td2-build-advice

[summer flower]

pve player

[bronze hound]

Whenever I pvp I won't play fairly

[summer flower]

if crit is dogshit in pvp whats a good build

[hexed steppe]

Yeah ulitmateHiddenDev123

[bronze hound]

I won't just run up with an AR and start shooting blindly

Lol

Believe it or not the average dps build doesn't do well against a 900 thousand damage turret

[summer flower]

dont tell me u use a skill build lol

[bronze hound]

Of course I do

When I feel like it

I have more than one build obviously lol

Normally I'm sniping for 2.3 mil tho

[summer flower]

oh wow nemesis

[bronze hound]

Not nemesis

[summer flower]

gc all red

[bronze hound]

Doesn't matter, can't shoot me if you're dead

[summer flower]

do u use determined by chance?

[bronze hound]

Fuck no I'm not that bad at aiming

I can actually land my shots

Unlike majority of pvp players

[summer flower]

doubt

[tawdry flare]

it is UltraProMaxDev69

[bronze hound]

If my aim was bad I wouldn't have gotten invited to BLK

[tawdry flare]

blk?

[summer flower]

that clan is shit

[bronze hound]

Now the #1 clan for conflict

[hexed steppe]

I knew I effed that up, 10 lashes for me ig

[summer flower]

a conflict player lol

[bronze hound]

Who said I only play conflict

[tawdry flare]

looks like it

[bronze hound]

Your argument is riddled with fallacy

Nvm that's all it is

[summer flower]

u are rogue for 20% of the time ur in the dz

u don't even go rogue

[bronze hound]

And? Never said I play fairly

Also stats might be messed up since I have multiple characters

[hexed steppe]

This is also kinda pointless. Started with complaints, continues with complaints 🤣

[bronze hound]

Lol

[tawdry flare]

lol

[hexed steppe]

Could hit devs on twitter if you want a nerf chief

[tall jewel]

No it started with builds then it came to this

[bronze hound]

I literally don't care how rogue I am

If kills go up then good

[summer flower]

they don't really care about pvp community

[bronze hound]

Source?

Where did I say that

Show me the exact message where I said I do not care about pvp

[hexed steppe]

I guess I have something in common with them then

[tawdry flare]

i heard my name

[bronze hound]

Lol

[summer flower]

im saying the devs don't care

[hexed steppe]

I'm saying I dont either

[bronze hound]

Yeah that's pretty accurate

[summer flower]

omg lol

[bronze hound]

Doesn't matter tho

If you go into dz prepare to die to some stupid unfair means

[tawdry flare]

devs literally Don't care confirmed by a fellow dev @hexed steppe

[bronze hound]

I have no remorse for 1v3ing a manhunt with a mortar turret until they rage quit

[summer flower]

they might glitch and use cav gearset once u pull out mortar

[bronze hound]

[hexed steppe]

Dont start that shit 🤣
I dont need nerf seekers rolling into my DMs

[bronze hound]

If they swap builds I swap builds simple as that

[tawdry flare]

lol me too

[bronze hound]

No complaining involved

[tawdry flare]

@bronze hound plz don't ban us 🙏

[summer flower]

they won't need to swap builds when they are medkit glitching, cav glitching. and corner/hand glitching

[bronze hound]

But when I jiggity glitch then all is good

[hexed steppe]

Sounds like elmo pretty tame in comparison to all these glitches 🤔

[summer flower]

bc elmo is intended, those glitches aren't

[bronze hound]

Skill issue 100%

[summer flower]

can one of you post a build, i need builds to use in pvp

[bronze hound]

4 hardwired with strategic alignment and wyvern chess with glass cannon

[summer flower]

i used to actually use that to annoy ppl

im looking for more of a red and blue ar build

[hexed steppe]

Use tip of the spear... perfect for dz

[bronze hound]

negotiators >>

[summer flower]

just started using negotiatiors again, wish they didn't nerf it as much

ill post a build for u to annoy ppl @bronze hound

[bronze hound]

not worth my time

requires playing too fairly

[summer flower]

u dont like being on decoy for like 5 min?

[bronze hound]

nah'

[magic pilot]

@summer flower he doesn't play pvp like that no point in arguing

[bronze hound]

She*

[flint wave]

[magic pilot]

My bad lol

[brittle bloom]

Can't believe I just read all that 😂 my head hurts now

[bronze hound]

And yes I do lol

[flint wave]

finally

unicorns acquired

[little wraith]

Im new and wondering how does this build work?

[flint wave]

mark areas with artillery turret and that area explodes

[cyan drift]

They must have went "oh crap the campus vendor had no marksman rifles for two weeks" and then stacked it this week

[bronze hound]

lmao

[tawdry flare]

division 2:End of Season Sale at Campus Vendor

[grim seal]

Does ongoing directive ruin St. Elmo Engine's passive?

[stiff jasper]

They ruin each other

[tawdry flare]

better off with a plain m4/famas with sadist

[grim seal]

so definitely sticking to my current Negotiator's Dilemma build for countdown for now

[slate wedge]

nego is great for CD

might even be worth to run the chest

[hexed steppe]

no nego chest. youre better off with a damage talent since single target damage already takes a hit if using nego bag over vigilance.
nego is an awesome set though

[slate wedge]

oh bruh, you only get 14% more damage

[flint wave]

too many players shooting. Prefer strikers in that content

[hexed steppe]

something like oblit acts like amp when its the only source of TWD. still ramps ofc .

[slate wedge]

yeah i tjought the chest gave more damage than 14%

[main dock]

hi

Guys what is the best way to farm gear?

for new players

[flint wave]

how new

[livid horizon]

CD

[main dock]

SHD 150
But I don't have a good dps build

[flint wave]

Strikers with bag is very accessible and is one of the best

same with negotiator

[main dock]

Thanks

[stiff orbit]

Challenging countdown

or heroic if you feel like you won’t be hindering your team

[round zinc]

Weird take here but i think ND’s chest talent should just let allies use the mark with a 50% damage transfer

[flint wave]

suddenly ND is a support set

[round zinc]

I mean it can do both

[flint wave]

true

[round zinc]

As of now ND just seems like a mob clearing set

[slate wedge]

chest talent should increase the % per stack to 4

[flint wave]

balanced

or a bad idea because of how damage multipliers work

and nego typically has a million% crit

[round zinc]

Doesnt nego stack have a cap

[flint wave]

20

[round zinc]

Thats like a 60?% chd

Doesn’t sound that great

4% means 80% chd

Hmm that might work

[flint wave]

It's 2% per stack

that's 40 chd

[round zinc]

Oh thats even worse

40% chd is like nothing

I mean its great

But as part of the talent its really underwhelming

[flint wave]

not like the set needs help

[round zinc]

Inb4 ND rework

[slate wedge]

so make it get 100% instead of 40% from stacks

[tawdry flare]

not really cause the mark death can be from allies too

and making it 100% requires 50kils 💀

[round zinc]

Huh thats cool

[flint wave]

oh that's why my ND meters high alot even in coop

[slate wedge]

so many gearsets have trash chestpieces or backpacks

[tawdry flare]

yup as long as mark target get kills you get the buff from talent

[slate wedge]

nah, make it 5% from the chest instead of 2%

[flint wave]

I was definitely not killing 20 enemies per encounter in coop

[tawdry flare]

i would make it 4% or 3% 5% is too much

[round zinc]

They’d just make it 2% so you need 50 kills

[flint wave]

I like the team support idea

[round zinc]

Look at perfect unstoppable force

[slate wedge]

20% or 40% more chd wouldn't be enough to make the chest viable

[tawdry flare]

the chest talent is increased marks from 3 to 5

[round zinc]

Make it 7% and max at 35%?
Nah make it 5% and need 7 kills,brilliant idea

[slate wedge]

maybe 40% but still obliterate, focus or gc will be better

[vapid hamlet]

😳

[tawdry flare]

if you want chest viable than make it increase shared crit by additional 50%

[slate wedge]

no shit i was talking about reworking the chest

[round zinc]

Making the cap 100% is just a blanket buff

[tawdry flare]

so bag and chest you get 150% combined also +1 target

[flint wave]

gc and focus trade things but obliterate doesnt

[round zinc]

Honestly they should just let you not always scope into 8x scopes like td1

Or have canted sights

[slate wedge]

making thr cap 100% but keep max stacks at 20 eould be solid

[round zinc]

Sure but why use it over obliterate

You want an example of how strong +100% chd is use backfire

Spoiler:not good

[main dock]

What is ND 😅?

