td2-pvp-discussions

[craggy trench]

It takes 3s to reach max stacks

Your other options for dmg are vigi, concussion, companion (chest and bp) and obliterate

With intimidate you can still run ad rush for sustain, and have a huge amp

[calm plinth]

it’s extremely strong still

big horn, shotguns, reg, smg

[wet badger]

WAS, then it was buffed back to almost were it was, then increased the damage lol

[ripe root]

Sustain armor wasn't problem, anyway you use adrush, concept of intimidate is about dealing most damage before you lost all of bonus armor

Old intimidate start with 1.35 and currently start with ~1.12 ,that is the different

[hollow mural]

What even is a bonk build? melee damage?

[sterile pawn]

Hi guys I have a question I want to start to pvp in this game and I have no clue what is good or bad. Does anyone have a suggestions or tips?

[placid oxide]

Melee

[inland tusk]

Because m870 exist

[craggy trench]

And regen bighorn

[wet badger]

A good rule of thumb is to inspect the people that kill you, the ones solo or duo taking on several times their numbers.

Check the SHD or Rogue kill leaderboard, however there might be some people who haven't played in a while so may be outdated.

If you just pay Attention to these key points it shouldn't be too hard to make your own builds off of what you see.

[valid bronze]

yea

[valid bronze]

howdo you do the snake 404 game thingey

secret button

[inland tusk]

What ?

[pale beacon]

is 50% haz good enough in dark zone or should i aim for 60

[golden ermine]

Should aim for 60 but 50 might be ok if you time kits correctly

[ripe root]

Aim for 80

[wet badger]

And how do you get 80 with catharsis without ruining the build?

[ripe root]

actually no way, if you run crit then 2ceska 1yaahl still possible but you have lower damage

[valid bronze]

Mine now ❤️

[craggy trench]

All meta

[wet badger]

PSA: if you're on PC be advised, the devs didn't ban any cheaters, all the same players, it's business as usual.

I hopped on last night, every server was a cheater fest, in some servers it was HvH.

This morning I got on, some rat who was the worst in his dodgy clan somehow became the best, I wound him up a little until he shamelessly toggled full RPM through the walls.

This game is done for. Nice DLC cash grab.

Back to the usual: hop on every now and then and hope the cheaters finally got bored because that's the only anti cheat this game has.

[amber ice]

Your name is inaccurate.

[golden ermine]

Unfortunate

Move to console? 😶‍🌫️

[ripe root]

judging name😂

[floral hearth]

Same on xbox. I found 5 servers all of them with lag switch and disconnecting all players. I had to spent 10 minutes finding server only to get destroyed after reaching manhunt then re searching server

It's an Infinite loop experience

[pale beacon]

why do people choose foxs prayer for 8%dtoc over something like fenris in pvp

[amber ice]

@pale beacon Fenris (and the other [specific weapon damage] brand/gearsets), scales off base damage, before red cores are applied.
And of course there's the other math stuff with dtooc.

[pale beacon]

so in the end i would hit harder with foxs prayer if i have all blue cores?

[wet badger]

Fox's scales better with more weapon damage, so more reds, more blues theres usually a better choice

[golden ermine]

Dont think it is lagswitch, game is broken rn

I had a server that had a lagspike, then noones skills would work, we could damage our own teammates, and desync spiked.
I couldnt even transfer after restarting the game.
Shi is dead and unplayable, prob gonna be on cod or the finals til div 3

[wet badger]

we had that shit too, exactly as u described, i was stacking striker on my team mates haah

[tacit pond]

no its at the same time

fenris is basically 2/3 of a red core but only for ARs

this is why weapon damage brands are more valuable on builds with armor cores

since it’s affected less by diminishing returns

[amber ice]

Sure

[valid bronze]

nvm 💔

[craggy trench]

@tacit pond is correct, brands, WD, cores and expertise are all the same

[tacit pond]

lol

thank me for teaching you next time

[golden ermine]

Oof

[mint rose]

Fenris I'd imagine

More reds you have the better foxes becomes

[amber ice]

I never said that they were wrong, what is with this weird channel.

And @tacit pond tone down the attitude.

[tacit pond]

you made it seem like i was with your response

which is why i had the attitude

[amber ice]

Well, next time think about it for a few more seconds, and the follow-up attitude is unrelated and weird.

Now, move along.

[ripe root]

I think misdirecting statement are not good attitudes, if people asking a question , anyone tell him a wrong answer, he think it's true, not even mention if people who looks authoritative

[amber ice]

I never said they were wrong, I literally agreed with them, and yet this ugh channel just has to needle and pick.
Seriously, you gotta do this today.
Just move along.

[craggy trench]

From my perspective coming it to it late it seemed like you brushed him off, that's all. Idk why Compton is being Compton though lol

[amber ice]

I've learned that if I try to interact with people here in any kind of meaningful way, they tend to just go all out attack.
So I keep it casual, mostly just ignoring it unless someone tries to start a witch-hunt, which is about once a week on average.

[craggy trench]

Yea makes sense tbh

[golden ermine]

Prob why the devs hate us

[inland tusk]

Opinions on huntsman famas in pvp?

[tepid saffron]

Famas in 2025💔

[inland tusk]

Wdym?

[golden ermine]

Famas is dookie

[inland tusk]

I am asking about huntsman famas,not the regular one

[tepid saffron]

Huntsman famas in 2025💔💔

[inland tusk]

[grizzled trout]

conflict full of cheats on pc version huh

[meager swift]

@grizzled trout guess you haven't stepped in the DZ before lol

[urban bane]

Sup peeps.

Just a question with regards to the pvp community of this game,if we were to generalise - is the community toxic?

[urban bane]

Its just always ironic how its a long time player , shd + 500.

If its +1000 i just take a gander that they dont touch grass and having a min maxed build makes them feel so damn good about themselves

And its weird how people try to flex that,like “oh I killed you dog” , uhm yes sir,because I havent run countdown 500 times to get one pair of gloves etc…

There is very little skill invloved,just actual knowledge on skills and their cooldowns and how to exploit it to the max

[wet badger]

500 SHD cannot be considered a long time player, 1k isnt either, even the casual players of this game have above 3-5k SHD, also with all the XP events and years that the SHD system has been around its hard to tell who has played the slow grind Vs who has taken advantage of every shortcut.

Yes people talk shit but they always will in a game that provides VoIP, they may not actually be trying to flex but simply wind u up, its your job not to take the bait, if u want revenge u might have to go back to the drawing board, make a build or 2 then try again when u find that same player, but in the mean time u gotta take it on the chin.

Yes the skillgap in this game is in ways quite low but there are things to learn and be good at that do show.

[urban bane]

Yeah im generalising and im “new” (shd 280), just interested in where the arrogance comes from.

It just gets to me how people thinks a build = skill. Or a full team going after 1 man is also considered skill.Its not.

Much different story when it comes to far endgame and you know the map and start abusing that as that is a skill.

Also,like you said,with voip it will always be a thing.

Wouldnt it be a good idea to have a separate dz for diff shd levels though?like 40 - 300 , 300 - 800 etc.. ?

Unless it messes with parties - but i mean if I as a player play with someone the game should choose the highest shd in the party to use for matchmaking.

[wet badger]

280.. yeah u have a long way to go still, but there is a lot of ego in this game for some weird reason.

Division is a build based game, if i die i can inspect u then swap to a build that naturally beats yours, come out, kill you, clap on you, call u shii or whatever then its your turn to do the same, but if u dont engage in this meta game then it will be always u getting 1 kill every now and then then me coming out and killing u first try simply because i have access and knowledge to swap to a particular build. Also it is meant to be played in a team, a team that can set up to cover their bases and synergise with each other, so i suggest u try to find some friends.

Full teams only pursue 1 player if they are low tier players themselves, OR they are bored and are using you to get the ball rolling by attracting other players for example, you were simply patient zero to them.

3. Are you referring to map runners? A lot of remaining teams in the game who struggle at actual PvP but enjoy being rogue do this thing where they flag on 1 player, then perpetually run around the DZ, spawning across the map to sync rogue status, they might die 10 times to get 1 manhunt (6 kills) but in the end they flaunt this as an achievement, its a weird flex, but for some its the only way, they can get a W, even if it isnt really one...

There are SHD brackets, there always has been in the past but more recently they added a 0-500, 501-1k, 1k+, you are in your own protected bracket, when u reach 1k you'll see how the game really plays out. Unfortunately this should have been implemented years ago but they did it when the game is struggling to populate servers.

[urban bane]

Yeah I know,I have a long ways to go but I also know that I dont lack skill,I fr just lack better gear.

Lmao im always off by miliseconds and then I die,just so tedious farming the same mission so many times- dont get me wrong,I understand its the game model.

And ai got myself a irl mate thats jamming with me although he is pure bait as this stage (shd 40),so I just ask him to facetank people and I flank lmao.

And no,im just referring to people knowing the dz map well enough to be able to prepare exit strategies on the fly,im referring to that as a skill .

And Ill keep a eye out,last night i was having a repeat fight with shd 2800 so idk what thats on about with the brackets in mind.

True but dzs arent always full regardless,so you would technically not have a issue soing it.

[narrow nexus]

are the new meta builds with full red?

[urban bane]

The striker build im farming is all red yeah

Yes but as mentioned prior,skill is irrelevant for the most part with a looter shooter

[narrow nexus]

^

[urban bane]

So the obvious way to combat this is to either have a ranking/skill system or divide the player base based via shd lvl.

Its safe to say a shd 2000 trumps shd 300,so why not?

The only skill would be awareness and then actual aim which if coming from any form of comp shooter like myself,is a walk in the park

They wouldnt meet less people though,they would just meet people around their own shd

And it would only be effective in dz,not raids or other content

I mean it does depend on how the playerbase is split ig but there will always be new players,regardless of content in a live service game

[narrow nexus]

dz is dead most of the time anyways

[urban bane]

Because you get steamrolled constantly as a new player so people get turned off

[narrow nexus]

yeah ion like the idea of SHD level brackets

NA servers r still more active than EU on dz anyways

[urban bane]

Pvp is dead for a reason though,im simply exploring the why.

