with obliterate

[serene crow]

im 4 years out what is striker

[slow glacier]

Its a full gear set

You got almost the same build

[serene crow]

is that a chamileon

[slow glacier]

Yep

Im also tryna get an elmos

[serene crow]

this is the one ive got should i run it instead of lmg?

[slow glacier]

Its up to you the chamelon suffers in accuracy

[serene crow]

The armour damage of the lmg is pretty op aswell

[slow glacier]

Well see you arent wearing strikers what is your main core bonuses is it focused toward ar damage

[gritty olive]

Not even fair to compare the two honestly, that has so many buffs from my healer lol. 7 million is solid after being gone 4 years.

[slow glacier]

I thought so xD

[gritty olive]

Props on using the chameleon also that gun slaps

[slow glacier]

Again i like it but its accuracy is garbage

And rn im suffering alot on survivability

[gritty olive]

Catharsis mask? If you’re building for the incursion you could rely on the other two dps for coyotes

[slow glacier]

Im using coyotes rn im built for countdown so i can gear myself for pvp

[gritty olive]

I’m sure you can afford to drop coyotes for the catharsis in countdown little bit more survivability

[slow glacier]

Bet i guess im grinding that mask now xD

[rich cosmos]

What do Umbra chest and backpack bonuses do and are they worth using over anything else?

[hexed steppe]

this is still workable if you have the right bag and chest talents. right not they are not great. high end dps is still solid and you dont have a lot of ramping up damage.

-chest talent obliterate is safe , solid damage. glass or focus can also work well, but oblit is easy.
-bag talent vigilance, solid damage

you can consider not using providence since not stacking grupo and not using the named perfect glass/perfect vigilance. fenris/ceska/grupo gives all the same crit bonus as 3pc prov, but trades the headshot bonus for an assault rifle bonus. this is also gonna tie in to weapon suggestion of swapping to an assault rifle like famas/carbine 7/ police m4/ elmo . if you use a high end ar you can still keep pesti as a backup weapon and use it like before. you will actually see higher damage on your ticks if you have oblit and vigilance running as both contribute to the tick calculation.
all gear should have crit chance/crit damage, crit chance caps at 60% and with coyote it can be comfortably left at around 50% as the aim

[serene crow]

Is this a ok bp

[heady pier]

First peek at the patch notes. What up with Lengmo?

[hexed steppe]

just another meh set

[heady pier]

Want to level it up but the only thing I can think to use it for is deflector shield.

[slow glacier]

Yeah @serene crow just re roll the handling for crit damage or crit rate

And on the empty throw on crit rate or damage whichever your suffering from

[hexed steppe]

yeah that kinda sucks. one way you could level it, and mind you its not an optimal setup, is run a standard eclipse but instead of a golan or eletrique piece run one of the lengmo and burn some missions or w/e. youll lose 10% status but it should level pretty quick that way

can also farm it in countdown and donate the pieces. youll need 100 total

[heady pier]

Yeah I was thinking just putting all 6 pcs on and getting the multi haha

Prob just donate mats 😄

[hexed steppe]

🤣 that works too, just dont take it to heroic CD

[serene crow]

this is my current chc chd

[slow glacier]

Ok not bad and the chance maxes at 60%

[serene crow]

so just go for damage then

[slow glacier]

My crit damage is at 58% with maxed chance

I myself might even drop some of my chance with chamelon it goes all the way to 60 anyways

Like it would be safe for me to drop 20% crit chance and throw 20% in crit damage

I messaged you btw potato

[hollow pasture]

🤔

[glossy scarab]

i rerolled one of my iron lungs and it came out with chc so i decided to keep it. saves me from having to put more chc on the build

[shell fog]

is vigilance bugged with shield? It goes on cooldown if enemies hit your shield

[upper patrol]

is there a BiS AR before getting St. Elmo's?

[fickle light]

theres a few, FAMAS & Carbine 7 both very good

[upper patrol]

Famas 2010 right?

idk if there are more

[fickle light]

theres only one famas

[upper patrol]

ok lol xD

[fickle light]

if it says famas you have the right one

[upper patrol]

Not american sorry 👀

[fickle light]

it has nothing to do with being american?

[upper patrol]

It was a joke nevermind

One more question.

Fast Hands + Flatline + Strained is a good combo for a striker build?

Was thinking on going for in sync but not using drone for the damage

[fickle light]

ah, a bad gun joke, gotcha.

[fickle light]

it works- your questions will be answered if you check the spreadsheet (pinned in this channel) and look for the striker build

[upper patrol]

Followed it, asking because i was curious if there was a better combo for low geared players

[fickle light]

"low geared players" doesnt exist, you just use whatever is closest until you get to where the guide tells ya

dont have a good AR? anything works while you work towards a FAMAS or a Carbine 7, and then if you get a bad one of those you recalibrate it with something workable, then work towards a slightly better version. Continue until you are finished.

[upper patrol]

gotcha thx

[slow glacier]

hows this

[upper patrol]

Is chameleon a fun gun to use?

got one but never really gave it a chance

[slow glacier]

the damage ramp is great but its accuracy is pretty bad

[upper patrol]

guess it's a close range weapon then

[dire flame]

Its more of an smg than an ar

[upper patrol]

It looks like a vector

but it's an AR? 😄

[glossy scarab]

its built onto a vector body but yeah its classified as an AR

[slow glacier]

rn with it my dps is at 8mil

[upper patrol]

Doing 2.5mil, tho i went for armour on first slots

3.3 with chameleon, but i lose a bit of mid range advatange 😄

[slow glacier]

yeah haha

i was thinking elmos

trade out my chameleon

but i cant get this damn thing to drop

been playing since 7am this morning and ive gotten 2 chameleons not one other ar

[upper patrol]

yep, i've been grinding a mission with AR loot for a while now, no luck. But idk the drop rates

[slow glacier]

what you been running

[upper patrol]

guess it's pretty rare, but looks pretty crazy.