[round zinc]

Like lets all collectively ignore the stack decay and the bleeding

[round zinc]

Negotiator’s dilemma

[flint wave]

and the fact it's an smg

[round zinc]

That too but its debatable

Still,
The crit damage that you are granted for using 2 mags,assuming you’re mag dumping on a close range boss like DUA leggo

Is not very noticeable

Im gonna reinstall after update and post some numbers but it really needs 200% to really make an impact

[slate wedge]

well considering you wpuld have like 150% without thr stack it would be a 50% damage increase

whoch beats out obliterate and gc by a mile

[round zinc]

Im talking about 100%

Backfire goes to 200 but realistically you will be at around 100% cuz of the stupid stack decay

And the fact that you can use Backfire with any chest talent

[tawdry flare]

they should add on kill mechanic like on kill ignores the bleed for next reload

[round zinc]

Also the ramp up to getting it affects dps too

[tawdry flare]

and increase yhe duration to 20s or 25?

[round zinc]

Getting 20 assist/kills to hit 100% chd is slow

[round zinc]

I think stacks should just decay by 20 for every second instead of wiping all after a period

[tawdry flare]

that would be worse

[round zinc]

Like Bighorn

I mean like how if you stop shooting after X seconds it decays

[tawdry flare]

20*10= 200

10s for all vs 1s for 20

[round zinc]

Like if all stacks disappear after like 20 seconds then sure all stack wipes seem reasonable

[slate wedge]

yeah i meant that too but my math was bad, it would be a 66.6% inc4ease in damage

[round zinc]

10 seconds,we need some compromises

But this isn’t a backfire debate its a ND debate

20 kills is cool in theory but killing 20 mobs can be a bit of a challenge

Even assisting

And the fact that ND’s strength depends on the enemies on the field

So even at like 100% chd you would still lose out to striker

[flint wave]

if there's multiple enemies ND is in play

not a big bar

[round zinc]

Even if 20 mobs is plenty to hit 100% the ramp up is still slower than obliterate or GC

[flint wave]

Or if you aren't conveniently fighting 2 marauders

[round zinc]

True but 20?

[hexed steppe]

ND is solid. There are usually more than a few targets available.

[round zinc]

ND is good no debate

Im talking about the x% chd increase

[flint wave]

that extra crit is just a bonus

doing damage to multiple enemies at once is awesome

[hexed steppe]

That's pretty minor compared to 100% transfer

[round zinc]

Yes i am trying to elaborate why giving it 100% chd cap as chest talent is not going to make a big difference

We all know ND chest is not worth it

Or maybe thats just me :p

[hexed steppe]

No it isnt

[flint wave]

if the marks lasted forever maybe

but having 5 marked at once is hard

[hexed steppe]

Dta also plays a part in nego. It can double dip kinda if the mark you are shooting and the mark that is transfered to both have armor

[slate wedge]

well, you get 60% more chd than before which would be a 40% damage increase considering you have 150% chd

[round zinc]

150% base chd or where

And like i said its not realistic to use it and just get outdps by striker while also getting lower single target damagr to spread around

Like how Striker chest in theory gives you another 65% or 100% amplified damage with backpack

It should be extremely good right?but nope

[tawdry flare]

striker chest is atleast viable in certain situations while nego chest I can't think of it's viability

[slate wedge]

yes

[tawdry flare]

but i don't want a nego rework

[round zinc]

we all didnt want a tots rework but here we are

[tawdry flare]

after seeing tots rework it is better they keep their hands of gearsets

[slate wedge]

i want a rework of many gearsets

[round zinc]

If you count striker as a rework then maybe its fine

[tawdry flare]

well i am 100% sure they will fuck it up more

[slate wedge]

true

[round zinc]

Foundry now only gives 50% shield health if there are 3 enemies infront of you

[tawdry flare]

wtf

[round zinc]

Hard wired now only resets 50% of the cooldown

[flint wave]

extremely good if you can maintain 200 stacks(never)

[tawdry flare]

in heroic cd possible

[round zinc]

Well yea

Its better to use it on blue builds in my opinion

[flint wave]

also stovepipe manhunt start and end

[round zinc]

Your lower starting damage means you can hit and maintain 200 stacks easier

[tawdry flare]

well it is rarely replayed unlike cd

[round zinc]

Its not exactly meta but it is really cool

[tawdry flare]

and cd is big part of grind now

[flint wave]

everyone's in challenging

[tawdry flare]

only played challenging 2wice

[flint wave]

lucky

[tawdry flare]

always heroic

99.99% of the time

[round zinc]

Thats why challenging is spelled with 2 L’s

[slate wedge]

i might put together a blue striker build with chameleon

[tawdry flare]

go red with chameleon just use memento and a single blue core should be enough

[flint wave]

need shield health tho

[slate wedge]

i mean it would be a meme build anyways so why joy go full meme

[tawdry flare]

If you're gonna make meme than put ninjabike

[slate wedge]

not that meme

[flint wave]

I mean chameleon with the reload part of the 3 buffs by itself is better dps then all the ars

[slate wedge]

may also be the best dps overall

at 0% everything it would certainly be

with build not by as much but still great

[tawdry flare]

i hate the yhe leg buff should have been lot lower

[round zinc]

Chameleon can in theory no diff every automatic weapon in the game for damage

So yea i do have a blue striker build somewhere i gotta look

Build looks like this

But replace the mash with catharsis

Sure it only works at close-mid range but thats just most blue builds

I can either run survivalist for more pfe or firewall for striker shield.
Shoutout to picaro for a bit more red

Gunner is there for AoK

I can also just cope with less damage but more armor by using heartbreaker and just shoot heads

My greatest foe will be robo dogs since they have no heads

[flint wave]

just banshee pulse them

[tawdry flare]

bruh remove 1-2 blue cores

[round zinc]

3 is too squishy to tank

But yea ill consider

[flint wave]

use memento

[round zinc]

Part of why i want so much blue is to proc catharsis heal

[round zinc]

Striker bag too good but also will consider this

Though there’s something gimmicky i can do here

If i run heartbreaker with technician,ninjabag and picaro i can get a t3 decoy

So a tank is always worse than a decoy but a tank AND a decoy works better

[slate wedge]

use 4 pieces striker with bp and chest, catharsis and a ceska piece

go for full blue cores with chc and chd

[round zinc]

I dont need more than 1 chc core thanks to chameleon here

[strange heath]

current OD build. considering switching to petrov Chest with either Obliterate or Unbreakable

[orchid cloud]

uhh yellow components are really part of the build?

Considering that it's a gearset and mainly focusing on dmg right?

[candid night]

How does the vile's tick damage compare against pestilience plague?

[magic pilot]

They don't do anything for each other

[candid night]

No i meant damage done comparison

[magic pilot]

Depends on the build

[candid night]

I use the same gearset except with bluescreen & vile, but i lose out 2 piece petrov bonus(only have contractor gloves)

[merry stone]

is bluescreen worse than pesti doe??

[candid night]

Just a base weapon its lackluster, you pair it up with gear pieces for its effectiveness

I wish had option to use magnified scope

[blissful rampart]

bluescreen is stronger then pest tbh, cause of its much higher burst dps

[flint wave]

all its missing is some crit chance attachments

[tawdry flare]

hey azure what do you think we will see change in ourobors rpm?👀

[blissful rampart]

i doubt they will change it tbh

watch live stream for info

[tawdry flare]

i will play the game better than watching stream i will watch kvd for info cause that is at least funny and entertaining

[magic pilot]

Smg nerf

[tawdry flare]

i knew it

@blissful rampart i literally asked it few minutes ago 😂 😂

[blissful rampart]

SMG nerf but still hella strong lol

[magic pilot]

150 lower rpm

[tawdry flare]

yeah that nerf was much needed

[magic pilot]

Those descent rewards look great

[blissful rampart]

So nerfs it down to 1,485 RPM with 10% mod and 1m burst

[tawdry flare]

50% cache chnace?

