td2-build-advice

[flint wave]

solo is ran on focus last I checked

[bronze hound]

pretty sure its ran on headhunter

[vestal ibex]

HH HF enters the chat

[flint wave]

there's still ar sections

[bronze hound]

fuck do you mean ar sections lmfao its speedrunning

[tawdry flare]

it's a mix of both

[flint wave]

entirety of roosevelt island and dua entrance and somewhere in the middle of dua

[bronze hound]

ah

[tawdry flare]

you can't hh entire capitol last part need focus

everything else can be hh in capitol legendary

[bronze hound]

well in general you cant compare generic play to speedrunning

[flint wave]

obviously not using focus in heroic lol

[tawdry flare]

solo legendary and solo legendary speedrunning are two different things

[vestal ibex]

Speed running is just where you go nyoooom out loud and have your arms behind you while running right?

[flint wave]

it's just running but faster yeah

[vestal ibex]

You really think legendary 4 man teams be doing runs in under 6 minutes just AR focus pitter patter feet...

[flint wave]

legendary group is easy

and no they dont

[bronze hound]

lol

[hazy valve]

Quick question: if ur using dodge city holster, u basically want max headshot damage right?

[bronze hound]

you want max hsd for hh

[vestal ibex]

What build?

[bronze hound]

was referring to my hhf build

[hazy valve]

If u wanna use regulus

[flint wave]

can you even reach 150% hsd with hhf?

[bronze hound]

yes

155

[flint wave]

providence or no

[bronze hound]

no

[vestal ibex]

Isn't it way more?

[bronze hound]

155 with memento*

165 w/o

[hazy valve]

Cause with obvious headshot damage amplifying dodge city which does already 1000% max, then uses regulus with its perk of converting 400% of that damage into an explosion

Sounds pretty neat lol

[vestal ibex]

I think it's 30ish mil on the boom or so?

I forget. Exactly.

[bronze hound]

i think lower than that with hhf

could be wrong

[bronze hound]

i was referring to m870 hsd my bad

[vestal ibex]

ahhh

[bronze hound]

oops lol

[flint wave]

I thought so

[vestal ibex]

165% if I had a perfect mod.

[flint wave]

I was like where tf does the other 50% come from

[vestal ibex]

Shotguns have some innate HSD

All weapons do.

[onyx sage]

though, the lowest out of all the categories

[bronze hound]

50% is base from just existing

same with chd

[vestal ibex]

Shotgun base HSD is 45%

[onyx sage]

• 90% from hsd gear mods and attributes, + 20% from watch

and you barely hit 155%

[hazy valve]

Now, imagine all the factors, max headshot damage and dodge city with the 1k added damage, then add some crit into it lol

[vestal ibex]

10% for mods

[onyx sage]

accounted for in 90%

[blissful rampart]

not exactly. Dodge city is already super strong even with full crit build. so max HSD isnt needed.

[flint wave]

doesn't seem to do anything to head hunter talent tho its still been 8x damage

the time I was using d50

[blissful rampart]

like you can slap dodge city onto any red build and it will be just fine tbh

[onyx sage]

d50 has 100% innate hsd so you're not getting less than 150% even if you try lol

[vestal ibex]

165% if I had the extra .5% on my mod

[blissful rampart]

hell even some skill builds (turret drone build) it good too (they can stack HSD instead of haste, and gain a pocket nuke)

[flint wave]

I heard dch striker was a thing

[blissful rampart]

it is

[onyx sage]

it is a thing yes

[hazy valve]

That's interesting, so hsd isn't a requirement for dodge city, bet

[vestal ibex]

Pocket rocket yo

[bronze hound]

i think dch striker is dumb

[blissful rampart]

like your average dps is lower but you gain a pocket nuke, well worth the trade off (kinda same trade off for all red builds)

[hazy valve]

Wait so the "first shot" can be from skills too?

[vestal ibex]

Gear is 6x10 + 3 gear mods. I'm talking about weapon mods.

[hazy valve]

Ooo that's wat u meant, ok

[onyx sage]

oh yes of course

i don't run hsd mods on my m870 if i can help it

[vestal ibex]

f dat optimal range.

[onyx sage]

lmfao

[flint wave]

rip

[vestal ibex]

You are in their face with this build anyway.

I'm good with 11.2 meters cause if I'm using that shotgun I'm dang near barrel stuffing them most the time.

[bronze hound]

isnt that 160

or 170

[vestal ibex]

wat?

[bronze hound]

cant remember

i meant total hsd

[vestal ibex]

165

I probably have an extra HSD mod on my main but I'm too lazy to stash and pull it over.

90 on gear
45 on shotguns
20 on watch
10 on shotgun mods
165 total

[bronze hound]

its not 45 on shotguns

im pretty sure its not at least

[vestal ibex]

Well it is

[onyx sage]

it is

[blissful rampart]

its on the sheet 😛

[onyx sage]

me using azur's sheet to fact check the playerbase

[flint wave]

who took 20 from the sweet dreams

[bronze hound]

ah mb

[bronze hound]

trolled

[flint wave]

dammit

[onyx sage]

it's too strong duh

[bronze hound]

lol

[livid horizon]

Once I'm over the 150hsd hh cap I run a reload speed or weapon handling mod on my m870

[hazy valve]

They should make sweet dreams one shot elites eith a melee with a 120 second cd lol

[flint wave]

2 minute cool down aw hell no

[bronze hound]

one-shotting heavies is a nono

[hazy valve]

Eevee always ruining my hopes n dreams!

[bronze hound]

Lol

[flint wave]

what if it one shot the armor plates then

[onyx sage]

survivalist crossbow crying in the corner

[real skiff]

Ok about the HF Regulus build

Do you use dodge city Holster? And if so are you using the HF Backpack or Chest as your 4th HF pc?

[bronze hound]

Bp

[real skiff]

Oh yea, then perfect chainkiller as chest

[bronze hound]

Bp doubles the cc

[real skiff]

Everything rolled headshot? Then weapon handling+ headshot on the chest?

[bronze hound]

Yes

[real skiff]

Awesome. What talent and attributes on a m870 Am I looking for as well?

[bronze hound]

Pummel dttooc

[real skiff]

MVP thank you 🫶🏽 I’ll send it tn if I can get it together by then!

One last question actually

Sharpshooter specialization I’m assuming?

[magic pilot]

I use firewall or gunner

You can use tech, gunner, firewall, sharpshooter

Mostly depends on what skills and directives

[real skiff]

Ahh Ty. I will see which one works best for me then.

@bronze hound can I send you my healer build in a little bit when I get on? I made it ages ago, not even sure what I have on it. It always seemed really good it heals people to full almost instantly. Just not sure if outsdated or not

[onyx sage]

can also send in here too

i am a harsher critic in some regards

[slate wedge]

i think it was a bug in the test server cause it doesnt work anymore

[real skiff]

That’s what I meant

In here lmfao, but like have him or someone tell me what’s outdated and what can be changed haha.

[onyx sage]

can do it right here and now, do it do it

[real skiff]

Alright give me a minute to log in

[vestal ibex]

I mean you could always follow the FI healer build in the spreadsheets.

[real skiff]

The spreadsheets aren’t opening on mobile for some reason

[real skiff]

Here it is. I don’t like the wyvern as my backpack, but it was the only thing I had with safeguard on it at the time.

This was made in 2020 before I quit playing

[vestal ibex]

Change backpack to a setup and put a lefty on.

[real skiff]

Lefty? And set up backpack? What’s that

[vestal ibex]

They are named items. The lefty has perfect sledgehammer and the setup has perfect opportunistic. The lefty will proc perfect opp for you.

If you wanted to help further you'd change rav for scorpio.

You might think the backpack talent is super good but really you don't need nearly as much heals as you think. Most of the time you are better off going for a mix of skill haste/repair vs full repair.

[real skiff]

Ahhh so setup backpack will further increase my allies damage, stacking with future initiative

As long as they are shooting at who I hit, iirc on how opportunistic works

Never thought about combining those

[vestal ibex]

It's also more damage you'll deal too. The scorpio also provides a damage buff for you and your teammates.

