td2-build-advice

[vestal ibex]

Suggestions that are easy and will help right away.

1. Striker backpack
2. Mask to grupo/coyotes if you have one otherwise don't worry too much
3. work your CHC to cap of 60 or 50 if you do have coyotes

I mean the striker bp will increase your damage by 35% at full stacks right off the bat.

[spice rapids]

as in for stacking?

[flint wave]

At 100 stacks which is not hard to maintain yes

[spice rapids]

or upfronot

[spice rapids]

got it

so which pieces of striker should i be using

other than the packpack

[flint wave]

not the chest piece 90% of the time

[spice rapids]

i got gloves kneepad and the holster

[tawdry flare]

use thise and a ceska chest with obliterate

and a groupo mask

[spice rapids]

oh wait the chainkiller's talent is kinda dope

chest piece

[flint wave]

Dope for mmrs and certain pistols yes

[tawdry flare]

and shotgun
s

[flint wave]

Headhunter shotguns been weird lately

[spice rapids]

weird is good

is ther a specific way to farm weapons?

[flint wave]

targeted loot

[glossy scarab]

intimidate is not going to be active on that build

[tawdry flare]

countdown with Targeted loot meaning you can select what you want to farm

[tawdry flare]

reroll chest talent to obliterate

[spice rapids]

the mechanized or the chainkiller

[tawdry flare]

mechanized chainkiller talent is fixed as it is a named item

[spice rapids]

this is the chest im using

ah

shock

[flint wave]

average rngesus blue ball

[spice rapids]

how about big drum chest piece

[flint wave]

The brand is bad for ar

[spice rapids]

or crew adapted

[vestal ibex]

best to just re roll talent and farm or keep an eye out for a better one.

Correct brands and rolls are more important than high rolls.

[spice rapids]

ok dont clown on me but i dont see where i can reroll

[vestal ibex]

You good man. So the recalibration bench, you need to have the talents/attributes stored in the library by sacrificing items.

[tawdry flare]

use high roll on bad brands in Library

[vestal ibex]

Then you can use the recalibration section to roll 1 thing on an item but you can't do this to exotics or the yellow talent/attribute on named items.

[spice rapids]

yeah ive extracted quite a few

yeah i see it now

[vestal ibex]

Also once it's in the library it's unlimited uses.

[spice rapids]

i though the station was to just swap stats

[spice rapids]

thats amazing

[urban latch]

Each gear piece you can choose to recalibrate one thing on it. One you choose you can change that roll as many times as you want, but won't be able to change anything else on that gear piece

[spice rapids]

so unfortunetly i dont have obliterate yet

[tawdry flare]

also don't optimize rolled items

[spice rapids]

how about headhunter?

[glossy scarab]

no

[spice rapids]

damn. it sounds good though

[vestal ibex]

HH is special and requires set up.

It IS good, very good.

[glossy scarab]

glass cannon maybe? or unbreakable or spotter depending on what you have available

[urban latch]

Until you get a good chest your best option will probably be strikers chest. Chests and backpacks are always the hardest to get the right rolls on.

[spice rapids]

ive got all of those

[vestal ibex]

Try them all yo.

[tawdry flare]

i think that ceska chest is fine for now

[spice rapids]

lmao

[tawdry flare]

just reroll the talent

[vestal ibex]

I'm serious tho, there is a list of like 6 builds everyone should have and right now you are making one of them so it's good. You'll see a ton of people talk of meta in here but meta for legendary is much different than what a solo heroic player needs to clear content quickly and have fun.

[spice rapids]

got it

[spice rapids]

skilled/spotter/intimidate/unbreakable/vanguard/glass canon/focus/braced/spark/trauma/reassigned/efficient

those are all ive got

[vestal ibex]

Personally I'd suggest unbreakable if you wanna have more survivability and glass canon if you wanna do more damage but you will die much more often.

[spice rapids]

got it. transfered unbreakable

[vestal ibex]

Like Raucey said you can swap them around as much as you'd like once you roll it. Might even get obliterate after a little more farming and you can just swap that in.

[spice rapids]

yeah its great now that i read it

will do

thank you guys so much

[vestal ibex]

Np man. Just keep in mind most people are gonna steer you toward meta so just mention you are new and don't have all the exotics/perfect gear and the help will be aimed more at what you shoud do next on your build vs the best.

[hoary atlas]

I got Big Horn

Is that good for striker

[glad heart]

IMHO, a good piece to adorn your stash, and nothing else

[bronze hound]

Not a good gun

[vestal ibex]

Might as well use it during the GE to get it proficient tho.

[tawdry flare]

yup

it is the highest dps ar if you are hitting the head

[patent elm]

Even in automatic mode?

I thought the extra dmg is only for scoped

[vestal ibex]

Base damage x RPM it's actually really good.

On paper it's a pretty good weapon.

[patent elm]

Interesting

[blissful rampart]

big horn does have higher base dps but gets lower since no DTOOC, also its bonus damage is only when scoped in and has very bad recoil in and out of scope as well. also lower mag size

fun weapon but overall meh tbh

[vestal ibex]

GB makes everything better.

I actually think DTTOOC is bad on weapons because it is such a huge hit to almost every exotic and it's pretty much the only third attribute you should ever use.

[blissful rampart]

its just poorly balanced tbh. like if you remove dtooc from weapons you get a decent split in options

the big mag mod also has a similar issue tbh

[vestal ibex]

Just poor balance, something that's too far ingrained in the game to get fixed so just go with the flow ya know.

[magic pilot]

If Dtooc and DTA weren't options chc or rof would probably best choices

[blissful rampart]

even with DTA being an option, chc, rof are still good options (hence why i said remove dtooc option and its decently balanced with options)

[hoary atlas]

So it's mean Bighorn is good ?

[blissful rampart]

not how it works

[blissful rampart]

see here re bighorn ^^

[vestal ibex]

I'm simply saying that for the GB event it would be a nice weapon to play around with especially if you aren't proficient with it. This goes for a bunch of exotics that are lack luster as the GB makes up for it and it's much less grindy.

[civic grotto]

what build is the big horn good for?

[vestal ibex]

Nothing in particular. It would just be swapped in on an AR build and you'd just do less damage.

[tight robin]

I see it more as an alternative to a rifle.

[bronze hound]

the non-existent one

[candid night]

Striker + bighorn is okay

[bronze hound]

its not

cant charge up anything

[candid night]

Pair it with rock n roll

[bronze hound]

then you cant maintain them

[candid night]

Oh

[bronze hound]

a famas is able to maintain them because it dumps 50 rounds in under 3 seconds

[blissful rampart]

even if you could maintain them, famas still trumps bighorn

[candid night]

All 50 rounds has to hit enemy tho

[blissful rampart]

same logic applies to BIg horn (and all weapons)

[bronze hound]

you only need to land 9 to keep max stacks with a striker chest

6 if youre not using the chest

including reload speeds then maybe 15 max

and if youre not landing 30% of shots thats a problem in of itself

[candid night]

What

[bronze hound]

striker chest stacks dissipate at a rate of 3/s

takes 3 seconds to dump 50 rounds

which is a total of 9 stacks of the duration of the full magazine

15 max to incorporate for reload speed

[candid night]

9mags or rounds?

[bronze hound]

rounds

[candid night]

Woah

[bronze hound]

its only 3 per second for striker chest lol

[flint wave]

That's alot of stack loss

[bronze hound]

these numbers become significantly more apparent if youre not just bursting down the same enemy

[hushed gorge]

hows that?

[magic pilot]

Try to get a ceska chest

[bronze hound]

^

[livid salmon]

Is Catharsis mask open world drop?

[shy basalt]

@blissful rampart which talent are you running on striker acs

[jaunty moss]

Evening everyone. I finished the game and the expansion recently. Am at lvl 40 now. Can anyone recommend a build that will get me through the event ? I found that up until now the strikers battlegear 4 piece did very good, even on challenging or heroic. But that still leaves 2 gear slots open. Also skill recommendations are appreciated. Much obliged.

[bronze hound]

4 striker, Ceska vest with obliterate, coyotes mask

[vestal ibex]

Everyone is going to suggest coyotes mask but you are brand new so you might not have it. In that case just use strikers backpack and 3 minor striker parts and a ceska/grupo chest with obliterate, if you don't have a chest strikers can work until you get one. Correct rolls of CHC/CHD and brand sets will do the most for you vs max rolls of non contributing attributes.

[glossy scarab]

you can use a grupo chest thats fine its just small differences by 2% between ceska and grupo

just use a ceska mask

[vestal ibex]

I know you probably mean in the case of wearing coyotes mask but this reads like it would be a difference in the chest slot between those brands.