[narrow nexus]

its dead in DZ in conflict there is activity

and its dead bcuz the actual builds that matter are hard to get despite having multiple options of farming

[urban bane]

Havent gotten to conflict so cant say much,my build aint strong enough so i dont even try lmao

[narrow nexus]

ur new?

[urban bane]

To make it easier on people that hadnt farmed specific gear

Why are you so pressed bro lmao,touch grass

For shd lvls to answer your question

[urban bane]

Soso shd 280

[pulsar vapor]

I love popping heads with this build

[urban bane]

Which would be pvp and farming gear

Which is difficult to do if you are constantly getting steamrolled

[narrow nexus]

Well funny enough you gotta be a idiot to farm DZ

[urban bane]

Which ive mentioned already but it seems you have a issue with reading

[narrow nexus]

You have countdown and summit

The loot you get in DZ is such low quality grade

its the worst decision you can take

[urban bane]

Well yeah and no,ive gotten 3 exotics in 20 mins of playtime last night - but also,running summit and countdown becomes tedious,hence dz,the pvp element keeps things fresh

[pulsar vapor]

Conflict would probably be the best way to farm loot since they give you the loot boxes if you win or lose

[urban bane]

Its like im speaking to myself smh

[narrow nexus]

and what exotics?

[urban bane]

2* pestilence and 1* taligrad chest

[urban bane]

True but my build would make me die so much,is there caps to gear capability in conflict

[narrow nexus]

pestilence the most common to drop

so useless

[pulsar vapor]

It's quite annoying in pvp tho

[narrow nexus]

depends on your build

[urban bane]

No its strong,heavily build dependant

[narrow nexus]

was surprised to find out last night that all my tank pvp builds became useless

that's not really true

persoanlly I been here since beta

and I never really cared ab drop rates or farming in general

I came cuz of the lore of the game and the PVP that was unique

in Div 1

things kinda went downhill in year 2 when they decided to remove the talents for all pieces

that's when the fun was ruined for me

Perfect Clutch builds

were peak

Perfect Berserk

Perfect Spark

with Merciless

[pulsar vapor]

Was merciless actually viable at some point?

[narrow nexus]

holy shit it was mad

the talent it has rn is stupid

[pulsar vapor]

Ah

[narrow nexus]

the only issue I saw with the game back in the day was not the hard builds

[pulsar vapor]

I joined right after 2.0

[narrow nexus]

but the fact that you could not choose what to farm

[pulsar vapor]

South dz is always getting the most action

[tepid saffron]

Idk why u try to interact with the PvP community @amber ice they are weird

[pulsar vapor]

So I can rage bait folks

Commit some tomfoolery

[dawn lava]

Is the catalyst pvp viable?

[tranquil sonnet]

no, it's bugged

When it's fixed though, would probably work nice with umbra Iron Lung

[dawn lava]

do we have any clue as to when the fix is coming?

[sullen oracle]

not yet

[sullen oracle]

bit of late answer, exotics had holstered talents that were things that were still active even if the gun was just on your back, for merciless it was just a flat chance for one shot to deal extra explosive damage, the gun itself was worthless outside of that

[tranquil sonnet]

Not that I know of

[pulsar vapor]

Ah

[turbid grail]

Whoever invited me here thankyou!

[golden ermine]

Guns had holster talents and merciless would proc sparked

[pulsar vapor]

Ooo

[severe sequoia]

Can some explain if it's a bug or something but there's so many rouges sitting in the regular dz checkpoints and the turrents are just ignoring them

[pulsar vapor]

It's a bug

[rain sparrow]

its not a bug theres blindspots in the checkpoints that the turrents cant see you in

[pulsar vapor]

No way

[wet badger]

It is a bug, turrets deal no damage in this patch. Good change though, turrets are aids and help no one

[golden ermine]

"Its not a bug" bro was confident

[sly skiff]

why do i barely run into anyone in darkzone

[inland tusk]

Different dz shd brackets

[floral hearth]

New players are locked on the 1 - 999 level bracket

Trust me, theres many newbie players rigth now

[silent carbon]

Is there much value to running DZ for gear drops?

[wet badger]

Not at all, just for exclusives.

[pale beacon]

whats a good build to counter umbra iron lung

[red arrow]

regen build+ pestilence+ foam

it works for me

[calm plinth]

fire sticky or foam with anything

[vague goblet]

why dz so empty ??

[red arrow]

people play the new dlc

[winter cypress]

Which DZ get most traffic from players?

[pulsar vapor]

South

The staircase next the main entrance is usually a warzone

[mossy solstice]

streamlined needs a serious nerf in pvp. the damage bonuses you get off of it with 6 blue cores is wild

[limber cedar]

I hate the fact that the ravenous explosion only shows the HP left on the enemy player and not the total damage that you are dealing. I don't know why they made the explosive damage show this kind of number unlike other damages like a headshot damage for example.

[dawn lava]

do people deadass leave the dark zone when there's someone running mortar

it's the fourth time it happens

manhunt group close to spawn
i pull out my mortar and sticky/shield/trap

i kill them
everyone leaves the dz

mind you, people of different groups also leave the dz

[pulsar vapor]

The mortar is kinda annoying to deal with tbh

[dawn lava]

i use mortar with gc

when i'm on mortar i'm made of paper

even though i don't need to

ig i'll change my build

[wet badger]

Mortar has a million counters and people still refuse to even try to deal with it, major skill issue.

Kinetic Momentum is better than glass, glass is only good if they're door camping u at safe room and u have no time to build stacks.

[wet badger]

I'm not on board for this one, yeah it's good damage but they can't use skills, that's a major drawback.

What build are u having issues with anyway.

6 blue, Streamline.. I can't figure out what they'd be using.

[mossy solstice]

They're running crit + Regen builds but all blue. I've tried fighting with a mix of builds I have and the more blues they strip off their build, the worse I get melted for

It's when they aren't using their skills of course is when I get melted. As soon as they swap to their secondary (whatever it was) I noticed I took a lot less damage

[wet badger]

crit and regen? theres no way that does any damage

[mossy solstice]

Somehow, some way, it does with the new talent Streamlined. It gets worse when they swap builds that have differing cores. Even the hidden sniper nemesis build will dump truck damage with streamlined. On umbra it's even worse

I've even seen high end builds melt like they're all reds and they had like 4 blues on their builds. WITH that talent on their gun

The talent imo truly needs to be nerfed for PvP

[hollow mural]

What kind of build would I use the devils due perfect clucth for?

[dire kestrel]

What’s balance?

[dire kestrel]

Umbra dark zone toxic stream build coming right up 🤣

W overlord

Just wait until the tinkerer mask comes out streamlined w killer? I mean 😭

[pale beacon]

anybody getting this in dz today??

[urban bane]

Anyone that can give me a decent striker build with good survivability?

[hollow mural]

strikers but 4 blue

and bighorn

[inland tusk]

Tell that to them 2 tap shotty builds with brazen

[inland tusk]

5,he/she is on console,meta is 6 blues,5 blues for more experienced players

[urban bane]

I farmed that yesterday so im running 4 piece all blue with crit dmg and chance.

Fenrir Chest with obliterate and then grupo gloves with all red. (i have a pair of grupo gloves with blue)

Im rocking eagle bearer with that just because im use to it,you say bighorn,can I farm it in countdown?

[urban bane]

Agh hell,here we go again🫠

Havent done a leggy in a minute

[hollow mural]

you could farm the level 10 summit floor boss. Run the room kill the boss but not the adds then return to lobby.

[urban bane]

Saved me allot of time chief,appreciate it

Why the bighorn?

Havent played in a minute and id like to get to understand builds properly

[mossy solstice]

I just got one myself yesterday! Yes! Which DZ? Mine was in South next to Checkpoint B in that landmark

But it wasn't satiated tho. It was the actual Ravenous. Just woke up and didn't read the name only the picture 😂

[mossy solstice]

You have to get close close up with those. Streamlined on pretty much anything seems to be broken as it gives alot of damage for doing basically nothing. AR's have decent distance meanwhile shotguns don't. I'd rather face a shotty build than someone running Streamlined

[hollow mural]

would updating this to streamline be better?

i mean the 1886

[mossy solstice]

Hard to say, really. This is a pvp build????

[hollow mural]

yes

[mossy solstice]

Uh

[hollow mural]

its ungabunga dmg + pulse rez

[mossy solstice]

But squishy tho. I could breathe on you with 2 blues 4 reds and you're already kissing the ground. Glass makes you even moreso squishy

[hollow mural]

also correct. the idea is either hit first or play the sidelines

[mossy solstice]

For close up, this is just no. This is meant for distance. Ditch the shotgun, ditch the shield. Not worth it. Instead, take an AR with streamlined. You can leave Virginian on if desired. Ditch shield for decoy

If you're pulse immune may as well hide your nameplate in the process

[hollow mural]

the shotgun is for pve if needed.
decoy is a good idea tho

[mossy solstice]

Pvp, ditch it. Take a streamline AR (can't believe im suggesting the very thing I hate rn)

[hollow mural]

Ill test it out. Ive grown to enjoy the ksg lol

[mossy solstice]

In conflict id dare say remove firewall and go sharpshooter for the drone

Or just use remote pulse

[hollow mural]

just any ar or the perfect one?

[mossy solstice]

Lud hits hard but you'll want a high rate of fire AR. Famas would be king. Don't take f2k because of lack of mod slots

Lexington would be good but not all players have that gun

Has?

Whatever

[hollow mural]

have 2

[mossy solstice]

Same. I'd still recommend a Famas over lex in this instance because you're squishy. In an emergency you want that extra rate of fire for quicker burst DPS

[hollow mural]

Thats fair. Tbh if I get looked at I die

but making somebody fear for their life with 1 shot is super funny

[mossy solstice]

The lack of decoy in pvp on this type of build would be why. Most good players will target a squishy build first

They typically deal the most damage OR they're good headshot proc with EB. Once they got that proc'd, kiss your squad goodbye

[hollow mural]

I need to get better gloves 😭

[mossy solstice]

If your goal is to hit first, you'll wanna be stealthy

[mossy solstice]

Clan vendor frequently sells Yaahl gear. Idk if they are now but check clan vendor when you can. Buy a shit load of Yaahl and decon them. Then craft you some better ones

[hollow mural]

yeah ik ive just been lazy tbh

would you say its better to be 99% pulse res or 100%? since at 99% you still get the ping.