Some CC too.

[real skiff]

Yea I can change for Rav for Scorpio for sure

[vestal ibex]

The lefty will allow you to fire nade thicc boi enemies for even more damage.

[real skiff]

Thank you that’s really good advice actually. Woulda never thought about combining those and playing a more aggressive healing style

[vestal ibex]

Yeah there are other little things that could provide benefits but they are situational and min maxing. Like tech vs survivalist is preference but you can get faraday and keep allies from EMP/shock effects if they are near your hive, but survivalist gives damage to status effected enemies and the fire nades are super good with sledgehammer.

[onyx sage]

okay just got back but basically what souless said

[magic pilot]

Someone's running 6 pc striker

Dudes on the wrong division lmao

[slate wedge]

which mode?

[magic pilot]

In white house

[slate wedge]

maybe he is dping expertise

[flint wave]

surely

[hazy valve]

Looks good to me lol

[flint wave]

needs chameleon

[stiff orbit]

fantasizing about D1 6p striker?

[magic pilot]

Not me lol

[fathom thunder]

Is it better to use St. elmos engine with this build or use the backfire smg

[hexed steppe]

Elmo, backfire no good

[vale crypt]

Anyone know a good ironworks build?(any build will work with me)

[fathom thunder]

Thanks

[round zinc]

Whats with the kneepads tho

[real skiff]

Excuse me what???? I haven’t even made the regulus build yet, was literally only testing it on my sniper build…. And holy shit 😂

[round zinc]

The pistol has higher base damage than some MMRs so im not surprised

Also 4.20 sec

Nice

[fickle light]

hits like a truck

[real skiff]

Was a coincidental W 😭

[real skiff]

I’m so mad I didn’t think of making a build for it sooner 😭 building that tomorrow after work for sure now

[glass pike]

what are the pieces your running ?

[round zinc]

Thats just perfect headhunter with all hsd lmao

Its not even close to optimized

[tawdry flare]

lol

you can do that with grey gear

just put 4pcs grey gear chainkiller and vigulance d&h bag should be no problem till challenging maybe heroic too

[real skiff]

That was just aces & eights with vigilance and perfect head hunter lol. Making a 4p HF/ Dodge city & Perfect Chainkiller tomorrow for it. Hear that’s the optimal build for it

[tawdry flare]

yeah but if you want more dmg go d&h vigilance bag

[tawdry flare]

if you are using dch make sure to get d&h chest pcs with headhunter

[solar venture]

want to double check, heard something yesterday that didn't sound right to me.

what is stronger in a raid Striker w Bag and chest, or Striker with Bag and Sacrifice?

[tawdry flare]

if you can maintain 140+ striker stacks than the chest else gc is fine

[solar venture]

huh kind of figured Sacrifie would always have a higher dmg output because of the survivability trade off

[bronze hound]

I think the number is botched

[bronze hound]

Obliterate is around 140 stacks but I'm pretty sure sacrifice is more than that

[merry stone]

oh can skorpion be used for damage builds?? or is it only a cc tank machine

[bronze hound]

Scorpio can be used with DPS but better to run rock n roll for striker

[merry stone]

but that doesnt apply the cc 🥲

[bronze hound]

You don't need cc if you don't have a skill issue

[solar venture]

if you can't aim for shit use Scorpio, if you're using scorpio make it into a support style build to help your team

[merry stone]

so like healer hive and stuff??

[solar venture]

doesn't need to be a tank build, even going something like Perfect Opportunistic Ongoing directive build works

[tawdry flare]

idts

[bronze hound]

I remember hearing 180 once

Can't verify

When I get home I can

[vestal ibex]

In the context of which is better for the raid I wouldn't use either for either raid personally but with sacrifice you'd probably go down more often vs other setups.

[livid horizon]

were you at a Darts match?

[bronze hound]

?

[strange heath]

If stacking for either Striker, or for Heartbreaker,

AA12/Rock N Roll is best option to get to max stacks immediately

Currently working on a pure armor on kill build

[vestal ibex]

This is true, just a note you don't need a rock n roll at all to do exactly the same with any ACS12.

[strange heath]

I run an acs on my heartbreaker at the moment

[solar venture]

not for the entirty of the raid but for things like Razorback DPS builds, and 1 shotting bosses, Striker is a staple, especially paired with DCH

[hoary atlas]

Where the link of spreadsheet

[bronze hound]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nrPBmOrtpkEW1j5fbcRT7L-AXgsGOqMqxXoVtopsiGM/edit?usp=sharing

[solar venture]

pinned messages in this channel

[vestal ibex]

I mean if it comes down to one shot builds it's not exactly this vs that on which is better for damage, it comes down to complexity and consistency for which is better. Does one require a crit? Does it require BLB? Rav stacking? Sync shots? OC? Achilles head marks? You can do setups to one shot almost every raid boss and hit the 1 billion damage cap it's just really hard and complex.

[hoary atlas]

Thanks

[tawdry flare]

so actually it is 150stacks @bronze hound with obli

[bronze hound]

i was close

[tawdry flare]

2.0 striker at 100 stacks 1.25 from obli/normal glass Cannon 2.0*1.25=2.50

[tawdry flare]

me too i said 140+

[bronze hound]

you said glass cannon lol

you said glass cannon was worse unless 140+

[tawdry flare]

if solo without twd buff

[tawdry flare]

read it again

[tawdry flare]

.

[bronze hound]

i did

if you can keep 140+ then striker, meaning striker better over 140 stacks

[tawdry flare]

yeah but i was like missing 9 cuz is said 140+

[solar venture]

true, all 1 shot builds are different for each situation, but in this situation its a bit more cut and dry, which does more dmg, Striker mutiplier with backpack and chest, or backpack and Sacrifice

[vestal ibex]

How does damage matter? You one shot or dont?

It's a question of which is faster/more consistent.

[tawdry flare]

he meant dps i think not one shot

[vestal ibex]

Oh well if you aren't doing one shots sure.

[solar venture]

my initial question was about dps, Souless made it about one-shot builds

[bronze hound]

so game does striker actually outperform pgc

[tawdry flare]

yeah at 161 stacks without any other buff

[solar venture]

frankly I have no problem 1 shoting when I need to because its a team effort

[bronze hound]

ah

[tawdry flare]

2.0*1.30 =2.60 = 160 stacks

[hoary atlas]

What happened if Use Catharsis + unbreakable+ Andrenaline rush

[vestal ibex]

You brought up one shots tho.

[tawdry flare]

question is why you would unless running pvp

[hoary atlas]

Is that good for Solo PVP

Of these talents

[tawdry flare]

i am not the guy for pvp may try someone else

[hoary atlas]

I mean PVE

I use Gruppo with Adrenaline rush

[tawdry flare]

why not matador

cause if you are doing that you are going 100% defensive

[hoary atlas]

Where I can get that ?

[tawdry flare]

dz exclusive can be obtained through named cache or cd vendor may sell it

[solar venture]

I did? sorry man I'm hopped up on pain killers rn, fractured my toe on Tuesday

[hoary atlas]

Damn, Even surrounding 1 against 4

[vestal ibex]

Truly a Toesday to remember eh?

[solar venture]

getting flung off a forklift because of a break failure and slamming into a wall is memorable

[vestal ibex]

BRO YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO WEAR YOUR SEATBELT!!!!! Man so many people die from forklifts cause they don't wear their seatbelt.

[bronze hound]

why are we forklift racing

[torn path]

It server back up?

[solar venture]

no seatbelt, standing reach lift, was in reverse, went to go forward, started to slow but didn't stop properly, skidded along the floor, slammed into the wall on an angle which is the only reason I have a foot left, because it didn't stop properly the intertia pulled my feet from under me.

