td2-pvp-discussions

[obsidian owl]

Honestly

What makes firewall so good ?

Only for kits ?

[craggy trench]

c2c bonus armor too

firewall shield for shotgun

[tulip wing]

so, how do you do the running backwards move with the shotgun ? i know the tbag and the emote spin but i still don't know that one or when you throw a grenade and act like falling backward for erver

[undone gate]

Best smg setup for dz?

I saw few ppl runing sokolov unbreakble matador and catharsi

I tried so many crafts get the unbreakble sokolov chest to put blue without sucess.. and matador omg.. cant get double crits to put blue..

So.. whats a viable build?

Adrenaline rush really makes difference? I only use in pvp in bighorn regen..

[craggy trench]

The absolute best smg build? Striker

For high end, 3 electrique, Fox, contractors, catharsis

If you don't want to farm unicorn electrique it's matador, fox, contractors, catharsis, sokolov, 2nd Walker

[undone gate]

With ninja bp?

[undone gate]

I have double crit mask, holster, gloves, kneepads and backpack.. all from countdown cuz i dont have blueprint

Need get henri double crit

[limber cedar]

With the player revive mechanic, the game kinda doesn't know what is a kill for the talent and what is not a kill for the talent, for example the armor on kill and preservation only counts if the player is killed by you (either if it's down or "weakened"), and lady death and tenacity activation, they count only if you down a player but not when you kill a down player. And we also have talents like the determined that only counts if you down a player and the player is killed.

[golden ermine]

Think preservation requires a down and a finish

[craggy trench]

Why do you need Henri

[craggy trench]

No

[undone gate]

So how?

[craggy trench]

4 striker, catharsis, everyday carry

[undone gate]

Just a question for experienced players in dz.. all my main weapons are 27.. but all my gear is 12.. i was holding exotic component for the next season.. cuz imo will be a game changer

The difference between 12 to 27 in gear worth expend so many exotics?

I will handle much more dmg or just a few shoot?

[sudden coyote]

not really but if you already have enough exotic components to keep the weapons you use maxed out then there's no problem doing so

increasing all of your armor pieces from 12 to 27 adds like 200k something armor going from random examples (so the math may be off). That's just a few more bullets for a ton of exotic components

[undone gate]

Omg! So in some cases one or two bullets :/

So wont put XD

[tawdry pier]

Uhh

Math is way off

[sudden coyote]

what is it then. I was just using a comparison from the exact same build some other guy was running in the DZ where he had his at 27 expertise while I stay at 12. He had 1.9M armor (rounded up) I had 1.7 (also rounded up). 5B 2R 1Y with Ninjabike cores

[tawdry pier]

See the flat armor you get from each piece? For example mask gives 80k flat armor

27% of that is the amount of armor you get when you get the mask to 27 expertise

Do the same for all pieces

[undone gate]

So more 129k armor?

For all pieces on 27?

[sudden coyote]

so it's actually worse than what I thought. Going by the base armor for level 40 gear from this post https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/urjz2f/a_quick_guide_to_the_expertise_system_for_those/ and the 15% difference from expertise 12 to 27, it's an increase of
(80,297 + 157961 + 80297 + 111889 + 98726 + 130844) * .15 = 99002 armor assuming the core counts remain the same

so if that's the case then it's definitely not worth it

[maiden dust]

bro lowk i made a umbra build and its good but i still feel like im using fights i shouldnt be losing

[undone gate]

Lol 🤡

[wet badger]

which kind of umbra did u go for?

[maiden dust]

coyote mask 1pc ceska bag w vigi and the rest crit umbra pieces with bighorn

it’s good but like i feel like there’s stronger builds

i just started playing pvp again after years of not playing

[wet summit]

SO i have never rlly done pvp does anyone have any good simple pvp builds (dont worry about stuff i may or may not have)

[cursive creek]

#td2-build-advice

[wet summit]

Srry

[full jetty]

Need help with upgrading this build, Only two real counters is bighorn builds and Shocker punch (Ouroboros is 50/50 if I can crush their armor fast enough). Besides leveling up what else can I do to make this better cause its not cutting it anymore 😔

[mossy solstice]

Your issue here is not countering a bighorn build with a bighorn build. As for shocker punch, you should not be in melee proximity. That's bad awareness. If they can get that close to you, that's terrible.

For starters, your chest piece boosts shotguns. Where's your shotgun at? 🤷 Secondly, I get the feeling you're missing a good amount of crits. If you need more damage, ditch zero Fs chest and opt in for a weapon damage bonus chest (soko, fenris, walker Harris)

[full jetty]

I got a soko I was change it with

[mossy solstice]

You're also running ad rush and unbreakable. Not bad talents but still, if these dz guys are getting the ball on you, you definitely need better awareness

[full jetty]

I just need enough DPS for when the shock rounds stop cause thats the main reason I get KOed

[full jetty]

U think there a better backpack talent to run like vigilance or momento?

[mossy solstice]

Ahh you're reliant on the shock ammo with st elmos? Most bighorn players are running passive Regen now with hazpro. Your shock won't last. if they're running full hazpro, shock won't do shit for you. A good DZ player will know a counter to any build, but anyone can run a build. It's about skill and game knowledge

If you're trying to solo the dark zone, I recommend running striker and memento. Pair it with eagle bearer and it makes for a good build. St Elmo's will do just fine on it

You could also run Umbra, that's now meta and dark zone and conflict

[mossy solstice]

Everything is situational

[full jetty]

I was thinking umbra but Im focusing on maxed out chc without mods

[mossy solstice]

It depends on how you build your build

[full jetty]

I do enough DPS for their armor to be destroyed or very little left but they pop the medkit usually

[mossy solstice]

I use build tool

[mossy solstice]

Not enough burst DPS then

[full jetty]

?

[mossy solstice]

There's 2 types of DPS: burst and sustained

Rate of fire on weapons matters as well. Higher ROF usually means the more DPS you can do in bursts

[full jetty]

How I’ll do just for context, Ill find them and stun them (shock rounds w/st elmo), then switch the second they’re stunned and use my vector with optimist which gets their armor low but doesn’t finish so switch back to st elmo, shock is over and they pop the medkit

[mossy solstice]

Ah yeah you're missing alot of time by swapping guns like that. St Elmo's has a 70r mag. Just mag dump in the head and they'll die faster that way. They're shocked after all

But, again, neither of your guns are getting beneficial weapon damage bonuses that would boost burst DPS

Without losing survivability

(chest piece example)

Sokolov with blue cores + crits +, unbreakable would boost the burst DPS on your vector

Increases the SMG damage overall by 15%

Without losing any armor btw

Now if you instead ran umbra and used St Elmo's, you would increase the burst DPS exponentially due to umbra increasing CHD and ROF when out of cover

[reef thunder]

i find the best build for solo darkzone is the 3 armor core spotter/flatline build you can find on the spreadsheet in #td2-build-advice

hits bighorn regen players like a truck if you can play from a decent distance away

even good up close if you know how to play behind or around cover

i've ran around a humvee for at least 2 minutes while fighting a regen player and still won

[wet badger]

If a regen player let u do that he's bad, 1 foam and u die.

[full jetty]

What yall think?

[golden ermine]

My biggest issue with bh regen players is that they just kinda run away when about to die :/

[reef thunder]

that's when you bring out the iron lung umbra

or pestilence umbra

[golden ermine]

Ye, gotta make that still

[reef thunder]

plus expertising them to max makes it 100x better

[wet badger]

Use better weapons

[full jetty]

💀

[full jetty]

Which ones then

St elmo shock ammo combo kinda doing it rn

Also replaced my BP with vigilance when fully stacked can go up to 210% CHD

[wet badger]

Iron Lung, Pesti, Lexington, Bighorn

[full jetty]

St elmo better imo

Pestilence only other I consider besides maybe backfire or chatterbox (rof is crazy)

[wet badger]

Elmo is mid

[mossy solstice]

If you're using this for pvp, yes st Elmo's works but iron lung charges quicker than st Elmo's. St Elmo's you need to hit 100 times for next reload to provide shock ammo. Umbra does a decent amount of damage, you'll have to stay alive for a good while if you're trying to main st Elmo's. Iron Lung would be better bc nobody hardly runs haz pro and nobody hardly runs a booster hive. It charges quicker than St Elmo's, also lights people on fire and they can't aim. Trust us when we say anything right now is better than a st elmos

EB would be better, bighorn on umbra is even a new meta coming out, people are using pestilence with umbra, hell I'm even seeing blue screen make it's way into pvp for the crowd control stacking for it

Backfire does work in pvp, if you make a full hazpro + CHC build. I currently have one for group play and it works for the most part. Easily gets overwhelmed in solo. Chatterbox can work, but it really should only be used on strikers or magazine size builds

[weary aspen]

good start or..? (i am mostly going LMG for mid range and vector for close encounter)

[lavish basin]

6pc gearset is pointless, you get no further bonuses above 4pc and you're losing 2 brandset bonuses and extra minor stats.

If this is intended for pvp then I'd really suggest checking the pvp guide linked in the spreadsheet pinned in #td2-build-advice

Tbh whether it's for pvp or not that is still the better channel to ask in since it's a build question.

[weary aspen]

was a lil confused where to post it but hey thanks!

[golden ermine]

Bruh

[wet badger]

Just because that guy made a video using the blue screen it doesn't mean it's making its way, you can use just about any weapon with Umbra and it will kill, the gear set is OP and needs a nerf, not a big one, just a reduction in it's crit by like 25% or so.

[floral hearth]

Nerf the Umbra? hell no, that's my main tool against cronus users. is the only way to stop their game. I notice a big amount of cheaters plays very bad and very predictable.

Yes, Umbra is OP but servers are getting infected so we have to strike back with the most damage we can

Or using status effects (not my play style lol)

[novel osprey]

Chronus on Xbox. Insane statement

[floral hearth]

Ah syric is here

[novel osprey]

It only memorizes button pressing it can’t hack

[floral hearth]

True

[novel osprey]

And I also don’t see a need for umbra nerf.

[floral hearth]

Yeah, even sidekick is currently nerfed but who plays Beta Infinite in 2025

[full jetty]

Bighorn and pestilence users are my worst nightmare

[cursive creek]

is umbra still bugged?

[floral hearth]

Shotgun + Pulse resistance is the way

Sounds like a weird build but is really fun to use

[novel osprey]

@cursive creek yes

[wet badger]

Umbra is OP, its everywhere, it takes 0 skill to use. Use any gun on Umbra and it will kill - Thats how u know the statement to be true.

You do realise that people using 'cronus' as u claim can also use Umbra... What would you do then?

