td2-build-advice

[elder delta]

Fast rpm. 20% crit chance muzzle. Shock bullets. Can shock something and get free stacks with AA12 frame shotty

Big fan

One of the most busted weapons I’ve ever used

[rich cosmos]

Im drained from strikers

I genuinely just want to avoid strikers

[trail hinge]

Relatable feels

[sweet chasm]

Hello if anyone want to know talent of new exotic pm

[rich cosmos]

Most people already knew it

[rich cosmos]

Is stinger hive worth making a pve build for?

[sullen sun]

Good build or no? He has a 371 HSD 😳

[urban latch]

No

[sullen sun]

Wouldn’t that be a one hit down?

[sturdy flower]

ouroboros is far from BiS

it's useable at most in challenging

any higher and it's not worth using

[sullen sun]

What’s BiS? Is that a gen Z thing?

[trail hinge]

...

Best in Slot

It's a gaming thing

[onyx sage]

not even close, perfect focus only increases your damage by 60% here while headhunter would be at least double

[sturdy flower]

the way you have to play around Ouroboros to even use its full potential it just isn't safe to use in Heroic or Legendary

you gotta be semi-suicidal with it

[sullen sun]

So why’s he have 371 HSD??

[onyx sage]

stacking full hsd doesn't mean they do the most damage

[sullen sun]

Interesting

[sturdy flower]

in PvP ouro is even more useless with the hazpro meta

you're just using a .45 vector with slightly higher rof at that point

the talent isn't gonna do anything

[rich cosmos]

Feel like they need to buff the talent

[sturdy flower]

You're better off just with a normal .45 Vector or a P90 that just has a decent general talent you can use

[round zinc]

Its a SMG i can definitely see it working in heroic

Its mostly the juiced stat thats the draw here,like st elmos

The talent is literally DoA

Its basically in theory the best non shotgun dps weapon i think

50 round mag,1.4 sec reload time,damage of a .45 ACP vector with the highest RPM of any weapon in the game

[sturdy flower]

I would still just rather use an exotic with a talent that is actually useful in most content

[hollow pasture]

Yea but funny gun go brrrrr

[round zinc]

For comparison a MPX with spotter would still lose to ouroboros

[sturdy flower]

between that an a normal .45 vec you're looking at maybe like a 1 or 2 bullets of damage in dps loss with a full set of oblit + striker stacks

[round zinc]

Like if you mean like utility talents like future perfect sure

All 3 vector variants lose to it for raw dps talent or not

If you want utility talents then all exotics are worse than HE by default

[quartz imp]

Starting to get somewhere on my FI build - any recommendations/advice I should be aware of? I've been getting good value on Heroic missions so I maybe want to dip my toes into a Legendary or two here at some point.

[sturdy flower]

I'm tempted to pull out Eclipse Protocol and troll a little bit

[vocal badger]

Try to get a alps bookbag with safeguards and btsu gloves

[quartz imp]

Gotcha, thanks for the guidance! 👍

[vocal badger]

I feel like the ninjabike knee pads is useless in this

[urban latch]

Safeguard is basically useless, opportunistic is much better on that build

[onyx sage]

^, you really do not need to heal more as it is most effective to run mostly red builds for damage, and those do not need much healing to be effective, but any team will appreciate the damage buff from oppo

[tawdry flare]

division has oppo sponsorship 👀

[quartz imp]

Thanks for the explanation. I looked at the perk description for Opportunistic and was sort of confused on why that would be a better choice than Safeguard, but now that you've laid it out this does make sense

Pretty sure I already have crazy amounts of healing anyways so, yeah, that's a good point

[onyx sage]

if you heal someone to 100% without safeguard, you do not need safeguard

[bronze hound]

Which you should be doing by default

[quartz imp]

Understood! Thanks

[round zinc]

Yup,LMG aint good,knee aint good too

[vocal badger]

Yeah I changed the kneepads to grupo

[round zinc]

You know

Im having a serious debate on whether you should build into weapon handling for lmgs

[hazy valve]

i got ittt lol

[tawdry flare]

yeah i got it too

[tulip charm]

what did you do?

[hollow pasture]

Yea now I know too

[tawdry flare]

i didn't do anything my friend did he opened a gate and it had a key so we just opened the locked gate just behind

[candid night]

Fire ammo will be intact with nb in this build

[hollow pasture]

Yea that key is behind a painting after the boss that spawns out of a door after the tanker
Interact with it

[tulip charm]

Oh

I'll do it when I level 40 my third char tomorrow

[hazy valve]

When u kill the first boss, the moment u go through the door, look to ur left, there a painting, press it and get the key from the water fall

[rich lotus]

What does more damage on the incinerator turret? Skill damage or status effects?

[proper lagoon]

help me build and suggest me something to my item that will be useful as hell

sorry if i did something wrong i have no nitro 25mb bro

so #td2-build-advice help me i have no nitro so i had to do this im not doing it for view just for the build advice and suggestion

[tulip charm]

Pinned comments and pick a build that interest you.

[ripe scarab]

Was the change to vigilance intentional?? Or bug? when I have my shield out vigilance disables when the shield takes damage

[proper lagoon]

i can't find any interesting to me i think there's missing

just send help or help me suggest me or an builds pls?

[tranquil wave]

Gotta say, Elmo's/Famas with DTTOS of course (even better if you got atleast 10+ expertise) + 4 pc strikers + Fenris Chest (Obl) + Contractor's Gloves = melts anything.
50+ chc
Rest chd

Fully red cores on everything

[proper lagoon]

will try and save if not good enough seems i gotta scour through this build advice again but anyways

[orchid cloud]

Pls put a 6% chc mod

[tranquil wave]

Don't need chc at PvE to be at 60%

[tranquil wave]

Main thing that i've switched the gloves, contractor just melts named or elite enemies so

That damage to armour damn well does the work

[proper lagoon]

contractor okay

[tranquil wave]

Yuh, just gotta use cover a little bit more but overall it's probably one of the best sets for AR i've personally used

[proper lagoon]

so no defense?

[tranquil wave]

I don't personally use since i'm used to run and hide behind stuff so

But please, use a defender drone or something to your liking

• Since i'm playing with 3-4 directives i have to choose beside 1/2 skills :/ so i prefer a decoy

[proper lagoon]

my axel has maxed out dmg and weapon handling

@tranquil wave What's your modifier tho

@tranquil wave is this okay now?

did not work but someday be more useful i just gotta adjust and fix it

[tranquil wave]

What are you going for with this build?

Pm me @proper lagoon

[proper lagoon]

tried to create a flame build

[livid horizon]

why 1 hunters fury and 1 striker?

[flint wave]

placeholders, hopefully

[tranquil wave]

He's new, teaching him rn in dm's

[ionic frost]

Is this any good hybrid build for tank and dps????

[hexed steppe]

Using ceska in place of fenris would have you sitting @ 52% chc (elmo) just with 2 chc rolls (instead of 4),and allow for 24% more chd. I'm sure the 24%extra chd outweighs the 10% ar damage buff of fenris.

I'm assuming you are using 4 chc rolls/mods currently to hit 54%

[wary tundra]

are Weapon Damage and Total Weapon Damage still in separate dmg pools? every source i see claiming they are is years old

[hexed steppe]

Yes separate pools.
Same with skill damage and total skill damage

[wary tundra]

ty. was seeing a lot of newer resources where the math says otherwise

[lethal bay]

Any idea about Uroboros build? Striker + sombra + sokolov sounds nice (890k per bullet in head) but any other alternatives?

[patent fossil]

Hunters fury

[proper lagoon]

dunno but it really worked i changed it to striker's mask and chest and gloves too

[tranquil wave]

I have Ceska chest with obl aswell, just a preference.

[hexed steppe]

Hopfully you swapped out the other 2 exuro pieces as well for ceska and grupo at least.
1pc green sets dont offer anything but a core/no set bonus/1 missing attribute.

[tranquil wave]

I can tell he's a new player so i advised him to farm himself a easy strikers dps build

[hexed steppe]

Should range test it. Ig you could prefer less damage 😅

[tranquil wave]

And then he can progress further with op builds

[tranquil wave]

Yep, gonna do it rn.