[glossy scarab]

yeah i know it came out wrong

[vestal ibex]

lol

[hexed steppe]

Ceska is ideal for chest on striker if coyotes

And elmos

[glossy scarab]

maybe not has coyotes

[hexed steppe]

Doesnt matter. Ceska is first choice

[glossy scarab]

yeah but ceska and grupo. it doesnt matter which one is in which place

[hexed steppe]

No not in that case. But it's better to farm the right chest when coyote does drop

Then you dont have to do it again

[glossy scarab]

yeah true

coyotes drops all the time for me. i hate always getting the same stuff

[hexed steppe]

Ez component that way

[glossy scarab]

yup junk it

[next parrot]

anyone have an eclipse hazard build that i can use to support in CD?

[bronze hound]

I have a weird one I might get judged for but give me a few and I'll post it

[next parrot]

yep yep I wanna support with foam and stuff but I can't if i am empd was my thought process

[bronze hound]

It doesn't have full hazpro but like 80

Good enough I'd say

[next parrot]

good enough for sure I can just use seom mods to make it higher for the one status I need

[bronze hound]

90%

(it uses all three mod slots)

6y+3b

[jaunty moss]

Ok I followed for the most part. Ceska/Grupo that’s the brand name of the gear set right ? And I should roll with an obliterate talent on either of those chest pieces, 4 striker parts, one of which is backpack, and optimally a coyote mask. Critical hit damage and chance are always my go-to on these builds, I’m not maxed with any of those nor do I know how to get max chc chd rolls on gear but I’ll get there. This however, puts me on the right track. Many thanks.

[bronze hound]

@next parrot

[next parrot]

riot and fire sticky?

[bronze hound]

yes?

[bronze hound]

you literally said "foam and stuff" lmao

[next parrot]

i meant what was in htat specific ss DX

[bronze hound]

fair lol

[next parrot]

is the striker chest piece ever worth it if yu are not going to be shotgunning for max stacks right away?

[bronze hound]

not at all

[hexed steppe]

this is what i use. 100% is no disrupt, or any other status. works like a charm

[livid salmon]

Is Catharsis mask open world drop?

[hexed steppe]

also dont need yaahl to hit 100% if dont have, use eletrique or hanna u and just have a haz pro on every piece. i would prio haste since a status roll only gives 1 second on foam duration

[hexed steppe]

yes afaik, mask target

[bronze hound]

i went for more support via galvanized

[hexed steppe]

yeah, i see. i just foam and debuff. dont need bonus armor if the npc cant shoot 😎

[bronze hound]

thats under the impression hunters dont break free almost instantly from the low status duration

[hexed steppe]

they break free from high status too 🥱
but they also have to contend with poison,fire,disorient,shock, 20% scorpio debuff, 40% stage left debuff with 7 angry sweats chewing up armor with striker setups 😍

[bronze hound]

right i forgot your team has like 40 members so you have 7 people on each hunter at once

[hexed steppe]

oh yeah, feels like it sometimes 🤣

[bronze hound]

are you on rn

[hexed steppe]

i know what i got works great, no need to convince anyone tbh. im sure your setup is useful as well, but you do catch some downtime from jams

nah not atm

[bronze hound]

like half a second

[hexed steppe]

i personally didnt like using mods for dirsupt because its hard to get all 10% and still susceptible to every other status. i used a regular creeping setup prior to perf creeping release and ran it 80% disrupt with mods. it worked as i was out of jams fast. but even then i prioritized haste so it wasnt a huge jump to throw my haste into the mods and just swap some pieces to hazpro. i really ran the shit out of it for a few weeks to give it some good testing and havent seen any need for changes. its pretty nice not catching fire or having an npc foam me tbh

[bronze hound]

not like theres any other status effects relevant in countdown lol

[hexed steppe]

fire ,foam, shock all pretty present

can walk across turbine while everyone is grabbing the floor during a shock

i think i only lost 2 seconds of foam duration for a normal npc. obv hunters and heavy stuff out faster but they always were anyways

[shy basalt]

man

why do i try to make all these builds

when strikers is not only easier to play but also just better

-_-

[tight robin]

Because making builds is interesting and fun? It's pretty much the core of Div2: there are plenty of other shooters if you want something where the build isn't so complex.

[shy basalt]

what are you talking about lol

div2 is like.. the simplest system

you can't really think the gearing system is complex can you?

[tight robin]

That's interesting; I was wondering about using Creep or Perfect Creep with Eclipse and couldn't decide whether it made sense or not. What makes Creep work well with it, rather than just duplicate Eclipse functionality?

[shy basalt]

my problem with it is that for example- there's no point making a sniper build with hotshot or aces unless you're just making it for fun

because it is both harder to play and less effective than strikers

it's not like other games where certain builds will perform better at certain content within the game

[tight robin]

I can and do; there are an enormous number of interactions compared to a games like the Borderlands series. Which is why they don't have players running around with absolutely awful builds or busy forums like this one to ask for build advice.
And you're wrong about not making a sniper build with Hotshot, there is a good one and it's extremely powerful. I'll let someone who knows it better than me explain it to you.

And by the "it's pointless if it's harder to play," Striker's is pointless too because it's harder to play than a drone/turret skill damage build.

[shy basalt]

not true, because strikers is more effective lol

tbh it's not really the games fault

the developers are just too split focus

because they're not just making a PvE game, they're also making a PvP game and trying to do too much

hence you get stuff like cavalier which is just completely pointless to a large portion of the player base

[brittle bloom]

Bruh why exactly have they done lately for pvp they haven't even updated servers in a long time hit reg way off

And the say they know status an issue for pvp and that they are looking into it but yet are adding more status in new season make it make sense

[tight robin]

Striker's is more effective for speed runners, or competing with speed runners. But does it make a huge difference whether you take 12 minutes or 18 minutes to finish a mission?

[next parrot]

is that the named backpack?

[shy basalt]

no.. it's more effective for me as well lol. if i'm clearing CPs it's significantly faster than tur/drone

[shy basalt]

sounds rough tbh

so basically they don't have time to do neither pve or pvp

[onyx sage]

Eclipse not spreading before the first kill is its biggest weakness and Creeping Death just removes it basically

[tight robin]

Ah, so it does help just at start (and I guess if you're not killing much because you're too busy status-effecting). So it makes a big enough difference that it's worth the slot? I should try it, I guess. Any hints on how to play it?

[tawdry flare]

on challenging duo and below creeping death works good

cause enemies are not that tanky

[onyx sage]

yes, it makes a big difference when your build is solely focused on applying statuses (like foam and EMP only for control, not fire for damage for example).

you would just play normally as you would another eclipse build, since you mentioned that you played fire eclipse. just remember to apply the status in the center of an enemy group

[tawdry flare]

preferably a red npc

with fire sticky

and shoot with a shotty to proc insync cause it ain't dynamic

[onyx sage]

it makes especially a big difference when you're using EMP sticky. EMP sticky vs EMP jammer pulse is basically single target vs aoe, long duration vs short duration. in legendary or other hard content you would try to use EMP sticky as you can work around the single target limitation with Creeping Death

[tawdry flare]

the range from expertise is nice too

[tight robin]

Ah, sweet. Yeah, I've had issues in multiplayer with getting my Eclipse stuff to spread because people keep taking the kills, so in groups it sounds like the creeping death thing makes a lot of sense. But then I start to wonder, if we're going down that route, should we be using Eclipse at all?

[tawdry flare]

no no no creeping death makes sense with foam if you use it with fire you lose dmg basically a 30% amp lost

[tight robin]

By fire, I assume you mean the Firestarter chem launcher? Yeah, that makes no sense with Creeping because it's AoE already. I was assuming foam if you're using a chem launcher, or something along those lines.

[onyx sage]

with fire eclipse you would use fire sticky and fire chem together usually

fire sticky has the advantage of being hitscan and targetable through corners

[tawdry flare]

yeah with foam creeping death better and secondary jammer/emp sticky/fire starter or use btsu creeping death combo with hive to oc

if going foam route use 1pcs electrique and 1 pcs golan for the rest of 2pc or 1 pcs hana or the courier skill haste/status with skill tier also survivalist spec is the best choice for cc builds

[tight robin]

But can't you get more skill damage and other good stuff out of a high-end build than you can out of an Eclipse build? Once you're using creeping death and focusing on applying effects rather a fair amount of shooting, why not go with a high-end build instead?

[tawdry flare]

for status build nothing beats out eclipse in pve

also cc is king in game

[onyx sage]

eclipse's spreading is unmatched by high end builds really

[tawdry flare]

a team with a good cc vs all dps

[onyx sage]

with high end you potentially get more skill haste, and there are situations in which more skill haste is better, but not much

[tawdry flare]

giess which will win

[tight robin]

What is Eclipse providing that the high-end build isn't? You can easily get more than +15% StEf and +15% Haste on just two items of a high end build. And if Creeping Death is doing your spread, is the additional spread of Eclipse going to help that much?