[glossy scarab]

keep getting those exotic caches every week on all your characters for the donation project

its not that rare. ive gotten 5 so far

[slow glacier]

wait

so make new toon but i need to hit 40

[upper patrol]

Jefferson Plaza - loot aloc Assault Riffle
i run challenging most of the times, but i can run Heroic if ppl join 😄

[glossy scarab]

i think you will still get the donation project at lvl 30 you'll just get a level 30 exotic. you can probably reconfigure it to lvlv 40

[upper patrol]

i still got my booster since i did not use on my main, 🤔 maybe i go for a second char

[slow glacier]

what im saying is i dont got any other toons haha

and you cant target jefferson with ar

can you?

[glossy scarab]

not unless it happens to be ARs that day

[slow glacier]

ohh i see yeah mines not

its hunters fury haha

[heady pier]

So Ortiz is just another CC to choose from

[slow glacier]

im getting tired of this bull crap countdown man

im not getting anything ahaha

[tawdry raven]

is 5% dmg per enemy mod for the shield good and how does it work? finally got a max rolled one

[merry stone]

it probably works with that special shield which has a cone infront, any enemies in that cone will give you a damage boost

this mod increases that

[fickle light]

It only works with the firewall shield, yea

[glossy scarab]

my striker shield says 11% extra damage per enemy. dont know how a 5% and a 1% equals 11%. not sure what the base bonus is for the shield

[onyx sage]

5% is base yea

• 5% + 1% from the 2 mods you have makes it 11%

[tawdry flare]

+6% should exist also

[onyx sage]

right

[tawdry flare]

I find the shield mod weird cause the best mod drop in open world for striker shield and doesn't work with any other

[cyan drift]

maximum range fire nades

maximum range flashbangs (purely as a joke)

[candid night]

DPS for time being until I get a full red striker set

[upper patrol]

Got the Elmo's eheh, reroll or keep it?

[woeful swift]

you want dttoc in the third slot, but i think damage to armor is decent? that’s pretty close to the first one i got

[cyan drift]

D2A is basically the second best thing you can get, more or less

[tawdry flare]

Rerolll

[hollow pasture]

Put dttoc and there ya go

[warm crystal]

build

[flint wave]

advice

[tawdry flare]

For Division 2

[fickle light]

The build spreadsheet is pinned in this chat. Should be a little icon like this 📌. Click on it, its the first link that comes up.

[dire flame]

Is there a place to see all the bonuses to armor sets all at once?

[tawdry flare]

Yeah your stats screen

[hexed steppe]

This may not be updated to the current season yet, but it's also pinned to this channel
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/

[dire flame]

Ty

[ionic frost]

What’s dttoc?

[hexed steppe]

damage to targets out of cover

[green pumice]

this new smg Expertise 0 btw. this is not okey xd

my elmo did around 16

[delicate laurel]

Jeezes

That's close range though

[green pumice]

yes its smg? i will never be shooting from far.

[delicate laurel]

It has good range for a smg at 20+ meters it still shreds

[green pumice]

thats nice. nerf inc for sure.

[delicate laurel]

The only thing I don't like is the fast fire rate

You go through ammo so fast

[green pumice]

thats true but high rpm is fun 😄

[delicate laurel]

Ya need to hit almost every shot

[green pumice]

i will start using this over elmo in the Incursion easy 1 phase last boss.

[delicate laurel]

Overall in terms of versatility and usefulness which is better elmos or oro?

[green pumice]

elmo for sure. but for pure dps on last boss might as well use oro

[delicate laurel]

The talent is useless in most situations as well

[green pumice]

yeah

[delicate laurel]

The only downside of the oro is its high ammo consumption and useless talent other then those 2 things its good

[green pumice]

yeah nerf the gun stats little bit and add better talent imo.

[delicate laurel]

What would be a good talent for the oro?

[green pumice]

no idea but this aint it 😄

cant even self proc it so bit useless 😄

[slate wedge]

how so high?

[delicate laurel]

Iron lung is awful as well

[delicate laurel]

Fast fire rate and with striker stacks

[glossy scarab]

you can get that dps number with any vector

[green pumice]

59% crit chance 166% crit dmg

[delicate laurel]

You use the chest doesn't that give you 200 stacks?

[green pumice]

yeah it does

[delicate laurel]

It's harder to maintain 200 no?

[green pumice]

ofc but bosses in the incursion not really.

acs for stacks and oro high rpm keeps them up pretty good.

[delicate laurel]

I don't use the ACS with my strikers

[green pumice]

thats how i played d1 striker thats how i will play it here too 😄

too used to it

[slate wedge]

there would be so many cool things but one would be to add a random status effect mag on every 3rd mag maybe

[slate wedge]

acs not even needed. i just run a st. elmos as backup

[delicate laurel]

I use the non named darkwinter vector for my stack building

[green pumice]

not bad.

[delicate laurel]

I run vector with st elmos

[slate wedge]

same, but i use the tac vector

[delicate laurel]

Sometimes I swap my elmo for my C7 famas or M4

Depends on my mood

[green pumice]

great guns

[delicate laurel]

C7 is my fav AR hands down

[green pumice]

same used that alot before elmo.

[slate wedge]

st. elmos is just yoo good not to use

[delicate laurel]

Famas is also a fave the rpm goes crazy

[tawdry flare]

It is good that it is an SMG not ar

[slate wedge]

ouro?

[delicate laurel]

I don't use the elmo as a crutch

I even used the AKM

Hits like a truck

[tawdry flare]

Yeah if it was an ar than everything except hh would be shit

[delicate laurel]

True

Is the new chest any good ?

I have it but haven't used it

[tawdry flare]

For sledgehammer maybe

Cause the radius is insane

[delicate laurel]

It looks cool

How many exotic chests we have now 2?

[slate wedge]

tardigrade

ridgeways

collector

[delicate laurel]

Tardigade is a exotic?

[slate wedge]

Headhunter?

[green pumice]

yes

[slate wedge]

uh yeah

[tawdry flare]

Yup headhunter is one of the few things that outperforms ouroboros

[slate wedge]

ohhhh

[tawdry flare]

It has a crazy dps higher than Scorpio lol

[slate wedge]

i thought you meant the only thing thqt would work with ouro would be HH

[slate wedge]

yup, it was so OP in the pts

[tawdry flare]

Yeah glad they nerfed it a bit

[slate wedge]

i mean i am sad because pew pew but yeah it would have killed pvp

[delicate laurel]

They need to add more exotic shotguns and pistols rn for pistols we have liberty reg and busy for shotguns scorpio and sweetdreams/lulaby

[dire flame]

Exotic ACS12

[tawdry flare]

Showstopper makes a return

We should get a new rifle

[green pumice]

Showstopper yes pls.