[mossy solstice]

100% pulse res is always more beneficial than having no pulse res

I personally stay away from using Yaahl builds because I find they're a bit niche if not well built. I have a dream Yaahl build but honestly Sys Corr works for what I need it to

[hollow mural]

I havent seen it but at 99% it cant be visible for that long right?

[mossy solstice]

Very brief I think, hoping they're not running expertise in the DZ

Expertise makes the effect longer

[hollow mural]

ah

bless be the pluse

Thank you for the input @mossy solstice 💕

[mossy solstice]

I got you 🔥 per chance do you have blue screen?

[hollow mural]

I do

[mossy solstice]

Okay, @placid oxide my bro needs to know if getting marks with Bluescreen, and SWAPPING OFF THE GUN, do the marks still stay?

I know Strega marks will stay, but idk if Bluescreen marks will

[hollow mural]

a very short ammount of time

long answer no

[mossy solstice]

@placid oxide ^^ basically not long enough to be worth it

Appreciate the feedback 🔥

[mossy solstice]

This is my dream Yaahl setup

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/IwWgTCDMKqAsA2EAGFbUfegXJA7OFDIWKJuVubgJyHQTAGQAclbFyucdhH772RCDip6-Ph2xhuwaNDLjFnYK26pgEMKKR5akiN3ww48uAFZjMofpMwLSCypAJQ1CJOC4CCHdAnYCYFgJFCA

[pulsar vapor]

This but with my main sniper build

[limber cedar]

This is literally my ravenous system corruption build, it's like surrender or boom

[grizzled trout]

melee builds got nerfed in conflict lol ?

no longer deals decent dmg

[limber cedar]

Are you playing properly, like, in the right timing with the shield and everything?

[grizzled trout]

yeah

doing like 290k per hit

[limber cedar]

Claws out with lady death?

[grizzled trout]

yeah

[limber cedar]

Did you get any Ping in the middle of the match like some delay, packet loss, something like that?

That is the only explanation, because the shield activation could be later and mess with the damage numbers you know

[grizzled trout]

probably haha

[balmy rapids]

amyone got a good dpi/ in game sense leaned towards dz game play

[dawn lava]

is it possible to melt people while also being a behemoth?

[limber cedar]

What?

[dawn lava]

nvm

[golden ermine]

Bighorn

Regen

[dawn lava]

already tried it, i'm still too squishy

it feels like everyone lands all of their shots on my head

while i can only land a few at all

and when i do they do little damage

[golden ermine]

Skill issue

Bh is stack based, rewards aggressiveness, gotta build stacks first to do dps

[pulsar vapor]

Does sandman do anything in pvp?

[craggy trench]

Yes

Can instakill agent under 20% armor iirc

[pulsar vapor]

O

[inland tusk]

Now imagine shotty with streamline 😂

[mossy solstice]

It likely won't work since most shotty builds are shield pops. Streamlined doesn't work with skills

[wet badger]

The stash build, it's honestly one of the best stash pieces, and thanks to the increased stash it escapes a clean out!

[wet badger]

I'm not sure what the above advice was regarding Famas > Lexington.

There is no build or situation where you pick a Famas over the Lexington.

[inland tusk]

Nobody uses shield on shotty, unless xbox

[mossy solstice]

Not even firewall? Popshotting is huge on PC

[inland tusk]

No need,shotty Adrenaline rush & intimidate already 1 shots most builds up close

[dire kestrel]

Streamlined is absolute bananas

[hollow mural]

I dont understand why I never find people in the dz lol

[limber cedar]

Because it's dark, players like illuminated places.

[narrow nexus]

any new pvp builds?

[blazing shale]

Any guide for pvp beginners? Explaining stuff like what's good, what's not, why pulse resistance is good, what skills are good in what circumstances etc...

[golden ermine]

Nope

[floral hearth]

The practice is the way my son. You have to be ready to die a lot and don't be afraid of it

Keep training your build and search for a meta

[golden ermine]

Trial by fire

[floral hearth]

Explaining will take hours (not paid)

[golden ermine]

I thought about making vids on that but im rarely on div anymore

Games dead

[blazing shale]

I mean I already know placement, clicking head, OP flame specialization repair kit and stuff, so i think I have most of the mechanical skills for it. Prob have 1000+ hours on division 1 but was wondering if there was a one cover all video for builds and other meta stuff, or if you just had to go retrieve each of those pieces on your own

[blazing shale]

Pvp always was dead in the franchise

[golden ermine]

Nope, pvp was litty on div 1 and prewarlords div 2

[blazing shale]

Ig, but farming noob gets boring pretty fast

When the game is popular, barely anyone knows how to play, or even why meta stuff are meta

Thanks for the answers tho 👍

[mossy solstice]

#td2-build-advice in this channel that I mentioned, take a visit to the pinned messages. There is a build spreadsheet within that channel. Within it, there are beginner PVP builds. They should help you out in the long run

[blazing shale]

Thanks I'll check this out

[pulsar vapor]

I developed my doctrine for specialized snipers

Don't stick too close your team
Nor too far
Just behind them so can watch them and covered them

Your purpose is not to rack up kills but to help your team get kills or soften up any upcoming opponent's looking for a fight/ In a fight

Don't stay in one spot for too long, eventually the entire enemy team will rush you specially

You will unfortunately have to use your teammates as bait to get others to peek

You'll at least need one tanky to pull any of this off

[dire kestrel]

Well Lexington is the best high end AR says so the spreadsheet. Guess i ain’t doing PvP 🤣

[wet badger]

The FAL is still really good.

[dire kestrel]

I know I’m just being silly.

[inland tusk]

What about Honey Badger and Shieldsplinter?

[mossy solstice]

Lack of mods make both those guns ass imo. Shield splint can sorta keep up on umbra but realistically you could throw any high end AR on umbra and it'll melt. Same for any SMG or LMG (pestilence for sure 😑)

[mossy solstice]

A Famas keeps up just as much. Not a lot of people have the Lexington or really use the Lexington in pvp. It's mostly pestilence plagued rn

[inland tusk]

HB has decent dmg and rpm

[mossy solstice]

All fun & games till someone is running pulse immune system corruption or Yaahl

[inland tusk]

What does pulse immunity have to do with Honey Badger(HB) and its 800 RPM?

[mossy solstice]

Because every person knows HB stands for heartbreaker 🤦‍♀️ I've never seen anyone use HB for "Honey Badger". The acronyms are literally pinned in one of the main channels

[inland tusk]

I don't read pinned stuff

[mossy solstice]

Clearly

But yes the damage is okay and so is the RPM. Lack of mods is what makes it unoptimal on crit setups. You'll be Crit starved with a honey badger

Maybe on a mostly crit high end setups you'll be fine but there's sadly better options than the honey badger. They need to give it more mod slots to make me consider taking it

[inland tusk]

Unless demo with 7% chc underbarrel mod,then u lack only 3% chc 😂

[mossy solstice]

3, but situationally, let's factor coyote in. You'll need to be mid range or long range to make up for those lack of crits. Mid range is achievable yes, but is it 100% guaranteed? I'd argue no. You'll end up eventually getting into a fight at close range. Which then the optimal performance of the honey badger drops (in terms of crits)

[blazing shale]

Does hazard resistance works against pestilence?

[mossy solstice]

No. The only counter to pestilence is literally don't get shot or pop a firewall medkit. Or spec heavily into armor regen

You can use healing skills to heal thru it but you'll need the skill tiers for that. I'm unsure if a defender drone works with damage reduction on Pestilence ticks. Worth testing for sure

I know the Provocator chest works but that's ass at best

[blazing shale]

That sucks. But another thing i don't understand is the hype around armor regen. From what I saw in most builds, you can only get 3.5% armor regen per second, does it really make that much of a difference when every fight end in 5 seconds at most if you get up close?

[mossy solstice]

Pestilence imo needs a slight rate of fire nerf

[blazing shale]

Even with a rof nerf, you could always use umbra with it

[mossy solstice]

It's heavily hyped due to firewall + perfectly efficient. Also, umbra needs a rate of fire nerf in my opinion as well. Just a slight nerf

With perf efficient, you can spam insta kits every few seconds AND it'll nearly double or triple your armor kits due to not consuming them (75% chance)

[blazing shale]

Yeah but like, firewall is already enough to sustain you, that 3.5% that the whole build is based around won't add much compared to smth like a 4 piece striker

[mossy solstice]

Sure but how often do you have full striker stacks?

[blazing shale]

Fair

[mossy solstice]

I can drop Regen builds with underperforming sys corr

Easily

[blazing shale]

System corruption is still worth it rn?

[mossy solstice]

It's a matter of hitting shots, strafing, and playing aggressive. Close range Regen is a monster but still hard to fight. Movement and aggression is key

[mossy solstice]

Absolutely not. It underperforms heavily. But it has its uses

[blazing shale]

Rip

I don't understand how repair kit didn't get changed to just be instant like in division 1. And firewall kit is so broken that it's the only specialization that's worth to take in pvp

Slows the game so much imo

But it is what it is ig

But anyways, the meta rn is pestilence you said, is it in the dz or conflict?

[mossy solstice]

Div 2 has the worst pvp in terms of balancing. They'll likely never revamp it. It's meta in both. That's all you'll ever see is Regen builds or pestilence

Sometimes they're paired together

[blazing shale]

I had success solo in the dz running striker iron horn but it's probably cause I'm below shd 500

[blazing shale]

Sucks

[mossy solstice]

Wait until you hit SHD 1k in the DZ. All you'll see is shd 10k+

Striker is only good in dz bc you have landmarks to get stacks

No stacks striker, you're likely to kiss the ground when jumped

[blazing shale]

Yep, already happened a couple of times

[blazing shale]

Does shd above 1k matters that much?