[tawdry flare]

also the spread is unmatched especially with creeping death you can foam entire room with one shot

[tawdry flare]

the spread is the main point 75% duration and 10m speead on kill

for status high end there is no talent that comes near that even creeping death cause it has a cooldown

[hexed steppe]

yeah, perfect creeping. can also use eletrique with regular creeping if you dont have the named

[tight robin]

Ok, so you do need to keep switching between applying StEf and making kills, and hope that the guys in your game tryiing to get the highest damage score are going to leave you something to kill.

[tawdry flare]

it is not about you doing dmg always it is a team effort

[onyx sage]

when you apply status with eclipse, someone else can kill and the status will spread

[tawdry flare]

if your team wins you win

[hexed steppe]

yeah, it spreads of death, creeping can have a secondary proc . eclipse is top notch and can be configured quite a few ways

[tight robin]

Oh! That was not at all clear to me.

[onyx sage]

yeah i thought that was the point of confusion

[tawdry flare]

yeah the on kill can be proced by anyone

even npcs themselves

[hexed steppe]

vile also adds more damage and can turn non damage status like foam to a damage status

[tawdry flare]

but with foam status vile may not be best bet

[hexed steppe]

for max burn strength you can also run glass on your chest

[tight robin]

So the Eclipse spread procs the creeping, right? Foam one group, someone does a kill, foam spreads 10 m, Creeping spreads it 10 m beyond that?

[onyx sage]

no, initial application, then creeping death and it goes on cooldown

[tawdry flare]

yeah creeping death has a cooldown though eclipse don't one is on kill and one is on applying

[onyx sage]

creeping death procs on application, eclipse procs on kill

[hexed steppe]

so 15m eclipse spread, 10m on secondary creeping proc. also if creeping is ready your foam acts like it has a 10m radius rather normal 3-4m from just the shot

[tight robin]

Oh, right. But if Creeping comes out of cooldown and then someone does a kill, it procs again from the Eclipse spread application, right?

[hexed steppe]

yes

[tawdry flare]

yup

[onyx sage]

no, creeping is only spent when you apply again

[tight robin]

God, that's evil.

[onyx sage]

eclipse does not proc creeping

[hexed steppe]

yes it does

[tawdry flare]

if npc gets killed and enemies get foamed it spreads

[onyx sage]

wait, let me

yeah i had a complete blank moment there, sorry, creeping procs from eclipse

[tawdry flare]

np you should sleep lol

[onyx sage]

frankly i've been playing eclipse with acosta more than creeping nowadays so i have it mixed up

[tawdry flare]

for the oc foam

[onyx sage]

yep

[tawdry flare]

yeah is funny sometimes just how much oc gives you

[hexed steppe]

whats the diameter of oc foam

[tawdry flare]

i am gonna play with oxis

[tawdry flare]

think it is nearly doubled don't recall correctly

[onyx sage]

135% radius compared to t6's 30%

it's massive

[tawdry flare]

4 times lol

[hexed steppe]

so like 8m foam. creeping would give that, perfect more

[onyx sage]

it gives more duration as well, not just radius

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[onyx sage]

not sure of viability in countdown but in legendary it matters

[hexed steppe]

for legs im guessing

[tight robin]

How does Acosta's help with foam, unless you're using foam grenades?

[onyx sage]

jinxed

acosta gives you a free OC when you throw a grenade

[tawdry flare]

yeah have to use grenade first to proc over

[tight robin]

Oh! I see.

[tawdry flare]

free grenade too

every 1 min

also sledgehammer

[onyx sage]

yep, which is synergistic with fire grenade and sledgehammer

[tawdry flare]

oc proc as soon as you throw

so you can foam instantly

after throwing there with sledgehammer debuff on npcs

[onyx sage]

but anyway definitely recommend creeping death for pure CC eclipse builds

[tawdry flare]

acosta is just for niche but powerful burst from oc

[surreal depot]

What about chameleon

[onyx sage]

sorry bighorn is my new best friend

[surreal depot]

How could u

[cerulean smelt]

Chameleon doesn't do much in terms of crowd control though?

[vestal ibex]

Chameleon is good exotic component.

[surreal depot]

It has a passive giving 100% status duration and damage

[cerulean smelt]

CC Eclipse is usually all Skill Cores

so Chameleon turns into an Airsoft firing gun XD

[onyx sage]

chameleon too strong for me

i want more challenge so i benched it

[surreal depot]

Fair

[cerulean smelt]

you thinking about the right gun?
Talent: Adaptive Instincts
Hitting 30 headshots grants 20% critical hit chance and 50% critical hit damage for 45 seconds.

Hitting 60 body shots grants 80% weapon damage for 45 seconds.

Hitting 30 leg shots grants 150% reload speed for 45 seconds.

Optics: +15% Critical Hit Chance
Magazine: +20 Extra Rounds
Underbarrel: +10% Stability
Muzzle: +20% Accuracy
i don't see anything in there that increases or helps status effects?

[surreal depot]

It's a hidden passive

[onyx sage]

scales with player skill

[cerulean smelt]

i'd rather use a Capacitor with eclipse, but that's just me

[hoary atlas]

Does anyone have recommended build for Big Horn

[tawdry flare]

chameleon is the meta exo component farm got 2 yesterday deconstruction on site

[cerulean smelt]

about the only thing i can think of is stacking headshot damage on it XD

otherwise i don't think there's a "Big Horn" build out there specifically?

[tawdry flare]

striker with braced works with it

[cerulean smelt]

oh right, those stability probably pairs well with it

[tight robin]

Is Everlasting Gaze, or Perpetuation in general (say, on a Pistol) worth using on an Eclipse/Creep build?

[tawdry flare]

yeah but most of the times you are fine without it it's not requirement but it is very good buff

[tight robin]

I need to grind Proficiency on it anyway, and it's not a terrible weapon anyway, so why not.

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[lone kelp]

what gearset do u guys recommend more for a dps build with st.elmos? striker or negociators dilemma?

[next parrot]

did exactly this, went for mask, chest, holster and knees of eclipse with hana u gloves and the named backpack for CD. Build works wonders. tyvm @hexed steppe & @bronze hound ]

[feral surge]

Can this be used in raids as well? Need one hazpro and tank all around builds

[vestal ibex]

I'd go with a different haz pro tank for the raids. Cav, foundry, point guard, chill out. Something like that. You'd use it for boss 2, boss 3 diagnostics, and foam ally.

Tanks for boss 4 are different as you don't need haz pro.

[tight robin]

It's normal that, in a build with Fox's and 160%+ crit damage, +9.5% crit on a weapon can do better than +8% DTOC, right?

[timber edge]

is there a better set to just straight up dish out damage than providence defense?

i mostly use guns only and keep coming back to that gear set even if i find other that give more armor etc

lvl 30 wt1 btw, just thinking if i should look forward to something else for crit chance/damage or is that the best its gonna get

[tight robin]

Oh, it's going to get much better. With more sources of crit chance and damage at level 40, and higher attribute values, you'll easily get up to 60% CHC and 150-200% crit damage. And there are also new items that will let you do more powerful loadouts.

E.g., at level 30 you don't have Keener's Watch yet, which can give you +10% CHC and +20% CHD, on top of everything else in the loadout.

[timber edge]

Thanks, is a high gun damage/lower armor build viable late game and on higher difficulties?

[tight robin]

Oh, yes, absolutely. An "all-red" build is often preferred.

[timber edge]

roger that

[pure trench]

The faster you kill them the less the chance they kill you. Depends on the build you using you can put a blue core or two here and there (mostly gear sets like striker) but its not gonna make you a DPS tank. Red/blue hybrids don't work good in Div2 in general. When you have the highest level gear later you can make protection from elites build wich acts like dps tank but only for highest tier enemies

[jaunty moss]

so Im still new to division 2 , so bear with me, is there a way to reroll a talent on the armor just like on weapons in the first game ? For example if I like the item I got but want to reroll the talent into say obliterate is there a way to do that at the crafting station ?

[tight robin]

You do it at the Recalibration Bench.

[jaunty moss]

lovely, thank you

[tight robin]

If you don't have it yet, it comes with the third Campus mission, IIRC. probably around level 15-20.

[jaunty moss]

no I finished the entire story, so all good, the problem is I keep getting told by the thing "you do not have any elements to transfer "

[tight robin]

Oh, duh! My bad, I forgot to mention the Library. What you need to do is find items that have an attribute (Weapon Damage, Skill core, Critical Hit chance, that sort of thing) or talent you don't yet have in the library and then add it to the library, which will destroy the item.