[mossy solstice]

Umbra in my opinion needs a rate of fire nerf. The crit can stay but the rate of fire needs to be nerfed

But you are 100% right. Umbra is very strong with how it sits right now. Sometimes when I get killed by it so fast, I call or suspect cheats. Nah, it just kills THAT fast

[wet badger]

I've had these moments too, ah its just Umbra again, whether its Vig or Capacitor.

As for the type of nerf, the RoF is a defining factor of the gear set, take too much away and it loses its identity, RPM is fun so that's why I suggested just shaving off some of the CHD to keep it in check.

Only striker can outdamage it but it will only do so at around 50-70 stacks, in sleeper servers theres no reason to ever go striker when u can get insta kill DPS from just sitting in cover for 5 seconds, great balance.

[golden ermine]

Thx for selling me those scripts

[neat musk]

I always find the chronus people on xbox funny

on pc literally any keyboard software (corsair, steel series logitech) has all the same things chronus has lol

null binds and macros are so common place on PC its always funny to me when console people call it cheating

[wet badger]

And even on PC the different peripheral softwares arent created equal

[neat musk]

wait to console players learn about snap tap and rappy

[wet badger]

Don't nerf my Umbra, I need it to fight these Wooting users

[neat musk]

lol

cs just recently banned script based null binds

cant do anything about hardware null binds lmao

[wet badger]

the same way u cant enforce the banning of monitor and physical crosshairs

[neat musk]

ye, LAN's they can obviously but division LAN tournaments aint happening anytime soon lmao

[wet badger]

right but who is playing on LAN?

<1%

[neat musk]

well yea pro play

its not banned on live game cuz you cant ban it

[golden ermine]

Ye but isnt that at least considered cheese to use that?

[neat musk]

🤷‍♂️ depends how salty you are

people using DMR's with auto clickers never really affected me too much

null binds (perfect strafing) is a cancer in some games (overwatch) but for the most part just get better aim

direction change is already stupid fast in div 2 so It doesnt bother me

[amber ice]

@wary olive Rule #12.

Just a general reminder to not discuss cheating methods directly on here.

[wary olive]

Lol what, abuse of power or what

This guy is a known cheater and I have videos of him shooting me through walls from the DZ checkpoint while I'm at the safehouse....

It's not a witchhunt, nor is it discussing cheating methods! @amber ice

I want them sent direct to me, not in here.

[lavish basin]

Yeah, all this discussion is pretty directly against the wording of #rules 6 guys
and @wary olive rule 12 directly states 'no naming and shaming', it's pretty black and white

[amber ice]

^
As for the other point: that was a general reminder, as a few people on here are talking a little freely about certain methods.

[wary olive]

At no point have I discussed any cheats, I think you should read what rule 6 says again, I'm unsure how any of that constitutes to rule 6...

As for Rule 12, I'll admit that it does borderline on that, but again it's not defamation. I have hard evidence and I'm asking them to send me a video direct. Not in here.

[wary olive]

Granted, I wont post it again

[neat musk]

they aint talking about you fool

they talking about me and crpyto

[lavish basin]

my reference to rule 6 wasn't directed at you at all, but the whole previous conversation

[wary olive]

They all suck on Xbox anyway

[neat musk]

also macros arent cheating, so we good

[wary olive]

^

[neat musk]

its just little pp behavior

[wary olive]

or spam defender drone and run in circles

[neat musk]

what else they suppose to do when your about to die

just let yuou kill them lol

[wet badger]

doesnt seem that way to me

[mossy solstice]

I think shaving a mix of both would be good. Just a small bit not too much

[tardy thistle]

Any weapon works for policing, Blue Screen actually has really high burst but it's beaten by Pesti so no reason to use it.

[golden ermine]

That's not really an issue, i just shoot them.

[wary olive]

That’s not difficult, anyone with thumbs can shoot them

But a max expertise defender drone with max mods mitigates your damage up to 40%

Doesn’t matter how good your aim is numb nuts

[amber ice]

@wary olive Chill with the attitude.

[wary olive]

What attitude? He knows what I mean, he’s being sarcastic.

My response is valid..

Also, I know him

[golden ermine]

No, expertise percentage is out of defender percentage

Like 20 something at most, not doing the math rn and that is on the highend.

[wary olive]

I know what the base end is, it’s 20% +-

But since when did it not apply? I only started playing again this month. 6 month break

[golden ermine]

You are looking at pve numbers i think unless maxed defender

T1 or t2 is like 10-14 % pvp

[wary olive]

Mod values halved also?

[ripe root]

Pvp modified in text description

[tardy thistle]

PVP total defender drone value is something like 33% of pve, so you need 3 expertise level per 1% defence last I looked.

[craggy trench]

It's still worth it imo

[golden ermine]

Fs

[wary olive]

I know how to look at PvP values

[craggy trench]

Clearly you don't because you think defender drone is a 40% reduction

[wary olive]

Do your glasses work correctly?

[craggy trench]

^

[wary olive]

Again, do your glasses work correctly?

Simple questions, for simple minds

[craggy trench]

Do you have an issue or what? Half the people here are trying to help you understand how the defender drone works and you get mad?

[wary olive]

I’m not getting mad, almost all of you have read what I put incorrectly.

Max mods, max expertise and max tiers

Max defender drone

Is up to 40%

I’m not sure how else I could’ve put it…

At not point have I implied that a T1 drone is 40%, which seems to be what you’re implying.

[craggy trench]

Do you run into a lot of tier 6 defender drones?

[wary olive]

Yes

Have you not played with the capacitor tier 6 build in PvP

Or are you one of those self proclaimed chicken dancing gods on PlayStation? 🤣

scramble lords

[craggy trench]

I'm on pc

[wary olive]

Same username?

I assume you know your PlayStation is linked to your discord and you are active on PS

[craggy trench]

I'm not active on the division on ps

My brother uses my account now

And yes it's still linked

The last time I logged on div 2 PS was to ruin the Lexington I got by rolling swap speed

[wary olive]

RIP

[amber ice]

prod out here, defining the new meta.

[wary olive]

If it helps, I re rolled a backup boomstick DTA before reading the third talent

Mag size

[craggy trench]

Oh I did it on purpose

[amber ice]

I keep getting those from drops, now I hear something about them being rare?

[craggy trench]

It's specifically really good for oxi builds

Shotgun is ideal for oxi and having it as a secondary gives you a free slot to use glory daze and chatterbox or capacitor

[amber ice]

Oh I've got that roll somewhere, I just meant that I kept hearing about the gun itself being hard to get.

[craggy trench]

I think it drops from a specific mission more often

Hold up I'll send it and @ you

[mortal badge]

people are not misreading what you have stated, multiple people are just stating that you are factually incorrect about what you are claiming. Experience does not add a percentage on top of the damage reduction from the defender drone. It is a multiplier to that reduction.

Defender drone has a base of 20% (PVE) damage reduction. +30% at skill tier 6, bringing it to 50% (PVE). the 6% max skill mod and 27% you can get from expertise are additive together and multiples to that percentage. So its not 50% + 33%, its 50% x 1.33 = 66.5%, which is the max reduction it can get.

PVP has the 50% modifier, so thats cut in half to 33.25%

[amber ice]

Ah cmon Raucey, I managed to smoke-bomb away from that.

[wary olive]

7% really makes a massive difference huh

Since when has expertise not applied in the DZ?

Oops sorry, 6.75% 🤣

[mortal badge]

expertise does apply, I just explained how. You were claiming 40%, you want to show how you were getting there?

[wary olive]

I claimed up to 40%

Not exactly as it was a guesstimate.

Again, not a statement.

I was also told expertise does not apply, if you read up. 🤣

UP TO

[mortal badge]

its not up to 40%, thats what everyone keeps trying to tell you

[golden ermine]

Think he misread this

[wary olive]

Terribly sorry old chum, I’ll try not to guesstimate in future.

I’ll take my time to properly formulate a solution for a video game, for no point

[amber ice]

If you don't want to engage with the math stuff yourself, that is 100% fine.
However: div2 is a math heavy game, so since it's all been worked out already, just copy what the people who know tell you, without insulting them.

[wary olive]

I will engage with the math and have done, many times to get worlds firsts and worlds fastest in this game.

I don’t see the point in taking the time to formulate an exact % for something that was a passing comment.

33.25% is massive for PVP

If you’re triggered by a 6.25% difference then should probably get tested for Asperger’s.

[golden ermine]

Lol

[wary olive]

Like bruh

[neat musk]

you got nerded

accept defeat

[wary olive]

I not only got nerded, I got moderated.

I have to be on my best behaviour. Positive vibes only!! 👌🏻💎

I accepted almost two hours ago.

[wet badger]

blink twice

[reef thunder]

who cares about math, umbra exists

anything with umbra = no need to do any math or calculations

[reef thunder]

does anyone have any build ideas for a ridgeways pride?

will probably only use it in conflict since it's a smaller space, but i got no ideas and don't want to go on youtube lol

[indigo umbra]

i've tried a few for PvE mostly and felt it just doesn't perform too well and gave up

[reef thunder]

i've seen some people use it a handful of times in pvp, but only on bighorn builds just to slow the person down to hit headshots easier

[tardy thistle]

Ridgeways crit with Wicked and sadist so Ceska, Grupo, Contactor's, Fox's, and Fenris. Use what ever split you want, shoot them in the head with new AK. Might need to go W&H over Fox's for CHC.

[mossy solstice]

Saw a version of this build but it's all headshot based and not reliant on ridgeways. It's using concussion and I think trauma and using a whole bunch of HSD brand bonuses like Habsburg and Providence

They were using the new AK and the Eagle Bearer on it

Held up well in a group setting against them to my surprise

[tardy thistle]

Yeah, Trauma is a bully solo farmers talent IMO. Could be decent in a group with OD for PvP but I haven't really done anything with it. PvP is like pure regen or die because kits don't drop and everyone uses PEsti now.

[sweet jungle]

I love using pestilence with inf armor build and max crit damage on every pice of armor

[compact shell]

Whats a meta one tap sniper build for pvp? ts looks so fun

[mossy solstice]

Anything with determined or pulse resistance

Ninjabike bag variants are acceptable

[copper jungle]

Does anyone know if I can pull the emperor guard from a normal named item cache

[ancient acorn]

Ye

[copper jungle]

100%?

[ancient acorn]

I’ve pulled them from named caches personally

[copper jungle]

Ty

[tardy thistle]

Work out if you want to use Perfect focus or Perfect Glass Cannon and go from there. Don't use Determined.

[amber ice]

@compact shell You need to tone down your attitude, this is the PvP discussion channel and not a soapbox.
Now, back to the PvP talk, folks.

[compact shell]

I just told the guy thanks for helping me and you deleted it

Can i just not use the server anymore?