[pulsar vapor]

Yes
There's brackets that separate players who are under 1k

Once you get to 1k
They just mush you with the rest the player base
Aka you'll probably see a 10k shd running around

[blazing shale]

I meant, is the advantage a 10k shd agent has over a 1k shd agent that big?

It only gives around 27k health no?

[inland tusk]

Nobody uses coyote in pvp when u have catharsis

[mossy solstice]

I hardly if anyone see anyone use catharsis in pvp on PC. The only ones who do are using Regen builds. Or high armor strikers. Majority of the time I'm seeing coyote bc the close range buff is so much better than relying on catharsis stacks

[mossy solstice]

Yes. You'll have watch benefits. Also, after SHD 2k, health buffs no longer apply

[mossy solstice]

The difference between console pvp build choices and PC pvp build choices for sure vary

[blazing shale]

It doesn't stop after 1k shd? You can still upgrade the stats after maxing everything on the watch?

[mossy solstice]

Boxes stats wise will be done at SHD 1k. Health benefits stop at 2k

[blazing shale]

So there is no difference between 2k shd and 10k then?

[mossy solstice]

Nope. Just the experience and materials they earn from their watch

[blazing shale]

Ah okay

[mossy solstice]

It's likely that a high SHD level has more expertise than say somebody at SHD 512

I'm expertise 30 @ SHD 14,432

[blazing shale]

Yeah fs

[mossy solstice]

I have 12,349 watch points to dump for materials. I won't run out for a long long time

[blazing shale]

But I got confused thinking shd gave you bonuses after 1k shd on the watch

[mossy solstice]

Nope. These boxes are done at SHD 1k. At SHD 2k, you stop receiving health bonuses. It used to continuously give you health benefits but they nerfed that

Eventually, if you reached a high enough shd, you'd be at 1 million health. Imagine 2 million armor, 1 million health. That would be broken

[blazing shale]

Yeah 💀

Cause I read somewhere it kept giving health infinitely so I was like "thats pretty broken"

Good thing it was nerfed

[mossy solstice]

I'd like to see umbra and pesti get a slight rate of fire nerf, true patriot to get a buff, and sys Corr to get a buff. As well as a complete pvp rebalance. Specialist needs rework as well. We were promised that years ago. Well, the DLC is out now. Now would be a good time for gear rework and specialists

As well as fix old bugs

[blazing shale]

Division 1 situation all over again

They're gonna start putting out updates to fix the game and announce at the same time end of service

With ubisoft going pretty bad, I don't even know if division 3 is gonna be a thing so yeah, might not even happen

I still find ttk way too fast in division 2 compared to the first one

[inland tusk]

Pc everyone sit next to a corner,on console everyone pushes u 🤣

[mossy solstice]

Pixel peek? Yeah because people have their whole arms to aim meanwhile console is locked to joysticks and triggers

[inland tusk]

Unless cronus or xim

[blazing shale]

What do those even do nowadays? Back in division 1, it allowed to plug mouse and keyboard or put scripts, like the old rapid fire aim assist spam shotgun script. But in the division 2? What do you even do with those?

[mossy solstice]

It's for sticky aim and scripts. And last to my knowledge those were hardware banned on consoles so they shouldn't work. You can abuse rotational aim assist by staying moving while aiming. People confuse rotational aim assist sometimes with "Cronus" like behavior. Again, my point this whole time is Console PVP and PC PVP is night and day difference. Take a guess which one is more hardcore

[blazing shale]

What's sticky aim? And yeah, pc pvp is way harder and cheats are way more unbalanced. On console, you can beat most hardwares that aren't straight connection hacks like lag switch or ddos, but there is close to none aim bot or wall hackers on console afaik

You could beat cronus users with game knowledge and well placed nades, can't beat rpm hackers tho

[mossy solstice]

Sticky aim = aim that never leaves its target. Basically stays on the target but not perfect

Beating cheaters on console is easy. On PC, HA. Good luck

[blazing shale]

How tho? Isn't it supposed to be an input script without being able to pull informations from the game

[blazing shale]

Wouldn't say easy but if you know they cheat, there is definitely a work around it

[mossy solstice]

I have not a clue since I don't need a Cronus to play good 😂 all raw skill

[blazing shale]

Taken that they're not the best players either

[blazing shale]

True

[amber ice]

Just a reminder to not discuss exploits explicitly.
Carry on.

[inland tusk]

Is lagswitch and scripts considered exploits?

[amber ice]

@inland tusk That was not a suggestion, I don't want to have to remove people over this.

[inland tusk]

I don't know what is an exploit so i was asking if the said is considered an exploit

[amber ice]

You offering to show people exploits is what prompted the message, obviously.

This is not a matter of discussion, this is a hard line that we have to draw. Move along from this topic, please.

[golden ermine]

The ego pushes on console are immaculate

[woeful bear]

Haven't played in a couple years. Are ridgeway/vector bleed builds still viable?

Primarily dz

[golden ermine]

No

[woeful bear]

Thanks

[calm plinth]

console players are just really bad

[golden ermine]

*special

[inland tusk]

Nah everyone is bad

[red arrow]

Do consoles have aim assist?

[mossy solstice]

Yes. On PC it exists as well. There are exploits that allow MNK players to have controller aim assist. I know the methods behind it but won't share it as it's cheating and I don't agree with it

[red arrow]

the aim assist was present by default for consoles, I'm not sure if it was the same for pc

It's no wonder that console gamers who move to PC find it harder to aim than PC gamers.

[golden ermine]

Idk man, kong said he smoked that pc player pack

[mossy solstice]

You also have to take into account that the movement difference in console vs PC is night and day. On PC you can spam quicker inputs and strafe alot crazier. On console you're limited to how many inputs you can feed the game. I can spam W-A-S and flick my camera everywhere. On console you don't really have that freedom. Same with controller on PC

[red arrow]

true

[golden ermine]

I cant aim on keys ngl. I actually aim better on controller no AA than keys tbh

[mossy solstice]

I used to be decent at keys until the nerve damage in my wrists got worse. now I can't really play because the movement spam required to actually PVP here on PC is a bit too much for me. Which is why I'm basically locked to controller. Nevermind the fact I also choose to play with little to no expertise on 90% of my builds. I'm not only handicapped, but my power compared to other hardcore players in DZ is next to unmatched VS them. It's by no means being used as an excuse, anybody can win, but those handicaps definitely play a big role

I could up my expertise (I'm exp 30) on my gear but I feel like I'm wasting resources just for power creep. I'd rather switch my tactics and overcome my opponent

[inland tusk]

Is it me or a lot of msgs got deleted😂

[gritty wharf]

What is the pvp meta?

[floral hearth]

What a difficult question on a loot game

[inland tusk]

Best dark zone build rn?

[gritty wharf]

Yeah

[proud dew]

Anyone Got a good pvp Dark zone Build???

[tepid saffron]

Umbra

[tepid saffron]

Umbra

[tepid saffron]

Umbra

[proud dew]

Any pics?

[calm plinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1207684791227654184/1363139134394466506/image.png?ex=68497fbf&is=68482e3f&hm=7cae53c3388361bd98a3bdea44f0fb37cf001d9df021f4f5691090b199e31bc7&

@proud dew

the pulse can/should be changed depending on what you need (reviver/pulse/decoy/defender drone)

[proud dew]

Thanks mate

[fossil portal]

For the walker harris piece, could that be exchanged for Groupo? Or would that result in less damage?

[mossy solstice]

Keep W&H on it. It gives you more damage to armor. Almost all PVP players will have armor. Only time they don't is when they lost their armor. Capacitor also has Damage to Armor

It's worth it for the double dipping

I'd argue ditching lefty for an L86 LMG, or an RPK. Have Kard TDI custom be for sledge proc instead of orbit. You'll get more out of Kard TDI. Basically swap to pistol when using the pulse

[calm plinth]

u can sub for gila for more tankiness but thats it

[fossil portal]

Also you use technician too? For that umbra build

This build is crazy asf btw, I’ve been changing between that and my armor regen haz pro bighorn whenever people start running skulls and Im in like a 20 streak in conflict (im not counting the cheater losses) 😭

[inland tusk]

Umbra has always been strong, problem is no chest talent

[fossil portal]

True, squishy asf, but if you always shoot first then you win your 1v1s and sometimes 1v2s

[calm plinth]

you can use tech or fire

[blazing shale]

How do you counter umbra? I'm so sick of that bs, and it's such an annoying playstyle

Like "ahah please rush me while I stack for sitting in cover"

"Imma pixel peak you and you'll die in 3 seconds even if you have 2 million armor"

[pulsar vapor]

Status effect build

They burn so quickly if you use the Ortiz set

Honestly any skill build with a hive

[blazing shale]

Without skill builds?