Well idk

Works decent

either build shreds in PvE

[woven pewter]

Thats the pretty standard striker loadout. :p Most of players, if not everyone use that combo.

[proper lagoon]

oh

guys

#td2-build-advice Hunter Build? I have a lot of hunter item including those with shocks rounds like st elmo and other like emp and more

shock trap or sticky emp or both or emp sticky and stinger hive

[tranquil wave]

Yep.

[radiant heron]

Is a striker build more powerful than a high end glass cannon vigilance build?

[proper lagoon]

say 1 if the shock trap or sticky emp say 2 if sticky emp/shocktrap and stinger hive

[sterile estuary]

I know Scropio Fury is a bit outdated, but this is my old DPS build. Is it still viable or should I just build into St Elmo DPS?

[proper lagoon]

hmm

that's kinda good

but stick to the scropio or any shock rounds and so emp then boom you have the hunter supreme

[sterile estuary]

Not sure what you mean here, may I ask you to clarify?

Either use Scropio/Elmo, and change Banshee to EMP?

Oh this is for PVE btw.

[proper lagoon]

yea

also for the countdown

[sterile estuary]

Alright, I'll try that out later, thanks much!

[livid horizon]

Always use 4 peices of a gearset.

[tranquil wave]

Strikers =

[proper lagoon]

Striker=Sucks The Health becomes a leech and a sipper of mentats

[tranquil wave]

Can't expect everyone to like it, it's basic dps gear set

Idk really why ppl don't like strikers but aight

[bronze hound]

That's the wrong one?

[tawdry flare]

scorpio fury is never outdated

[tawdry flare]

You should tell us ehat comm do you want lol

[bronze hound]

Second one after wright

I've been saying that

Lmao

There should be one or two fire extinguishers inside it

[tawdry flare]

got it lmfao but don't know how

[bronze hound]

Bruhv

[hexed steppe]

striker most popular dps when I mm into anything. 👍
Also top single target damage

[bronze hound]

In the incursion Tuesday I was hitting for 1.4-1.6 per shot

[tranquil wave]

yep, if not pvp why bother using anything else for pve exept raids and new location

[bronze hound]

I found HHF to be a dream on the first two bosses

Moreso the first

[harsh crest]

Does anyone have this new exotic Vest?

[bronze hound]

I'm sure someone in the world does

[haughty edge]

I've come back to the game. I'm doing the manhunt atm. I've finished all story content, wony etc. only SHD level 43.
I'm just so lost on what to look for in a starter build. Haven't really got into building specific builds in the game. Is there any info about for a starter build to aim for. Mostly solo pve

[hexed steppe]

Check out the pinned spreadsheet. Tons of proven builds and updated each season.

Notable builds are:

Striker -dps
Hunters fury- dps

High end AFK- turret/drone skill build

Eclipse protocol fire build- status effect build with big damage spread

Eclipse protocol riot foam- crowd control status build for higher level content ( group with another dps player for best results)

All are fairly easy to setup and run as a new agent.
There are a ton of other builds in the pinned sheet that will be more specialized as well

[haughty edge]

Cheers for that.
I just found a video that kind of breaks down what everything means. It seems good, 40mins tho, but I'll watch it tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pbPDhrgpA0

That one, seems relevant, pretty new

[hexed steppe]

Yeah once you get into it you'll find some brands are fairly universal for the different types of builds .

[haughty edge]

I'm sick of using the Chamelon, swear I can't find another good primary

[bronze hound]

Famas and Elmo are both better wdym you can't find one

[haughty edge]

wdym? sorry

[bronze hound]

What do you mean

[haughty edge]

I just came back not really sure what's out there or how to get specific items

[bronze hound]

you farm for them

[haughty edge]

I looked up Elmo but it mentioned S1 reward track

oh alright, so it's still on a loot table in the game?

[hazy steeple]

Once a season is over, all Exotics from a Season Pass (which are free at the time as well) go into the general loot pool.

see Elmo, Coyotes, etc, etc.

[haughty edge]

Holy shit. It all makes sense now. ><

I kept seeing builds and going, damn, that weapons not avail anymore.

Thanks!

[tranquil wave]

Elmo/Famas r best AR atm

[halcyon prism]

I also need to go find that elmo too

[umbral grotto]

What’s a good dps build and also a tanking build? I have striker, umbra, and heartbreaker set’s already but I can go in power plant and get the sets

[bronze hound]

like, both at the same time?

or

[tranquil wave]

I meaan, hybrid?

[umbral grotto]

No they can be separated

Or a hybrid i new to this stuff

[bronze hound]

4 piece striker + backpack with ceska chest and coyotes mask

[tranquil wave]

Yep, maybe few blue cores if u want some survivability

[bronze hound]

and for tanking you want 3 improv (requires crafting), pointman, catharsis, and belstone backpack with ad rush

[bronze hound]

everything rolled with armour, explosive resistance, and hazpro

[tranquil wave]

PvPers, bleed build thoughts?

[haughty edge]

I got my first named just then since the chat above. Born Great AR. Not sure if it's good tho

[tranquil wave]

Can drops armour to 1.4-1.3

[tranquil wave]

Countdown -> Famas/Elmo's

[haughty edge]

Countdown? I've heard about Famas and Elmo's haven't got them yet.

[tranquil wave]

Get em, Elmo's af annoying in pvp if you don't have haz build.

[haughty edge]

Yeah I've just kind of started "end game". Farming etc

[tranquil wave]

Famas overall is one of meta AR but Elmo's is just weapon without any recoil tbh.

[tranquil wave]

Yep, countless Coutdown runs to farm yourself some builds.

[proper lagoon]

i got a btsu datagloves and some bloody knuckles maxed out by unboxing and i got sawyers kneepads and some bullet king godrolled?

[bronze hound]

congrats you got one good exotic

[proper lagoon]

i grinded those exotics on countdown and lvling up

tommorow i will do the same thing again

[flint island]

Anybody got Ouroboros already? Have meet some players use it already in DZ

[blissful rampart]

lots of people have so far, amazing gun but with crappy talen lol (at least for pve)

[hazy valve]

Azure, I've been told the gun isn't bis, is that true lol

[blissful rampart]

highest dps smg in the game now too.

[blissful rampart]

completely false lol, its bis for cqb builds highest dps by far.

[hazy valve]

Bet

[blissful rampart]

like famas with strained is about 716 base dps.
Ora base dps is 1,000,643 🤣

^^ this is for pve. might still be bis for PVP too but different scaling there

[hazy valve]

I was thinking ouroboros with hunter fury and perfect wicked

[blissful rampart]

standard cqb build 👍

[hazy steeple]

I might finally update my HF build for the first time in about 2 years.

[bronze hound]

the delete button doesnt count as updating

[hazy steeple]

I never understood why some people seem to hate HF that much. It's got a wonderful balance of DPS and survivability, and it works great in Heroic w/Directives.
What's not to love?

[glossy scarab]

hey did you dm me like a week ago? i just saw it today and it wouldnt let me respond

HF is a very powerful set if you play it like youre supposed to

one of the best in the game

[blissful rampart]

HF also much stronger now cause of Ora exo 😃

[urban latch]

Regular wicked with a useful brandset is generally better

[hazy steeple]

mp5 w/strained and oblit were doing pretty alright by itself already, I'm excited to see how it handles with the switch-up.

[lyric prism]

new gear set is giggly but sorta buggy. anyone found a better than normal setup or really only good in enclosed areas you can rank the spawn point in?

[vocal badger]

The handling on the iron lung is good

[round zinc]

how's the reload?

[hazy steeple]

"Handling" in div2 is reload/swap-speed/accuracy/stability.
So that should cover it.

[lyric prism]

looks like an M60 so M60 speeds?

[vocal badger]

It’s slow

[flint wave]

man famas is weak

[blissful rampart]

iron lung is a great LMG, just cause it has higher base damage, still and LMG though. also bad talent QQ

[hazy steeple]

I'm imagining a gun at Lvl 40 that does 700 damage and I kinda wanna try it.