[tawdry flare]

Now since last was ravenous

[delicate laurel]

They should add old D1 exos into 2

[tawdry flare]

With DMG increase alongside accuracy

[tawdry flare]

I wish they don't

[slate wedge]

we need a good exotic shotgun

[tawdry flare]

Scorpio?

[slate wedge]

because we only have a bad one and a broken one

[dire flame]

It’s good but it’s getting outclassed now

[slate wedge]

we need one that isn't boring

[tawdry flare]

We need is rerollable third attribute on all exotics

[slate wedge]

it is just a BIS for any healer build and any non-HH HF build

[slate wedge]

true, imagine how much better BK would get

[tawdry flare]

You can use Scorpio. On any build and call it a good build now ouroboros does that slightly better but no team buff

[tawdry flare]

BK can get rof or dta or dth

[slate wedge]

yup

[slate wedge]

yeah, also nemesis can get dtooc

scorpio can get dtooc

basically just use dtooc on everything lol

[tawdry flare]

Except for lmgs they are fucked

Due to suppression

[dire flame]

True

[slate wedge]

they can get dth, dta and rof

[bright raptor]

Rerollable third attributes are a crutch for poorly designed exotic talents

[slate wedge]

i still don't get why ARs have 21% dth

[bright raptor]

also Doctor Home is the newest exotic rifle. Which again isn't very good

[tawdry flare]

Better than 17% chd

[dire flame]

Gotta kill someone within 5 seconds with 15 bullets only for a 10% armor increase is kinda ehh. Not even a DPS build could utilize that fully

[slate wedge]

doctor home is really good

[tawdry flare]

Your team kill also apply

[dire flame]

Can shoot and mark between several different targets. I’m trying to envision it in something like the final boss of Iron Horse

[slate wedge]

doctor home also has really good base dps and a team buff

if you are a decent player you can give your team 50% armor from one ad spawn

not every weapon needs a damage talent to be good

[haughty edge]

First time I've actually started making a build/using the recal station etc.
So I can only recal 1 stat per item right?

[dire flame]

Yep

[fickle light]

1 recal, can opti all others

[haughty edge]

Opti? damn haha whats that

I thought I was on the way to half understanding this shit. Obv not ><

Basically I've been updated my recal library anytime I can etc

[dire flame]

Optimization. Basically spending some resources to upgrade the percentages of selected stats

[fickle light]

i say stuff so much around here i've started defaulting to the shortened name, sorry

[haughty edge]

Nah allgood. I just saw opti for the first time then. I think my gears too shit to Opti anyway atm

I'm guessing Opti is where you have the pieces you want for the build and you "optimise it" for that.

[fickle light]

If you have the right rolls but low stats rolls, like a gun with 1% ar dmg, 1% health damage, 1% Damage to target out of cover (DTTOOC) and a talent you like, you can reconfigure one of the low rolls to a higher roll (or swap talents!) and then optimize the rest of the way up. Its a long process and resource intensive but still worth it for some things, like DZ exclusive named items or, like, Carbine 7s

[slate wedge]

atleast getting the best attributes to macimum is a requirement to the end game

[slate wedge]

yeah, thats about it, nowadays with CD the thing you will struggle with the most is the field recon, that you can get from keeners watch by making a new character and getting him to level 40

[hexed steppe]

Someone with low level can also spam floor 10 summit using the old method. No xp but it still gives 3 frd (challenging) 4 frd (heroic)

[halcyon prism]

is go to regulus build for farming open world activity is gonna be HF set with chainkiller + momento ?

[hexed steppe]

Memento or vigilance bag. Probably dh HH chest if using mem tho

Vigilance higher damage

[woeful swift]

@delicate laurel remember how i said i would go to sleep and wake up in the morning and get the exotic i wanted first try

[delicate laurel]

I was about to go to sleep ya still need help with that hunter

I'm willing to do it before I go to bed

[woeful swift]

i mean it doesn't have to be right now, i'm not in a rush

[delicate laurel]

alr ill get some sleep then

[woeful swift]

sounds good

[halcyon prism]

alright thank you

[magic pilot]

Nearly god rolled nice

[woeful swift]

ye, going to optimize it when i can

[slate wedge]

i am so ready to spend all my 120 exo components on the ouroboros rerolling

[hexed steppe]

You'll be 15 short to hit lvl 24 upgrade

[slate wedge]

i only have expertise level 5

i also have to reroll to dtooc that was what i meant

[hexed steppe]

Oic 🍻

[cunning agate]

Is that new named bag better than the gift for dps?

[slate wedge]

nah, way worse

because you have to get 4 kills to have slightly higher damage and also the brand is worse for dps

for solo it may be better but for teamplay definietly not

[vagrant harness]

hey so i have this build im copying from a youtube now im curious im not doing close to the damage he did in video i got like 6m dps think im about 80% optimized with this build

is my damage stuck behind shd level or am i doing something hella wrong

little update for the chest piece i got fenris or whatever it was called 😄

[tulip charm]

Because you want an actual good chest piece

With obliterate

idealy with groupo if you plan on using elmo

[vagrant harness]

i have to max groupo but im having more dps with fenris right now cuz its a bit closer to max attributes also i dont have oblierate right now

i can only swap attribute and talent once?

so i need to find perfect chest piece where i only have to swap talent?

@tulip charm

or other way around

[bright raptor]

yes

Or if you get the talent you want, then you need two other attributes to be good

[vagrant harness]

okay thanks

[distant cloak]

I'm currently running the red build, (coyotes, 3pc prov, 1pc grupo and foxes) with Elmo. I'm just wondering if strikers outperforms the red build and worth switching too...cheers

[glossy scarab]

as far as damage goes yes strikers outperforms a red dps build handily. some people prefer the high end build with perfect glass cannon though because you dont have to build stacks. but i dont think building stacks is a good enough reason to choose so much less damage

[autumn yacht]

depends on what ur doing

[flint wave]

nah

[autumn yacht]

i find in CD for example it’s hard to maintain stacks bc enemies are so spread out and you do so much running

well less hard and more annoying

[flint wave]

I just use acs on one enemy

and that's usually it

[distant cloak]

I will give it a go thanks 👍🏻

[ionic frost]

Any good dps builds

[magic pilot]

Checked the pinned spreadsheet

[severe wasp]

I was told I was trolling in paradise lost with this build.. I mean I've been playing this game since it released I know how build works.. Am I missing something ?

