td2-pvp-discussions

[wet badger]

They should have re-made last stand, conflict is an awful experience

[meager swift]

Last Stand was awesome in Div 1

We can only hope with the likes of Julien at the Helm again they will get Div 3 PvP back to a good place where it was in Div 1

[wet badger]

I think we just need devs that play the game, play PvP, devs that arent told to run off to another project

[meager swift]

I wont even comment on Heartland lol

[ripe root]

In my standard, hazard build having at least 80%
is necessary to build 100 fire resistant? Personally yes if you consider fire grenade

[wet badger]

But with Cavalier existing haz builds becomes less and less necessary, + with heals now giving 50% haz its even less a reason to make a haz build, just go 50% and run thru fire with a heal, you can have a dmg build an still be immune, why ever go hazard

[ripe root]

I agree hazard build less necessary because of cavalier

BTW crypto I haven't pvp in a long time, especially in eu , if you are willing to Invite me later?

[stable gulch]

Last stand was the best

wish they made that in div 2 or something similar

[alpine tendon]

What’s the best skills for pvp

[neat musk]

fire sticky

foam

really up to you

[alpine tendon]

and defender drone?

[ripe root]

No best, choose skill depends your build and situation

[wet badger]

'best' this 'best' that doesnt cut it in this game, only the thing that best suits the situation, the best thing to do is adapt

[alpine tendon]

are the explosive mines also good? and how do i use the fire stuff

[ripe root]

Overall explosive mine not good, any experience player can dodge it easily

[alpine tendon]

So fire sticky foam is better?

[ripe root]

Depends on what build you using

[inland tusk]

I just use the ole decoy + pulse and let the gun do the talking

If you wanna be annoying just put on chem foam

[alpine tendon]

I wouldn’t call it dps but it does do a ton of damage

[alpine tendon]

The fire foam?

[ripe root]

Capture of your build

[alpine tendon]

It’s all striker blue with coyote mask and zero fs with unbreakable

I’m using ouro

I’m using defender drone rn but I need to know what’s another good skill with it

[inland tusk]

Riot foam

[inland tusk]

Gruppo + unbreakable or ob

[ripe root]

Foam chem/ defender drone/ emp sticky/ decoy

[alpine tendon]

Which would u recommend

[alpine tendon]

What’s gruppo

[inland tusk]

Zero fs only choice for me when I go highend shotty builds

[alpine tendon]

Wait no I’m using ceska chest with obliterate

So I can kill faster

[inland tusk]

Ceska not good with ouro

You're overkilling your chc

Gruppo > ceska when ouro involved and it's main weapon

[inland tusk]

Grupo Sombra S.A. piece

[ripe root]

For beginners, I recommend defender drone and emp sticky

[alpine tendon]

What does it give

[inland tusk]

15% CHD

[alpine tendon]

Oh yeah I need that I have max crit hit chance

[inland tusk]

Most likely do, even if you invest your whole build to all CHD you're still gona overkill with ceska when ouro

[alpine tendon]

So in pvp with ouro more chd way faster killing speed?

[inland tusk]

Depends

The issue is not CHD > CHC

It's the fact you're past the CHC threshold (60%)

[alpine tendon]

So I should be focusing more on chd

[alpine tendon]

Is fire foam or riot foam better for pvp?

[steel hedge]

Not true. Even with you going over cap ceska and Groupo are essentially the same for Oreo striker. Groupo ends up doing 0.05% more DPS but running ceska is going to benefit your secondary weapon if it’s not another smg
Ceska with chd and hsd will do the most (aim dependent)

[inland tusk]

Show me a clip where someone with a striker ouro build runs anything other than ouro lol

[neat musk]

this is not true

hes playing conflict

no 10% from watch

and if he isnt its still only 53 CHC

using groupo or ceska would make negligible difference

also makes swapping to EB better if need be

and a good rolled ceska is used in basically every PVP DPS build

[neat musk]

just use riot

[alpine tendon]

Alr

[steel hedge]

I can show you plenty of clips where people use picaros….I recently had this question answered by raucey and dod.
Without wearing an exotic for Oreo bis is ceska sokolov. With any exotic its ceska / Groupo

[wet badger]

In order to hit a crit you need crit chance, the strength of the crit is crit damage, you just need enough CHC to get close to 60 then u dump everything else into CHD

[crystal scaffold]

Is the yaahl gearset a pvp only set? Or how does one get the hollow man mask

[tawdry pier]

It's a dz exclusive

And if you're talking about the brand's usage it really works well with hazpro builds but they're very niche in pve only in IH would you use it

In pvp it's used for pulse resistance

[steel hedge]

Yaahl along with the hollowman are dz exclusives.