[tawdry flare]

it comes closer to scorpio than it is to super 90 now

[blissful rampart]

hu??

[tawdry flare]

nice nemisis

loop 15-20 nice

[tawdry flare]

i mean burst dps wise scorpio is 977k and super 90 is 1173k ourobors was 1123k before but it is now ~1000k now

[blissful rampart]

ah okay

[slate wedge]

still strong but not as fun

they should have made the talent better

[tawdry flare]

no need to make a busted exo

we will only get more clickbaits

also perfect outsider focus highest dps for smg technically cause you can play with it at range

[livid horizon]

Can we save descent mode yet?

[slate wedge]

they took away the thing that made it so much fun tho

[tawdry flare]

not really it's still high dps

[slate wedge]

they should have made the damage lower but kept the rpm

[livid horizon]

1350 is still very high, and with strikers / umbra it will be silly

HF plus Exo SMG will also be very nice

[blissful rampart]

1350 before its 10% mod

[livid horizon]

i doubt that

[blissful rampart]

still very high burst dps and also has the bigger mag size still, so still very high dps

[livid horizon]

yeah, its a great gun

[blissful rampart]

yea still need to confirm once live but seems like they nerfed its base rpm down to that but might be the base ?? even if that already includes the mod, its still very high dps

[tawdry flare]

yeah lol no doubt

[round zinc]

ouro nerf doesn't seem...significant?

[blissful rampart]

it changes it from "Broken overpowered" down too "still really strong"

still highest burst dps

[lime moon]

Hey, so I made a build but idk If it’s any good

Is it fine if I show yall

[blissful rampart]

yup lots of helpful people here

[lime moon]

Is it any good

[bronze hound]

I'm assuming that's for pvp

[lime moon]

Yes

I’ve been working on it because my last few builds weren’t that good at damage and I kept getting swept fast

[magic pilot]

Get rid of 5.11

[tawdry flare]

5.11 👀 💀 real chad

[lime moon]

Yup, currently trying to look for a better backpack

Been getting trash ones

[magic pilot]

Also I would run fox over contractors with LD

[lime moon]

How do I accept

[flint wave]

pvping on shd 86 is real chad

[lime moon]

That’s all I do

[bronze hound]

good luck

[magic pilot]

He'll be more than fine with my group

[past gazelle]

Looking to make EB build once I get it from the raid, just wanted some input on what to grind for since I’m going to be working on getting the gear before the gun, just need to clear up some confusion to get the best possible outcome. So I want to use a EB build for pve while using a shotgun for my secondary which I’ll rarely use. Here’s what I’ve heard is good.
Mask: Coyotes- personally I’d rather run something else so what would I run there? (What Brand and stats too) Chest: Harnesk Fenris Chest with obliterate (Stats too) Holster: provinence (what stats) Backpack: The Gift with perfect vigilance (what stats) Gloves: Contractors (Stats) Kneepads: Fox Prayers (Stats)

By stats I mean attributes like chc and chd but I also need some survivability, I’m sitting at 1.1 mil armor and I feel comfortable

[blissful rampart]

EB is a middile of the road AR for pve. but if you really want to use it. it fits into any dps build (lots of dps build guides in the pinned sheet)

[past gazelle]

Alr thank you

[past gazelle]

Do you recommend strikers then to keep stacks?

[blissful rampart]

thats one of them yes.

EB fits pretty much all dps builds but is a middle of the road AR / option.

[strange heath]

Vile is boosted by overall status.
Plague is boosted from base weapon damage

with Golden Bullet, I am seeing 907k damage ticks with Pestilence

[elder delta]

Just getting back into things. Have a solo 5 directive heroic snipe build rn, ongoing directive pestilence build, and a striker set with coyote and sayers knees. can anyone point me to a good YouTuber or resource for builds. I just need to see the foundations of the meta etc then I can figure things out myself

Searching on YouTube is tough it’s a lot of old builds

[hexed steppe]

check the pins in this channel. there is a spreadsheet thats up to date with solid builds, all types. some also show a few variations to help you tailor the build to your playstyle . youtuber builds are somewhat click bait and usually not the most optimal setup

[elder delta]

👌

[candid night]

Wait those are insane numbers. 907k per tick! That's bigger than some shotguns dmg 😳

With vile, I'm seeing 50-90k dmg per tick

[shy basalt]

that's because they scale off different mechanics

vile scales off explosive damage and status damage, whereas pesti scales off weapon damage, and i'm assuming the 900k is at full stacks with a build completely optimized for it (which is usually suboptimal in other ways)

[bronze hound]

900k per tick on a shotgun is weak af

[vestal ibex]

Pest stacks become less and less useful right? Considering you'll be doing more damage you'd just kill stuff before pest stacks happen right?

[bronze hound]

pesti sucks outside pvp

[hazy valve]

They wanna tickle the enemies to death lol

[bronze hound]

then use sleigher

[hazy valve]

🤣🤣

[candid night]

Shotguns tick ?

[bronze hound]

meant per pellet

[candid night]

Still i dont think any shotgun has tick effects

[vestal ibex]

I know but it's one of those striker chest in solo heroic where you can't get to 200 stacks without trying to stack all the time cause you'll kill everything too fast.

[hazy steeple]

I would pay good money for a clock themed shotgun.
call it the "tick tick boom".

[candid night]

Oh you meant if you pair it with vile?

[bronze hound]

i have nmo idea what this means

[vestal ibex]

Breh

[bronze hound]

can you rephrase it using proper english

[vestal ibex]

I'd say the same thing tho.

[bronze hound]

do you need to borrow my english textbook 🤣

[vestal ibex]

Just tell me what you don't understand?

[candid night]

When you say tick did you mean the statusEffect icon with entire bar fully depleting or each depletion of the icon counts as a tick?

Cause each time the bar depletes i only get 50-60k dmg(if we count entire depletion i obv 200-250k dmg)

[bronze hound]

i dont understand the sentence

[vestal ibex]

I'm relating the striker chest to pest stacks. Striker chest dumb for most play cause the stacks are hard to maintain because you kill things so quickly.

[bronze hound]

oh okay

[tawdry flare]

Eeveictionary

[sturdy flower]

What are the recommended brand sets nowadays for 4 red 2 blue?

I'm still running 3/3 Providence defense and 1 Walker, Harris. 1 Ceska

but honestly feeling too squishy

I haven't played since hornet so dunno if it any new stuff has come out that's a better setup

[shy basalt]

clarify what exactly you're trying to do

what weapon are you trying to use, and is this just a build for general purpose?

[sturdy flower]

I usually run ARs + SMGs, rn it's Elmo's (obvious kinda) and a decent Vector 45. Just trying to do a general dps build for endgame stuff, running glass cannon is just hurting way too much with a full red setup.

It's all CHD, CHC, and weapon damage right now.

[shy basalt]

do you prefer a more tanky build or a more squishy one

[sturdy flower]

I don't mind squishy but trying to get a little more survivability honestly and I've seen a lot of people talk about just trading off 1 or 2 red attributes for something with an armor attribute

[shy basalt]

ok, do you have memento?

[sturdy flower]

I don't

[shy basalt]

how about coyote?

[sturdy flower]

I've been running coyote yeah

[shy basalt]

you can try running strikers setup

just target loot the strikers set in either countdown or summit

and your goal is to try to get a ceska chestpiece with crit chance, crit damage, and obliterate on it.

and strikers pieces for the remaining slots with crit damage already on it, so you can recalibrate the core to blue

[limber beacon]

anyone theorycrafting a grenade build with the new chest exotic?