[magic pilot]

No that build works fine?

[severe wasp]

For reference I do around 1.4 million dmg per bullet

[glossy scarab]

what did they expect you to run

[severe wasp]

Maybe I'm mistaken but for me the new incusrion is dedicated for full dps teams so i went full dps

[bright raptor]

you could run the ACS for even faster stacking, but St Elmo with the inherent Striker bonuses is already pretty fast

[severe wasp]

That's my build for solo legendary strongholds

[bright raptor]

I think they're just bad and trying to blame it on you

[glossy scarab]

unless they tried to tell you to be the healer or something and you missed it, it seems like your group was dumb

[gentle lichen]

If it was a matchmaking group is might as well be this

[severe wasp]

I mean that's the surprise with matchmaking.. I'm not in a clan right now... What's misisng with random players in matchmaking don't require coms. Which is the most important part

If you can't communicate you can't do sht

[bright raptor]

Very few matchmaking groups use comms, I usually LFG for serious stuff on Discords instead

[severe wasp]

Stats in detail

[woeful swift]

decent on six12?

[glossy scarab]

hell yeah

[woeful swift]

i might switch it for flatline because i'm running heartbreaker and i don't like perks that require kills to proc, especially in heroic things. like i'm not getting 3 consecutive kills in countdown ever

[glossy scarab]

pummel is my fav but use whatever talent you want. can change it whenever it looks like

[hexed steppe]

Should use ceska over fenris. You'll only need your 2 highend chc rolls to hit 52% or add a 3rd to push 58% chc and still have more chd than current. How many rolls currently dedicated to chc and what % you running

[slate wedge]

only thing i would change is the spec to survivalist, gunner or firewall but thats it

[woeful swift]

how's this for an intro striker build? grabbed zero f's for survivability since i don't trust myself to be super glass cannon-y yet

and i'm using a shotgun anyway

[autumn yacht]

no

[woeful swift]

super helpful

[autumn yacht]

bruh just run it normally

[woeful swift]

i haven't gotten a single good grupo chestguard to drop

[glossy scarab]

if anything find a ceska or grupo with unbreakable if you feel like you need unbreakable

[limpid pelican]

heard they sell them for $5000 usd double crit obliterate

[glossy scarab]

oh no luck with that so far. i see

[woeful swift]

i just can't be bothered to farm countdown just for grupo gear anymore, i've used up my rng for the day

[autumn yacht]

ceska, grupo, or fenris are fine

[woeful swift]

i thought i had an okay ceska in my stash but i do not

well, i don't know

i have this on a grupo chestpiece, but the talent is bad, so it was a choice between changing the weapon handling or the talent

[tulip charm]

talent?

[woeful swift]

efficient

[autumn yacht]

idk if ppl would care if ur missing chc on one talent

[tulip charm]

yeah

change talent and change one of the striker pieces to chc

and just farm for a better chest

[woeful swift]

better?

ignoring the shotgun that is

[autumn yacht]

you can run obliterate i believe in you

you’re cracked

[woeful swift]

i do not

i can change it later if i actually think i can handle it

[autumn yacht]

shields are super op in pve you’ll see

[woeful swift]

i have seen, been using it today and yesterday and it's a little ridiculous

i think in the next couple days i might be able to get used to the shield enough to rely on that instead of unbreakable

[glossy scarab]

cant rely on the shield too hard tho. rely on smart positioning and using your environment so you are in the line of sight of as few enemies at a time as possible

[woeful swift]

right

[hollow pasture]

Rely on the shield for getting close if needed
(not when there's a shit ton of enemies)

[woeful swift]

what talents are okay on shotguns besides pummel?

[autumn yacht]

shotguns aren’t really gonna do damage regardless my build personally has flatline cause i run it on both guns

[woeful swift]

i'm just not pulsing enemies without heartbreaker

[autumn yacht]

pummel is pretty op tho cause unless they fixed it the talent can activate with your ar out

[autumn yacht]

technician laser

[woeful swift]

so you can get the kills with elmo and swap to the shotgun and it'll be procced?

oh, i'm on gunner

[autumn yacht]

if ur using st elmo it’s probably not worth anyway

[hollow pasture]

Pummel

Pumped up is good too

[woeful swift]

is this what you meant tho

i've got an okay tsunami with perfect pummel that i might use in that case

i say as if every tsunami doesn't have that

[autumn yacht]

you want a lefty or acs to build stacks fast

[woeful swift]

of pummel?

[autumn yacht]

ohh i got pummel and sledgehammer mixed up

sorry sledgehammer will activate even if the shotgun isn’t out iirc

[woeful swift]

oh, i was told it didn't, which is why it wasn't very good on shotguns

i'm not throwing a ton of grenades anyway

[woeful swift]

oh, strange

[glossy scarab]

thats a pretty old trello pic. you had that on file or something or did you super speed look it up

[autumn yacht]

i just looked it up

[glossy scarab]

impressive

[hexed steppe]

the thing with sledgehammer is you have to have the sledge weapon in hand when the grenade explodes, or in the case of survivalist while the fire is still burning. then you can switch and it stays active. you wont initially proc without it in your hand

lefty is the perfect stack gun if using for striker... youre never really on the shotty long enough to proc the talents regardless

[hexed steppe]

no, see above

[autumn yacht]

yeah at the end of the day i don’t think it matters just lefty or acs

cause them shotguns shoot pellets anyway

[woeful swift]

okay i ran another countdown with striker focused and i got a fully maxed backpack at the very least, going to see if i got anything else better than what i had

[hexed steppe]

nice

the only acs talents i see worth anyways is sledge or optimist, flatline if using tech spec ... switching over to ar pretty much negates most of the other talents