Nvm, I'm just gonna use foam

[amber ice]

@sudden kestrel You're looking for #lfg-xbox, GL Agent

[calm plinth]

depends on where you are

but yeah they’re pretty weak to fire sticky and foam in general and in situations where they can’t get stacks just gotta play around your skills

[blazing shale]

I mostly play the dz solo, and it's the one build that I struggle against. If 2 people run umbra, it's not even worse trying them, I just get melted instantly and I have no counter play against them apart from running away. Even in conflict it's tough. 4 people camping in spawn in cover with umbra, waiting for anyone to move

Best counter play I found is wait for them to push me, pixel peak and keep distance, which is very boring and I need to be able to run in a perfect environment

[golden ermine]

Try emp stagger when they go to build stacks( or fire sticky)

[blazing shale]

Yeah but the thing is, they get stacks before they enter my line of sight, and if they need to make stacks in combat, they hide between ally, go behind cover for 3 sec and they're back at it

1v1 is fine

But 1 guy running umbra in a duo or trio is pain

[golden ermine]

Hard to fight teams now, best advice I got is to keep moving and try to get the umbras in a bad spot and smoke them first

[pulsar vapor]

Have a sniper that can pick them off while they try to fight you or bait them into a hive or something

[quiet plinth]

is anyone even playing conflict

matchmaking is dead

[calm plinth]

well you’re not really supposed to win a 1v2+ anyways

atp you just gotta get better

[blazing shale]

You can when someone doesn't get rewarded striker stacks for sitting into cover

[calm plinth]

there are players here who i’ve seen 1v6 servers just by good skill/cover/positioning usage

[blazing shale]

I don't mind dying because I didn't break line of sight, bad positioning, too much people shooting at me or even foam to some extent. But dying cause I let someone sit into cover for 5 seconds without any outplay potential other than running away kinda doesn't add anything interesting or fun to the game. Even striker in dz requires more work to get stacks off of npcs

[calm plinth]

at the end of the day 90% of pvpers are pretty bad i’m sure if you posted your deaths we could tell you what you did wrong

[blazing shale]

Yeah, my point was mainly how to counter umbra and turned into a rant against umbra, not against how unfair it is to 1v6 cause that's the point of it

[pulsar vapor]

Yea
I can only think of a skill build and wait for them to come to you and whip out the hive or flame turret

[calm plinth]

fire sticky and run

[pulsar vapor]

It's a 50 50 that it'll land in it's radius

[amber ice]

@inland token You're looking for #td2-clan-recruitment, GL Agent

[mystic fiber]

Is there something wrongn with perfect opportunistic in pvp it takes me sometimes like 4 shots before it shows up on a player

[sonic shadow]

Against 4 Umbras you're going with 4 Skill builds, make them annoyed 💅

Full mortars, full hives, don't let em out of spawn lol

[golden ermine]

Meant solo against teams

[pulsar vapor]

Skill build is still your best bet

Or fight fire with fire and join them

[inland tusk]

Umbra better then Stryker for dps in conflict ?

[golden ermine]

100%

Matter of fact, striker is str8 dookie in conflict

[sonic shadow]

Damn, anyways if you wanna be hated - skill builds

I mean against Umbra, as solo, perhaps a regulus hs build could work if you can land headshots

[sonic shadow]

What are your builds with system corruption, is it overall worth to use nowdays knowing that this set is such a headache to accomplish?

[wet badger]

You never pick a regulus build to combat Umbra, you pick Umbra to combat the Shield. Shoot sticky > stagger > kill.

It's that easy.

[sonic shadow]

My bad example, true. So you kill Umbra with basically anything if you stagger it lol

[wet badger]

Not really, an Umbra player can be quite tanky, they can roll and land shots off the roll.

I'm saying that if someone has a shield you can just go Umbra with any sticky, hit the sticky and beam them, ur crits are so damn high that they'll die unless they are a full tank which they usually aren't.

[late agate]

Any good builds to run with ouroboros?

[red arrow]

full tank with armor regen, good 1 v 1 when they have status builds

[late agate]

Full tank?

Sounds good

[mossy solstice]

Hey, heavy sys Corr user/advocate here,

Sys Corr in 2025 doesn't even compete. Unless in groups or 1v1's. Don't bother with it. The armor cooldown and the AoK requirements makes it difficult to use. It is not nearly as viable as any other set. It's good to have to counter cheaters with pulse immunity and a decoy. It's good in 1v1's and it's fairly okay in groups.

The set needs a heavy buff. The damage you deal VS the damage you take is now unbalanced. Everything else kills faster than sys corr. At the time, it was basically another form of Yaahl but as a gearset. Anti-Pulse "meta". Now it's no different than a self-proc Heartbreaker set

Additionally, the backpack on Sys Corr is a must. Expertise on the gearset pieces as well is a must. Inarguable on expertise and the backpack, unless we are talking about memento. Which, as we come full circle here, the damage output isn't enough to get kills to get those trophies. It's not bad at farming landmarks when paired with Intimidate... But still, what's the point of farming landmarks and not being able to kill players when in between? Or being ambushed?

You're better off with strikers at that point. Or even umbra. Or Regen bighorn.

I wish the meta wasn't like this, but that's how the game is now

It is okay at Conflict. Just take a 3b3r setup with Ouroboros. Soko chest w unbreakable, coyote mask, 4 PC sys Corr rolled for 1 red, 3 armor, all pieces CHD. Decoy skill, second skill can be anything. I'd take demo for the extra damage to targets out of cover for the group. Or gunner for more AoK. Could even run sharpshooter for the spotter drone. Also can take a full pulse res mod if you have a team utilizing LLP or some sorta pulse skill

Hope this all helps

[blazing shale]

Isn't conflict full of pestilence umbra camping where ouroboros won't do much since the damage drop off and precision is bad as it's an smg?

[sonic shadow]

Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated

[inland tusk]

Appreciate it got my umbra together this morning, groupo better then ceska for backpack if I’ve capped at crit already yeah ?

[mossy solstice]

That's what the usage of flanking and decoys are for. Plus, if you play it correctly, they have to chew thru over 3m armor to kill you. It's all about catching these guys off guard or not pushing at stupid moments

Grenades are also your best friend. You can throw a grenade as you quickly roll, it's a bit finicky tho

Umbra builds are weak at close range, usually, which is where sys Corr really shines

[calm plinth]

don’t run what he said 💔

striker with matador and intimidate or obliterate solkov chest if fighting 3+ people 3-4 blues or coyote and solkov chest with UB or obliterate or perfect efficient chest 3-4 blues if less than 3 people

[wet badger]

What's the damage on a full tank? 80k? What are u gonna kill with this damage?

[wet badger]

Ceska is still preferable to grupo for crit builds, build your crit around ceska instead.

[mossy solstice]

i concur with this. run this setup instead. i was giving input on somebody asking about sys corr and was letting em know its niche but still has some uses. any other build is most likely to drop sys corr. Mae here is right on the money

[calm plinth]

you’re good i was talking about redx

[mossy solstice]

(if they wanted to run sys corr, may as well give em a build for it)

[calm plinth]

i should add i think chatterbox is better than ouro if you’re fighting 2+ ppl

[inland tusk]

My crit hit was already 60 without the ceska so I went groupo for more dps

Capped out my crit and my crit damage is 138%-140%

[calm plinth]

send your build

[inland tusk]

Lemme hop on

[narrow nexus]

Can hardly find any eu pvp clan

[amber ice]

@narrow nexus Check out #td2-clan-recruitment

[inland tusk]

No coyote

With coyote

That’s only pvp tho

[amber ice]

This is the PvP channel.

[inland tusk]

I wouldn’t have guessed

[amber ice]

I've seen the chat logs, I'm never shocked.

[inland tusk]

fair enough 😂😂😂nah was just stating it for someone asking for the builds just incase you never know 😂😂😂😂

Could also go ceska mask instead of groupo

[calm plinth]

oh yeah these are more of pve builds not pvp

[inland tusk]

Not by the way my conflict been going 😂

[calm plinth]

that doesn’t mean the build is good you could be doing better

[inland tusk]

I js realised fixer is on instead of striker too

[inland tusk]

What’s bad about it ?😂

It’s a dps build all it’s supposed to be

I have a team so I’m not focused on healing or tanking cuz we got better then I could be 😂😂😂😂

[calm plinth]

run coyote ceksa

also iron lung is better

if you’re gonna run glass umbra iron lung is king

[inland tusk]

Yh I have iron lung but our other dps runs it

[calm plinth]

y’all are toxic

[inland tusk]

What 😂

Cuz we have 2 dps ?😂😂😂😂

2 dps and we’re not abusing iron lung wow toxic 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

And as you could see if you read I did say tryna swap groupo for ceska mask on the alternate

No point running ceska on the first my chc is nearly max

Getting more chd from groupo

[calm plinth]

think about what the max chc and chd roll is and how much higher ceska and grupo is from that

[inland tusk]

Mate there is no max chd and my chc is literally at max

What are you waffling about

Putting more chc on is a waste of we have coyote in the group

[calm plinth]

i tried

[inland tusk]

To waffle ? I heard 😂😂😂😂

Mate there’s no cap to chd and 60 is the chc cap 😂

So what you want me to do overcap chc instead of prioritising chd ?😂😂😂😂

[analog fiber]

I would pay to have the first dark zone put into division 2…. Does this make me crazy?

[inland tusk]

What the elites everywhere from level 1 ?😂

[wet badger]

Make sure to disable the modifiers, this season's confusing everyone on their actual chc

If u have too much chc then you have chc rolled in places where you're supposed to have CHD rolled, always roll CHD before chc on any piece, then use mods to make the difference.

[inland tusk]

I acc forgot to turn them off 😂 turned it off tho and it’s still 59% and 149% dmg appreciate that heads up tho I’ll have to recheck my loadouts 😂but yh I usually try get the highest chd I can get because I have max chc mods none chd 😂😂😂😂

[wet badger]

Also remember in conflict you also lose the watch so that's another variable u have to take into consideration, but you are low shade so that doesn't really affect you yet

[inland tusk]

Yea I was told the same to try get my builds optimised and figured out before my shd gets High and I gotta figure that out too 😂appreciate it homie ✌️saved me there tho fr I checked my striker pvp and without the modifier it was only 33% chc so upped that to 40% appreciate you 🙌🏻

[wet badger]

Yeah don't waste your precious resources on optimising ANYTHING unless it's literally 1 away from max and your OCD kicks in.

You'll be better off playing and upgrading from what u find. You'll want to play heroic content or even legendary for those max rolls if u have a competent enough squad that can run them in 20-30 mins, for the rest of us we're sitting on over 100k mats so we're chillin

[inland tusk]

Yea see i already learned that with my first striker I messed up completely trying to optimise chc stats at like 4%😂😂😂😂realised how little it adds and just decided to run targeted lockdown till I got good rolls 😂still have some improving to do on my gear for sure I think only 3/4 pieces were Perf rolls 😂

[lofty portal]

hey guys, what’s the best smg and lmg in pvp atm?

[inland tusk]

Iron lung slaps or chatterbox I like

Ouroboros everyone likes

Well most

Irony lung is a lmg chatterbox is smg

Those are just exotics tho a lot of named items are good

Purist is a good named smg too has perfect streamline

No one asked ur input mae😂

[amber ice]

@inland tusk If you post on a public forum, people are allowed to respond.