[amber ice]

No, now move on.

[obsidian owl]

1 sec

[craggy trench]

Ngl I'm not a fan at all

[obsidian owl]

Work great with a bighorn also

Just take off the knee pads and replace it with fox payers if you want to

[craggy trench]

I can't see a huge reason to run a bleed build and not run sadist

Wicked by itself is not that good, could just run concussion and get a better chest talent

[wet badger]

Ridgeway is kind of a dead build, sure it still kills but is just outdone by Umbra, everything is outdone by Umbra, even Crit Vig is not worth running because Umbra is so strong.

Spotter still sees play but again why use spotter which has a counter when u can just use Umbra.

But like that guy said, he needs his umbra to combat 3rd party users hahah 🤡

[floral hearth]

I was using typical FAMAS w Sadist + Ridgeways build but it's to easy to counter at this point of the life of Division 2

Not worth to use all the time to keep manhunt levels

[floral hearth]

The only bad thing about umbra is that you have to un-glitch it after each death. Ngl sometimes its better to use another thing than wasting time fixing it everytime you die

[reef thunder]

i have all these pieces so I might just try it for shits and giggles and see where it gets me, thank you

[wet badger]

That's very true, now think how much more it will be used when the Devs get around to fixing it.

[rapid dirge]

anyone got a strkr with armour build they can share?

[wet badger]

Perform a search of my name and you'll see some not too long ago.

[craggy trench]

^

[obsidian owl]

Oh this build is for conflict

I deleted division 2 this morning I got bored of seeing the same builds everyday

[wet badger]

its not just the same builds, its the same players, same cheaters, same everything

[obsidian owl]

Umbrella pestilence and regules

[obsidian owl]

True

It really pissed once I started going against cheaters in conflict

Just corny asf

Don’t even earn nothing good from conflict and people just decided to cheat

[wet badger]

people dont cheat in pvp for rewards, they cheat because they can

[obsidian owl]

True I don’t mind dz

Honestly might just start playing division 2 on console again

[wet badger]

Its probably better but the scum have figured out some crazy lagswitch so u can run into similarly bad situations but it just wont be as common as PC

[golden ermine]

Unfortunate

[limber cedar]

I hate the fact that even on the console it happens.

[rapid dirge]

What are your rolls on this? How many chc/chd

[wet badger]

of course, its an smg build

[tardy thistle]

At least console doesn't have blatant cheats, people get cheaters in after dying a couple times on PC semi often now.

[floral hearth]

Is chatterbox build still worth?

[golden ermine]

Ye

Chatter striker

[mossy solstice]

Hazpro striker with backfire? Is that even viable?

I have a normal hazpro build with backfire and it works in group settings but not solo

[wet badger]

Only if you're surrounded and getting pushed by multiple players, otherwise it's shit

[wet badger]

If u want haz with backfire just get a healer or cav, no point in speccing, backfire is very weak until u land 2 mags on target, most other builds will kill you so u have to spam kits and micro manage until u get to equal ground. Can't be losing CHD for HZP

[tardy thistle]

All the work for weapons like Chatterbox has been done, sure there is a separate PvP multiplier but the talent is the same. Chatterbox needs 3 stacks to beat Ouro, otherwise you are choosing to give up damage.

[mossy solstice]

Definitely fair. I'll have to look into it. I got a PvE haz umbra build that does pretty considerate damage on heroic content. I wonder how that would work in dz

[wet badger]

With Umbra there isn't a big loss because of diminishing returns so hazard is kinda ok.

[rapid dirge]

apart from the bag talent how i can i improve this for pvp/conflict?60/148

[wet badger]

dont use hive and shield

dont use EB

[tardy thistle]

Don't use EB, change out Dark Winter, change the pistol to a more useful choice like Orbit, change out your skills, change out of Gunner Spec, get a useful bag talent, get more blues for dz, don't use Striker's for conflict. If you want 1 red, Coyote's as a solo player normally beats Grupo.

[wet badger]

basically this ^

[rapid dirge]

what ar build is good then for conflict, all high end?

[tardy thistle]

I don't play conflict, high end maybe if you want pulse resist but probably Umbra most the time, not sure how the Umbra bug works in conflict. Conflict is mostly red core over blues for DPS and remember that you lose your SHD points so minus 10% CHC.

[rapid dirge]

ive also got his for pvp/con but feels weak? only 181hdshot dmg + its a lot of blue

[craggy trench]

2 belstone is dog in pvp

2 gila??

[tardy thistle]

2p Belstone is 10% AOK, which is a dead stat in PvP. Go another Gila, 3 Golan or 2p Golan and Emp guard knees. Defender drone is really good with a more tankier build and you probably want a sticky to stagger. Use firewall, use another backup weapon that is not an AR as you will most likely have ammo issues over a longer fight, if that is the Harvest, remove Determined and use Optimist and you'll out damage Reg on the last few bullets.
That's all DZ stuff, I think conflict reduces regen and it's pretty much worthless.

[craggy trench]

regen is decent in conflict still imo, but pesti or umbra better in a group

[rapid dirge]

what should i repplcae on this skill tier or CD?

[craggy trench]

Roll armor

[tardy thistle]

My only experience was a friendly Christmas match with Sleigher and regen seemed to barely function.

[rapid dirge]

also does the dmg output differ at distances?

[craggy trench]

Also you have 1 Golan

Either drop 1 of the Gila or drop the Golan for third Gila

[rapid dirge]

i only have golan n ug hslter atm ;/

[tardy thistle]

You probably have a while to go before you'll get any benefit out of Memento in PvP, I also wouldn't run regen with Memento as it's completely unnecessary unless you plan to just run away from people. Catharsis is too strong to give up for a conditional exotic in this case.

[rapid dirge]

i swapped for wk haris with ad rush but ye long way to go most of the rolls are regen not haz pro...

is the hdshot dmg reduced the greater the distance to enemy?

[tardy thistle]

HS and CHD values are constant but the game does have a fall-off feature. Big Horn also has it's talent so the HS value varies.

[rapid dirge]

@craggy trench what atrrib should i replace here?

[wet badger]

Use the previous version of regen but change the bottom belstone for gila and you're good to go.

The emperor's guard is already underwhelming when it's well rolled, a badly rolled one is useless.

[rapid dirge]

wdym by use prev regen version?

and use the emps or not then?

[wet badger]

Where you have your Golan, put a Gila

Done

Is that a matador bag?

[rapid dirge]

@wet badger

[wet badger]

Mehh, it's a bad roll, you're better off putting gila on the bag because it's easy to find and getting a new brand set, fenris will be ok

Hazard + Headshot, before u go trying to find a regen rolled piece

[rapid dirge]

ah okay ill do some farmin for those.

i have 2 options based on what u guys said above either golan gloves n holster with emp kness or gilla knee , gloves and hlster

which would be the best?

[wet badger]

They both work well, whichever you can get first run that

[rapid dirge]

Thanks! Also what sorta stats do u have with that build? Mine is 181 hdshot , 30k regen and 38% hazpros?

Just asking so I have a rough idea what to aim for

[craggy trench]

It'll be completely different until you optimize

As long as you have the right stats you'll be fine

[wet badger]

Put everything in the right place and you'll have the right state

[rapid dirge]

noob question but i just lost a fight cos the other guy had a defender drone. what do i do in that situation

keep mag dumping or what

and for the skills would it be better to put the gunner mods on drone rather than pulse?

[bold atlas]

i would say drone mainly because people run a lot of pulse resistance

[golden ermine]

Emp sticky or pulse

[rapid dirge]

how will pusle counter drone?

[golden ermine]

Emp pulse

[rapid dirge]

ah

[tardy thistle]

Stop using Gunner for PvP, it brings nothing to the table under most situations. Your build is close range and tanky, pulse does nothing for you. Next time use a sticky or strafe around until their drone kills it's self out of boredom. If you don't have a blue core Matador, replace it Gila or Golan. Actually you have made a regen build with 1% regen so that needs work, read the brand set attributes they are very clear in game.

[rapid dirge]

that was jus not updated ss. its more like 5% regen no?

[flint schooner]

Take that bum ahh gunner drone off

[tardy thistle]

3-4.5ish % depending on sub attributes.

[ripe root]

Many factors cause you lose a fight, your opponent get damage reduction by drone, he do right thing at right time, that's one of reason that he won

Emp pulse or sticky, it can destroy the drone immediately, it is simplest counter measure

[mossy solstice]

I'll find a way to transfer this build I got for PvE over into pvp and see how it plays. I've noticed the backfire has the best optimal range out of any smg. The damage is nice but the rate of fire is terrible. With umbra it shreds as you build stacks quicker. While yes you need to hit 2 full mags for the full stacks, I'm hoping umbra will make the damage stack difference due to the buff in burst DPS from umbra

You'll get your CHD from umbra, then as you get backfire stacks you get even more. Diminishing returns yes but it's the best thing I can think of to make the build remotely viable

[inland tusk]

By the time u get some stacks with backfire you will be respawing in CP 😭

[mossy solstice]

That's the point of group play or conflict

As well as umbra making backfires rate of fire even quicker

You'd be surprised the optimal range of backfire. It's near AR numbers, not kidding. Look it up

[wet badger]

You have to use firewall, not gunner, not that one. Survivalist can work but that requires team mates and the knowledge of sledgehammer.

Don't use jammer to take out drones, use your head instead, isolate a player from his drone then shoot the drone with your gun, then use your drone, then fight.

If u resort to wasting a skill on a jammer you'll have to deal with this utter waste of a skill slot.

You can be using actual gunfight winning skills like emp sticky or foam.

On the other side u can use drone or decoy.

Let's not recommend crappy console tactics to this guy please.

[wet badger]

I insist that any hazard with backfire is bad, if you're gonna use hazard with Umbra it's because u need to be able to fight inside of fire grenades or a serial Elmo user keeps running to landmarks during sleeper safe room sessions and u are trying to not die to his crutch play.

I tested a variety of backfire builds and yet the only one that succeeded, and my god it hits is the one I posted before with Striker, Efficient, Catharsis, you play it long and slow but once u build up stacks u can 1 mag bighorn horn regen builds on their strafe.

[mossy solstice]

I'll keep that in mind 👀

Skills I assume is defender and booster hive?

[tardy thistle]

Big Horn regen making people do some really stupid things.

[wet badger]

I use Sticky + Decoy almost always on these builds, but you are free to change them around to suit you or the situation.

[mossy solstice]

EMP sticky bc lowest cooldown or are you using fire sticky to prevent them from aiming? And ofc fire damage ticks

[wet badger]

EMP because cooldown yeah but also because with 27 expertise its the size of a nuke

[mossy solstice]

Nah you're kidding 💀💀 I def gotta try that lol .. just need motivation to run more mules since I'm shd 13k. I lack hard on expertise

(only 18 currently)

[wet badger]

you'll notice even with 18

[mossy solstice]

How does pulse skill scale with expertise??