[woeful swift]

okay i got another grupo chestguard that's just okay, not amazing, but i can't tell if it's better or not

actually nevermind

has a bad talent and a really bad attribute

[hexed steppe]

chc, chd, obliterate , for striker.. as long as you can get that within 1 recal its decent. right attributes > non optimal god rolled attributes

should farm ceska tho, it allows you to hit higher chd.. like 9% more chd than running the grupo chest. counterintuitive but it has to do with less chc rolls on the other gear

[woeful swift]

i only needed unbreakable once that run but my team was absolutely blasting through it so i can't tell if it was actually because i didn't need it or because the enemies just didn't have enough time to shoot at me

like we were teamfiring hunters in .75 of a second lol. fastest i've ever seen one of them go down

[hexed steppe]

it happens a lot. run a revive hive and get a damage talent on the chest

unbreakable only really helpful in pvp. pve youre just kinda giving the npc more time to shoot at you by not dishing out maximum damage

[woeful swift]

oh, hm

that's a good point

wow i do not have reviver unlocked somehow. guess that's what i'm doing for the next few minutes

[hexed steppe]

definitly worth. its good for picking up teammates if you cant reach them as well. if/when you get a kard custom named pistol (gives skilltier when in hand) you can switch to that pistol for an extra charge while throwing the revive. it allows you pick the hive up after team revive instead of blowing up and having a huge cooldown😉

[woeful swift]

i have the unnamed right now

oh actually

is that at the dz vendor right now?

[hexed steppe]

not sure. it is dz exclusive so could be. i have seen it on sale previous at countdown vendor, along with other dz exclusives.. itll alsso drop from named cache

[woeful swift]

gonna check and see

i think i remember it being there. never ran dz before but i might give it a try, don't have any other plans

this one, right?

[sullen sun]

@urban latch would you mind sharing your raid build?

[urban latch]

Which one? I mostly use a version of the high end standard DPS build, but the exact setup depends on the boss and what role I'm doing

[sullen sun]

Best one for the incursion

[urban latch]

Oh, for the incursion 1 FI healer, and 3 strikers (strikers chest for the last boss, obliterate for the rest) pretty much seems like the way to go

[sullen sun]

Ok sweet, I already use your striker build for countdown etc.

[sullen sun]

Would an OD build work?

[urban latch]

No, things are way too tanky to really take advantage of the OD rounds. Strikers max damage is pretty key. Outside that the only build I've done it with is high end with M1As cqbs

[magic pilot]

boss you need healer is 2 and 3 boss 1 you just need a PFE tank

[mild python]

Can anyone post the meta striker headshot build??

[urban latch]

I don't think you need a tank anywhere tbh

[urban latch]

Depending on what your using it for, but 4p striker, pgc, dch would be a 1 shot setup

[mild python]

For the incursion last boss

[urban latch]

Are you trying to 1 shot them or use it to 1 phase Johnson?

[mild python]

1 phase. I think 1 shot is unrealistic without a coordinated group

[urban latch]

Imo I'd go with that setup, and make sure you've got an overcharged Achilles pulse on Johnson to make it worth it.

If your not hitting an Achilles mark then your better off just going crit over hsd

[magic pilot]

You can get away with no tank on boss 1 but if you don't kill fast enough you wipe cause he shoots the tanker

[proper lagoon]

Bloodsucker + striker's Gambit = ?

[hollow pasture]

One person stays in front of him
Everyone else just runs past behind him tbh

That's how I've been doing it ever since figuring it out

[patent fossil]

Can do the whole incursion with just 4 dps though - decoy for turrets and emp sticky for drones & sniper turret

[fair ether]

What DPS builds would you recommend for incursion?

[delicate laurel]

Strikers

[orchid cloud]

Does anyone include kap card custom in their builds for that skill tier?

[fair ether]

Thanks

[fair ether]

It's really useful in groups when you throw your revive have to pick up a teammate.

[upper patrol]

Why that instead of Ceska?

for the chest i mean

[woeful swift]

crit damage boost

[upper patrol]

got it thx

[woeful swift]

i've heard ceska is equally good tho

or better

this is just what i had available

[ionic frost]

I know this is for builds, but can’t find a Chanel to help so what the best team for the new incursion

[upper patrol]

aight, asking bcs i am doing somethin similar, but my shotgun is the 20 rounds one

[woeful swift]

yeah i just saw in a video somewhere that this was the most consistent one to go for so i'm using it. if i find a ceska chestguard with good stats i might give it a try and see if i feel the difference

[upper patrol]

depends if you need the crit chance 😄

if you capped already then no need

[woeful swift]

what's the cap on crit chance?

[proper lagoon]

Got memento LMAO

what would be good for memento in a build?

striker?

[woeful swift]

i've seen striker and memento together in build videos a few times recently

[rich lotus]

im in need of a tank build any suggestions?
i have a healer and a DPS

[keen spire]

Check pinned spreadsheet

[nocturne moth]

I run memento and 4x Heartbreaker, what else should I use?

[vestal ibex]

Ceska

[hollow pasture]

I'm ngl after trying out exuro the only way this is viable as ur main source of damage (the turret) is with the perfectly skilled named chest

That cool down is horribly long I have no idea why the 2 attribute isnt skill haste

15% skill health is irrelevant when the turret will die on its own before the enemies even destroy it

[stray maple]

any idea how to build true patriot what stats and other pieces i can build with it?

[astral kraken]

Coming back after a while. What are people's thoughts on Lengmo?

I have a bulwark shield build that's 4pc foundry, sawyer's, and chillout mask for the extra PFE. And liberty pistol.

It has 50% PFE and 68% explosive resistance. I'm thinking... swap the chill out mask for a Lengmo. It'll bring explosive resistance to 88% (is there a cap?) but PFE will go down to 38%.

tbh that bulwark build is suuuuper specialized and i rarely even use it. but i can't think of any other use for lengmo.

[copper tusk]

Lengmo is only useful for incredibly specific builds

[astral kraken]

ok yea thats what i figured

any new builds in the past ~8 months that are super strong or fun?

[ionic frost]

How do I get shocker punch?

[stray maple]

last seasons bp or farm it on the holster targeted loot

pray to rnjesus youll get it

[round zinc]

does nonlethal grenades proc sledgehammer?

[long marlin]

whats the build for one tapping the incursion bosses kinda want to try speedrun down to 16 mins so far without

[slate wedge]

don't think so

[haughty edge]

I've read ppl do countdown on challenging for farming and not heroic. Is this correct?