[flint wave]

Sleigher:

[vocal badger]

This is a video of the build

[candid night]

Technically talent is similar to elmo just different status effect

[candid night]

Wow that's bad

[round zinc]

thats faster than most LMGs but eh

[blissful rampart]

yes and no, lol elmo talent is much better cause it doesnt drop.

[lyric prism]

what is the Iron Lung talent?

[hazy steeple]

Ardent:

When the meter is full, rounds shot by the weapon will ignite enemies.
When not shooting, the meter constantly depletes. Reloading or swapping to another weapon fully depletes the meter."```

[lyric prism]

so its a shoot to heat it up and then blip the trigger to set them on fire. crowd control weapon.

otherwise, hrm.

does the ignite dot work w/ status effect?

sorta going to guess no.

[blissful rampart]

havent tested it but it should but since its a base fire, not worth it at all (just like for elmo shock)

[flint wave]

Iron lung + ninjabike knees = infinite fire ammo?

[vocal badger]

Takes to long to jump or go to cover

[lyric prism]

only niche I could see that useful for is multiple spawn points and needing to control 1-2 of them.

easier just to have higher rpm and static bonus weapons.

[flint wave]

Cover to cover can be triggered off moving a few inches sometimes

[blissful rampart]

just ignore the iron lung talent, (low uptime and drains super fast) still a great LMG just because of its high base damage thouhg

[flint wave]

Or turning a corner using cover to cover

It does not take long

[blissful rampart]

ninjabike knees reload from vaulting is super fast, NOT takes too long. issue is having cover to vault

cover to cover reload part is meh though (you can already reload during the cover to cover move)

[lyric prism]

yea but I think he means the kneepads to keep the ignite ammo. I guarantee if that works now, it won't after its known to work.

kneepads only do base ammo not special ammo as far as I know

[blissful rampart]

proably works tbh since the reload from ninja knees does NOT count as a normal reload.

[flint wave]

I doubt it's gonna be op but I think it's legit if you find one of those thick blocks of cover that allow you turn corners

You can trigger cover to cover off that

[lyric prism]

have to get iron lung and try some stuff bc game.

topic, ToTs/chainkiller. how much dmg loss is there now?

damn, buff doesn't last at all.

[blissful rampart]

TOTS sniper is completely dead. new sniper is now the hots shot

[lyric prism]

oh. great.

well at least w/ WD/determined I can potato aim.

[vestal ibex]

Wasn't it already tho?

[blissful rampart]

nope

[patent fossil]

Could actually be amazing if it works, tagging multiple enemies with fire to stop them shooting you, then burning them down without suppressing them due to the cc

[blissful rampart]

tots sniper and hots shot builds were near the same, but now with the nerf, tots sniper is dead.

[lyric prism]

so Chainkiller/Gift/4pHotshot rolled headshot and go for it?

[patent fossil]

Airaldi bp instead of gift but yeah

[blissful rampart]

build guide for it on the sheet 😛

[lyric prism]

oh yea.

[patent fossil]

Or 2pc hapsburg if you can get the rolls

[blissful rampart]

also 3pc hots shot

[little wraith]

Where is this sheet?

[lyric prism]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[blissful rampart]

pinned this channel

[little wraith]

Thanks

[lyric prism]

someone should remove the ToTs setup.

[vestal ibex]

There isn't much of a difference between all the sniper builds you guys talk about anyway. NBB is probably best used for the sniper build anyway.

choosing violence

[tawdry flare]

May TOTS RIP

[blissful rampart]

NBB is worst option 😛 as it nerfs your upfront damage

upfront damage matters the most since you want to stack HH quick and consistantly. after that HH does all the lifting

[hazy valve]

uses nemesis and one shots lol

[vestal ibex]

Oh do you know the extent of the vigi bug? I do have less overall damage while at full stacks and HF with regulus regardless of vigi.

[blissful rampart]

vigi is bugged atm and shield hits drop the buff.

[vestal ibex]

I could chain for something over 19 mil with my reg HH HF build now it's like 18.3 when fully stacked. It's like something else is different.

[blissful rampart]

i know of no other bugs with it tbh

there could be a ninja change to the HH formula though, who knows

[lyric prism]

and my araldi pack is gone. hrm

[vestal ibex]

This is what I'm wondering.

I'll probably do the obvious and check my builds and items first then see about pulling up spreadsheets that were relatively accurate cause of rounding and comparing from there. Not gonna say I'm not dum and messed up something but am kinda dum.

[lyric prism]

why not The Gift.

[patent fossil]

Max hh stack size scales with weapon damage but not headshot damage

[lyric prism]

Gift is weapon dmg on its bonus.

[patent fossil]

It really isn't

[hexed steppe]

not the brand tho

[patent fossil]

Brand bonus, obviously

[lyric prism]

explain then.

[vestal ibex]

It's the same as vigi

[hexed steppe]

perf and regular are same damage

[vestal ibex]

Time is the only diff.

[lyric prism]

ok, good to know. ty

[vestal ibex]

See the yellow part of the talent? That's always the perfect change.

[lyric prism]

yea I see why now.

[vestal ibex]

I'm just saying that's the case with every perfect version as well as the stats on like WD and mop

[lyric prism]

its 1 sec.

ya

[hexed steppe]

i been getting a lot of use out of memento on my HH build tbh

[lyric prism]

i thought it was 20% on normal vig.

[vestal ibex]

Someone is gonna say ah 1 sec is 25% more damage

[hexed steppe]

perf vig is 25% more dps right 🤣

too funny

[lyric prism]

so I was wrong. I have a near perfect Gift except the wep handling but I can see a replacement would not hurt.

[hexed steppe]

i love those arguements. when dealing with numbers so low and someone throws out a big percentage like it means anything 😅

[vestal ibex]

I love it when it's only going to be affected by player skill or team play elements.

[blissful rampart]

well actually 🤓

[lyric prism]

the reload time alone would eat up the 1 sec.

[vestal ibex]

But you have to take damage and loose it for that reupping of time to matter.

[dull ermine]

Can it still work for tac 50 or no? (Is tac 50 worse than say nemesis)

[blissful rampart]

although the gift for normal builds is now a big buff lol since Vigil drops on shield hits now 😭

[vestal ibex]

Even then if you are full stacked and over their health several mil it's not going to change a thing.

[hexed steppe]

well, ig with ouroboros that 1 second is half a mag 🍻

[dull ermine]

I like the tac 50 🥲

[blissful rampart]

i meant its dead for HH builds

[dull ermine]

Yes that’s what I mean using the tac 50 as the main sniper rifle

[blissful rampart]

well tots is buffed for spec weapons but nerfed for everything else

[hexed steppe]

its an easy shift to hotshot anyways

[vestal ibex]

What's tac hit for on a hots sniper build? Probs like 50ish mil?

[dull ermine]

I’m asking if you can primary tac 50 😭 with the constant spec ammo

[blissful rampart]

cant remember

its more ammo now but not constant still. cant 24/7 it

[lyric prism]

now to think of a use for ToTS...firewall setup for pure giggles?

[dull ermine]

I thought people did that with eclipse 😂

[lyric prism]

that is giggles yes.

my giggle comes from the Stovepipe mission and an EMP setup.

mechanics say what.

[dull ermine]

I didn’t really get that mission, is it intended to be hard bc all your fighting is mauraders and warhounds?

[lyric prism]

that sniper thing has a name 'TD1 legendary Hunter' bc of the insane health.

maybe just me.

[spice rapids]

Quick question
Which gun is this

[urban latch]

New incursion exotic, ouroboro

[spice rapids]

ty

[merry stone]

tired of running top tier weapons like st elmo/fama. is carbine 7 good??

[blissful rampart]

famas, M4 and Carbine 7, king breaker are the top ones and then elmo also up there. for ARs

[lyric prism]

Carbine 7 (personal opinion) feels like the best balance of RPM/recoil/damage to me, hardest part is getting one with the right rolls.

[merry stone]

its the least dropped non-exotic ar for me

[lyric prism]

Yea it always felt that way. Even with the drop rate getting the right base rolls was always the problem. I farmed off/on in Countdown with loot set to AR's. out of the 80'ish I got, 3 I kept.

and 1 I got rid of bc it was so low.

