td2-build-advice

[bronze hound]

the drone can work when youre moving at a constant pace

also chem doesnt work when youre not standing still so

[tawdry flare]

it works as long as you are in aoe

[tight robin]

Yeah, but chem gets its work done quicker, so you need not stay still or move slowly for so long.

[hexed steppe]

Also have medkits for full heal .

[bronze hound]

Drone has an AOE like that it's just not explicitly mentioned anywhere

[bronze hound]

I'd argue the amount you're getting healed is beneficially disproportionate

[hexed steppe]

Drone doesnt really have an aoe like chem or mender tho. Its direct application

[tawdry flare]

mender exists for companion

[hexed steppe]

Mender+fixer is my goto a lot of times. It's even better when I run memento with it

[bronze hound]

It does have a small AoE

[hexed steppe]

You wont get anything if you stand right next to the agent its assigned too

[tawdry flare]

heal chem>fixer drone

[blissful rampart]

Fixer has zero aoe, mender ball does though (same exact healing as fixer FYI, just better mods and can aoe)
heal chem does have aoe and heals a littler over twice as fast as either and can save armor kits.

[tawdry flare]

mods are better on chem don't you think

+1 ammo and 7.5 heal is same on both

[blissful rampart]

if you lose half your armor with fixer, you might still armor kit because it heals so slow. but can use heal chem and will save an armor kit.

[hexed steppe]

That chem wont help a whole lot in summit when running no regen directive.

[blissful rampart]

talking fixer mods vs mender ball there.

[blissful rampart]

run heal chem + gunner and helps a ton.

[tawdry flare]

swap weapons lol

[tawdry flare]

also iirc heal once deployed is static

[hexed steppe]

Not if there is nothing to kill and you are really low

[blissful rampart]

theres always something to kill

[tight robin]

Anyway, I think we can summarise it as, the actual healing value is situational, and for my situation, where I believe I'm taking damage I don't need to take, the chem is better for recovering from that.

[hexed steppe]

It's all preference in the end

[blissful rampart]

if in between rooms 1 heal chem gives 200k armor in 5s. vs fixer does that in about 12 sec. how long you want to wait for that heal??

[tawdry flare]

if no one remains ki ll yourself

[blissful rampart]

heal chem is better for recovery and during a fight as well.

[hexed steppe]

Well it's kinda always working not just for 5 seconds here or there

[blissful rampart]

re-read

there are plenty of places you can position were you can get a nice chunk heal from heal chem, like dont need the full 5s. even just a good chunk of it out does fixer easily

[hexed steppe]

No need. I read it. If I'm healing as I take damage it's already working without needing to deploy and stand in 1 spot

[blissful rampart]

dont need to deploy chem, just tap it and drops at feet

[hexed steppe]

You gotta stay there tho right

[blissful rampart]

if in a bad spot fixer wont even save you, heal chem can let you face tank if needed (assuming no GC), or wait till in cover then pop it. still out heals fixer.

[tawdry flare]

what about if you use chem with kard and swal the heal will stay at lvl 1 right?

[blissful rampart]

no the heal is dynamic, so drops back down to tier 0 when you swap back

[vestal ibex]

I know this is probably counter productive but the respawn timer is only like 5 seconds and will full heal you and your armor breaks...

[tawdry flare]

ok

[hexed steppe]

Not discrediting the healing from chem. It's just inconvenient when my other options require no thought

[blissful rampart]

well no respawn timer on heroic , cause its a full reset.

correct fixer requires no thought BUT also does nothing so why even use it?

[tawdry flare]

everything is useless justget 10% aok it will do more at tier 0

[blissful rampart]

^^

[candid night]

where can i see community builds? All I see in spreadsheet is stats

[blissful rampart]

gunner + heal chem though 🤤

[hexed steppe]

Just because its slower doesnt mean it's nothing though.
It's more preference. Cooldown is low. Ease of use. Bump up power with kard core

[blissful rampart]

pinned spreadsheet >hub tab lists the builds.

[tight robin]

That's a fair point. Some people would consider it a problem with my whole loadout, which requires a fair amount of management. On the other hand, I enjoy that management aspect of the game.

[blissful rampart]

Fixer:
will it save you in combat, no
will it save a armor kit if you get chunked, no
can it let you face tank, no
does it heal shield, no.

[hexed steppe]

but then again, im also using fixer and mender together so im always getting heals if needed

[tawdry flare]

yeah feels like slots are low

[tight robin]

What does that mean?

[tawdry flare]

fixer is shit:yes

[blissful rampart]

^^

[tawdry flare]

the 14 slots to save builds

[blissful rampart]

like heal chem + armor kits are more then enough self healing, or if using directives + gunner.

[tight robin]

Sixteen, I am pretty sure, but yeah, that's long been a complaint. I saw a tweet that says it ain't being fixed because they don't have the server storage space to expand it. Obviously there's some, uh, "interesting" stuff going on in the way they're storing stuff on their servers.

[hexed steppe]

i dont use a shield 🍻
its always working so it has given me plenty in combat. if you get knocked that bad armor kit is gonna be used anyways. not face tanking from nothing in a single chem heal, js

[blissful rampart]

both are a nice combo on paper till you realize shield "heals" for far more then both combined through granting that up front health.

[hexed steppe]

again, no shield, ever really

[tight robin]

The armour kit takes a bunch of time out of firing and defending yourself; the chem doesn't.

[tawdry flare]

yeah same with the inventory space 300 is low but better than div1 150

[blissful rampart]

if you get knocked that bad, you can heal chem and save an armor kit. (vs not with fixer)

[hexed steppe]

thats true, but you arent getting a full heal, or in some cases overheal like a kit would (depending on spec)

[tight robin]

I'll (I hope!) have time later to do an amour kit, if I can survive the current moment. At that point maybe I need it, maybe I don't.

The Hive is kind of similar; I can drop it real quick (or may already have it out) and the stagger it delivers is often just enough breathing space for me to knock down whatever's rushing me.

[blissful rampart]

hive is great too, stronger then heal chem iirc too

[patent fossil]

Fixer for me is like armour regen, it's just easy, fire and forget, armour over time

[round zinc]

fixer can also be double tapped for like an instant health pack

wait no i was thinking of the heal chem

[hexed steppe]

🤣

[bronze hound]

Well yeah

[bronze hound]

This

[hexed steppe]

same. i get a bit more healing out of the paired skills fixer+mender than a single chem, but obv its taking 2 skill spots . somewhere around 46k/s combined. mender also jumps around to other team members without tagging

[vestal ibex]

So really ya'll are going on about active vs passive skill types for healing.

[hexed steppe]

ig so 😅

[raw ivy]

dont get them stirred up now

[bronze hound]

Azur was saying chem was the like infinitely better than drone

[blissful rampart]

well yea 2 skills vs 1 but then do heal chem + shield and you have miles more "healing" then fixer + mender ball combined.

[bronze hound]

Sigh

[hexed steppe]

then im slow

[raw ivy]

you had to get them going again lol

[blissful rampart]

correct because of what it can do compared to fixer lol

[tawdry flare]

bruh how about fixer + chem

[hexed steppe]

im good, and prefer how i have it

[blissful rampart]

you do yo 👍

[hexed steppe]

duration , duration. 216 seconds, 250 seconds

if i was gonna swap either it would be to a revive hive

[vestal ibex]

Unless it's legendary or raids I don't even bother with heals and even then it's still situational. Ha

[hexed steppe]

but with cool skills thats kinda shit atm

[tight robin]

You should get healing, shouldn't you? The green circle I get from a skill level 1 chem is at least 5 meters across.

[bronze hound]

Wdym

[patent fossil]

If I'm using fixer I'm probably sat in cover sniping, taking occasional chip damage but no real use for a shield

[hexed steppe]

fixer doesnt drop a heal like that tho. no aoe. mender yes, catharsis yes

[tawdry flare]

use 1 pcs belstone vigilance bag

[bronze hound]

I just don't like getting hit by the stray bullet

[bronze hound]

And sacrifice dps? Lmao

Wait vigilance chest?

[hexed steppe]

perfect perfect vigilance

[patent fossil]

Precisely

[tawdry flare]

bruh it's like +10% wd or +15Hsd

[hexed steppe]

new item y5s3

[bronze hound]

Old pristine example makes a return 🙏

[tight robin]

Oh, I thought he'd said that chem didn't have AoE. My bad.

[bronze hound]

I just use a forge with drone

[tawdry flare]

on a sniper use 1 belstone instead of 1 airaldi it will not matter much

[bronze hound]

Or just use the damned drone? Lmao

[tawdry flare]

you can use 2 skills of your choice cause for legendary as long as you hit 25mil at max cap you are good

[bronze hound]

Or just use the drone

Not like the world is gonna end if you use it like some people think apparently

[tawdry flare]

no emp no down time nothing starting up regen

[bronze hound]

What

[hexed steppe]

im just gonna hire a dedicated fi agent to follow me around, f all the healing skills 🤣

[bronze hound]

Brb buffing fixer drone 💻

[patent fossil]

Great, the devs are on it

[bronze hound]

xD

[onyx sage]

that's me with my clan whenever we carry 3 newbies in legendary. just ask one of them to run FI with chest and my life is easy

[tawdry flare]

might as well fix tots

[onyx sage]

i don't even need the healing. i just needed the buff

[tawdry flare]

me too one eclipse one fi

[bronze hound]

Nah fuck that shit

[tawdry flare]

so i can shoot the damned thing

[tawdry flare]

buff the sleigher?

