td2-build-advice

[gentle lichen]

But support focused might as well use perfect sledge

[bronze hound]

kard with sledgehammer best dps sidearm

[gentle lichen]

This is on pretty much all my builds

[bronze hound]

especially hella nice with the new skin for it

[flint wave]

Firestarter with fire grenade best synergy ong

[nocturne socket]

@amber flax Please don't advertise streams in this server

[real skiff]

Come back to division 2 after a long break, since Covid where we played on that same patch for like 2 years. And my build is outdated now 😞

[tawdry flare]

are you sure you are not over chc cap

[glad heart]

It is not outdated. The 3-piece providence all red dps build is still the workhorse in the div 2. Some are still searching for Versace in K-Mart,

[glad heart]

Yeah he may be over the crit chance cap

[tawdry flare]

cause elmos 20+10+10+10 = 50 + 4chc rolls = 74 chc that is too much assuming all rolls are chc/chd

[glad heart]

I solved that problem by replacing a couple of the same pieces with altered rolls

[tawdry flare]

should adjust a bit for elmos and high end too because +14 above cap is a lot

[glad heart]

replacing chance with handling, or regen etc

[amber flax]

@nocturne socket is that not what it’s for to help division 2 community via streams YouTube discord and so on apologies

[tawdry flare]

hsd/handling good

[glad heart]

yeah I thought about putting HSD on the build, will try it out at some point and see.... but that guys build is not outdated. He should not think that.

[nocturne socket]

This server is meant for the community to hang out and chat. This specific channel (build advice) is to help people come up with a good build, yes, but not via promoting a stream.

[amber flax]

Right

[orchid cloud]

Remove the extra chc even if it turns to 59% ur missing lots of chd

And replace shield splinterer

[real skiff]

I probably am, but I’m far to lazy to go in and count it all. Shield splinterer is for right now. Need to find a famas or m4 with killer I think. Since In Sync was changed and messed up that part of my build.

[tawdry flare]

no killer go fast hands or strained

[real skiff]

Iirc I was able to use in sync with a shield back in the day?

Strained, I forgot what that was

[tawdry flare]

nerfed to the ground

[tawdry flare]

gain +10% chd for evey 0.5s you are firing stacks upto 5 times

[orchid cloud]

if the guy wants umm perfect version, its cold relations and i highly advise well only if its liked, pp19 smg, 80% crit dmg if totally maxed

currently using it rn to get that 180% chd with 60% chc

[tawdry flare]

i would refrain using smg with gc unless going hf cause you are in enemies face and one hit kill

[real skiff]

Oh yea def that then

[real skiff]

I have cold relations

But I hate smgs

[orchid cloud]

oh.

alright haha then u can go assault rifle with strained

[real skiff]

I didn’t know that was perfect strained though, been in my stash since forever

[orchid cloud]

but with imperfect version, u can only get around 50% chd extra

250%, its good and cool

[tight robin]

Yeah, you only get that 80% for the last dozen or so rounds in your mag, though. Still, better than the non-Perfect version, except on rifles.

[gentle lichen]

You can shoot 1 round every 0.49 secs till you get 80% but that's very redundant and will get you in a lot of trouble

Substitute for a talent that'll maintain dps like fast hands

[glad heart]

Strained is the go to for red dps builds with AR

Fast hands goes with FAMAS

[gentle lichen]

Famas is an ar

[tight robin]

I'm not suggesting you slow down your shooting with a rifle. But a rifle leaves a lot more in the mag after youv'e ramped it up to full. So overall, Strained is proc'd for much longer with rifles than ARs or SMGs.

[gentle lichen]

If you're going for rifle might as well go for either boomerang or rifleman

[glad heart]

Yes umm I know that, the ROF is a bit high for strained

[sullen sun]

Is there a rifle gear set?

Overlord?

[orchid cloud]

its like uhh last resort card i think

[gentle lichen]

Can still put strained on it and notice the dps increase

Higher than optimist

But for sustained you'd go for fast hands

[glad heart]

Agreed

[gentle lichen]

Not that i know of. But for rifle damage brands you have overlord. Heavily recommend using foxes instead of another overlord piece for the rifle damage

[sullen sun]

I do thx, we need a green set for rifles

[slate wedge]

these ytber builds are so funny/horrible

[tawdry flare]

should've used striker bag but it is KBD so i guess that's expected

also gc smg striker is a one way to death

[ripe grove]

Bro really think he one punch man

[slate wedge]

yeah lmao, you just get infinitely higher damage by using striker bp

[slate wedge]

obliterate gives same damage as gc when using striker bp

[tawdry flare]

only if solo in team can't say that

[slate wedge]

true, but gc just kills you 10 times quicker

so obliterate is miles better

[tawdry flare]

not really if you know how to play but with smg i would never use it unless hf

[slate wedge]

even if HF i would never use it

you shouldn't use gc eith any smg aside from maybe safety distance

[hexed steppe]

glass is fine, and doesnt have ramp up like oblit.

[slate wedge]

oh no, i need to shoot a mag that i would have to shoot anyways because of strikers while with gc you can't even use the shield peak technique properly

[hexed steppe]

glad you agree

[slate wedge]

sure do

[tight robin]

Yes, but Overlord gives only +10% weapon damage, so it's not doing a lot on an all-red build that's already got +105% weapon damage. going from 205% weapon damage (six red cores on gear and +15% on rifle) to 215% modified weapon damage is less than 5% increase. The reason people use Fox's Prayer, with or without a rifle, is for the DTOC.

[sullen sun]

Yep 👍

[flint wave]

glass is fine if you don't take exactly 2 bullets worth of heroic one man damage behind the shield which i would imagine is hard to do with smgs

[cunning agate]

Will St. Elmo's start dropping after you unlock it via season pass?

[tawdry flare]

yeah but season pass is nit required iirc

[cunning agate]

iirc?

[blissful rampart]

iirc = if i recall correctly

[cunning agate]

Oh as in you don't have to purchase the pass

[blissful rampart]

and yes Elmo is unlocked for your normal target loot pool after you get it from the season track (free side)

[cunning agate]

But I would still have to get to level 90 first correct

[tawdry flare]

no need

[cunning agate]

okay gotcha, does purchasing the pass give any xp bonuses?

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[blissful rampart]

nope

purchasing the season pass ONLY unlocks access to the paid track rewards.

[cunning agate]

Gotcha, thank you

Is this season ending soon?

[tight robin]

In a week.

[hexed steppe]

I wasnt endorsing any build. Just pointing out a difference between glass and oblit. But getting killed wearing glass is a skill issue regardless of the build . 🤔

[random relic]

Leggo district union build
(Ignore the white death , jst put it on for the lulz)

Howzit

[blissful rampart]

swap fox for ceska for a dps increase since lacking chc

[random relic]

Yea but fox's gives good deeps

Also I'm wondering if I should swap the armour for something unbreakable related

[blissful rampart]

your choice, ceska would be higher dps though, just saying

[random relic]

I mean you're not wrong I'm getting 42 chc on this

[tawdry flare]

remove memento with striker bag even higher dps

[random relic]

Yea but bonus armour on kill

[blissful rampart]

its not on kill, its on pickup

[hexed steppe]

Bonus armor on pickup*

[random relic]

I mean if I change bag to striker then I'll probs change the gloves to grupo

[blissful rampart]

also run shield

[flint wave]

very much a skill issue when one shot protection is your only savior when so much as a slight breeze from a nearby exploding barrel goes off

[random relic]

Same difference

[flint wave]

horrible for smg

[random relic]

I thought of shield but revive hive

Hmmm
Should I remove banshee rhen

[blissful rampart]

shield is much better then revive hive

[flint wave]