[slate wedge]

chellenging is easier and faster but doesnt give as good loot but if you just farm for materials or credits challenging is better

[hexed steppe]

yeah farm challenging. you'll get a ton of loot and is equivalent to heroic open world drops. you will extract 99% of the time. itll be easier to carry someone with a non optimal build. also no build snobs kicking people. its only 50credits less than heroic.

[autumn moon]

Regarding the optimist talent Weapon Damage is increased by 4% for every 10% of ammo missing from the magazine.
If I had a shotgun or mmr with 5 rounds,does firing one shot mean I will have 8% weapon damage?

[slate wedge]

3%

[autumn moon]

Why 3?
I thought 1 round of a 5 round mag would be 20% of ammo missing

[slate wedge]

it gives you 3% per 10% of the ammo missing

[autumn moon]

Lol,yes 3.my mistake.was seeing perfect optimist

[haughty edge]

I hear ppl say their build does "x million dps". Is there a fixed stat that shows that on the char screen somewhere.

[slate wedge]

nope, mostly testing in the pratice range but that isn't 100% accurate

[sick flame]

Guys is it posible to make 1 Shot sniper build widouth that exotic bag. Or bag is mandatory

[wary tundra]

anyone know what type of dmg heartbreaker gives? listed in game as WD but makes more sense for it to be TWD

[slate wedge]

which bag?

[slate wedge]

it gives an amplifier if i am not conpketely dumb

[sick flame]

I think it is ninja bag or something like that. That give you reduced set piece.

[slate wedge]

not needed at all, habsburg or providence backpack with vigilance is way better

[proper lagoon]

ninja bag or memento or the watch ???? bag which wan is useful and very op for some builds

[orchid cloud]

whats the watch?

[proper lagoon]

just a the bag of watch

[patent fossil]

Probably memento, it has a bunch of watches on it

[chrome basin]

what would be better for an elmo striker build, dtc dta or something else

*on the elmo

[patent fossil]

Dtooc always

[chrome basin]

ty just rolled this

[patent fossil]

Winner winner

[delicate laurel]

Wow

[woven pewter]

Whoah! What kind of build snobs? Maybe i'm unlucky, but didnt meet them at heroic cd. 🤔

[hexed steppe]

Probably have a decent build/high enough shd... or both.
🤷‍♂️

[long marlin]

how much do you need to crit to one tap wraith in the incursion

[astral kraken]

Coming back after a long time. So it looks like Elmos allows me to drop Ceska on my Coyote's/Grupo/Contractor's/Fenris/Fox's build. Trying to decide what to put in its place...

Was thinking maybe Matador for the 5% WD?

[tranquil wave]

just go heroic, dont be a kid

[astral kraken]

Ceska is a backpack btw. Or maybe The Gift? I can click heads pretty well.

[hexed steppe]

🤣 It dont matter to me. 2 run an exo regardless. No gear to farm. No worries about someone's suboptimal build. I just foam the shit out of whatever and extract .

[tranquil wave]

Ofc, just not get paired w shd 50 agents who doesnt kill hunters, doesnt activate countermeasures and go to missions, youre gonna be fine

[hexed steppe]

No you want a damage talent on bag. You could pop in picaros and get a red core and another of your choice

[hexed steppe]

Who you trying to convince 😅
I cc 100% of the time so it doesnt matter where I'm at. Foamed npc can die slow or fast

[tranquil wave]

Noone
Run whatever ya'll like

But anyways, ppl who run challenging are bots

[hexed steppe]

I do 🍻

[tranquil wave]

Peace is never an option

[upper patrol]

For a Scorpio, is this good?

the crit dmg

[orchid cloud]

if u dont care too much about dttoc yes

and that calls for desperate measures like lacking chd but 60% chc

that will do

[upper patrol]

ty

[flint wave]

dttoc doesn't exist on old exotics like scorp

[orchid cloud]

ah my bad

[orchid cloud]

thats a god roll, yes its more than good

[flint wave]

[upper patrol]

oh lol, did not knew about that too

[fleet moss]

is determined any good for a sniper build?

[flint wave]

op on 85% of content

[fleet moss]

ok mint ty

[flint wave]

just use head hunter

[fleet moss]

is that on the chest?

[flint wave]

yes

[delicate laurel]

Play a game of whack a mole but intend of whacking moles you sniping heads

[bright raptor]

Standard Determined on bolt actions with Headhunter are good, but that's more a function of semi autos being bad

Open with a headshot on a red or purple, oneshot everyone else with Determined making bodyshots count as headshots

[fleet moss]

how does it work? is it i only need to hit one headshot the whole fight or do i need to do headshot then one kill then another headshot?

[sterile scarab]

What builds are players using to melt Johnson in part 4. We barely kill him every time with 3 all red striker builds and 1 healer with opportunistic?

[patent fossil]

One headshot to get you started, and one more each time you shoot a helmeted enemy, everything else bodyshots

[fleet moss]

i see thanks

[patent fossil]

4 striker works, getting a sledgehammer proc on him helps too

[sterile scarab]

How can we survive without the heal?

[patent fossil]

Kill faster. Emp sticky on sniper turret and heal box

Killed Johnson after 2nd Kidd down, being spread out helps too as fewer mortars to contend with

[sterile scarab]

Thanks

[round zinc]

So im a bit confused,how does hsd scale with chd

Can you,in theory stack enough chd and hsd to the point of making Relic(named g28 with perfect determined) viable?

[onyx sage]

you don't have enough stats

[patent fossil]

Hsd and chd are additive, so the returns aren't quite as good as you might hope. Relic base damage is too low to compare with usual WD setup.

[bright raptor]

yeah if you load up HSD and CHD you will crit once in a blue moon

[patent fossil]

you'd only do it with something like diamondback or relic where the crits are guaranteed but both are hampered by the base weapon

[hoary atlas]

The Apartment SMG is that good ?