[vestal ibex]

All about DTTOOC and just optimize.

[tawdry flare]

1% all rolls

[merry stone]

whats the best ar talent btw??

[tawdry flare]

for all red crit build strained/fast hands

[thin patrol]

Myself prefer Shield Splinterer when using AR

[tawdry flare]

it is a good ar

[blissful rampart]

Shield Splinterer decent but lacks mod 😭

[tawdry flare]

ask @bronze hound to make it happen in next patch

[bronze hound]

fuck no

[hasty seal]

Hey does anyone know a good all around build for the incursion for part 2 at least

[bronze hound]

just generic dps

[hasty seal]

So a strike could work?

[lyric prism]

wish I had it.

[vestal ibex]

Do the DC hunters yo.

[lyric prism]

think i got two left, need to check. Just never finished them.

[merry stone]

is perfect unstoppable worse than strikers right??

[vestal ibex]

I'm thinking Striker chest and backpack with coyotes and ceska is going to become the best option. ACS for stacks and ride it out with a good AR. Can just ACS the bosses for more damage than your AR too.

[hasty seal]

So the Rock and roll asc for stacks and I'm guessing st elmos or famas or maybe a police m4 could work

[vestal ibex]

Your fav AR yeah. With a good team running three of these builds (some don't have to run coyotes) and an FI healer sub 20s are super easy.

[hasty seal]

Thx

I just want the new smg cause I have a build for it all eady

[vestal ibex]

First run of the week is most important.

[blissful rampart]

yea from what im seeing and hearing, 3 striker dps +1 FI healer for sub 20. and even faster if the 3 strikers all have Ora smg.

[flint wave]

Do enemies have that much health on incurison?

[hasty seal]

Their mostly elite so I'm guessing it's just the base elite

[vestal ibex]

I'm wondering if the striker DCH HSD is gonna become common cause you can over damage the one boss thru his phases.

[flint wave]

If it's the base elite why 3 strikers

[blissful rampart]

from what ive heard it seems like between heroic and legendary scaling but cant confirm yet.

[flint wave]

Not with regulus being in iron horse

[hasty seal]

They said it is harder than legendary but when I ran it in was like heroic

[blissful rampart]

it could be, but yea for sub 10 they are using striker HSD DCH combos to 1 shot axe boss and also love birds lol (of course with other buffs too)

[vestal ibex]

I'd put it under tidal and above capitol but if you've got a good team with coms it's more like DUA

[onyx sage]

it's not gonna be solo zoo right

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but it's just op+scorp+sledge. super ez.

[blissful rampart]

the mechanics alone i think make it harder then legnedary tbh. since they really dont have mechanics.

[onyx sage]

i haven't played it

[flint wave]

Can't even play legendary zoo because I can't change main mission difficulty off dc and ny

[blissful rampart]

achilies too.

[hasty seal]

Ya DUA is the only on I've completed is could it be as bad as Roosevelt?

[vestal ibex]

I mean it's water a guy and pull two people apart. Once you figure it out it's super ez and then it's just RNG on love birds imo.

[onyx sage]

roosevelt is just long and is more of an endurance test. DUA is shorter but more close quarters

with strats you can make roosevelt easier but it won't make it necessarily that much shorter if it makes sense

[hasty seal]

Ya I did DUA hated it

I just had a dps build for it

[onyx sage]

capitol is very close quarters and much more fast paced than the other 2

[blissful rampart]

@onyx sage you may need to change your icon soon 😛 quick math puts Ora out dps Famas + focus lol (ora + any dps chest talent)

[vestal ibex]

Incursion is all pretty much in your face. You can ACS almost the entire thing.

[onyx sage]

it's okay i can't use oro in my solo runs anyway because i can't get oro solo 💤

[blissful rampart]

lol

[onyx sage]

i see. i'll keep an eye out this weekend when i play with my clan

[vestal ibex]

Was gonna say you could come hang with us if you wanna run it sometime but I saved it for my clan peeps too. Gonna start teaching and helping everyone run it.

idk if I'll start speed running it yet tho. I'm probaly gonna at least try to get some one shot builds ready and just do extra damage to shave time off in runs tho.

[onyx sage]

tbh i'm really trying to make some time this weekend for it. work is making us crunch nights ahead of our product soft launch so i'm really struggling atm

would love to run with you guys

[copper tusk]

I heard that vigilance was nerfed? Is that true and what's the nerf?

[bronze hound]

Shields getting shot take away the buff

[copper tusk]

💀

[blissful rampart]

unknown if nerf or bug but yea

[flint wave]

heartbreaker users in shambles

[lyric prism]

why so?

[flint wave]

They usually run vigilance

[gentle lichen]

So if you have bonus armor and your shield gets hit your vigi is lost?

[bronze hound]

Yes

[flint wave]

yes because bonus armor doesn't effect shield

[bronze hound]

Bonus armour shouldn't impact it at all

Since the description just says "getting shot"

[hollow pasture]

My HB build does not run vigi

Only hb build I run tbh

[vestal ibex]

It hasn't popped up on the Trello yet but hopefully it does soon.

I wonder if it happens when any skill is damaged like a turret or drone.

[bronze hound]

doub it

i think its moreso an invisible patch like f10

[vestal ibex]

They did it cause the verbiage "your shield is part of you so it counts as damage"

[bronze hound]

i mean if the shield gets shot then it does count as you getting shot

[vestal ibex]

Yeah but bonus armor doesn't help so idk sounds bugged to me.

[bronze hound]

because bonus armour doesnt prevent you from getting shot?

shield makes less sense than bonus armour

bonus armour doesnt prevent bullets from making contact while a shield does

[vestal ibex]

I also noticed my reg HF doesn't hit for what it should with everything stacked up and vigi. I need to make sure nothing is funky on my build before claiming more tho but I'm like 1 mil lower than I should be.

[bronze hound]

my hhf is running fine

but then again i dont use vigi

[vestal ibex]

Ninja bike backpack user eh?

[bronze hound]

no i use hf backpack

and dch

[vestal ibex]

I'm not throwing shade. You use whatever you like.

[bronze hound]

lol

[flint wave]

10m disorient sounds cool ngl

[bronze hound]

but yeah id reconsider using vigi

[bronze hound]

its really nice

[vestal ibex]

Not saying it isn't just that I don't find it useful. I like my 20% pistol damage too and the DCH stacks just arn't there for me cause I'm HH and main regulus.

[tawdry flare]

vigilance on difficulty below heroic is not necessary

only when going heroic and above we need it

to do one shot solo red

you can go concussion too

for hh

[onyx sage]

yeah i'm gonna switch to concussion for the time being. i still would want vig back and hope it's a bug

[bronze hound]

maining regulus is the first problem

doesnt have the raw damage for all enemies

[vestal ibex]

It's not a problem, quite the opposite.

[bronze hound]

• when stacks are up youre fucked

[vestal ibex]

Skill issue.

[livid horizon]

massive skill issue

[bronze hound]

right i forgot you can headshot warhounds my bad

[vestal ibex]

I just dump HH with m870.

[bronze hound]

guess i forgot to code "always lands headshots" into the regulus talent

[tawdry flare]

skill issue ™

[tawdry flare]

should do it asap

[vestal ibex]

I don't have an issue.

[tawdry flare]

mhh @onyx sage what if they add determined to descent pool

and we have regicide

[vestal ibex]

"I can't do that so you shouldn't" is the vibe I'm getting.

[onyx sage]

why would they add a binary on/off talent to it? it only makes sense as an exotic talent which would be stupid

[tawdry flare]

also chainkiler thrown on top

[candid night]

Devs spoke about not wanting to add more n more talents to descent

[tawdry flare]

better than blind justice

[bronze hound]

how are you headshotting warhounds with a regulus, teach me

[vestal ibex]

You don't drop HH with a shotgun?