[bronze hound]

Not yet

[tight robin]

I'd love that. I ground it a bit for Proficency and then put it away for later.

[tawdry flare]

delete my account

[bronze hound]

Nah

[tawdry flare]

printer filaments

[tight robin]

?

[tawdry flare]

donate printer filament

[tight robin]

Oh. I don't do donations; it doesn't feel to me in the spirit of what Proficiency and Expertise should be. ("Hey, look I became proficient at using something that I've never even used!")
That said, I will probably compromise on that view somehwere near the end when I can't get an item or something like that.

[bronze hound]

Youll never hit max expertise ever in that case

Cuz one of the guns simply doesn't exist

[livid horizon]

What's your expertise lvl at the moment?

[tawdry flare]

if you have high shd run wony get priner filaments

[bronze hound]

And one of them is from friend referral and two are seasonal

One is pre order bonus

[tawdry flare]

i have that thing is pretty good

[tight robin]

9.75. That's about a month of play that got me there. And yes, I regularly do WONY re-runs to get mats.

[bronze hound]

And two are from the $20 bonus skins thingy

Capitol defender pack I think it's called

[livid horizon]

What's ur shd watch lvl?

[tight robin]

The "play it" thing is working pretty well so far. It's not fast, but I'm definitely finding new stuff that I like, once I get used to it.
Sadly, the Burster Firefly is not among those. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make that work effectively outside of a very few limited situations.

[tight robin]

2800. Very nice for scoping up mats via WONY reruns.

[tawdry flare]

printer filaments exists for those things

[bronze hound]

But yeah you can't get max expertise

And even less if you don't spend money

You have to donate

[tight robin]

As I said, I will probably compromise when I hit the point that I'm stuck on things I can't get.

[bronze hound]

It's the UMP-45 that's completely impossible to obtain

[tawdry flare]

i am at 23

[bronze hound]

23 here too

[tawdry flare]

and it took me like 3 months

[bronze hound]

Max everything

[tawdry flare]

from 0

[tight robin]

Really? Damn. I've been liking my variants of that. (Currently grinding Police UMP-45, and the Tactical is done.)

[bronze hound]

The regular doesn't exist

[tawdry flare]

enforcer pre order /glitch bonus impossible,stinger friend referral upto you ,ruthless lullaby paid,UMP-45 doesn't exists at lvl40

[tight robin]

Yeah, I reckoned a plain "UMP-45" didn't exist because I've never come across one. I didn't realise it's in the list of things to master, though.

[livid horizon]

I really want to do a new WONY run, I've only ever done 1 because I kept that too afterwards and I have a hardcore character plus 3 others so I don't have any room for more.

But I don't want my hc too to die....

[tight robin]

I don't see the UMP-45 in the Expertise list of 35 SMGs.

[bronze hound]

What are your 3 others used for

[tawdry flare]

it exists in grey variant iirc

[tight robin]

Just kill the character that did the second WONY run. The only problem is to find a place to put all the crap he's probably carrying.

[livid horizon]

I can't, I have 15 builds on that character and a full stash

[tight robin]

Yeah, but if it's not in that list, you can't get levels on it. (You can't get levels on anything that's not gold.) So it shouldn't affect your max expertise anyway. It's not like you can donate for it.

[tawdry flare]

yup you can't

[tawdry flare]

you can donate filament for it

[tight robin]

Yup, the classic problem.
Well, keep playing that hardcore character; you'll have a free slot soon enough. :-)

[tight robin]

Where?

[livid horizon]

She's never died and is shd lvl 140

[tawdry flare]

expertise menu select item you want to donate for press v I think

[tight robin]

Indeed, that is how you donate! But how do you select it from the list when it's not in the list? (I just went through carefully; the only UMP-45s in the list are the Tactical and the Police, both of which I am absoutely positive exist because I have both, and have ground out some Proficiency on both.)

[patent fossil]

It used to be on the list, they removed it a season or two ago rather than make the gun actually drop outside of new boosted characters

[tight robin]

Oh my! So people who donated for Proficiency on it at the time now theoretically can reach a higher expertise level than people who missed that? Or did they remove the Proficiency levels gained from it when they removed it from the list?

[patent fossil]

They removed the proficiency levels gained, I wasted a bunch of resources donating to stuff like that (ruthless & lullaby, hydden gloves too)

There is a card in the known issues Trello board about it but low priority

[urban latch]

Didn't they give a ton of resources back when they did that? Most people came out well ahead

[patent fossil]

Ironically the first things I donated materials to were those I knew I couldn't level by farming

[vestal ibex]

Yeah compensation caches.

[patent fossil]

no, that was regarding the issue where levelling stuff by playing (getting kills) gave twice the proficiency points of levelling by donating, which let people upgrade gear beyond where they should have been able to, then those items were downgraded again so the mats were lost

[urban latch]

I thought it was all in 1 update, did you not get a compensation cache then?

[patent fossil]

Nope, I lost a couple of expertise levels but hadn't actually upgraded my gear so didn't get any compensation

[vestal ibex]

So I hadn't played the game at all during the expertise system but a bunch in year one. When I came back to the game I had one but it was on a random character and not my main.

[patent fossil]

they did give a compensation cache for something else, I think it was maybe when the game was down for a few days because they screwed an update or something?

new season start probably, usually they just give extra weeks of golden bullet after a delay

[vestal ibex]

I know there was 50 exo components in the one I had and several thousands of all the rest in the one I had gotten but seeing as I hadn't played the game in three years I have no idea where or why it came up but when I mentioned it to people they said it was a comp cache.

[tawdry flare]

no me too didn't get anything

[tawdry flare]

should give out such caches every season for nerfing. new things

[thin patrol]

I still have my Expertise compensation cache in the mailbox. have not opened it.

[hexed steppe]

The most recent compensation caches were for initial expertise rollback ( people able to hit 28-30 range because of doubles experience point for proficiency levels)

And another right after for agents that got all expertise wiped from conflict (which the left offline until corrected)

[tawdry raven]

What's the best 3rd attribute for DPS lmgs?

[hexed steppe]

ROF I think is the goto.

[glossy scarab]

could be rof, damage to armor or damage to health. depending on who you're fighting

[flint field]

Will the status effect for this bag increase ridgeways efficiency?

[hexed steppe]

It should. It may not be huge tho

It should improve the damage and length of the bleed

[flint field]

Working on a PvP bleed build, haven’t gotten the Grupo Double Crit/Wicked backpack yet so just slotted Golan in for now. Need to get a Vector with Sadist.

[tight robin]

I reckon it will make bleed induced by Ridgeway's last longer; it won't change how Ridgeways responds to the bleed. But perhaps you'll get slightly more armour repair because you'll have nearby enemies bleeding longer? (If you don't kill them first.)

[vestal ibex]

Well bleed is a pretty poor status effect damage wise, I feel like you'd gain more from other brands like ceska, yaahl, grupo, badger, or something defense wise if you wanted to go that route.

[slate wedge]

whats the best talent for a tac vector in a HF build?

killer? c&p? strained? optimist? fast hands? unwavering?

[hexed steppe]

Strained , fast hands. If running a lot of armor optimist maybe

[slate wedge]

killer not good?

also, isn't the tac vector like the worst full auto weapon to put strained on?

[thin patrol]

the mag is empty before you get a full stack

[slate wedge]

yeah lol

[blissful rampart]

Strained on Vector still beats optimist for dps (though barely) assuming high reds.

[raw ivy]

whats the verdict on a full red 1 ceska 1 grupo improvised gloves/knee/belt with coyotes? woud use the grupo and ceska on chest/backpack for talents

basically wanting to try a full cd/weapon damage build for countdown

saw a 28k shd guy using it today and peaked my curiosity

[magic pilot]

It's ok

Better options out there, decent for PFE

[raw ivy]

pfe?

using strikers atm but would like a little better crit damage without stacking

[onyx sage]

you'd be overstacking crit and lacking in other multipliers that provide more value

like contractor or fox, which is why the meta high end is the way it is

[raw ivy]

is there a non stacking build anyone could send me by chance?

with like meta items so i can start farming, i have contractor ik

[onyx sage]

in the spreadsheet, named standard red dps build

[raw ivy]

oh it was pinned

[onyx sage]

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s588/sh/0d1135cf-139c-394e-53f6-02c1b8b4cea9/2e477c029e8333d52b55d2d99eec4808

[raw ivy]

i have a perfect glass cannon sacrafice chest already and a good ceska bag already at least

[hexed steppe]

it is if it procs. there is a chance you dont get the kill with a crit solo. this chance goes down further if in a group.
if the weapon has a long underbarrel flatline is an option. if you use a drone/turret or something skill that is up a lot you could in sync as well

[raw ivy]

if i have contractors gloves do i still want fox?