Shield has head glitching perks which is invaluable

[blissful rampart]

revive hive is training wheels tbh. does nothing if you know how to play smart

[tawdry flare]

lol

[blissful rampart]

doesnt have that with no scope

[flint wave]

st elmos can head glitch just fine

[tawdry flare]

elmos have scope

[random relic]

Ok I hv good news n bad news
I do hv ceska knees
And it's got max chd n armour
But it's got God damn explosive resistance for some reason

[blissful rampart]

not 8x

[flint wave]

like the enemy can't hit you back type head glitching

[blissful rampart]

oh wait nm

[tawdry flare]

but you can still glitch with it

[hexed steppe]

Do you use glass? Because it sounds like you've tried and failed... use what you like or not. was my statement faulty? If not then idk what you're going on about

[random relic]

Wait I'll jst change it to God damn hand ceska

[blissful rampart]

ignore me

[tawdry flare]

focus

[flint wave]

Is it really a skill issue when the threshold for going wrong is so low? Yes I use glass but not on red builds, I simply don't like it

[blissful rampart]

yes its purely skill issue tbh

[bronze hound]

so is not liking focus yet here we are

[random relic]

Atleast I'm on max chc n 164 chd with 1.9 mil armour

[bronze hound]

and doing no damage*

[blissful rampart]

FYI that armor means nothing on legendary

just holding you back

[bronze hound]

but damage does

[random relic]

Eh
I'll change two cores

[flint wave]

2 armor cores doesn't hurt

6 armor cores might

[bronze hound]

it doesnt help and it does hurt

2 armour cores does little to nothing in legendary

[random relic]

Wait where did my mats go
I had like so much

I had like 2k ceramics where did it all go

[flint wave]

you actually don't health gate from a yellow grenadiers grenade so

[bronze hound]

you spent it all

[random relic]

I DIDNT SPEND IT

[flint wave]

I mean armor break

[bronze hound]

mats dont just poof out of existence mate

[random relic]

I haven't changed any core or recalled anything

[random relic]

I haven't touched the recal station in days

[bronze hound]

nor crafting station?

[flint wave]

Recalibration addict moment

[random relic]

Nope

[bronze hound]

nor projects?

[flint wave]

tf

[random relic]

Nipe

[bronze hound]

because im calling cap on all that lol

[flint wave]

Same

[random relic]

Wait I may hv spent it
On the
Shd thing

[bronze hound]

expertise?

[random relic]

Fuck
The exotic cache project

But that takes only like 500 doesn't it

[bronze hound]

expertise is a material pit lol

[random relic]

Ok I may hv spent it on expertise
My bad

[bronze hound]

bruh

[random relic]

Eh whatever IDC I'm good

[bronze hound]

"i havent touched the station in days"

[random relic]

yea the last time when I touched it comeon

Don't diss on me on a technicality

[flint wave]

the last time you touched it you forfeited your rights to ceramics

[bronze hound]

i am because you said it yourself

"where the hell did my money go i havent gambled in weeks"

[random relic]

Fine
Anyways this build is good for heroic

Ain't tried leggo yet

[bronze hound]

it would be slow

really slow

[flint wave]

6 armor cores is 100% excessive

also striker chest lol

[random relic]

I'm thinking of changing it to unbreakable don't worry

Or obliterate

[bronze hound]

bruh cut out the armour

stop tryna make yourself survivable

[random relic]

I wanna stay alive tho

[hexed steppe]

Did you do any mat donation proficiency leveling? It's really easy to donate all mats

[bronze hound]

survivability doesnt exist in higher difficulties

[random relic]

Yes yea we sorted it out

[bronze hound]

then kill them before they kill you

[random relic]

Ok fair

[blissful rampart]

eh well it does but comes from smart play and using shield and also shield peak. not from armor cores.

[bronze hound]

i meant in terms of pure bullet sponging

[flint wave]

well we have protection from elites and an elite filled mission

that's the closest I got

[onyx sage]

yeah this game is clearly balanced towards your survivability mostly coming from cover, and the level and environmental design matter a lot. if this game has no cover you will die lol

[tawdry flare]

glass cannon

[flint wave]

glass cannon

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[bronze hound]

the heat death of the known universe

[flint wave]

everyday carrier

[tawdry flare]

ninjabike 5.11

[flint wave]

sleigher galvanize

[tight robin]

Ah, so I'm not the only one that's done that by accident!

[hexed steppe]

Elmo is actually unlocked for all regardless of season level. It can drop from assault rifle target loot.
One of the recent patches had a mess up happy accident that unlocked it for all

[hexed steppe]

Yeah it's easy to do since same key for both. Its in the same boat as someone in countdown calling the chopper way too early when they were just trying to pickup loot 😅

[blissful rampart]

right forgot about that elmo bug lol

[flint wave]

first with ninjabike not dropping from targeted loot now this

[magic pilot]

Y'all are sleeping on leadership

And protected reload

[flint wave]

Protect deez

[magic pilot]

We all know gunslinger is the best chest talent

Reassigned and energize combo

[flint wave]

Energize + efficient 🐴

[round zinc]

perfect braced and ninjabag

[magic pilot]

Wrong emoji 🐐

[round zinc]

yall sleeping on the goat sniper build

[magic pilot]

Nothing is gonna beat perfect mad bomber

Really shaking the Meta up with that one

Might be able to try it out on hard

[round zinc]

exuro literally powercreeping eclipse fym

it outdps 200 stack striker now

10 exurillion dps

[flint wave]

Mad bomber + that one demolistionist perk literally op

[magic pilot]

Idek what you are talking about🤣

[round zinc]

ignore one explosion every 1 minute

its literally the metah bro

[flint wave]

Grenades cooking and exploding in your hand + explosions don't do anything to you every 60 seconds

[bright tendon]

What are some good skills that can perform on their own without additional stats, while already sitting at 3 skill tiers?

[onyx sage]

decoy, shield, EMP sticky for pure utility

[bright tendon]

Thanksss

[flint wave]

Revive hive

[tawdry flare]

also shock traps

[flint wave]

Banshee pulse pretty cool too

[bright tendon]

Unfortunately the Banshee skill is locked behind the gunner class

[flint wave]

gunner is the best spec anyways so not an issue

I mean gunner is a good spec

[bright tendon]

I'm running this atm, the shield is solid and rarely breaks down thanks to the booster hive, but the low mobility is a bit boring

[flint wave]

ninjabike is definitely not the play especially on hb

Heartbreaker runs vigilance alot

[bright tendon]

Are you saying the over-armor doesn't turn it off?

[tawdry flare]

this builf is pretty bad in term of dmg

[flint wave]

Shield and blue armor don't turn off vigi

[tawdry flare]

you should run ceska vigilance bag instead of ninja 4pcs hb and coyote mask

[bright tendon]

Ah I had no idea about the blue armor part, interesting

[bright tendon]

Alright I'll be trying it out

[urban latch]

Your getting so little out of ninjabike...

[bright tendon]

I find the 3 main stats pretty valuable in general, I guess I was wrong?

[urban latch]

In that case your far better off with memento, but if you'd prefer more damage then like others said, vigilance

[tawdry flare]

what racey said

[urban latch]

Also whether or not you end up going with memento make sure you get 1p ceska in there somewhere

[tawdry flare]

except the chest

[urban latch]

Yeah, I mainly just mean either coyotes or memento + 1p ceska. You'll still want to keep HB chest

[tawdry flare]

have you tried sleigher gb ?

[urban latch]

No. Tbh I don't really bother with GB at all

[gentle lichen]

Do you need a clear line of sight between the status-affected person and the people 8 or 10 meters around them for creeping death to work?