[shy basalt]

i actually recommend 3/3 or 2/4 split favoring blues; even though a lot of people prefer to run 6 red here

but having blue cores helps a lot in solo content because dying really sucks lol

[sturdy flower]

I've just been struggling going 6 red especially with glass cannon on the build since I have no consistent group to play with

[shy basalt]

get blue cores lol

they help your shield as well

[sturdy flower]

yeah I've been doing a shield and decoy / or revive hive but with nobody to help give me an advantage 6 red is just way too much pressure on heroic especially when a bunch of minigun heavies decide to show up

or grenade launchers 💀

[hexed steppe]

Should use memento /tech if going shields. 3 tiers for basically nothing

[shy basalt]

he doesnt have memento lol

[sturdy flower]

Yeah I still have yet to get that I might have to countdown leech for it since my exotic cache luck is bad

[hexed steppe]

Thatll be a good thing to farm for.
It fits in a lot of builds

[sturdy flower]

I did just finish the research for tech and plan to max that out over the next few days

[shy basalt]

ya memento is the premier item for solo play

can do some fun stuff with it

[limber beacon]

it used to be in all my builds, and now it's in none lol

[sturdy flower]

my build is so old I've just yeah been behind so long the amount of gear they've added since like early year 2 is a headache to catch up with

[hexed steppe]

I use it in my HH build

[sturdy flower]

providence defense is basically a year 1 build lol

[shy basalt]

ya you just need to get strikers

[hexed steppe]

3prov grupo fox's contractors is still viable

[sturdy flower]

the only other build I bothered to make was the funny hornet chem launcher build when that was a thing

shoot once and everything just lights on fire throughout the entirety of their spawns

I'll spam countdown though and try to get a striker set up and yeah see if someone can help drop a memento

[livid horizon]

Do you need advice?

[tawdry flare]

lol 5.11 meta

35 revives ftw

[strange heath]

Running full red core. Backed by weapon handling for a near 2.5 second reload time. Base of 114.7k dmg

[livid horizon]

that's why I asked if he needed advice

[tawdry flare]

german speed runners lol

my incursion is loading for 10minutes

[magic pilot]

Seeing how it took some of the best players an hour an 30 min I see this taking me at least 4 hours

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[vestal ibex]

I bet after build tweaks and figuring some optimal ways of doing it this will be down to like 40-50 minutes by tomorrow.

If not even less.

IH raid was down to like 40 minutes within days of it's release and it took WAY longer to first clear it.

[vestal ibex]

Almost 1 revive per minute.

[tawdry flare]

yeah lol

[hazy valve]

Backpack talent for ongoing directive is good or na?

[urban latch]

Not worth it

[hazy valve]

K

[gentle lichen]

Take into consideration that the incursion is like fresh new so we don't exactly know what tricks we can use and builds

It'll improve by time

[magic pilot]

Yea ik

But I plan on running it today before everyone finds all this stuff out lol

[vestal ibex]

You best know

[magic pilot]

I see PFE striker being a strong option

[gentle lichen]

Will shield peeking work or are the areas open?

[magic pilot]

You can in some areas but npc tend to spawn around you

Healer 3 dps for second area and CC 3 dps for 3rd area seemed to work well

[vestal ibex]

Yeah map layout makes a huge diff. I'm thinking I'm gonna just mostly go into it blind. I've got builds set up for it so it really shouldn't be that hard.

[magic pilot]

I haven't see anyone play first area

It takes a ton of coordination

Second area is heavily dependent on clearing ads as fast as possible

[urban latch]

It took the first couple groups 40ish minutes playing through blind, so I'm guessing people will be doing sub-30 runs pretty quickly

[magic pilot]

Hopefully

[cyan drift]

GCROCK is nearing hour #3 but I thiiiink they're on the last guy

most of these areas look like they were meant for the new gear

[urban latch]

Who is he running with?

[tawdry flare]

yeah the last giy is the hunter with axe right?

[cyan drift]

penny dragunov and tierfiel

all four did both raids when they first came out, so they're used to this

unfortunate thing is that North America gets to try this stuff after everyone else, so I joined three hours into his stream and he's halfway through, people have already completed it, etc

so I just went for the new stuff instead

might be worth taking the backpack though, I dunno

[magic pilot]

What is that

Capacitor ui update looks awesome

[cyan drift]

I already changed it, this thing is so OP

I just killed a boss in 7 seconds without firing 🤣 what on earth

[tawdry raven]

Why does the tommy gun have so much aim assist

[urban latch]

It's a weird carry over mechanic from div 1

[cyan drift]

same with SVD being super accurate over cover

yet super unweildy when fired down sight

[vestal ibex]

No yellow sacrifice?

[cyan drift]

don't have one

[vestal ibex]

Welp 10 skill damage and status effect would give it a nice little boost.

[primal ermine]

It just spin to win ? xD

[cyan drift]

basically it's a get out of jail free card to anything within 25m that isn't chongas or machines

[vestal ibex]

Use the firewall shotgun side arm and put primers in them.

[cyan drift]

and you can just spam it as much as you want

[vestal ibex]

Okay those ticks aren't anything compared to EP.

[cyan drift]

yeah but it's wayyyy better at area denial

[blissful rampart]

New gear set is just bad tbh

also not way better area denial because EP can do it too with better skills and much higher damage

[cyan drift]

I'm watching teams do the Wright fight in the incursion and just thinking it would block out a lot of adds

[blissful rampart]

a big issue of new gear set is that fire turret still meh and with LONG AF cooldown even with the gear set

[primal ermine]

Yea, i think this set created for content like incursion or raid to lockdown a certain area

[cyan drift]

it's great at that locking-down-an-area-of-adds but otherwise it's really bad in big open areas

like on attacking CPs it's useless

[vestal ibex]

Probs still better to EP foam and let a dps get them.

[hazy valve]

Would anyone know if the collector adds damage to the status effect grenades do such as bleed or burn?

[cyan drift]

I know it adds damage to the cluster nades, but the fire nade doesn't deal any damage itself, so I doubt it

the shrapnel does though so, maybe

[blissful rampart]

Fire EP does area lock down much better then new gearset with fire turret FYI

[primal ermine]

The grenade named chest and backpack perk sound insane with replenish on kill and all those giant range xD

[hazy valve]

I know it adds damage to the explosion but does it adds that damage to the bleed as well?

[cyan drift]

I doubt it, that'd be status effects

[blissful rampart]

i havent checked it BUT if its coded the same as other grenade stuff then it doesnt boost the status effect damage. (which seems to be coded the same)

[cyan drift]

I lose track of what does what in this game

[hazy valve]

Welp, best way to check is I go home later n test my self

[hazy valve]

I'll let u know if it does later

[cyan drift]

the grenade launcher can prok caesar's guard, that's kind of where the mess started *in my brain

doesn't count as skill damage or get boosted by anything, but still counts as a skill kill

[blissful rampart]

JUST PSA Spreadsheet is fully updated to live patch (pending new exo LMG and SMG stats recheck)

[vestal ibex]

The red numbers being the ones you want to verify?

[blissful rampart]

if yall get the New exo guns, please DM me a screen shot of there in game base stats 😄 and their mods too

yes but also in game screen shot too if possible

[magic pilot]

The new lmg has highest dps base

[blissful rampart]

if its the same as PTS then yes, but need to re check live patch

[vestal ibex]

classic M60 enters the chat....

[blissful rampart]

yea but much lower dps on m60 lol

[vestal ibex]

Oh wait you said base dps which is confusing.

[blissful rampart]

base DAMAGE

oh he did though

[vestal ibex]

Yeah was just confusing.

I get what they were saying now tho.

[blissful rampart]

if no changes to iron lung then it comes out with 720,840 burst dps vs Cm60 of 528,883

both new exo guns fall under the "great base stats but crap talents" lol

[vestal ibex]

These new exotics just have crazy dps no matter how you look at it. Wonder what made them change their mind on making low damage exotics was.

[blissful rampart]

no clue but its a very sad way of making new exos good QQ

they should have same gun stats but a strong talent IMHO .

[vestal ibex]

Yeah I think the talents should be fun and interactive.