On this screen, there will be green upward-pointing triangles on the categories where you have an item that has a value you can extract to the library.

[jaunty moss]

ok so for now I can extract only attributes

which is weird because I have brand gear items with actual talents in them

[livid horizon]

talents too

[jaunty moss]

also are these extractions cumulative ? For example if a core attribute like critical hit damage for example goes up to 10 % max, if I extract two items with 5 % each does it sum up ?

[livid horizon]

no, its the highest roll only

[tight robin]

Those do extract; are you sure you're looking at the right bit of the UI? If you can do a screen grab of the part that makes you think you can't extract, we may be able to help.

[jaunty moss]

yeah I go to the recal library just like at your picture

and I do see the triangles in green, I open the specific gear category and core attributes and attributes are extractable but nothing under talents

[rich lotus]

Hello, I have a question whether I need to change something or something because I still need to add a coyote mask

[livid horizon]

when you get Coyotes, replace the fenris with Grupo

[tight robin]

Can you post a pic of the item from which you're trying to extract the talent, and the place where it shows you can't extract it? (You probably know already, but Win+Shift+S will let you grab an area of the screen, and you can paste that right here.)

[rich lotus]

chest

or holster

[rich lotus]

🤔🤔

[jaunty moss]

and this is for all gear pieces that have a talent

I can clearly see a talent in the inventory tab on it

but under recal library the only thing I can extract are attributes

[tight robin]

I assume you've scrolled that down. What's the talent you're trying to extract? And it is it on a lv.31-40 item, or a lv.30 (WT 1-5) item? There are two libraries, one for <= 30 and one for >= 31.

[jaunty moss]

meaning with each item under Talents "show extractable Items" is zero

[jaunty moss]

yeah, I've checked all of them, and took into account lvl difference and WT

ill farm some more gear items and let you know how it works out

[tight robin]

Note that at the lower right you should see this.

[jaunty moss]

ok cleared

so only backpacks and chest pieces can have talents ?

[spice rapids]

@livid horizon

[tight robin]

Yes. And only masks, backpacks and chest pieces normally have a mod slot, though if you go and craft improvised gloves, holster or kneepads, you'll get a mod slot there to make up for the lack of a brand bonus. (And there's also a named mask with two mod slots.)

[livid horizon]

Change that mask to a Grupo one, or Coyotes if / when you have it

and get rid of those yellow roles asap

Then you'll most likely not get kicked

[hexed steppe]

Strained or fast hands on the famas as well

[spice rapids]

ok imma see what i can do

[spice rapids]

is core and normal attributes like talents?

as in unlimited use

[livid horizon]

What do you mean?

[spice rapids]

im talking about how talents in attrib library are permanent

just got a godroll punch drunk mask should i use it with thisbuild?

nvm i have grupo

[brisk juniper]

Any adjustments I should make

[livid horizon]

Yes, once you out them in your library you can use them forever

[spice rapids]

nice. ty

[livid horizon]

Depends on personal preference. I personally would add more Red cores and swap out the holster for strikers and use coyotes mask. But you might disagree and that's fine.

[brisk juniper]

I like zapping people.

[livid horizon]

Yea fair enough 👍

[brisk juniper]

😆

[livid horizon]

Try it with hunters fury too.

[brisk juniper]

Oh?

[livid horizon]

Since you're always close

[brisk juniper]

Tru.

[livid horizon]

And you'll get more melee as well as 4 x hunters set bonuses

[tawdry flare]

no it will not cause it only increases weapon dmg not meele iirc

[livid horizon]

I meant he will be in cqc so the opportunity to use melee will be there

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[hoary atlas]

Me : Full Striker red with Ceska Chest + Obliterate but FAMAS replaces with Big Horn

I'm gonna get Striker + Gruppo With Unbreakable and Catharsis

[tight robin]

Burster Firefly Proficient! Wooo! No longer does this ever have to be in my loadout again!
See how satisfying playing for proficiency rather than donating can be? I feel great now that misery is over. :-)

[livid horizon]

No pain no gain

Unless donations 🤣

[tawdry flare]

buster is bad but demolition firefly is op

[tight robin]

In other words, you can get the gain without the pain. Well, I like to think that this experience has made me a better person. (Somehow. Not quite sure how.)

[tawdry flare]

this experience has made you a better division agent

[tight robin]

Right, but I'm trying to figure out exactly how much now much deeper knowledge than most that the Burster Firefly is a useless piece of junk actually makes me a better agent. I'm kinda feeling like I am not particularly ahead of all those shallow people that looked at it, said, "that's a piece of crap" and never used it. :-P

[livid horizon]

Well, you're on par now at least

I keep forgetting to put a random weapon as my secondary to make them proficient

[tight robin]

Naw, I was on par before. I knew it was a piece of crap before I started. Now I just know that I was really, very, definitely right.

[jaunty moss]

a gear attribute critical chance and gear mod critical chance stack together right ?

[livid horizon]

Yep

[urban latch]

If you go to your stats (inventory, then over to the stats tab) you can see what your crit chance is once everything you have is added up. There is a hard crit chance cap at 60%

[jaunty moss]

ooooh right

so thats 60 % cumulative between gear attribute crit chance AND gear mod chance right ?

[vestal ibex]

Yeah, gun attributes, mods, watch level, even talents contribute to it. It's why people will suggest you run 50ish % when wearing coyotes.

[tight robin]

Right. It's all just Critical Hit Chance buff, no matter where it comes from. You also get some from weapon mods, if you use them, and Keener's watch.

[gentle lichen]

Should you maximise your chc or just keep it above 50%? Almost all crit builds i use are like 51%~59%

[vestal ibex]

If you run coyotes mask I'd be fine with 48-52% if you aren't try for whatever gets you closest to 60%

[hexed steppe]

i run it close to 60% with coyotes. also on nego so its vital for damage transfer tho

[gentle lichen]

On coyote's i use it with lady death and it has 59% chc

Another coyote's build is with kingbreaker and it has 54%

[hexed steppe]

usually close anyways with ld

[vestal ibex]

This just really comes down to if you are close or mid buff. Build for whichever you are in more often.

[gentle lichen]

What about a build without coyote's and you're at like 54% chc and have a free slot for either chc or chd

Which would be better

[vestal ibex]

You could go either way and depeneding on how you play would decide which is better.

[gentle lichen]

Almost all crit builds i use are for pvp

[vestal ibex]

WAT?

Any build that does pew pews very fast is crit based.

[hexed steppe]

if no coyote definitely push 60

[livid horizon]

I like being just over 50 chc with Coyotes, rather than just under

[vestal ibex]

Oh missed the line in there about no coyotes. Yeah just push 60% unless coyotes.

[tight robin]

The reason they say go for 50% with Coyote is because it gives you +10% CHC on top of that at 15-25m, and +25% CHC beyond that. And the huge CHD buff at under 15m helps make up for 50% CHC there.
But without that mask, there are two situations.
First, you have talents or other things that proc on crit hits, in which case you want it as close to 60% as you can get without going "too much" over. E.g., 62% wastes 2%, but that's probably better than 56%.
Second, where you're using crit hits just for the extra damage, and not proc'ing anything else from them. There you can live with as low as 45-50% (though not usually recommended!) and typically want 55-60%. For this one, where you have choice just multiply it out. Given a build with 58% CHC and 120% CHD, should you replace a CHC gear mod with CHC? Well, .58 * 120 = 69..6, but .53 * 132 = 67.0, so yeah, you'll do better with +12% CHC instead of +6% CHD there.

[gentle lichen]

So on a setup like this you'd put an extra chc mod instead of a chd?

[tight robin]

TLDR: try to figure out if you're using crits for crit damage, or to proc something else.

[bronze hound]

Why capacitor

Actually why a lot of that

[gentle lichen]

I just wanna test maximising armor dmg

[bronze hound]

Why though

[gentle lichen]

This build is for switching to kard and jamming tier 6

[bronze hound]

The capacitor though

[gentle lichen]

Because it hits quite hard?

[bronze hound]

That's the first time I've ever heard anyone say that

[tawdry flare]

lol

[bronze hound]

And I hope it's the last

[gentle lichen]

Well your hopes are for naught lol

[bronze hound]

There are tons of better weapons to run than capacitor of all things

[hexed steppe]

cap comes with 12% dta. op mentions wanting to max dta

didnt mean to leave the @ on that

[bronze hound]

All you need to do that is a shotgun and CG don't you

[livid horizon]

Honestly, to make more use of the Capacitor, recal those blues to yellow cores

[tight robin]

Yeah. Here's your current average crit damage, and what happens if you add a +6% CHC and take out a +12% CHD:

.5*162 = 81
(.5+.06)*(162-12) = 84

The curve, if you graph it, is highest when both are equal. But it's complicated in some situations by that you don't add and subtract equal amounts of each: you have 6% CHC mods, but 12% CHD mods, so that can shift the curve a bit when you're looking at what goes in one slot. But once you get up above, I dunno, 130% CHD, you should always be at or just short of 60% CHC.