I use 1 piece yaahl with regen and hazard rolls as part of a hazpro tank build in IH.

The hollowman mask if you can get one with crit already on it (so you can roll weapon damage as it will always come with an armor core) is great for razorback on DH.
Razorback is all health and armor plating.
Similar to how ARs having DTH are good against war hounds and chungas. Weak points on razorback are armor plating (rav) and the top is all health (AR)

[inland tusk]

I'm so confused with the picaros mention

[inland tusk]

Noticed afterwards then mentioned to him that ceska IS better for conflict yeah

[steel hedge]

Misread your comment and thought you were still going on about Groupo. Ouro is a close range gun. I run ouro with a shield splinter on turrets and tanker for the incursion. People use to use it with a Famas all the time before the update.

For PvP usually have different weapons for longer range encounters. Also a variety of shotguns come to mind for conflict where I would benefit from having a higher crit chance

[inland tusk]

I recommend giving a shot at a 1 tap build for incurs, at least first 2 areas you clear chungas and both turrets v fast

[steel hedge]

Yea I have but honestly not the biggest fan of them. Makes killing all the ads take longer and all the chungas die super quick anyways when shot in the ass.

My group sometimes runs 2 on tanker for a drone on each side and the doorway chunga when doing speeds

[inland tusk]

Then you're using the wrong 1 tap lol

4pc striker, punch drunk and the exo holster i forgot the name of should be enough with a d50 or reg

Still melt ads like butter

[craggy trench]

ceska/sokolov is the best combo for gearsets and exotic smgs when not using coyotes or another exotic gear piece

[steel hedge]

Dodge city.

You mind elaborating on how you think I’m using it wrong?

Using that build does make killing general adds take longer and even more so if using reg over ouro.

[inland tusk]

Could be a platform thing tbh, I just know that the ttk difference is not THAT big to make a dent specially when you have 3 others actively killing too

[alpine tendon]

Hi for pvp riot foam would I want more foam health or more foam ensnare duration

Also would I want more ammo or more duration or radius

[ripe root]

Duration

[neat musk]

duration then radius

[alpine tendon]

Alright ty

[sudden lagoon]

Watching a cheat off in dark zone is funny

[alpine tendon]

What’s a good mask for pvp

[ancient acorn]

kinda depends on the rest of the build...

[alpine tendon]

I’m using 4 piece strikers and chest with obliterate and chatarsis

[inland tusk]

Coyote's, catharsis wont do much there

Can do but won't be super efficient hence why people run matador/memento

[alpine tendon]

Catharsis talent isn’t good in pvp?

It seems broken

[inland tusk]

It is when you have a lot of armor

[alpine tendon]

I have 1.7

[inland tusk]

In the end it's optional though

I just dont find much utility from catharsis out of tanky/regen builds

Actually now that I see it, might be worth since you're on console lol

On pc people laser you from 30m away

[ripe root]

Far from enough

[alpine tendon]

How much do I need

[ripe root]

Far from enough because you using obliterate
Basically if you have no other things which also provide survivability, then catharsis may not really worth

[alpine tendon]

Oh ok

So I would need like 2m?

[alpine tendon]

Or more?