[onyx sage]

yeah. i like the earlier exotics because of their talents which give more depth than just their raw stats tbh

[vestal ibex]

Yeah if they gave damage boost to some of the earlier exotics with better talents I'd probably use them more.

[onyx sage]

yeah, i REALLY want to use pestilence more

[magic pilot]

@blissful rampart

[blissful rampart]

got that part 😛 just need its base damage now (and then same for ironlung and its mods

[slate wedge]

maaaaaaan

[tulip charm]

You got all the keys?

[tulip charm]

gz

[dreamy valve]

Can Ouroboros drop on any difficulty?

does Incursion have difficulty settings?

[blissful rampart]

Incursion only, and incurions have no difficulty setting its only 1 setting

10% from weekly clear and 1% from its bosses

[dreamy valve]

I see

[stiff orbit]

@blissful rampart hey, for TDI Kard Custom what mods do you suggest for utility?

[blissful rampart]

doesnt matter since not used for damage. but chc mods like normal

[stiff orbit]

my bad, i meant talent. Not mod.

i have one with sledgehammer and another one with future perfect

[blissful rampart]

sledgehammer

[mystic fractal]

What's a good build for the incursion? Will a skill build work, or should I go with a DPS build?

[tulip charm]

I would go dps to be safe

[magic pilot]

Go full skill build try it out

[urban latch]

Strategies are obviously still being figured out since it's brand new, but having good DPS builds, a tank, and a FI healer are all good to have. Check the pinned spreadsheet for guides

[stiff orbit]

just run in there with 6p striker

you’ll be fine

[mystic fractal]

Oh hell no

[vestal ibex]

More parts make or mo betta.

[stiff orbit]

doesn’t have nbbp, bad

[vestal ibex]

No chameleon either. Missing out yo.

[calm tartan]

This is my dps hybrid build

Looking for pointers

About to post my tank build

Tank build

[hollow pasture]

Being lvl 196 the tope one isn't bad at all

[calm tartan]

@hollow pasture I do want to replace my chest talent cause it's glass cannon

I get smoked when shield breaks

[hollow pasture]

You could probably replace a blue core tbh and have another red instead on the top one

[calm tartan]

@hollow pasture they were red I was told to replace them to armor for more survivability

[hollow pasture]

You could use obliterate instead of glass on the chest

If you don't feel comfortable

[magic pilot]

Just remove glass for more survivability lol

[hollow pasture]

Yep

[tranquil inlet]

great job on that :D

[hollow pasture]

Replace a blue core with red and get obliterate imo

[mystic fractal]

This is my skill build. I could use some pointers if possible.

[calm tartan]

Wats obliterate do?

[hollow pasture]

Critical hits increase total weapon damage by 1% for 5 seconds
Stacks to 25 times

[flint wave]

flashlight

unironically

[calm tartan]

@hollow pasture oh that's sweet

[stiff orbit]

your build is all over the place man. What did you want to do with this build? Because it looks like you’re trying to do everything.

[stiff orbit]

meant talents

[mystic fractal]

What do you mean?

also not a man

[flint wave]

💀

what are these brandsets lmao

[tawdry flare]

@magic pilot @urban latch finally did yhe incursion lol

[flint wave]

gg

[mystic fractal]

Hana-U and China Light.

[tawdry flare]

3hrs 20mins

[flint wave]

With creeping death, overwatch and survivalist

big brain

[mystic fractal]

Creeping Death is for spreading fire from the Imperial Dynasty.

[flint wave]

fire that does how much damage

Not alot that's for sure

[mystic fractal]

Enough.

[flint wave]

Enough for normal difficulty

[mystic fractal]

It does enough. My big thing is the seekers.

And the drone. Overwatch is because I have a tendency to stay in cover. >.>

If you can suggest better talents for somebody who wants to spam seekers from cover for the memes.... (btw, I default to heroic--and I do fairly well, so...)

[flint wave]

Perfectly skilled from Caesars guard
Or
The hardwire gearset(with backpack)

[mystic fractal]

Mind, this is all going away once I get my Ortiz build set up and can become the Goddess of Hellfire like I was in Division 1. >.>

[candid night]

Holy that's insane

[urban latch]

I'm current [insert Squidward meme] sitting at work

[tawdry flare]

lol didnt get ouroboros though 🥲

38 revives 🤣

[urban latch]

Neither of those are remotely worth running on that build. Imperial dynasty is just a flat out terrible exotic, and your far better off using a different backpack talent on that build like tech support.

I'd also either decide if you want to run an explosive build (demo, mortar launcher, etc) or a more standard skill build with assault drone + turret.

[mystic fractal]

Why not seekers though? I'm not trying to be argumentative or anything, I'm genuinely wondering why I should swap away from seekers when they've done quite well for me thus far.

[rich lotus]

@tawdry flare what would you say was the biggest reason it took 3:20?

[tawdry flare]

final boss

it took 2 hrs cause

[rich lotus]

If you didn't have something (a specific build, etc) at the final boss that you really wish you had, what was it?

[tawdry flare]

of figuring out how if you kill the other boss first 2nd one becomes immortal

[tawdry flare]

striker pfe or striker with chest is the best build

[rich lotus]

Interesting, OK

[tawdry flare]

so you have to kill first the small one and the other one at the end

they are totally immune to damage for some time and heal like crazy

i did it without mic

[rich lotus]

Did you have any healers, and if so, did they help a lot?
Also, does anything stop the boss(es) healing or slow it down?

[tawdry flare]

healer is fine at hunter axe boss

otherwise it is all dps

striker chest is bis for this mode

and Scorpio

also they are totally immune to status 99% of the time

[rich lotus]

Thanks for the advice. Good luck getting Ouro ❤️

[tawdry flare]

you too

[magic pilot]

They heal when they are close together that's why lol

[tawdry flare]

no the little one can solo heal also

[urban latch]

You can definitely run them, but your better off making something like a HW build if your expecting them to be a major damage source for you, or run a more pure explosive build where they will be playing second fiddle to a mortar turret. Right now by going assault drone and seekers your basically combining 2 separate types of skill builds into one less effective combo version.

[mystic fractal]

Huh, ok. I mean, I solo a lot so I just put together something that worked well for me.

[urban latch]

Check out these from the spreadsheet for what I'm talking about:

High end drone/turret build

Hardwire build This guide is more for a role on razorback in dark hours, but basically you'd just swap emp for seekers and btsu gloves for China light gloves. Second skill would be any deployable skill of your choice, and demo spec

Pure explosive mortar build

[mystic fractal]

That, and I do sometimes put together meme-y builds, just for laughs.

[hexed steppe]

If you like the status aspect of the build you posted you can also run fire chem/sticky eclipse or riot foam/fire sticky eclipse.
The status spreads from npc death to everything within 15m and can be really strong if setup proper

[mystic fractal]

hmm.

What specialist class? Firebug, or Gooner?

Mind you, I like all the specs, but Survivalist has always been my go-to because of the fire grenades. >.>

[tulip charm]

It depends on the build

[flint wave]

Gunner overall tbh

armor and rof on kill with always regenerating ammo and extra weapon handling when standing still is pretty good

wait with the eclipse build its firewall(20% more burn duration)

[mystic fractal]

hmm. And I do like my Chungus Deathmatches.

[mystic fractal]

OK, so for Eclipse--should I go full-set, or 4 piece 1 exotic 1 brand?

[flint wave]

Idk why "full set" is even a question because it doesn't do anything

but yes 4pcs eclipse with bag and chest with the exotic vile mask with electrique or Golan brandset(10% status effects)

[mystic fractal]

Cool. And yeah, I keep having to remind myself this isn't the days when I could clear a room with seekers and a 6-piece Ongoing Directive hoovering all the ammo every 30 seconds.

[urban latch]

Eclipse guide

[mystic fractal]

Thank you both

[hexed steppe]

Survivalist with eclipse. Boost teamate for status. Lefty or stage left are a good secondary on survival eclipse cause of those fire nades as well 👍

[onyx sage]

wow how did you make that a link?