[next shard]

@

[bronze hound]

you can get the stacks back up immediately with a DCH shot

[onyx sage]

maining regulus doesn't mean exclusively using it

[bronze hound]

it means youre using it more than your other weapons

which would prevent the usage of DCH

[onyx sage]

i mean it's also a viable playstyle to only use dch as initial HH stack generator

[bronze hound]

thats what im referring to because its impossible to have it up 24/7

[onyx sage]

again, it's not the only playstyle with dch

you can start with regulus dch then swap to m870 or wd to continue killing, depends on the situation or speed at which you want to kill because if enemies have low enough hp regulus is just going to sweep them up quick

it really just depends

[flint wave]

Use a Douglas and harding chest piece

[hazy valve]

Dodgecity holster

[vestal ibex]

Click them in the head is what I do. It works very well for me.

I also run tech so I can emp grenade dogs and do either direct health on the sniper/grenade dogs or just suffer a little on the machine gun ones.

[bronze hound]

souless forgetting that headshots dont apply to everything

[vestal ibex]

I usually just drop HH stacks on a dogs leg first.

[bronze hound]

then how do you get them back

[vestal ibex]

I shoot stuff?

[bronze hound]

would take quite a while if its elites dontcha thing

[vestal ibex]

Not really?

[bronze hound]

at least 2 mags

[vestal ibex]

WAT?

[flint wave]

Use tac 50

[bronze hound]

souless unless you have a supercharged regulus that defies all science then youre gonna need that much to kill an elite

[woven pewter]

MMRs with determined can HS dogos tho. :p

[vestal ibex]

What do you hit for without HH? 1.5 mil?

[flint wave]

and lose all hh stacks

[woven pewter]

Yea ik.

[bronze hound]

my fav gun for running hunters fury

[woven pewter]

But you can reapply on red purples.

[bronze hound]

dont know the exact number but that sounds about right

[vestal ibex]

You got a funk build yo.

[onyx sage]

^

[bronze hound]

and wbu

[vestal ibex]

I can one shot a red solo heroic outside the HF range.

[bronze hound]

thats not a number but ok

[vestal ibex]

Like 3-3.5 mil without HF stacks.

I think it's around there.

I can't 1 shot a red in 2 person heroic without the HF amp tho.

[bronze hound]

and thats with a D&H backpack with vigi?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah.

[bronze hound]

what expertise is your regulus at

[next shard]

@

[blissful rampart]

duo red heroic = 3.39 mil 😛

[vestal ibex]

Only like 19

[silk dirge]

So... Anyone here tested the nerfed Tip of the Spear set? Curious as to what people would run with it.

[bronze hound]

ok mines at like 10

[vestal ibex]

First shot doesn't matter too much.

[bronze hound]

but you said youve been having inconsistencies?

[flint wave]

Without anything relating to hf or expertise the numbers show just under 2 mil

[bronze hound]

after the update

[next shard]

@

[flint wave]

max headshot dmg and all red cores

[bronze hound]

yeah ill need to double check my numbers lol

might just be remembering wrong

oh shit azur i have question

[lyric prism]

Given the buff only lasts 8secs or something, not much outside that.

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I'm gonna check my build and look into it tonight.

[blissful rampart]

[vestal ibex]

Gotta work to feed the kitties yo.

[bronze hound]

do incursions belong in #lfg-raid-pc or #lfg-pc

[silk dirge]

Noted, that's pretty much what I figured

[blissful rampart]

damit... thought you have a question i could answer lol

[bronze hound]

xD

[bronze hound]

do you want a question you can answer?

what animal is this

[flint wave]

lfgs don't matter for incursion because we already have in game matchmaking🚎

[blissful rampart]

right now we are not sure were to put incursions lol. and already have like 1566181351131132 channels, dont want to make another 2-3.

[silk dirge]

At this point I'm just looking for a decent setup to run around with tbh.

[urban latch]

With experience around 19 sounds about right
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1uy8eLQaZnK51PK9kmIKxl0sgJo7w98li6H_M3C2iJI0/edit

[blissful rampart]

that a fox?

[silk dirge]

I would say fox

[bronze hound]

aspect absolutely refuses to answer the question for some reason

[lyric prism]

so the 4p exumo incinerator turret has an off switch.

why was this not in the notes o.o

the timer stops.

[blissful rampart]

because its not something new. the turret has always had on off toggle

[bronze hound]

lmao

[blissful rampart]

read the skill descriptions some time 😛

[lyric prism]

what sort of heresy is that??!?!. Stop being pratical.

(ty)

[bronze hound]

tell me youve never used the turret without telling me youve never used the turret

[blissful rampart]

its just like striker drone, you can send it in to self destruct, just noboday does it

[lyric prism]

rarely use the turret.

I knew the self destruct.

[flint wave]

I left Assault turret for decoy

[elder delta]

unreal the luck here

idk why prtsc makes things really bright but my oh my we got da elmos

[bronze hound]

probably fucked up monitor brightness

[elder delta]

prolly. its fine in game

[bronze hound]

as in your monitor is dim so you adjusted windows accordingly

so whenever windows posts a photo its overexposed

[elder delta]

i see i see

[bronze hound]

just a theory

[elder delta]

makes sense

[bronze hound]

or the game is underexposed so you altered the game settings

but basically you lowered something and increased something else

and windows is only detecting the increase and not decrease

[elder delta]

yeah it happens on this and destiny 2., not diablo 4 tho

[bronze hound]

definitely sounds like an overcorrected game setting

[elder delta]

anyways games been fun getting back into it. was big in division 1. SHD178 cruising along

[tough linden]

What build should I make for incursion {im a solo player} ? I meant what build should I make and use if I run incursion with randoms?

[bronze hound]

you wont solo the incursion period

nobody has yet and its barely even possible on paper

[elder delta]

from what i saw it looked like 3 dps and a designated healer

[bronze hound]

for the most part yeah

[elder delta]

it looked like you can nuke the final bosses

[tough linden]

byu solo i meant, i will be farming solo activitys for farming the gears for the build 🙂

[bronze hound]

id say swap a dps for tank with wright if your team sucks

[elder delta]

i farm xp with aces or hotshot with determined cheese

countdown i use striker

[bronze hound]

yeah just regular striker dps

[elder delta]

saving pieces for skill builds

i turned up my in game brightrness from 1000 to 2000 and that crap went away

[bronze hound]

thats weird

that sounds like some overcompensation then

[tough linden]

What is the greatest option for incursions right now? I'm aware that there are four encounters, and that builds change according to them.

[bronze hound]

^

[tough linden]

all red one or red and blue mix?

[bronze hound]

all red

[tough linden]

nice will look for a group then 🙂

[bronze hound]

good luck

[urban latch]

Maximizing your damage is really key, especially for the final boss

[elder delta]

does coyote let you go over the crit cap

[woven pewter]

No. CHC has cap on 60.

[elder delta]

aight

[urban latch]

Two main builds are pretty much all you need all the way through. Generally 3 DPS, 1 healer.

Striker build

Future healer

Those two builds are basically all you need

[tranquil wave]

Dude..

For PvP atleast something but so much mats to upgrade it

what a trollink game

[vestal ibex]

Needs CHC and CHD and then a blue core rolled on imo. Keep at it yo.

[blissful rampart]

2nd one can be good but 1st one missing 2 things sadly

[tranquil wave]

I mean i got maxed with expertise full red core fenris but not with blue one

chc+hs dmg idk if its better

Sadly not a blue core

[vestal ibex]

Eh most people are trying to super min max. Use what you got and like at the end of the day.

[tranquil wave]

Gotta get BiS, anything else is trash

[blissful rampart]

best would be chc + chd BUT of course use the best you have until you get the best options

[vestal ibex]

I wish more people provided a if you don't have homemade store bought is fine options when giving build advice.

[tranquil wave]

Time to spend few more decades obtaining BiS gear

[tawdry raven]

How much dmg to one shot a red enemy on heroic?

[ionic frost]

What is a one shot build for hunters

[urban latch]

Which hunters

[vestal ibex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQ-OZyQRHd6TskSbeE9tn2jMdn9eLIe9Fsm5CjD7A_EUwUKPdo_VO_ug7aOMdH3hhnw0pE8GGs_LnPl/pubhtml

[tranquil wave]

Red? Like few mil

[vestal ibex]

If only there was a spreadsheet someone linked you could look at....