[slate wedge]

yes

[slate wedge]

i will use killer for soloplay
and
fast hands for group

[raw ivy]

well if i use both contractors and fox i dont get to use a grupo/ceska. is it still a dps gain?

beacuse itd be all 6 with coyotes

[tawdry raven]

dont need ceska with coyotes

[hexed steppe]

as long as your crit is good you can use both

[raw ivy]

fair enough im basically combining both items into 1, i just didnt know how strong damage to armor was, just started the game

im at 48 shd

[slate wedge]

optimally you would use this

[slate wedge]

get a striker buuld first

[hexed steppe]

if you gotta choose 1 or the other fox's has more value

[raw ivy]

tbf idk what some of those items are. i have striker atm

[tawdry raven]

if the stuff is named in that pic its the sacrifice chest, gift bag which is in dz south pick it up, contracters gloves, and foxes prayer kneedpads, with just a providence holster

[raw ivy]

i have the chest and the gloves, my chest has perfect glass cannon on it

i only have 47 on the currency in dz and idk how to get it quickly

[tawdry raven]

everything but the gift bag is obtainable in countdown

[raw ivy]

that bag is awesome though

[tawdry raven]

just deconstruct everything u pick up in dz

one deconstruct is one dz credit

[hexed steppe]

regular vigilance is same damage, just 1sec different on downtime

[magic pilot]

Yep it's all the named stuff besides holster

[tawdry raven]

u farm bounties?

[raw ivy]

well if anyone wants to help ya boi with dz farming on pc, give me a @ lol. i got 47 credits so far

[magic pilot]

Why lol

[tawdry raven]

ur name lol

[tawdry raven]

if u wanna avoid the dz u can just buy named caches at the countdown vendor

but that leaves u to a ton of rng

[raw ivy]

i just dont know whats best routes for items, i just do random landmarks over and over

i might just try and get one with normal vigilance

[tawdry raven]

theres really only a route for exotic components

[tawdry raven]

yeah the gift bag is more a flex item the 1 sec difference isnt very noticeable

i still picked up the one in dz south this week cuz i wanted a crit build rolled one cuz my first gift bag i rolled for a sniper build

[raw ivy]

ima do that then

i tend not to get shot in countdown atm anyways

[tawdry raven]

countdown gets really easy when u do it enough

[raw ivy]

is countdown best way to get maxed mods? best cd so far was 11

[tawdry raven]

its rare rng but yeah mod target loot you'll eventually get some max rolls

[tawdry raven]

another little tip is you only need 3 max of the same max rolled mod unless you use a gearpiece with several mod slots cuz saving loudouts lets u use the same mods on several different gear pieces on different loudouts

[raw ivy]

ohhh, i know what im farming after the gearset then

[limber field]

Yo, just a question, how long did it take you guys to get to watch level 1000+? bruh I’m at like at 454 but farming executions gets boring af xddd

[tawdry raven]

mix up what ur doing to prevent burn out

since ur doing executions switch to bounties

but most lvls i could get myself to do a day was 100 lvls so its a grind either way

[limber field]

Yea I just need that watch up because I’m missing out on 10% Crit chance because I was an idiot when I first started specking a Year ago

[tawdry raven]

every time u do an execution and pick up a bounty pull up map pull details on the bounty and theres a button that saves the bounty for later and once u save up a bit of bounties start bounty and matchmake and u might get a group thatll run all the bounties with u

u get good xp and like 15k-ish credits so its a good money farm

[magic pilot]

No mostly control points tbh

@raw ivy

[raw ivy]

i need that kinda rng lol

i cant even find those chests most of the time

[magic pilot]

You need this kind of RNG lol

[raw ivy]

been trying to find a raid group to do dh :/

i had it on console and quit right after. want it back lol

[autumn moon]

For an AR DPS build.CC and CD is important.
But what is better if I only have one slot.fenris or walker?

[magic pilot]

Fenris

[raw ivy]

id think fenris

[magic pilot]

But normally there is a better option

[limber field]

For Ar builds do y’all just use crit chance mods and cd attributes or what, because non exotic ars I swear have no fucking crit chance

shooting blanks

[magic pilot]

Yes you want 3 5% chc mods on AR

[glad heart]

My high end build for AR (M4) has NO crit chance mods at all, and does not use coyote's to make up for crit chance. With foxes prayer knees, my chc is at 59%, with grupo knees it is over the 60% cap. An all red DPS build has no problem getting to the Crit chance ckap

[glad heart]

Don't even need those, My M4 runs crit damage mods with grupo knees, with foxes I needed the crit mods on the ar

[magic pilot]

I'd like to see your build lol

[glad heart]

But, I also have a free attribute on my chest that could be rolled to crit chance

[glad heart]

scroll up a couple of weeks worth it is posted in here

not sure I have the screen shots anymore

[glad heart]

Here ya go:

[magic pilot]

Well yea you have no contractors and are shorting yourself chd by not using coyotes

Using chd mods over chc mods on the gun is a dps drop

[glad heart]

Not hardly; I have no use for contractors, very over rated; and I count on reliable damage not maybe damage from coyote's

[stiff orbit]

wait what?

[magic pilot]

Grupo would still be more beneficial than ceska in this case

[stiff orbit]

how do you call something that statistically gives you more dmg over rated?

[glad heart]

Because the statistics are misleading in real game play.... what the numbers say is not what you actually get real time in game; it is RNG

[magic pilot]

What's your awd on build 1

[glad heart]

If using an LMG, and think DTA is better than DTTOOC go for the contractors

[stiff orbit]

😐

[magic pilot]

@glad heart what's awd on the first build?

[stiff orbit]

how do you consider DTA rng?

[glad heart]

TBH, I don't care. what the AWD is. It is not worth my time to figure it out. Does the bad guy die when I shoot him, without reloading? That is my DPS calculations

[magic pilot]

You can just look on your stats page....

[stiff orbit]

and there it goes

[glad heart]

Crit Hits and Crit Damage is rng

[stiff orbit]

the idc they die argument

i’ve seen enough

[magic pilot]

What's the awd🤣

Why is that hard just scroll down on your stats page

[glad heart]

well for one, I would have to be in game to scroll down my stats page; and I am not in game

Everyone gets so involved with this calculation and that calculation. The object of this game is to kill bad guys without dying. To that end, mission accomplished

[magic pilot]

I bet you with contractors on the build and not even active it does more dps

[glad heart]

You know us old men are like that

I have run contractors on both builds; both builds suck with contractors

[stiff orbit]

play how you’d like dude. Stats are brought up in builds, it’s inevitable. But don’t get defense about when someone ask then go on a whole tangent

[glad heart]

No being defensive; hard to convey tone and "emotional" state via typed messages

[stiff orbit]

“hard to convey”

do you dude, not that serious

[glad heart]

You could no hear me laughing as i typed it,

[stiff orbit]

play how you want and how it makes you happy

[magic pilot]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwdgtATGDMbJYAMSXLajiBcECcDZ4oBWADkwvTS2iJjgQDZjLXqAWeYd++KtyjhZRCA-uJw9gsUeLGpJYHrThQIyaIzAh8EufoUGjWREA

Thus without contractors even active will still out dps your first build

Jsut assuming contractors is never up

Ignore PGC I didn't use it for dmg calculations

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DEjoUdvPIXIQ2lBmjjc4FYHiEp2KVCFnfOBjdGAR4E0/edit

3rd and 4th build

I like not using contractors but using chd mods is just straight up not worth it

That's why it does less dps

Assuming contractors is active that build does 18.81% more dps, you could say contractors is up 40% of the time and it's still a 7.52 increase

[stiff orbit]

Omg dude… he’s already dead…

stop shooting

[glossy scarab]

red dps. 200 chd (225% with close range coyotes buff)

[magic pilot]

Your good I got it figured out lol

Rifle?

[glad heart]

I'm not dead just watching the fireworks

[stiff orbit]

oh nvm i’m dyslexic or something, through that said crit chance

[glossy scarab]

nope. the secret is st elmos. and improvised holster

[magic pilot]

Ahh

[blissful rampart]

I had it figured out 3 hours ago, @magic pilot your slipping bud 🤪

[magic pilot]

I'm doing it at work while I'm cooking

[blissful rampart]

Oh shit, wrong person!

[magic pilot]

Lmao I knew it

[blissful rampart]

I meant @magic pilot ^^

[stiff orbit]

hey does anyone know if future perfection gives over charge or you need tier 6 outside of it to get overcharge ?

[blissful rampart]

Hahah the irony, pointing out he's slipping when in fact I am 😂

[magic pilot]

You need to have 3 I believe

[glossy scarab]

you need to start with 3 skill tiers already

[magic pilot]

Then 4th kill will overcharge

[blissful rampart]

Yea need to start with 3y already

[magic pilot]

You like how im using the real dps calc now

[stiff orbit]

oh okay perfect, making a hybrid build and didn’t know if i’d get overcharge

[magic pilot]

I was making this and then I realized I could run coyotes

And still be at 6

[blissful rampart]

Fun fact, it's overcharge is wonky on weapon swap, some skills keep the OC some don't.