[bronze hound]

yes

[torn path]

Thanks 🙏🏿

[bronze hound]

hope you got workers comp

[solar venture]

yeah, company are shitbags tho, kept me there for an hour trying to convince me that I stuck my leg out of the compartment on purpose... yeah

[bronze hound]

unfortunately if the company is self insured youre completely fucked for workers comp

[solar venture]

so final answer, the PGC build is weaker then full striker? this build is for kiting Boomer, just want to apply as much dmg as I can in a short amount of time

[bronze hound]

yes

for kiting 100% use striker chest

[solar venture]

WSIB has already been involved, doctor approved me for 2 weeks off, only 85% of my wages, but better then nothing

[bronze hound]

thats good

[vestal ibex]

You guys nego boomer too?

[solar venture]

don't have a speed run team unfortunately, currently been doing Pugs with Corpsemaker for the last couple months

[vestal ibex]

Man that guy loves DH.... I'm not talking about the one shot build tho. You can use a normal nego to damage boomer and take time off the fight.

[solar venture]

oh yeah, usually someone at 43-44 and burger

[urban latch]

There's really no reason to run pgc if your kiting

[solar venture]

you know I like to live dangerously Raucey

darwinian levels of dangerous

[urban latch]

Imo status is the way to go now for lfg boomer kiting. Either 4p eclipse or fi with status effects, Elmo's and shocker punch
https://imgur.com/gallery/BHLUwWK

[solar venture]

wait... did you just remove the cooldown by taking the holster on and off?

[urban latch]

Yep

Doing the same thing with elmos also resets it

[solar venture]

thats gotta be a bug

[urban latch]

It's a feature...

Technically you can also do the same thing hot swapping between Scorpio and Elmo if you don't want to use that feature

[solar venture]

its a feature like infinite medkits in PvP was

I'm more confused why so much Status, is the shocker punch effected by SE? if so Imperial Dynasty needs to go on strike infront of Massive Entertainments offices

[urban latch]

Yeah, status will increase the shock duration to be long enough to comfortably down him before he throws the grenade. And it's a feature like like plenty of other things we use in raids like nego on boomer

[solar venture]

fair enough, only real question is why Courior over an electrique bag, unless the build is being use for something else Creeping death doesn't become a factor

[urban latch]

Last piece doesn't really matter tbh

Technically you can do it with any build, the timing is just tighter

[green dew]

have you tried focus? or its out of the equation?

[solar venture]

kind of hard to charge focus while having Boss agro

[green dew]

fair enough

[solar venture]

one build I have been playing around with, in preperation for the Tips rework is this

[bronze hound]

Ew

Swap backpack for airaldi at least

[solar venture]

for doing Sniper role for B4 IH, Dread Edict, paired with Hotshot gives you permanent 40% WD and 100% HSD and never has to reload because of Hotshot

[solar venture]

its The gift, I'd rather swap for Airaldi chest if need be

[bronze hound]

Doesn't matter gift or not

1 second aint gonna kill you

[solar venture]

plus doesn't stacking Base damage scale down as you stack red cores?

[blissful rampart]

everything does, since all stats are additive (except amps)

difference is HH scales off weapon damage so WD is a much greater boost then extra HSD.

[green dew]

youll benefit more with WD than HSD at that point

[solar venture]

hmm fair

[blissful rampart]

BUT that said it really doesnt matter since HH carries at that point.

[green dew]

yeah lol

[solar venture]

tbf

dropping both of them for Airaldi and Chainkiller wouldn't really matter, since fully stacked Dread Edict + Hotshot I'll have 426% HSD

[tawdry flare]

you need 2nd pcs hapsburg with red core vigilance

[solar venture]

going for Chain killer + Airaldi will most likely do more damage then double Habsburg

[merry stone]

whats the best sniper/marksman rifle in game??

[solar venture]

Exotic, Nemesis / Named, The White Death

[merry stone]

nemi better than mantis??

[tawdry flare]

no

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[solar venture]

tbf most weapons are viable, and some people like the Mantis because you can spam Decoys to keep agro off you, but in a purely DPS argument Nemesis is king hands down

[tawdry flare]

for dps mmr svd wins

you can't spam nemesis

[solar venture]

clearly you haven't been to the DZ 😄

[vestal ibex]

I mean if you count the number displayed but you aren't going to out kill a WD.

PVP isn't part of the convo unless you say it is.

[tawdry flare]

true in a long time

[solar venture]

was more refering to cheaters turning the Nemesis into an Assault rifle, through walls

[vestal ibex]

I mean that has no bearing on anything.

[tawdry flare]

cheater never part of convo

[solar venture]

I was making a joke

[vestal ibex]

It's just a prank bro it's just a prank!

[green dew]

depends, mantis can help you visually aim headshots clearly, nemesis has the highest damage per bullet in the game (contender is tac 50 signature weapon), you can use whatever sniper and see for yourself. In heroic, most enemies can be one shot by either of the sniper (bolt action) as long as you have decent sniper build

[vestal ibex]

People don't care if you one shot. They care about the damage number. The two builds could literally shoot and kill the same enemies at the same amount of stacks/buffs/distance and the one thats 4 mil vs 3 mil over the targets health is "better".

[green dew]

yeah apparently thats always the case lmao

[vestal ibex]

I just hate when people are suggesting that stuff to new players. Like here make the hardest build possible with unicorns it's the best build.

[merry stone]

for snipers is headshot stat on weapons and gear good??

what is the prefered stat for sniper build??

[green dew]

hsd is easier to build for sniper build, especially if you want headhunter and also using a gearset

some people have partner it with CHC for crit chance, but i havent tried that because for me its useless

hsd and weapon handling is all you need unless you want hybrid sniper build

[flint wave]

100% weapon handling

[urban latch]

Unless we are talking pvp, crit is basically useless on sniper/HH builds. Headshot damage and handling is what you want, ideally dtooc on your third weapon attribute

[merry stone]

does stability effect the scope drift??

[urban latch]

Yes. 100% stability means 0 sway

[tawdry flare]

yup and is part of handling

nemisis need 12% stability instead of that 9.5chc

[flint wave]

determined really outclassed first blood

[merry stone]

i mean one shotting things can be fun as well dps high damage build can sometimes get boring so you just wanna do a different build

[tawdry flare]

as in current state it is bis

[delicate glen]

Hey guys!

A bit of a noobie here
I’m using airaldi and hunter pieces (for added smg and sniper rifle damage)

However this isn’t working out particularly well for me so far, so I want to replace the airaldi pieces with whichever are best for an assault rifle, then rid myself of the current smg and the sniper rifle and replace those with st Elmo’s assault rifle and a high rpm smg

Am I at least somewhat on the right track here or should I start over from scratch?

[flint wave]

definitely get rid of airaldi brand lol

[delicate glen]

Which one would be the better option?

[tawdry flare]

this is a backfire so you are killing yourself

[flint wave]

One of the crit chance brands(ceska and providence) if you are committed to making this smg hf

[delicate glen]

Yeah, it did work well enough between normal and hard but not anymore

So I’m replacing it with a whatever normal high rate smg

[tawdry flare]

sig mpx or vector .45

[vestal ibex]

I run a HH HF build most of the time. Not sure if you understand what I'm talking about with that statement tho. It's just a fact of how alpha damage works and builds that get suggested.

[tawdry flare]

remove 2 pcs airaldi put 1pcs sokolova

[flint wave]

pog

[tawdry flare]

and 1pcs groupo

[flint wave]

lol

[tawdry flare]

it will make it a better for better

remove ninja put memento

[merry stone]

dark winter vector is the best one right?

[tawdry flare]

and ceska/groupo obliterate chest

[flint wave]

I hate killer

[tawdry flare]

not the best

[flint wave]

killer is stupid

[delicate glen]

Thank you so much! And I absolutely do apologize for how dumb I sound, I’ve been trying to figure things out on my own so far and welp you can see the results

[tawdry flare]

killer is rng

[vestal ibex]

Everyone has gotta start somewhere so don't worry about it.