[inland tusk]

It’s a joke 😂😂😂😂😂

Hardly think I reign domain over the comments 😂😂😂😂😂

[amber ice]

You're going to use up the global supply of cry-laughing emojis.

[inland tusk]

Don’t worry I have a stockpile 😂😂

[calm plinth]

no offense but conflict is not real pvp, it’s the equivalent of going into a custom game of bots on cod

i’m sure the purist works there but in real pvp no

[inland tusk]

Dz pvp and conflict are ofc different but it’s situational to say the least that’s why I listed it last 😂😂😂😂I’ve had luck with it maybe 2/3 times in cqc when my main is empty that’s all since he’s running lmg/smg though the High rpm smg be better for him 😂but I did try your ceska switch too btw just didn’t suit my build honestly I was just losing chc but appreciate the input ✌️

[lofty portal]

conflict is so ass

[inland tusk]

I like it honestly 😂

[lofty portal]

maybe on ps

but pc was so sweaty and full of cheaters

[calm plinth]

i don’t see how you’d be losing stats with ceska

[inland tusk]

Because my chc was overcapping and I’m losing the chd bonus from the groupo

I was getting 68 chc with 120 ish chd but with groupo its 59% chc with 140% without globals

[calm plinth]

reroll 2 chc slots

[inland tusk]

Only have 2 chc slots on my ceska build

3 on my groupo

That’s the ceska

That’s the groupo

If I reroll one it’s about the same tbf

See I switch to umbra 4 and ceska chest is we have enough coyote dps tho

So I do see where ur coming from

[calm plinth]

i’d rather 56/144 than 59/140 they are probably negligible damage wise but with 56 you are doing more damage with coyote when they’re farther than 10m

[inland tusk]

Idk I just prefer the 50 chc and 150 chd tbh I feel like I slap more in conflict situations but see I barley run dz and if I do it’s solo 😂and that’s why I like the cap at 50 because with coyote I’ll be at 60 anyways from the 15-25m then and my chd goes to 160

That’s without modifiers on too

With mods on my chc goes to 56% on my groupo

I’ll try ur idea for a few games honestly can’t knock it before I try

[proud dew]

Anyone Got a good pvp dz Build??

[calm plinth]

@proud dew https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1207684791227654184/1363139134394466506/image.png?ex=684d743f&is=684c22bf&hm=581e386e79426ac2b276f273da5ca7cfa1dcbd4346a8a9f58a6a12b468276fe0&

[narrow nexus]

I did and there's nun there

[narrow nexus]

I would use Strega or smth different and 2 blue cores at least

You need more survivability in DZ if you ask me

[inland tusk]

It’s for conflict

Don’t run dz unless solo tbh so wouldn’t run full red solo 😂

Hate the Strega tho honestly do people like it 😂

[narrow nexus]

Only for the dmg

If you use St Elmo I would have smth with 110% Status Effect

[inland tusk]

What would give that I’m only about a week into the game I didn’t know you could give 110%😂😂😂😂😂

[narrow nexus]

Yeah there are some nasty builds you can try

Rn I am trynna piece a hazpro build for the backfire

But I can't seem to find the right pieces

[inland tusk]

Ohhhhhh are you on about switching from an all red core to switch some of them for the yellow status affect ones ?

[narrow nexus]

You can also use on going gear set

[limber cedar]

You putting 😂 on every message is like me putting on every message.

[narrow nexus]

On going memento golan wyvern

[inland tusk]

If you got a problem cry about it honestly 😂😂😂😂

[inland tusk]

Ahhhh appreciate it bro I’ll have a look into it mate appreciate the advice ✌️

[limber cedar]

Quite the opposite, I love using this guy --> <--

[inland tusk]

My bad everyone been getting at me for being happy 😂😂 it’s literally a comfort thing like I don’t think everyone realises I’m basically like that 24/7 laughing and smiling and shi😂😂

[narrow nexus]

Use Capacitator if you want to run a yellow core

Capacitator is mad good Umbra

[narrow nexus]

Umbra mask chest holster ninja backpack and a fenris

Or a ceska

Or a grupo

Ur console right?

[inland tusk]

Oooo I got a Max roll capacitor witch I been waiting for a good build to use appreciate it bro I’m gunna start putting one together straight away tbh 😂appreciate you bro that’s gunna save me the search I have all of that apart from fenris and yh bro ps

[narrow nexus]

I mean you can use anything else not just Fenris

You need 3 pieces of Umbra and the Ninja backpack for its talent

And you can use on console the attacker drone to poke

While shooting

So you also make use of capacitator talent

[inland tusk]

Shiiiii I’m screenshotting this advice bro I won’t lie 😂😂😂I appreciate it bro I literally have everything I need already so I’m just gunna put it together you’re a g bro 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[narrow nexus]

To make capacitator stronger you need a yellow core per say

So its either memento backpack or ninja

Up to tou

Tbh

If you do DZ run deflector

And anything else

I wanna try a Umbra with Catharsis build

If I ever get it

😭

[calm plinth]

you run umbra like this

or make the reds yellow if you want a stronger sticky

pulse can be defender drone or revive hive

[narrow nexus]

Also why is everyone using lefty now

[calm plinth]

sledge

[narrow nexus]

Is sledgehammer not good anymore?

I run sledgehammer for 10 more amm9

[calm plinth]

lefty gives perfect talent

you’re only using it for the talent

[narrow nexus]

Sledgehammer also perfect

Oh shit

I am mistaking the name

Of the named shotgun

I use rock n roll

@calm plinth sorry for the confusion

[inland tusk]

Lefty’s just good for stacks tbh that’s why I use it

But I got a catharsis I was tryna incorporate into a build tbh

[inland tusk]

See I barely run skills I leave that to my team with better builds for it but I’m tryna get a skill build going too yall recommend armouring my skill builds ?

[inland tusk]

Honestly if you were ps could just run a countdown with me while I’m tryna grind anything other then catharsis and I’ll get like 4 in a row 😂

[blazing shale]

The talent doesn't do much tho since most of the time your grenades don't hit in pvp. Or does it proc with skills?

[inland tusk]

Pretty sure it’s just grenades only time I run lefty is with striker for building stacks

[blazing shale]

Mae runs it for the talent, that's why I asked the question

[inland tusk]

Aye and I’m saying it’s only grenades 😂

[blazing shale]

Yeah but it's useless if it's only for grenades

[inland tusk]

Tbh not really it’s situational but ur right 😂

[blazing shale]

Last time I hit a grenade in pvp was against farmers in the dz

They take like 5 seconds before exploding

You'd really want to get hit for it to damage you

Or you need to run idk which specialization that gives flame nades

[inland tusk]

If it worked with proxies it would be unbelievable honestly , and yea honestly I got maybe 2-3 kills with grenades in PvP and it’s mainly during the attempted revive 😂😂😂 but yea the flamethrower one that would be good too tbh

Sorry btw If it sounded like I was being smart mate was trying to acc just answer the question cuz I thought the same thing previous it would work with proxies 😂😂😂

[blazing shale]

But if you take flame nades, you give up the op repair kit of firewall

[blazing shale]

Yeah nah you're good dw

[inland tusk]

Honestly I run demo just because of the increases on some of the stats it has plus I love the gl 😂😂😂but tbf if it’s a skill class ur going for ur better off with the repair kit then flame nades could be good for clearing tho maybe I feel like it’s a good combo the sledge and fire nades would do hella damage especially if you get the collector chest piece witch gives multiple buffs to nades

Or acc maybe that’s something it could be ran with is the collector chestpiece for clearing situations cuz it gives hella grenade buffs

But like PvP it would be dead

[blazing shale]

Yeah, interesting possibilities that get ruined by umbra pestilence camping at the back of the map 💀

[inland tusk]

Yea just realised they gotta leave their spawn after I had that idea 😂

[blazing shale]

And umbra kinda needs the repair kit since you give up the chest talent for more damages

[blazing shale]

So 40% of games pretty much

[inland tusk]

True tbh that’s acc a good idea for my umbra you just gave me imma switch to tech kit 🙌🏻but literally 75% more like the other 25% is ones that are pve 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[blazing shale]

Tech kit?

I was talking about firewall kit 💀

To give you more survivability

[inland tusk]

Idk why I typed tech 😂😂😂😂I know what you meant fs been a long day for me 😂😂😂😂

Honestly haven’t thought about it in PvP situations the extra heals will save me 😂😂😂

[blazing shale]

Yeah it's pretty insane

[calm plinth]

this build has the same dps or out dpses most builds that aren’t just straight glass

[inland tusk]

See I always kind of brushed it off cuz I’m only recently back into the pvp never really need it in pve situations but with umbra that’ll save me when healing from stingers 😂😂😂

[blazing shale]

Yep

And pestilence

[inland tusk]

I appreciate the info I may try something similar tbh I just run dps because I like running and gunning but I do wanna try the skill builds too cuz I know they can potentially do more damage per second

[calm plinth]

2 things 1 the potential of getting sledge on someone is an instant free kill so it’s always worth going for and 2 there’s not really anything else you could put there anyways

[blazing shale]

Rock & roll for extra ammo?

[inland tusk]

Or iron lung I hate that shit 😂😂😂😂fire gets you down 5-10seconds after getting into cover just before the rep kits done

[inland tusk]

Better for striker idk why it’s not preferred in general tbh

[blazing shale]

Yeah, I always run my builds with hazard resistance so it's not so much of an issue

[inland tusk]

Yea mines maybe 20-30% if I’m doing a blue core 😂😂😂😂 only getting into builds in division 2 recently tho so I’ll get there soon

[calm plinth]

you’re not shooting with the weapon

you’re swapping once the grenade goes off

[blazing shale]

Ah

Makes sense

[blazing shale]

6 blue core, big horn, regen, catharsis meta 🔥🔥🔥

Wtf is damage when the weapon has 300+% headshot damage

[inland tusk]

Honestly I was gunna be putting together a catharsis build soon since I got a good rolled one 😂I’ll keep that in mind

[calm plinth]

i prefer BH meta to the previous ones at least

[inland tusk]

You’re better with grenades then me obviously 😂

[blazing shale]

BH?