[magic pilot]

Ah that sucks

Add that to the spreadsheet on every skill

[blissful rampart]

Still need to add rest of the pts lol but working 12h shifts atm

[limber field]

If that’s the case then where tf is you CH coming from? 6% CH on all of your gear attributes and then call it a day or what?

[magic pilot]

I feel that

[magic pilot]

It's already been solved lol

[magic pilot]

I just need gloves and holster for this build

[glad heart]

Every gear piece has crit chance on it, except for the chest I believe. I would have to go into the game to know for sure

Then there is chance from providence bonus, and ceska bonus as well

Plus the watch

[limber field]

Yea ok,

[magic pilot]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DEjoUdvPIXIQ2lBmjjc4FYHiEp2KVCFnfOBjdGAR4E0/edit

[blissful rampart]

Go dodge city holster, in place of grupo and over coyotes, and run d50 (stay all crit)

You get a pocket Nuke :p

[limber field]

Yea my striker set is stuck with 2 CD attributes instead of ch

Shit rolls

[blissful rampart]

Hu?

[limber field]

Had to mod the main core on most of them

[blissful rampart]

You want CD rolls, use your mods to flex chc tbh

[magic pilot]

True

[limber field]

That only comes out to 18% ch

[blissful rampart]

??

What's the build.

Ceska, watch, gun is already 35%

Oh strikers

[limber field]

For the mods, you have backpack, chest piece, and mask

So 3 items that can be modded

And that’s assuming you have 6% mods

[blissful rampart]

If not running focus striker then,

Ceska, watch, gun mods, 6x2 rolls. = 47% chc, can flex 1 or 2 more mod slots to chc

Also use coyotes

For free 10

[limber field]

Bro no lie coyotes mask is dogshit for solo I swear, like I deadass get more value from momento

Like it could be me but shit

[onyx sage]

it is you tbh

[blissful rampart]

Hu? Except it's not lol

[limber field]

lol

[blissful rampart]

Coyotes still strong for solo, higher dps then Memento

[glad heart]

Note I don't run coyotes haha

[limber field]

True but then you have no regen with striker and you get fucked

[blissful rampart]

Player issue

Also run gunner

[limber field]

Nah bro striker is a build about uptime, if your taking time to play cover your wasting stacks, need to be able to move from kill to kill

[blissful rampart]

Gunner + heal chem is more then enough self healing, then you also have armor kits

[onyx sage]

except if you take a solid position you just need to kill everything that comes your way

[blissful rampart]

Yes and no lol, the fact that it's super strong also helps that fact

Also strikers backpack is a huge chunk of it's dps

Memento + striker is safer way to play it.

But coyotes + striker is much more dps, if you don't need the safety.

[limber field]

I agree, however, I don’t know about y’all but the npcs I fight are on some crack, like deadass I’m not a dogshit player but unless I have quick regen I have to take time between kills with the mask

Shits annoying

[blissful rampart]

Tbh, that's just a player issue

[onyx sage]

if you play it run and gun style then yeah you would need more survivability

[blissful rampart]

Without seeing a vod, could be your not playing smart and just bum rushing the middle of enemies?? Hard to say

[glad heart]

Only time I really have problems is trying to run and gun... zero survivabiality

[onyx sage]

however, there are only a few scenarios and missions where running and gunning will actually net you faster clear times than being more glassy but outputting more. so yeah it is a playstyle issue

[limber field]

no the problem is they don’t die fast enough, hence why I’m trying to find that sweet spot of ch for ars, because my shit only hits like 606crit which ain’t enough for the way I play

[onyx sage]

you can hit 1m+ on elmo or other ARs with a cookie cutter striker obli with coyote

[glad heart]

My average crit hit looks like around 548K, some hits down to 184K, and others up ;to 700 - 800K

that is with elmo

[limber field]

Walk up to them, use shotgun for stacks, then shoot a few bullets with primary, mabye one of them dies

Then I’m dead

[glad heart]

NPCS generally go down before I do

[limber field]

Xddd

[onyx sage]

you can also just stack and kill with AR only, that's the only reliable way for me to get kills in legendary

[limber field]

I have no issue with heartbreaker or fury

[onyx sage]

you can look up some legendary speedruns people do in say DUA for example, ironically those are the best showcases of how a typical coyote striker build would play

[limber field]

Yea I was able to hit solid numbers with that build, works nice in countdown, solo I get fucked sometimes

[onyx sage]

then it's down to you learning how to stay alive better, like better positioning and tactics

[glad heart]

Duck and cover haha

[onyx sage]

some ground rules like pieing the room, picking high cover instead of low cover, using chokepoints, etc.

[limber field]

Yea, need to get some ch rolls on pieces and watch level needs to go up another 500, as much as I like the dmg output of the chameleon it’s a crutch weapon imo if your forced to use it to get decent dmg

[onyx sage]

the chameleon is quite limited in range yes, you need a better weapon to stay at range

[limber field]

Yea I just use it because higher dmg out put, Elmo is better but then I’m stuck at 606crit, unless I have the mask and backpack then it’s like 880 I think

[onyx sage]

is that with chameleon buffs procced or no?

[limber field]

That dmg was on the Elmo

Chameleon dmg is 1.2 I believe

[onyx sage]

oh nvm that's elmo damage, but the chameleon requires time to stack up its buffs

[limber field]

Yea that’s true, but that crit buff you get is nice, but yea it is annoying to activate as well as swapping away from the gun refreshes it which is dumb,

[onyx sage]

that comes down to how viable the chameleon is in the situations you get into is right, sure on paper the chameleon is among top tier when its buffs are up, but the problem is they take 50 years to come up and they require you to land hits, which means you have to be somewhat close.

elmo will be much more comfortable to use if you need to stay at range and/or need some more survivability, and it comes with very good stats and damage to boot

[limber field]

That’s why I’m trying to fix my shit, because that crit buff is a crutch I’m using based off the fact that I can’t make it up in other areas

[glad heart]

Chameleon behaves as an SMG which is what it actually is. It only pretends to be an AR, and is meh at best at that

[strange heath]

so, an armor regen/boost talent question

my Ongoing Directive build is 100% red core, and I am looking to at least get some armor back per kill
would it be better to run Bloodsucker? Or Clutch?

backpack is currently Petrov Defense/ Walker And Harris (bouncing between the two)

[onyx sage]

what specialization are you using?

[strange heath]

gunner

still I have no blue cores on Core Attributes, or secondary attributes, so very much a Glass Cannon

[onyx sage]

then that 10% aok i would argue is enough, but out of the 2 talents you listed, bloodsucker is better

[glossy scarab]

yeah clutch forces you to wait til your armor is low before you can use it. although it can be very good when you do need it like that. but bloodsucker will prevent you from needing the regen armor in the first place

i just hate using bonus armor and not taking advantage of it with intimidate. but then that means i have to do close quarters playstyle

[magic pilot]

I use gunner with banshee and foam or decoy

[vapid hamlet]

I got some chameleons for you to deconstruct @magic pilot

[stiff orbit]

looks like it does a ton of dmg. What’s your avg?

[magic pilot]

It's slightly under standard HE

@blissful rampart how do you compare builds on the dps calc if you are using different weapons?

[hoary atlas]

Use Full striker with ceska + Obliterated and FAMAS + Strained in Iron Horse was bad idea

But Might be worked against Mortar cannon

[fallen comet]

For the last boss i think you can stack up on the train

[hoary atlas]

I did but One of the players was just dumb way to keep an aim at Morozova than the train itself

[fallen comet]

Yeah thats gonna be a wipe

[keen spire]

Does HG brand only roll with blue core?

[livid horizon]

All the gear has a fixed core roll

[tawdry flare]

except for system corruption which has red and blue combo

[hexed steppe]

HG is a real pita to farm

[livid horizon]

It's only 5% more damage so it's not mandatory. Araldi plus chainkiller does the job just as well.

[bronze hound]

Ok mister "I have 5% less damage"

[livid horizon]

Mr 1-shot on 4 player legendary... 😜

[tawdry flare]

lol

[magic pilot]

Still set to each piece

[wicked onyx]

I’m looking for some build advice. I might even wipe my builds across the board

[orchid cloud]

what style?

[patent elm]

Check pinned post more builds than you can ever play

[wicked onyx]

Damn it’s been a while ummm

Mine is aggressive

[bronze hound]

thats vague

[orchid cloud]

im just gonna assume thats DPS u want

[wicked onyx]

Yeah. Sorry I try not to be vague it’s just been a long time so I’m not familiar with stuff like this anymore.

It’s mainly DPS with revive hive and assault turret

I don’t know if you can see all you need with this screenshot but take a look

[bronze hound]

yeah id wipe that build

[forest trail]

+1

and by that i mean farm a better build with it

[wicked onyx]

Figures

Should I just wipe the weapons too or keep?

[wicked onyx]

Gotcha

Where are the farming spots and big stuff these days?

[bronze hound]

countdown and summit

[wicked onyx]

Oh I guess things never changed hah

[raw ivy]

this is how the build has came together so far that was suggested to me yday to try and use other than striker

[onyx sage]

nice

[bronze hound]

youre gonna wanna be careful with gc

for obvious reasons

[raw ivy]

gc?