[ripe root]

I would say, catharsis or obliterated, choose 1, no both

Also, I strongly recommend you to copy and paste those pvp meta build exactly, do not make any changes
I feel some annoying because me and other people answer your build for a weeks but obviously it doesn't helpful
No worry I am not angry at you, but answering each question just meaningless if it doesn't improve you anything, for example build sense
Just copy and paste, then getting experience from combat, to know what makes build success, I believe it better and more effective to learn pvp

[inland tusk]

You wont go far with only 1 build anyways regardless of how meta it is there's always counters to it

[alpine tendon]

Well where is a meta build for ouro

[inland tusk]

Are you looking for raw damage ouro, or more survivability based

@alpine tendon

Because like deco said

There isn't ONE meta build

You can take a "Default" one and alter it to different occasions

For ouro the meta is 4x strikers + 2 other pieces of your liking

[alpine tendon]

Uh

[alpine tendon]

Yeah that’s what I’m using rn

With a ceska top with obliterate

[inland tusk]

And what's your current issue with the build?

[alpine tendon]

And chatarsis

Not enough durvivability

Survivablity

[inland tusk]

Take a guess on why's that a reason

How does catharsis work?

How is your main playstyle also plays a HUGE part

If you're always out in the open taking fire from 30 angles then you're no god to tank all of that

[alpine tendon]

Alright

[inland tusk]

So not enough survivability means:
A Catharsis procs requires a lot of armor (which is why it's mostly used on regens so you can get the stacks often)
B: strikers overall doesn't offer much survivability
C: Ceska OB mainly provides even more damage on top of the strikers ouro combo

What people USUALLY run is with pieces like matador where ADrush always gives you extra armor on 5s cooldown or even memento would be a good combo with the ceska ob if you're killing fast enough

[alpine tendon]

Should I be using catharsis or coyote

[inland tusk]

🫤

[alpine tendon]

Nvm

[inland tusk]

Catharsis is alreadya no go

[alpine tendon]

Yeah

[inland tusk]

Coyote's is situational + varies a lot

[alpine tendon]

Yeah

But

I want a mask that gives armor

But also high dps

[inland tusk]

But why a mask and not another piece?

[alpine tendon]

Because if it’s not a mask ima end up using Coyote and that takes away my armor

[inland tusk]

Strikers on it's own already deals a lot of dps it's mostly about getting stacks which ouro fixes that

How many blue cores are you using

[alpine tendon]

All blue

The attrivutes are all red

So they all give me armor

[inland tusk]

Well at this point regardless of what I say

You'll mention catharsis back so I take it you're not open to any other pieces it seems

Best answer is to just work it out and learn a play style around it ig

[alpine tendon]

Well what’s a good exotic to have for pvp then?

[inland tusk]

back to square 1

You don't need to have 2 exotics on each build

Some exotics works better on certain builds

Ill just send you some builds and then you think what you want of it lol

[alpine tendon]

Ok

[wet badger]

catharsis is very strong on that build, like insanely strong, with a 6 blue version of this, u can hit 170k crit bodyshots SOLO. Catharsis is one of the best pieces to pair with striker, but it does depend on the striker variant.

[inland tusk]

But he wants survivability not more damage on top that strikers alone already does

[wet badger]

catharsis offers survivability, if hes struggling to stay alive then he should change obliterate for unbreakable

but that build insta melts, it wins almost every facetrade

[inland tusk]

Catharsis offers more damage than survivability lol that's the issue, you have to reach proc 30 to get the small amount of heals by that time either of the 2 fighting is already dead, it does melt which is what I mentioned multiple times that striker is no survival build and more of a shoot and ask questions later

All it takes is 1 foam or 1 emp and he's gg

[ripe root]

Well that heal doesn't small, total 50% in 10 second
Main problem is, before you get 30 stack or get 50 heal over, you get melt with div2 short ttk, without other things to support survivability like armor regen, Unbreakable, adrush etc., you can't take 30 shot

[inland tusk]

Exactly my point

At least not on a striker build

10s is also a pretty long time to get healed only 50% which prolongs that even further

[ripe root]

not sure if striker with catharsis and efficient variant good or not since I don't have much data about it, at least 8n theory it provides sustain to striker

[inland tusk]

Can work but unbreakable will always be the better option

[ripe root]

Imo combat time less than 15s then Unbreakable
Otherwise efficient should be better?

[inland tusk]

Can also be a 1v1 situation or 1v2+

Idk anyways it's mostly down to playstyle the majority of it

[ripe root]

Yeah of course

[wet badger]

Unbreakable is only better if you are struggling, it's a cope talent, definitely good if you don't know how to isolate players, u can just run in and ape a facetank without much thought, get the 1 kill and then die, with this you obvs don't want catharsis.