[hexed steppe]

idk, im just guessing thats the reason for cap

[bronze hound]

Mates running weirdest build of all time

[bronze hound]

A drone build in pvp?

[gentle lichen]

Used to have that along with technician

[livid horizon]

Ooooh that's PVP

[bronze hound]

Wtf

[livid horizon]

Forget that then

[bronze hound]

A lot of it makes zero sense

[gentle lichen]

But that's with memento

[bronze hound]

What

[urban latch]

Multiply your options together and see what's higher. That will show you what will average the higher damage. So in this case:
50 x 162
Vs
56 x 150
Vs
60 x 138

But realistically your just better off changing gear around to not need chc mods and lose the ninjabike because it's only hindering you

[bronze hound]

A lot of that build is hindrance

[hazy valve]

champion eevee left eye is twitching lol

[tight robin]

Might be easier for a novice just to focus on the CHC/CHD thing for the moment, though, and not have to deal with a massive slew of critques of the entire build.

[hazy valve]

Hey constructive criticism is the best way to learn lol

[hexed steppe]

i think they have some time in

[gentle lichen]

Jeez I've been screenshotted

[tight robin]

Not if you overload the learner, it isn't.

[gentle lichen]

But seriously if ninjabike's that bad then i can just use 2 pc brazos along with technician and kard

[tawdry flare]

yup

[hexed steppe]

and it probably wont be the last time 🤣

[gentle lichen]

To achieve the same thing i want

[bronze hound]

I think you should redo everything

[tawdry flare]

just put adrenaline rush

[gentle lichen]

That's the idea

[tight robin]

I wouldn't worry about it. Probably some of these guys didn't start recalibrating until they hit level 40; I started doing it at level 15. Everybody goes at their own pace. (Plus, the whole point of difficulty levels in Div2 is so folks who don't want to be arsed with all the intellectual build stuff and just want to shoot things can also have fun and level up.)

[gentle lichen]

I'm joking my guy

I've spoken about builds over here for quite a while

[bronze hound]

SHD 4000 is something else mate

[tight robin]

Is it that bad? It's best you work it out for yourself. Write down everything that Ninjabike is giving you (that's all the extra 2nd and 3rd brand talents), and then compare with what putting something else in there would do for you.

[bronze hound]

Also difficulty isn't that otherwise devs wouldn't bend over to new players complaining about legendary being too difficult

[tawdry flare]

depends on how you are farming you have played for 3X my time yet i am 1.5X your shd

[bronze hound]

Because I don't SHD farm my life away

[tight robin]

Difficulty is that; that certain types of players won't accept that is a separate thing.

[bronze hound]

And actually make use of my time

I also don't exploit*

[tawdry flare]

that's the point me too

[livid horizon]

I dont grind lvls either, i think my average is 1 shd per 30 mins

[tawdry flare]

have you used determined

[hazy valve]

There is an exploit?

[tawdry flare]

Determined built in exploit

[tight robin]

Just imagine what your SHD level would be if you played instead of posting here! Millions! :-P

[gentle lichen]

Assuming i have a double crit with armor brazos how'd this look?

[bronze hound]

no

[tight robin]

I'm one SHD per 48 minutes. Counting only some of the time spent posting here and in the previous forums. :-P

[bronze hound]

used to be like 3-500 per hour

[tight robin]

Yeah. Weirdly, just Determined, not Perfect Determined, which works perfectly. (Except for the name; "Perfectly Determined" would be perfect.)
Basically, the "fake" headshot you get after a real headshot kill procs determined again, so once you get a single headshot, you can then chain body shots as headshots forever.

[hazy valve]

Lol imagine using exploits in this game

[hexed steppe]

you still have to kinda pick your targets even with determined. helmets will eat the buff, robot kills will use HH proc.

[jaunty moss]

got it

Right now Im at 47 % CC, I dunno who I was talking to this morning about the striker + coyote + sombra chest build, but I managed to get the sombar and obliterate on it, so the only thing left is the coyote mask

[gentle lichen]

How does this look now?

[urban latch]

There's no point in that second bravos piece

[gentle lichen]

I wanna use the jammer with kard to jam 6 skill tier

[urban latch]

Fair enough

[gentle lichen]

Last build was a brainstorm of dta skill tiers and ninjabike

But thanks to outside insight i reverted to this

[tight robin]

"Outside insight"? :-P

[gentle lichen]

Uhh opinions?

[tight robin]

Oh,I guess that does make sense, actually. It just sounded amusing.

[gentle lichen]

This does beg a question. Does the emp grenade scale with your skill tiers so they jam according to your skill tier?

Like if you have 2 skill tier can you jam skill tier 5 with emp grenade

[tight robin]

I don't think so (though I could be wrong). EMP grenade is not a skill, so it just does what it does, regardless of your skill tier is my guess.

[tawdry flare]

i think they are independent of skill tier like emp sticky

cause hitting a pvp player with grenade is difficult

[tawdry flare]

shd doesn't existed before wony yet you farmed it you are the dev

[bronze hound]

what

i never said that though

[tawdry flare]

point proved under NDA

[gentle lichen]

It's more for stationary things like hive

[tawdry flare]

also jammer due to the range

[magic pilot]

Not bad tbh

[gentle lichen]

Funny enough the only difference between this and the kingbreaker meta i have is the brazos knees

[flint field]

what percent hazpro to get shock immunity? im sitting at 80 percent rn

[bronze hound]

brb lemme check

[magic pilot]

86

[bronze hound]

Poison - 90.6%
Ensnare - 92.9%
Bleed - 93%
Blind/Deaf - 90.1%
Burn - ~93%
Disorient - 92.9%
Disrupt - 95%
Shock - 84%

[hazy steeple]

for PvE

Blind/Deaf    91
Burn    91.4
Disorient    93.8
Disrupt    95.8
Ensnare    93.8
Poison    89.2
Shock    86
Pulse    100
Napalm (cleaners)    88.9```

[flint field]

guess ill have to sacrifice a headshot mod

[magic pilot]

Pvp?

[flint field]

yessir

[flint wave]

84% vs 86%

[flint field]

Reg Hazpro

[bronze hound]

thats not what the link in the spreadsheet says

[magic pilot]

Nvm

I was gonna say run st elmo and shocker

And just use whatever gun your primary is

[hazy steeple]

That is copied directly from the spreadsheet for PvE.
check the page "attribute info".

[bronze hound]

oh i see

well thats fuckin dumb

[magic pilot]

I'm using punch drunk, providence, Habsburg, contractors, fox and picaros

1.3M armor, unbreakable and vigilance

Sits at 260% hsd but only like 40% hazpro

[tawdry flare]

😂 😂 all red build

[magic pilot]

Noooo

For pvp

[flint field]

using same except a yaal chest instead of habsburg. 2 blues 4 reds

[magic pilot]

I tried Henri with chc/hsd

It works well but idk if it's worth unbreakable

I hit for 1.2m with henri and 900ish without

[flint field]

im sitting at 80 hazpro rn with 277 HSD

[magic pilot]

How wtf🤣

[flint field]

let me log on and confirm

[magic pilot]

Idk about those stats

[flint wave]

tac 50 is crazy

[tawdry flare]

unless running mmr not possible

[flint field]

i run white death to

[tawdry flare]

than possible

[magic pilot]

Probably your WD stats

Regulus is near impossible to do that with 80% hazpro

I was absolutely dominating last night with reg

Those LD players don't understand I can 3 tap them

[flint field]

with Reg 80% hazpro and 200% HSD

[hazy steeple]

Mind sending me the link you found? I'm curious now.

[bronze hound]

in the faq page search hazard and itll bring to a reddit thread explaining hazpro and its thresholds

[hazy steeple]

Oh reddit lol, well that explains it.

[bronze hound]

wait no hubs

https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/fkzvlz/tu8_changes_to_hazard_protection_and_status/

[magic pilot]

Guys probably not even a real dev

Let's see the data to back this info

[tawdry flare]

eevee is a dev 100%

[hazy valve]

how can we confirm ur not a dev, a bit sus... hmm

[bronze hound]

The username

[hazy valve]

im not convinced (yet)

[rare fox]

do weapon talents work when they are holstered, can i activate my offhand talent with my main weapon?

[tawdry raven]

what can i swap the fenris for on this ravenous build?

[hazy steeple]

Nope, has to be held in your hand.