[onyx sage]

glass cannon

[hexed steppe]

Can always oblit the chest if it's too much incoming damage 👍

[vestal ibex]

It looking gud yo. Just learn to use cover but not the cover system so much, peeking is a much better way of playing the game.

[raw ivy]

sweet ty

[rich lotus]

I need explanation How to build Build DPS best so I could go to the raid

[glossy scarab]

dont use more than 3 providence brand pieces

[rich lotus]

so I have to change what to remove

[rich lotus]

I don't know

[magic pilot]

Change mask or holster to grupo

[glossy scarab]

there already is a grupo

[magic pilot]

Then run fox knees and contractors

I'm getting there lol

[glossy scarab]

oh lol i see what ur goin for

[magic pilot]

Lmao

@rich lotus

Or the JD way with st Elmo is improvised holster and fenris/grupo chest? @glossy scarab

[hazy steeple]

What is that build for?

[rich lotus]

where to find this cage

[glossy scarab]

other options for this #td2-build-advice message

[hazy steeple]

Oh the Standard Red DPS build? That one is quite easy to put together, just follow the guide and substitute with the options listed within.
Although Coyotes may need to be swapped out, depending on how many of them are in the Raid group already, I like to havea Ceska Mask as a backup option.

[bronze hound]

isnt ceska chest the default tho

[rich lotus]

I found it useful to have a group that knows this

[hazy steeple]

Where it is normally doesn't matter, but if you have to swap out Coyotes (since there's already like 5 in your group), then you're going to need that missing crit.

[rich lotus]

because I don't

[bronze hound]

it does if you swap coyotes for ceska and then run 2 ceska lol

[hazy steeple]

My FMJ (old name for this build, you'll see it around still) setup doesn't need the crit with Coyotes on from a Ceska as well, and I assume most people who have it optimised also won't need that extra 10%.

It's been a while since I've used it, but IIRC it's something like Fox/Grupo/3xProv/Coyotes.

[magic pilot]

No you don't

If you have 3 coyotes buff active ceska is the worst option brand wise

[hazy steeple]

That is assuming you have the 3 buffs active at all times, yes.

Although it's still not the worst option, just unnecessary.

[magic pilot]

I would assume that if you have 3 people running it you would have medium and short

[hazy steeple]

It's quite easy in the chaos of a Raid to get out of the 15-25m range.
But if you're that bothered by it, just swap it out for Fenris or something I guess.

[magic pilot]

True

[hazy steeple]

Tardigrade is another option, if you don't really need the DPS boost from your Chest Talent.
No one on the team is going to complain about free armour.

I wouldn't recommend it in basically any other situation though.

[magic pilot]

True

Or dodge city that's what Azur would say

[hazy steeple]

Imperial Dynasty: because you're never going to use it otherwise.

[magic pilot]

Personally I'm a ridgeway fan on fmj

[wicked onyx]

What’s the desired roll for St Elmo’s??

I ran Countdown and saw these guys with Shade levels of like thousands and one of them dropped me their St Elmo’s

[hazy steeple]

dtooc (damage to target out of cover), same as pretty much every other gun out there.

After a point you stop needing the exotic mats yourself and it's just nice to share the luck.

[hazy valve]

System corrupt armor, good or na?

[dull ermine]

Usable to an extent, hard to get, doesn’t do much

[magic pilot]

Good in pvp but it's hard to get the right setup

[rich lotus]

You can drop these contractor's gloves

🤔🤔🤔

?????

[magic pilot]

Wdym

[slate tartan]

Is there like a meta setup for dz?

Seems like every video on YouTube is the ‘best build’ and as a returning playing it’s hard to know what’s actually worth using or not

[onyx sage]

there's a pvp guide in the pinned spreadsheet

[hazy steeple]

Right now the answer seems to just be "use Elmos'".

[slate tartan]

I know, someone else pointed that out to me but like I said it’s hard to know what’s actually worth building or not

[hazy steeple]

All of the builds in the spreadsheet are fine as of the current patch.

[slate tartan]

Elmo’s better than famas with measured?

[hazy steeple]

Youtube builds (sometimes not but mostly do) go for clicks over factual information.

[slate tartan]

That’s the problem I’m having rn

I wish someone could point me towards the best build

[hazy steeple]

Just copy one of the ones in the spreadsheet, but replace a regular AR with Elmo.
I hear HazPro ones are popular right now on account of Elmo, but ymmv.

[dry citrus]

Any builds from this year that are still relevant

[onyx sage]

all the builds in the sheet are relevant

[slate tartan]

Relevant is great but I’m looking for one that performs the best

I appreciate your help though thank u all 🙂

[patent fossil]

focus striker with strained or fast hands famas, at least for single-target damage

regulus headhunter's fury would be a very strong contender too

[slate tartan]

Are striker backpack and chest necessary or is it better to use high ends with obliterate/companion

[hazy steeple]

Heads up, they're asking about DZ builds, at least last I checked.

[patent fossil]

striker backpack is necessary, coyotes & p.focus chest if you really want max damage. Ceska chest with obliterate is almost as good but without the annoying need to stay zoomed in ooh, pvp is a different kettle of fish altogether

no 'one build to rule them all', since there's counters for everything

I'd say maybe start with whatever's easiest to build (eg heartbreaker) and work from there, taking notes from whoever seems to destroy you the easiest

[slate tartan]

😵‍💫😵‍💫

Man

[patent elm]

unless I'm missing some very important point about pvp here, measured is never on any weapon a useful talent

if you really want to play pvp rn then you probably need to run a shock resistance build to not get killed by every idiot with an elmo (which is basically everyone in the dz rn)

[slate tartan]

Idk I saw that famas with measured was really good for pvp because of its rpm but I have an Elmo’s now so I’d probably be better off using that

There’s just too many options I don’t know what combination of gear to use

[patent elm]

do you kill in half a famas mag with less dmg?

[slate tartan]

Brother I don’t even have a famas

I wanna know like what gear and talent combo is best. Obliterate and companion seem like a good combo with 4 piece striker but idek man

[patent elm]

there is no "best" combo pvp is about countering each others builds

there is some standard meta build that works fine ish against most stuff

currently just some good high end brands with shock resistance against elmos i believe

so like foxes contractors unbreakable chest matador backpack 3 other brands probably ceska grupo fenris

ive seen people run the exotic shocker punch holster for the shock res

[slate tartan]

So is coyotes not really used in pvp then? Better to use other set bonuses?

[livid horizon]

You want to run the backpack but the chest is up to you. Glass cannon, obliterate, strikers...

[brittle bloom]

Coyotes is used in pvp

[magic pilot]

Measured is terrible regardless of pvp or not

You would have to effectively have 0 awd for measured to be good

[slate tartan]

This is what I was looking for

[magic pilot]

I have a google doc linked in the pvp section of the spreedsheet

It has more builds of similar styles

[brittle bloom]

Ye you def wanna a shock res build for pvp

Only need 86% for shock res

[magic pilot]

If they don't have skill tiers it's actually a little lower

But yea shoot for 86

[tight robin]

Any thoughts on changes to this, with the caveat that the non-Proficient things are there specifically to grind Proficiency so I don't want to change those. (I don't have a lot of non-Gear Set gear that's not proficient left.) That's Contractor's and Fox's on the gloves and knees, of course.

[magic pilot]

I mean if it's just for proficiency it doesn't really matter

[tight robin]

True. I just thought if there's some obvious improvement I'm missing there, while maintaining the Proficiency generation....

[magic pilot]

I ran random shit just rolled to red cores

It gets hard when pieces don't fit your play style

[tight robin]

Well, part of the point for me is learning new play styles that work with those kinds of pieces. So yeah, hard, but it does get easier.
The only one that's totally defeated me is Burster Firefly; I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make that work. I've even got Defender Drone and Incendiary Turret working ok, but not Burster Firefly, which seems nearly the most useless thing ever.

[brittle bloom]

Bruh I wore the craziest builds in countdown to get proficient can't imagine what people thought if they inspected

Burster for any npc that has a weak point

[tight robin]

So, one thing I'd not anticipated with this is that it's good only solo: the Memento is basically useless in groups because the TTK on this is too long so enemies tend to be killed by someone else before you can finish them off.
Plus that shotgun doesn't work in groups: Heroic 4-player enemies can't be killed fast enough to proc Pummel, and with Ammo Hoarders directive on reloads are a long 4-second nightmare. (Allegedly 4 seconds; it feels a lot longer in combat.)

[onyx sage]

there are better shotguns than the SPAS too, the best ones are m870, six12 and super 90

[tight robin]

No, that's Demolisher Firefly, which I'm fine with. Burster is the one that attaches mines to the enemies and if two mined enemies come close enough to each other the mines explode.

[onyx sage]

m870 pummel being very popular in headhunter builds, can even one shot legendary elites in groups and heroic bosses

[tight robin]

Actually, for Pummel I really like the KSG, with 12 (or 13, in my case, because attribute) rounds of ammo. But I'm Proficient on that one already.