[onyx sage]

||it's an inside joke, raucey asked me some time ago||

[lilac agate]

as someone who never did legendary missions, whats a good build to focus on if i want to min max one build only for legendary missions?

[tulip charm]

a good DPS build, FI, or EP

[waxen nova]

youtube builds strike again?

[lilac agate]

FI EP ? havent played in a long time, what are those acronyms?

[tulip charm]

Future Initiative and Eclipse Protocol

[urban latch]

A strikers build. The more casual answer would be a drone/turret skill build, who h works but is a lot slower

[mystic fractal]

OK, thoughts?

The Kingbreaker in the Primary slot is a placeholder. I can always use something else.

Skills are Flaming Stickybomb and Firestarter.

[flint wave]

For solo this is my best I just replace mask with coyotes when it comes to groups

[hexed steppe]

If using fire use capacitor

[mystic fractal]

Capacitor it is!

[waxen nova]

would Striker be fine for Dark Hours? or is it better to stick with 3prov, fox and grupo obliterate?

[tulip charm]

Its fine

I would build the latter for IH in the future

and to get used to raid enviroment

[waxen nova]

rn im going into Countdown seeing if there's a difference for me using Striker with a chest or obliterate

[lilac agate]

im gonna try that 😄 what should i use if i dont have elmos?

[tulip charm]

chest higher peak damage
obliterate slightly less damage ,easier to manage stacks, and much more consistent

[waxen nova]

but in a mode where there's higher damage and alot of ads

[flint wave]

Police m4 or carbine(hard to get) if you want a similar weapon handling and optimal range to elmos but plenty like the famas too

[waxen nova]

I feel like I prolly could make the excuse to use a striker chest

[hexed steppe]

It's just if you can maintain them or not. You'll know pretty quick either way

[waxen nova]

yeah

[tawdry raven]

What's gonna be the best 3rd attribute for the iron lung?

[lilac agate]

what talent for famas? i have a max rolled one already 🙂

[waxen nova]

imagine using the iron lung

[flint wave]

fast hands

[waxen nova]

Strained or Fast Hands

[tawdry raven]

I'm not i still wanna God roll it

Maybe idk

[flint wave]

oh yeah with non elmo ars the ceska or grupo piece can't have weapo. Handling

[tawdry raven]

Idk why it has 2 mods that each add 10% Chd each

[flint wave]

or else it's below 60% chc

[waxen nova]

get an elmo

simple as that

[lilac agate]

i just launched the game for the first time in 2 years, im working on it! but i need a build first

[waxen nova]

M4 I only use for Flatline

crossing my fingers for some spec rework so i can use gunner and the link laser🤞

[flint wave]

you can easily use those weapons for perfect focus builds which are also great in legendary

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[blissful rampart]

for LMGS top 3rd attribute is ROF but DTA and CHC are also good.

also Iron Lung is actually a top LMG, just cause of its base stats lol bad talent though

[tawdry raven]

I was thinking chc cuz of it's 2 Chd mods

Idk why they chose 2 10% Chd for mods

[hazy valve]

No talent is a bad talent!

😂

[waxen nova]

what is with good stat exotics with dogwater talents?

we've been getting alot of those lately

[honest kite]

yo anyone got a good pvp/dz build I'm relatively new and dont know what builds are worth running in pvp

[waxen nova]

if you're reletively new should you really be pvping?

[honest kite]

prolly a good point but i want a build to focus on getting

[waxen nova]

focus on a pve build

[hazy valve]

^

[magic pilot]

You can jump straight into pvp

You just need to be a demon

Check the pinned spreadsheet

[versed summit]

you have to start at some point, if you acrually care about PvP, so doesn't really matter when

[waxen nova]

depends on how new you are

[magic pilot]

Blue screen looks bad ass now wtf

[waxen nova]

waiting for Dread's makeover

[solar venture]

remain scope-less

[mellow flint]

@rich lotus

[rich lotus]

Saved

[tawdry raven]

they moved determined to fix live but its still working

[elder delta]

perfect determined got fixed it looks like

[tawdry raven]

perfect was always fixed\

[clever merlin]

got the exotic on wright lol

[rich lotus]

How good is it? I've heard its overpowered

[clever merlin]

i shared it lol dont really care

[rich lotus]

Damnn😅 I wouldn't have done that. How long did it take to get through incursions?

[clever merlin]

took like an hour for wright we're at the final boss

[rich lotus]

So wright might drop it? Damn I mange to get to that part with some randoms and we kept dying so they left. That's inconvenient

[clever merlin]

yeah 1% i heard

[round zinc]

Idk how to describe it but the fingers on your character’s left hand looks so wrong

Like the way the gun is held your thumb should be seen here

[hollow pasture]

Level 769 that didn't care for the incursion exotic and just gave it away
See smth new everyday

[urban latch]

give it a week for people to figure out common strategies and it will be pretty straight forward

it just came out today, so its pretty expected casual players are struggling

[hollow pasture]

I think you replied to the wrong message if I'm not mistaken 😅

[clever merlin]

Tbf I just got invited to the boss so I skipped a lot of the incursion

[hollow pasture]

Fair

[clever merlin]

Wright was fun though nerve racking if you're the healer

[bronze hound]

Yikes good luck

Wright took us like 5 tries

[hollow pasture]

Yes doing with randoms I kept getting the agro onto me so I had to spam my chem heals Alot while being chased

[clever merlin]

Yeah we called it quits we almost killed Johnson but that stupid kid is annoying

[hollow pasture]

Altough tbh the hive in the middle did most of the work

[clever merlin]

Yup

Hive in middle and boost whenever there's that big damage phase

[hollow pasture]

On lovebirds we just kept emping the kid

Seemed to work

[hazy valve]

what, u can emp the kid?

[hollow pasture]

I just overcharged jammed as the healer

[bronze hound]

Fexxy and I just uh

[hollow pasture]

Pretty sure it damages him

[bronze hound]

Johnson got stuck and we gunned em both down xD

[hollow pasture]

That's how we did it

[hazy valve]

yea eevee and i 2 man the incursion

[tulip charm]

I always gunned down the kid

[bronze hound]

No like Johnson just outright got stuck on something and never went to mid

[tulip charm]

.....

[bronze hound]

Lmao

[hazy valve]

lmao

[bronze hound]

Fexxy can verify this

[hazy valve]

i have it on video

[bronze hound]

Wait actually?

[hazy valve]

my overwolf recoreded the entire incursion lol

i always forget to turn it off

[bronze hound]

Clip that last part

Send me the vid of him getting stuck

[hazy valve]

let me see hold on

[hazy valve]

it didnt record >:( damn it

[tulip charm]

f

[hazy valve]

well regardless im prob gonna do the incursion again tomorrow just to get the last comm

[tulip charm]

i need the one before wright

or after

[blissful parcel]

hey guys starting off fresh any good tips on starting off with skills and such

[hazy valve]

after

[bronze hound]

Tell me how

[hazy valve]

idk how to get it, but imma do it again to find out lol

[tulip charm]

is it the one with the golden gate?

[hazy valve]

ye

[tulip charm]

thats the last one I need

[bronze hound]

It must be bugged

[tulip charm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow pasture]

I spent 5 plus minutes trying to get it

Anyone tried going back to the valves rooms and activating valves in order

[bronze hound]

Gotta be bugged then

[hollow pasture]

Cuz you can do that

[bronze hound]

Doubt that does anything

[hollow pasture]

Idk it's eitheir bugged or very well hidden

[bronze hound]

I think bugged

[hollow pasture]

(or incredibly obvious)

[bronze hound]

Makes no sense to hide

[vague frost]

Guys does skill dmg benefit fire turret? Or status effect is better?

[long marlin]

Just getting back into the game what are the best dps builds atm

[sturdy flower]

for a strikers setup should I run the pieces in my holster/kneepads/gloves/mask and still try to get a class cannon chestpiece along with memento?

also which slots are recommended for a blue core

I've got a bunch of pieces ready for recalibration im just not sure what should go where

[hexed steppe]

If planning on using memento you can do that. I would go oblit over glass as a chest talent for a bit more survivability. Every blue core you use will lower your damage, but thatll kinda be a preference thing. If you use a shield tho, memento w/tech spec can give 3 tiers while still keeping 6 red cores.