[tawdry flare]

no works through walls and roofs

habe to be within radius everything else doesn't matter same with ep talent

[random relic]

PvE/PvP build (gotta be v careful with this)
Thinking of changing unbreakable to spotter

[magic pilot]

Run contractors gloves and ceska holster

[random relic]

I thought of contractors but the brand bonus ain't worth it
What will I do with lmg damage bonus

[flint wave]

Elmos naturally reaches like chc 58 with ceska

[random relic]

Ceska I don't need I'm on 58 chc

[random relic]

Yea exactly

[magic pilot]

Change your mods then

[gentle lichen]

Dmg to armor is more than worth it tho

[magic pilot]

If you don't need ceska run improvised holster

[blissful rampart]

the dta of contractors is much stronger then losing a brand bonus (ie petrov)

[flint wave]

5% weapon damage or 8% weapon handling?

[magic pilot]

Providence isn't doing much with KB

[flint wave]

That's what this is basically right

[blissful rampart]

with elmo you can run all the big 3 (picaro, fox and contractors)

[gentle lichen]

Might wanna go for picaro's

[magic pilot]

8% DTA

[flint wave]

Or picaro

[flint wave]

I'm talking for the holster

[random relic]

K I'll try contractors gimme a sec

[magic pilot]

Picaro isn't really worth cause he has no blue already

[flint wave]

if it's ceska you would switch out some chc for handling

[random relic]

Yea why dyou need blue
Tf you gon do with blue

[blissful rampart]

still stronger then walker (even with zero blues)

[magic pilot]

Improvised

[gentle lichen]

It's a blue at the cost of brand slot and minor attribute

[flint wave]

Weapon damage cores matter less the more you have

[random relic]

I'll diss on the prov holster for ceska then

[gentle lichen]

But you're better off with ceska or improvised as said

[random relic]

Gotta reroll the ceska blue to red tho

[blissful rampart]

also there are great pvp build guides on the pinned spreadsheet, id give that a look

[random relic]

I'm a regular pvper ik what I'm doing
(No I'm not being rude sorry if it came out like that)

[blissful rampart]

also losing a brand bonus is well worth it IF the item is strong enough (IE picaro, fox, contractors)

[random relic]

Ok to be fair
I think the contractors is def better here
But no ceska

[gentle lichen]

Improvised holster?

[random relic]

Maybe

[gentle lichen]

Lemme see if i can make that build

[blissful rampart]

contractors is a dps boost in that build

[magic pilot]

Providence just seems so wasted in pvp on crit builds

[random relic]

Ok believe me or not but the Walker gloves are working better than contractors against dummies

[gentle lichen]

Yeah with foxes and contractor's you only really have 3 brand slots left assuming you use coyote's

[blissful rampart]

well i mean, if you are great at hitting heads, prov holster there is good

[gentle lichen]

Instead of 3 pc providence you'll go ceska grupo then weapon brand

[random relic]

Fox's is a must tho

[magic pilot]

Only problem is st Elmo doesn't need ceska

[hazy steeple]

Yes I know how to read the spreadsheet, thank you.

[random relic]

So is coyote

[random relic]

Exactly this

[flint wave]

ceska is basically 8% weapon handling in this build lmao

[blissful rampart]

this is just an error with testing. also fyi dont use the dps meter in shooting range its bugged

also 8% dta stomps on walker 5% WD

[random relic]

These the stats on elmos without contractors n ceska

I hate how St elmos has rendered eb completely useless
I miss clutching against 4 man clans in conflict with eb

[gentle lichen]

Just missing out on 1% chc on bag

If you wanna max chc you'd go for 1 chc mod

But that'll make chd 188%

[random relic]

I am on chd 188
Without max chc

Ok I see what you mean

[blissful rampart]

here are your stats at max, flex the holster depending on playstyle with that build:
ceska (if you mainly cqb)
Providence (if good at landing constant head shots)
improvised holster (if you want a balanced for ranged)
https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKhAsA2EAGFbUfegXMAnOFDIZqVmcrhBNLOfRStnKMHEaI1+dt3w0zDtg0WgP4ZsYBElTBgEYAA4C+OXlZ4IFXuPG6JPZEA

[gentle lichen]

This beauty on 3rd craft lol

[magic pilot]

God tier

[onyx sage]

jesus

[magic pilot]

Now craft me a double crit unbreakable sokolov

[urban latch]

It already was

[gentle lichen]

572K with improvised and 550K with picaros

22K less dmg for more armor and more value on unbreakable

This is the 550K setup

[urban latch]

Are you just comparing crits?

[gentle lichen]

Yep

Not really caring for specialisation or skills

[urban latch]

And are you comparing 5 reds vs 6?

[magic pilot]

Both are technically 6 reds

[gentle lichen]

Picaro being potentially a 6th

[urban latch]

Don't count Picaros

[flint wave]

not like the 6th red matters

[urban latch]

Of course the improvised will win in that comparison

[gentle lichen]

I've also talked trade offs

22K dmg in pvp is how much?

[urban latch]

ARs will do 40% of the damage in pvp that they do in pve

[gentle lichen]

So after you apply pvp modifier you'll add 40%?

[urban latch]

If you do 100k damage in pve, then you'll do 40k in pvp

[gentle lichen]

Ahh true true

[magic pilot]

You multiply by .4

[gentle lichen]

8.8K more dmg or 170K more armor then

[urban latch]

So if your comparing just crits then your not accounting for Picaros properly

Are you using this 5/6 red core build for pvp?

[magic pilot]

Yes

[vestal ibex]

But I want to single out a number that makes it look better without actually comparing all the number and crit chance.

[gentle lichen]

60% on improvised and 58% on picaro

[blissful rampart]

plug your build numbers into the Quick DPS calc in the pinned sheet

[gentle lichen]

Same chd

[urban latch]

Don't think of it as 8k more damage, think of it as
average damage1/average damage2, and compare the same with armor

Tldr answer, in pvp you'll get more % benefit out of armor cores

Which is why I'm saying compare the same number of armor cores, don't just treat both as 6 red builds

[magic pilot]

@blissful rampart

What are the good big mag lmgs

[blissful rampart]

IMHO Neg, blue screen, and Gr9 (with ROF mag) and
for "small mags" RPK and MG5

[magic pilot]

New Meta builds?

[flint wave]

that first build really just be expertise levelers

[magic pilot]

It's upgraded wdym

[shy basalt]

expertise on armor lul

[vestal ibex]

Idk about you guys but I've run into plenty of people up to 6k SHD with WTF builds on in almost all content. If you mention or ask about it they almost always say "it works for me you just don't know the game" then proceed to get tossed in lego.

[flint wave]

no shot they say the last part unironically

they were trained for this moment

[urban latch]

"it's fun"

[onyx sage]

"i'm hard carrying my teammates and they're still not putting in the damage so we wiped" to their friends

[magic pilot]

Guess what I got

First one in awhile

[flint wave]

[vestal ibex]

No decon gif???

[magic pilot]

Lol it's gone now

Too much effort for a component

[rich lotus]

But it’s the disrespect that matters

[fathom thunder]

I’m running a striker build with momento backpack. Good or bad

[fickle light]

bad by default

[fathom thunder]

So don’t use momento. Use coyote mask?

[urban latch]

Check out the pinned spreadsheet, bunch of build guides in there includes a strikers guide. Main thing to keep in mind is that gearsets (green gear) aren't necessarily better than high ends (yellow gear). There's basically never any reason to be using all gearsets

[fickle light]

thats not the problem. gearsets have 1 minor attribute, while high ends have 2. you only start getting bonuses (small ones) at 2pc of a gearset, so its almost never worth it to use 1/2/3 peices of a gearset- only 4.