The KSG is 15% less damage per shot than the M870, but vastly larger mag makes up for it, especially when using Pummel. At least for me, where I'm not as good as some at headshots.

[queen bay]

I was trying a build with Lady death and bloody knuckle melee with a striker shield. Sometimes I hit 2m damage, sometimes I only does 400k damage. Is it because I have the shield on when melee or is it the enemies armor?

[strange heath]

probably when you have shield active

[tawdry flare]

the power of m870

[tawdry flare]

usually lady death bloody knucles will deal only 600% meelee dmg you should go claws out it gives 500% meelee dmg like lady death but meeles is not.going to work

[queen bay]

Yea I have that in mind. Still trying to get claws out. I just find it weird cause the damage is so inconsistent when I have the shield on.

[bronze hound]

My Gameboy has better video quality

[tawdry flare]

dev it is an compressed gif

[bronze hound]

Did I ask

[tawdry flare]

you criticized video quality

plz don't ban me💀

[bronze hound]

I can't ban you yet

[tawdry flare]

i still have ss of people playing ghost recon in division 2😂 🤣

[strange heath]

was that a boss in Countdown?

[tawdry flare]

dua legendary final boss

[strange heath]

yikes

[languid idol]

for a rifle build, would I be better off using High end brand bonuses, or is there a gear set that works better for it?

[bronze hound]

High end

[tawdry flare]

can go negotiators

[bronze hound]

That too

[flint wave]

Is the quality that bad?

[tight robin]

Ok, Hard Wired seems a good next Gear Set to work up proficiency on. What skills do I want to use with it that are not striker drone or assault turret?

[flint wave]

Cluster seeker mine

[tight robin]

Yup, I was thinking that one. But hmmm....what's fun for the other one.

Oh, hm; would hive and BTSU gloves work?

[tawdry flare]

yeah stinger btsu

[tight robin]

Great! I need to grind Proficiency on the BTSU gloves, too.

[tawdry flare]

you get like 19s cooldown

[tawdry flare]

btsu and dch are two best exo gear

[tight robin]

"dch" is the Dodge City Gunslinger's holster? I rather like that one, but other folks have pretty strongly disagreed with me.

[tawdry flare]

yeah

[tawdry flare]

cause it's that powerful i can understand i didn't liked it at start but after using it man it is powerful

i am saying just try and see if you don't like it np

[tight robin]

Oh, I've tried it and I do like it. Going "boom" on a chunga with a full stack is great fun. :-)

[tawdry flare]

i use in cd

with my striker dch build

[tawdry flare]

@tight robin

[flint wave]

I can't be asked with that raid exotic

[tight robin]

Hm. What Specialization do I want to use with this Hard Wired build?

[flint wave]

tech

[tawdry flare]

technician or maybe demolition

[tawdry flare]

you making seeker spam right?

[tight robin]

That seems to be where this is heading, yeah. So yeah, demo works better; I don't need the extra skill level.

[tawdry flare]

also use a china light pcs

what are you using for 2nd skill ?

chest talent glass Cannon

with hardwired bag

cause you get 2 amp 1 tsd:toatal skill dmg and gc amp

[tight robin]

Ah, yes, I was just looking through my stash and realising that this is also a good loadout for grinding up a bit of Proficiency on my Strategic Alignment (China Light with Perfect Shock and Awe (StEf -> +20% skill damage/repair for 27s)).

[tawdry flare]

no use hw bag

are you in game?

[tight robin]

Seeker mines and hive. I'm using BTSU gloves, so there's just one slot left for anything non-Hard-Wired.

[tight robin]

I am; same name as here.

[tawdry flare]

ok

[tawdry flare]

no match found 😂

mine is :nerfking6950

[tawdry flare]

can you send me a request it shows no matches found ign:nerfking6950

[tight robin]

Sent. Yeah, not quite the same name; the space is removed.

[tawdry flare]

i tried with hyphen too

[ruby folio]

dad

[tight robin]

Son!

[rich lotus]

I just have to add the coyote mask

a little better now

[rich lotus]

I just have to add the coyote mask

a little better now

[livid horizon]

yep, good going @rich lotus

[hexed steppe]

Yellow sacrifice maybe.

[hexed steppe]

Arty turret high end build a lot stronger. The arty turret is really low cooldown as well ~10-11sec without needing hw.

[honest mesa]

I grinded for that mask for a week or more, and FINALLY got the mask today, after going through the Jefferson mission more than 35 times on Challenging. 😄

[rich lotus]

@honest mesa well then, congratulations

[cyan drift]

build idea for next patch when TOTS gets changed

tardigrade bonus refreshes every time you get a specialization kill, and TOTS incentivizes emptying your supply of it as often as possible, so combine the two and it might work out decently

I dunno what to do for secondary attributes or anything, so I went repair skills and some skill tiers to run either grenade turret or healer drone with technician

[tawdry flare]

repair skills idts

tardigrade fits

go skill tier 6 than with tech

if you wanna repair skills

[cyan drift]

then tardigrade bonus doesn't matter that much

[tawdry flare]

what was the bonus let me see

[cyan drift]

80% of your armor as bonus armor to someone when their armor breaks, for 10 seconds

45 second cooldown, refreshes instantly when getting a kill with a specialization weapon

[tawdry flare]

armor

with galvanize

and tardigrade

with chc chd

[tight robin]

I'm not clear what you mean by that.

[cyan drift]

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/MwBgtATG4Ixn5HWU10BcNxWPZWVC1VMwAOMAVkmUqmKKM3F1kYY-WDlbw-abcwvBAP6JMlAGzIp9MSkwUoBGHAg8ZAdi3t04sfqA

[onyx sage]

sacrifice re-cored to skill tier, preferably with skill damage + skill haste

[tight robin]

Oh, ok. That's an interesting way of doing it. I already use The Sacrafice in my drone/turret skill build, but use the Technician skill core to compensate for the loss of the sixth skill core.

[onyx sage]

yeah, sacrifice is best in slot for skill builds actually, but it's somewhat of a unicorn to farm

[tight robin]

Hmmm. Yeah, haven't needed to farm it yet because I don't actually use it anywhere else, come to think of it. So what's the advantage from the non-Tech-spec you're getting by re-coring Sacrafice to yellow?

[tawdry flare]

sold in cd last week or last 2 last week

[hexed steppe]

Sorry, sacrifice chest with yellow attributes so core can roll yellow. 30%amp . Good on arty/explosive builds

[tight robin]

Yeah, but what's the specialisation you use with that, then?

[tawdry flare]

any

[hexed steppe]

Demo

[onyx sage]

if you use mortar turret then it has to be demo

[tight robin]

Ok, Demo, with arty turret? Now I kinda see....

[hexed steppe]

Should be demo for clusters too

[onyx sage]

yeah

[hazy valve]

Lol looking at the notes, who's making a grenade build 😂

[hexed steppe]

Something like this. It's kinda unicorn piece though but that extra 5% makes a difference

[rare fox]

should i be selling my excess gear or deconstructiing it?

[hazy steeple]

Assuming you have completed WONY and are at Lvl 40, donate the gear to your Expertise first, then decon, then sell.

Recal Library above all those others if it's a max stat.

[rare fox]

How do i donate gear pieces?, I was looking for that yesterday. All i see is donating materials.

too much loot management

[hexed steppe]

in the expertise bench there is a tool tip on the bottom that says donate junk

anything marked junk will donate if it isnt proficient

[strange heath]

never noticed that before. thankls

[rare fox]

thanks

[hexed steppe]

but yeah, like Rivens said, library > expertise> deconstruct in that order to make the most of junk gear

if you do end up donating materials for expertise make sure its to skills you never use, maybe raid exotics you dont have, or some of the rare items you cant really get ahold of. all else is easy to level with item donation or usage

[strange heath]

why is that? and not items/skills/weapons you normally use? or are you saying donate those items you can't/won't really access?

[hexed steppe]

yeah, the items you normally use will get plenty of xp from use. odd stuff you never use will take a really long time. youll end up with some excess materials like protective fabric and reciever components if youre breaking a lot down

[strange heath]

I see. So if your really wanting something, but it is hard to get, get expertise levels on that as a spring board, correct?

[hexed steppe]

also crafting some items will boost the level up. like all 6 improvised pieces, since they never drop. 20 each for weapon and named item to proficient

the things you dont use or cant get easy will just hold back your expertise level as it counts all proficiency levels together to determine how many upgrades you can put on a piece

[strange heath]

I gotcha

[hexed steppe]

exotics could fit that material donation category as well since you never want to donate the actual exotic items. the exo component has value later as higher level upgrades >10 require them

[limber field]

Which talent does more dmg per bullet, obliterate when active, or normal glass cannon?

Still learning all this additive and multiplicative bullshit

[hexed steppe]

always glass. but if oblit is the only source of total weapon damage it top out to the same damage, but has a ramp up

perfect focus beats them both tho 🍻

[hazy valve]

Eagle bearer is good or na?

[magic pilot]

Good in pvp that's about it

[limber field]

You guys got any ARs that could do well with Strained? Lmgs definitely benefit more from it probably but still..