But if your plan is to run in and ape 1 kill but actually survive for the next fight then yes catharsis is amazing, if you combine it with a medkit you can strafe on your heal on reload, tap an insta kit and it all adds up, and yes having more damage = more survivability, the quicker u kill someone the less damage u take.

[inland tusk]

Idk what kind of dz you're in that you can simply survive with strafing using catharsis medkit and striker

[toxic sail]

It really depends what scenario you're in. I don't like unbreakable for server fighting at all. The moment youre out of medkits with a 2m kit pretty much means you're dead. I prefer either regen intimidate or efficient of some sort.

[inland tusk]

That's true theres plenty combos

But my op about catharsis still remains

By the time you get it to 30 stacks you'll be at 20% health with a medkit popped and a 50% 10s heal cloud with all of your damage gone

[toxic sail]

yeah in the case you were mentioning way above. catharsis with striker obliterate is a terrible idea

[inland tusk]

If you disregard your enemies ability to also pop a medkit and maybe have a good chest talent then gg

It's pretty situational

[toxic sail]

just play with a healer and go 1.6 dude

ez clap

[inland tusk]

Rofl

I mean I do that sht alone idc lol

Dying is fine by me if I can take 10 players as well

Was having a blast yesterday with a damn full red raid build #td2-build-advice message

Made them swap to seeker mines to try and get me out because peeking me = death

[toxic sail]

feel like you could achieve the same if not more dmg with a 1.6 rpk tbh

[inland tusk]

Not a huge fan of rpk but yeah I seen some melt indeed

The old bleed/spotter lmg melter

[toxic sail]

i use either 1.2 or 1.6 spotter vigi with l86 or rpk and that shit is insane

[inland tusk]

Yup

I have to make one of those still but cba

Whenever I want to make the server rage I just use that build above and spam cover peek kills

But if they manage to hit 3 bullets I'm kissing the floor instantly

[inland tusk]

Have you tried sniper builds with GC yet lol

1 tap everything and their moms included

[toxic sail]

if i go glass cannon i usually go regulus tbh. i still need to give ekim's a shot or perfect focus mantis.

wouldnt be caught dead using determined

[inland tusk]

Regen reg is the way though

Annoying ass build

[toxic sail]

oh im hip ive got like 7 regy builds saved lmfao

[inland tusk]

Lmao

That gun makes pvp a joke

[toxic sail]

i main console so it really hits em with a curveball

shit is like an alien on there

[inland tusk]

Meanwhile its mega meta on pc

Mouse and controller debate all over again

[toxic sail]

100%. max turn speed on console makes it kinda meh

but still op if you can go crazy with it

[inland tusk]

I don't even know what builds are ran on console

Striker oreo?

[toxic sail]

meta crit 2.0

and that yeah

[inland tusk]

Ah

[toxic sail]

lots of shotty players as well. pretty much oreo and shotguns

good players use famas/big horn

[inland tusk]

So nothing changed lol

Div1 pop shotgun strikers

[toxic sail]

lol yep

comp fights are pretty fun tbh. lady death/famas

like 1.6 intimidate lady death

[inland tusk]

Lady death overall is a fun gun

Intices you to use movement wish more gear/weapons did that

There's a few that it's only about cover or no movement but only lady has movement talent I think

[toxic sail]

definitely a fun gun for sure

[inland tusk]

Have they fixed efficient yet

Haven't checked lately

[toxic sail]

wym fixed? like it doesnt give 50% on instakits?

[inland tusk]

Was that the only issue it had before?

[toxic sail]

i believe that was all

could be wrong though

[inland tusk]

Istg it feels like it gave more normal kit regen before atleast from firewall

Like you could tank A LOT nowadays you can see the armor going down through the regen

Might just be a me thing idk

[toxic sail]

i have no idea tbh

[rain hazel]

Why is no private conflict? Like in raids that you can invite 7 other people for your teammates and for your enemy team and play conflict with and against you who you want?