[fathom thunder]

My gear exotics are imperial dynasty, momento backpack, and coyote mask. Will any of those work for this build

[urban latch]

Memento or coyotes, typically coyotes is the way to go on strikers

[fathom thunder]

Because I’ve been running imperial dynasty for a while

[fickle light]

coyote's, yeah. but as raucey said, check the pins for the build spreadsheet, it will tell you exactly what you want

[urban latch]

Imperial dynasty is one of the more worthless exotics

[fathom thunder]

Yeah it lowers my damage from 101.2k to 97.5K

[fickle light]

well yeah, its a skill exotic (but a bad one at that)

[fathom thunder]

I removed the back pack. Damage is now 99.4k
Add the imperial dynasty to the mix and now it’s 95.8K. How nice

What part of the striker build isn’t really necessary

[fickle light]

the foundry piece you have on? unless you mean what part can be high end

[urban latch]

The number your looking at isn't really how you want to check your builds damage. It's only showing your weapons base damage x weapon damage, but there's a lot more that goes into damage that it's not accounting for

[fathom thunder]

This

Because I just bought the HG knee pads

[urban latch]

Is your smg a ump?

[fickle light]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/client/snv?isnewsnv=true&noteGuid=0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a&noteKey=ed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&sn=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.evernote.com%2Fshard%2Fs588%2Fsh%2F0ee25268-ad51-0dd8-be36-f12373c7630a%2Fed1072bcb59a18f66b8619994f12c4e6&title=Strikers%2B%2528TU18%2529 A lot of your questions will be answered by the sheet, fyi

[fathom thunder]

Before vs after HG know pads
HG knee pads
Health: 286.2k —-> 302.5K
Armor: 739.5K —-> 782.9k

[fathom thunder]

Yes

Police UMP-45

[urban latch]

Are you choosing your guns mainly based off what has the higher damage number?

[fathom thunder]

Total damage is 105.0k

[fathom thunder]

Yes

[urban latch]

Yeah, just ignore that damage number for now lol

It's really misleading you

[fathom thunder]

Before I was using st. Elmo’s engine but switched due to the damage number

[fickle light]

switch back lol

[fathom thunder]

I see a lot of strikers using the chameleon

[urban latch]

Elmo is far stronger. A overly simplified but quick comparison, multiply the guns damage x rpm. At least that gives you the burst DPS, although that's leaving out quite a lot as well.

[fathom thunder]

Yeah but you got through ammo so quickly

[urban latch]

Just go with the elmos for now, read the strikers guide, and as you learn more about the game you'll realize where we are coming from

Your going through ammo quickly because your currently firing marshmallows

[fathom thunder]

How do I increase weapon damage

[urban latch]

☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[fickle light]

gamer just read the guide i beg you

you are asking questions that are either mostly explained or mentioned in the guide

[fathom thunder]

So weapon damage increase is based on your build

[fickle light]

the number you are seeing is not worth paying attention to

[blissful rampart]

that number ONLY looks at bullet damage with weapon damage stat added. it leaves out a lot of factors and is not worth looking at.

[fathom thunder]

This is how I’m looking now

Shotgun is custom m870 mcs

[bronze hound]

That foundry does nothing to help you

[fickle light]

once again, dont use 1pc of foundry on your kneepads, it does nothing

actively hurting you due to opportunity cost

[fathom thunder]

K I switched to the HG kneepads

[bronze hound]

Mal

[urban latch]

1p ceska is what you want instead of the 1p foundry.

[fathom thunder]

Ok

[urban latch]

Ideally all your minor attributes would be crit chance and crit damage

[fathom thunder]

Despite me playing offline. I never thought it would be this crucial

[bronze hound]

If you wanna do more difficult content it is

[fickle light]

well you did come into build advice

[fathom thunder]

Yeah but I never thought it was this important in offline mode

[bronze hound]

If you ask for advice you get it

[fickle light]

[fathom thunder]

Hopefully this helps

I used to just spin the wheel on gear

[fickle light]

you'd get a lot of help if you read the guide i grabbed for you

[bronze hound]

No way in hell you're doing any legendary like that

[fickle light]

but i guess we arent at that stage yet

[bronze hound]

especially solo

[fathom thunder]

I like having fun not breaking Xbox controllers

I stick to challenging and hard

[bronze hound]

If you break Xbox controllers over a video game that's a skill issue

[fickle light]

if you break controllers thats on you, your build wont help with that

[fathom thunder]

Behold my new build idea: the ragequit build

[bronze hound]

• soloing legendary is a piece of cake if you know what you're doing

[urban latch]

That's an exaggeration...

We aren't talking about builds that can solo legendary, we are just talking about the basics to get started making a build that makes sense and learning the game

[fickle light]

i wouldnt even say the build mal had didnt make sense- it was just crucially misguided

[bronze hound]

I didn't see the first one

[fathom thunder]

Yeah and the fact I don’t wanna die every 5 minutes

[fickle light]

well you wont be any tankier, you'll just kill enemies faster

[fathom thunder]

That’s what the shield is for😎

[bronze hound]

If you don't wanna die then it's a matter of not getting shot

Don't rely on shield

[fickle light]

shield will go down in like 4 or 5 hits

[bronze hound]

Lol

[urban latch]

Shield is definitely one of the best skills in the game

[fickle light]

i do agree, its just that you cant use it as a "oh i'm invincible now" its much more of a "oh no lemme get out of here real quick"

[fathom thunder]

I use crusader

[fathom thunder]

And also “don’t look the other way”

[bronze hound]

?

[fickle light]

its a shield, only protects you from a single way

(its more like ~90 degrees but you get the point)

[urban latch]

The crusader shield is absolutely not the issue here

[slate wedge]

*is literally the most

[slate wedge]

striker shield OP

[tight robin]

I wasn't saying you didn't; I was simply mentioning that here for the convenience of others, and your message happened to be the one I replied to in order to keep things somewhat threaded. I'm sorry that rubbed you the wrong way.

[proper onyx]

hi i want to know where is the best place to farm the eagle bearer i am new to this game

[tight robin]

So are sniper rifles at all useful in builds that are not focused entirely around them with a gear set and/or Headhunter? Seems to me that without those kinds of things their DPS is just way low compared to, e.g., a rifle.

[glad heart]

I use Mantis with my full red ar build in certain circumstances. For instance taking out the mini-gunner on the boat, in the last area of Roosevelt first, as well as the sniper in the preceding area.

I think that citing DPS is out of place with a sniper rifle, as it is generally a one shot kill, a second shot being more risky as the npcs rush you

[tight robin]

I've been working it with a Perfect Trauma + Perfect Creep arrangement, and since both are Habsburg I end up with +15% MMR damage, but soloing with it doesn't seem to work particularly well at all. I'm definitely not getting enough one-shot kills because the Tactical .308 won't kill through a helmet. (And of course dogs etc.) I can probably upgrade various things to help fix this and easily get 50-100% more damage out of the MR, but then I end up losing a lot of my status support and it turns from a more status-y build into a sniper build.

[glass pike]

whats a good regulus build for darkzone i seen someone running all blues with a regulus and he kept putting me down i just want to have one in my loadouts just in case

[glad heart]

If you want to run a MMR with that build, try White Death

[hexed steppe]

You can try just running them on separate builds to level. I have a clan member that's always running perf trauma on striker build. Obv not most damage but he does well on it.
Perfect creeping fits well in eclipse ( which would be a real good way for running some status skills to proficient)
I assume you're curently running them together to knock them out for proficiency

[tight robin]

I was doing them for Proficiency, but though that's done I like them together enough that I'd like to figure out if I can make this build work reasonably well. (I know it's never going to be meta. And yes, I do use Perfect Creep on one of my Eclipse builds.)
Game is taking forever to come up, but basically it's Vile, 3 Habsburg and 2 of the that one that gives you +10% StEf followed by +1 Skill for the second piece. All recalibrated to red cores except for Vile.
It's possible I should be trying to do this with a red Eclipse instead, but then I lose either the Trauma or the Vile.