[tawdry flare]

and vector flatline will do more

[flint wave]

exactly why it's stupid

[tawdry flare]

np with that we all start with trash before getting gold

[flint wave]

It has no business proccing off crits only

[merry stone]

tactical is better than it?? i see everyone using dark winter thought it was one of the top tier

[tawdry flare]

the dark winter one is better cause the tactical has even lower mag i prefer mpx cause of extra range

[magic pilot]

Tactical has worse accuracy

It has the worst handling in SMGs but the highest on paper dps

Excluding exotics and DW

[merry stone]

i used the tactical in heroic countdown it just melts things, its why i love the vector family. will try mpx

[magic pilot]

If you use tactical I would use fast hands

[tawdry flare]

i would advise for mpx cause that range and better accuracy is qol

[merry stone]

ar level range??

[tawdry flare]

22m

vs 15-18 for most iirc

perfect outsider mpx beats famas at 30-40m range when proced but doesn't refresh otherwise i would use it

[magic pilot]

Mpx or banshee

Technically banshee is better

Is swap chain only bugged with lmg @tawdry flare

[flint wave]

We were THIS close to making perfect focus smg meta

[tawdry flare]

idts

[flint wave]

smhhhhh

[merry stone]

btw just me or does supersession mechanic ruin lmgs

[magic pilot]

Yes it does

[flint wave]

supersession is crazy

[magic pilot]

Pestilence is an exception because the dmg ticks can stagger enemy's out of cover

I been using this for golden bullet

Switched to gunner

[tawdry flare]

@urban latch have you thought about using swap chain to buff sleipner reload

[flint wave]

steady handed on golden bullet

[tawdry flare]

no no no measured on gb

i have to try it though

[magic pilot]

Makes it so you have enough ammo and accuracy to hit things when golden isn't active

[urban latch]

How? Slepnir has a fixed talent

[tawdry flare]

let me send you a link

[flint wave]

Ip grabber

[magic pilot]

You can get a kill with swap chain and the buff carry's over to your other gun

Giving you the handling boost

So you empty out the slepnir then get a kill with swap chain, swap back and reload

[merry stone]

gotta hand it to devs its best event in game

[flint wave]

easiest event in the game that's forbsure

[tawdry flare]

lol

[flint wave]

unless you fight deceit hunter

[magic pilot]

I've gone up 250shd lvl since golden bullet started

And I'm 4th in my clan last week and 5th this week

[tawdry flare]

i used to fam 200million xp weekly

[flint wave]

And now you got a life

[magic pilot]

Highest in my clan is 115m

And it's Thursday

He's gonna hit 1k in no time

[bronze hound]

115 meters?

damn thats tall as hell

[tawdry flare]

115million

[tawdry flare]

bruh that is too much for like 8hrs

[bronze hound]

115 million meters? jesus christ

[tawdry flare]

lol new division record

[bronze hound]

115 megameters

[tawdry flare]

115 LightYears

[bronze hound]

no

i hate lightyears

its debatable whether or not its classified as a constant

[livid horizon]

186k miles per second

[bronze hound]

Who the hell uses miles

[merry stone]

eevee haters do

[flint wave]

who uses megameters

[livid horizon]

my car

[bronze hound]

Skill issue

[bronze hound]

Metric chads

[livid horizon]

Old School

[bronze hound]

Do you measure your computers architecture in 1/2048s of an inch

[livid horizon]

I'm miles better than you

[bronze hound]

I'm megameters better

[bronze hound]

I don't know anyone who unironically uses only imperial

Seriously the liquid measuring system is complete dogshit

[flint wave]

lbs of it, even

[bronze hound]

Liquid.

[flint wave]

Don't care.

lb

[bronze hound]

Imperial logic

Seriously have you ever heard someone say slugs per cubic foot

[flint wave]

no wtf

slugs?

[bronze hound]

That's imperial

[flint wave]

awesome

incredible

[bronze hound]

For mass

Also fluid ounce and ounce are two completely different things

[livid horizon]

yards are my fave]

[flint wave]

foots are my fave

[magic pilot]

You find that out the hard way if you ever bake anything

[bronze hound]

Also a base 2 system sucks

I wish we had a base 2520 number system

Would be so nice

[neat iris]

what exactly do you use for booster hive? skill dmg vs repairs?

[blissful rampart]

its used to boost weapon handling (it doesnt boost skills)

[magic pilot]

Hazpro in pvp

[coarse orchid]

are there any build around atm that are definitively better than other options?

[fast leaf]

Hi guys do you have a sniper build to make open world activities in legendary

[blissful rampart]

Yes to both questions.

Pinned spreadsheet has the strong builds and also sniper builds

[unkempt dune]

How much skill haste is good enough for status effect type skill build?

[hexed steppe]

60-70% is usually pretty decent. normally you'll focus more on the status rolls

[tawdry flare]

hazpro also you can cheat cd hunter emp with it thrown at the right time

[tawdry flare]

not a single advice in last 16hrs 😂 😂

[hexed steppe]

everyone knows everything now 😆

dont worry, itll be flooded soon with people wondering why their ouroboros build they sourced from YT isnt killing anything and their ammo disappears in 2 minutes 🤣

[glad heart]

Can only say the same things over and over again for so long before gets really old

[tawdry flare]

Ouroboros Ultra Pro Max Meta Build Destroys legendary in 1 mag

[flint wave]

I don't feel like asking for ninjabike messenger knee pads synergy build

[flint wave]

golden bullet be like

[tawdry flare]

GB gives 20% ROF

[flint wave]

But INFINITR ammo

[tawdry flare]

Ouroboros has like 20% more rof compared to a vector without the 10% rof from the mag

[wise ravine]

is the meta for builds still just having like all reds or all blues i havent played in a while and i need to update my build

[flint wave]

majority reds

all reds is a suggestion

[wise ravine]

aight

[blissful rampart]

majority reds because armor scales poorly in pve

[blissful rampart]

yup! 1650 (with the rof mod) vs 1200 normal. also has higher mag size too 50 vs 45. its just bonkers

the new LMG seems kinda good too, just cause of having higher base damage (seems to be about 54k vs 44k of normal MG5) although its talent is very weak though

so 2 new exos with bad talents but strong base stats / mods.

[hexed steppe]

Arent the best lmgs still trash compared to an ar 🤔

[blissful rampart]

not trash but id say "meh" compared to Ar

Famas has base dps of 663k (no talent)
Iron lung has base ~720k (if its base damage is 54k which it seems to be, need to re-check on live)
Famas with strained takes it to ~723k base

[flint field]

This is my Reg Hazpro build for DZ. It only reaches 80% Hazpro. Which two pieces should I switch out for Yaal to achieve 100% pulse and Hazpro? (Switching 2 pieces out for Yaal I’d still need a 10% pulse resistance mod for 100% pulse resistance)

[blissful rampart]

assuming stacking HSD? swap out contractors and Prov, though not sure if that is a good build

[flint field]

Yeah everything is stacked for HSD/Hazpro. 210%HSD with Reg with 80%Hazpro where I’m sitting now.

[vestal ibex]

No expertise on the regulus???

[flint field]

Just put it together will have to do a WONY for mats. Only ever used it for PvE

[vestal ibex]

It's so much better in everything with expertise especially PVE.

[magic pilot]

Thoughts?

For 4 man dz

[gentle lichen]

Pretty nice. Have made the same but as a shotgun build. Is it worth losing 25% chance on efficient for more dmg?

[magic pilot]

Probably

[blissful rampart]

hmm id think since its a build all about burst LD (mostly) id swap out for dps chest talent, maybe a few less blues?

[magic pilot]

I was thinking 6 blue since no unbreakable or ad rush

[blissful rampart]

especially since group play.

[magic pilot]

You thought the opposite <more dmg take less dmg

[blissful rampart]

hu?

like LD is all about run in with stacks to burst down, then swap to continue the fight with the other guys alive (pretty much).

so full blues + defensive chest talent seriously hinder that goal.

[gentle lichen]

This is how i did mine

Ignore sharpshooter

[magic pilot]

I thought 1.8 since I have no ad rush I can't take as much

[blissful rampart]

thats why you have the group to back you up

im not saying NO blues, just slightly less

[magic pilot]

I gotcha

[gentle lichen]

Add coyote's?