[hexed steppe]

Make sure to keep an eye on your headhunter proc. Determined will reproc with shots on mini tanks or dogs after the death/blowup animation, but headhunter proc will be gone. You'll need to look for a red bar or sufficiently damaged npc so you can take their health pool down to get headhunter proc back.
If you have helmet npc, chunga/heavygunner/hyena rusher/etc , no matter where you place your shot it will spend both procs on the that shot and destroy the helmet. You will need actually headshot kill after this point to have it 1 shotting again. Make sure to have a good backup weapon. Elmo/scorpio both good as backups

[tawdry flare]

mhhh subpar smg

[hoary atlas]

Is that good ?

[tawdry flare]

no it is an average smg

[hoary atlas]

Okay

Also I'm tried gonna get Matador from Named cache

So Gonna Be catharsis, Zero F, Fox Prayer and Matador

[round zinc]

yea but the idea is that perf determined is a guaranteed crit headshot

[round zinc]

well thats just unfortunate

[bright raptor]

Headhunter proc returns after the Warhound completes its destruction animation

[thin patrol]

I like Apartment, because it suits my playing style when i use smg.

[woven pewter]

Only determined, not headhunter buff.

[hexed steppe]

It does not, actually. Determined proc returns, headhunter is spent.
I use it pretty much daily

[hexed steppe]

Perfect doesnt chain bodyshots like regular.

Also headhunter scales from the weapon damage, that's where the biggest boost would come from. Stacked with chd a crit headshot would be a little more damage but I dont think enough to make a huge difference. If setup decent you should be 1shotting anyways regardless

[autumn yacht]

if yall are tired of people having fun in dz heres a easy build to make

[tulip charm]

does it 2 tap people?

[autumn yacht]

yep

if their low armor it can one shot to the head

[tulip charm]

wild

[delicate agate]

Can someone link a healing build for new incursion pls?

[patent fossil]

just use the one in the pinned spreadsheet

[magic pilot]

Grupo gloves over contractors

Or running ceska gloves and matador since you need the extra bonus armor

And maybe optimist on shotgun, if you are going to use shield firewall is best option since it gives a huge dmg buff and you can pop shot with it

[autumn yacht]

yea after damage testing grupo gloves ceska back looks best

shotguns need nerf

[magic pilot]

Personally Itd be worth the slight dps drop for matador to keep intimidate up more

Also gunner gives bonus armor on medkit so that's not a bad option

[urban latch]

Oh look, mase is back... 🤦‍♂️

[nocturne moth]

Best tank build? is there an update sheet somewhere

[urban latch]

What "the best" is will depend on what your using it for, but there's an updated tank guide (mainly for IH) in the spreadsheet

[nocturne moth]

Where is the said spreadsheet is my second question

[onyx sage]

pinned here in this channel

[nocturne moth]

thank you kind sir

[woeful swift]

lol i just got this rerolling scorpio

decent?

[magic pilot]

If you use t2k you are gonna lack some crit

Run ceska over grupo

[woeful swift]

i keep hearing that, i'l farm some countdown for it tonight

[autumn yacht]

ur not gonna get stacks fast enoug

[woeful swift]

it's the same rpm as elmo

[livid horizon]

shame

[tawdry flare]

@half frigate found nug

[livid horizon]

yooo

[half frigate]

your late

[livid horizon]

i know, sorry

[woeful swift]

why

[half frigate]

dont feel bad so was souless

lol

[livid horizon]

cos you need Damage to Targets Out of Cover for most DPS@woeful swift

[half frigate]

Hey Nug

[tawdry flare]

Except for Scorpio

[livid horizon]

how so?

[tawdry flare]

And regulus and nemisis

[livid horizon]

cant change those

[tawdry flare]

Same with Scorpio lol

[woeful swift]

whats best?

[livid horizon]

hahahahahaha

swap speed on Elmos

[livid horizon]

dont worry, you cant change it

its a perfect roll you have, congrats

[woeful swift]

oh awesome

[bronze hound]

how would you alter a striker build to fit ouroboros

heres what ive done so far

[tawdry raven]

i did coyote grupo strikers

grupo chest*

[bronze hound]

ouroboros stacks striker chest so damned quick i wont even bother

[tawdry raven]

eh i just dont like strikers chest

even with ouroburos

[bronze hound]

i dont like being bottlenecked

if that makes sense

[hexed steppe]

Trade forge for grupo. More damage

[tawdry raven]

its more having the conistancy for me

[bronze hound]

i run forge for shield health

oh also i normally run fixer drone idk why hive equipped lmao

[tawdry raven]

consistency*

[hexed steppe]

At 30m burst do you really need a shield 😅

[tawdry raven]

whats a good build for this, its stats are insane

[bronze hound]

striker shield = more dps

[bronze hound]

sleeper

honk mimimimimimimimimimimi

[hexed steppe]

Grupo also more damage

[bronze hound]

but less shield

should i swap FP for grupo

[hexed steppe]

No

[shadow gorge]

for heroic build dps strikeer all red except 2 mod is ok?

because i die so fast

[hexed steppe]

Ceska chest oblit, coyote mask, chc to >50% rest chd for solid damage

If going all red you need to go all in with mods. Use gunner to get some aok.
If you want more survivability (will be less damage) swap coyote for memento

[shadow gorge]

ok i have coyote because i playng in group but is cumulable with other coyote mask?

also these mod is stukked because cannot change it

with expertise 12

[hexed steppe]

If at different ranges all 3 buffs can proc

[urban latch]

what? are you talking about a gear mod?

[shadow gorge]

no mod included on item

[urban latch]

what is it?

[shadow gorge]

is regen because is for another build but now want find another piece and start on expertise 0

[urban latch]

are you talking about an attribute or a gear mod?

[shadow gorge]

yes sorry but i playng during write 😄

in any cases i have fenris also

[urban latch]

going off very little information here, but I think you've already recalibrated the item once, so you cant recalibrate a different stat on it. Also more of a general rule, dont waste materials raising experience levels on gear, especially past 10 where your wasting exotic components

[shadow gorge]

cannot recaliblate anymore because i upgraded it time ago

[urban latch]

you cant recalibrate it since you (I assume since its still not clear) already recalibrated something else on it. It doesnt have anything to do with upgrading its experience level, but it sounds like you did waste materials on it

[shadow gorge]

says cannot recaliblate it

for this reason i says it but for me is same because i prefer regen

i not think is only for this 2 mod cannot handle the heroic

[hexed steppe]

Post a screenshot of the build. Will be better able give advice that way.