[hexed steppe]

Vile would be the easiest to lose if you went red eclipse since you wouldn't be using any amps.
You could possible tie in something with perpetuation to boost status. In current, without eclipse, every status will be applied and any perpetuation proc would actually boost the status being applied. (as opposed to eclipse death spread)

[little wraith]

Anyone got any builds for the darkzone mainly PVE farming but can hold its own against rogues?

[tight robin]

I'm not quite understanding what you said there from, "In current...."

[hexed steppe]

current setup not using eclipse

perpetuation doesnt affect status spreading on death from eclipse , but in a pure status build you are manually applying all status so perpetuation should actually boost all the status

[tight robin]

So is the Perpetuation boost somehow different between Eclipse and my current build? FWIW, I am trying out replacing the MR with Everlasting Gaze (rifle with Perfect Perpetuation) since I need to grind that anyway.

[tight robin]

Ah, yes, I have noticed that the spread from Creeping Death does seem to be affected by Perpetuation. Presumably that spread is considered part of the initial application.

[hexed steppe]

well perpetuation works on status but only manually applied. i used to think it was boosting *eclipse death spread as well because it spends the perpetuation proc but it doesnt. in your situation it should help a good amount

[hexed steppe]

yeah it sounds like it 👍

[tight robin]

Also, I need to check this more carefully, but it looks as if my initial headshot procs Perpetuation that is then used on the blind also applied by that headshot.

[hexed steppe]

yeah it should proc and spend in the same instant

it does with special ammo anyways

[tight robin]

Ah, yes, it definitely is. Brilliant. So basically every 20 seconds, I get a 15 second blind on a whole group.

[hexed steppe]

very nice

[tight robin]

If only these damn enemies would stay closer together. :-P

Also this should help make short work of my "Bleed 3 hostiles at once" project.

[tawdry flare]

ahh just use regulus

or creeping death with Ridgeway

[tight robin]

I have no Regulus. And no room for a new build, though Ridgeway is tempting.

[round zinc]

I hope we get a 3 piece gearset one day

Thats something div1 did and it was pretty cool

[tulip charm]

huh?

[tawdry flare]

hu that didn't existed

we had he but once classified came out everything became null and void

[round zinc]

I swear they did that before

I gotta check again cuz i might be thinking about another game

Yea Nomad was the only 3 piece gearset

Granted you can probably do that in div2 now with some questionable choice or gear

But still its a cool idea that you can run 2 gear sets at once

Like just on the most basic level,if Exuro is a 3 piece you can just use it with eclipse ninjabag

Im not sure about the balancing factor here i just think its neat

[tawdry flare]

not worth it you are straight up loosing 30% amp for ninja to viable it should allo to be compensate for gearset bagpack talent

[round zinc]

Its not meant to be a bizarre meta option its meant to open up for more build variety

[random relic]

St elmos with literally anything is heavy hitting

Yup now it's my main weapon
Cant do any build without it

I think this is THE build
(Don't judge the oh Carol , jst put it on for the lulz)

[tawdry flare]

mhh what is the chc/chd

also i would swap 1 pcs prov to ceska and adjust everything to chd

20+10+10+6*4=64chc with ceska have to use mods without ceska we get 54 + 1 chc mod

and if you are running coyote might as well go improvised

on prov to get more crit

or running prov if you can hit head guess prov is fine with elmos it becomes a drag sometimes cause you overcap on he build

so i guess it is fine after thinking don't mind the above statement

[random relic]

60 chc with 188 chd

[tawdry flare]

a bit low with elmos

[random relic]

The chd??

[tawdry flare]

yeah are you sure chc is not overcap?

[random relic]

Yup

I'm launching the game gimme a sec

[tawdry flare]

ok i would remove

once chc mod for chd due to coyote

[random relic]

That's what I'm aiming for rn lmao😭

[slate wedge]

oh man

doubke unwavering doesnt quite work

[tight robin]

Interesting. What's the issue? Are you making sure you don't swap away until Unwavering has de-proc'd?

[real skiff]

Regarding striker

If your in a group with someone already running coyote mask, what do you use?

GS sombra mask for 15% CHD?

[blissful rampart]

grupo

or dodge city holster, still great

[real skiff]

Okay that’s what I thought but wasn’t sure.

[real skiff]

I actually need a regulus build… do you have one?

[patent fossil]

Or still coyotes but switch to a different range for the extra buff

[tawdry flare]

high end or hf variant pick your poison

hf is better dmg

survivability

[blissful rampart]

great one on the pinned spreadsheet. also dodge city isnt ONLY for Regulus fyi (normal D50 or liberty also works

[real skiff]

I have a hf Scorpio build

Could I use the same build? Just with dodge city holster?

[tawdry flare]

mhh have someone tried double barell dch 👀

[blissful rampart]

its a shotty so doesnt work with dch

[tawdry flare]

damm lol

[tawdry flare]

no need to change rolls to headshot dmg and the chest pcs is chainkiller eith d&h bag with vigilance or d&h chest with headhunter and memento

[real skiff]

Oh I have a god rolled chainkiller I had on my aces & eights nemesis build

[tawdry flare]

all rolls headshot secondry handling

[real skiff]

So I need another HF set with headshot damage instead

[tawdry flare]

pretty easy it always drops with red core have to change the attribute to headshot

[real skiff]

Oh mine was headshot damage & chd but I can change the CHD

[tawdry flare]

do it handling>> chd for headshot builds

unless you are getting coyote long and mid buff

[real skiff]

Bet thank you, going to make one today. Always wanted to make one, just I still don’t know

What it’s going to be good for other then memeing

Maybe countdown with large groups of npcs?

[onyx sage]

HF headshot isn't just for memeing lol

top speedruns use it

[real skiff]

Wait you can speed run with regulus???

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[real skiff]

Wtf is the radius on the explosion???

[tawdry flare]

it is speedruners favourite

[tawdry flare]

4-5m iirc

[onyx sage]

5m but the thing is you can one tap anyone

[real skiff]

Jesus

[onyx sage]

even bosses

[real skiff]

Wait I thought

[onyx sage]

for bosses you need m870 though

[real skiff]

My nemesis build was as high as you can hit tbh

[bronze hound]

so it was 3 hotshot 2 hg 1 airaldi?

[real skiff]

That crits like 60m ish

[real skiff]

Nah my Nemisis build was 4pc aces & eights with perfect chai killer and vigilance on a backpack but forgot the brand. Made this A LONG time ago

[bronze hound]

then its not the best it can be

[orchid cloud]

should use scorpio in a full tank build?

[bronze hound]

3/2/1 setup is how you get the highest damage

scorpio or liberty

[real skiff]

Yea I made that build before hotshot was even in the game

Idek what that set does, I just came back

[bronze hound]

well double check your facts before making a statement :p

[real skiff]

I said

“I thought”

[merry stone]

is 4 blue, rest red good for pvp?? dark zone??

i hear that armor scales better in pvp

[bronze hound]

oh i see now

[real skiff]

Imo, me personally I run perfect glass cannon and all red in dz

But your gonna die a lot

[bronze hound]

youve missed a lot on the game because you one-shot raid bosses now

[real skiff]

WTF

[bronze hound]

lol

[real skiff]

Nahhhhhhhh 😭😭😭😭😭

[merry stone]

hmm is glass can risky for pvp?? u'll get melted

[bronze hound]

you hit for around 830m

[real skiff]

Risky is a understatement.