[magic pilot]

I have an intimidate chest and ad rush bp same brands and attributes for dz south stair build

[blissful rampart]

like since you are running LD, focus more towards that Burst down goal, while people in your group help focus to keep you alive

[magic pilot]

I see what you mean

Yea coyotes probably worth it

[blissful rampart]

for tweaking, start with just swaping chest talent and test from there

oh also yea coyotes well worth for that 25 chd

oh also maybe go firewall + swap to dps chest talent. and thats all (test from there)

[magic pilot]

Yea if I change chest talent I'd run firewall

[blissful rampart]

i hear tardigrade is decent in DZ?? maybe have someone in group run that to cover your lack of D?

[magic pilot]

We have 1 healer usually

[gentle lichen]

You can either run tardi or efficient

[magic pilot]

If not healer its cavalier

[gentle lichen]

Tardi is good if you're far away from your teammates

But efficient really works when in close range

Can do medkit pushes and such

[blissful rampart]

Cavalier for that anti group Hzd?

[blissful rampart]

ah 3pc

[magic pilot]

This is my version when I run it for my group

[blissful rampart]

wait nm 4

[gentle lichen]

Isn't the bag really good cause it cuts down on the charge time by half?

[blissful rampart]

also with that LD burst build, Unwavering Vector as your 2nd (instead of Mp7) might be worth it. your swapping after LD any ways so it procs unwavering and vector still has high burst + gets that boost

[magic pilot]

I don't think so?

[blissful rampart]

backpack gets you max charge in 5s instead of 10

5s difference seems huge in pvp imho

[gentle lichen]

Yeah and it makes the cavalier more consistent

[blissful rampart]

^^

like IMHO the only reason i can see Cav being good is for that Hzd pro sharing. outside of that its crap tbh

[magic pilot]

I'll try it out

[blissful rampart]

so 2x on the uptime and speed of that talent seems super strong

[magic pilot]

Haven't noticed a problem with it yet

Just no dmg lol

[gentle lichen]

A 10 second downtime can mess you up

[blissful rampart]

you are running Cav.. you already have no damage lol

[gentle lichen]

But 5 seconds really limits the enemy's ability to capitalise on the downtime

[gentle lichen]

I personally run cav with perfectly efficient

[blissful rampart]

like i dont PVP but can still do build craft for it 😛

also yea imho if running Cav, go full in on that Group support idea, since you got no damage any ways with it

[gentle lichen]

So unfortunate they put repair skills on the gearset

Makes me think if i can heal with it

But i do wanna attempt making perfectly efficient/healer build with hive+chem

[magic pilot]

I'll swap chest to the perfect efficient chest and yaahl mask

[gentle lichen]

Remember that the hazpro shared to your teammates also adds to the hazpro they got from the watch

So you'll try to aim for 80%

[blissful rampart]

eh well kinda depends. they will become immune but you wont

since you will be at 80% not breaking that 90 point.

[gentle lichen]

What matters most is that you share that to your teammates but true you can add an extra 10% for your own so you don't die

[blissful rampart]

cant share if dead 😛

[gentle lichen]

It's bugged currently but hopefully will get fixed next update is that when teammates die with cavalier they still keep the buff

[blissful rampart]

oh bahaha

[magic pilot]

I go for 90

[gentle lichen]

That's how i run the cavalier

Just gotta find that everyday carrier with hazpro and armor regen

[magic pilot]

No dmg at all tho

That's why I run LD

[gentle lichen]

Yeah I'm literally just support

[magic pilot]

I had a 1v3 clutch with the setup I run cause of LD

[blissful rampart]

is LD damage even on support builds though?

ah

[sturdy flower]

i haven't played since y2 i have no idea what the good pve builds are now

[blissful rampart]

in that case run LD and Pest no? so you have burst damage and support damage with the dots.

[fathom thunder]

What’s a good exotic gear for the aces & eights build

[carmine compass]

Nothing, just Chankiller and Airaldi bag

[fathom thunder]

[magic pilot]

Well yea but you'd have to hot swap

[slate wedge]

unwavering underrated

[blissful rampart]

Hot swap? Just switch to your second weapon

Ohhhhhhh wait ... 2 exos....

Azur go home!!

[flint wave]

go back to spreadsheeting

you aren't meant for the streets

[blissful rampart]

Lol 🤣

[magic pilot]

Lmao

[hexed steppe]

should swap out that emperor's guard for a yaahl piece and reclaim your 3 mod slots and an attribute and share 100% hazpro*on everything

[gentle lichen]

I did mention that the hazpro shared by cav is added to the hazpro on the teammates watch so you yourself can have 90% and your teammates would have 100% but i put the 3 mods for various status effects that are prominent in dz

[hexed steppe]

thats true, but the duration and 1% regen isnt really a be all end all thing. you could run crit @ 48% instead of 30 and still be immune to everything yourself

its just a thought anyways. i kinda see mod slots a waste for specific status resistance when a single roll or brand can replace all

[magic pilot]

I agree

[gentle lichen]

That's true. But thinking about it more having less crits would be less dmg and less dmg with elmo can allow you to stack up on elmo better

[magic pilot]

I have a pvp build that gives 1.15m armor to your team

More if you expertise

[hexed steppe]

this is for dz right? i dont see how less damage is good. you can stack up on npcs and then swap when its ready, leaving the electric rounds for when you need to status something.. thinking about it you could be at 54% chc actually since you wouldnt have a roll tied up for the regen

[magic pilot]

Bonus armor

[hexed steppe]

but im also not a pvp'er so take it all with a grain of salt ig. jmho is all 🍻

[gentle lichen]

It's because you already don't do damage on the build

Crits are like 50k at best

[hexed steppe]

the mods could also be flexed to haste if thats the case

emp sticky i see, but what type of chem heal or riot?

[gentle lichen]

Riot for keeping them in place

Sticky for stagger or skills

[magic pilot]

Helps with support aspect

[hexed steppe]

what i figured, just didnt want to assume .
36%-48% haste would probably help. still technically susceptible to ensnare himself

i run stuff different from what people think sometimes as well so if it works, rock the shit out of it 👍

[gentle lichen]

Over 90% you'll be safe unless you're hit with like a tier 6 foam but even then it'll not stay for as long

But yeah the addition of skill haste is an interesting insight

[hexed steppe]

yeah and probably even less of a problem when they rework some of the status in dz

[hazy steeple]

I'm excited to see where div2 goes in the future, with all the status effect gear/brand sets+exotic(s?) being added in.
plus grenades too. Intriguing times we live in.

[magic pilot]

Grenades already play a decent roll in pvp with sledgehammer

It's super common on large fights to see cluster and fire nades getting tossed around

[gentle lichen]

Definitely fire grenades/sledge are almost a must on all support builds

[hazy steeple]

Sledgehammer and other such gear is actually what I was referring to, but yeah it's nice to see them getting used in endgame stuff.

[hazy valve]

can i have a mini doggo like the black tusk lol

[magic pilot]

It's gonna be interesting to see how status effects play into the incursion considering almost all the gear and weapons we've gotten in recent seasons has been status effects

My guess is maybe a boss deals some sort of status combo as main attack but they only takes dmg when they are under a status

[gentle lichen]

When foundry dropped was it used in iron horse? I have next to zero knowledge about raids/incursions

[bronze hound]

Little

Problem is it had no hazpro so it kinda sucked

But it's all anyone had for tank builds xD

[gentle lichen]

Looking at the gearsets/brands they gave us you'd assume the incursion is more about explosives/status effects

Might cavalier work?

[bronze hound]

Already diagnosed this lol

3 improv, 1 yaahl, 1 langmo, 1 belstone. All rolled with hazpro and explosive with pte mods. Ad rush and vanguard. You'll end up with around 70 pfe 90 explosive resist and 80 hazpro

[slate wedge]

you gotta love it

[tawdry flare]

we need final measure

[deft shoal]

probably wrong chat but i wanted to know how long before i can make actual builds other than just throwing on the best gear score thing i have? im running through the black tusk invasion for the first time and im starting to notice the need for a build. im still brute forcing everything. just curious how long it will actually take to get into the meat and potatoes of buildcrafting.

[sullen sun]

Should I not be running determined on Rifles?