[tranquil wave]

Guessing is better option

[vestal ibex]

Yeah something is def messed up with something.

Before shot and after shot so you can see buffs with full HF stacks-HF mark-HH-vigi and I'm only getting 15.4 mil. Am I missing something here or does this seem scuff? Mistaken although vigi is disabled via damage to your shield.

I'd usually be hitting for over 19 mil with my build.

[hexed steppe]

Probably registering as regular wd instead of twd

Test it with charged memento, no short buff

[vestal ibex]

I'm wondering if vigi is different when it comes back up after being disabled by the shield.

[flint wave]

The vigi stealth nerf is crazy

[vestal ibex]

I don't think they did it on purpose.

[flint wave]

probably

[hexed steppe]

How are your range shots looking with no damage taken

[vestal ibex]

Strange still. Settles at 18.1 mil

[hexed steppe]

Maybe it just isnt coming back after shutoff with damage

[vestal ibex]

Interaction with the shield but it's still low regardless. I can look thru saved gameplay to see if I have some numbers prior to the patch.

[hexed steppe]

Is it dropping from just pulling the shield?

[urban latch]

That's weird....

[vestal ibex]

No. Only when it takes damage. I wonder if vigi doesn't actually come back up.

[hexed steppe]

Looks like it doesnt if it stays at the 15mil range. I did some dirty math of your 15.4mil and it seems 25ish% less than your normal 19+mil. Not very precise tho 😅

Hopfully itll be an easy patch fix.

Kinda glad I avoid vigilance in my builds. Should test out perfect vs regular vig and see if they both are same story

[onyx sage]

my take is it'll just be the same as the cover-to-cover bug we had some time ago and it'll be fixed. if they're attempting a nerf it seems pretty shoddy atm and looks accidental rather than intentional

[bright raptor]

was this present on the PTS? I don't recall anyone mentioning this happening on PTS

[vestal ibex]

Well tested without a shield and it works normalish. Still less damage but not a huge drop off like when you have vigi turned off with damage to your shield. Made mistake.

[rich cosmos]

Whats the 2 piece bonuses of cheska and groupo

[urban latch]

Haz pro and explosive damage

[rich cosmos]

Any suggestions for a build using eagle bearer?

[urban latch]

There's not really a specific build for the EB, any build that works well will work with the EB

[rich cosmos]

I guess I’ll just mess around and see what I can make

[fervent flame]

whats the most fun MMR/sniper build now after the TOTS changes?

[woven pewter]

Hotshot? Aces are obsolete now...

You can check the pin, theres an useful sheet about hotshot. Enjoy!

[fervent flame]

thx

[livid salmon]

I've been grinding Countdown for Catharsis mask drop like anything no luck
Any advice?

[vestal ibex]

Buying Exo caches with the currency you gain from it?

[hexed steppe]

determined white death,
chainkiller,
4pc hotshot
airaldi vigilance
is kinda the basic setup, some run 3pc hotshot

i been running it with mem tho and its been pretty good

[vestal ibex]

@hexed steppe @onyx sage I am dumb and made a mistake. Swapping builds on characters I forgot to put pistol damage on the spec and it was costing me 1.1 mil damage. The other stuff being funky is just HH maths being funky.

[hexed steppe]

oh yeah, 15% goes a long way on HH

nice. so its just an issue with faulty interaction with shield then

[livid salmon]

Just bought and opened 30 exotic crates still no luck ;-;

[hexed steppe]

shoulda bought 31... 😅

[livid salmon]

:)

[vestal ibex]

What's cath for?

[hexed steppe]

catharsis doesnt seem to drop a lot, compared to other stuff from my own exotic caches/drops either. youll definitly get one tho

[vestal ibex]

Best not be for a youtube build....

[livid salmon]

Not a YT build

Thinking of replacing with Catharsis instead of Memento for my blues and reds Striker build

And Foundry bulwark tank build

[hexed steppe]

idk mem is hard to beat, but it would be a solid source of of twd along with striker bag buffing stacks. what chest?

i knew a guy that only ran cath,liberty, 4pc foundry and forge for anything... never ended up on the floor👍

[burnt folio]

I need a dps build that isn't striker, I just might be dumb but keep striker stacks is so hard especially when im getting jumped by every npc and they mama

[tawdry flare]

negotiator or hunters fury

[round zinc]

so someone explain measured for me

[hollow pasture]

Bad

[tawdry flare]

first half is wd is additive 2nd half is twd is multiplicative

iirc 1-2% dps increase for measured and 3-4% for perfect version

[woeful swift]

so is st. elmo really good? i've seen a ton of people using it now that i'm looking

[tawdry flare]

it is really good no doubt about it just not the best

[woeful swift]

yeah it seems really solid but not op

i'm mostly going into this game from a destiny perspective because i have 3k hours or so in that game and like 60 in this one, so i'm looking for talents and exotics that don't require kills to proc lol

[tawdry flare]

Elmo is a good starter ar though

np kil or anything just shoot the ammo is just a bonus

[halcyon prism]

hello is there a recommend build for farming open world activity on heroic ? I really want to get my SHD level up haha

[sharp mango]

Is this ok?

[tawdry flare]

mhh i would rather put a ceska bag with vigilance/unstoppable force or even memento

cause the hb bag don't give much except for bonus armour

[woeful swift]

good on a super 90 shotgun?

[onyx sage]

really good. dttooc preferred roll and rerollable talent

[woeful swift]

nah i rerolled it to dttoc

i throw incendiary grenades enough that sledgehammer works okay

[onyx sage]

then there are better options tbh. super 90 is a good dps weapon so you would rather take a dps talent. not to say sledgehammer isn't a good talent, but rather there are other weapons that have perfect sledgehammer that you can use over it, or sledgehammer on your pistol

[woeful swift]

like optimist?

[onyx sage]

the way sledgehammer works is once you proc the grenade damage on the enemy, you can swap off of it to your main dps weapon

for shotguns, pummel

[woeful swift]

doesn't that only last 10 seconds?

[onyx sage]

yes but you can keep refreshing it

[woeful swift]

and does the weapon have to be in hand for sledgehammer to proc?

[onyx sage]

and you will often refresh it because you get increased damage and free reload (if we're talking about pummel)

[onyx sage]

yes, so you keep your sledgehammer weapon on hand, throw grenade, get it to hit the enemy which procs the debuff, then swap off

[woeful swift]

okay, i see

[onyx sage]

the debuff stays on the enemy

[woeful swift]

i see why it could be better than

i'm gonna keep it for now still, i can use it for everything else until i can get one with pummel on it or smth

[onyx sage]

aim for super 90 or m870. any variants of it will work, but those 2 are meta

[woeful swift]

cool, good to know

why am i randomly getting put on asian servers for countdown lol

[onyx sage]

of course. feel free to ask here. there are tons more people on here that will gladly help you in case i'm not available

[rich cosmos]

Is strikers chest better than bringing a damage talent on something like cheskas?

[tawdry flare]

striker chest is highest dps but you really can't use it outside of legendary mission heroic cd and incursion for everything else

a ceska obliterate or pgc will suffice

[rich cosmos]

Thx

[dull ermine]

Is this new Ortiz prototype set any good

Someone was using it and it didn’t really do much (they didn’t have status effect attributes tho)

[woeful swift]

was someone saying hunter's fury is good?

just got sawyer's kneepads, are those decent at all? they seem kind of mid

lol i just got this on a lullaby

[hidden patio]

Hey guys, I’ve finally gotten comfortable doing solo challenging and face tank with this build. I’ve been wanting to push for heroic but get melted everytime. Any suggestions?

[autumn moon]

Pesti build idea.
Would ninja, contractors,striker and a walker unbreakable be strong?
Looking at 5 blues and 2 reds.

I was getting obliterated by another player in conflict and want to try.unfortunately,didn't peek his build

[tawdry flare]

no if going pest go all red

[tawdry flare]

just use hunters fury

[autumn moon]

Even for pvp?