[real skiff]

Nah wtf 😂 this is insane

[bronze hound]

pvp is mostly irrelevant unless you either play unfairly or have everything max expertise

[flint wave]

dodge city holster is very cool

[merry stone]

woah what build 👀

[bronze hound]

it requires abusing the ravenous iirc

and negotiators

unless things have changed since ive last looked at it

[real skiff]

Or hear me out you play super fucking creddy and shoot people who are unaware with a crit build with perfect glass cannon and vigilance and just instantly kill them 🥲. Downside, your not winning a single 1v1 if they shoot back

[flint wave]

does ravenous apply to other people?

[bronze hound]

no?

[flint wave]

ok

[merry stone]

oh that thing makes sense, since if i remember correctly it designed to basically shit on named and other higher ranked bosses

[orchid cloud]

memento full stacked gives 120% extra wpn dmg right?

[real skiff]

Isn’t this the backpack

[orchid cloud]

yep

[bronze hound]

i dont think each stack is 4% weapon damage lmao

[real skiff]

You collect trophies with?

[merry stone]

i know i just want to explore the dz

[bronze hound]

then run whatever

[orchid cloud]

yep, if full stack it gives 120% weapon dmg right? short term buff

[merry stone]

yes thats the one

[bronze hound]

short term buff you cant really stack well

[real skiff]

Never liked memento just bc very rarely are you ever getting a lot of stacks, back in the day. Memento might actually be nice in countdown idk though

[orchid cloud]

oh its actually 150% total my bad

30% from the long term buff

[bronze hound]

memento is shit in countdown

[orchid cloud]

yeah u cant get kills too much in countdown

[merry stone]

memo is old news everyone and their grandma be using saint chad engine

[real skiff]

Oh so it’s still useless

[orchid cloud]

so just opt for another build that deals more dmg

[orchid cloud]

its not entirely useless

[real skiff]

I’ve always been a vigilance backpack type person. Never branched out

[bronze hound]

"if it doesnt work in countdown its useless" bruh

[bronze hound]

famas better smh

famas does more damage

[real skiff]

I mean it was useless everywhere else before countdown. Bad in raids, bad in solo mission running, bad in legendarys

[bronze hound]

its not bad in solo

[merry stone]

short term maybe that extra 20 bullet gives you more sustained dps, not to mention its also more accurate and stable

[bronze hound]

thats literally where its most relevant where are you getting your news from lol

[bronze hound]

its 1% less dps if it doesnt have a damage talent but much better sustained with fast hands and better sustained with a 7% better burst with strained

[orchid cloud]

famas with strained? how good is it

[bronze hound]

best damage ar in the game

[real skiff]

I run perfect glass cannon and vigilance in solo heroic missions. Memento seems like a dps loss since your not getting enough stacks to out dmg the glass cannon, and vigilance. And also losing out on CHD and CHC

[bronze hound]

how quickly do you do said missions

[blissful rampart]

strained on famas is still ~9% dps boost

[tawdry flare]

fast hands

[bronze hound]

yeah thats pretty much what i said

[merry stone]

is iron lungs the next season reward??

[bronze hound]

yes

iron lungs sounds like a pokemon dead ass

[merry stone]

stats seemed decent, which is good to many ass lmg that suck

[bronze hound]

its bad

[orchid cloud]

that exotic lmg where it shoots hot rounds doesnt make sense in my opinion lol

[merry stone]

is it?? oh man that sucks lol

[real skiff]

Pretty fast but I’ve never tried to speed run either max, but pretty fast

[orchid cloud]

dragon's breath shotgun would even make more sense than what was put in the game honestly

[merry stone]

yeh it applies burn cc/status

[orchid cloud]

yeah i was trying to find logic in that gun LOL

[bronze hound]

because best build for running heroics is HHF

[bronze hound]

last week this chat came up with an idea for an exotic sawed off with a 10 round mag, 8x scope, and deleted your entire mag in one shot if you aim down sights

[flint wave]

Still didn't get a name tho

[bronze hound]

im down for naming it "keener's bullshit"

[flint wave]

I was thinking "the experiment"

[bronze hound]

better idea

[merry stone]

we need a exotic rocket launcher, tired of those armored true son who run around with it lol

[orchid cloud]

if they still want to like push the idea of new exotic lmg, just name it Hitler's Buzzsaw

[flint wave]

iron horse

[tawdry flare]

legendary too

[bronze hound]

all exotics are based off guns already implemented so you cant really do that

youd have to make an exotic minigun, exotic grenade launcher, exotic crossbow... you see what im hinting at

[tawdry flare]

you can tech or demo launcher

[bronze hound]

wdym

[hazy valve]

You know what we need, exotic mods lol

[bronze hound]

no.

[hazy valve]

u never like my ideas :(

[flint wave]

st elmos mag mod pls

[hazy valve]

Lol

[bronze hound]

well it wouldnt make sense

lmao

[orchid cloud]

recommend lady death for tanky build to replace the dps loss by amplying 75% dmg?

[hazy valve]

Imagine an exotic ar mod that gives u bleed ammo every 3 reloads

Now that would be cool 😎

[bronze hound]

no

[real skiff]

HHF?

[orchid cloud]

uhh secondary if my primary is famas with strained

[flint wave]

lol

[real skiff]

Or

Just run ridgeway

[bronze hound]

lady death wont compensate for reds

[bronze hound]

hunters fury with chainkiller and an M870

[onyx sage]

headhunter's fury

[flint wave]

that build sucks in open area

[hazy valve]

<_<

[onyx sage]

ideally cqc yeah but i still make it work in CPs

[bronze hound]

so does glass cannon whats your point

[real skiff]

Ahhh I can see that. My Scorpio HF makes heroics easier but I don’t have headhunter. That had intimate and adrenaline rush though

[flint wave]

Atleast with glass cannon I can head glitch behind a corner across the map

[bronze hound]

headhunter carries, one-tap everything

[hazy valve]

Glass cannon op!

[bronze hound]

"i can cheat" >trying to justify something bad

[flint wave]

but that's red builds in general

we always cheat

[bronze hound]

i run 4 hf + backpack, chainkiller, dch

[real skiff]

Just was marginally slower then me running all reds. But almost impossible to die. Never tried hf with chainkiller. Going to do that build today though for regulas

[flint wave]

crusader shield is cheating

[royal nimbus]

I just sit behind cover and let imperial dynasty burn stuff with eclipse

[real skiff]

Preach 🙏🏼

[hazy valve]

Best way not to die is to kill the enemies faster, best advice

[bronze hound]

everything needs to be rolled with headshot dmg

[bronze hound]

which you can do with hhf over gc he

[real skiff]

Fax perfect glass cannon 🥲 ♥️

[flint wave]

screw glass cannon tho

[real skiff]

How dare you

[hazy valve]

I would never use gc lol

[bronze hound]

are you sure thats not over the chc cap

that looks over the chc cap

[flint wave]

That's 50 chc without attributes lmao

assuming st elmos and watch

[bronze hound]

yeah 100% over the cap

[real skiff]

It is found that out the other day.

Gotta change some attributes

[bronze hound]

how did it take you that long to notice

[orchid cloud]

dont worry if the chc drops to 59%, dmg matters the most

[real skiff]

I just came back from a 2 year quit 😒

[bronze hound]

mates like 30 over lmfao

[bronze hound]

did you just equip elmo without looking at any of the attributes

[flint wave]

Would be even worse with like provi glove with coyotes

[orchid cloud]

whats the st elmo attribute?

[bronze hound]

lmao

[real skiff]

Yea I had literally just bought the tiers and put the gun on. Hadn’t even used it yet. But I know I’m over the cap, bc even the shield splinterer has 60% CHC 😂

[bronze hound]

better off running strikers tbh tbh

[flint wave]

builds like this is the reason we should remove the 60% cap

[real skiff]

I made that build last night!

Just need a ceska chest to finish it

[bronze hound]

so people can get 100% crit chance?