Or is there a better perk?

[sullen sun]

Lv 40

[hexed steppe]

Boomerang

[tulip charm]

Once you complete wony dlc

[deft shoal]

oh so i have to pay more to do the fun stuff... sweet

[sullen sun]

Why boom just curious

[hexed steppe]

You're not gonna pro determined all the time with a Rifle unless you are on normal/hard difficulty.

Marksman rifle is another story

[tulip charm]

You dont have the dlc?

[hexed steppe]

Return of % of rounds, increased damage

[deft shoal]

thank you for the insight kind sir

[sullen sun]

Thx as always

[hexed steppe]

Flatline also good on rifle if you already use tech class

[deft shoal]

i do not own the dlc unfortunately

[sullen sun]

Running Sharp

[sullen sun]

You definitely need that

[hexed steppe]

Ok cool, yeah boomerang

[deft shoal]

yea im good, not spending another 30 bones for that lol thought all i needed was base game

[sullen sun]

Then no lv 40

[tulip charm]

sadly not

[deft shoal]

im poor lol

[sullen sun]

The game is worth over 30 lol

[deft shoal]

thanks anyways guys i appreciate it

yea ive been seeing thats the case just cant afford it

[sullen sun]

They run sales all the time as well

[tulip charm]

not really when it gets frequent price drops

👀

[sullen sun]

On Psn they do

[deft shoal]

ill be on the lookout then thanks 🫡

[tulip charm]

$30 in psn?

[sullen sun]

No that’s the base price

Sometimes it’s 10

[tulip charm]

Imo the game is worth getting if you can get it in sale

[sullen sun]

Perfect Rifleman better than Boom?

[hexed steppe]

Not perfect since it's on a soso weapon. M1a with rifleman if you consistently hit headshots would be solid though

[bronze hound]

Boomerang or rifleman

[hoary atlas]

Intimidated or Adrenaline rush

Which one better

[onyx sage]

they don't compete in the same slot

they can be run together

[hoary atlas]

Which one better

[onyx sage]

none of them, because you don't compare them

they do different things

[round zinc]

they’re not even in the same slot

thats like comparing st elmo to scorpio

[hoary atlas]

Damn I'm tried use unbreakable+ Adrenaline rush

[bronze hound]

Which is better bullet king or fixer drone

[urban latch]

foxes knees of course

[round zinc]

obviously EMP sticky smh

[bronze hound]

But what about emp sticky or 10 protection from elites

[round zinc]

20% incoming repair better

[bronze hound]

I personally prefer hyena rusher

[merry stone]

cuz they and outcast ones are the easiest to kill

[round zinc]

unironically tho,outcast bomber fire is ridiculously strong

ive seen a boss just got caught in one of those fires and just dies before i can even care to shoot him

[hazy valve]

is bullet king a good exotic? lol

[bronze hound]

No

[round zinc]

A GR9 with steady handed is a better bulletking

[sturdy flower]

i haven't played in years but it feels like glass cannon / full red crit builds got nerfed

[magic pilot]

It didn't

[onyx sage]

they never got nerfed, but most of them use a shield and it got nerfed

[sturdy flower]

ah alright, I just don't remember stuff on challenging or legendary taking this long to kill before but it has been a while so probably just me

maybe it's my guns idk

[hazy steeple]

it could be your build itself.
What are you running exactly?

[sturdy flower]

I have full providence defense for the crit boosts and yeah glass cannon on my chest rig

i don't remember what my backpack talent is atm

but it's just all red modifiers either crit damage or crit chance

gunner is my only max spec rn so I end up using mostly ARS and Rifles

usually a chameleon or an m4 i have that gives more crit damage on a crit hit

I've missed like 3 years of named items and exotics lol

[magic pilot]

Chameleon sucks that's why lol

[slate wedge]

L take

[tawdry raven]

Is 48% chc enough for an AR w/ coyote?

[magic pilot]

I'd go for that extra chc mod personally

[sturdy flower]

I've been leaning on the m4 more lately just cus how long it can take to build the chameleon buff

I just yeah don't remember armor taking so long to wipe off or stuff

i'm not sure what the usual pve build is now

I'm thinking of ditching glass cannon cus it's getting me killed when most of my damage comes from crits anyways

[magic pilot]

Glass buffs your crits so not sure what you mean

My main dps setups

[old cave]

Nice setup

[magic pilot]

Thanks

[past gazelle]

Hey! If I were to get the Eagle Bearer how would it affect my build- positively/ negatively?

[stiff orbit]

you’d have a bigger impact on your build changing out that chest piece and foxes knees for pieces you’d actually benefit having 2 pieces of if you’re going to run nbbp

and why wouldn’t you want to run the ND backpack or chest piece at least.

[past gazelle]

Bc the closer chest gives me armor on kill since I need some survivability while the fox kneepads give me dmg to target out of cover

I still get 4pc negotiations due to my bag also and this also unlocks accuracy for the Kneepads too

[fickle light]

you'd get a lot more out of a different bag

[urban latch]

The chest you don't want 99% of the time, and the backpack is optional. But ninjabike and your high end choices are not helping

[stiff orbit]

yeah i’ll be honest you’d get way more out of that build just switching that up completely. There are actually ND ninjabike setups that are really good and viable. But for one you already get survivability with gunner, and the DTtooc isn’t covering for all the lost dmg running ninjabike

[past gazelle]

What high end stuff and bags do you recommend?

[onyx sage]

negotiator's dilemma guide by raucey

also available in the pinned sheet in this channel, and that has other builds you might be interested in like striker

[past gazelle]

K I’ll check it out thank you everyone. If I need to grind a new build for a Eagle Bearer build then I will just need the guide 🙂 thanks everyone

[past gazelle]

Will it work with EG still?

EB I mean

[onyx sage]

it still works, just less effective than the top options

[past gazelle]

Gotcha

I think I’ll just run this with a carbine 7 and a shotgun

[urban latch]

How'd you make the link look not horrible?

[onyx sage]

you know how to use markdown links? [link description](https://actuallink.com)

[tawdry flare]

lol

you forgot to send PR @onyx sage 😂

[onyx sage]

zzz

[tawdry flare]

zzzzzz

[tight robin]

What, they finally made those work in Discord? Amazing. I'd been asking for that for years.

[onyx sage]

yep, a few months ago i think

[slate wedge]

imo a chest with obliterate and an AR with Killer would be better since you get guaranteed kills with crits everytime you have atleast 2 enemies marked

also i personally use the nego backpack and coyotes but your setup is good aswell

[orchid cloud]

Having kardcustom as your sidearm gives extra 1+ skill tier with or without having it at hand all the time?
Where do I get this pistol?

[slate wedge]

you have to have it in hand

and you get it from named item caches, a vendor or in the DZ

[tawdry flare]

no it doesn't work that way

[slate wedge]

you sure?

doesn't the shared damage count as crits?

cuz dod-regnbou said it works

[gentle lichen]

When i deal shared damage it appears as either blue or white depending if i hit the armor or health part of the enemy

[slate wedge]

hmm, would need to test it but i am not at homr until today evening

[tawdry flare]

i confirmed it it is treated as skill dmg

[gentle lichen]

Shared damage is skill damage?

[tawdry flare]

that's what is shown at stats screen

[slate wedge]

lol what?

[tawdry flare]

you can try

[gentle lichen]

Does it get affected by skill damage attributes?

[tawdry flare]

no

[slate wedge]

so dod-regnbous vid is false info then

[tawdry flare]

not everytime but yeah he was wrong on that one

[slate wedge]

yeah, i only meant that vid

[tawdry flare]

i tried it at range

killer doesn't proc with shared kills

[slate wedge]

was in the AR BIS series

[hexed steppe]

i never see killer recommended for anything 😅 .
its always strained/fast hands

[thin patrol]

he is a clown.

[thin patrol]

And I mostly use Optimist, get more out of it than strained, because I use small mags.

[rare obsidian]

Can sombody help me w my build I jus hit lvl 40 and need sombody point me in the right direction

[limpid dew]

is Risk Management [talent] good for a 4 striker coyote elmo build?