Oh ye

💀

I just came when the meta is bh regen, umbra pestilence

[calm plinth]

in dz it’s not hard since people usually play at choke points like dz south stairs or safe houses

[blazing shale]

So idk about the rest

Last time I played, vector with infinite mag, clutch build and health was meta

[inland tusk]

Oh yah I keep forgetting we’re talking different modes 😂😂😂😂conflict will always be harder to nade tbh but still

[calm plinth]

this is the first hsd meta we’ve had for years

since car door pvp

[blazing shale]

Yeah but it still takes so long to go off that unless they really don't care about getting naded, they can just step out of it

[blazing shale]

Uh?

Shield meta?

[wet badger]

Grenades do hit if you throw them right, any time people are holding an angle or sitting in cover or whatever, throw the made up in the air, vertical nade, when it lands the defuse timer is much shorter, make sure u hold your lefty for when it lands and BAM: Sledge is procced, then you make a push with a sticky, free kills.

[blazing shale]

Mb didn't know that

Doesn't work indoor tho

[sonic shadow]

Bleed build face to face shreds it idm

Hit em with an extra sticky, easier than easy

[wet badger]

Can't have it all

[blazing shale]

Except in division 1 💀

[blazing shale]

I didn't try it out yet

[blazing shale]

It's kinda good they fixed the nade spam tho, it was Hella annoying

[wet badger]

They really should make the nade animation faster, it doesn't need to be div 1 crazy but at least don't make it to where I'm gramps with arthritis throwing that shiet

[blazing shale]

True

[sonic shadow]

Today i've made bleed build at 1.7 mil, 1.8m armour with expertise, can facetank pretty easy, just sure, if they land headshots first - you're going down, if you stagger them fast enough they go down without too much trouble

[blazing shale]

What primary did you use?

Cause big horn regen kinda does the same thing ngl lol

1 stagger, big horn full stacks and you're either very low or dead

[sonic shadow]

Lexington with Sadist seems to work fine, i guess Famas could work too, close to same RPM

[sonic shadow]

It does until you encounter some better players

[blazing shale]

Hard to beat 150% headshot damage

[sonic shadow]

As people mentioned somewhere in the top, for very basic and good damage output you can use Umbra, they do (sad to say this) beat Bighorn HS builds sometimes

[sonic shadow]

Well true, but if you use sticky, foam, they're good as dead aswell

[blazing shale]

Every bh regen build has at least 60% hazard resistance tho, so foam isn't that useful

[sonic shadow]

Can't comment about this one, but majority of time your foam will land on them

[blazing shale]

But like, it lasts not as long with HR

[sonic shadow]

If you want to annoy them use bleed hive and sticky, works fine

[blazing shale]

Eh, foam and sticky work fine cause it stops them from moving for a short time, but bleed hive doesn't do much, especially since they have catharsis and 60% HR

[sonic shadow]

Well people use what they want and what they think will work, personally foam + sticky works good, you can swap foam for decoy if you want & can strafe decently

Outmaneuvering people is lowkey easy

[blazing shale]

What does decoy do apart from making your name tag dissappear?

[sonic shadow]

Well if you're not soloing and moving a group for pvp, with or without pulse jammer sometimes you mix people with decoys in a stressful enviroment

[limber cedar]

It doesn't make it disappear. Just reallocates it.

[inland tusk]

That was 6y ago lmao

[pulsar vapor]

Made this to mess around
What yall think?

[blazing shale]

Well yeah, on the decoy, but it dissappears from your character is what I meant

[blazing shale]

Never had the urge to replay it until now unfortunately, the meta was very stale back then (kinda still is, especially in conflict)

[calm plinth]

shd 0 💔

[blazing shale]

Oh yeah I didn't see the shd 0... How?

[calm plinth]

why does it show that when you aren’t

[pulsar vapor]

Idk
It could be a bug

Currently above 3k

Or a conflict thing

[narrow nexus]

what is the current meta rn?

[golden ermine]

The good old days

[calm plinth]

umbra and bh

[sonic shadow]

• bleed

[wet badger]

Bleed isn't meta, bleed is ass, no one runs bleed

[pulsar vapor]

Everyone runs 30% hazpro minimum nowadays

So almost all status effects builds are kinda meh

[sonic shadow]

Who says it's meta? You can make it work lol

[tawdry pier]

If it isn't foam or fire don't bother

Maybe shock too but that's countered by technician hive with 0 investment in hazpro

[pulsar vapor]

Comes in clutch when encountering someone who spams jammer

You rarely come across shock builds

[blazing shale]

Only 30%?

I mean, if you play in conflict, everyone plays with 0 hazard and spam crit chance crit damage

So it works there, if you can manage to not get melted by the umbra pestilence back of the map

[pulsar vapor]

I guess it's an console thing

[blazing shale]

Prob

[pulsar vapor]

It's mostly
who can tank the most

[blazing shale]

Can't speak for the dz tho since I'm below 500 shd

[blazing shale]

On PC too, outside of conflict

6 blue cores is what most people run in the dz

[pulsar vapor]

6 blues
All crit damage

[blazing shale]

That's why I run foam

If you don't wanna run hazard I'll make you

Though, I need to try fire sticky, never tried it yet

[pulsar vapor]

It can be useful

[blazing shale]

How long does the fire last on someone with no HR?

[pulsar vapor]

Uhhh
Unsure

But enough to eliminate them

[blazing shale]

Cause fire is more annoying than foam

• the stagger from the sticky

[wet badger]

The question was about what's meta...

[sonic shadow]

Ah yes..Umbra +1

Bighorn seems to be quite usable too, but with 6 blue cores with chc/chd build you can facetank them pretty easy with a little bit of strafing

[calm plinth]

why do you feel so confident in knowing the meta if you're below 500shd

[sonic shadow]

sometimes those below 500 shd players perform in pvp better than dudes with 5k shd levels

[golden ermine]

Nah, im scared of the dz, heard there were rogues

[boreal jewel]

shd doesnt equal skill tho

[wet badger]

doesnt mean they know whats up, some people are just bad mechanically & can die to a new player that actually has hands, but do keep in mind though that hands arent brains.

[blazing shale]

YouTube

[pulsar vapor]

True
After all, being set on fire prevents others to aim down sight

[inland tusk]

Enough to be more annoying then foam for sure

I’ve killed people using foam so many times by just continuing my spray into them unless they wrap around but fire is so much worse

[pulsar vapor]

Mmhm
Use the Ortiz gear set to be a major inconvenience

[pale beacon]

On my regen build i can only get to 4 hazard slots since my matador has regen hs. Is 4 good enough or should i just go all regen slots

[red arrow]

try this for burn

[wet badger]

Change the gear set for 3xChina

[red arrow]

for what? skill duration? is useless

[wet badger]

Where do u see duration?

[red arrow]

f me :))) i was looking at wyvern

[inland tusk]

What mods ?

[red arrow]

Skill Haste

[inland tusk]

Appreciate it boss

[foggy patrol]

hallo, general question.. is there a build that makes u invincible temporarily? was in dz and i got jumped.. no biggie.. but when i found the other person.. they didnt take any dmg.. and surprisingly.. he wasn't able to kill me either. like we were standing next to each other unloading and either of us was taking dmg.. i thought hacks.. but wanted to ask first possibly bug or something

[wet badger]

Was he rogue?

[golden ermine]

The "is it plugged in" line of questioning

[narrow nexus]

is bighorn mandatory for catharsis build?

[golden ermine]

Catharsis?not necessarily, cath can work on alot of dif builds, bighorn just op atm

[inland tusk]

Not many PvP clans around is there on console 😂

[reef acorn]

Can someone help me get ouroboros pls

[inland tusk]

Wrong channel mate

Post it in the #lfg-raid-console

[reef acorn]

Thank you

[golden ermine]

Nope, games dead

[tawdry pier]

Same ones and not even that relevant

[inland tusk]

RIP

[tawdry pier]

i dont remember the last time i played but im pretty sure it was the same people youd fight again and again

i doubt if i play now things would change

[inland tusk]

It means you both were not rogue 😂

[junior epoch]

Need help putting a DZ build together. I have a bunch of pieces I’ve been gathering. Not sure which way to roll. Have a bunch of pieces I rolled armor onto crit chance and damage. I have matador.

[blazing shale]

Does status effect rolls work on foam sticky?

[mossy solstice]

It does! I can attest to this

Wait foam sticky????????

I hope you mean just foam chem launcher. A foam sticky bomb would be absolutely broken

[blazing shale]

Yeah foam Chem launcher

[mossy solstice]

Yes, it'll work. Status has diminishing returns be warned of that. I myself run a cancerous foam build for rogue police

[pulsar vapor]

How so
I feel chem launch her would be more effective then sticky

[mossy solstice]

Nobody takes explosive resistance so the sticky stagger is almost un-counterable. Can't be countered? Whatever the term is... Anyways Hazpro easily counters riot foam abusers

Being staggered by a sticky is almost a death sentence

You have to pick between being hazpro or having the ability to face tank an explosion and not stagger. There's some anti-explosive builds out there but they're so niche they have virtually no use. Skilled players know not to put themselves into position to be staggered

[limber cedar]

Stagger is countered by rolling, so if the guy has fast reflexes, he can avoid the explosion stagger.

[mossy solstice]

Rolling itself is usually a bad idea too, depending how you roll. But you right on that one

For me on PC doing any kinda movement other than strafing is a death sentence. Pvp is stupid fast on pc

[limber cedar]

Don't know about that, I found a lot of people that staggered themselves with the sticky because of how they press the skill button twice to already explode it, sometimes they don't pay attention to the radius.