[wet badger]

its ok

but emp sticky scaling is about as good as it gets, its almost like having T6 but without the status buff

[mossy solstice]

T6 doesn't make it even bigger or is radius hard capped?

[tardy thistle]

Pulse is like effect duration, not sure if there is a PvP modifer, it's nice but not really important.

[wet badger]

radius is not capped

T6 + Exp is huge

[mossy solstice]

Ye I'm hoping with effect duration it'll keep people pulsed for longer. I'm running a nightwatcher vigi build for dz and conflict

[wet badger]

But you wouldnt use an EMP above T3, at that point you do juse use Fire

[mossy solstice]

I have 9s pulse cooldown in dz and conflict like 52s

[mossy solstice]

Fire damage would be more worth it at that tier

EMP would only scale up the time they're EMP'd

[tardy thistle]

But yeah, pretty sure EMP sticky is radius so expertise effectively covers like twice the total area.

[mossy solstice]

And this counts for all sticky bomb skills right?

I never really dump expertise into my skills except for the defender drone

[wet badger]

no

the other ones are just damage

[tardy thistle]

I'll try steal a picture from another sever, brain is fried.

[mossy solstice]

So the EMP sticky bomb is unique that is interesting

[tardy thistle]

Like I said, not sure if there are PvP modifiers.

[mossy solstice]

So it's looking like anything that is used for healing or a status duration is worth expertise. Namely defender drone, reinforcer chem, oxidizer, artillery turret, and I dare say Achilles and blinder firefly

I'll run a test in dz with my alt account and time how long somebody with 50% pulse res stays marked. If I'm not mistaken my pulse is expertise 3. I'll upgrade it to about 12 or so and see if there's a difference

[craggy trench]

For expertise no I don't think so

Emp sticky with OC is nuts

[mossy solstice]

In conflict they remove expertise as well, don't they?

[tardy thistle]

Yes.

[craggy trench]

Expertise 23 emp sticky, skill tier 0

[mossy solstice]

Sounds like dz is the most appropriate place to test my theories then

[tardy thistle]

Total DR from drone must have a multiplier but that's about all I know and it wouldn't be expertise specific.

[mossy solstice]

Good god why have I not expertised sooner 💀💀

[mossy solstice]

Raucey calculated the max reduction you can get i think from defender. Will have to scroll up and find it. Too much math involved, too many numbers. Defender drone just has no place on builds that aren't pvp oriented

Which let's be honest most defender drones are max tier 3 on most builds anyways 🤷

[tardy thistle]

Seen that yea.

[craggy trench]

Yea that's not a pvp thing though same in pve

[wet badger]

Unfortunately the Drone is massively nerfed in PvP + the Expertise is not additive which makes it significantly weaker than it would otherwise be. A maxed Drone is not much stronger than the base but still worth Expertising as any DMG reduction is welcome.

Its a pity that new chest piece is utter dogshi or it could have been a worthy thing to combo with maybe the EB

[tardy thistle]

PvP final modifier 0.5 for PvP over PvE IIRC, cap is something like 33%.

[craggy trench]

That's for the drone itself not expertise like you asked

[wet badger]

A T6 hybrid Capacitor build benefits A LOT from the Drone, with Gila too you are actually very tanky but can appear weak which baits players into taking gunfights they think they can win.

[tardy thistle]

yeah because the skill tiers and expertise multiply beforehand.

[craggy trench]

Yea lol, I answered your question about pvp modifiers for skill expertise

I'm not talking about the base skills at all

They balanced skill expertise really well besides decoy

[wet badger]

I dunno about that, half the skills make no sense with their assigned expertise stat

Duration on healing hive lol, what were they thinking. ZERO BRAIN

Active regen on shields, HA USELESS

Ensnare Health 💩

[craggy trench]

I mean more of the way it maths out, some of the bonuses suck. But I'm glad they didn't make the dmg ones multiplicative

[wet badger]

Defender Drone and Booster Hive scale in the same crappy way, you get almost nothing of value, whereas with EMP Sticky you get insane value from extra Radius

[craggy trench]

Defender drone and booster would be op if they scaled like emp sticky though

It's balanced well for the bonus it goves

[rapid dirge]

Would something like this be good in conflict/pvp? not tier 6 like u said but

[wet badger]

Yes its good

You dont need to use Fenris, you have an array of options you can use there to customise to your playstyle

[rapid dirge]

I think I’ve got ceska or groupo on mine

[golden ermine]

I helped 🥹

[floral hearth]

Is Lexington nerf a big deal if I'm using it at expertice 20 or should I increase it?

Im level 27 but I don't have enough exotic comps to level it up

[floral hearth]

With that amount of range I could even hit myself lol

[lavish basin]

It's like 1.1% damage nerf, not enough to stop it being the top AR

[floral hearth]

What's the Best top 3 skills to invest on expertise (PVP).

I just have defender drone at 12

[wet badger]

Ceska is OK because now you get 20% Hazard but it's not the best for damage output, Grupo is ok but only if you plan to use a Sticky Bomb, otherwise Fenris is good if you only shoot your Capacitor, a 2nd Brazos is good for taking down tanky enemies in 1 magazine, walker is slighter higher DPS than Fenris, that's about all your options.

[rapid dirge]

How would the 2nd brazos help with tanky enemy’s?

[sudden coyote]

Brazos 3pc perk is increased mag size iirc

But dunno if that is more important than chd or something like that

[wet badger]

13%CHD is not a lot on an Umbra build, it's about 4% actual effective damage, I'd say an extra 20 rounds gets u closer to killing awkward players or tanky players without reloading.

60 rounds is a lot but if u can kill in less than 40 then Fenris is better.

[rapid dirge]

good call on the brazos Definitly able to 1 mag players now only issue is i still get downed v fast! any tips for the build or even general fighting to help me out?

yes im working on getting the other specs unlocked

[wet badger]

where is your defender drone?

if you are lacking some survivability then drop the 2nd brazos and take a gila instead, a Gila + Defender drone will make u tanky, and add a blue

[rapid dirge]

i lose the mag size doing that tho?

will the trade off from dmg to armour be enough?

[wet badger]

yes so stick closer to cover to reload, or get better at strafing

[rapid dirge]

what is strafin?

[wet badger]

BRUH

[rapid dirge]

im literally new af to pvp 💀

[limber cedar]

Basically strafing is a movement technique used in this game pvp where you move to the right and to the left using the two analogs of the controller or using the movement keys with the mouse so you can make a zig-zag movement to make yourself harder to hit, that is useful while approaching enemy players, especially with a regeneration build.

[rapid dirge]

ah thank you!

would emp sticky be a good replacement for pulse or stinger hive?

[craggy trench]

Yes

[tardy thistle]

level 12 cost no exotics, level 15 is pretty cheap. Defender drone can't hurt and any skill with a radius increase like jammer or EMP sticky is really good value. Striker drone and turret are basic but carry over to lower level character which helps running mules in the DZ.
Maybe get your used skills to 15/20 and spend the of your components on weapons as high expertise is pretty standard for anyone in the DZ.

[tardy thistle]

Pesti and Iron Lung reload faster in new patch🤢

[mossy solstice]

I forgor 😭😭 but thank you for contributing 🔥🙏

[mossy solstice]

Everything got a reload buff. I'm heavily eyeballing the MP7 again 👀

RPK still needs a major reload buff. L86 reloads quicker than that and takes a lighter bullet type 😭 yet the RPK is also mag fed

Can't wait for pesti to plague DZ even more. Iron Lung is easy to counter: booster hive or hazpro 🤣

[tardy thistle]

From memory Div2 RPK is 5.45x39.

But yes, having a slower reload time than pretty much all the belt feds is a bit stupid.

[mossy solstice]

Division 2 has it chambered in 7.62, which it's not wrong there is variations out there that are in 7.62. The guns in div 2 look a bit too modern to shoot 7.62, more like 5.45x39, you're right. Exception of course being the classic RPK. Ever since the devs nerfed it to the ground, I've been salty about LMG's ever since. L86 quickly took over as my trusty secondary on all my builds that use contractors

LMGs are just in a weird spot where they're trying to perform like sub machine guns for reload but mixed with assault rifles for range + damage. Belt feds reload quicker than the mag feds... Like huh???? Buff the RPK reload back to how it was. Or if anything buff the L86 reload but nerf the RPK damage by maybe 3%. Again, bring the RPK reload speed to how it was before the nerfs. Its to give that and the L86 compelling choices on why to pick which over the other

[tardy thistle]

Even classic RPK has orange Bakelite mags no?

[mossy solstice]

It can take it I'm pretty sure. Just never really saw a classic RPK that took 5.45

[tardy thistle]

Nah all RPK attachments are 7.62.

[mossy solstice]

I figured they were. They kinda classified NATO weapons as more or less the same caliber and Bloc weapons kinda the same

Anything American takes 9mm, .45 or 5.56. anything Bloc/Russian seems to be 7.62 😂

[wet badger]

I don't know what they're doing with the MG5 and variants, why does the Iron Lung need another reload speed buff

[mossy solstice]

I don't get it but let's see how it plays first

I just know the RPK needs a serious reload buff

[tardy thistle]

We already know how it plays, a horde just ape pushes on Iron Lung or Pesti.

[mossy solstice]

Pesti, that's gonna suck. Iron Lung that's when I just throw tardi build on and run booster for my team. Or cavalier

[craggy trench]

MG5 is way too good all around

[tardy thistle]

No point running support in a small group and people just leave server when fighting a somewhat organised 4 stack.

[rapid dirge]

Is there any way to disrupt/ slow down armour regen on enemy’s?

[craggy trench]

No

[limber cedar]

Back in the day we could, pestilence pre-WONY talent could apply a debuff of -50% on enemy healing from any source. You still can kinda delay the Regen with pestilence and counter the HP per sec with pestilence dmg per sec.

[golden ermine]

I remember using that shotgun melee to knock out heals ( forgot the shotty name)

[limber cedar]

The old Sweet Dreams

[golden ermine]

Yesss

[golden ermine]

Was dirty cuz healing was op

[rapid dirge]

i would need to make a whole build for that ;[. my capacitor unbra build which i use gets em down low enough but then the cath mask and regen just saves them again

[wet badger]

PSA: Since there has been an anti-cheat update I would like to know if there are any cheaters still lurking, i suppose they will be back at some point so it will be interesting who has gone and who will come back, if anyone encounters a cheater please DM me, if u have a clip share this with me. I played for a few hours today and there were no cheaters, well, there was 1 but he wasnt cheating which is a good sign.