[bronze hound]

Not sure what case that would be relevant in

Aside from kard custom

[hazy steeple]

You could try for a Grupo mask instead and swap the gloves for Contractor's.
DtA isn't half bad.

[rare fox]

in sync talent

[hazy steeple]

Either way, no, has to be in your hand.

[rare fox]

yea i heard you ty

[tawdry raven]

i was thinking that but i think ill lose some crit dmg

[bronze hound]

Talents aren't active unless you are actively using something

[rare fox]

yea thats been established

[hazy steeple]

You aren't losing the Grupo piece, just moving it around to another slot.
if you need a new piece, 1-2 Countdown runs should give you something workable.

[tawdry raven]

yeah but i trade 12% crit dmg for the dmg to armor on the contractors

would a 2nd overlord for 20% accuracy help the ravenous double bullet spread?

[hazy steeple]

I'm confused, the other piece is Fenris, that doesn't give CHD, just AR damage.

[tawdry raven]

yeah but it trades a crit dmg attribute for the dmg to armor

[hazy steeple]

your total pieces would be 3xprovi, 1x grupo, 1x fox's, and 1xcontractors.

[blissful rampart]

drop Fenris, move grupo and get contractors. (would increase your dps

[bronze hound]

^

[hazy steeple]

I hear an echo lol.

[patent fossil]

You should have enough crit chance from the non named pieces and weapon mods that you can run chd on every item including contractors

[tawdry raven]

with contractors i went from 55chc and 205 chd to 59 chc and 190 chd

[bronze hound]

Ok

[hazy steeple]

If you don't, you might need the CHC from the SHD watch.
that 10% is basically the only mandatory thing in there.

[bronze hound]

Some attributes aren't max I presume

[tawdry raven]

i get 50k more dmg with fenris instead of contractors,,,

[bronze hound]

Your attributes aren't max tho

And what are you testing against

[blissful rampart]

with contractors you dont lose CHD, you would have the same but gain DTA on top. the DTA from it takes the place of chc roll but with standard HE build you already have extra chc you can swap and also have more from elmo too.

[tawdry raven]

just realized im not gonna see the dmg to armor on red firing range ope

[hazy steeple]

10 from the Watch, 5 from Rav itself, 10 from provi.
you only need about 30-35 more chc in total after that.

[bronze hound]

Yes you don't see damage to armour on health

[blissful rampart]

oh rav not elmo lol my b

[patent fossil]

Yeah the lack of crit mods on rav might be the issue here

[tawdry raven]

ok i do 917k crit with contractors but i was doing almost 900k crit with fenris and thats to both armor and health

[hazy steeple]

I had to look twice too lol.
Ceska instead of grupo might be the way to go if you still lack chc.

[bronze hound]

Why not Ceska on a rifle build

[tawdry raven]

i def dont need ceska

cuz every piece is chc chd attributes with 3 chd mods

[hazy steeple]

Rav really does have terrible mods.

Magazine: +10% Reload Speed
Muzzle: +10% Stability
Underbarrel: +5% Critical Hit Damage"```

[bronze hound]

It's not designed to be a primary lol

[flint wave]

Meanwhile sweet dreams:

[hazy steeple]

It'd be more useful if you tied a big stick to it and used it as a blunt instrument, than to have 10% extra reload speed.

[flint wave]

💀

[bronze hound]

I still think we need an exotic sawed off with +400% magazine capacity

[flint wave]

same

With a scope that makes it fire its entire clip

[bronze hound]

An 8x yes

Also give it fuck all optimal range

[flint wave]

How do you take a portion of nothing

[blissful rampart]

with Rav you want to go coyotes, 3 prov, fox and contractors (if going PGC) . (assuming you want to main the gun) this gets you to 59 chc + 200 chd with coyotes mid buff.

[bronze hound]

^

[patent fossil]

The difference here isn't quite as big as you think though, increased crit rate in the second option means average is only 0.6% lower than first option, before the dta is accounted for

[tawdry raven]

would only really see the 25 chc on coyotes in a rav playstyle

[bronze hound]

I'm calling kinda cap on that

Ravenous does not have the handling for that

[tawdry raven]

not trying to get that close to an enemy in a all red sacrifice chest build

[flint wave]

Then shield peak

[bronze hound]

Then you're doing no damage

Because a ravenous can't hit from that far accurately

[flint wave]

It's what all red build users do to survive

[bronze hound]

I just run forge on my all red lol

[blissful rampart]

even if you stay at long range, coyotes + contractors combo is stronger then fenris + grupo for Rav build.

[hazy steeple]

^Especially on a rifle build.

[bronze hound]

Hold up

What the fuck does fenris do on rifle build

[flint wave]

It gives you ar damage for your rifle

[blissful rampart]

exactly

[flint wave]

wdym

[tawdry raven]

thats why i was looking for a subsititute, maybe i had it on for the famas

[bronze hound]

Imagine rifle damage impacted bighorn

[hazy steeple]

I assume it's for the famas in the secondary slot.
heads up though: Fenris 10% AR damage isn't actually a full 10%.

[blissful rampart]

^^

[flint wave]

additive damage moment

[blissful rampart]

fenris 10 is about the same as grupo 15 chd for dps (on full red build) BUT with expertise fenris 10 gets worse and grupo edges out.

[hazy steeple]

Sokolov/Fenris/etc being innacurate at first glance trips up so many players. I wish it was explained better.

[hexed steppe]

I dont see long range coyote being good unless running a major chc deficit, seems wasted

[tawdry raven]

i just use grupo cuz it buffs all weapons

[blissful rampart]

using Rav so has lower chc, also fenris mask does nothing for Rav Rifle

[bronze hound]

But rav can't even hit from that far away

[blissful rampart]

coyotes ALSO buffs all weapons and lets you run both fox and contractors which is higher dps

[flint wave]

And ceska

[blissful rampart]

ceska is just a worse coyotes

[flint wave]

unfortunately the providence defense is in the way

[bronze hound]

I'd rather land more than 5% of my shots than use glass cannon tbh

[flint wave]

I mean you can have coyotes and ceska at the same time

[bronze hound]

I'd just say give up on ravenous entirely

[flint wave]

true

[hexed steppe]

I get all that. But your never gonna run a crit build @ 35%chc. If you're already running good chance and playing long range then coyotes is basically a weapon core and 2 attributes

[bronze hound]

You can't play long range with ravenous

[hexed steppe]

Wouldnt improvised be better in that case

[blissful rampart]

dont need to run it at 35 chc..... still being at 50 chc pre buff is better then ceska

[hexed steppe]

Not the point. The statement was even at long range

[hexed steppe]

It's just a wasted piece if not close or mid

[blissful rampart]

not at all

[tawdry raven]

in cover the spread makes it one bullet

[blissful rampart]

if you stay at long range, yes its the same as ceska but with the option to be stronger if you get closer. that overall is stronger then ceska. (and not wasted)

[bronze hound]

What

[blissful rampart]

hu?? cover doesnt effect weapon handling

[bronze hound]

Yeah that's not true

[hazy valve]

uses diamond back for 100% crit all the time got u all beat!

[bronze hound]

actually shooting more than five times every 20 seconds

[flint wave]

I could have sworn there was a spec that did such a thing

[hazy valve]

Oh

[flint wave]

Oh wait that's lmgs

[bronze hound]

Are you thinking steady handed

Or braced

[flint wave]

braced I think but lmgs reticle changes when you are in cover

[bronze hound]

Barely

[bronze hound]

Also shrinks when you fire

[bronze hound]

The cross hair doesn't accurately depict the actual shots

[tawdry raven]

i took a shot at the wall at the end of the range and it was on spot in the wall

one*

[bronze hound]

From that distance yeah

Also can you chain shots that accurately

[hexed steppe]

Looking at the original build again there is no room for coyotes anyways. So non issue. Grupo to mask and contractors added. 3prov and foxes fills rest 🤷‍♂️

[blissful rampart]

lacking lots of crit in that case (cause Rav main), so dps loss

[blissful rampart]

so this ^^

[tawdry raven]

which skill confuses again

[blissful rampart]

banshee pulse

[flint wave]

shield

once it breaks

[blissful rampart]

lol not wrong

[bronze hound]

I'm still going to default to "dont use ravenous"

[hexed steppe]

Or coyote foxes contractor ceska grupo improvised. Hsd from prov isnt doing a ton either .

[tawdry raven]

but its fun

[bronze hound]

Damage isn't

[tawdry raven]

like killing a robo dog with the ravs talent

[flint wave]

it's a shame division 2 gods blessed such weapons with garbage mods

[bronze hound]

Then use another weapon as primary and have that as secondary

[flint wave]

And no dttoc

[bronze hound]

Wdym

[tawdry raven]

EB with dttoc might save it

[flint wave]

nvm rav has dttoc

whatever

[tawdry flare]

also hollow man against bots/chungas/maruder

[hazy valve]

Wait the rav is that shit rifle?