[random edge]

yeah a custom game would be good

[low valve]

It’d be a good way to test PvP builds too

[tawdry pier]

There should be an option to disable watch bonus % to better build around conflict honestly

[wet badger]

I can guarantee you that this combo is not a terrible idea, next time u are on PC i invite you to get me on the other side and i will personally show u.

Clips of said build combo in action:

• https://streamable.com/yk8qkr
• https://streamable.com/h7uecs

[inland tusk]

I refuse to believe you sent these clips lol
On the second clip catharsis literally did nothing at all rofl
Other clips it was just a well positioning + firewall medkit and ouro striker farming dz bots

I was gonna mention that the last clip would've been the only actual good visualization on how it's good but you were just melting them 1 by 1 because they clearly have no clue what they're doing rofl

1 emp and you're fumbled

he wanted more survivability but all you show is how strong striker ouro is

Don't get me wrong like I mentioned before, it's not a bad combo specially if you can manage to keep catharsis at 20-29 stacks you can absolutelly be a melter

[wet badger]

emp doesnt do much, just roll

[inland tusk]

Noticed you don't use haz, all it takes is one funky iron lung build too

[wet badger]

and what im saying is if u kill the player faster he cant do damage to you and then you are better set up for the next fight

[inland tusk]

Yes but that doesn't work for the person that asked for "more survivability"

They clearly don't have the knowledge and techs you do lol

[inland tusk]

But yes I 100% agree with that

[wet badger]

yes it does - change obliterate > unbreakable, why change catharsis? what else do u put?

[inland tusk]

So you tell me a new dz player would do just as well as you did with the same build?

[wet badger]

obviously not

[inland tusk]

Can be many things tbh it all depends on what type of builds I'm going against

[wet badger]

give some examples then

[inland tusk]

Well for survivability I already gave some above

[wet badger]

because u are actually limited due to overcapping chc on anything that gives 2 attributes

sokolov chest is a given right?

[inland tusk]

Eh why would you wanna run that

[wet badger]

because ouroborrrrrrrrr

very easy gun to use

[inland tusk]

Ok but still why use sokolov?

[wet badger]

not many options, i had ceska on the last clips

[inland tusk]

Agreed

[inland tusk]

Fair enough

Yeah ouroboros is something else in pvp

Ngl I thought it would've gotten some nerfs by new but I'm happy they didn't

[wet badger]

IMO that gun just needs its base RPM nerfed to 1200 like every other vector, then move 5% of that RPM to the mod 10>15%, then the gun will be balanced

[inland tusk]

Then people will just use dark winter instead

[wet badger]

this is a PvP channel

[inland tusk]

Yes?

[wet badger]

Dark Winter?

-_-

[inland tusk]

?

50% chd for 10s pretty much will "almost" give the same results as the ouro except slower ofc

That is if you can funnel kills which seems you can handle with easy judging by the clips

[inland tusk]

tbh I feel like if they do nerf it to 1200 rpm then the gun will be useless, because the talent is already meh and just a 5%+ increase on mods won't really save it

That gun sole purpose is it's rpm lol

[wet badger]

my point is to nerf the scaling with striker, its too much, moving some rpm to the mod means less scales with striker

u can make the mod 20%

i just think the base rpm should NOT be 1466 or whatever it is

[inland tusk]

Maybe but at this point might as well just leave it, you can easily counter striker ouro anyways

Regulus is still a thing anyways

[wet badger]

you can scroll up and see my balance suggestions

[inland tusk]

1485 yeah

[inland tusk]

Meh like I said it needs no balancing, striker is and has always been an kill before you get shoot build so it does what it says

All it takes is 1 funky guy with a sniper from across the door to kill u lol or the cursed iron lung build

[wet badger]

i meaent balance suggestions, these cover all the weapon classes, i did go into detail

quite a scroll

[inland tusk]

Ah I see, I might take a look then

[wet badger]

here

@inland tusk wait... are u IHezu?

lol ur the guy who plays with wookar, one of the most notorious cheaters in div 2, and u have been seen with him on MULTIPLE occasions, you have obviously seen how the servers are complaining about ur barcode team mate cheating - aimbotting, in addition to that you also play with GAVXBL who is cheating in div 1, i have seen that guy on multiple occasions telling people on div 2 to go to div 1 - I WONDER WHY.