[floral hearth]

Did they removed "near players" on Dark zone?

Nvm, it still there and it just got reworked to the bottom place damn

[limber cedar]

Weird change but ok

[rapid dirge]

stupid ah change

[wet badger]

Personally I think there should be a toggle switch for Inspect, I would disable other players from inspecting me, lets go back to the div 1 days where u had to use your brain and game knowledge (identifying apparel) to work out players equipped builds, now I know that with custom apparel u cant do that anyore but the point still stands.

[full jetty]

Making a weird armor status effect build and dont have ninja bike, would it be better to run wicked or creeping death? For reference Im using St Elmo or Pestilence as primary

[rapid dirge]

anything i can improve here? 51/118

mainly for conflict but dz too

[floral hearth]

On console is nerf. I mean Who is going to waste time like that to check near players ? (PVP)

But is really fun tho

[floral hearth]

I just find out that the game crash if you try to check near players so I think Div2 console servers are Div 1 right now

[wet badger]

It's an advantageous feature to use, simply look at nearby players builds then swap to a build that beats it. Cheap tactic, but used by all experienced players.

[tardy thistle]

Is the EAC updated? Sounded like they were planning to roll out updates as the season progressed because the current EAC update is bugged like PTS. Pretty sure a friend played against a cheater last night that has progressed from unlimited ammo RPM Iron Lung to full aimbot, there are also two cheaters that normally show up and blast the server so I'll keep an eye out.

[tardy thistle]

What do you want to do?

[tawdry pier]

what was the reload speed of reg pre nerf

post buff with WH is 1.76

[mossy solstice]

Reg was like 2.7s I think? Somewhere in that ballpark

Oh you mean pre nerf before they made it like 2.7s 💀💀 in that case it was around the numbers you're seeing now

Basically all the reload nerfs they reverted, which I'm loving the way everything feels. Everything feels viable. Grrrrr they neglected the RPK and made Iron Lung and Pesti even more stronger. PvE okay, pvp no go 🙅 revert Pesti + Lung reload changes for pvp only

[mossy solstice]

I'm with you on what you said earlier. I think nearby inspect would be awesome to disable in PvP. I'd much prefer only being able to inspect their build if you get KILLED by them. That would be more balanced. I do like seeing well in advance if players are nearby, so I do also feel that should at least be kept. If someone is wearing pulse resistance, their name should be hidden in nearby as well. Idk how that mechanic would work in game development tho

[full jetty]

Its just a status effect build to deal with manhunts

[wet badger]

Do you want to incapacitate them so others kill or do u want to kill them?

[wet badger]

There could even be a token system, that when you die to a player you can use an inspect token, these can be earned or regenerate during a specific time period, or maybe something like 3 kills in a certain time period will allow the losing player a sneak peak as an aid to help combat the situation, but right now its an incredibly abused system that works great for PvE players but is an overall net: NEGATIVE for PvP!

[rapid dirge]

Is pesti build or iron lung build stronger for pvp?

[craggy trench]

Yes

Different strokes for different folks

[rapid dirge]

Let’s see yours

[mossy solstice]

You've got your fingers on just about everything don't you?

[mossy solstice]

Iron Lung, Lexington with optimist. 3 PC golan, tardigrade, gila, uzina. Specialist firewall ofc. Skills defender drone and booster hive. Everything rolled CHC + CHD. You can take armor Regen on the backpack and mask for a small boost in Regen. Your teammates will thank you

[craggy trench]

Basically

[rapid dirge]

Why the booster hive? N u got this on right now?

[craggy trench]

Iron lung I think you just need to swap grupo for ceska, maybe go a little more armor

[rapid dirge]

This is my current ilung one

[craggy trench]

That's pretty solid too

I'd go more armor if you are using lengmo bonus

[mossy solstice]

Booster Hive is to keep your teammates from getting status effected. My build is based around being the anchor of the team, and for providing bonus armor for when teammates lose their armor

Iron long as a really good way to crowd control in PvP against players, because most don't run hazard protection or a booster hive. You are basically a really tanky fire spreader and you give everybody armor

[rapid dirge]

Booster huve is the yellow one right?

[mossy solstice]

Correct

It also boosts weapon handling and melee damage

[rapid dirge]

What sorta chc/d do u have on that build? So I can tweak the CHC/D rolls

[mossy solstice]

It's a very underrated skill to have in PvP most people don't think it's viable when it is

[mossy solstice]

It's a high-end build. Every stat will be CHC+CHD

Backpack talent can either be vigi or ad rush. I recommend ad rush

[rapid dirge]

What pieces are golan , gila n uzina?

[mossy solstice]

On BP or mask you can take CHC + armor Regen or CHD + armor Regen. Use either a CHC mod or CHD mod for the slot

[rapid dirge]

Like holster , knees ect ?

[mossy solstice]

Yes. 3 PC golan boosts status, gives Regen, and gives 10% more armor. gila gives another 5, so does uzina

Boosts duration of flame of iron Lung, passive armor Regen and more armor

[rapid dirge]

No I meant like are the knees golan or gloves or what?😂

[mossy solstice]

Can be pieced however my dude

Golan mask, uzina mask, gila mask, any works. Chestplate will be tardigrade

I recommend crafting your golan pieces first. This build you can actually craft

[rapid dirge]

Ah okay. What chc/d should I aim for ?

Hence why I asked what your build sits ata

[mossy solstice]

You should be at damn near 60% crit hit chance and you should be in the 150 to 170's range for crit damage

[rapid dirge]

Perfext

[mossy solstice]

And it doesn't matter what gun you use it should be damn near Max

I recommend using an lmg and an assault rifle. SMG isn't viable and a shotgun is not viable

[rapid dirge]

Will farm this today n message back if I need some more help👍🏾

[rapid dirge]

Do u also have a an ar build I can share please 🥲

i was gonna go make either of these

[mossy solstice]

I highly recommend this build for pvp. Works amazing in conflict and DZ. Not fully meant for solo but it can do it. Just swap out tardi for unbreakable and use Memento backpack

[rapid dirge]

which one?

[craggy trench]

Second one is poop

[rapid dirge]

why? that literally looks perfect?

no need to stick to hdshots with ton of regen n dmg?

[craggy trench]

It's adding a lot of armor but not a lot of dmg

The reason the regen builds work so well is because bighorn makes up for the dmg

St Elmo is already not very good for dps

[rapid dirge]

what

is the first build worth making then lol

[craggy trench]

First build is solid

Idk about EB but anything umbra with vigi is gonna do stupid dmg

[rapid dirge]

i hate vigi tho the moment u get into a fight it goes off?

n if not eb then what would be good famas lex?

[craggy trench]

Concussion if you can aim

[craggy trench]

Lex ideally, tbh iron lung is super annoying to fight especially when paired with umbra

[rapid dirge]

why

[craggy trench]

Increased Rof means the fire is active faster

And the second most annoying thing in the game is being on fire

[rapid dirge]

ah true

@mossy solstice so something like this?

[mossy solstice]

Yup pretty much. Ad rush backpack or vigi backpack. Everything else looks good. You could ditch a gila piece for emp kneepads but you'd lose an attribute. That's the best possible setup for that build. I use it alot, a ton of fun

[rapid dirge]

u keep the blue cores as first atrribute on all pieces yes?

and man i just ran my ilung build from above it is fkn insane🤔 so much better than regen bhorn and my capacitor umbra build

[mossy solstice]

Yes. The goal is to gain as much armor as can

Expertise makes it even better

[rapid dirge]

great thank you!

just a question tho will the dmg output be lower on your build compared to my 3 pc umbra n 2 pc legmo with ninja bag?

[craggy trench]

Probably

[rapid dirge]

alright ig the increase in armour will make up for that then

[full jetty]

Incapacitate

[limber cedar]

I tested the exodus gloves in pvp and well, the out of combat effect applies when you are not taking dmg when it is activated, but unless you are using it with unbreakable AND the enemy player broke your armor from far away, it's pretty much useless and hot-swap is kinda hard on DZ with only 1.5 second of out of combat.

[wet badger]

Good for conflict

[wet badger]

then u want to use foam and most likely a fire sticky with Elmo

[rapid dirge]

Yh its pretty dam good I understand why most of the people run this or pesti now

[floral hearth]

What about pulse resistance with exodus?

Im trying to get exodus to try a build like that

[limber cedar]

I'm not home for almost the entire day, but I didn't test the nameplate and PR. I know some people said that it was broken (not working properly) in the PTS.

At least the out of combat works when you're not hit by dmg overtime like status and pest.

[whole walrus]

@rapid dirge Standard AR Build that I use: Coyote mask, ceska bag with vigilance, fenris chest with unbreakable, contractor's, fox's, picaro

all with crit damage and chance

with lexington and nemesis

50% chance 150% damage+ is good

[rapid dirge]

how many blue cores

[rapid dirge]

its done hella unoptimzed n crap loot drops ... 48.5/152 with 40k regen. anything i should tweak? @mossy solstice

[craggy trench]

this pic is old, if you want i can boot and get a current pic

[rapid dirge]

ye please

ill inspect n copy rolls if u dont mind

[craggy trench]

Ight I can in a little bit, in a tarkov raid rn

[rapid dirge]

np just @ me when ya on

[floral hearth]

I have almost same

[craggy trench]

whats different?

[floral hearth]

I still need a perfect chest and Backpack... Build is not complete yet

[craggy trench]

2 walker is slightly better

i just have bad rng

[tawdry pier]

is the reg explosion vfx not working in pvp?

[craggy trench]

too lazy to grab my lexington

[muted fjord]

Hi guys is there anything i need to improve on this build? I don't know ive seen alot of people running this build i figured to try it by myself

[wet badger]

Use better skills

[mossy solstice]

Your skills need to change. Question, is this a striker bighorn build or is this a crit build? I know crit bighorn is absolutely nasty but I find that you'd be better off just running a Regen version with bighorn

[mossy solstice]

Wicked's a good talent to use 🔥🔥 just hope they're not running hazpro against that lung. I use mine with adrush. An alt setup bag I need to get is vigi

The passive Regen is perfect, you want that. Additionally you could run Survivalist for GROUP heals. Firewall is best for the medkit when paired with armor Regen. It also should boost your burn duration or burn damage for your iron Lung, which is why I paired that with golan + firewall (status from golan + burn buffs from firewall) as opposed to 3p gila. The build is just too good as an anchor 😩

[amber ice]

@silent osprey You're looking for #lfg-playstation (assuming you mean div2), GL Agent

[rapid dirge]

think ill go for firewall first then i still need to unlock all the specs apart from gunner , tact and the rocket launcher

thanks for the build tho!