Striker bag/coyote mask/ceska oblit chest are fairly optimal damage setup for striker.

[sturdy flower]

I'm trying to go hybrid for a little survivability especially for the new content so yeah I'll try to get an obliterate.

[sturdy flower]

I'm just not sure if a blue core in the mask slot / backpack would be preferable or just the minor slots

[hexed steppe]

The location of a core does not matter with the exception of a few items. Exotic cores can change and something like picaros has a locked red core.
Memento will be locked in with all 3 cores.
Other than that, what core you put in an item is irrelevant. Your core mix will be the same whether you but your blue in a mask, glove, holster.

If you need to say change a minor stat on an item that maincore will be locked in because you can only recalibrate i core/attribute per item.

[rich lotus]

[I'm not leaving that long, gross URL in there. Really wish Evernote had its own built-in URL shorteners]

What @hexed steppe is referring to is in the pinned build spreadsheet in this channel. Welcome back, that spreadsheet is a good friend of yours at the moment especially considering how much has changed

I assumed I could come back and take my old red DPS build (Bakers Dozen/M1A, Providence/Coyote) into anything and just continue shredding. Nope!

[sterile estuary]

This is my current Offensive Shield Pistol build. Main idea is to face tank everything and kill things with the pistol. And feedback?

[livid horizon]

You want a regulus or d50 and headhunter in chest

Plus some rolls of hsd

[sterile estuary]

Alright, I'll keep an eye out for those.

Reassigned is kinda fun tho ngl, not that great but it's works as some weird Russian Roulette.

[eager scroll]

Why not run ninjabike, named d&h mask, picaro holster, named w&h chest, 1x belston und 1x golan? Same regen, roll it blue with some headshot rolls and would do way more dmg? Shield would be easiely tier 6 with 2 blue and 2 Yellow thanks to ninjabike+ picaro alone, add two blue rolls on belston and golan and you have tier 6 shield.

[sterile estuary]

Because I don't have Ninjabike yet lol

Returning player here, last played during Keener's Legacy, just returned on the 3rd last day of the last Season.

[hexed steppe]

You also lose a damage talent that is never made up no matter how many stats you unlock with ninja*

[sterile estuary]

Er, the first one. I heard there's a rerun.

[eager scroll]

You could even change the specialisation to gunner to ger even more armor on kill or tech with tech hive for shield repair

[eager scroll]

He is not runnning a dmg talent right now i think

[hexed steppe]

It is for headhunter? If so they will need that vigilance to hit damage needed

[eager scroll]

Amd dmg talent on bp... vigilance wont be up much, companion might be workable i guess.

Vigilance in solo gameplay with a tanky shield build? You get hit so much it wont be up at all.

And as long as it is not heroic a d50 should still be able to start oneshot chains with red mobs in solo/duo without a dmg talent on bp.

Even without lvl 20 expertise upgreade on that pistol.

[sterile estuary]

Oh right that weird Expertise thing. I should actually know what that thing do huh.

[eager scroll]

He could also not run headhunter if headshots are difficult, would match his tanky base conzept.

Then it would more be a grind the enemys to death instead oneshot everything.

Might be easier at the start till you get the rythem of enemy movment again. Then liberty might still be viable. But it is not as effective as headhunter oneshots... by a fair margin.

[eager scroll]

Tldnr: lvl each gear increases expertise lvl which allows upgrade of lvled gear till expertise lvl. Max lvl is 24 right now i think. On weapons every lvl grants 1% weapondmg.

Lvl gear while using or donating it at recalibration/optimizstion station.

Basically even more unfair than shd lvl 1k, but way more grindy.

And dmg meta right now is something like 4x striker with coyote and some random high end chest with obliterate i think. Combine it with any AR and you are good to go.

Have seen people run that with 3-4 blue cores with gunner for armor on kill and crusader. Works fine it seems.

Outside of incusion, raid and legendary it does not really mater. We do way to much dmg right now

[hexed steppe]

Vigilance doesnt drop on shield hits or bonus armor hits... but if not vigilance then memento would be preferred over ninja as it gives regen/damage/main cores

[eager scroll]

Yeah, memento would work too, just personally do not like it. Guess for solo gameplay it is probably an even better choice.

[hexed steppe]

So like Hf HH pistol all plays into memento. Even in a group it will excel. Headhunter going* to be getting consistent kills if setup proper.
I use memento on a regular hotshot HH with whitedeath and always have a ton of trophy available. I've actually ran the setup with ninja as well and it's like a 4-5mil difference in top end. Vigilance in same setup is like an 8mil difference from ninja

[eager scroll]

And also, not sure if i am just bad with shields npcs tend to spread out and i get hit often from sides, where there is no shield

[sterile estuary]

Soz went out for stuff. Thanks much for the advice, I'll definitely try it out!

[candid night]

Dont use shield like a tank

[hexed steppe]

That's where memento would definitly be preferred then. If it's like regulus HH it's getting the aoe effect so less getting through

But d50 you have to hit everything

[eager scroll]

Well d50 determind is still working, corret?

[hexed steppe]

It should be. Determined wd was working after new season

[eager scroll]

That would be the mini regulus at the end.

[candid night]

Btw are talents unique for weapons & gear?

I can't use something like strained on chest piece or bag, no?

[eager scroll]

Perfet talents and exotics yes, everything else no

No slots are a thing. Chest is chest, bp is bp

[hexed steppe]

Some weapon talents wont be available on other types.
All gear types are kinda locked in talents with companion/perf companions being a weird exception

[eager scroll]

At least they fixed the multi stacking

[candid night]

Double companion still a thing right, and they both stack each other right?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[eager scroll]

Nah, fixed

[candid night]

Pain

[hexed steppe]

Yeah they work together, just not double procing each

[eager scroll]

If they did not mess up in the patch and reintroduced it like determined

Maybe better test it, you never know with those patches

[limber field]

yo, does double companion still multiply as of this season or has that been patched?

[eager scroll]

Has bin patched weeks ago. As i said, if not reintroduced it should no longer do that

[harsh crest]

Eclipse still king in regards of fire builds?

[eager scroll]

I think the new set is still to new to really tell that

There are some possible builds that might be stronger debending on how the multis stack with each other

[hexed steppe]

Yes

[eager scroll]

Probably till end of week someone will have tested it and start screaming if it is stronger. If nothing will be heard eclipse remains king.

[hexed steppe]

No chance in the new set outburning anything. It's too limited

[harsh crest]

I took quite the break, for .. well crashing reasons.. what would you recommend in terms of dps setups?

[hexed steppe]

Striker is really good. Nego also , or headhunter setup if you're decent with snipers

Striker is highest single target damage atm

[harsh crest]

Striker mhm.. Saw someone using ninja bike with 3x umbra + 2x striker
I guess you mean striker with BP, a decent chest and coyote?

[hexed steppe]

Yeah no ninja, striker bag, ceska oblit , coyote all rolls to chd/ ceska and coyote secondary chc will be enough with brand/watch/st elmo. You may need a chc mod if no elmo

[harsh crest]

Ah, I missed that crash-fest..

[harsh crest]

I take it 45%CHC is enough with this setup?

Or I'll farm with a cheska mask and groupo chest till I get my hands on a good cheska chest

[proper lagoon]

What's Better? Firewall Minigunner technician or sharpshooter or survivalist or demolisionist? pick say 1 if survivalist 2 if firewall 3 if minigunner 4 if technician 5 sharpshooter or 6 demolisionist

[sturdy flower]

I'm just gonna bite the bullet and go without an oblit ceska

I feel the only chance i'm gonna have of getting a good roll is if i go in CD with a full squad and hopefully someone else gets a full red

like goddamn

that or atleast a 2 red with an oblit and i can just recal one attribute

but no

[livid horizon]

thats ok no?

