td2-pvp-discussions

[modern gull]

i have no idea what constitutes as cheaters or not unless it's dead obvious

like this one guy on my team that was teleporting across the map in conflict to instakill people

[golden ermine]

Thats a skill issue. Hes just Him

[modern gull]

true

[amber ice]

We've had many instances of people claim that the use of Exotics are "cheating", so take any claim of cheating with a dead sea's worth of salt.

[modern gull]

no but you don’t understand

the red colored thing must be broken and therefore cheating

[amber ice]

More like; cheating themselves out of a good time.

[inland tusk]

Wdym use of exotics is cheating?

[wet badger]

Yeah they tend to say "you don't take damage" without ever looking at your build or talents

[golden ermine]

Had one a few days ago "How are you doing more damage than me, same build, look at my build look at yours cheater"

[limber cedar]

I get this every time a 1110 HP regen dies by a 2.4M ravenous explosion.

[modern gull]

this is the optimized bighorn hs hazpro build right?

[opaque mulch]

somwon dark zone

[lofty portal]

belstone instead of hunter-killer

but not mandatory

[modern gull]

belstone with intimidate or everyday carrier?

also this isn't matador it's just normal walker harris with the correct stuff

[lofty portal]

depends on the use of the build

[lofty portal]

then go for second golan if you don’t have matador

[modern gull]

@lofty portal something like this?

need to get a better bag eventually but it should be fine

[lofty portal]

yup that’s what i’m vurrently running

[modern gull]

god the optimization in this game is so expensive

[golden ermine]

Intim hits so much harder but everyday carrier def works, up to you

[modern gull]

i have 2 variants

everyday carrier, yaahl, and 3 pc gila

hunter-killer, 1 more golan, and 3 pc gila

[golden ermine]

Yuh, just started grinding my pc acc a lil, im expertise 7, only 23 more to go

[modern gull]

i don't even have all of the tactical assessment blueprints

i only have it for black tusk

[inland tusk]

I use ninja umbra with eagle grasp and 1p breaking point

[inland tusk]

Cap 🧢

[lusty dune]

lf low graphics

[lofty portal]

i can send you in DMs

i don’t think i can send the link here

[lusty dune]

sure plz

[steep scroll]

Dark zone needs to be improved ASAP, it has so much potential.

HOW?

Amplify player count on dark zones,
Add loot worth grinding for so people actually use the dark zone,
Add in-game events such as the ones in division 1 contaminated underground events. (mega bosses (maybe hunter kill squads) players need to group up to be able to defeat etc),
Give great loot rewards and xp to agents for defeating rogue agents and even better rewards to rogue agents when completing high rank manhunts (better rewards for higher manhunt ranks) maybe even add a dz exclusive PvP item that's good.,
Instead of an invaded DZ and 2 non invaded DZ's close 2 DZ's so players are concentrated into one DZ (to upper the player count and have less dead dark zones) | Or stick all dark zones together such as division 1.,
Add ranks that reset each season so people grind the game even if they already have a great build (Give out cosmetics as rewards),

Plz add snow if possible (Optional but cool as hell),

A good dark zone would make the game so much better for all players specially the ones reaching endgame (being endgame where the game lacks the most content)

What do you guys think, do you agree? If you do, lets make some noise so massive hears us out!!

[sterile sundial]

i think one of the improvements is getting rid of the cheaters

[wet badger]

Lots of really good suggestions, too bad they have practically given up on us.

[modern gull]

would it be better to run sharpshooter or technician for sniper setups?

[golden ermine]

Imagine div 3 drops with no darkzone

[wet badger]

-_-

[red arrow]

for division 3 they better work with the devs form Ghost Recon Breakpoint, I want to see the mechanics from that game implemented in div 3

[golden ermine]

Not EVERY mechanic

[wet badger]

I'm not sure I want to die to a 1 shot pistol player hiding under a foot of mud

[golden ermine]

Soft cover would be nice

[wet badger]

Soft aim is better

[red arrow]

is just boring to see your character just running in circle and shooting in front of one dz checkpoint with other players doing the same thing, I want use the terrain more, that's why i want some mechanics from breakpoint implemented in div 3

[golden ermine]

Nah

Better landmarks fs, i use to love bringing people to that one shoestore looking landmark on div 1 to fight

Maybe bookstore

[red arrow]

the landmarks are fine

the dz should be brutal, to give you that feeling of "fear" combined with " you're not supposed to be here" kind of vibe

[golden ermine]

No, landmarks, not the npcs

The locations

Suck

Just trees and fences and tents, nothing interesting

[inland tusk]

I disagree on 1 big dz, because ppl will run ,i am sick n tired of chasing ppl

[golden ermine]

I disagree on you disagreeing

[wet badger]

I agree with you disagreeing

[modern gull]

?

also which m870 do people use with brazen
or does it not matter

[meager swift]

DZ is honestly very boring , let's all camp a door , let's all run the same boring build , lets all respawn when dead, let's have a MH system that proves nothing but one's ego. Honestly the DZ in Div 3 should be either a BR or Extraction shooter mode which is real high risk / high reward and something that is really replayable content

If heartland was so bad they should have parked the project and went back to the drawing board and fixed it up and then ran sessions like what BF6 did with their labs and listened to player feedback to make the game even better, it would have been good strong competition to the upcoming Arc Raiders

[fast geyser]

add loot worth grinding for is crazy because red storm tried that and got burned out by the community

same with anything regarding killing rogues and being on manhunts at this point in the game that only really benefits already active pvp players especially in the DZ where it is just noob stomp central sometimes

doesn't really mix well with telling new players all the best gear is in the dark zone*****
-# you will extremely likely be pubstomped by people who have countless more hours than you with a build that would take you far too long to farm for just to farm whatever it is you're farming for instead

[inland tusk]

Your problem

[fast geyser]

the problem with just make it one big dz is that it would never work for this game both at launch and now

you're either throwing away 3 whole maps entirely or reworking them to god knows what and then you also have to figure out where the hell you would even fit one big dz in dc

[wicked basin]

My only problem with the dz is you constantly got cheaters and dudes that do nothing but grieve everyone. I get its pvp but if you do nothing to but cheat and harass people, no one wants to bother going in there. You report a cheater and they are right back in there within a few mins doing same thing. So yeah its pointless

[tawdry pier]

i think before you start building up you have to realise what kind of foundation you have

and the foundation here is pretty much set in stone so building away from it wouldn't lead anywhere great imo

[modern gull]

just saw them teleporting around and shooting through walls in the dz just now

[amber ice]

@modern gull Rule #12.

[modern gull]

oh, sorry

[livid wind]

does seasonal mods work in dark zone?

[wet badger]

no

[mossy solstice]

If they're gonna fondle dark zone, they need to balance the gear first. TTK is unbelievably too fast (discounting terrible builds). Everything is unbalanced to an ungodly amount. 2m Armor feels like glass cannon still. Cheaters need to be addressed. Cannot go more than 15 minutes in a dz with some players before a cheater shows up and ruins it. If they're gonna change dark zone, they need to add new zones with the DLC expansions of the game. Leave the 3 original DZs, add in 2 from NY and 1 from Brooklyn. We would have 6 total then. Get rid of expertise, EXCEPT invaded. Additionally, add in a longer rogue cooldown timer before the next rogue can be popped. I'm tired of people flagging on my back after just clearing their rogue status. Also, increase the player sizes. Additionally, add in better loot systems and more rewarding loot. Tweak the DZ exotic cache system to allow for the very rare chance at pulling a raid exotic. They did it with Brooklyn caches, why can't they do it for dz? It would incentivise PvE players to take a chance at DZ, as horrible as it is. Therefore possibly creating a bigger community

Lastly, tweak the XP gain from killing rogues as well as surviving as a rogue. Manhunt included. There's no actual reward to it other than "damn we destroyed them". It's all just an ego thing. If you can reward PvE players, reward the pvp players too

I don't think I'm being too unreasonable with my opinions in terms of what I think the pvp playerbase most needs rn 🤔

Would love to hear what others think

[low valve]

I’m onboard with removing Expertise in DZ. IIRC when they added it expertise also applied in Conflict and it was super unbalanced until they removed it from there. Taking it out of PvP altogether is fine by me.

[modern gull]

this is the current HE ar build i have currently, i don't have a chc chd matador to roll for blue core yet
is 5 blues fine for now? or would replacing the matador with a blue chc chd walker bag with normal ad rush be good in the meantime?

[slow mason]

i think some things are better off testing yourself in range/in game to see what you like and prefer

Plus matador bonuses are small compared to how hard it is to get a good one

[modern gull]

i guess in the meantime it could be good to just use a normal walker harris bag with ad rush

i have one of them with a blue core and chc chd

pretty lucky all things considered

[golden ermine]

Nah, You did NOT just rec a longer rogue cooldown

They need to just remove the rogue cooldown timer, it shouldnt exist. It does nothing except irritate pvpers :/

[amber ice]

I think the general opinion is going to be "why are you talking like you're trying to sell us snake oil?".

[novel mirage]

Does that mean cheaters and glitches can be defeated using PS?

[amber ice]

If you throw a playstation at people, it does tend to stop them from playing the game, it'e true.

It's somewhat less effective when you're playing online though.

[novel mirage]

If you see a cheater or a glitch, why not report them and have fun winning?

[inland tusk]

How do you know a cheater is a cheater on ps5?

[novel mirage]

Sorry for disturbing your mood. I just want to defeat cheaters and glitches, not encourage them.

[novel mirage]

I've only encountered cheaters once, and they were clearly cheating. They were using a Marksman as a shotgun and firing rapidly.

[inland tusk]

Lagswitch or bad server spike 💀

[amber ice]

Wait, like it was firing in a wide arc with each trigger pull, or it had low effective range?

If you meant it was fast firing: non-MMR rifles are mostly full-auto now, so it's an easy mistake to make.

[novel mirage]

I didn't know that overseas Discord communities were so sensitive about cheaters. I'm sorry for creating an unpleasant atmosphere.

[novel mirage]

It had the same range as a rifle, and although I had three Blue Core traits, it took three shots to kill me, and its rate of fire was about the same as an ACS shotgun.

Looking at my opponent's equipment, I saw that he had six blue core traits.

[meager swift]

I've seen people using a nemesis like an AR in the DZ

[novel mirage]

I want you to understand that I only want to defeat them, not help them.