[livid horizon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FaDDfFIqOgdTfceG2ByFvmgStZ6K7whC-7LdND6WXL0/edit?usp=drivesdk

[hexed steppe]

yes, its essential to have striker bag for best possible damage from stacks

[limpid dew]

ahhh omg i forgot green gear have their own talents

[hexed steppe]

youll want high end ceska obliterate chest as well

[hexed steppe]

yeah sometimes those are real game changers. like striker, nego, eclipse all want bags for best performance

[limpid dew]

yup I need to look for a chest soon, how much crit hit damage do i need?

crit hit chance is capped at 60% from what i am seeing

[patent fossil]

As much as you can fit while maintaining max chc

[hexed steppe]

yeah you might even bring it down to low/mid 50's since you have coyote. ceska offers best chest because you can roll everything with crit damage (@ full watch) , and mods crit damage. and youll have good crit chance with just the weapon mods chc, and the 2 secondary rolls chc (coyote and chest)

[limpid dew]

ohh i see the +10% crit hit chance on that set bonus, super nice

[marsh hare]

Is the ravenous talent with the explosion based off of explosive damage or CHD?

[slate wedge]

killer only really good on vector or other smgs

[slate wedge]

bruh

[slate wedge]

i thought it was bas3d off of WD and amps

[hexed steppe]

With killer being a chance of a chance (not guaranteed a crit kill), I dont see it as that good tbh

But I'm also a nego or headhunter bum so I dont really use smg ever. Ar rifle mmr for me 99.99% of the time 🍻

[thin patrol]

Out of 10 kills, it's usually 9 with crit

[hexed steppe]

But it is possible not to proc, right?

Also with a team those chances go down even further...
If the talent was slightly different like procing if one of the last range of shots (say 10shots )were a crit it would be a lot better.
with max chc being 60% I dont see that being a crit on 90% kills...

I'll stick with something that is procing 100% like strained/optimist/fast hands for weapons like that

[thin patrol]

Yes but you have 10 sec to get a kill with crit and u get a new buff

[slate wedge]

dark winter is really strong but all smgs will fall short to bourritoros so who gives a fuck

[slate wedge]

on Vector only Fast Hands, Unwavering and Killer are really good

[thin patrol]

@hexed steppe Here's a quick test I got crit kill every time and new killer buff

[hexed steppe]

Just another in a long line of smgs I'll probably never use 🤣

[hexed steppe]

I'm really not invested in this tbh. If killer works for you, great 💯
But it's not guaranteed and not something I'll personally reccomend to anyone.

Also range and open world with a group are 2 different things

[slate wedge]

will be the meta tho

chest and bp striker with it will be so insanr

[tawdry flare]

no?

1875 rpm with striker 31.25 round per sec 1.6s to fire 50 rounds and iirc 1.5s reload

so i would avoid with striker but hf is gonna be great

[slate wedge]

you build stacks so fast

[tawdry flare]

acs is faster if it comes to stacks

[slate wedge]

and the reload is really good

[tawdry flare]

the problem is range

as for all smgs

hf is better with this one

[slate wedge]

hows that?

[slate wedge]

i mean duh but you can stack insanely fast and still be able to do insane damage

[hexed steppe]

It will build stacks fast. But it also has capacity to deplete ammo in under 2 minutes. I could see it being meta in pvp but not in pve

[slate wedge]

it gets 25% reload speed on a base 50 mag and also the 15% wh f4om striker help too

[slate wedge]

you realize that most of the time you can get ammo on killd

[hexed steppe]

Yeah sure sometimes, but among hoarders no

[slate wedge]

who uses smgs there anyways

[hexed steppe]

Its gonna be more meme than gamechanger. Something like elmo will still be the goto

[hexed steppe]

Also where? Ammo hoarders is current open world directive.

[slate wedge]

overall the st. elmo will be more consistent but the ouro will be best for fast missions clears, insane dps and a run and gun playstyle

[slate wedge]

i wouldn't bother to use it unless you are running snipers. rifles or shotguns

[hexed steppe]

It ain't headhunter... so I doubt itll get a lot of speedrun action

[slate wedge]

i wasn't talking about speedruns, but fast and easy missipn clears for most people

it just is a best in class smg

[tawdry flare]

i doubt it with striker

[tawdry flare]

no doubt there

also it is pts

[slate wedge]

with striket it may be mote of a meme but the potential is insane

[tawdry flare]

it can change into live game

[slate wedge]

you think they changed it?

[hexed steppe]

Best in class smg, most likely... but smg are meh, it's like saying it's the most polished turd 🤣

[slate wedge]

i doubt that

[slate wedge]

your statement is like saying dogs are shit becuase they won't beat horses in a race

[hexed steppe]

Well they wont

Dogs would be shit racers compared to a horse

[slate wedge]

SMGs aren't as versatile as ARs but they are better at what they are besy

[slate wedge]

yes but that doesnt mean dogs are shit overall

close range ARs get beaten by Shotguns and SMGs

mid range ARs get beaten by Rifles

long range ARs get beaten by MMRs

still ARs are probably thr best class in the game

[hexed steppe]

Dogs are good pets, should stay at home while you're at the races... same with smgs when you want a better all around weapon... good wallhanger tho, even tho its folded 😅

[tawdry flare]

but if you combine all three they win

[slate wedge]

y3s but if you want a close range weapon why not use SMGs or Shotguns

[tawdry flare]

if i want close range i will pick Scorpio/regulus

[slate wedge]

key word: "all round weapon"

[slate wedge]

i was talking about close range weapon

[tawdry flare]

both are close range

[slate wedge]

sure it wont beat st. elmo after 20 meters

[slate wedge]

sorry wrong reply

i wanted to add it to the message before

[slate wedge]

yes, regulus is better if you hit your shots

yes, scorpio is better in really close range and for CC

but if you want pure dps use ouro

[hexed steppe]

So personally I'm a mid to long range player. SMG has little value to me regardless of its strengths.
Ar/rifle or mmr/ar.
Other than briefly running HF a while I dont even bother with smg.
If I'm close, it's because im running cc and I'll be on a scorpio 💯

[tawdry flare]

scirpio more dps iirc

[slate wedge]

nope, only after the 7th shot and you have to hit all pellets

[hexed steppe]

Hh, determined White death works at all ranges btw 🍻

[slate wedge]

thats fair but only personal opinion. if we base it off of stats it beats out every other smg by a mile and even most shotguns in dps

[slate wedge]

with regulus?

[hexed steppe]

I dont think that's been in doubt. At least not by me

No regulus

[slate wedge]

sounded like it to me, sorry

[tawdry flare]

no

[slate wedge]

in close range it isnt as great then but yeah HH is kinda OP

[hexed steppe]

I'm an smg hater, but I can also appreciate that it will have insane close range potential

[slate wedge]

ouro has 1.1m base dps

scorpio has 977k base dps

[hexed steppe]

Definitly harder at close range but I hate losing my proc, I keep ar /sometimes scorpio for shtf moments

[slate wedge]

try using an m870 or regu in close range

if you still have HH procced it should be fine

[hexed steppe]

I've used super90 its ok. I dont usually switch till proc is gone. I also run chc mods on the hh build so elmo does pretty decent

[slate wedge]

ahh ok

[hexed steppe]

I'm always running shit a little different than meta tho.
Chainkiller/4pc hotshot/memento/tech spec.