[floral hearth]

On group, change skills for Decoy, pulse, EMP sticky and Rock n Roll shotgun

Solo is not worth

[wet badger]

Why the Rock'n'Roll? You'd get actual good damage using a regular ACS-12 w\ Brazen.

[craggy trench]

brazen ACS is busted

[wet badger]

And yet people still main the Lefty

[rapid dirge]

time to get acs🤷‍♂️

[mossy solstice]

Definitely the advice of a console player lol

[mossy solstice]

Firewall slots best, but survivalist would work for group healing. The point of the build is to stick with teammates anyways

Additionally you could run HSD + armor Regen and take bighorn 👀

[rapid dirge]

ah man that was my first build and while the regen was nice my aim is shit so it didnt work out

plus is doesnt do that well beyond close range ? or maybe that was just my exp with it

[mossy solstice]

Bighorn can hit at distance but yes, aim is somewhat required

Since you and I are both on PC, strafing and hitting those shots will be tricky

[rapid dirge]

ye thought so. i aim tempted to make a umbra non hdshot crit build but need to do some research

[rapid dirge]

fr :[

[mossy solstice]

most of the pvp playerbase cheats anyways so I don't see the effectiveness of a bighorn build

🤣🤣

[rapid dirge]

only met a few cheaters tbh

[mossy solstice]

Bighorn + Umbra = absolutely broken

[rapid dirge]

lagged tf out my game and dude was just 1 tap shotting n fluing around dz

[rapid dirge]

i mean if u got one send it thru i am tired to hdshotin

[mossy solstice]

That's obvious cheating tho. I'm talking ab the people that are there daily and try to hide it

[mossy solstice]

Just the usual umbra build with enough CHC and chd will work

[rapid dirge]

what bag n mask tho

cos i assume all lower half of build is umbra

[sonic shadow]

4 pc umbra with fenris bp and vigi + cayote seems to do work

[mystic fiber]

Is 90% pulse res enough 2protect u from spottee?

[floral hearth]

Yeah, 90% are on PC lmao

But hey ! Im trying to help xd

[limber cedar]

No

[maiden dust]

whatre people running post update now?

[mossy solstice]

Due to major reload buffs to all guns across the board, I dare say most guns now are viable depending on what talents you use and what builds you pair them with. Of course you have the "meta" guns, which rn there's a few guns per category that are best to use rn:

AR - FAMAS, Lexington, Carbine 7, G36C, P416 and the M4 (all high end). Exotics rn being heavily used in pvp at least is definitely eagle bearer and bighorn. Those two got buffed last update and reload speed buff this update.

SMG - Dark Winter is now best in slot due to killer getting a buff. Right now the overall best SMG to use for rate of fire and damage is the SMG9. It used to be the banshee. Not anymore. Backfire got an upgrade, seeing more of that lately, same with chatterbox. Ouroboros is still viable but the talent makes it not worth it now. Dark Winter or SMG9, no in between

LMG - people only touch pestilence now, or carnage on bleed builds. Iron Lung as well due to reload buffs.

Shotguns- typically any M870 shotgun or double barrel with brazen. Occasionally I'll see like glue pop up in builds but not often

Marksman - best in slot is white death now. SR1 would be 2nd or 3rd best, and a tactical m700 wouldn't be a bad choice (does slightly more damage than the SR1). When all else fails, there is the Model 700 that's still good

Rifle- UIC or Mk17. Maybe even the cqb m1a1, that's a good rifle too. Ravenous is worth it now as well but still a niche gun

Hope that info dump helps

[gleaming stratus]

When you want to play conflict but the whole team camps in the back with skill builds🤑

[reef thunder]

that's when you throw on a hazpro bighorn build and w key all the way to their spawn

or in your case, joystick

[rapid dirge]

Skill bots are the worst

[wet badger]

Just ran into my first cheater since the patch, one of the usual suspects, didnt take long 🤣 🤡

[limber cedar]

Downing a player that has Exodus but no unbreakable, looks like he farted of pain

[floral hearth]

I've seen Europe players using Smg 9 is it worth to use at expertise 28?

[craggy trench]

It's one of the best smgs rn

Tac vector is better on burst but lower magsize

[wet badger]

im currently fighting another cheater, lagswitch and aimbot, i hope this updated anti cheat is tracking

GG

[wet badger]

I didnt know the Regulus could shoot in all those directions at the same time

[reef thunder]

that is clearly just a skill difference, obviously he just expertised it to level 28

that's the new meta

[mossy solstice]

Were they running around in Christmas shirt and antlers?? Nemesis automatic? Teleporting too?

Edit: picture just now loads for me. I can see it's not the same getup as the cheater I ran into. I do have video evidence of it tho which I'll upload to isac network when I have time

I ran into a dz PvE only (odd kinda reason to cheat but ok 🤦🤷) cheater. Went rogue and stood behind a wall, got shot a few times but they stopped and didn't kill me

Wonder if maybe that very cheater is the one you ran into

[wet badger]

obviously we cant discuss names here

but he does streamsnipe

[mossy solstice]

Correct 👀 and I'm not surprised. It could very well be the same dude I ran into

[wet badger]

Thats the thing man, you'll find him on there, easy carry, then 10 mins later his Nemesis shoots like an A10 Warthog and your entire team is dead.

"we're banning cheaters"

[maiden dust]

are people using umbra? all red gc? like what gear wise

i’m a pve player i have no idea what to use in pvp nowadays

[rapid dirge]

how do i open scoreboard in conflict?

[wet badger]

y

[golden ermine]

Outplayed

[undone gate]

Guys booster hive give how much % status res?
If im inside i will get 100%?

And if i got for example 100% status effect on my build it will literal double the duration of the status?

Cuz i did a new pvp build that is insane strong.. today and this week a lot of 4 man group tried to kill me and i killed then alone..

But today.. i was roaming just to finish my project.. and then a group with 1 guy with st elmo shocked me and looted my 1 Dz currency 🤣

They tried to kill again.. but this time i used the booster hive and didnt get shock..

I almost never use it.. if can someone explain me this on pvp.. and how much status is reccomended on a shock build

[ripe root]

Cheat can even shoot with nemesis like that with no charge😂

[ripe root]

Is it screen capture from twitch? Since i don't think you use traditional Chinese, and not many people streaming pvp

[tardy thistle]

People sell drops, anything a cheater does that is odd and not griefing is probably some form of RMT.

[mossy solstice]

Not surprised 💀💀

Why pay for a drop when you can earn it for free with GCRock server 😂

[wet badger]

I've seen it all man, I'm just hoping the suffering now is all for a good cause. But who knows it can all be a red herring...

My advice, take that build and throw it all in the trash. Armour regen builds should not be made with ninjabike unless your primary and only objective is to run around the DZ avoiding angry players who want u dead.

Region?

I'm not sure on best time to find players, I know EU & NA, but if u play late evening it should be alright.

Regen is good, but not this version.

Everything on that screenshot

There are some screenshots further up

When I get on PC I can update

Ok, Capacitor builds are good

Once u nail the formula u can make loads of variants

[wet badger]

Its usable, you would keep the regen and roll hazard

but try to find one with hazard so u can keep the other attribute free

OR

keep it for crit builds and roll CHD on top of the regen

[dawn lava]

why not ninjabike?

back in my day i used ninjabike and 4% regen

may i see it?

plus is that hazpro?

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[wet badger]

now get a matador with hazard and headshot and the build is done

Why use Fox's?

[limber cedar]

why not use it?

[wet badger]

because its a ninjabike build

[undone gate]

???

[wet badger]

if you read the description of the hive it says how much hazard it gives, its only in division 1 that u had a immune box

if you have technician and you are within 5m of a deployed skill u are immune to disrupt and shock

[tidal brook]

Skill tiers also increases that buff as well.

[limber cedar]

Am I the only one who loves to put a full expertise Hive and fire turret with Exuro and skill damage on the DZ door so people can get mad at me?

[tidal brook]

Your one of those people

You make me not enjoy dz, cuz of the door camping

I’m guessing your the people who used foam to have a easy gunfight in DZ huh 🤔

[wet badger]

mehh, walk out with regen haz and its not a big deal

[sonic shadow]

💩

[simple wasp]

I want to build a regen intimidate build (just got hunter killer) what would be the best build with that?

I don’t know whether to run momento or catharsis or what’s best in slot

[craggy trench]

Catharsis, 2 Golan, belstone, emperors, matador

[simple wasp]

Ok Ty mate

[simple wasp]

That include haz pro? Or just regen

[craggy trench]

Haz/hsd minors

[wet badger]

You can also drop the Emperor's Guard for a Fenris if u wanna hit a little harder, or an extra Golan for extra tankiness.

Emperor's is good if u wanna run in circles but is a weak piece for regen

But since it's perfect intimidate then fenris makes more sense.

[rapid dirge]

if i wanted to replace the chest for one with unbreakable what brand would be best?

[craggy trench]

ceska. petrov, belstone all good

[viscid fog]

I discovered I am Absolutely shit at pvp

how do i get better other than practice

[tardy thistle]

There is more than one door in the DZs.

[ripe root]

first, makesure u have standard pvp build, or builds
Then, keep playing pvp to learn different things, for example, game sense, strafe, build and skills counter measure etc.
When you play longer enough, those pvp experience give you advantage to guess opponents movement and target,

[ripe root]

Press M, Press X

Teleport to other zone which with shd turret

[tidal brook]

You don’t understand. It’s the general fact that people door camp like if they are a god at the game. In reality, No skill required to camp a door

[tidal brook]

I been playing since Div 1. I know how to teleport around different checkpoints.

When I had friends on div1 and 2. We never door camp. We find it annoying and boring to play against and do it. Plus it kills players enjoyment to even have the interest to kill you.

[tardy thistle]

I understand plenty, we door camped a group of four with two cheaters at West Echo yesterday. Only way to not get instantly blasted, got a mid 30 rank MH before one cheater finally decided to spawn at SH and blast us.

[ripe root]

No offense but honestly, why you got door camp, because you weak, you die when people rouge and they survive, if you strong and you kill them, how they door camp you if they are dead?
And it is dz, mercy are not a part of game, people have no responsibility to not door camp you

[tidal brook]

People say o go to a different checkpoint or area. You say that and follow them around.

[tidal brook]

Me getting door camp is weak? When a full manhunt is right there waiting for you to come out with hives. That’s weak on the player from checkpoint?

[ripe root]

Then why you can't kill them all before they kill you?

[tidal brook]

That’s literally called no skill required cuz you don’t use the dz as your advantage but use the checkpoint to farm instead.

[ripe root]

Before people door camp you, they kill you, why they kill you?

Because you lose a fight

[tardy thistle]

Spawn somewhere else and shoot them in the back?