[flint wave]

omw to run hollow man over coyotes mask on stovepipe manhunt

[tawdry flare]

10% dth vs rng dmg with coyotes cause bots like to run

[tawdry raven]

wish theyd revert EB nerf now that we have st elmo and soon the ouroburos

[vestal ibex]

Rav isn't bad exactly, it's situational.

Does explosive damage apply to the Rav?

[flint wave]

Shit now we might have to consider 2pc grupo

idk

[tawdry raven]

does explosive affect the regulus?

[onyx sage]

last discussion i saw around this the answer was no but i haven't verified myself

[vestal ibex]

Reg talent is based on weapon damage.

[tawdry flare]

idts

it applies with striker same as reg maybe dta have an effect on explosion

[blissful rampart]

Neither rav or reg get boosted by explosive damage stat

[hazy valve]

A grenade build sounds fun tbh

[hazy steeple]

Mad Bomber is a super fun talent, highly recommended for that setup.

[vestal ibex]

I like the 3 pc emp, 2 pc grupo, 1 pc china, mortar build explosive build. It's a very active skill build which is what I prefer.

[tawdry flare]

i have pgc 1 wyvern 1 contractor 2 groupo and 1 china

[onyx sage]

look it's a unicorn

[tawdry flare]

🦄

[vestal ibex]

The explosive build is kinda unicorn no matter what version. Grupo yellow, yellow sacrifice, contractor, and foxes all need core rolled.

[tawdry flare]

don't need foxes for explosive

[vestal ibex]

Yeah only works with oxy.

[tawdry flare]

we have a 🦄 🦊 in the server

[tawdry flare]

have that too 2 copies of yellow contractor and foxes

[flint field]

pics or 🧢

I wanna see the full yellow core pgc build

[tawdry flare]

let me

[flint wave]

Wave form or 3rd piece for express?

[flint field]

there is a unicorn in our midst

[flint wave]

my honest reaction🦄

[ocean fox]

what would be some good builds to use for incursions? i wanna start farming for them

[tawdry flare]

we will know when the game mode launches

[flint wave]

5.11 with sleigher

Haz pro Tank galvanize build

[tawdry flare]

that is too meta

[vestal ibex]

Farm all the things. Really it's going to be dps/support/tank. We have no idea about environmental hazards or mechanics yet so if you cover most bases you should be fine.

[tawdry flare]

as always #5.11 build rocks /s

[flint wave]

/serious

[vestal ibex]

I should make a 5.11 6 pc build and use it in pub missions then use the after action report as justification for it being a good build.

[tawdry flare]

sure your performance will be meta /s

[vestal ibex]

Ahhhh yes very meta left clickies.

[livid salmon]

I made a build Using Striker, memento and St Elmos

4 piece Striker one is Chest Piece, Memento, Ceska

Used 4 Blue Core Attributes including Memento

Getting Armor upto 1.6Mil

The builds feels usable for any content

The build Crits upto 660K HS dmg

Great Survivability and Dmg balance

And speacilization is Technician for extra 1 Skill Tier for the Shield skill

Shield health is upto 4.8Mil

[tulip charm]

Just wait and see

[vestal ibex]

I mean that sounds like a hybrid solo heroic build which is fine but I wouldn't count on this being something you'd wanna use in an incursion or raid for that matter. It really depends on the mechanics of the incursion. I bet there will be a little of everything, dps check, mechanics invoving sync timing, hazards you need to build around and stay in for extended periods. Who knows but that build is gonna prep and be good for waves of enemies that might not need too much damage.

[tulip charm]

Yeah

[thin patrol]

i have 1 5.11 build

[tulip charm]

ah yes the build of all time

[flint wave]

Truly the build.

[vestal ibex]

An actual list of builds you should make as prep for the new incursion.

DPS-
Strikers
Nego
MMR
Standard Red
TOTS build maybe? Could be a reson for the rework.
HF HH-suggested by Raucey

Tanks-
100% haz pro
High armor/PFE/Pointguard shield
Cav tank/haz

Support-
FI healer
EP CC/burn

Skill-
Hardwire
HE turret/drone

Anything you guys think would be good to add to a list?

[tight robin]

I have always wanted to use Reassigned, but was never sure what build it would work best in. Now I know! Thank you!

[urban latch]

High end and HF HH and then you've pretty much got everything

[flint wave]

hardwire Caesars guard jammer incase eevees prophecy comes true

[vestal ibex]

Prophecy?

[flint wave]

Prophecy.

Very real prediction

[hexed steppe]

Anything with NBB

[hexed steppe]

It's not a prophecy if she the one developing the new incursion. More like a heads up 😅

[onyx sage]

binoculars

[vestal ibex]

We tryin to focus on other things yo

[onyx sage]

yes exactly 😉

[flint wave]

[tight robin]

I need to get rid of some of my gear. Is Aces & Eights worth using at all, or is it just not as good as a Hotshot or High-End loadout?

[bronze hound]

It can be good with an SVD

But niche

[tight robin]

So if I'm going to have just one sniper loadout, that should probably not be it, then?

[onyx sage]

yep, you would rather have hotshot over a&8 if you had to pick one

[tawdry flare]

3 hotshots 2 hapsburg 1 airaldi is the meta

[glad heart]

Things change, but as things change, things remain the same. I hardly believe that ANY sniper build that does not include Chainkiller is going to be meta. Chainkiller has been the center piece for all sniper builds (grearset and highend) for a very long time, and I don't see that changing

[onyx sage]

chainkiller does not beat another headhunter chest if that chest's brand gives higher weapon damage. so yes it does highly depend. the reason chainkiller is popular is because it's easy to get and walker&harris benefits all weapons. perfect headhunter is not the reason

[tawdry flare]

i am counting chainkiller talent here with any of 3 brand pcs

[glad heart]

Ok, I will go along with that

[tight robin]

Ah, so you mean the Headhunter talent, then.

[glad heart]

Yes, without that you are inda hurt locker HAHA

[onyx sage]

yeah, headhunter can go on the habsburg or the airaldi pieces

it is assumed you would run headhunter so apologies if that wasn't clear

[glad heart]

I have been running aces build for a long time, I have yet to mess with the hotshot build.

[onyx sage]

you can try 4 hotshot first. it is a really nice set with good quality-of-life built in

3 hotshot 2 habsburg 1 airaldi is kind of hard to farm because of habsburg but it is pushing the envelope

[glad heart]

The pinned hotshot build does not include habsburg piece rather chainkiller and foxes... also build should have vigilance along with headhunter

be fairly easy to put together just need the three hotshot pieces

[onyx sage]

yeah chainkiller and fox are rather easy to get so i get why raucey put them

[glad heart]

copy

I see the issue with habsburg also: Armor core, need one with headshot and handling to swap the core....

[surreal depot]

It is the reason tho

Half stack dmg kinda matters

[tawdry flare]

not that much

[onyx sage]

i mean, it's fine, but no stack and full stack matter way more

[tawdry flare]

and you only need 1 or 2 intermediate shot before you are at max

initial is the most important than final than the middle

[surreal depot]

Full stack does not matter

[tawdry flare]

bruh it does with respect to difficulty

if you are one shotting legendary bosses

[surreal depot]

?

Use mafs pls

[tawdry flare]

you want mafs

[onyx sage]

it really does matter because getting to 27m comfortably with white death is hard without tots nowadays

[surreal depot]

How

[tawdry flare]

i can show you i jave both the builds

[surreal depot]

What gets u less than that at full

[tawdry flare]

321 and 3 1 chainkiller 1 airaldi 1gift

we can compare with that we are missing 15% mmr dmg from hapsburg 2pcs

[surreal depot]

And that doesn't hit 27m

U fr

[tawdry flare]

crit only iirc

[surreal depot]

?