[flint wave]

Exactly

[bronze hound]

no

[orchid cloud]

100 and above is useless right?

[flint wave]

Div 2 would be a happier place

[real skiff]

Yes! Give me a reason to run killer on all my guns

[orchid cloud]

no i mean above 100 chc is useless right?

[bronze hound]

above 60 is useless

[flint wave]

yea

[real skiff]

40% chance killer don’t proc, making it a shit talent

😞

[flint wave]

true

run close and personal instead

[orchid cloud]

personally i dont recommend killer

[real skiff]

I won’t run it

Just bc the 40% chance you don’t crit

I need to find a new gun to replace shield splinterer. I only have that on rn, bc before I quit I was using a famas with in sync

[merry stone]

what are good talents for strike builds??

[bronze hound]

only good dps talent is near sighted

[real skiff]

But they made it to where you can’t use a shield now and In sync proc

[flint wave]

Ong

[bronze hound]

for the gun or

[real skiff]

So shit talent now

[merry stone]

gun

[bronze hound]

strained or fast hands

[orchid cloud]

anyone recommends in sync talent?

[merry stone]

what about the backpack and chest piece??

[bronze hound]

for firestarter yes

[real skiff]

What about optimist?

[bronze hound]

worse

[orchid cloud]

i wouldnt say no to extra 40% extra skill and weapon dmg

[bronze hound]

strained better than optimist

[merry stone]

obliterate yay or naw?

[real skiff]

Back in the day it was really good

[bronze hound]

obliterate for chest yes and striker backpack

[real skiff]

Bc In sync proc’d with shield

Now it don’t

[orchid cloud]

would it proc if u use other talents

[bronze hound]

because it was bugged*

[urban latch]

In sync is still quite good...

[orchid cloud]

no not talents, skills i mean

[real skiff]

Nah, senseless nerf tbh

[bronze hound]

it was literally bugged lmao?

[real skiff]

On a dps build , your only running shield & reviver hive

So no point in sync now for a dps build

[blissful rampart]

shield yes but not everyone runs reviver

[bronze hound]

i run fixer lmao

[flint wave]

I run banshee

[onyx sage]

decoy, turret, EMP sticky

[orchid cloud]

in my build i run bulwark shield and any other skill that deals dmg like seeker mine

[real skiff]

I run reviver bc I get 1 hit

[onyx sage]

more utility skills

[blissful rampart]

reviver is a trainning wheels skill TBH. its worthless when you have good play

[flint wave]

decoy is also very cool tho

[orchid cloud]

so like seeker mine procs my in sync

[real skiff]

60% extra dmg taken goes brrr

Need that reviver 🥲

[flint wave]

reviver allows you to play more aggressive because your risking less

[tawdry flare]

use decoy

[bronze hound]

I thought you said you didn't by playing far back 🤔 maybe glass cannon is bad?

[tawdry flare]

best for hh

[hazy valve]

Unless ur playing hardcore lol

[blissful rampart]

even then

[onyx sage]

reviver doesn't save you when you're surrounded to begin with

[real skiff]

I still get over cocky sometimes trying to kill something faster then it can kill me

Sometimes don’t work 😭

[bronze hound]

Skill issue

[urban latch]

Reviver is one of the best skills in the game

[blissful rampart]

eh

[flint wave]

Crusader shield

[orchid cloud]

handy at times only tho

[flint wave]

reviver is 2nd

[orchid cloud]

most people look for skills that are generally used

[surreal depot]

by giving up a skill slot to put reviver u put urself in more situations to die to begin with

[merry stone]

btw shd watch levels after 1000 keep giving free health and materials loot right??

[flint wave]

possible 3rd

[orchid cloud]

like bulwark shield to cushion the incoming dmg

[real skiff]

Eagle bearer needs a buff

Can’t bring myself to use it over st Elmo now 😩

[bronze hound]

Eagle bearer shouldn't be buffed

[hazy valve]

Reviver is a handicap skill for people who can't properly position them self to not die, but like azure said once u get used to positioning and noticing ur surrounding easier, it's useless

[flint wave]

more like it's less good

[bronze hound]

^

[orchid cloud]

(2)

[bronze hound]

It's useless if you don't die

[flint wave]

Useless is hard to say

[hexed steppe]

Striker drone a lot more reliable of a proc for in sync

[bronze hound]

So in short it's good if you have a skill issue

[urban latch]

Reviver is for teammates who think a drone/turret will keep them up on their DPS builds so you can pick them up without stopping yourself

[tawdry flare]

for hc reviver is best

[blissful rampart]

i just let them sleep hehehe

[livid horizon]

Not sure about that. Seems a very polarised view. I run reviver a lot and I don't always use it. But it allows for very aggressive play knowing that if I don't quite kill everything I'll get another bite of the cherry.

[flint wave]

Reviver + tdi kard op

[real skiff]

Random nade hits me with glass cannon. From full armour & health to being down. It’s not always positioning that gets you killed. 😒

[hexed steppe]

How does that nade hit you then?

[flint wave]

legendary

[urban latch]

Calling it a handicap is just insulting tbh. It's one of the most useful skills in solo and group play. It's a "handicap" because it's useful

[bronze hound]

Raucey do you use reviver

[urban latch]

Very often

[bronze hound]

I can tell .-.

[real skiff]

Er the second I start shooting i draw all the threat bc the skill builds people use in legendary doesn’t draw any aggro from the npcs. So then all nades and drones and shots are sent my way

[bronze hound]

Decoy?

Striker drone? Assault turret?

[real skiff]

Over reviver or shield??????

[bronze hound]

Over reviver ya

[real skiff]

I’ll have to try decoy.

[hexed steppe]

Gotta reposition ig 🍻

[flint wave]

decoy is worth it trust me

[urban latch]

One of my biggest pet peeves is having someone manually pick people up instead of just quickly dropping their revive hive for the teammate, causing both of them to go down.

Also players who think they are too good to use it refusing to, them either going down themselves or needing to manually pick up teammates when they need help

[orchid cloud]

decoy works better than reviver

[real skiff]

No where to reposition to when your in the very back already

[onyx sage]

here's a tip, they only target you if you're within their LOS. if you use tall cover or run between places where the NPCs don't have LOS on you, you don't get nades or drones coming your way

it's why shield peeking is so OP, it negates these LOS-based abilities that white tusk spam so much

[tawdry flare]

i like playing hide and seek with npcs

[flint wave]

Oh yeah cover to cover moves are a thing

So much damage reduction

[real skiff]

All I know is, running legendary on solo is far easier then running it with 3 people cheesing skill builds

[flint wave]

disagree

[tawdry flare]

@vestal ibex game crashed

[hazy valve]

Cause it Is a handicap lol

[flint wave]

even in backup requests

[candid night]

Easier or not solo will take long time but you can cheese with more ppl

[real skiff]

Legendary don’t take a long time solo if you go full damage

[vestal ibex]

I was like who tf pinged me

[tawdry flare]

lol

[tight robin]

Oh, nevermind, I missed the "causing both of them to go down" part.

[hazy valve]

I use reviver for my hc for safe measures, but still doesn't negate the fact that it's a handicap lol

[hexed steppe]

Couldn't any skill be cast in the same light?

[thin patrol]

I have 19 min solo Dua legendary

[flint wave]

not this again

[fickle light]

shield prevents damage? handicap

turret and drone do damage for me? handicap.