[tidal brook]

You literally have couple secs to just get out of the door. By the time your player pops up. You instantly die. You literally can’t do anything

[tidal brook]

Done that. They all target me at once.

What can you do when 3-4 people shooting you synchronized

[ripe root]

I am not strong enough to against 4 people door camp me, but I believe I can against with 1-2 door camp at least

For other 2 I invite friend in my team or just change checkpoint

[tidal brook]

I never met a bad door camper in my entire division lifetime of playing.

[ripe root]

Person relationship also benefit you to invite people

[tidal brook]

I’m also not a god or a hacker to 1 man army them.

[tardy thistle]

Get some friends,

[tidal brook]

Forever a solo player. What friends do I have anymore in games?

[tidal brook]

What’s that?

[ripe root]

Number of people also a part in this game

[tidal brook]

I never met a person, and the person said, let’s be friends and play together. Let’s enjoy some dz together

I asked them. They are like, naw I have friends already.

Make friends is never a problem anymore for me. I just stay solo

[tidal brook]

Only way I said this.

[ripe root]

The don't carr about this since this is your choice, not mine, not people who camp you

[tidal brook]

Same with Destiny 2. What friends do I have there. I just end up solo the game by myself.

[tidal brook]

It is my choice. Less problems, less worries, less issues. And better myself. But something’s don’t better you, like getting door camped. Even when you’re tryna go around and being sneaky.

[tardy thistle]

Have you tried complaining about this on the Internet?

[tidal brook]

No. I just don’t care enough cuz people just say it’s skill issue.

Yet, everyone always have a set group somewhere or look at your stats and say, hell naw fam.

[lapis musk]

You care

[tidal brook]

Wym?

[tardy thistle]

Even farmers will be using 28 expertise Pestis, there is little in the game that can correct even a small mistake which means even a really good player can get killed easy by two mediocre players that can aim. Especially with how stickys like to just not work.

Just how things are.

[tidal brook]

All I’m getting from this convo. Is that, door camping is perfectly ok, you have skill issue if your are going against it.

Literally how this convo always end up being.

It’s never like, door camping should be going against. It’s never, door campers is annoying, door campers have no skill, door campers can’t wait outside and use the dz as their advantage.

Door camping convo always been like this since Div1. Many people are always with the door campers than against it.

[tardy thistle]

No one likes doorcamper, what does that change?

people will always go for an easy win, use another door.

[tidal brook]

Telling them to get friend online and join your group to go against, or go to a different checkpoint. It’s never like, yea door camping is awful, but I use it cuz it’s easy manhunt.

Telling them to get players or a different checkpoint is not going against. It’s just you saying it’s good but telling them to fight you, more of a challenge and have a bigger number for your manhunt. meanwhile you are camping the door

The topic is never against it. It’s always that.

[tidal brook]

Easy win means no skill required. Yet when you try sum and say sum that requires skill. People look at you crazy.

[lapis musk]

You saying it isn't going to change it though. They will do it because it annoys you and the more you keep going out the more funnier it gets for people who do it.

[tidal brook]

I go out once and leave. Less people or no people to kill, makes them boring and leave dz.

I’m just talking in general.

[lapis musk]

It's a thing in every pvp game

[tidal brook]

So people go for easy stuff, cuz they have skill issues. Got it.

[lapis musk]

Yes

[tidal brook]

So that means if you door camping, you always you have the biggest skill issue in DZ

[lapis musk]

Very boring looking at a door waiting for the next victim. But it happens every pvp game

[tidal brook]

Duh, your looking at a single door and insta kill them off rip

[tardy thistle]

The best players in the game will door camp if they are fighting people they don't like. also in a 4v8 it pays to not let the 8 gain any momentum.

[tidal brook]

So the best players also have skill issues

I miss div1 1 man v server running around everywhere. Sadly it’s not the same balance as before. You insta die and make runs short asf.

[tardy thistle]

Maybe try to articulate your thoughts rather than just keep saying skill issue? Hell you might even make some friends.

[tidal brook]

Even if you have a group. You don’t get damaged or die so quickly unlike now 😔

[lapis musk]

Maybe try conflict?

[tidal brook]

Years of me playing games. Never made a friend. Even on R6S. Solo play rank by myself

[simple wasp]

Just played solo against 2 umbra and 2 dps nemesis builds

[tidal brook]

Insta death

[simple wasp]

Safe to say it’s the worst team comp to play against for me, try get ground and you get melted instantly

[tidal brook]

I believe it.

[simple wasp]

With both nemesis players having pulse res too 🤣

Like can’t make this shit up

[tidal brook]

I use my arm regen build with bighorn and my clutch build. I always end up getting melted. It’s like arm regen isn’t effective anymore

[simple wasp]

Arm regen is my go to solo but it’s pointless when you get bursted

[tidal brook]

Rather run an all red build and 6 red at this point. Imma end up getting deleted anyways

Fk it, imma do GC vigi also

[simple wasp]

Coyotes puls res dps seems the only viable option with Vigi

[tidal brook]

Yep adding coyotes to the build also

More crit and dmg the merrier

Gawd, PvP needs heavy rebalancing, blues feels so weak even with arm regen

But knowing MSV since day one, on wony release. They tend not to care for PvP enough. Just minor adjustments and call it a day. PvE is their main focus

[wet badger]

there are plenty of players who think they can get an esy 1 on you by sitting on the door but fail, plenty of shit door campers lol

[wet badger]

use a full yellow fire build with creeping death

[sonic shadow]

why people comes to conflict specifically with pve builds or just rush with 6 red cores to bighorn users and get melted away 🥹

[mossy solstice]

Admittedly, he gets near max CHC and doesn't need to take any CHC mods. I run this exact build, since I recommended it. He would best probably slot in Petrov or Grupo. I say Petrov in this case since this build would main Iron Lung anyways

Grupo if you don't wanna rely solely on iron lung, it'll boost CHD for all guns

[obsidian owl]

What’s a good secondary ar ?

[mossy solstice]

Lexington would be best. If you don't have that, the FAMAS is best in burst damage. P416, M4, and G36C are all reliable options as well

[craggy trench]

with everything rolled chc its only 49.5 chc so not sure how you did that

[rapid dirge]

at 48/152.5 atm. was honestly just thinking of putting in a bellstone with same rolls except exp resistance to get better armr regen

[wet badger]

probably season objective

[craggy trench]

that works

[rapid dirge]

Is cluster or seeker mine better for conflict?

[golden ermine]

Skill issue

[golden ermine]

Didnt see this til after i said that, crazy

[wet badger]

the one that goes boom

[haughty dirge]

Ive noticed lately in conflict where fighting someone puts him inside like a smoke grenade or something.. i have inspected few players but cant seem to find any talent or anything. Its like when my target is about to die he disappears in a cloud of smoke but is still able to fully hit me without missing a shot. Any input?

[haughty dirge]

@wet badger ty

[true snow]

What are some capacitor pvp builds?

[floral hearth]

Damn I have almost the same one but using 3 gila guard with Nightwatcher to support my teammates

9/10 build

[rapid dirge]

This is what I use hits hard but u do have quite low armour

[rapid dirge]

Yh quite tanky I like it just a pain fighting regen players tho

[wet badger]

using decoy and pulse on that build is a waste

you need actual useful skills

[mossy solstice]

im unsure myself because this is the exact ish setup i have and its 58% chc

https://mxswat.github.io/mx-division-builds/#/CzC0CZQZg0EZQAYkuW1HEC44HZYyQLomaY6gAcoArLAjZKc+eGJIWS9zgGwGxuXcnHbRBwoWizheATlrw4dOHJiqwqujymSsunrn2TUxg0A

sure a few pieces are swapped but thats the exact setup

oh thats why 💀 my bad. im a moron. all chc mods

not chd

its been a long few weeks my bad 💀

[haughty dirge]

I like messenger bag, picaros holster, 2x palisade, fenris, walker. With technician specialist thats 4 skill tiers

[rapid dirge]

i use s hive n defender

[wet badger]

hive is shit

[rapid dirge]

what do u use then

[wet badger]

Sticky

[tardy thistle]

If you can accurately hit shots you are most likely fine for DPS, what you need is a skill that give you another option on how to fight. Anything that staggers or prevents shooting.

[rapid dirge]

burn or explosive for conflict?

[mystic fiber]

I think most players have have a haz pro build to counter it but i think even less players have explosive resistance seeing as my teammates get mortared while im the only1 left 😅

[wet badger]

Both will work, if u want to push an angle and kill a guy u use burn, if u get a Grupo on the build you can use explosive, land some shots at range, build capacitor stacks, then on the next trade if the guy has a medium armour build go trade with him a little and hit a direct impact sticky to his body and instantly detonate it, u might want a better bind than Q or E for this one. Follow up with a frag grenade to finish.

If he is close then u never go for direct impact, just flick to the floor so it doesn't disappear, shooting a sticky on a moving target on insta cast causes it to disappear and go on 5s cooldown, if u want to land a sticky on a moving target u must hold it in your hand, so tap to hold and click to fire.

[limber cedar]

Anybody else is getting a you have been pulsed! warning when NPCs activate your exodus gloves on the DZ? Despite not having nearby players in a 110m radius (pulse max range)?

[sonic shadow]

please make pve kids stop being in conf

[ripe root]

emp or burn, no explosive since it having less value, compare with other sticky
burn apply burn to stop people shot who with no hazard, but cd is long and smaller range
emp range is bigger means you having less chance to miss than fire, also cd is short

[simple wasp]

pvp bh headshot build what do u guys think

[ancient acorn]

memento sucks for PvP unless you're just landmakr farming

I'd also probably go Picaro's over Habsburg Guard and move Habsburg Guard to mask

[simple wasp]

just want a good bh dmg build

[ancient acorn]

Basic PvP Starter's Guide Y6S2 check out the regen build

[simple wasp]

that isnt umbra lol

[ancient acorn]

if you want more damage , you can trade regen brands for Fenris Group AB, Providence Defense, Habsburg Guard with contractor's, fox's picaro's

[simple wasp]

just missing the walker bp

[ancient acorn]

if you have emperor's you can work that in

replace with Gila Guard backpack

[simple wasp]

ok

ty

[ancient acorn]

you could just use a Uzina Getica bag until you get Matador

can also try fitting in 2 pc Golan Gear Ltd if that's easier

[simple wasp]

ive got hunter killer

if thats good

[ancient acorn]

some people prefer it over perfect efficient

could do that and Golan Gear Ltd bag keeping everything else the same

[simple wasp]

what would u change from that

[ancient acorn]

that's pretty solid IMO if you don't have emperor's or Matador.