[amber ice]

@novel mirage Tone down the weird way you're talking, no one likes cheaters.

[novel mirage]

sorry

[amber ice]

Rule 12.

[wet badger]

was he right? or just coping?

[meager swift]

just blame it on the cope , its easier lol

[modern gull]

see people use chatterbox now and shredding

how's this?

[vague idol]

omg - with the lag switching in DZ already - it's so much better when you actually WIN the right way.

[golden ermine]

omg becky

[calm plinth]

chatterbox is good

your build not so much

use coyote 4 blues

another variation is matador and solkov chest for server fights

[calm plinth]

hey bro, when will you join tournament?

[modern gull]

why coyote?

dropped the build above for this instead

[mossy solstice]

I did because it's a bit obnoxious that a rogue can clear their status, I walk around the corner and dude instantly re-flags. Or when I'm coming from a landmark without full armor and dude clears his status. Only to instantly reflag right afterwards and grief my loot. I'm not saying a big timer, but a decent timer. Give or take a 10 second timer to prevent griefing. Now, in Invaded dark zones, that timer should be removed

As for saying "it annoys the pvpers"... Well, isn't that what upkeeping a rogue status is for? Only way to really uphold it is to hack terminals/steal crates or continuously trading shots in combat. Or hold manhunt. Which let's be honest, sparse combat in DZ is to be expected. But majority of the time it's a server fight

I'm only talking in terms of sparse combat, that's all

I know what you mean tho when you say it would be annoying for pvp'ers, I can see your point. Waiting to reflag would disrupt the flow of pvp. definitely not wrong on that

[calm plinth]

damage

you’re getting the 25% chd buff constantly at least you should be cause you’re using a smg

[modern gull]

true

[modern gull]

what about something like this

i know crypt was using it in one of his later vids

i just don’t know if this is it or if i should go for something else

[calm plinth]

i’m pretty sure crypt pre farms max memento stacks so if you’re willing to do that everytime you’re in dz sure

[modern gull]

gotcha

there's also this high end crit build i've been trying to work on for a while, still trying to get a matador and grupo with blue core but this is what i have currently

yet i feel like i do no damage with this even with the 2 reds, why is that

[meager swift]

You will get wrecked by bighorn rejen builds

[modern gull]

i can imagine yeah

[modern gull]

decided to go for this instead with both contractor's and fox's

[lofty portal]

that’s decent

however bighorn regen

normal crit builds get obliterated by both regen builds and umbra builds

[modern gull]

i suspected

[modern gull]

something like this?

[wet badger]

I don't do that, but if there's some NPCs floating around I'll take advantage

[copper pewter]

Where's the lfg channel

[golden ermine]

Scroll down

[amber ice]

@copper pewter #lfg-xbox if you want to play on xbox, and #lfg-playstation for you can guess.

[copper pewter]

I'm not on xbox

Well technically I am

But not at the moment

[amber ice]

Make sure you update your roles over in id:customize then.

[wet badger]

If you press CTRL + SHIFT + S

You can snip just the area around the build, no need to see everything to the left

[mossy solstice]

You'd be better of choosing to play distance instead of close range with this build. Ad Rush isn't enough to save you without Regen, and catharsis is only good if you're taking a ton of bullets and able to keep your health up. Which, let's be real, is only viable with a Regen build.

On that kind of set up I would ditch at least one of those blues, if not 2 of them, and run unbreakable + Vigi. And then play for distance. Centurion's Scabbard holster would be a good slot on the build. Ditch walker for ceska and ditch those ceska knees for Fox's. Then swap Fenris to centurions and change the mask to Fenris

4 reds 2 blues will work perfect for DZ/Conflict, assuming you're in a team (it's division, a team and build based game). 3 red 3 blues will be just fine

If you're solo, in dz at least, I don't recommend this setup at all and would rather say just take striker when doing landmarks. If you're doing pvp server fighting then this might work, just swap some talents and gear

[wet badger]

yeah this is like a variant of the console meta 1v1 build, its also a dead build for server on any platform now, bighorn regen just took over, the same way umbra took over spotter builds and capacitor hybrid took over UB/Vig

[mossy solstice]

How would this hold up in a group setting? Like conflict/DZ?

Trying to come up with different builds to try to keep myself busy. On paper it looks like it can heal while doing some damage... But would it help a group that much? Seen some variants floating around that look a bit like this but they're mainly headshot variants with MMR/Regulus

[wet badger]

Healers without FI are kinda useless, you can get away with it if u use Safeguard but even then..

[mossy solstice]

Makes sense. I run mine typically with FI. My high end version is for tankiness, 1.6m armor and has unbreakable. Trying to get back into the "healer" role because Bighorn and Umbra is so boring to play after a while. But don't wanna let go of DPS at the same time

I'll put it together anyways since I have 90% of the pieces on hand already. Will report back if it's even worth considering

[modern gull]

ended up with this ig

also what specialization should i go for with shield regulus

sharpshooter ig?

[mossy solstice]

Firewall

[modern gull]

oh keep firewall

kk

[mossy solstice]

Ditch catharsis. Swap holster for centurions. Replace mask with fenris

[golden ermine]

Spec is almost always firewall and surv. Tech on hybrid builds

[modern gull]

i use sharpshooter for my nemesis setup

thought it could be the same for regulus because of how you play it

[golden ermine]

Sometimes sharp for snipers

[lofty portal]

what talent should i use for my Negev as a backup weapon on my umbra versatile build?

[modern gull]

fully optimized my nemesis which is nice

[golden ermine]

I use sharp on my console grah 1v build cuz that one buff helps ads speed I think?

[golden ermine]

Nemesis is nice no matter what

[mossy solstice]

Rip mantis

[golden ermine]

Ngl id use mantis on a build specd for snipers

[modern gull]

really i'm asking about specializations for regulus because firewall i have with the ar lmgs and smgs wiith 15

feel like i'm not doing as much damage with regulus as much as i'd want to

[mossy solstice]

Ditch SMG. Swap to pistol

SMG isn't in a good spot for pvp rn

[modern gull]

i guess so yeah

except for like chatterbox or something

[mossy solstice]

Hasn't been since Ouro nerf

And only in server fights is chatterbox good

[modern gull]

ye

here's what i'm using for shield regulus

[mossy solstice]

Not a bad setup

[modern gull]

the armor rolls for the holster and gloves are really low and the damage toll for the backpack also pretty low

i did get the proper tactical assessments to optimize gloves and holsters i just need to actually farm for materials

[undone umbra]

6 blue cores

[modern gull]

i want to get 6 ofc but that requries 2 unicorn rolls

😭

[lofty portal]

can someone help?

[amber ice]

Well it's versatile, so you have a lot of choices!

[lofty portal]

Thanks ;)

i tried frenzy but that was kinda counteractive

Optimist is pretty meh aswell, idk if measured is gonna be good

[modern gull]

doubt this matador is any good

[lofty portal]

yup, worthless

[modern gull]

rip

was genuinely excited seeing the blue and red attribute

[calm plinth]

and reg is? 😂

dz south stairs smg is very strong

[mossy solstice]

Reg and bulwark is considerably more useful at dropping a Regen build VS taking an SMG

But you are right. SMGs (chatterbox I'm looking at you ...) at DZ south stairs is hard to counter besides choosing not to fight and feed stacks

Also what I meant towards pyramid was swap the SMG damage bonus from his specialist to pistol to give Reg more damage since that's what they wanted

[modern gull]

is heartbreaker useful for anything now or has it just fallen off

[mossy solstice]

Honestly, it sorta still works against a bighorn 1v1. That's really all it's used for

[modern gull]

catharsis, 4 pc hb with chest and bp, and like fenris or something

that work?

could go yaahl instead of fenris if i want more hazpro but 60 should be more than enough for heartbreaker

[golden ermine]

Its really good if you play well but really ez to counter

[modern gull]

with 3 pc yaahl and a pulse resist mod ye

[golden ermine]

I usually used system to counter it but ye

[modern gull]

oh what does system do

[golden ermine]

I run the emp sticky for ez stacks also, stagger them into the acs12

[modern gull]

sticky or foam works yeah

[golden ermine]

Pulse res, free kit, its kinda fallen off now

[modern gull]

especially with the skill tier

[golden ermine]

I dislike foam in general and prefer the versatility of sticky

[modern gull]

same

foam i only use on capacitor umbra because of the 6 skill tiers because i’m evil

other than that emp sticky has been my go to offense skill

[mossy solstice]

I still use Sys Corr to counter Heartbreaker. Casual pvp'ers get so mad and I laugh every time 😂

[golden ermine]

Issue is i just got foamed last time i tried that and bh still kills fast ;(. I need to make 3p yaahl , pulse res mod, and haz pro everywhere

[mossy solstice]

Bighorn needs either more stacks or it needs a slight nerf. I think a sweet spot is 4.5% damage per stack. If no damage nerf, then stack nerf it requiring more stacks to reach the output we have now

[golden ermine]

It is bugged and doesnt lose stacks half the time

[mossy solstice]

I noticed that when I was running a striker version. I was melting people quickly and was confused bc I should've lost stacks. Nope!

[golden ermine]

I think it should lose stacks on miss. Give it the div 1 striker treatment

[mossy solstice]

For pvp, I'd actually advocate for that

Wish they would buff my sys Corr 😞

Bring back true patriot PLEASEEEE

[modern gull]

i need to optimize my striker bighorn setup

even with the proper rolls it's still at like 53 hazpro because crafting rolls suck

i did get the tactical assessment blueprints for true sons, cleaners, and rikers along with the black tusk, so i do have more blueprints to use it's just farming the materials that's the hard part

[modern gull]

speaking of 100 pulse resistance how's something like this for an alternate capacitor umbra setup

[slow mason]

thats fine

[modern gull]

still need to work on striker bighorn

[lofty portal]

if you go pulse res try a determiend sniper build

[copper pewter]

So like what's the sudden change with everyone using bighorn

[inland tusk]

This build is very popular on console

[mossy solstice]

It's now 6% headshot damage per stack and the mods on the gun got buffed too. Same with mag size

[copper pewter]

Bruh

[mossy solstice]

Regen is already good as it is and with expertise now 30, adding expertise onto Regen builds makes the build Regen even more

And with bighorn being buffed to oblivion, it's now a very strong meta. That's just due to the fact everything decent now kills insanely fast so Regen is nearly mandatory now

There's easy counters to those builds, one of them being a shotgun build. The others is explosives/stagger and DPS

[strong tiger]

na that can be good, change crit chance to headshot and use on a bighorn build

[mossy solstice]

Would be better off using a normal brand backpack (Gila, or Golan) with ad rush so you're not losing out on other brand bonuses. Best optimal setup would be catharsis, emp guard knees, 3 piece Gila, everyday chest. Alt setup is 3p golan

Matador would only be worth it for blue core with Regen/HSD. For crits, slots best as a blue core and double crit

[strong tiger]

yeah of course, but it is still a usable backpack as allot people like to run hunter killer chest with matador for the pefect talents. I dont bother with them but i see allot of people running it

[severe agate]

I’ve got a bud that runs true patriot tar in conflict

Is this viable for conflict?