[tawdry flare]

idk about pvp since it is about stacking armour mostly but if you are using ninja you lose dmg

[autumn moon]

Replacing the ninja with a striker backpack perhaps

[tawdry flare]

striker doesn't work with pestilence neither heartbreaker

[autumn moon]

Ok I didn't know that.i thought the 4 piece striker talent will help with pesti stacks

[ionic frost]

So for this build what should me dps be or my armor?

[tawdry flare]

use hb chest if you are gonna use memento get 3 red core minimum on your heartbreaker pcs and roll everything to crit chance dmg tty to get close to 60% chc and than everything in chd

capacitor is meh use m4 with flatline or kingbreaker

[ionic frost]

Police m4???

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[ionic frost]

Should I change anything else since I’ll be using the hb chest

[tawdry flare]

yeah put on 1 pcs ceska

doesn't matter which glove mask holster knees any one pcs

[hidden patio]

You thinking pass on chc/chd and go for armor/regen?

[ionic frost]

What should be the talents? For the weapons

[tawdry flare]

no hf gives armour regen on kill so everything needs to be crit use an smg and scorpio

[tawdry flare]

flatline with the tech laser pointer attachment

[ionic frost]

And best signature weapon?

[flint wave]

nobody uses sig weapons

[ionic frost]

I use it for attachments

[hidden patio]

Okay, time to farm then lmao thank you!

[flint wave]

it's on technician

[tawdry flare]

that's called specialization lol

[ionic frost]

Close enough 🤣

[fair dragon]

Looking for some advice on this WT5 DPS build

[tulip charm]

3 prov + obliterate chest contractors and foxes if you plan on keeping memento

[wild nimbus]

Hello, I just finished WOTY and got a couple of SHD levels, how do I gear myself to start to handle Heroic difficulty?

[tulip charm]

countdown or summit

[wild nimbus]

Those have the best chance to drop good gear?

[tulip charm]

it lets you pick what targeted loot it drops

[wild nimbus]

Thanks!

[delicate laurel]

@dire flame this is my strikers build

i went for the bp instead of the chest

[dire flame]

Gotcha. I’ll hop on later and hope to get the rifle first (after 200 countdown clears)

[delicate laurel]

the weapons can be swapped as needed

your want aomething to build those stacks first i would use a ACS12 as its the best for building stacks

i use the vector cause im special

I'd get the striker peices first

[thin patrol]

gunner

[small compass]

Anyone got a regulus 1 shot build for incursion

[late wyvern]

Is there a good backpack talent for Heartbreaker set?

[glossy scarab]

vigilance

[bright raptor]

^

[candid night]

Good drop or deconstruct ?

[quasi geyser]

does anyone have a build for the Ortiz: Exuro gearset ?

[vestal ibex]

Probably just wear the 4 pc with the chest and then vile and electrique/golan gearset backpack with tech support, firewall spec, all status effect, shotgun with DTTOOC and in sync and capacitor. That's probably your best bet when it comes to "I wanna try it out and do the biggest damage" but you are def better off with the standard fire EP build.

[vestal ibex]

I thought to offer yellow sacrifice but that chest talent might be good even at 2m also most people don't have it.

[glossy scarab]

yeah the chest isnt as useless as ppl think

[vestal ibex]

It do be big damage.

[strange heath]

I could see glass cannon on a Heartbreaker, where you get more armor.

Either on a GS, Ceska, or Walker-Harris

my personal OD build

[vestal ibex]

What are you using this to do? Team support or are you just solo heroic with this?

[tawdry flare]

Ahh use coyote and obliterate

[strange heath]

team support. spread status, EMP can push enemies out of cover, and I get really quick drop times for my weapons

[strange heath]

I am considering a swap to Iron Lung, to supplement bleed with burn. I know pestilence isn't that great without full red core, but this is more to whittle enemies down over time for mop up purposes

[tawdry flare]

My bad I meant opportunistic and coyote for team buff

You give team 3 amp

All seperate

20%,20% and 15%

[tulip charm]

imma be real with you cheif but just run a full red od or yellow cc variant

[bronze hound]

whats happening

[strange heath]

working with me on perfecting a build of mine

[vestal ibex]

FI>OD is my opinion but loadings changes plus scorpio if you are set on using this build.

[vestal ibex]

3.7 mil headshot with HF in the apex range.

[tulip charm]

what

[tawdry flare]

Skill Issue

[bronze hound]

didnt ask but ok

[tawdry flare]

You are furious? again 😂

[vestal ibex]

You did ask and I didn't have a number yesterday so here. It's 3.7 mil.

[tawdry flare]

Could have said 69mil

[vestal ibex]

Nice.

[tawdry flare]

I want to do a one shot build that hits for 69mil

[vestal ibex]

What's the current sniper meta hit for on full HH nem? 50 something mil yeah?

You could probably just hit a number then math up the amps you'd need to hit it from there.

[tawdry flare]

Yeah

[bronze hound]

higher iirc

meta for damage would me 3/2/1 setup

[tawdry flare]

They have ruined vigilance

[bronze hound]

just dont get shot

[tawdry flare]

Lol

Can't say that about my shield

[bronze hound]

just dont use shield

[tulip charm]

Just dont get hit

[vestal ibex]

That's not a number.

[bronze hound]

57-59

[vestal ibex]

So 50 something mil. Got it.

[bronze hound]

Closer to 60

I think 63

Idk lol that's why I said more than

[vestal ibex]

59 is a 50 something number.

Regardless he isn't gonna commit to the bit. feelsbadman.

[tawdry flare]

Iirc it was 57million approx

Have to use dch after nemisis

[woeful swift]

only using an lmg instead of ar because i don't have any good ar's with flatline

[livid horizon]

probs lose the vile, and add ceska mask

and no need for the blue roll on Foxs

[woeful swift]

oh, i actually do have one of those

[vestal ibex]

SHD level?

[woeful swift]

23

i've been level 40 for like three days

[livid horizon]

you need to add crit chance and damage EVERYWHERE 🙂

[woeful swift]

i haven't min-maxed anything

[vestal ibex]

You good was just looking to see how much you've played to get a sense of what to suggest. New people need a start vs the best.

[woeful swift]

right

i was going to try to do a striker build with st elmo, and i still might, i've just only leveled up survivalist

[livid horizon]

Striker is very nice

[woeful swift]

so leveling up technician or gunner is going to be a slog

[livid horizon]

elmos too

[vestal ibex]

Yeah there are loadouts so you can save them and switch on the fly.

[woeful swift]

right

[vestal ibex]

Goes pretty quick. Just keep dumping points into it and make sure you switch when you max one out. Level all of them, they are all useful in their own way.

[woeful swift]

i can't really decide between technician or gunner next

i sort of started technician but only barely, i'm like 7 points in

[livid horizon]

good way to level specs up is to do the invaded missions

[vestal ibex]

Well for heart breakers it's tech hands down. It has a laser for your gun that pulses people.

[woeful swift]

right, that's why i've got it on rn

[blissful rampart]

technician super charges HB gear set (because of the tech laser), also Fox/ contractors are not great with gear sets, use ceska/ grupo/ coyotes instead

[woeful swift]

i'm just using them for the dttoc

[blissful rampart]

ceska/ grupo are higher dps then fox in gear sets

[hazy valve]

Is a vile build potent or na?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah and read/understand your gearsets and note every gear set has a chest and backpack talent. Some chest/backpack talents are HIGHLY suggested for a build. For heartbreakers the chest is BIS but you can swap the backpack.

[blissful rampart]

very. EP with vile is great

[woeful swift]

ep?

[hazy valve]

Is oxi including in that if ur planning on burning?

[blissful rampart]

eclipse protocol gear set.

[woeful swift]

ah, i see

[blissful rampart]

oxi is not a status effect

[vestal ibex]

NOOOOO.

[blissful rampart]

the only things that are status effects are those listed under hzd pro stat in game

[vestal ibex]

pls don't end up being that guy.

[hazy valve]

Lmao I wanna watch things burn to death

I was thinking either oxi build or vile build 😂

[vestal ibex]

Good cause oxi is great given the right build and situation.