[sturdy flower]

with a 70 round mag in the elmos upkeeping enough striker gamble stacks should be easy enough running the full set to compensate i think

it aint gonna work well for anything lower than challenging but

not like that matters

[livid horizon]

what were you trying to get?

GC?

[sturdy flower]

I have a Sacrifice but been trying to make the switch to oblit

glass cannon just gets annoying for solo

i just can't get lucky in either route for ceska

can't get one with oblit that I can just recalibrate one attribute on

and can't get a full red i can just recalibrate oblit onto

spent like 9 hours doing CD nonstop and not a damn thing

season level 29 already but no luck at all

[livid horizon]

dont grind it, just play the game and it will drop eventually

[sturdy flower]

I'm just gonna full squad it tonight and see if I can just leech a drop if my own doesn't show up

[hexed steppe]

ideally youll want to hit north of 50% chc. with elmo and everything chd youll hit 52% if max watch. if no elmo and 1 extra 6%chc roll/mod youll be at 53% as long as you chc all weapon mods

[elder delta]

I’m in the same boat. I have to run a strikers chest and when fully stacked it’s Goated but eh

It’s annoying sometimes. I’d like to have the option to not

[blissful rampart]

just use a normal chest but with obliterate, even if it has the wrong 2nd stats, its still better then using the "wrong" talent

obviously you want the correct stats but that takes time.

[waxen nova]

really wish the Backfire can transfer a bleed

would be so nice for a Bleed build

[urban latch]

It only bleeds you, not enemies

[waxen nova]

that's why I said I wish you could be able to transfer the bleed

the Backfire needs a rework so bad

[urban latch]

Sadist is literally the strongest talent in the game on bleeding enemies, just use that for a bleed build

[waxen nova]

I am I'm just saying it be nice if the Backfire could transfer be nice alternate

[hexed steppe]

you already have that ability with ridgeway chest.. backfire a good component tho 😆

[waxen nova]

Yeah was thinking that, mostly I just want Backfire to be useful

[hexed steppe]

it has a very specific use... as an expertise upgrade material. its just one of those trash items you dont feel bad about breaking down

[waxen nova]

but feel bad that it can't amount to anything more

[hexed steppe]

well you could use it on a hazpro build , maybe youll be the one to break the backfire code

[waxen nova]

doubt

hazpro isn't worth it, it'll do to little damage

feel like there should be some bleed mechanic that you can play with, with the Backfire

like if you try to get the most damage out of the Backfire it'll kill you in one tick, if you try and make the bleed not do anything on you then you're stuck with a peashooter

[urban latch]

If theres going to be items that are strong, that means there will be items that are weak

[onyx sage]

so philosophical

but true

[waxen nova]

this isn't weak this is just completely unusable and has no business being this bad

it's like Pest not being a status(maybe not that bad)

[candid night]

goofy ah starter build

[waxen nova]

whoever thought making the Pest debuff not a status prolly a demom lul

[waxen nova]

Bluescreen looking so nice

[candid night]

ikr

new model lookin hella sleek

[waxen nova]

honestly the original model was nice

but damn

Dread needs something soon though lmao

[magic pilot]

Pulled an orbit on 4th run

[bronze hound]

Lol that's neat

[upper patrol]

SMG or Sniper build? first time playing and lvl 35 SHD, atm doing skills build

[bronze hound]

Definitely not sniper

[upper patrol]

even if i have the cobra one? xD

[bronze hound]

That's not a sniper

It's worse

I suggest AR because it can be used in more content

[hexed steppe]

Easiest dps to put together is striker

[upper patrol]

i was thinking on going SMG + Striker or Hunter's fury

[upper patrol]

AR > SMG for the beggining grind?

[bronze hound]

smgs are more proprietary than ars

[upper patrol]

What do you mean?

[sterile scarab]

Is outboros highest DPS gun ?

[blissful rampart]

among the highest yes (some shotguns are higher)

highest SMG though by far

[hollow pasture]

Yea shotguns are like nukes
Compared to other weapons DPS

But yes oro is right up there

[upper patrol]

Ok so between Hunters Fury vs Striker for a begginer, which is would suit the best?

[blissful rampart]

Striker cause it doesnt lock you into CQB and CQB requires smarter play tbh

[formal halo]

Striker

[hazy steeple]

@upper patrol Hunters Fury is nice too though due to the self-healing, allowing you to have a bit of a safety net.
Definitely less DPS overall though, but that doesn't super matter in the early endgame.

[upper patrol]

ty all 🙂

Following Strikers (TU18) build from the excel, just don't know what to use on the armour

Atm got this

[blissful rampart]

the guide tells you

[upper patrol]

trying to find it, can only find the weapon ones

Strained

Fast Hands

Flatline

[sturdy flower]

Try to get a chest roll with Obliterate

Ceska is the preferable brand for an extra 10% chc

but just anything with oblit can work until you get that ceska roll

[blissful rampart]

read the "DPS Loadout:" section

[upper patrol]

oh shit thanks

[sturdy flower]

Glass Cannon is an option too

if you don't mind taking an extra 60% damage

[upper patrol]

is recalibration an option to get a chest with olbiterate?

[sturdy flower]

You can yeah if you have obliterate archived

I would do it just to have a piece with it while your farming a god roll ceska

[upper patrol]

actually missing that one 😄

[sturdy flower]

but farming for ceska yeah you'll want one that inherits it at base so you can recalibrate an attribute if you have to

[blissful rampart]

recalibration lets you change a talent or stat on an item to what ever you want. so yes

[upper patrol]

to grind i go

[sturdy flower]

the catch is can only do it once

[blissful rampart]

not exactly

you can do it unlimited times but get locked to only able to do that slot for that item.

[upper patrol]

yep i tried to do it already, for what i see is that i cannot get the "perfect" mod and can only do skill or attributes

[sturdy flower]

I still don't have perfect mods either tbh

[blissful rampart]

time to farm

[sturdy flower]

my recalibrations are all maxed out by now but my mods still drop at like 4-5% for chc

if there's some way to improve them im clueless

[vestal ibex]

Keep playing, you'll eventually get better ones. You might not have a max set of mods ever regardless it's not going to affect your build too much.

[sturdy flower]

honestly with as much printer filaments as I never use

they should just let us optimize them

i know it doesn't matter too much compared to gear rolls but yeah

farming them as targeted loot is just a waste so yeah it feels like a good qol change would just be mod optimization

[blissful rampart]

farm legendary summit with mods target loot, highest chance to get high rolled mods. but still big RNG (just less)

[vestal ibex]

Idk I've got tons, pretty much a set of the important ones for two characters. It's just a nice oh hey max mod pick up as fav.

[sullen sun]

Does this make sense?

[upper patrol]

can i still get St. Elmo's Engine?

apparently is BiS for Striker build

[blissful rampart]

yes you can (its in target loot pool) and no its not Bis but it is a strong choice still

Bis is famas or new smg Oraborous exotic tbh

[upper patrol]

aight, Famas the normal one?

[blissful rampart]

yup

[upper patrol]

need to get one

[hexed steppe]

Trade out vile and electrique. It's not doing a whole lot.
For dps , regular highend would be stronger ... there is kind of a division in current that is causing it to be less than optimal. Jmo tho since I havent run like this previous. How does it play for you?

If you like the status side of things hunters fury is strong dps with an automatic status on kill ... possibly red eclipse could be really interesting, especially if you double amp with glass and ep bag (vile would be really strong under a double amp like that)

[trail hinge]

Anyone come up with anything fun for Iron Lung yet?

[rich cosmos]

Are there any interesting builds I could make with elmos engine? Would status effect be good with it

[trail hinge]

Elmo's basically just slots into any DPS/AR build

The status effect it gives is basically just an extra thing, it isn't what you build around

In my experience at least

[rich cosmos]

I just need more unique builds to mess around with that allow me to use it and still get damage from it

I cant really think of much to do with it

I kinda want to try messing around with ninjabike bp and healing skills

[elder delta]

Elmo’s is pretty solid for strikers