[simple wasp]

i have emperors

just the matador i have doesnt have armour

it has dmg

[ancient acorn]

could do 3 Golan Gear Ltd emepero's and Belstone Armory then

ditch Gila. same regen, more total armor

[simple wasp]

i have seen some 2.2mil armour players

[ancient acorn]

typically a lot of expertise on gear

[simple wasp]

probably

i wouldnt have time to grind the resources lol

let alone the levels for expertise

[ancient acorn]

yeah expertise comes with time, but considering you'll eventually want the matador bag, I wouldn't bother expertising this particular setup anyways.

it's nothing you can overcome by just outplaying them IMO

[simple wasp]

very true

also need eagle bearer

for my striker build

[ancient acorn]

just gotta find a raid in lfg

[rapid dirge]

Thank you for the explanation 👍🏾. What keybind do u use ?

[wet badger]

uzina is terrible

[wet badger]

I use 4 different binds for sticky depending on what other buttons im pressing, I have an alien mouse.

[ancient acorn]

Yeah but it’s easy to get and would work short term if you couldn’t be arsed to find another bag or build layout. Habs would be a better req tbf

[wet badger]

If he wants a DMG Bighorn I still think u main Catharsis + Perfect Efficient, its the other 4 you can change, I recommend Striker with HZP as it has the most potential but its ok to use Fox's & Contractor with HS rolls everywhere, Fenris, Picaro and a Bag with Concussion

[wet badger]

If u dont use HZP u will get foamed

something like this

Its just inferior to Striker

[wet badger]

This is how u would use an Explosive Sticky

[limber cedar]

This stick exploded the FPS also.

[wet badger]

If u think losing 1 FPS counts

[tawdry pier]

can't "popshot" it or whatever this is

will lead to a phantom hit

[wet badger]

IF the target is moving

This is a good example of what can be done with a DMG version of Bighorn, no regen build can do this. With HZP rolls instead of red HS rolls u can avoid dying to foam, its not like u need the extra 40% HSD anyway...

Had i killed the players drone and finished the player I could have survived because of Firewall's Health on Kill... then i would have had time to insta kit into a full kill push kill the Pesti guy and chain another run, oh well.

[empty ice]

is there an active pvp/pve discord with voice channels?

[tardy thistle]

Terrible, trying to get Intimidate going with Memento in PvP is just not a good idea.

[rapid dirge]

share the build? and im using blast radius and damage mod on exp sticky should i replcae any?

[wet badger]

I would drop a blue for a yellow and change Prov > Ceska

Its an old build not updated

[tardy thistle]

Anyone know the LMG PvP multiplier?

[ripe root]

It's bug

You can't landing sticky if your pop shot hit body directly

[tardy thistle]

@craggy trench LMG has a 0.3329 PvP multiplier like SMGs and pistols, which is missing from the PvP guide. Also Chameleon and Big Horn rifle mode are 0.3329.

[empty ice]

What's currently best HS build with bighorn?

[craggy trench]

I think it's posted somewhere in the google sheets but I'll add all the modifiers on there

[floral hearth]

I had the same one but sticky bomb wasnt strong enough... I see is necessary expertise 27

Let's start road to sticky build

[wet badger]

Depends on the situation

this ones reliable

[limber cedar]

I got a bighorn build with SC and weapon handling (it's cursed bcs I'm not putting HSD attributes, I know but it just works )

[rapid dirge]

sc?

[floral hearth]

There's few ones I use if the situation need it:

Bighorn with 243% Headshot damage (Full Headshot)
Bighorn with 173% Headshot damage + 105k regen (Typical Regen)
Bighorn with 173% Headshot damage + HazPro
Bighorn with Striker set (not worth imo)

And yeah I use this on Console...

[limber cedar]

System corruption

[empty ice]

Thanks

[wet badger]

System Corruption was nerfed into the core of the 🌍 by developers that don't play their own game a week after Project Resolve aka 1 year ago, it's a worthless gear set unless you're that Chinese guy with melee then it's ok.

[wet badger]

Bighorn w/ Striker is a harder build to use but with the highest potential, you find me a clip of another Bighorn build that can melt like the clip I provided further up.

[floral hearth]

Your YT channel is?

[wet badger]

On my profile linked

But the clip is in this chat, I don't self promote in here as such.

[golden ermine]

Ngl, i think sc still works but has very niche uses

[mossy solstice]

Sadly have to agree with this 💔 Sys Corr is my favorite gearset out of the whole game. Sadly, it's just... Shit. It's really only good at fighting against 1v1 bighorn builds or anti-pulse from heartbreaker or pulse skills. Even then it still barely manages to keep up. The issue with the gearset is the excessively long cooldown with the talent. The chest shrinks it by 5 seconds. Issue is that the chest talent Unbreakable is a must with system corruption. Obliterate isn't viable, nor is Glass, and Intimidate is barely usable. Only with Matador or Memento. Still niche regardless. Only way to buff this gearset is to double its damage from the bonus armor or to increase the duration of which your bonus armor stays for 10s, but your nameplate returns after 5s. Having both operate at the same time is too short for time. Can't nerf the cooldown time because then it'll be overpowered. You could, but if you remove the buff damage idea... But still, means it just makes using a decoy with that gearset even more meta 🤷 too many caveats rn

They COULD tweak it so the backpack gives double the damage too. Right now the backpack gives 100% bonus armor instead of 50%. I think that would be best case scenario 🤷 if not double damage at least 30% or so

[wet badger]

Exactly, the gear set was designed as homage to div 1, then they made insta kits rendering the gear set useless, until we figured out u could combine both at the same time, even then it was underwhelming but the devs knee jerk nerfed it for no reason, it needs an entire overhaul/rework

[mossy solstice]

True Patriot needs a serious buff as well. Both Gearsets do. I love both of them a lot but they're so .. terrible

[wet badger]

I want to see TP Pesti return

[mossy solstice]

I have one 😩 I do occasionally whip it out. Ticks are low but 130 mag size says otherwise

[wet badger]

Im so bored of Efficient + Ad rush

[mossy solstice]

Efficient + ad rush or just umbra all the time

Or it's the same lame ass pesti user who shows up with full red umbra and deletes the entire squad

[empty ice]

Can i use another mask or do i need that

[wet badger]

Catharsis is non-negotiable

[tidal brook]

I don’t want that happen again

I’ll cry if that meta returns

It was so brutal to deal with

[wet badger]

i liked it

good for 1vserver

[empty ice]

@wet badger You know the bighorn build you posted

What was on it

Was it just head/crit and regen?

[amber ice]

Unless there was some major change this Season, the build listed in the builds section (PvP menu) of the spreadsheet should be a lot of help.
#td2-build-advice > 📌 > spreadsheet 2 > builds > PvP.

[mossy solstice]

You're on PC, and 10% of this games 10% PvP playerbase doesn't cheat. Meaning, you're most likely to run into a cheater. Most of the frequent names you see really is how far this games pvp playerbase extends

Dark Zone falls victim heavily to this very same thing. When a cheater shows up, even if they're running scripts or programs, pvp fun is ruined

Div 2 is entirely revolved around dishing the most damage in a short amount of time, having the best optimal build and having the best overall counter to whatever build fighting another build

It's got a very unique pvp platform but it needs serious rework. The cheating problem just makes it worse. That's why I usually stick to dark zone and not conflict. I know most of the DZ rogues that frequent there and yes there's cheating amongst the rogues, but there is still fun pvp (toggled off ofc)

What region are you in? I play US Easter servers. Conflict right now will be a little busy, probably the cheaters stayed up since it is Thursday 5 AM for me

I know between the hours of 8 AM and about 12 PM, it'll be dead

Since you're US west that puts you around what, 2 AM?

Conflict for sure probably full of cheaters rn

Best to wait around 8 and noon for you

Where the playerbase will be at its lowest possible peak, you won't get cheaters and there will actually be fair pvp

I got you 🔥🔥

What build do you run for it?

PC pvp on this game is the hardest to get into. Cheaters make it even harder

Ah you went for a Regen type build. While Regen isn't bad, it's just this overall setup is probably why you're getting melted so easily. I love the synergy you have with capacitor and the hive skill, it's awesome. Did you know there's this meta gearset in pvp that's called "Umbra"? It's absolutely worth taking with the capacitor

Take it into pvp with capacitor

Trust 🔥🔥

Now, it all depends tho, are you going for armor umbra or mostly skill tiers and weapon damage?

If you're going armor umbra, that's when I say ditch capacitor and run iron lung

I recommend that yes

Mostly on umbra I just use decoy / defender drone

Ninjabike slots better on umbra, as opposed to a Regen type build

Real 😂😂 you either lean fully into skills or you don't. The attribute system won't allow for rainbow builds

You could go 4 PC umbra, Ceska backpack with vigi, and coyote mask

Run it as a 3/3 setup (3r3b)

Take pestilence

😩😩 melt the lobby

In dz you could even go 5 blue 2 red and take 4 PC umbra with memento backpack and a Ceska piece (keep umbra chest it's important)

The armor Regen from memento + umbra stacks in cover heal stupid fast

Watch the talents on their talent bar 👀

And it depends on who you are watching for that content

There's been several creators caught posting builds online and then in the video they tweak it so it looks like it does more damage (glass cannon was snuck in)

YouTube ideally really should only be used to learn the raid mechanics or quick information regarding the games future. Build videos I don't recommend watching from anyone OTHER than Dod Regnbue or iKia

DJ Tickle is also a solid source

YouTube is too full of gimmick builds because nobody wants to see the same 4 PC striker setups or other meta setups

Well, that's because striker is quite literally the best in the game 😂 it's reliable at all content, even PVP. Ish. Depends still. But the point still stands lol

I like using new stuff but I theorized my own builds and asked the great nerds over in #td2-build-advice

If I'm gonna be doing new builds or attempting to put a new build together, I like to post my templates and inquire about feedback. It's always good to double check numbers and double check with the playerbase that KNOWS their shit. I don't want some 20k subs channel telling me a build is good and then promote boosting services 😂😂

[wet badger]

Always headshot and hazard.

[mossy solstice]

Negotiators hits in pvp too just gotta keep them marked

Good for breaking apart group campers too

Tempted to pair Nego with St Elmo's and run it with hella blue cores

I currently run it with ouroboros 😪

It's nasty. But my god you should've seen it before they nerfed it 😩

Was the king of SMG's. Didn't even need a damage talent. Now they all do just to be viable

Literally cannot drop AR's or LMG's this season. Same like last season

[rapid dirge]

What they nerf on oroboro 🙃

[floral hearth]

I just saw you reached 570k damage on PVP that's impressive

[wet badger]

RPM, then they buffed the RPM of the Chatterbox and everything else on it to make it twice as OP at the Ouro ever was