[golden ermine]

Anything is viable for conflict, those players are terrible

[golden ermine]

But no ngl

[mossy solstice]

i wouldnt run that build with overlord tbh. i have one that works i can slide it

[lofty portal]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/qby5Ehei

try this sniper build ;)

[modern gull]

need to get it first lol

the yaahl pieces will be rough

[lofty portal]

yup, this was the 2nd hardest build to farm

hardest is 6 blue regulus hazprot hut only because the backpack won’t drop for me

[modern gull]

yeah i can imagine

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/4DgzLfdg

this is what i'm running currently for sniper

[lofty portal]

use technician with this and use another talent on lexington

i have a similar build with shield splinterer

[modern gull]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/iorhU7p7

changed measured for flatline because of the technician laser pointer

this should still one shot no?

or should i roll for another red core?

[lofty portal]

gotta test that yourself in DZ

this is my crit nemesis build lol

[modern gull]

if that one shots then i imagine mine will as well

at least i'd hope

[lofty portal]

haven’t played mine in a long time tbh

[modern gull]

i think mine should definitely one shot
7.1 crit body shot and 8.5 million with spotter

not even headshots and crit body shots should still oneshot

ofc headshots will one hit regardless

[calm plinth]

if you’re close to someone it can beat most builds

but falls off super bad if you aren’t in their face

i think it has a solid niche (striker can do it too tho) of running it with memento when landmark farming and you can just slap anyone that tries to flag on you

[modern gull]

yeah that much is obvious, hb is sort of made for face tanking

[modern gull]

yeah that's what i have striker eb memento with obliterate for

still waiting for it to be targeted loot walker harris for that reason

[modern gull]

do people still use companion anymore?

and if so do they run it on the bag, the henri chest, or go double companion?

[lofty portal]

usually with both

[modern gull]

what would be the build?

[lofty portal]

idk, just quickly thought of this one

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/8IS7ATVc

[mossy solstice]

lines up well to my experience. heartbreaker stacks takes less time to fall off than striker does

[odd flower]

@vocal shore this is what I run with chatterbox

[vocal shore]

Ty boss

[odd flower]

this is for solo i swap chest to obliterate when i run in a group of 3 or 4

[vocal shore]

Oh nice I got both

[lofty portal]

try this but with everyday carrier and a ceska piece

[wet badger]

I didnt think it was possible to make a chatterbox build bad

[golden ermine]

Intim adren are best on chatter

[vocal shore]

What would be yours ?

[modern gull]

sokolov chest and matador bag

intim and ad rush

[wet badger]

I refuse to use chatterbox for personal reasons but if I go by the top players it's the other suggested build here.

Intim + Ad rush, Matador preferably and sokolov chest, you could use perfect intimidate, the differences are minuscule.

Cores? 3/3 and anything up to 0/6 it really doesn't matter. Go as many reds as u can handle up to 3/3 but it's so utterly broken once stacked 0/6 is still the fastest killing thing this game has ever had that wasn't a 1 tap.

99% of the time the chatterbox is seen in the staircase or in other really tight spots, it's NOT a run and gun weapon, SMGs are bad other than The Chatter or the Backfire, ouro is mid.

[hollow pier]

What's a good build to go for instead of bighorn i hate the thing

[golden ermine]

Ninja capacitor if you want armor. Umbra for dps

[hollow pier]

For the dark zone?

[golden ermine]

Ye

I mean you gonna get foamed either way so id say make a haz bh build still

[modern gull]

hey so what's up with people running something like this in 1v1s?

is this the meta 1v1 setup?

[golden ermine]

Its compy

[golden ermine]

1v1 tournament going on , thats the current tourney build

[modern gull]

am i able to farm the chill out mask currently or no?

[vocal shore]

what brand is the matador?

[modern gull]

walker & harris

[vocal shore]

can you get it in field cache ?

[modern gull]

no

you can get it through conflict caches, dark zone caches, named item caches

and from the dark zone

[vocal shore]

ty is eagle bearer in exo chache ?

[modern gull]

eagle bearer is either through the dark hours raid for dark zone

[mossy solstice]

@modern gull GGs in the DZ last night 🔥 surprised a cheater didn't show up and ruin the fun

[modern gull]

ye ggs

[dreamy halo]

Were you two on a team or did you just run into each other are have a good night of pvping?
I've been working on a DZ build the last few days. It's part of Div2 I don't do nearly enough.

Not nearly as much as Div1

[modern gull]

the latter

[dreamy halo]

That's super cool.

Today I will be grinding for a Ninjabike Bag and then I should have a build that I think fits the meta. I am not sure, I haven't DZ'd in like 10 seasons.

[lofty portal]

wanna show the build so we can give our thoughts on it

[dreamy halo]

I just have a bunch of the uncalibrated gear in my bags atm. I haven't officially pieced anything together.
I have a bunch of gear in brands like Yhall, with max rolls in hazard resist, CHC or HSD. Named Gear like Chill out, Foxes Prayer and Contractor Gloves with the same rolls. Set Items like Agies, Striker, Heartbreaker. And almost every exotic gear or weapons (with DtA or DtTOoC).

I am waiting till I get the Ninjabike Backpack and then I was going to make a decision on what I want to commit the mats to recalibrate or optimize.

[mossy solstice]

Ran into each other, killed each other a few times. Went solo manhunt and Antrax rushed my landmark 😂😂

[dreamy halo]

I honestly need to start making decisions soon about some pvp builds so I can clean up my stash HAHA

Oh, and I see people with EMP sticky but I don't have that. I assume its from an old Manhunt. I haven't tried yet but I am hoping I can still do legacy Manhunts and get it

[tawdry pier]

finally got this build done

3.527m head no cath stacks

forgot pistol multiplier but i believe it would be around 1.1m-1.2m

4.149m on full stacked but unlikely in real scenarios

3.859m mid stack which i would say is average number you'd expect

[modern gull]

i need some good graphics settings

tried out new optimizations and it steel doesn't feel good, honestly worse

[lofty portal]

all hazprot?

i am so mad you got that backpack

but nice for you

[tawdry pier]

look at my hours on

i spent 7 of those hours getting chest and bag

[dreamy halo]

This is a loadout I have from I don't know HOW long ago. I just ported it into the builder you guys linked above.

It's probably a bad build. I'm sure its from like Season 1 of WoNY, I just added the Prophet because I must of binned the old pistol.

[lofty portal]

you don’t wanna know how many baavkpacks i have crafted till now

spent 4 hours yesterday just buying IA kneepads, deconstructing them and crafting backpacks, probably already over 300 alltime

[tawdry pier]

i think i spent 50m creds from buying that imminence kneepad at NY

[lofty portal]

yeah same hahaha

[dreamy halo]

Is that so you can donate it for proficiancy?

I read someone suggesting that. I should do that

[lofty portal]

doing that is really good yeah

but he’s doing it to get materials for crafting a specific piece

[inland tusk]

No,he buys them so that he can deconstruct them for mats,so he can craft the bp he needs

[dreamy halo]

I assume all the red stats are HSD but what's the secondary blue attributes? Hazard Protection?

[lofty portal]

Probably yes, i myself have a similar build but i still need the backpack

[dreamy halo]

I assume that's a Perfect Adrenaline Rush Backpack that only drops in DZ?

[lofty portal]

this is not worth it for several reasons

1. don’t try to combine headshot and crit build, fully spec’ing into either one is much better

2. tardigrade chest is only really useful on 1 support build that has 6 blue cores as the bonus armor it gives is based on YOUR armor

3. normal high end crit builds get overshadowed by umbra builds, bighorn regen builds and regulus high damage builds

[modern gull]

?

[lofty portal]

no, just a normal IA backpack but you need the right talent and both correct attributes so you can recalibrate the core to armor

the DZ exclusive perfect adrush backpack is called the matador and is from walker harris brand

[lofty portal]

low graphic config?

[modern gull]

just turn everything low you mean?

[dreamy halo]

Yea thanks. I know it's not good. I think I just slapped it together a long time ago because I didn't have anything else lol.

[lofty portal]

i have one but its very low graphics, if you’re interested DM me

[modern gull]

sure

[lofty portal]

i see, try to figure out which playstyle is for you

[dreamy halo]

I honestly have no idea

I just PvE mostly and my favourite builds/Playstyle are Perfect Chain Killer, Punch Drunk, Gunslinger Holster, The Gift. With The White Death and Regulas.
Or, I do what I call my "Lazy Skills Build", which is Turret/Drone with Force Multiplier, Waveform and Capacitor.

I don't think either of these translates to PvP

But from the look of your regulas builds there maybe my Chainkiller one might.

[lofty portal]

headhunter is useless in PvP but there are some funny Sniper builds, my favourite is probably this one

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/qby5Ehei

[night epoch]

Returning player here, try to go pvp in dark zone but it’s dead?

[slow mason]

just keep switching until you find one with people

[night epoch]

Does my SHD level affect it? Only level 114

[slow mason]

yes p sure youre int he <1000 bracket

[night epoch]

Ahh I guess most are above 1000

How long will that take?

[modern gull]

how good is this chest piece?