[shadow gorge]

ok if can wait a while because im whit friend now

and fighting. But i need finish the upgrade certain things

i find one second for it 🙂

[upper patrol]

Am i unlucky or the backpack is hard to get with good mods?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah drop the knee, drop striker chest.
The blue rolls dont help in a build like this an I'm guessing you rarely hit 200 stacks.
Use ceska chest , obliterate talent, with chc/chd rolls. Everything else with chd rolls and chd mods. This will put you at 52%chc and max possible chd .
You are probably lacking chc and thatll hurt your dps. All red builds survive very easily in heroic but the dps has to be there. Also need to use cover, shield is good but dont rely on it to tank.
Gunner is good for aok and probably best option , could also use tech and get a free skill tier for your shield.

[shadow gorge]

yes i remember the alternative about it but is really necessary for survive it?

or maybe is a bug?

[tulip charm]

Yes

[shadow gorge]

not is a bug like double companion?

[urban latch]

High end backpacks and chests are always the hardest to get because your trying to get 3/4 potential rolls correct instead of 2/3 for other high end pieces, or 1/2 for gearsets

[hexed steppe]

Are you surviving in current setup?

[shadow gorge]

not alone

but maybe is my fault because i not have skil

[hexed steppe]

What are you critical chance and critical damage numbers sitting at

[urban latch]

Omg you've wasted so many materials leveling gear and you haven't leveled your weapons....

[shadow gorge]

59,9, critical change and

critical 122 percent

the weapon i not levelled because before i got a eagle bearer and swap with it

same for new chest if i make it

but not want start from strach again

[hexed steppe]

Crit chance is good but you are using useful attribute space on chc by not using the ceska and the having blue rolls.
It's not a bad thing to get a few new pieces and see the results. Dont expertise any other gear other than weapons until you are really set. As long as this current loadout is saved you'll be able to revert back... but try some of the suggestions.

Another notable set is hunters fury it gives a lot of armor on kill and also disorients surrounding npc whenever you kill as well.

[shadow gorge]

ok i tryng it late 🙂 thx

but for the ceska

[merry stone]

does btsu datagloves work on healing hive skills??

[urban latch]

yes

[rich cosmos]

Yes, that’s actually a major use of them

[hollow pasture]

Quite enjoying this striker bighorn build
Rolled every attribute into HSD
205%HSD (says 21.3 cuz it's bugged 😂)

[autumn yacht]

aw naw

[woeful swift]

what does hsd stand for

[hexed steppe]

Headshot damage

[woeful swift]

fucking. facepalm

of course lmao

[hexed steppe]

😅 no worries

Lots of acronyms thrown around

[woeful swift]

for sure

that's the only one that somehow stumped me so far lol

[hollow pasture]

CHD CHC HSD WD DTOOC DTA ROF

Pretty easy to remember after a while

[woeful swift]

on a striker build, how much chc and chd do you preferably want?

i've got 58% chc right now, is that too much

[hollow pasture]

That's fine

[woeful swift]

only 100.1% chd

it would be higher if i was boosted from shd level but i'm missing 30ish percent from that

[hollow pasture]

Chd you should aim for 160-70 imo

My strikers st elmos has 164chd

[woeful swift]

is that with god rolls on all your armor and such

and mods

[hollow pasture]

Yes everything maxed

Maybe except for a CHC mod

[woeful swift]

yeah i'm not there at all yet

[hollow pasture]

That's fine you'll get there

[woeful swift]

for sure

i really want to get the pistol at the dz vendor before reset on tuesday but it's such a slog lol

[cursive bobcat]

how is this build to run in incursion not finshed yet

[vestal ibex]

Use a setup, lefty, chem launcher and try to get chems to have a 16ish second cool down.

[cursive bobcat]

What other skill should I use

[rich cosmos]

My guy

You do realize how ninja bike backpack works right?

Jesus I’m blind nvm

Not my proudest moment being tired and stupid

[cursive bobcat]

😂 to funny u good bro

[urban latch]

You want the repair chem launcher, and especially for the incursion bosses you want perfect sledge and survivalist spec for the fire grenades

[round zinc]

My man rocking that btsu ninjabag healer build🗣️🔥🔥

Btsu 2nd brand bonus being 90000% weapon damage get dat striker build outta here

[hollow pasture]

Nah
Detonate ur hive and ur teammates hives cover the whole mission space when deployed

And have 15 charges

[flint wave]

one day

[upper patrol]

so just got this... first time on the mission, what is the BiS gear build for this?

[bronze hound]

Damn those rolls

[hollow pasture]

Slap it on anything and it could probably succeed

[upper patrol]

good enough? xD

[delicate laurel]

jack of all trades

[urban latch]

It's basically bis for any non-HH DPS build, but just to name the main ones, striker, hunters fury, and nego

[bronze hound]

It's gonna get nerfed lmao

[delicate laurel]

prob next downtime

[hollow pasture]

Seems the next actual patch they have lined up is 19. 2 but since seasons are longer now that could be a month from now lol

[delicate laurel]

all i care about is the cat ears

[hollow pasture]

That's in like a week so not that far tbh

[delicate laurel]

i can be kawaii lmao

[noble dirge]

I've been trying Ouroboros with Umbra Initiative, NinjaBike Messenger Pads and Ammo Dump with full red cores and Firewall.

It eviscerated a Hunter in mere seconds.

[urban latch]

it sounds like you watched a clickbait YT video...

[noble dirge]

You could replace the NB with Coyote's mask too.

[hollow pasture]

Why ammo dump

[noble dirge]

Screwing around. If I wanted to get serious, I'd use something like Contractor's Gloves or Fox's Prayer with Coyote's mask.

[noble dirge]

I pine for the days of full exotic builds in D2

[tawdry raven]

is it 20 exotic components for expertise lvl after 20?

[onyx sage]

yes

[tawdry raven]

Nice...

[upper patrol]

But don't i need to roll this till it hit max stats?

for min maxing? or is there a way to push the stats further?

[forest snow]

For full PVE we should be able to go full exotic across the board. Or at least have the option to

[noble dirge]

I would die for the ability to compliment my Ouroboros with my Chameleon. Just need an exotic Kriss KARD

[tawdry flare]

I don't think that will make synergy for gear for weapons it will be op