[bronze hound]

Famas

[strange heath]

probably ACR/FAMAS

[bronze hound]

Famas 100%

Famas strained best ar in terms of damage

[limber field]

Ight

[tight robin]

Not while you're waiting for Perfect Focus to ramp up. :-P

[tight robin]

Rifles and pistols benefit more from strained. After that, the lower-RPM full-auto weapons, I reckon.

[bronze hound]

I mean strained FAMAS is the best DPS ar in the game so

[hexed steppe]

no not on ramp up, but it can be maintained for quite a while . not personally a fan but i know a lot use it

[strange heath]

say. what is the max AOK gear mod stat?

[tight robin]

Really? It's 900 RPM, which means that many more rounds gone from your mag by the time Strained ramps up to full value.

[bronze hound]

And without a talent it's still only 1% behind Elmo lmao

[hexed steppe]

not worth on mods/attributes. gunner hunter fury some set bonuses have % based aok

[strange heath]

sounds reasonable

would protect from Elites/CHC/CHD be better?

[bronze hound]

Yes

[hexed steppe]

regen can kinda be used as well since itll constantly gain armor if anything is lost

[hexed steppe]

yes

i use pfe on non dps builds , its helpful on high level stuff but wont help against red/purple enemies

[limber field]

Yea that’s what I was thinking the whole point of strained is to procc before reload

High fire rate is kinda meh on that talent

[bronze hound]

Famas is already 1% behind Elmo in terms of damage

So give it strained and it surpasses immediately

[hexed steppe]

misconception about strained not being good on high rof. its still a gain in damage

[bronze hound]

Yeah there's not really any other damage talents

Except C&P which doesn't count lmao

[tight robin]

I've found regen to work well for me, but I'm a very slow player, so it has a lot of time to work.

[bronze hound]

There's no good ar damage talents that don't require a status effect

[tight robin]

Yeah, but lots of things are a gain in damage. The question is, how much gain?

[bronze hound]

Enough to make it the best damage ar

[hexed steppe]

i dont have the math to back it up. but the guys that dig into these things give it merit even on a vector

[tight robin]

Yeah, I'm not sure I'm buying that. For a start, you have to compete with the +30% from In Sync. (Which multiplies crit damage.)

[bronze hound]

You need skill damage for in sync

[hexed steppe]

well you need a skill constantly proccing, it doesnt have to be damage tho

[bronze hound]

What other skills would do it

[hexed steppe]

easiest with damage ill grant

[bronze hound]

Only way to make it comparable

[hexed steppe]

any skill you deploy not including shield will proc

[strange heath]

I was mainly asking about the gear mods, since I am 100% red core across the board, and have zero extra blue core to boost base armor rating, meanly easily squished in PFE and PFP

[tight robin]

Yeah, that's easy to get with a cheap drone.

[hexed steppe]

im not sure if healing skills will keep proccing tho if they are actively healing. i usually have a drone with it tbf

[bronze hound]

Which steals a skill slot

[tight robin]

What, really? I thought you needed a skill doing damage.

[bronze hound]

I'm fairly sure healing skills dont

[hexed steppe]

for sure when deploy

[bronze hound]

When you deploy them it does yeah

But outside of that it doesn't

[tight robin]

Ok, so pretty much any skill can do it on first use, but the issue is, what skills can you use every 5 s?

[bronze hound]

Nothing

[magic pilot]

They don't

[tight robin]

Yah, often no big deal in an all-red build. And worth it for 30% extra weapon damage.

[bronze hound]

So it's an inconsistent talent and shouldn't be used for dps consideration

[bronze hound]

Lol tell me another good joke

[magic pilot]

It used to be good when it worked with shield

[hazy valve]

How do trees get online?

[bronze hound]

Idk how

[hazy valve]

They log in 😂

[magic pilot]

I was about to say it

[bronze hound]

Lol

[tight robin]

So basically, "I can do more damage this way, but I'm going to listen to theory instead of what actually happens in the game"?

[magic pilot]

That's quite the opposite no?

[bronze hound]

I mean when your talent only works while a skill is active that's not theory lmao

And steals a skill slot

[tight robin]

I've used In Sync in several weapon damage builds, and it's worked pretty darn well.

[magic pilot]

There isn't a reliable way to maintain in sync on an all red build

[bronze hound]

Oh I'm sorry for you

[magic pilot]

Imagine if you had a talent that was more active

Would work even better

[bronze hound]

Unfortunately my all white build also works well so I'm gonna say that's better than your build

[hexed steppe]

yeah not when actively healing but when deployed they proc. definitly more reliable with a striker drone

[bronze hound]

Source I said it so it must be true

[magic pilot]

Yep exactly

[hazy valve]

So question for that skill: as long as a skill is damaging an enemy such as a turret, it will keep refreshing the buff or its only 1 time 5 seconds then it gotta be reapplied?

[tight robin]

Yeah, you generally do need to put in one yellow core to keep the drone alive. It's still worth the 8% weapo damage reduction for that, I find. Or you can just use the Tech. specialisation.

[magic pilot]

My all blue armor regen explosive resistance build I never die with so why would I use a red build

[tight robin]

It keeps refreshing.

[magic pilot]

15% *

[bronze hound]

Lmao one yellow core and still inconsistent because of cooldowns

[magic pilot]

Refreshes

[bronze hound]

And you either lose a hive, shield, or offensive skill (i.e. banshee, riot foam, jammer)

[tight robin]

No. 190% / 215% = about 8% reduction. (Oops. Closer to 9%.)

[magic pilot]

I'm talking about actual core dmg

Is 15%

[hexed steppe]

memento can keep them alive for a long time

[tight robin]

So what? You can talk about something that's not relevant all you like, but it doesn't change that the difference between 5 red cores and 6 red cores is about 8% of the damage of six.

[bronze hound]

Also imagine being handicapped because of a jammer being used against you

Or because going against hunters

[tight robin]

I would have to imagine that, because it's never happened!

[bronze hound]

Huge damage loss if you're running a yellow core lmao

[hexed steppe]

thats where scorpio comes in /s

[bronze hound]

You've never been jammed? No wonder you're giving advice lol

[hazy valve]

Now now guys, we are all friends here lol

[tight robin]

8% is not huge, especially when you're getting a 30% buff.

[bronze hound]

If you're only getting said buff half the time it is

[onyx sage]

a minor price to pay

[bronze hound]

Also your math ain't mathing chief

[tight robin]

I totally agree. Except that, in my fairly extensive experience playing such builds, it's far more than half the time. How much time have you spent playing such a build?

[bronze hound]

What your experience is, doesn't match the majority

Don't give suggestions off of a single anecdotal experience

Especially when the actual ideas behind it are super situational

[tight robin]

Lol. You're the one coming up with anecdotes here.

[bronze hound]

When

[onyx sage]

30% awd from in sync is actually better than strained yes, but forces you to run a skill that synergizes with your play style, which might not always be the case

[bronze hound]

I've not once said "in my experience"

[bronze hound]

And doesn't work when on cooldown or jammed

[tight robin]

"Doesn't match the majority." You supplied no evidence for that, and I think you just made it up.

[bronze hound]

I'm giving proof as to why it's bad and you've not once commented on it lmao

[tight robin]

Yes, exactly the problem. I've done it, you've not, and you think you know more than me about it.

[bronze hound]

Lmao what

[hexed steppe]

i mean, if running in sync anyways could use drone and turret. something always gonna be up

[tight robin]

So far no proof at all, that I can see.

[bronze hound]

See you're stuck in your own ideologies and refusing to accept outwards input

You're refusing to accept a different side of things so no matter what you won't change your mind

Worthless argument

[tight robin]

Yup, you can. though I find that drone alone does ok, if you put in a skill core.

[tight robin]

Lol, that's the pot calling the kettle black.

[hexed steppe]

i dont even use in sync and use them on some builds. this determined wd will probably get swapped to in sync when its finally nerfed tbh

[hazy valve]

I'll be honest, I do get jammed a lot by npcs 😂

[tight robin]

I suppose I could try the build again and see if I can make it not work, but that's not useful because there are plenty of ways of making a build not work. A good experiment would be that you make an honest try at making the build work, and explain why you couldn't and I can, and then maybe we could say it's just something to do with my unique playstyle that it works better than whatever you propose.

[hexed steppe]

also, no jams on a faraday turret

[tight robin]

I've found it not to be all that frequent, myself.

[hexed steppe]

depends on enemy type. bt missions are a lot of dogs and jams

[hazy valve]

I guess it varies, enemies that has the ability to jam aren't really a big threat to me

[bronze hound]

In sync is also quite useless in legendaries cuz the drone will die in seconds if it's under skill tier 3 (then it's 10 seconds)

[hexed steppe]

yeah, definitly agree

[tight robin]

That is true. I wouldn't recommend a drone in Legendary unless you're a skill build.