Does really well tho and turret drone distractions have some small teeth anyways

[slate wedge]

memento on a HH build is weird but 4 piece hotshot is great with determined

[bronze hound]

what misinfo is being spread here today

[hexed steppe]

Works out well. 30-60% wd depending if short and long buff active. It's not Twd but I'm still hitting up to 32mil with gb event.. probably 25-27 mil without

[hexed steppe]

Idk, you haven't typed anything yet... so TBD 😅

[bronze hound]

rude

im tryna fight a sickness and this is what i get 😭

[slate wedge]

but you can't pick up trophies with it

[hexed steppe]

Well you can. And also if npc is in an area you cant access like behind the threshold of a spawn door or on a wall with no access, stuff like that will drop the trophy on you instead of on the ground. Same happens on memento eclipse with stuff burning in the same type of areas

There are a lot of times you can hit NPCs in those areas if you know the spawns

[bronze hound]

memento kinda mid tbh

[hexed steppe]

Only if improperly utilized. I use the skill efficiency /regen and the other cores as well

[bronze hound]

id say its never BiS

[hexed steppe]

Definitly welcome to your opinion. It has some other functions that I'm willing to make concessions for. For me it is kinda bis in my specific situation for use.
I also dont reccomend it to anyone, and specifically prefaced my original comment with running stuff a bit different

[bronze hound]

ive tried it and hated it

always run into not doing enough damage

every time ive used it, felt subpar

[tawdry flare]

division 3 leaks

[bronze hound]

what leaks

[tawdry flare]

new sickness in div3

[bronze hound]

idiocy isnt a sickness its a disease

[tawdry flare]

lol div3 sickness:idiocy confirmed by dev

[bronze hound]

i swear video games show you who will get hit by natural selection the hardest

[hexed steppe]

Div 3 sponsored by Brawndo?

[tawdry flare]

is he also an idiot?

[hexed steppe]

No, just an energy drink...

[vestal ibex]

It's what plants crave!

[hexed steppe]

The thirst mutilator 🍻

[tall jewel]

new player what builds are easy to get

[hexed steppe]

Striker

Very easy to farm and use

There is a spreadsheet pinned in this channel with that and many other proven builds

[tall jewel]

hunter fury seems fun so far also is determined perk hard to get

[vestal ibex]

Ez to get.

[tawdry flare]

ezy pZy

[vestal ibex]

One run of countdown with snipers and you'll probably have most talents.

[tawdry flare]

cd never enough farming yellow setup 🥲 haven't got it

[tall jewel]

love being kicked every other count down though lol and yah do i just run chest piece as targeted loot??

[tawdry flare]

just do challenging

don't go heroic

[tall jewel]

i love a challenge though lol

[bronze hound]

then get a good build

[tall jewel]

its not the build why u get kicked its the shd tech lvl lmfaoo

[bronze hound]

if i can do heroic cd on shd level 1 for hardcore then i dont think so

[tall jewel]

and i said every other one i kicked it doesnt matter

[bronze hound]

well what are you running

[onyx sage]

send a screenshot here

[tall jewel]

hunters atm trynna get determined for hot shot

[bronze hound]

send photo

[bronze hound]

okay so yeah its 100% because of build not level

[tall jewel]

again its build advice bud im looking for help

[hexed steppe]

Hf scorpio is fine tbh

[bronze hound]

if youre a low shd tryna do heroic cd im saying that is why youd get kicked for that

mainly because of the cg, unbreakable, and mmr

stands out like a sore thumb

[hexed steppe]

Just run challenging ez

[tall jewel]

boutta go back to a glass cannon build

[hexed steppe]

Once you get a solid striker itll be a better all around build. Hf is good damage but you need to be cqb

[bronze hound]

"i love a challenge though lol"

[hexed steppe]

Then you need something other than cd 🤣

[tall jewel]

i can do cd fine i came to for a viable build so i can work towards reason why i asked

[bronze hound]

I'm just quoting him lol

[bronze hound]

It's a build that'd get you kicked that's all I'm saying

[tawdry flare]

it is not that bad as i was expecting

[hexed steppe]

Wasnt directed at you. My striker comment was. Hit up that pinned spreadsheet . Striker ceska chest and either Grupo or coyote mask.
That type of build will negate any kicking possibility from build composition

[bronze hound]

I've seen worse but for a low SHD yeah it'd get you kicked

[tawdry flare]

hf is fine with Scorpio

[hexed steppe]

Oblit talent on chest

[candid night]

Is that contractor gloves? What does it bring to this build

[bronze hound]

It's a sign of disorganization

[tawdry flare]

you also need a ceska bag

[tawdry flare]

nothing with shotgun cause shotgun already have dta

[bronze hound]

Any sign of disorganization gets kicked at low level

Or skill build*

I didn't get kicked at SHD 50 for a 4 blue heartbreaker lol

[candid night]

Contractor gloves are staple with lmg builds. First time im seeing with hf

[tawdry flare]

hb with ble is not that bad tbh

[bronze hound]

Yeah

[tall jewel]

againnnnnn i just needed a build and im farming for hunter fury gloves so i can switch build around and run memonto

[bronze hound]

But what I'm tryna get at is that it was organized and no mismatched attributes

[tawdry flare]

uf you want to make it better

[bronze hound]

I just wanted a basic shit build so I could not die lol

[tawdry flare]

memento is good for solo play but in group a regular ceska bag with opportunistic or the setup will be better

[bronze hound]

Since it was hardcore n all

[candid night]

What lvl are you? We might be in the same boat

[tawdry flare]

5.11

[bronze hound]

I still wanted to be relevant xD

[tall jewel]

reasin why i want it cause i do like solo play

[hexed steppe]

Ok let me say this again. Hit the pinned section of this channel.
There is a spreadsheet with striker and every othe viable build .
All tested and effective

[tall jewel]

the google drive one??

[bronze hound]

Memento even solo is kinda mid

[hexed steppe]

Yeah

[hexed steppe]

There is a hub(builds) tab. Each build line has a link to more detailed breakdown

[tawdry flare]

on few builds not really that much especially with hb you can get some hefty combo out of it

[summer flower]

thats how a lot of the recent exotic guns in div 2 have been

and it has ruined pvp

[bronze hound]

I said mid not bad

[bronze hound]

Erm skill issue

It hasn't ruined pvp lol

[tawdry flare]

™™™

[summer flower]

a shock gun that a new player can use with any shit build can kill a majority of ppl who dont use haz

[bronze hound]

Then use haz? Lmao

[summer flower]

even without shock, 70 round mag, 20cc/cdd

[tawdry flare]

it was double companion that ruined pvp for a time

[summer flower]

that was a bug

[tall jewel]

Boutta just go back to being a skill build 😂

[candid night]

We can still run double companion now, right?

[hexed steppe]

Its available to only ppl with shit builds? Or available to all?

[bronze hound]

Yes it's just not broken

[tawdry flare]

yeah but not broken

[bronze hound]

Yeah not sure how it's broken considering everyone has access and it's working as intended/not op

[summer flower]

the shock gun and new smg gun that is releasing are completely broken for their weapon category

[bronze hound]

It's literally not?

[summer flower]

just take a look at the rpm, mag size, and attachments

[bronze hound]

Just use hazpro? Lmao

[summer flower]

read

[bronze hound]

You realize base dps for the Elmo is worse than a strained FAMAS right

Lmao

[summer flower]

if u wanna include the talent then lets incorperate the shock talent lol

[bronze hound]

Just run hazpro now it's useless

It's so easy to counter like how is it unfair

[hexed steppe]

Well the thing is... it doesnt matter what is meta at any given time.... if someone can use it well everyone else starts complaining about it. Before elmo it was the shield meta. Now ouroboros coming and all will be complaining about that... short answer, dont pvp is you cant* figure out how to counter the meta. I agree with eevee, skill issue

[summer flower]

u still get out dpsed running haz

[bronze hound]

No you don't lol

[summer flower]

so easy to counter in a 1v1 but if ur solo u almost have to resort to regulus with haz

[bronze hound]

Are you trying to say its unfair to lose a 1v4

[summer flower]

ur telling me an average crit build user will not out dps someone running 80% haz?

[bronze hound]

I'm saying they'd lose in a 1v1 yes

[hexed steppe]

Why are you complaining about it

[summer flower]

with what headshot or crit haz?

[bronze hound]

Average crit build is dogshit in pvp

[summer flower]

u definetly don't pvp lol

whats ur ubisoft name

[bronze hound]

I do and I play as unfairly as can be

[summer flower]

whats your ubisoft name

[bronze hound]

I wonder what my Ubisoft is 🤔

@hexed steppe do you have any idea

[summer flower]

yeah u don't pvp

[bronze hound]

Lmao