[lofty portal]

not perfect but you can roll hsd on it and keep it

[modern gull]

what builds should i use protected reload on

[lofty portal]

there’s a bighorn regen variant with it

there’s a video link i can send you

[modern gull]

sure

[lofty portal]

only needed to craft like 200 more

[tawdry pier]

Congrats

I stocked 999 of imminence too after getting it incase i need to craft later

[modern gull]

for hunter-killer bighorn, is it better to run 2 pc golan and 3 pc gila or 3 pc golan and belstone/emperor's kneepads with matador

[wet badger]

2nd

[modern gull]

still need to get that matador

[wet badger]

If u don't have emperor's or don't want so much regen u can use 3 golan

Bigger blue can mean keeping intim

[modern gull]

i mean 3 golan is right there

hunter-killer and 2 more golan with belstone/emperor's

is the actual optimal setup being 2 pc golan, 1 pc belstone, emperor’s guard, and matador

[meager swift]

The bighorn meta is so damn boring

[modern gull]

i don’t like bighorn meta either but umbra pesti/iron lung also just reeks

[dreamy halo]

Is the aim with Hazard Protection to have 100%?

[golden ermine]

80% at least

[dreamy halo]

Ok I have 80

[golden ermine]

60% if you can get away with it

[modern gull]

60 is standard if you’re running armor regen and stuff

go higher if you don’t have innate regen

i run 80 on my shield regulus setup because there’s no innate regen or survivability outside of corner peeking with a shield

[dreamy halo]

My Regen is at 13,726. it can go higher, I haven't made an recalibrations yet. I was going to put it into HSD

[mossy solstice]

thats insanely low

[dreamy halo]

I'm just sitting in the BoO and theorycrafting

[mossy solstice]

and thats for regen?

[dreamy halo]

Yea

I have a couple Emperor's guards, I could recalibrate one to armour core.

[mossy solstice]

Regen is usually 3 piece gila/golan. since youre going hazpro, you can instead do catharsis, 2 piece golan, 1 belstone, emp guard, yaahl

Hazpro / HSD per piece. or if youre a chad and dont need hazpro, do armor regen/hsd for the attributes

your regen should be in the near 75k-100k

[dreamy halo]

Oh. Yea, ok. I just did the 3 Gila 1 Belstone and I am already at 75K, without recalibrating anything to regen yet. ty

I severly underestimated the power of 3% Regen

[mossy solstice]

It's 3% total armor Regen so ye that Regen adds up

[amber ice]

@fickle tusk It's "rogue", rouge is the colour red.
and you're looking for #lfg-playstation, the name of this channel is "discussions".

[amber ice]

@vocal shore You can 100% see the post directly above where yours was, I know it.

[wraith marlin]

@shrewd socket boss WOW clan))) can't play and disturbs others

[modern gull]

if i wanted to potentially go for 100 hazpro, could i try and run something like this?

[golden ermine]

Id just run the normal regen build but with haz rolls tbh

[wet badger]

never use regen with ninjabike

[modern gull]

gotcha

[rapid dirge]

this is good for pvp builds right?

[hollow pier]

Running bighorn with Armour and regen and i just get melted from damage builds 🤣🤣🤣🤣 need a new build other than that and umbra any ideas? (Conflict)

[wet badger]

Use skills

[proper ether]

Question, is the hacker ban team actually a thing? Or are our reports just going into the void? I still love going into the DZ, but every other time, will see the infinite bullet hack, teleporation, lag hacking etc etc...

I've send in video proof too, but they tell me they can't update on if the users got banned.

[wet badger]

The devs don't ban cheaters, they are lying through their teeth, actually in Yannicks last comment on the matter he said that therecan be 'justifications as to why they cant ban cheaters" also that "even with video evidence they can't ban them".

They have simply completely given up, you can cheat live on stream blatantly and you do not get banned.

But god forbid you abuse a farming exploit, for that you WILL get banned if it's a major one.

[golden ermine]

Ripper got banned for toxicity

So you can cheat, just dont be mean

[modern gull]

if you don't have matador, what's the best option for bighorn regen with hunter-killer?

catharsis, hunter-killer, 1 pc golan, and 3 pc gila?

or catharsis, hunter-killer, 2 pc golan, 1 pc belstone, and emperor's guard?

[tawdry pier]

That's 3 golan and it is what i run

Alternatively you could 2 golan (one being hunter killer) and replace 3rd piece with contractor's

[modern gull]

ik it's 3 golan i just wanted to specify that it was with the hunter-killer

[young quail]

Any build recommendations for pvp w the backfire

[amber ice]

I know I'm going to regret asking this, but what?

[golden ermine]

Long story, was a while back, just making the point they ban for toxicity but not cheating

Cuz prioritizing

[amber ice]

Oh ingame, I was gonna say, the only ripper we have on record that I can find here is an alt for someone trying to dodge a ban.

It's like my Agent, just move on. It's getting sad.

[golden ermine]

Bruh

[amber ice]

You would not believe how many times that happens. Or someone tries to join with a slur as their name and then goes somewhere else and complains that they were banned "for no reason".

[flint ivy]

is there a chat where the developers at least occasionally visit? they understand that the game is dying, soon there will be only noobs who play pve, there are too many cheaters in pvp, and the game will suffer the fate of the first part - which died because of cheaters

[amber ice]

And this, folks, is why you shouldn't trust random people online for info.

[mossy solstice]

They don't ban cheaters at all. Yannick also justified cheating and I'm betting that's because every player # counts to the dev team. Same thing with each bundle that gets bought. I have dozens of cheater videos up on my YT channel and yet not a single one of them are banned

These are guys with 1k to 10k hours. Worst I've seen so far is 15k hours recorded and is a confirmed cheater via ISAC Network. I don't remember their name but it's mind boggling. This has to mean they've been cheating since the Beta, or their account is as old as the Beta. Let that reality sink in

[amber ice]

Oh that terrible bot thing that keeps coming up.

[mossy solstice]

ISAC Network?

[amber ice]

Assuming it's the same one that people keep trying to pitch to the Mod team to add, yeah the arguments for it never get better.

[mossy solstice]

Yeah that would be the one. It's a community managed cheater tracker. Basically by the community for the community, almost like this server. But useful moreso for PvP

Issue is that to add it to a server, you need to pay a subscription for it or use the actual server itself

[amber ice]

The first time it was pitched to us, it counted headshots per hour. Yes I'm serious.

And not just in Conflict or whatever, but within the DZ at all.

[mossy solstice]

It counts everything, including previous Nicknames and stats. It tracks everything

Very useful for those trying to change their name every 30 days to remain "anonymous". Adding it here would for sure create witch hunting

[amber ice]

It was explained in great detail exactly what it consisted of, and early on it boiled down to "they have this rate of headshots, so they're marked as a cheater".

[mossy solstice]

Yup, having an overwhelming amount of HS per hour will trigger a flag. It analyzes what is humanly possible

[amber ice]

Add the fact that it's a paid service and taking it seriously really does not seem like the smartest play.

[mossy solstice]

Well, it's paid if and only if you want to add it to a personal server. It's free if you join the server itself, just need to be a trusted member (ie, not a cheater)

It'll make you verify your Ubisoft account (doesn't directly access it tho) and that's required for tracking others

[amber ice]

It also means it will never, ever be added here, and anyone trying to advertise it is also going to get an official warning.

[mossy solstice]

Damn fr??

[amber ice]

Advertising rule. (#4)

[mossy solstice]

Ah yeah, that makes sense. I can understand that

[amber ice]

It was a few years ago now, but IIRC the actual rate of headshots at the time was comically low, to the point where if you did like 6 landmarks of headshots, you would be tagged as a potential cheater.

[mossy solstice]

Yeah they've drastically improved the tracking system. It's not that sensitive anymore

[amber ice]

I'll be honest, I absolutely despise paid services run by 3rd parties.

I didn't like them 15 years ago, and I don't like them now.

[mossy solstice]

I can agree with that one. It's a really good tool but making it paid for better benefits is an all time "Microsoft" level low

[amber ice]

It's on par for me with google bypassing my filter for the AI results, and them showing up again.
One day, alphabet. One day.

[mossy solstice]

Robots will soon rule the earth

[amber ice]

They can't even make an owl puzzle, I think we're safe for a few more years.

(new captcha's are weird)

[mossy solstice]

Extremely 💀💀 even I got confused

[inland tusk]

This works for console tracking too?

[mossy solstice]

Yes

[inland tusk]

Oh boi,i wanna see how it works on some ppl,they sus af on console

[mortal badge]

its not nearly as bad as your making it out to be. It definitely can be used to tell when someone is cheating. Its not going to pick every single one out, but when someone is constantly using cheats you can tell

[amber ice]

As I said before, I'm talking about a very early version that was pitched to the team yonks back.

[amber ice]

^
Feel free to leave me out of the rest of this conversation, unless someone tries to post a link or something, I'll leave y'all to your paid bot thingy.

[mortal badge]

I mean hs% is a really easy way to tell at a glance if something is up. It's not wrong to say there's unrealistic numbers no legit player will reach on a large average over time.

[golden ermine]

They changed it so not everyone could see prev names i think

[mossy solstice]

Last I saw they have previous names. Could be for only confirmed cheaters which tbh it's usually only the cheaters changing their name every so often

[wet badger]

most pvp players change their names on a regular basis, people stop fighting you on a certain name if u beat them in a particular way, once you change name you are a 'new person' until they figure it out again, its always fun watching people realise ur the same guy they were crying against last name change, the feature was changed to preserve legit players anonymity as it was being used to help dodge players they dont like, not avoid cheaters which was the bots original intended function.

[lofty portal]

I love the new brand set

was testing my regulus full red build with vigi and gunslinger solo against other guys and i hit a 1.897m shot

now imagine this with group buffs

[inland tusk]

Eww regulus

[meager swift]

@wet badger or just use ANNA bot and you can see previous usernames lol

[golden ermine]

Oo

[wet badger]

Make that with crit chance for max damage

[lofty portal]

just cuz you can’t use it on console

[lofty portal]

i put hazprot on it

i do have a crit build tho

this one

[wet badger]

Oh I thought u meant the exo holster

[inland tusk]

I can use it,its just the playstile of peeking corners with a shield is mega boring

[lofty portal]

nah, i like the chest talent

the holster is great on a glass cannon build lol

[wet badger]

gunslinger is ok, the damage is good, but reliability is dogshit, IMO they should give it a little rework, the downtime system is ass

[mossy solstice]

anna bot creator was caught playing with cheaters

[meager swift]

@mossy solstice its very inaccurate but only use it to see peoples previous names

[lofty portal]

well, it is a bit like determined tbh

headshot damage on body + increased damage

[mossy solstice]

Yeah Anna keeps a good record of that, as for the accuracy, it's a joke

[lofty portal]

nooo, want to farm matador today but i can’t play until very late in the evening and i got work tomorrow

[lofty portal]

sadge, didn't get it, might be easier to farm descent for the bp since i already have alot of them

[modern gull]

i finally got a chc chd matador to roll for blue core

trying to go for a hsd hazpro one to roll for blue but no luck

[golden ermine]

Got it on pc and got the blueprint to craft any version on xbox

[modern gull]

i need the blueprint

[golden ermine]

Def makes things easier

But like 200 descent blueprints, each season adds more

[modern gull]

mfw

i think i’ve exhausted all the blueprints i can get from the light zone

control points don’t give any more

[lofty portal]

I got most of the descent ones back when descent came out but now i probably have alot to go for and descent is really unenjoyable for me

[vocal shore]

Anyone with a chatterbox build to send ?