[tawdry flare]

only crits go above 27mil amd with expertise 10 white death

give me an hour i will show both build and DMG number in chat

we have determined so not gonna be a problem

[onyx sage]

it is kinda late for me over here so i'll let gogo handle it from here lol

3am isn't math time for me

[tawdry flare]

yeah you better get to sleep good night

[surreal depot]

Tbh I am just bored to shit so

[onyx sage]

you can use the hh sheet i got if you need

[tawdry flare]

i will make a video

live demonstration

even better than spreadsheet

[onyx sage]

but i will say in all honesty, it doesn't matter that much in groups because even a little buff goes a long way to hitting 27m, and you will get buffs if you're setting up for good runs anyway

[tawdry flare]

i will headhunt with chameleon also

[onyx sage]

it does feel like we're just comparing unicorns in our builds

[surreal depot]

My main argument is the half stack increase from chainkiller is too differential and alot of times makes or break whether you one shot that yellow with half after getting an initial stack. Basically whether you lose everything or get to full

While stuff like 10 AWD barely is differential

[onyx sage]

that i get

[tawdry flare]

i will argue the same for first shot if that is the case

if you are using memento hhf

and using regulus a dh chest better than chainkiller

[surreal depot]

Yea but no matter what u use you will not come close to the gap between 125 and 150

[tawdry flare]

i have tried it and is the difference between one hit and 2 hit headshot

on heroic

[surreal depot]

If you don't have every single variation you're playing wrong tbh

[tawdry flare]

i have every variation but i was just giving you example

[surreal depot]

Everything dies in 1 shot in heroic so

No comparison tbh

Same for leg solo and duo

And trio

[tawdry flare]

trio only to some extent

[surreal depot]

You can use the shittiest build and the damage is always overflowing

[tawdry flare]

5.11 ninjabike

[surreal depot]

So in places where it actually matter, that half stack dmg is important as you will rarely 1 tap an elite if they are tanky enough with the initial shot no matter how u build, but having chainkiller almost guarantees a kill with half stack compared to without

[onyx sage]

i can see why, just napkin'd it out a bit, second shot damage chainkiller beats 10% awd brand by around 9%, beats d&h by around 5%

but losing d&h to me is still too big a loss, it still beats walker by 5% for both first shot and max stack shot

personally, my priority is d&h >> chainkiller >>>>> 10% brand

[tawdry flare]

we have 3 shots you can pick increase dmg in one or increase dmg in 2

[surreal depot]

Use the backpack tbh. But tbh for HF chainkiller matters alot less than for snipers

[onyx sage]

yeah that's what i run for HHF reg

[tawdry flare]

me too

dh bag and chainkiller chest

[surreal depot]

I'm mainly saying sniper

[tawdry flare]

or zero f bag and chainkiller for shotgun

but i am talking about if you use memento regulus

[surreal depot]

Also zero f bag

[onyx sage]

do you still run d&h in high end devcat if you use both mmr and reg?

[tawdry flare]

yeah said that lol

[onyx sage]

wait ofc you do right

[tawdry flare]

maybe punch drunk

[surreal depot]

Theres 2 problem with that statement

[onyx sage]

punch drunk

[surreal depot]

Number 1 zero f is a chest

[onyx sage]

they probably just meant badger brand tbh

[surreal depot]

Number 2 if you're running badger quit the game

[onyx sage]

the reason is because you don't need more damage on shotgun? or

[surreal depot]

I rarely use both mmr and reg

[tawdry flare]

teah i forgot zero f is badger tuff meaning badger

[tawdry flare]

raise the cap for one shottig legendary bosses

chainkiller + badger bag with vigilance

4pcs hf

[surreal depot]

That and you're already struggling to reach 150 HSD so raising HSD is pretty much almost the same and has more benefits

[surreal depot]

Same argument here

[onyx sage]

i can see it

you'd rather benefit across your weapons rather than tunnel vision to shotgun which is more powerful than needed

[surreal depot]

And if Achilles is involved even more reason to just go providence

[onyx sage]

what about situations where you fail to one shot the enemy though? like say if you're not armor piercing the 2 zoo bosses and just dumping the m870 on their heads

or does it not matter even then

[surreal depot]

I mean

Did their armor plate ever got nerfed?

[onyx sage]

i haven't run it for a while but i heard nothing so far

[surreal depot]

If not that's like 1.5B which no amount of badger will make a difference

[onyx sage]

yeah

hm, with achilles it makes even more sense to go hsd

[surreal depot]

4 man leggo elites take like

[onyx sage]

i forgot but does achilles amp also multiply with HH bonus?

[surreal depot]

Maximum 3 shots with no stack

Most of the time 2

[onyx sage]

i can deal around 7m no stack iirc

if so that's gonna be 4 shots

[surreal depot]

It's alot more than 7m

If you hit shotgun

To the head

[onyx sage]

oh shotgun

i was referring to white death

yeah i can do 2 shots to the head

[surreal depot]

Honestly

If you don't have access to reds and purples, using purely WD to stack on an elite is a mistake

[onyx sage]

yeah

[surreal depot]

If you learn weapon swapping and how HH stacks transfer from high base dmg weapon to low base dmg initial stack is rarely an issue

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[onyx sage]

i'd say it matters a lot when going from something like 4p a&8 but not so when we're comparing 3 hotshot variants

[surreal depot]

Only time is when 4 man heroic with only elites and ur team is not helping you then maybe yeah

Legendaries I don't think you ever forced to stack on an elite

[tawdry flare]

you can't even with nemisis or tac50 on 4 person scaling

[surreal depot]

That's why rather go for guaranteed half stack kill

[tawdry flare]

it is guaranteed with 321 also

if you know how to use it

[surreal depot]

Wtf is 321 tbh

Me no active here

[onyx sage]

3 hotshot 2 habsburg 1 airaldi

[tawdry flare]

3 hotshots 2 hapsburg 1 airaldi

[onyx sage]

maxing mmr damage basically

[tawdry flare]

yup

[surreal depot]

o

[silver silo]

[onyx sage]

there are 2 cats here

[tawdry flare]

2 cats need 2 dogs

[surreal depot]

I mean

I prefer not having to full charge nemesis or getting fucked by rager directive if using other weapon

[tawdry flare]

ravager 🤢

fucks hh quite a lot when gaining stacks

[onyx sage]

okay i go back to sleep

[surreal depot]

Slepge

Dream of chameleon

It one taps everything

[tawdry flare]

i might hh with chameleon on hard

[surreal depot]

Post wr soon

[tawdry flare]

will you help with foam cc?

[surreal depot]

Chameleon has built in CC

[tawdry flare]

don't have foam /s

[surreal depot]

It applies foam status duration for 30s for every add within 200m

[tawdry flare]

requires 6000 stacks to proc it

[surreal depot]

That's why it's called ADAPTIVE instincts

If you need cc it will adapt

[tawdry flare]

after clearing the mission

[surreal depot]

Just reset tbh

Ez wr

[rich lotus]

Is this Division 2 build good? for PvE Not PVP

[hoary atlas]

Good enough ?

[tawdry flare]

for pvp idts it is good

[hoary atlas]

Is that bad idea ?

[tawdry flare]

bighorn is the problem

[hoary atlas]

Lemme guess replace with Eagle Bearer ?

[silver silo]

bighorn only collection 🤣

[hoary atlas]

Big Horn User be like

[tawdry flare]

that would be better than bighorn

[hoary atlas]

Is there alternative one replace with Eagle bearer

[tawdry flare]

elmos

[hoary atlas]

Fair Enough

[serene sage]

whats the best way to find rogue agents for this ?

is it possible for me to go to nyc and redo the bosses or does it have to be dz or summit

[sturdy blaze]

They can spawn in the open world and in summit

[serene sage]

i have heard the announcer say "rogue agent detected" while running around but never actually found them

[sturdy blaze]

Yeah that does happen but they can spawn

[shut kernel]

Hello everyone ! i need some advice about this build. it has 47.3% CHC and 109.6% CHD.

[serene sage]

ty

[sturdy blaze]

Look for the spreadsheet pinned in this channel for a guide on strikers

[hexed steppe]

You can goto summit. Ascend to checkpoint, if you dont hear rogues detected head back to lobby. Repeat till you hear rogues detected , eventually rng will spawn them 👍

[serene sage]

any diff ?

ive been trying this on hard bc i cant solo rogue agents on any higher xD

[hexed steppe]

I dont think it matters

[serene sage]

ok great

[hexed steppe]

It's just a matter of getting them to spawn is all. Hard should be fine.

[limpid dew]

what items and weapons go well with coyote mask? as well as stats?

[hexed steppe]

Any dps. Ar /smg /rifle if you dont need stacks.
My nego coyote is with elmo but famas/police m4/carbine 7 all good

You really want to be mid or close range, long buff on coyote is kinda crap since coyote is generally on crit builds and crit builds already have enough chc.

[limpid dew]

okii thank you

i just looted Lady Death, would that synergize well with Coyote Mask since i need to be mid/close range?

[glossy scarab]

pairs with hunters fury because yu gotta be within 15m for hunters to work, and lady death doesnt have a whole lot of range. the style is you try to stay on the move and get your kills for the armor on kill from hunters fury to keep you alive

and probably memento would be a good idea if you try that direction

[tight robin]

The only time I've seen them after that was when they replaced the regular enemies at an activity; the activity vanished and instead I had to defeat the rogue agents.