[mossy solstice]

Too much emp sticky expertise or bad awareness 😂

Most of the time on PC doing any kinda rolling or stagger results in a free kill on someone. Strafing is what keeps you alive on PC now

[pulsar vapor]

Sawyer's kneepads in question

Unless they work differently in pvp

[mossy solstice]

You have to be standing still I believe, and that has a cooldown as well

[pulsar vapor]

No
Only the damage build up is required to stand still

And there's no cool down stated

But then again
It could work differently in pvp

[golden ermine]

Dude, i got the expertise up on my emp and was staggering myself 90% of the time cuz not use to the radius being a whole city block 😭

[pulsar vapor]

Real

St 6 emp sticky is goated tho

Not allowing the other team to not use their skills for a whole minute is great

[stiff bear]

lol same i stopped using it i switched back to the burn sticky instead lol

any suggestions? im HZD/HSD should i keep foxes knees or use emporers?

[wet badger]

EMP radius is a W, u can bounce it off walls nearby and still knock a guy out of cover, it's great

[stiff bear]

true but if ur playing any bighorn build u wanna be right in there face to hit all ur headshots

but ya to stop from someone peaking a corner deff good

[wet badger]

Yeah that's what you'd use it for

[mossy solstice]

I'll have to check later. Last I touched sawyers was when I played on Xbox (~3 years ago) and there was a cooldown for them. Sawyers is one of those "it's okay" exotics that nobody really uses

[inland tusk]

This,ive says this to many ppl,they say it's either impossible or i cheat with macros,i was confused what they meant

[calm plinth]

change knees

emp better

[sonic shadow]

If you play plenty of conflict & dz, the feeling of getting shot by sticky comes around quick lol majority of players use it, reflexes comes with time 😂

[wet badger]

Yeah, most PvP players instinctively roll on a stagger now

[golden ermine]

Let it sit for a second and you can get immaculate timing on it

[wet badger]

Yeah, I almost always leave my sticky on the floor, the mere threat of a detonation is enough to throw people off, its good area of denial

[proud dew]

Anyone Got a good oro Build?

[red arrow]

I use this in conflict

not good for DZ (except if you want to do 1 vs 1)

[inland tusk]

I have no idea how you survive with that build

[calm plinth]

give redx access to the build sheet immediately

[golden ermine]

God danggg

[golden ermine]

Expertised is diabolical too

[sonic shadow]

Too good for builds

[pulsar vapor]

Is 300% HS damage enough?

[amber ice]

@red arrow Remember to only use the image permissions for relevant pictures, if they're misused the Admins will take them away.

[peak quest]

Hey everyone haven’t played in years. Just got back on a month before the new DLC dropped. I was wondering if I can get any advice on how to build a pestilence build for conflict. Right now I have a shiny monkey,Future initiative healer biuld that I use, but I would like to have a dps just for fun.

[pulsar vapor]

Tested
No cool down on the stagger immunity

Got hit with an 3 emp and 1 fire sticky
No stagger

And a couple of seekers

[pale beacon]

whats a good capacitor build with survivabilty that hits hard

usually for 1v2 or 3

[red arrow]

sry

[wet badger]

Don't focus on the raw values, this is just YouTube video clickbait stuff.

Just make sure you put the right pieces in the right places and you're fine.

Test damage Vs armour so you can find the sweet spot between 1 tapping players or certain builds etc and you're fine.

I could have 100% less headshot damage but still result in a higher damage number because of other such multipliers.

[wet badger]

Capacitor high end:

Ninjabike, Picaro, Gila, Fenris, Walker, maybe a Ceska/yaahl for last piece unless I'm missing something.

Use Drone + something offensive.

CHC/CHD

Unbreakable, 5B

[sonic shadow]

Is Picaro holster still decent after the -5% nerf? No better choices to equip?

[wet badger]

Its the BiS for Ninjabike Capacitor builds, otherwise you are usually better off using another piece

[mossy solstice]

Awesome, thank you. They may have changed it I have not a clue. This was a long time ago

[pulsar vapor]

Yurr

[pulsar vapor]

Ahh

[calm plinth]

4pc umbra coyote ceska with vigi

i run all reds but idk if youd do that in conflict

[sonic shadow]

Ah okay

[sonic shadow]

If you can spot people first and take their armor out fast, yes, if not - few blue cores just not to die within 3 bullets

[wet badger]

if anyones looking for a smart cover build heres one

[blazing shale]

Why capacitor instead of bighorn?

[wet badger]

because its a skill build

[blazing shale]

Doesn't capacitor only gives skill damage with each stack?

[blazing shale]

Is it per stack or only gives 7.5% per skill tier?

[calm plinth]

can we see clips

[wet badger]

i only killed some farmers, 2 bighorns was harder but u dont do it solo ofc

[calm plinth]

what are the buffs smart cover gives at your skill tier

[wet badger]

144%

[calm plinth]

damage??

[wet badger]

200k crit bodies, half that non crit, 280k crit heads, half red

[blazing shale]

👍

[calm plinth]

i really don’t see it being feasible without sawyers

unless the effect persists for a little outside of cover?

[golden ermine]

The stagger res? Pretty sure smart cover gives that

[calm plinth]

oh does it? i can’t find the stats online

[golden ermine]

Might just be defensive that does it

Idk if the offensive one does it

[inland tusk]

Anyone got a good skill build

[wet badger]

Yeah u dont get staggered in cover, I tested it on a few different groups, jammer deals with it but if u can bait the jammer out first then ur good to go, have at least 1 team amte also with SC and u can alternate

u can take mid range fights so easily, its a crazy amount of armour, with T6 drone, my 4M eHP becomes like 6M

[golden ermine]

I made a full on support with it but a support/dps def seems way more beneficial

[wet badger]

Oh yeah you wouldn't main that build I posted above but it's something u can whip together for a few kills, hots pretty hard too

[calm plinth]

@wet badger is there a cooldown on the bonus armor it gives?

[golden ermine]

Sometimes

Ive had it keep giving armor

And ive had it do 1 and done

[calm plinth]

if it consistently does it more than once that’s insane

[limber cedar]

You mean Smart cover? It gives you bonus armor every time you go on cover so if you get out of cover and go on cover again it will reapply.

[pale beacon]

dz south feels like a global event today

[pulsar vapor]

It's popping

Although I got immediately melted upon entering

[golden ermine]

Did you try to use redx's build?

[pulsar vapor]

I have not

I might have to grind for that

[hollow mural]

So many people out for blood in the dz today lol

[amber ice]

General PSA: AR Targeted Loot in the DZ doesn't give you a better chance at Bighorn/EB.

[pale beacon]

does expertise beat skill in dz

[tawdry pier]

Do 2 extra red cores and 1 blue core shift the tides

Perchance

[hollow mural]

any real way to counter people just sitting behind cover and spamming skills?

*in conflict

[sonic shadow]

1.3m armor minimum i'd go for

[sonic shadow]

Yes, skill noobs as ppl call em in-game

[inland tusk]

Yes don't play conflict

[golden ermine]

If they squishy, 4 dps players can set a t1 drone on them and kill them

[boreal jewel]

A tank or cav or someone running emp

[mossy solstice]

Measured assembly smart cover works. You can aim the skill and shoot it at them

Measured assembly "trophy system" works with smart cover + hive

[mossy solstice]

Not always. But most of the time, it gives high level players a big advantage as they can expertise their guns to 30%. That's 2 whole damage cores extra of damage. So technically they could run 6 blues and use an expertise 30 weapon and it'll hit the same (I'm pretty sure) as 4 blues 2 reds with 0% expertise

[snow sequoia]

Anyone got a pvp clan I can join?

[pulsar vapor]

Jammer or emp
But most likely they are running technician
So tanky build with hazpro, headshot and bullhorn would be my guess

[sonic shadow]

Still, mr mortar can eat bighorn in 2-3 shots

[pulsar vapor]

Then jammer or emp it

[analog heron]

I've been looking to get into pvp more but I cant quite wrap my head around the fact that I get melted in under a second while I hit like dust can anyone give me advice?

[sonic shadow]

Show builds 🤓

[errant rune]

Anyone got a ouroburos for darkzone? Pref one that can handle other players aswell as ai

[stiff bear]

Any recommendations? Such as emporer knee pads over foxes prayer ? I’m running foxes prayer cause I don’t have emporer with HSD or HZD

But. I do have with weapon handling and crit dmg

Plus I feel like I’m slapping way harder in conflict with foxes instead of emporer when it comes to face tradin and in turn winning more gunfights compared to using emporers

[sonic shadow]

Crit BH build?

[stiff bear]

No HZD/HSD

[sonic shadow]

If you're not running regen, i guess fox's r better

[calm plinth]

emp is better but run what you want

[pulsar vapor]

I don't really think I need armor
Majority of the time I'm behind my team picking off enemies that are fighting my team or trying to ambush them or positioned someone far to pick them off if I'm in the DZ

I also encounter alot of 6 blue players with unbreakable

So I need to squeeze every bit of damage i can get

[calm plinth]

if that’s what you’re going for i would definitely not run that build

you can run perfect spotter with 1-2 blues or a basic 3 blue crit build with nem and be much more versatile

[pulsar vapor]

I would run Nemesis but the charge up is what puts me off

I normally run vigilance, perfect focus and perfect ranger

If I can land HS
I normally do around 1.8 or 4 mil damage

[calm plinth]

mantis is a reliable 2 shot vs all builds

does like 2.1

i think nem is worth running even if a bit jankier just because how much damage it can do i should add crits to the body can kill with it

[pulsar vapor]

There's also the fact that I need to be snappy with it
I can't do that with nem
But I'll give mantis a try

[zenith gyro]

what are some good PvP builds, been wanting to get into more PvP either thru darkzone or conflict js dont know a proper build, what im using now is what i was recommended to use for PvE, any way to improve this build or swap anything with to make it viable for PvP ?

[pulsar vapor]

Striker doesn't do well in pvp nowadays

[zenith gyro]

yea i noticed 1st time PvPing in DZ i was able to dish out damage and get a few kills but i would also get BEAMED and take hella damage

[pulsar vapor]

Not sure what's the meta on pc

[mossy solstice]

Bighorn Regen or capacitor. Or cheats

[pulsar vapor]

Lol

[inland tusk]

Striker chatterbox eat ppl alive if used properly

[calm plinth]

if you want to use striker and an ar big horn is the choice

carth + perfectly efficient and 6 blues hsd on all pieces