[lofty portal]

this with 6 blues

or with memento if you wanna farm landmarks

[vocal shore]

Not wanna farm landmark, just steal it

[lofty portal]

steal what?

[vocal shore]

People loot

Is it matador bp v

?

[lofty portal]

yes

[wet badger]

Doesn't have to be the Matador, but any other crit brand set should do, ideally blue crit crit, Matador is min max

[lofty portal]

ceska is overkill so probably grupo right?

[wet badger]

Ceska & SMGs don't mix, most exo SMGs have 15% chc now

[lofty portal]

yeah with chatterbox, shd watch, 2 rolls you are already up to 58%

[wet badger]

And those 2 rolls always come from the 2 high end pieces

[full jetty]

umbra

Im 100% not biased

[vocal shore]

Any eagle build anyone would like to share ?

[inland tusk]

EB goes into the stash,unless u god tier PvPer

[vocal shore]

sound like skill issue

[inland tusk]

Go ahead and use it,tell me how BH tastes when you are on the floor

[vocal shore]

not playing bh

even i know its meta

[wet badger]

What are you playing?

[vocal shore]

eb

[wet badger]

How do you kill a Bighorn meta build?

[vocal shore]

i died against them

[modern gull]

eb is only really decent on striker memento and even then it can still struggle

it is fun though

[junior forge]

@wet badger you can but need a team with strikers

[modern gull]

been using this capacitor umbra setup with technician for 6 skill tiers, is this a good idea or is it better to use blues and reds for the cores instead

[mossy solstice]

umbra capacitor with yellow tiers is best use in conflict or in a 4 man group where youre not the main focus. I personally use mine with a few blues and enough to get me to 3 skill tiers. I also use grupo and china light with mortar and explo sticky

id even recommend using a defender drone and a sticky bomb since the higher the tier defender drone, the more damage reduction itll give

[modern gull]

oh yeah i use a defender drone by default

which sticky would be the best?
explosive, fire, or emp?

with 6 tiers ofc

[mossy solstice]

on that build, EMP. with mine (grupo + china light), go explo

[modern gull]

you'd drop picaro's and walker for grupo and china light i'd imagine

[mossy solstice]

mine is the same setup but replace picaro's and walker with crit grupo rolled skill tier and crit china

correct

then run demo bc im using a mortar turret so it allows me to hard push

[modern gull]

ye

[mossy solstice]

yours would have better skill utility. i made mine a hybrid between skill/dps/some armor

basically nothing but stagger 😂

[mossy solstice]

would look more like this

mine's a 3 tier

[modern gull]

ah ok

i like having 6 tiers for funnies so i'll try and stick with that but thanks

[mossy solstice]

ive noticed without any skill damage, taking 6 tier explo isnt fully worth it. at most youll unlock a smidge more damage but more radius

[modern gull]

well yeah that's where the china light and grupo pieces come in

[mossy solstice]

it gives I think like 40% more explo damage with the two of them combined

it might work, give it a shot. youre gonna be really glassy tho

definitey a conflict build. DZ i dont see it holding up besides group play or manhunt police

[modern gull]

i need to make a dedicated mortar build soon

[mossy solstice]

3 china, 2 wyvern, vile

[modern gull]

ah makes sense

[mossy solstice]

or 2 grupo, 3 china, vile

good luck with those grupo rolls tho 😂

[modern gull]

the horrors await

[mossy solstice]

me who accidentally decon'd my ceska crit with unbreakable and is trying to get another one:

ceska just refused to drop for me

[modern gull]

with blue core?

[mossy solstice]

all red

[modern gull]

oh i have a few of those lol

[mossy solstice]

it keeps dropping some sorta skill attribute or HSD/handling

and the occasional blue attribute with HSD

its been a pain. been farming 3 days for it

double crit refused to drop as well. never wouldve thought ceska would be this big of a pain, especially the chest piece

[modern gull]

to this day i'm still looking for a group chest piece with double crit and ub to roll for blue core

and i'm still looking for a hsd hazpro matador tor oll for blue core

[mossy solstice]

i actually have one of those 💀 issue with my build is that its an all red striker with nimble holster and unbreakable

until i decon'd the chest on accident...

[modern gull]

rip

[mossy solstice]

they need to make ceska chest craftable. can craft anything else BUT that. meanwhile grupo chest can be crafted like 🤦‍♀️

[wet badger]

You never drop picaro

[wet badger]

Not just striker but a competent support/healer, it's hard to find a competent support player.

[inland tusk]

Because everyone wants to be streamer,ez money 🤑 supports don't get enough credit in almost any game,no kill no fame

[wet badger]

As long as I play with competent DPS players I'll happily play support, it's just that often times in tough servers I end up being the one who needs to play DPS and the other 3 aren't quite equipped to support properly, it gets annoying.

[inland tusk]

I feel u,i was in similar situation in certain clans,ppl just refuse to have support builds on their 16 firewall loadouts slots

[mossy solstice]

Me with 4 support builds on 2 pvp characters:

Cavi, measured, tardigrade, FI/High End healer

[lofty portal]

this one is pretty fun, need to have oistol out all the time tho

[lofty portal]

attributes are hazprot and skill damage
mods are disrupt res, disrupt res and ensnare res
can change shield for explo sticky or stinger hive

[modern gull]

god damn that yaahl piece is going to be a pain in the ass to get lol

[lofty portal]

yup, if you craft any brand chest you can get a yaahl chest with a 20% chance tho

[lofty portal]

yaahl can be changed to something else like wyvern and you can use one more disrupt res mod instead

[modern gull]

what are the blue attributes?

[lofty portal]

.

[modern gull]

ah ok

talent for the kard?

spike?

[lofty portal]

yeah, that or in sync work pretty well

[junior forge]

I make soo many rage on conflict with the building I use with trauma 🤣

8.5k bleed they think they get hacked 🤣🤣🤣

[golden ermine]

Trust I feel it. Support is also fun in its own way cept like healer

[modern gull]

how good is this habsburg bag?

[modern gull]

lost it, nvm

[mossy solstice]

be happy you did

if youre thinking of using it for bighorn, why not just craft one?

[modern gull]

well would it even be good for bighorn?

or anything?

[mossy solstice]

ive seen variations of HB, prov, Contractors, Fox's, Fenris and catharsis

[modern gull]

what is the determined marksman rifle builds that people use for pvp?
and how does determined work in regards to pvp?

[modern gull]

also @wet badger what is the current umbra capacitor build that you run? here's mine for reference with 6 skill tiers using technician, was wondering if there was a more general build that doesn't rely on teammates or rogue police as much

[meager swift]

There will be a lot of umbra / tinker builds around today

[pulsar vapor]

Okay
Bf6 beta over
Back to grinding

[inland tusk]

Bf6 needs 3 months in the oven to cook more at least

[pulsar vapor]

Kill all 4 players in a rapid motion i believe

[limber cedar]

Why do you expect AI to know more than the player about the game?

[floral hearth]

Drops the Tinkerer metas

[inland tusk]

Omfg tinkerer not working with lexy

💀

[modern gull]

lexington is named so yeah

[floral hearth]

Dude... Does Division community knows how to read? Dayyyyyum

(Sorry for my lack of English skills)

[amber ice]

@floral hearth Is they know how to read?

[floral hearth]

I've seen many players asking why Tinkerer its not working with exotics 😭😭

[golden ermine]

Lolol

[inland tusk]

In the pts it was working

[modern gull]

they changed it

the description of the talent very clearly states that the primary and secondary weapons can't be named or exotic and have to be of the same weapon type

[inland tusk]

No we don't know how to read,teach us division god

[golden ermine]

Yoru a goat, hes the best div 2 player on any platform

[floral hearth]

Im better on switch 2

[haughty dirge]

Common sense

[grizzled parrot]

I play on an ally x at times. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[vague idol]

Man they really need to fix the Dark Zone, this lag switching stuff is breaking the game - it's every night now we encounter this garbage, and if it's done enough, it will lieterally freeze everything in place, and crash the server.

[mossy solstice]

wait until you hit PC. the problem doesnt just stop at lag switch

[tawdry pier]

that shi is evolving

they don't even freeze when lagging

straight up hitting you with that tac-50 mw2 quickscope style

[mossy solstice]

mom get the camera 📷

[sudden coyote]

I got absolutely beamed by one last night at 1.8M armor (no Unbreakable though) so I did the normal thing and copied it to add to the circus. Was in the process of testing a Tinkerer Strikers build but didn't even get the opportunity so I dumped it immediately for that

[sudden coyote]

I'm too lazy to run numbers but the burst damage seems to be noticeably higher if you pair something like Flatline and Measured and a Fenris Vigilance backpack. I don't know how other people run their Capacitor Umbra but I do it with Ninjabike, a yellow Walker Piece, and yellow Picaro's to be 5 skill tier 1.6M armor with striker/defender drone and an explosive sticky. I survived the next encounter when I switched to a pulse immune build tho just as a heads up

I usually don't like Vigilance since most of my encounters would nullify it within a couple seconds but that setup goes all in on burst damage

[mossy solstice]

give this a tickle. it MELTS anything like its butter

can 1 mag heroic named enemies so that should tell you the damage is really high.

how much damage do you need? yes

even made the Tar 21 function despite the lack of damage. can only imagine what a famas or police m4 would do

[modern gull]

streamline is so tempting but i love decoy and emp sticky so it won't be active a lot lol

[inland tusk]

Ewww measured

[wet badger]

That CTAR isn't the highest burst but it doesn't move at all, I used to use it on Umbra years ago, got a clip against a streamer, with busy bee and bleed bullets I wiped 3 of them in like 20 rounds half a mile down the road, looked like cheats, if the damage is high enough the ease of use makes it worthwhile.