[flint wave]

damage on skill tier 0

[hexed steppe]

Exactly

[vestal ibex]

mo damage baby

[hazy valve]

To some degree lol, but it's a skill that brings u back up when u go down and that's extremely more significant than other skills that simply prevent damage or do damage for u, and not to forget skill tiers too, alot of skills aren't so useful with out skill tiers, reviver does the same shit even with tier 0

[fickle light]

also this is build advice where did reviver being a handicap come from? just reccomend skills and explain why and move on

[flint wave]

"Reviver is useless if you're good" or something

pretty extreme hyperbole lol

[hazy valve]

My bad xD but I wasn't the one who started tho lol

[fickle light]

okay, we all know its really good at all levels, just move on

if people want to be wrong think they are better bc they dont use something they can think that

[hexed steppe]

That's also offset by a huge cooldown.
It's all a dumb discussion. Calling anything a handicap is more about pi ssing someone off more than anything else

[tight robin]

So how is using Reviver Hive different from replacing red cores with blue ones? (Serious question.)

[orchid cloud]

Tell me who uses reviver in countdown

[tawdry flare]

reviver comes in handy in combo with kard kustom you can throw it revive two teammates at once also if shit happens it saves you

[bronze hound]

I do just cuz I have nothing else to use lmao

Some of my builds are whack as fuck

[tawdry flare]

if you die with all blue cores you can't resurrect

[bronze hound]

Like my focus od build 👀

[tawdry flare]

5.11 ninjabike build ftw

[bronze hound]

Nah I make DPS support builds lol

[slate wedge]

my idea was to have two unwavering vectors and you can have the buff up all the time by just swapping between them but it disables the buff from all weapons for 5s

however you can swap and the buff still activates after the cooldown

[tawdry flare]

you can use vector and sleipner combo

[bronze hound]

Vector and sleigher?

[slate wedge]

so it is great when you are in a mission with small and fast engagements

[tawdry flare]

get rids of 4s long reload

[slate wedge]

unwavering only appljes to the weapon it is active on tho

[tawdry flare]

no

you can swap and get the buff. i cant share the ghe link but search roterblitz it is his latest video

[flint wave]

banshee pulse

[bronze hound]

Some of them use firewall

[flint wave]

shit

[tight robin]

Yes, but you can be killed again after reviving and be unable to ressurect, just as you can live for longer but not infinitely with more armour. So at a higher level, of "should I trade damage output for longer survival?" what's the diff?

[tawdry flare]

gives few second immunity

[bronze hound]

Longer survival only works if you can kill the enemies. If you can't kill them then doesn't matter how long you survive

Go all in on damage

[tight robin]

Sorry, not clear on that. Does the few second immunity mean you can't be killed again? Or does it just let you live a bit longer, like having more armour?

[tawdry flare]

yup you can't get killed for few seconds after revive

[tight robin]

Right, but how is that relevant to my question?

[tawdry flare]

revive hive works after death blue cores before death

even if you get one shotted revive gives another chance doesn't matter with blue cores

hyena rusher for example just put as much as core you can won't save you

[flint wave]

I had a seizure while reading the last bits

[tawdry flare]

hyena rusher moment

[tight robin]

So which one of those is not trading damage output for longer survival? Or are they both doing that?

[tawdry flare]

red core gives highest dmg and with reviver you get one extra life with blue core less dmg and no extra life

[tight robin]

So an extra life is always worth more than extra time alive?

[tawdry flare]

yup cause if enemies are dead you can't die

more dmg = enemies die quick

dead don't shoot back except for reanination event

[tight robin]

Ok,, so if you die after one minute, get revivied, and die again a minute later, that's better than surviving without dying for three minutes?

[tawdry flare]

with blue cores on higher difficult that doesn't matter

you can take like 1-2 more bullets

[tight robin]

What do you mean? I can essentially take continuous damage on Legendary with a good armour loadout.

[tawdry flare]

what load out Would that be

cause we are comparing red core crit vs blue core crit

the time wasted in tanking dmg can be saved if npcs are dead

[tight robin]

It's the usual Foundry Bulwark loadout.

[tawdry flare]

foundry is not fair comparison

for what you asked

[tight robin]

Yes, that's the point I was trying to lead you to! You're using a slot that could be used for soemething offensive for something defensive instead!

[tight robin]

It is indeed; if you think it's not, you misinterpreted what I'm asking.

[tawdry flare]

i knew that but sometimes things doesn't come to mind when you want them

[bronze hound]

what skill issue is being discussed this time

[hazy valve]

Idk tbh

[tawdry flare]

dev is here

[flint wave]

foundry is like 90 million shield health

[tawdry flare]

19 million with memento

[bronze hound]

lol what

[flint wave]

hyperbole

[tawdry flare]

can get upto 20

[bronze hound]

this is why we use tone indicators

also foundry sucks imo

none of my tank builds are foundry

all HE or HE sprinkled with cav

[flint wave]

none of my builds are tank

[bronze hound]

you should make one tbh tbh

[flint wave]

I can only do so much with 16 load out slots

[bronze hound]

you dont have 16 dps builds

[tawdry flare]

i have 16 different builds

[bronze hound]

and are any of them tank

[tawdry flare]

i have a pfe/striker hybrid that come as close to a tank

[flint wave]

I have like 6 skill builds and atleast 5 dps builds so

I forgot what the rest are

[bronze hound]

thats not 16

but also why do you need 6 skill builds

[hexed steppe]

alot of ppl do

[tawdry flare]

5*2 + 6 = 16

[flint wave]

2 eclipse builds 2 high ends a future initiative

[bronze hound]

randomly multiplies by 2

[bronze hound]

2 eclipse builds why

[tawdry flare]

see 2 variation if a build

[flint wave]

Fire build and a cc build

[tawdry flare]

foam / fire

[bronze hound]

just swap the skills manually wtf lmfao

[flint wave]

nah

[bronze hound]

waste of space

[flint wave]

Vile mask is there too

[tawdry flare]

no i have 3 eclipse

[flint wave]

I need vile for fire

[bronze hound]

pointless

do you even use all of them

[tawdry flare]

pointman*

[flint wave]

yes

[tawdry flare]

i do

[bronze hound]

lets go back to the 6 dps builds, what are they

[flint wave]

one I use the least is fire admittedly since that's like strictly solo or low diff

[bronze hound]

why would you use fire solo instead of hhf

[hexed steppe]

i have at least 4 ep builds XD

[flint wave]

striker negotiator both have focus variants striker has a memento variant and a determined HH build

[bronze hound]

both have the focus variants

why

[flint wave]

cuz

[bronze hound]

that is literally worthless

[flint wave]

st elmos can't have focus

[bronze hound]

focus sucks on ars

[flint wave]

perfect focus I mean

[bronze hound]

perfect focus sucks on ars*

[flint wave]

actually a 4th striker variant as well it's the one with a chest

[bronze hound]

theres literally no fucking point

[flint wave]

yes I have a lot

[hexed steppe]

how many backfire builds you have saved 🤔

[tawdry flare]

no @blissful rampart

[flint wave]

I'm being trolled

[bronze hound]

1 and its my cavalier build since its support

[flint wave]

ban this troll

[bronze hound]

im not trolling

[tawdry flare]

how many tank build do you have

[bronze hound]

3 or 4

[flint wave]

wtf

[bronze hound]

two of them specifically for raiding tho

[tawdry flare]

waste of space 1 is fine

[bronze hound]

true

but i also dont complain about not enough loadout slots lol

[tawdry flare]

never did i

[bronze hound]

never said you did

[tawdry flare]

@flint wave you are soloing legendary boss @bronze hound

[flint wave]

ok turns out I have more then 6 dps builds

[bronze hound]

mates got nothin on my aim

[flint wave]

platform issue

Input device issue

[bronze hound]

lol cope

[flint wave]

Already did

[bronze hound]

unfortunate

anyways back to what i was saying

[flint wave]

that perfect focus sucks on ars?

have these leg speedruns been a lie

[bronze hound]

well it does

[bronze hound]

which speedrun category are we referring to because solo is not ran on focus last i checked