[bronze hound]

Also countdown

I'd argue raids also

[onyx sage]

yeah and that's also what i keep in mind when i give advice here tbh. i try to give advice that will hold up to legendary lvl difficulty, only going down if they're actually relevant like in leagues

[bronze hound]

Yeah a generic dps build should be able to handle all content no problems

[hazy valve]

Reminds me, gotta work om my hardcore character build

[bronze hound]

Just run a few countdowns and you'll get what you need

[hazy valve]

Was thinking system corruption but people told me it's bad for pve lol

[bronze hound]

Very, plus good luck getting that in hardcore

[hazy valve]

What makes it so bad if u don't mind me asking? Alot of people online recommend building alot of resist for hardcore and such cause how dangerous situations can get

[bronze hound]

Just make a regular dps build with a few blues

[hazy valve]

Lol gotcha

[next parrot]

so with Heartbreaker is wearing the backpack and chest like a necessity or can a chest piece with the pulse perk for dmg ok to run?

[strange heath]

you probably want both chest and backpack

Chest adds an extra 50 stacks of dmg/armor bonus

Backpack boosts armor bonus from 1% to 2%

Combined you get 100% Total damage buff, and 200% total armor buff

Best thing to run, is tech, with pulsing laser, and Flatline weapons for dmg bonus

meanwhile, pure dmg output, zero blue cores. Should I switch some cores over for a bit extra armor, or keep as is?

[next parrot]

that seems like fun but i really want to try an OD skill build for support in countdown

[strange heath]

OD skill, would probably go for fire launcher/ disrupter pulse/Capaciter

[magic pilot]

OD skill won't work well in CD

Health scaling is too high and way too many jammer areas

[bronze hound]

why would you mix od and skill

[strange heath]

OD/skill/Scorpio

[bronze hound]

why the skill

[hexed steppe]

if wanting some sort of skill support for countdown , should try a different status build than od. i use a creeping eclipse cc build that is immune to jams because 100% hazpro. stick them to the ground, debuff heavy stuff with scorpio, debuff stuff also with stage left+survivalist fire nade. team (or at least sub group) gets extra damage to status effective npcs. very effective even tho it lacks big damage like a standard eclipse. its all i use in CD 💯

[strange heath]

oh that is nice

[hexed steppe]

it can even be reconfig for damage by adding ep bag, eletrique glass chest and still maintain 100%hazpro

as long as rolls match anyways

[magic pilot]

You only need like 70% tbh

You get disrupted for like .2s

[hexed steppe]

.2 sec is a long time for a hunter to be free 😈
but realistically, its a few seconds being emp'd even at 80%.

i used to just run it at 80%. full immunity is good for emp foam fire shock, all frequently in cd. turbine floor shock doesnt even slow me down even if i still take the armor damage. i still have high haste , 85%, as well. the only real sacrifice was a few seconds of foam duration which really doesnt matter... stuck npc usually dead before free. its quick to just reapply riot foam for heavier enemies/hunters. its very good, you should try it sometime 💯

[solar venture]

honestly Perfect Creeping death isn't worth the stat loss, I have beeen running running something similar for months

[autumn moon]

Is Sawyer's kneepads and demo spec sufficient enough to counter explosions in pvp?

Cannot be staggered by explosions means all explosions without a cool down?

[solar venture]

although I run Foam/ EMP pulse because Foam locks down the hunters long enough for the Pea brains to shoot it, and EMP to destroy ally skills because no one seems to understand that hunters hack skills

[solar venture]

correct but in the DZ the only time you are really going to face explosions is against mortar builds, and while you will block the stagger effect you'll still recieve the 70% of the skills damage, and the bleed effect attached to the mortar hit. you're better off just watching your enviorment and not getting mortar'd in the first place, I've hit me head over trying to make an explosion resistent build for months at one point, best bet is to dodge the mortars figure out where they are and run full sprint at them, they have no armor cores it will take half a mag to kill them.

[autumn moon]

Kinda hard to run when you get cornered in conflict.
But dz,i get it's more awareness.

[solar venture]

if you're cornered let yourself die, respawn at a different checkpoint and flank them

[next parrot]

i love this thank you. I'll look into making this for sure

[autumn moon]

Have had the game throw me at the same checkpoint and getting bombarded.
But I get your point

[hexed steppe]

That status effect from electrique only gives you 1 second more on foam duration. Not really a game changer .
Perfect creeping is 10m instead of 8 and procs every 10 seconds instead of 15. Totally worth

[sullen sun]

If I equip the Tac Drone with pulse does that stack dmg wise?

[magic pilot]

That's only for overcharge

[hexed steppe]

Also, why cap over scorpio? Non damage skills. Emp @ tier6 is more than enough for destroying skills. Scorpio 20% amp debuff helps the team

[solar venture]

make myself mildly contributing dps, and in 90% of countdown lobbies everyone and their mother whips out scorpio for hunters

[bronze hound]

scanner pulse in countdown?

[solar venture]

Emp to kill enemy (ally) skills

[bronze hound]

isnt that useless in countdown basically

[solar venture]

in an ideal world yes, issue is there are alot of windowlickers in random queues

[hoary atlas]

Guys

What happened if Striker Use Full armor

[fickle light]

you'll do a lot less damage but take a few more bullets

its not reccomended

[hoary atlas]

Planning made PVP

[fickle light]

well thats not strikers, to start

and i'm not the one you wanna ask about pvp, i have no clue

[hoary atlas]

That systems corruption

[fickle light]

i can see that, but you asked "if Striker Use Full Armor"

[hoary atlas]

I'm already got that answer

Might be was bad idea use armor instead attack

[fickle light]

then why did you reply to my answer with something- nevermind

[hoary atlas]

Sorry I was doing Control Points not see the answer

So it's mean striker with armor was bad idea ?

[tawdry flare]

very bad at max 1 or maybe 2 armour core

[hoary atlas]

1 armor core was enough ?

[tawdry flare]

yeah just run gunner spec with preservation better than running 6 armour core

[hoary atlas]

Damn

That I keep died use red core every Striker

[tawdry flare]

2 kill = 20% armour back or 140k armour back wih all red striker

on headshot you get 30%= 210k back

[hoary atlas]

Alright anyway I'm planning made some pvp build

[tawdry flare]

if you want armour run 1 core take your weapon to 15 expertise

[tawdry flare]

i am not the guy for pvp ask @magic pilot

[hoary atlas]

I'm still expertise level 4

I mean pvp/PvE hybrid

[tawdry flare]

that doesn't exists

[hoary atlas]

Definely bad idea

Might be works because I'm found a "The Hunter Build"

@tawdry flare hunter fury is good for Shotgun ?

[tawdry flare]

smg and pistol also

[hoary atlas]

Which smg good for Hunter fury

[tawdry flare]

remember i am talking i. context of pve

[tawdry flare]

mpx vector .45(Dark winter named version) are the top choices

[hoary atlas]

Chatterbox is good for Hunter fury build ?

[tawdry flare]

if you know the spawns yes very powerful

[hoary atlas]

So should use Ceska chest ?

Because I use that for Mission

And free roam

[tawdry flare]

yes if you use it make sure you are not over 60% chc

[hoary atlas]

So 4 Chd 3 chc ?

Because I use coyote mask + Hunter fury

[buoyant perch]

nah, brandset backpack and chest talent are way more powerful than coyote with HF

memento backpack is also a good option

[hoary atlas]

Alright

[hoary atlas]

Uh guys

Famas with flatline is that good for Heartbreaker

[hexed steppe]

no

famas has short rail and cant equip tech laser

carbine 7 or police m4. if you can handle the terrible handling kingbreaker

[hoary atlas]

I mean flatline talent

[hexed steppe]

i get that 💯 . tech class linked laser is what pulses. famas cant equip said laser because the short underbarrel rail doesnt support it. youll be relying on headshots and a pulse skill to make famas work. carbine 7, police m4 strong options on hb along with flatline acs secondary

[hoary atlas]

Ah ok

[slate wedge]

is hunter-killer chest better than a ceska/grupo chest with intimidate?

[hoary atlas]

I dunno

I'm actually use Obliterated

[thin patrol]

MP7

[tawdry flare]

it gives more amp than normal intimidate

[slate wedge]

dark winter, tac vector, vector .45, lady death, (next update ouroboros)

[slate wedge]

ik but is it worth more than the 15% chd

[tawdry flare]

not everyone plays the game your style

[slate wedge]

especially on a buuld with memento

probably not

[tawdry flare]

if you are below crit chance maybe not but i think more than 15% crit dmg at max buff

[slate wedge]

mp7 is fun

[slate wedge]

ok thanks, maybe if i get one eith WD i'll run it on my AdRush HF build

[tawdry flare]

used to be meta now the stacking mechanics makes it difficult to keep 100% bufftime

[livid horizon]

use Memento with Intimidate

[slate wedge]

yeah i do that too but not in countdown

[tawdry flare]

i was saying theoretically also not practically

[livid horizon]

in CD use SMG with Obliterate

[slate wedge]

yeah, obliterate is probably better 90% of the time

[livid horizon]

or HH HF with M870

[tawdry flare]

use sleigher /s

[livid horizon]

Always

[hoary atlas]

This is might be next project try find this in DZ

[slate wedge]

in CD lmao

[livid horizon]

yea, you can still one shot

[hoary atlas]

@tawdry flare might be this is Dumb idea