[inland tusk]

What about Honey badger? Cuz i ain't using sexy lexi with umbra/tink

[wet badger]

I never saw the point of the Honey Badger, you lose an attachment for nothing whatsoever, all the devs had to do was to give the integrated suppressor at least some kind of stat, anything equivalent or better than the usual offerings.

[mossy solstice]

Pretty much the moment I see someone and I got my sights on them and I press the trigger, their armor gets deleted in like 3-4 bullets. I've had a multitude of cheater claims in conflict so far and I'm sitting here like: 🇨 🇴 🇵 🇪

Doesn't matter how much armor they have. 700k, 2.4m, nothing can stop this build besides a good sniper or somebody running status and sticky. Got into a ton of face fights with even a bighorn Regen and a side-to-side strafe always resulted in me winning the fight due to how much damage this thing puts out. Tar 21 just doesn't move. It's a laser at range and it shoots so fast. It's almost like if Lexington has the RPM of a Famas but remove the recoil of the Famas. I threw a Famas on it and it shreds even more with even more RPM. I highly recommend this build for anyone @simple apex @inland tusk (I tried measured on it as well invader and I just don't like how it cuts the damage by a quarter. The last half of the mag feels terrible as well)

@modern gull in conflict the decoy skill is decent but seeing nameplates doesn't work like in DZ so you can get away with streamlined pretty easily. If you know how to peek a corner pretty good even in dz you don't need skills if you have good awareness (and maybe a group)

[inland tusk]

Sounds cool,has 800 rpm,have decent dmg ,i mean sexy lexy exist,but i can't run it with alphabridge mask

Measured is -25% wep dmg for 20% rpm in the first half right? @mossy solstice

[mossy solstice]

Correct

You could do measured and streamlined but you'd be just barely making up the loss of DPS with measured

[wet badger]

both talents are an L

[inland tusk]

So optimist and strained? Like we have barely any good talents on AR

[mossy solstice]

It'll work perfectly. If anything the damage will be a bit better or more consistent

[wet badger]

Breadbasket is a good talent on builds where your crit + hsd is low at base. It doesn't increase your max damage output but it averages out your damage with a regular person's aim, if you aim all head you gain nothing, if u aim all body you get nothing but as long as u mix in the occasional headshot it's actually quite good.

Even if you hit 5x body shots per headshot you still gain 27% headshot damage on average across those 6 shots. If you hit 3 body shots then a headshot you gain 41% headshot damage.

I was testing eyeless + breadbasket on a full red and I managed a 895k damage number with a FAL, this is the kind of damage number that can bypass unbreakable so if you can swipe up as a player gets low you can nullify their chest talent.

[inland tusk]

"Breadbasket optimist new meta dz pvp beat ultra super build confirmed by @wet badger " will be the next YT

[lofty portal]

this for alpha stairs with matador and badger tuff knees :)

[amber ice]

@inland tusk I keep telling them to change that name, it is going to trip them up one day.

[wet badger]

I did change it within this discord

[amber ice]

Well it's at least less filter-trip worthy.

[lavish basin]

Just call them Rypto

[inland tusk]

[modern gull]

ooo tinkerer used for pvp stuff should be fun

this needs 1 crit chance mod for 50+ i imagine

[floral hearth]

Umbra destroyer Console build

If you have 2 more AR changes with another talents it's also good (Streamline, Ranger, optimist)

[tawdry pier]

streamlined 1 blue vigi 😬

[inland tusk]

[lofty portal]

not with matador and badger tuff knees

[modern gull]

i do have a matador

[modern gull]

hmm what about this?

52% chc
153% chd
18% dttooc
20% dta

[mossy solstice]

I run mine with famas and ceska bag. Streamlined/optimist are my talents and i have 2 blue cores

[loud geyser]

Is it me or is the tinkerer mask kinda bad?

[inland tusk]

We have a lot of useless talents

[loud geyser]

True

[lofty portal]

use a second walker piece instead of contractors

[inland tusk]

Why? He will lose 3% dta

[modern gull]

i’m guessing the higher chc to make crits more consistent

[inland tusk]

20dta from where?

[mossy solstice]

the only way to get 20 DTA is from contractor's and capacitor

[modern gull]

this is a shotgun build

12% from the shotgun
8% from contractor’s

[modern gull]

which weapons do you have the +15% damage for in firewall?

[wet badger]

Don't tell that to all the YouTubers posting "best build" guides.

I've seen 2 shining examples of content creators actively making a build WORSE with the Tinkerer then portray it as some kind of revolutionary god build.

Hilarious

[limber cedar]

AKA: making useless 10min content to benefit from YouTube adsense.

[wet badger]

Then their viewers copy the build, go DZ, get farmed and cry cheats because their experience doesn't match the fake clickbait title their favourite youtuber used.

I don't get why people make false claims, just say it as it is. Or explain the niche it's supposed to fill.

2.0M Famas Meta Build with THE NEW TINKERER MASK | Is it any good?

Catharsis gives so much more than streamline and doesn't force you on a crappy secondary which for some reason doesn't get the first weapons talent, I swear... Did they even think this mask through?

[modern gull]

it’s the pve certified™ mask

tinkerer for pvp is good on like
shotgun setups and umbra ar i think

[lofty portal]

and gain 6% chc

[lofty portal]

shotgun, smg and AR

[modern gull]

damn i have ar, lmg, pistol

smg i use gunner for, the chatterbox ofc

[lofty portal]

i have pistol,, shotgun and AR on technician

[modern gull]

makes sense

[wet badger]

I don't even think it's worth it on Umbra, you're sacrificing the Capacitor or Iron Lung for a weapons that do so much less damage that you're wasting a mask just to get close to the damage output of those 2, then you have to go vigilance and risk losing damage on being hit, and you lose armour.

It's a bad trade in 90% of all currenttly seen versions, in game and on YT etc

Maybe with LMGs you can do something with Frenzy + Unhinged/Ranger

The only options I see that are actually viable are high damage insta kill builds with full red, you kill or you die builds.

Eyeless + Sadist will hit hardest of all combos but that requires Trauma which is a 20% loss Vs Spotter variants just to make it back via an OP talent combo.

Spotter variants will use flatline + people will say streamline but that talent is bad, nice mediocre damage boost and now you can't use skills any other option is just mid at best, optimist provides nothing at first, strained is crap, breadbasket is ok but only on a high end, then you have ranger which is probably the best and most reliable but you really will need to keep range or it's as bad as measured.

I've actually just sat and watched a YouTuber show off his BEST BUILD except he's doing less damage than the meta version that's 4 years old and be useless because he can't use his drone or sticky, never mind the OD support he had on his team which was the only reason he was doing more than 110k body crits, I swear man...

[modern gull]

yeah that sucks
tinkerer is very obviously just pve certified

[wet badger]

Even in PvE, the fact that the talents aren't shared across both weapons is a big L.

If they're gonna restrict the + talent only to the primary then they should allow named items in that slot.

If you could use Perfect Frenzy Famas + Optimist then you'd have something that synergizes.

Exotics are already so far ahead of high end weapons this mask was supposed to be the way to bring back high end but no it just doesnt.

2 high end weapons and some kind of support/buffing pistol.

Busy bee could do with a buff maybe, not like before but make it useful at least.

10 stacks of 2% damage a piece, tell me the devs don't play the game without saying it so.

What about the mosquito? Could have had a function in PvP, but NO they are too lazy.

The new pistol isn't gonna stop shield disorient is it now? What's the point of a pistol that gains a buff after you're already in trouble.. at least it should protect u from the shield break animation in addition to it's talent.

[modern gull]

yeah the fact that it doesn't apply to named weapons is so weird

forcing the two weapons to be in the same catergory is also just dumb

[lofty portal]

not really, prevents some OP combos like determined or first blood on a shotgun

imagine first blood on a double barrel paired with brazen

[lavish basin]

or pummel on an lmg

[lofty portal]

didn’t mention that since it is not really good for pvp but yeah

or lucky shot with frenzy

[inland tusk]

On shotty anything above 54% is good, for need for 60

[lofty portal]

why not?

also you get 58 on this, with contractor only 52

[inland tusk]

Because m870 already one/two taps 2mil armor unbreakable builds

[lofty portal]

why you need more dta then?

pointless discussion

normal rule is just go as close as you can to 60%

[inland tusk]

Why u need more crit? Pointless pc player opinion

[inland tusk]

Oh yy the new pistol with that goofy talent can't do anything when u can't aim properly because of shield break i forgot about that

[lofty portal]

i just go for more damage

wtf is “you one/two-tap 2 mil armor builds with unbreak” supposed to mean anyways

the less damage you go the less likely you are to one/two-tap

[inland tusk]

🤦‍♂️

[lofty portal]

explain it then

[inland tusk]

U are losing dta for CHC,u already doing mad dmg with intimidate +2 talents,that chc won't help much,also imagine someone on ur team runs coyote,52% is absolutely fine,you are on a shotty ON PC

[lofty portal]

1. crit has nothing to do with PC

2. learn damage calc

3. dta is just less dmg than the chc you gain

[inland tusk]

I said shotty on pc,learn to read,learn to play pls

[lofty portal]

what is the difference of dmg gain of dta va dmg gain of chc on shotties on pc?

[inland tusk]

U don't get it ,if u using shotty on pc where everyone can beam pixels,you should uninstall this game and throw ur pc in the dumbster,and then set fire on it

[golden ermine]

Ooooh

Shotties are still good, just situational

[lavish basin]

@inland tusk could you maybe consider being a bit less hostile in your interactions here?

[inland tusk]

This is not hostile,this is the ugly truth,also he started it smh

[golden ermine]

"He started it"

[lofty portal]

i still don’t know what you mean, just leave it atp

[golden ermine]

Cuz we are all adults here

[inland tusk]

I very much doubt that

[modern gull]

hey i was able to find these two

[wet badger]

Shotguns are for the most part crit weapons, yeah they can pack a lunch on a full ha regen or reg build but generally speaking u want crit.

Ensuring you have close to 60 chc is the main consideration, hitting big white numbers is cool and all but critting big is what kills.

All you have to do is spec the most efficient sources of flat damage then dump everything else into crit.