[hazy valve]

And what gun is used?

[blissful rampart]

check out the great EP guide on the spreadsheet 😛

[flint wave]

nuh uh

[vestal ibex]

@woeful swift There is a spreadsheet pinned in this channel with TONS of up to date info and even build guides. It's in the pinned messages here.

[hazy valve]

Why use the spreadsheet when I'm speaking to the mastermind him self lol

[flint wave]

True

[woeful swift]

ye, i sort of glanced through it yesterday

[blissful rampart]

because at work, faster to have the person read the guide 1st 😛

[woeful swift]

there's just. a lot in it lmao

[hazy valve]

Dem lol

[vestal ibex]

Just pick one build and shoot for it. If you have questions just ask anything.

[woeful swift]

kingbreaker is just a random drop when you're doing things, right?

[blissful rampart]

yup, just a normal named item

[woeful swift]

just making sure

[autumn yacht]

loving the new pvp meta have y’all used it yet

[flint wave]

If the he brands were different its probably not even that bad

especially since vigi is bugged/nerfed

[blissful rampart]

ninja bag automatically hinders the build.

this is pvp, vigi isnt used really

[livid horizon]

any news on if vigi is bugged or stealth nerf?

[hexed steppe]

bugged i think

[thin patrol]

I hope for stealth nerf

[blissful rampart]

not confirmed last i checked (if bug or nerf i mean)

[hexed steppe]

from what souless was saying yesterday it seems like its just messed up when shield gets hit. no shield it came back up

[blissful rampart]

IMHO its a bug

[green pumice]

Yoink, any good builds around this?

[livid horizon]

sounds like it

[tulip charm]

God I hate you

HF or Striker

[blissful rampart]

all builds really lol that gun is broken atm

[livid horizon]

HF@green pumice

[green pumice]

okidoki will test it out.

[blissful rampart]

crap talent but amazing base stats

[green pumice]

can u recraft this and try to roll better Attripures?

[tulip charm]

yeah

[livid horizon]

yea, go for dttooc

[green pumice]

good good

[hazy valve]

Can u self proc talent?

[blissful rampart]

nope

[hazy valve]

Ah so completely useless talent

[green pumice]

Maybe good if you like to run Special ammo Directive.

[blissful rampart]

even then, you mag dump the special ammo on 1 target but kill it before the status matters lol

[green pumice]

yeah i guess. 😄

[flint wave]

good luck finding use out of black tusk special ammo

or hyena special ammo

[hazy valve]

Lol ob hf with perfect wicked

[flint wave]

wicked is real now that vigi got stealth nerfed bugged

[blissful rampart]

perfect wicked is bad, normal is much better because dont lose brand

[onyx sage]

hey azur, should i try to farm perfect unstoppable force with reds

[blissful rampart]

yup perfect unstoppable force actually decent

[onyx sage]

my calcs as well, just gauging with myself whether it's better than concussion for HHF

[blissful rampart]

wicked...

[onyx sage]

i haven't tested how PUF stacks though

imagine if they made it stack exponentially

[blissful rampart]

ikia did, just additive stacks

[onyx sage]

okay great

[onyx sage]

nananana

[blissful rampart]

HF has the great wicked talent 😛

[onyx sage]

nonono i'm still salty about vigi bug

[green pumice]

Vigilance broken?

[onyx sage]

wicked sometimes doesn't work for me in my runs because i had to solo a lone mob, but it's great otherwise

[blissful rampart]

skill issue 😛

[autumn yacht]

will be very annoying in pvp but pve prob useless

[onyx sage]

vigilance used to not get disabled when enemies hit shield instead of you and you jump down tall locations

[green pumice]

ahh

[onyx sage]

maybe that's why i haven't uploaded any runs in a while 😔

[blissful rampart]

when is your HC incursion run ? 😜

[green pumice]

this gun slaps atleast open world stuff just farming xp.

[hazy valve]

Literally scared to do it on hc lol

[onyx sage]

never because i never play on HC 😔

[blissful rampart]

lol

[onyx sage]

i will attempt tidal solo 6 red again

[blissful rampart]

it slaps everything right now just cause of its broken dps. it makes the incursion "easier" too lol

[green pumice]

aiitt need to farm some gear and make a build.

[rich cosmos]

Is headhunter worth using on eagle bearer?

[patent fossil]

Headhunter gives high damage for only one shot, works with weapons that have a very high shot damage. So no, not good with EB

[green pumice]

Something like this?

[woeful swift]

oh shit. just rolled this on st elmo

[onyx sage]

nice job

[woeful swift]

is merciless terrible? i've heard it's pretty bad

[urban latch]

Yep

[tawdry flare]

Guess m4 wins at 30m against ouroboros?

[tawdry flare]

Invite me

[onyx sage]

"solo"

[bronze hound]

Ain't no way an smg loses to an AR at range

[tawdry flare]

Here guys see what I have

[blissful rampart]

normally Smgs do lose to AR at range but Ouros dps is so high it probably still can win lol (upto a point)

[bronze hound]

How high

[tawdry flare]

60% iirc

[bronze hound]

That makes no sense

60% what

[tawdry flare]

60% more dps than famas or elmos at optimal range from dods video

[vestal ibex]

That's not gonna hit 69 mil...

[bronze hound]

Sounds incorrect

[tawdry flare]

6.9million will do

[bronze hound]

I'll need to get it to confirm

Give exact numbers

[tawdry flare]

Can confirm it here

From azuremens sheet

[bronze hound]

Do you have numbers

[tawdry flare]

Yup can prove

[bronze hound]

Give

[vestal ibex]

It's basicly 1 mil vs 660k

No talents considered tho.

[bronze hound]

Isn't that a little bit broken

[vestal ibex]

Duh most of us have been like brah

[tawdry flare]

Famas 662k and ouroboros 1 million

[blissful rampart]

also yea iirc Ouros dps is about 60% higher then famas, and famas + P.focus slightly passes Ouros dps (with no chest talent) and then Ouros can just use a chest talent to pass that lol

and yes its still VERY broken

[bronze hound]

Jesus christ

[tawdry flare]

Without talent and assuming the same multipliers we can cancel them out

[vestal ibex]

You gonna start up with perfect focus then?

[tawdry flare]

Except from the talent

[bronze hound]

Anticipating a 19.1 nerf by 30%

[tawdry flare]

@blissful rampart confirmed by dev to Nerf to ouroboros

[bronze hound]

._.

[blissful rampart]

link please

[bronze hound]

I literally said im anticipating one lmao

[tawdry flare]

51% more dps

[bronze hound]

I never said there was gonna be one

[blissful rampart]

i mean to Game about the confirmed nerf coming to ouro

[bronze hound]

There is a confirmed nerf?

[blissful rampart]

waiting on his source link lol

[bronze hound]

I literally just said I'm anticipating there will be one

[tawdry flare]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=drivesdk

[blissful rampart]

not to that lol

[bronze hound]

What

Azur he was trolling by calling me a dev

[blissful rampart]

i meant to source to this

??

[tawdry flare]

I meant eevee as a dev

[blissful rampart]

OH lol

too little coffee in azurs cup right now for that lol

[tawdry flare]

Can't believe you believed that lol

[tawdry flare]

But yeah 1.51 times more dps than famas

[blissful rampart]

TLDR: on PTS it was ~70% more dps. but after the nerf to live its now only 60% more dps lol (was a 10% nerf lulz)

[tawdry raven]

Another nerf would prob kill the weapon really hope they keep it as is, exotic smgs are underwhelming right now

[bronze hound]

Coulda just said 51%

[bronze hound]

Mate this outperforms literally everything without even trying lmao

[tawdry flare]

51%

[tawdry raven]

But it's range capped

[blissful rampart]

sounds about right 👍

[bronze hound]

Then allocate into weapon handling and you'll still beat a FAMAS lol

[blissful rampart]

i mean doesnt matter too much since its dps is so much higher lol

[blissful rampart]

also that ^^

[bronze hound]

Not really how stats work but ok

[tawdry flare]

How much dps does strained give ?

[blissful rampart]

on red build ~8 dps boost on famas