[modern gull]

trying to make the mortar build here and i'm curious about alternatives for the chest piece, looks like it'll be insanely difficult to get because it's a unicorn

[wet badger]

Get an RnK and put the lengmo elsewhere

Get whatever piece u can and fill the gaps elsewhere

[modern gull]

makes sense, thanks

[modern gull]

what is the recommended explo resistance you think?
90 is on this build, but i did see that you said 90 wasn't fully necessary

[wet badger]

It's not, you can get away with 70%, 80% is safe, you can even go for some hazard if u like, paired with a healer you can be practically immune to everything and still hit reasonably hard

[modern gull]

gotcha

right now i have the backpack, mask, holster, chest piece

still need the proper gloves and kneepads

and i need to get back my capacitor after accidentally deconstructing it

💀

[wet badger]

nice kwypto scam @amber ice

[lofty portal]

hey man, you got some tips on how to strafe properly?

[wet badger]

hold w shake mouse

[modern gull]

just got my capacitor back

nice

[modern gull]

@wet badger
what cores do you run on your capacitor umbra setup?

for reference here's what i run, for 6 skill tiers, 3 armor cores, and 1 red

[lofty portal]

lose the skill tiers i’d say

[torpid dawn]

What’s the difference if any between a pestilence build in conflict compared to dz? I’ve seen umbra in both but not sure which is optimal or if it just comes down to play style?

[modern gull]

the build is the same you just need more chc because there’s no shade watch levels active

[modern gull]

for what?

[lofty portal]

i go 3 blue, 2 red cores alongside ninjabike

[modern gull]

so replace 1 tier for a blue and 1 tier for a red?

or replace all the skill tiers

[lofty portal]

replace all skill tiers

i don’t really believe in that kind of hybrid build

[modern gull]

damn

[modern gull]

something akin to this then?

[lofty portal]

yeah this is what i use

[modern gull]

gotcha

[lofty portal]

atleast if i ever felt like playing this actually lol

[modern gull]

are the skill choices and the specialization themselves fine?
or should i go with different options?

[lofty portal]

rn i only play reg high damage, mortar, reg intimidate or sniper pulse res

[lofty portal]

what are the skills?

technician is best spec

[modern gull]

defender drone and explo sticky

[lofty portal]

defender drone is good (could change to decoy)

i would use fire sticky tho

[modern gull]

i like decoy a lot

[lofty portal]

and bighorn tank obviously

[lofty portal]

same

[modern gull]

quick question how do you change servers?

[lofty portal]

travel to summit and back

for empty lobbies try logging out while in the dark zone and going rogue close to the timer hitting 0 seconds so you don’t get targeted

[torpid dawn]

What’s the go to AR build that’s not bighorn for dz?

[lofty portal]

https://buildstation.app/td2/builder/game/SWikciK8

[torpid dawn]

Thank you both for the responses

[wet badger]

That was good like 3 years ago

[tranquil nest]

Was it?

[torpid dawn]

What would you consider its replacement? That’s not big horn I guess.

[wet badger]

The Bighorn IS the replacement for that kind of build, other builds are of a different kind.

Umbra variants with Capacitor are the other kinds you will see, they are like the one in the link right above.

Yes there are others, if u give me a description of a situation i'll provide the build

[inland tusk]

Why is everyone on measured with tinkerer in dz?

[mossy solstice]

On the right tinkerer setup, it unlocks more Burst DPS. Umbra required of course. I however use Optimist/Streamlined

I get hackusations with this build left and right. (This is a PvE setup, swap to firewall for the kit and swap the reviver for decoy)

[inland tusk]

I mean capacitor already melts on umbra, using any other AR feels like a downgrade imho

[wet badger]

I still need to do the math but off the top of my head Tinkerer seems worthless with ARs. When I get back on div I'll do some testing

[meager swift]

@wet badger yeah its ok but I feel coyote is better as its a lot of extra crit damage

[torpid dawn]

Just wanted something that could compete with the BH builds from medium ranges. I like the lmg and AR weapons systems.

[inland tusk]

Yeah i want to use sexy lexy on my OD to bleed n counter armor regen muppets but it doesn't work with tinkerer 💀

[wet badger]

The iron lung or pesti can keep a bighorn at range sometimes, you don't have to use Umbra, you can use lengmo, but with this new gear set around the corner that might be worth using

[mossy solstice]

you definitely havent used the build yet

[vocal shore]

Anyone share a Umbra ar ?

[modern gull]

i was able to get a unicorn fenris chest piece with chc, chd, and spotter and recalibrated it with an armor core

would it replace the closer piece here on a spotter vigilance setup like this?

[wet badger]

Nah just keep the closer

[torpid dawn]

What attributes do you run? Chc/hs?

[lofty portal]

no, chc and chd

[modern gull]

not worth going hybrid crits and hsd

[torpid dawn]

Makes sense

[modern gull]

what are the "support" builds that people use in pvp groups in the dz?

[inland tusk]

The only umbra i run is ravy umbra

[inland tusk]

OD TP FI

[golden ermine]

Ew

[golden ermine]

I have a final measure efficient build and a healer

[lofty portal]

FI healer with empathic

Cavalier tank with pefficient

Bonus Armor tank

[modern gull]

what do the builds look like?

[lofty portal]

i don’t have them, that’s just what my team used, can create them later tho

[craggy trench]

Fi healer I run brazos, 3 future, ninja, 1 foundary

[wet badger]

Maybe last patch, but since Birdies, everyone runs birdies, it's a must pick.

Gila is better than foundry anyway...

[lofty portal]

so birdies, 4 piece FI and empathic resolve chest?

[craggy trench]

Not really no

The health is a dead stat imo

Did they fix birdies

[lofty portal]

bug still seems to exist

[wet badger]

70k armour or 200k health and an extra stat hmm... my math is mathing more than yours my friend.

[modern gull]

meth

[inland tusk]

What's wrong with Birdies?

[wet badger]

You can glitch it the same way you can glitch smart cover, the buff remains after it shouldn't.

Devs introduce new things into the game but they never fxcking work

[inland tusk]

[wet badger]

Final Measure is still bugged from the PTS, instead of fixing the cool down reset they just buffed the backpack so you wouldn't feel the need to glitch it, even though there are some niche builds that don't use the bag and u can still get away with abusing that.

All 3 new things from last season ARE still bugged, and now I hear u can stack talents with the Tinkerer without the Tinkerer but I've yet to see proof of that as of yet.

[inland tusk]

I saw one guy with BH while having brazen talent on top of his head,not sure if visual glitch or....

[lethal cradle]

Can someone recommend me a good build? Im pretty new to DZ so i dont really have an idea where to start and what items to farm

[golden ermine]

Bighorn regen

[mossy solstice]

I've seen proof of it, not right in front of me, but Patrick Wolf showcased it on his channel with backfire and other weapons. He had measured on his backfire. Which if he can do that, he can stack more talents. I also have other sources confirming this. Still don't know how to do it myself, and quite frankly, don't want to know how to do it. All I know is those rumors you heard are true

The community is gatekeeping this exploit pretty good, considering it's a damage exploit and the last time there was a damage exploit people got banned and rolled back. Considering the devs don't ban anyone now, I doubt it'll make a difference gatekeeping it VS releasing how to do it

Not like anyone will be banned....

[wet badger]

I've been doing some testing with the Tinkerer, on Umbra variants, its makes absolutely ZERO sense to use Tinkerer on Umbra for ARs

Measured is somewhat equal to Ranger @ 11m ONLY with Streamline 3/3

Take away Streamline which you absolutely should and then Ranger is better than Measured at under 10m

You only deal marginally more damage than a Capacitor hybrid without all the perks of the hybrid lose Vig and u lose the minuscule advantage

Coyote is arguably JUST as effective as Tinkerer at the mid range proc, except with Coyote you help the team

The Capacitor with Coyote is far stronger than Dual ARs with Tinkerer on the same 3/3 Vig build whilst retaining a viable utility secondary such as The Lefty

[wet badger]

If you play half a mile down the road then Ranger does actually provide really good damage, but in this case u can also just spec the build with Coyote and swap out CHC for CHD, in either case the Capacitor still competes within its optimal range which is where most of your engagements will be, 15-35m

[inland tusk]

Tinkerer good only on shotty stairs build,and OD

[golden ermine]

Go outside?

Grass?

[limber cedar]

Why fix things if you can do a "workaround" ?

The programming team, probably.

[mossy solstice]

while this is all true, im still gonna keep using my umbra tinkerer build. just cannot put it down it fits my playstyle a bit too well

[wet badger]

if its fun, enjoy it but just know that its not optimal

[torpid dawn]

If I run HB should I run the bag or Ceska/Vigi?

[craggy trench]

depends if you want more dmg or more armor

[torpid dawn]

I see

[golden ermine]

Heartbreaker? Run the bag 100%

[torpid dawn]

What would a pvp set up look like with it? Bag chest then coyotes?

[craggy trench]

I'd go catharsis and a ceska piece

[torpid dawn]

Thank you all for the responses

[wet badger]

Heartbreaker always chest and bag, and like he said ^ Ceska catharsis for crit

[queen pulsar]

What would the meta be in the dz rn? I made a armour regen bighorn build and in my opinion it isn’t as op as people make it out to be

[craggy trench]

Umbra capacitor, bighorn regen, pesti, shotgun

[mossy solstice]

100%. It's mainly just fun for me because playing umbra capacitor gets boring fast. Forces me to play without skills and to play a bit more tactically

[vale lava]

Is there any glitch when player don’t get killed by standing around the turret in dz non invaded ?

[inland tusk]

They barely do dmg now to you,only shock you,i believe its not a glitch,but intentional change

[limber cedar]

It would make no sense to be intentional, otherwise It would be on the patch notes.

[golden ermine]

Sometimes they dont have stuff in patch notes

[wet badger]

They didn't put the R&K buff in the patch notes, not everything makes it there, but I agree I don't think it's intentional but it's also a god send so I'm keeping quiet, devs love to ruin things that make the game better, just like the stronger insta medkits, fixed in 1 week.

[humble wedge]

Check out rogue golds dz build on youtube and make changes u need.

I use that build but more armor cores, ceska replacement with contractors, st elmose for electric ammo and lexington with strained, clears landmarks with ease and shreds players with 2 million armor

[mossy solstice]

That's until they meet a bighorn Regen player or somebody with umbra guns them down

[unreal urchin]

Just got the game last month and im looking for yaahl gear... is unbreakable on a chest piece viable in conflict or should I be going for something else like obliterate?

[modern gull]

obliterate is more useful in the dark zone, and even then unbreakable is more common
go unbreakable

[golden ermine]

Servers actually gotten worse

Nonstop crashing

[modern gull]

holy shit i just got a unicorn

wonder whaat build i can use this for

[tawdry pier]

At cqb you'll be contending with shotguns/smgs (chatterbox specifically) so as an assault it'll be a hard time for you

[wet badger]

It's not just a unicorn but niche too, gonna be hard to put that in a build that makes sense

[modern gull]

it's a fenris piece, it comes with a red core by default
i recalibrated it

[lofty portal]

pls delete your message, too embarrassing for me

[modern gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/805585135147024394/1389351246389055661/unnamed-1.webp

rip

[modern gull]

this game is so cooked i join a server, get rage cheated, then another cheater farms the first cheater

[golden ermine]

Nah bro, they ban cheaters

[mossy solstice]

I say that's karma

[modern gull]

it is, just funny

[mossy solstice]

I applaud hacker hunters because it sort of keeps the fighting fair

I'd rather they hack on hackers instead of hacking on me

It's stupid funny to read in chat when they call out cheats but they're Regulus wallbanging the entire server thru the wall and Naruto/sonic running across the DZ

[modern gull]

the cheater was chasing us from ACROSS servers btw

everyone left and changed servers, then moments later the cheater joins and instakills everyone again

[mossy solstice]

Yup that sounds perfectly accurate. This is why we thank our fellow hacker hunters. They're almost like our FI healers in a way 😂

[modern gull]

maybe this could work?

this is with what i have as pieces currently

57 chc 174 chd with eagle

could go high end lexi

[mossy solstice]

In theory, it sounds good but when going against the overly exhausted meta, it just won't compete

[modern gull]

yeah that's the problem

[mossy solstice]

Pvp is kinda just dead. A huge reason why I had to walk away from it. Burnt out from PvE because there's no content left there either. Stretch goals hand out Scammer caches that rewards so little of our overspent time

[modern gull]

i just got the lexi today

after several hours of just nothing

[modern gull]

bighorn regen, umbra capacitor/lmg

that’s all i see now

oh and i guess shield reg

[mossy solstice]

Yup super tiring and super exhausted. I had to walk away. Good job on the lex, I got one the other day. Haven't seen another. I need that 4th. After that, I'm gone from this game

[modern gull]

what do you need the 4th for?

[mossy solstice]

1 for each character. I have 3

[modern gull]

ah ok

[mossy solstice]

I need 1 more then my grind is over. Any gear I consistently use, I keep dupes across all 4 chars

Each character has nearly every dupe gear that's BIS or common across all my builds

[modern gull]

i'm still looking for

turmoil
caretaker
chill out x2
and harvest maybe

[mossy solstice]

Chill out, wait for the loot goblin. Harvest, same thing. Focus on turmoil rn. As for caretaker, it's inaccurate at long range

Not a bad AR but at range, it's lacking a bit for accuracy. More accuracy for lower damage is more preferred

[modern gull]

i heard caretaker sucks but i still want it

being limited and all

[mossy solstice]

It's not that it sucks it's just that the range/accuracy is a bit of a hinderance

*hindrance

[modern gull]

i can run an accuracy mod

but i doubt it'll be enough

[craggy trench]

It's not terrible

[mossy solstice]

Doesn't weapon handling improve the accuracy too?

[modern gull]

i think so

weapon handling improves accuracy, stability, and reload speed altogether iirc

[tawdry pier]

lagger

[inland tusk]

Lagswitch

[vague idol]

Conflict - it's crazy I just get seeker mined and stinger hived to death constantly, if i can get shots they are in trouble

Any thoughts on how to counter this stuff?

[mossy solstice]

Hazpro, Regen, know when to push and not to push. Sawyers kneepads work against explosives for stagger. Knowing when to approach a seeker intentionally and then rolling correctly makes seekers useless

As for hives, just don't push. If you're spawn trapped, then well, GGs

Could also swap to status tick and run an EMP jammer. Tier 6 can knock out all skills including other skill builds. Easy counter as well

[craggy trench]

I've been hearing the emp jammer is just not working sometimes in conflict

[mossy solstice]

So far from what little I've played lately, works just fine. Been hearing smart cover is a bit wonky tho

I've not played pvp since the stretch goals hit so that may be a different case

[craggy trench]

But yea other than that stinger isn't too hard to counter, try not to bunch up with the team and push other lanes

[mossy solstice]

And if you can't, just swap to tier 6 Jammer 🤷

[mossy solstice]

Tossing a decoy in the hive range is somewhat viable too, wastes stinger hives

[craggy trench]

Yea true any skill iirc

[inland tusk]

Tier 3 jammer is fine too

[mossy solstice]

tier 3 can jam tier 6?

[inland tusk]

Unless they changed it,yes

[craggy trench]

Yea

[mossy solstice]

I learn something new everyday woo woo

[golden ermine]

Yes

[torpid dawn]

If the big horn was to be nerfed soon how would yall go about it? I personally would make it so that you lose all stacks if you miss your headshots and have to rebuild them again.

[amber ice]

Change its name to littlehorn, and I guarantee that at least half of all people would stop using it.

[golden ermine]

Tbh I think having 100 stacks and 1% damage per stack and misses make you lose stacks would be nice. Add a talent that works like obliterate for headshots and buff concussion so youd have to spec in a hs build but it would still be viable

[mossy solstice]

I can get behind that. 100 stacks and misses taking away a stack would make it a bit hard to keep stacks. Maybe dump stacks down to about 40 and every other miss results in a stack removed might be the best way to go. Concussion needs a slight buff as well I agree

[torpid dawn]

52CHC/103CHD is this the best way to run HB optimally or should I have a red core? Mostly solo BTW.

[craggy trench]

For crit it's solid

[teal cosmos]

No good for pvp, as soon as heartbreaker comes out, pulse resist comes along to nerf it

[torpid dawn]

Not looking for extended fights really just for DZ farming and defending from rogues. If they want to change builds its all good.

[modern gull]

could run striker eb memento for farming

[modest cedar]

I just purchased a razer Wolverine v3 tournament edition and was wondering if anyone here has some suggestions on stick/dz settings for PvP on Xbox? Thanks in advance

[golden ermine]

Hold to sprint and have a back paddle be your ls click

[wet badger]

I dont think Concussion needs a buff, well, maybe arguably in regards to duration of the intial stack, but its in a fine place, its the other talents that need adjusting cough Vigilance, why work for 25% damage when you can get it for free?... Why learn positioning when Ad-Rush can give u constant free armour forever and ever as long as u run in circles around people.

[craggy trench]

Unbreakable needs conditionals too

[mossy solstice]

If I were to give a slight nerf to vigilance and how it works, I would increase the timer to about 6 seconds. Or, for each additional time that you lose the vigilance talent, it takes longer for it to come back

Obviously you will need to put a cap penalty for it so that way it's not a completely useless talent

So for example I tried to shoot it unsuspecting player, and they managed to spot me and we trade shots and they hit me, the first penalty would be the default talent that sits right now. If I go to repeat again after the talent comes back, and I get hit again, I would lose the talent once more but instead the countdown would be higher. Each additional time you do that the talent takes longer to come back obviously there should be a cap as well. Maybe cap it out at 10 seconds?

Give it a high risk / high reward system. As for Ad rush, I think that the bonus armor needs to be a bit stronger. However, increase the cooldown time. Reward those for who like to play risky and close quarters combat. But don't allow it to where they can rely on it. Make it almost like system corruption in a way, but not too powerful

In my opinion as well, and you guys are going to yawn at me for this, they need to Nerf regen just a touch. Make it to where expertise does not apply armor Regen bonuses, at least in pve. In pvp, it should not be taken into consideration how much expertise you have which will greatly benefit your armor regen. It should only take into consideration the total armor from the base armor of the gear. I understand that expertise increases that, but that should be armor on top of the armor that you already have

[modest cedar]

Yeah I wanted more specifically deadzone and stick sensitivity I have run and med kit on paddles but more so stick and deadzone settings

[golden ermine]

Default stick sense lol, deadzone at the minimum. Stick curve is whichever works for you, try it out and test it

[golden ermine]

I think xbox has a 20% deadzone no matter what and the controller settings are just added onto that unfortunately

[wet badger]

errmmm, thats 525% CHD with the chest... ermmm

[mossy solstice]

Wonder how that will pair with backfire. Cannot wait to see the new meta "Diminishing Returns" build videos all over YT

[wet badger]

it wont matter at these astronomical values ur gonna see damage numbers you've never seen before, it becomes almost a BiS for any gun since u wont even need may stacks to match other builds, it doesnt stack fast but i can just carry an LMG and shoot behind a wall keeping stacks can i not??...

[mossy solstice]

Yay... Can't wait to see iron lung be all that's used since people just spray walls and corner peek for fire 🤦‍♀️

PvE wise, this sounds awesome... But this being a pvp channel, we know how the drill goes. Another unbalanced gearset in an unbalanced environment, making everything more and more broken

[wet badger]

iron lung, new fire mask, and CHC rolls everywhere

frenzy secondary

[tawdry pier]

shooting at walls till max stacks simulator
its like the iron lung all over again

[wet badger]

if it stacked per bullet with a much nerfed CHD value then it could be ok in PvP

[mossy solstice]

Pretty damn much. I see it becoming this

[craggy trench]

Bullet king might actually be meta....

[modest cedar]

Ok I’ll test thanks strafyr always helpful it Agt Ghoul I changed name to ayghoul we ran a few times together on Xbox

[golden ermine]

W devs

[golden ermine]

Did you test the high priority target talent and does it work in pvp?

[wet badger]

I didnt try PTS 1, BF6 was out

[limber cedar]

Fair enough

[golden ermine]

Valid

[inland tusk]

Tinkerer bug is crazy 😧

Imagine bighorn with optimist and flatline

[torpid dawn]

Do they actually ban people for doing glitches like that?

[inland tusk]

They don't ban anyone

[amber ice]

@torpid dawn Yes, but we don't know the details about them so ignore anything you read by someone that isn't an active employee of MSV.

[golden ermine]

They only ban for glitches that help the community

[lapis musk]

It's worse than what you think

Bighorn with smart cover glitch, determined, strained, streamline basically everything

Needs sorting

Game broken so sad to see