These are the people you are in a clan with.

Care to explain yourself? Because this makes no sense, the way you portray yourself in this discord but in the game you are siding with cheaters as they carry u into manhunt.

I tracked u, if u want evidence of u grouped with a cheater track yourself, if u want more evidence i can provide my own perspective u in a 4 man group against me while wookar carry's u with aimbot :DSDDDDD you are hilarious

[inland tusk]

How dare I group up with them lmao gav is a guy I used to play with on division 1 xbox a while guy, wokar on the other hand idk much about him

[wet badger]

how dare you? yes how dare u play with cheaters, yes u heard that right

[inland tusk]

Not like ubisoft is doing a single thing anyways 🤷 also I don't need wokar to get manhunt idk where you got that from

[amber ice]

Both of you, time to move along. Take it to DMs, not here.

[meager swift]

Now we wouldn't have problems like this if Massive actually went all out and started banning the cheaters both in PvP and PvE. The game is freakin riddled with them now, I have even tagged all the Dev team on Twitter (Julian, Yannick, Daria , DivGame) with video evidence of blatant cheaters in PvE open world "Call for Backup" and not even one response to it....

It would be nice to see the Dev team do like many other games do (Rainbow 6 , COD, Rust, Tarkov ) and the list goes on , report how many cheaters are perma banned each month , this gives the whole community a bit of faith that something is actually getting done behind the scenes , If only Ubisoft / Massive would make up their own anticheat software like EA / CoD has done and finally get rid of easyanticheat.

**Rivens **, I'm sure you have a line of comms to people in the Dev team been a moderator / admin on here and as somewhat a middle person with them , can you push this subject up the tree and come back with us to where they stand on cleaning up the game ?

[inland tusk]

Its most likely not going to happen and if it does I doubt they will budge an eye on it. They know the game is infested with cheaters they don't need a server moderator to point it out it's all a matter of is it worth them doing anything at all at this point I mean let's say they do fix the cheaters issue for a few months. What would that change beneficialy for them at all? The pvp side of this game has already been dead for a very long time it seems as everyone knows each other at least majority of the times you can tell a few names each time you get into a dz so them doing anything major about is off the charts at least from what I can tell

Now pve wise I'm not so sure about, haven't met many cheaters in pve except very few encounters in countdown or legendaries and I've played pve a whole lot more than pvp. Uncertain to see what approach they would take honestly I fee like since the majority of them are mostly pvp they probably wouldn't care much either

Besides they have been battling against bugs they themselves create since resolve specially the current psn issue going on

[meager swift]

Have noticed quite a few in Countdown , probably because we get pushed to Asia servers

[toxic sail]

Lmao all you had to say was 1 word and that's ouroborus. Not sure how I managed to not even take that into account. but yeah striker obliterate ouro is easily the #1 build for server fighting randoms. The gun is so bogus that there's almost a tip of the hat/unspoken rule to not use it at this point amongst players that got the memo.

I only bring out ouro when the server pushers are getting a little too deep, or fighting vs a healer with a healer down numbers

[inland tusk]

Personally I haven't seen a single one in pve as far as I can tell at least not blatant ones you can easily tell, on the other hand pvp is a completely different spectrum. you will most likely meet one in dz in 1/3 server you join in

[amber ice]

We are just volunteers, we have no more way to contact the devs than any of you do. The actual admins of this server are the ones that control things, all we can do is keep the place tidy.

I'm sure I've said this before on here.

[ripe root]

Well, some cheater haven't get ban even with evidence, this is true

Meanwhile, not all cheat are able to ban, this also fact, ban people need 100 % evidence, people use aimhack but they can explain "they play good"

On the other hand, it's too many noob spamming "XXX is hack", which it just skill issue, this is fact too

[inland tusk]

... That's kind of sad? You guys have actual 0% communications at all with anyone from the team then?

[amber ice]

Why is it sad? We're here to help manage the day-to-day of the server, if the Admins want to talk to us they will.

[inland tusk]

Oh so they at least communicate to you guys from time to time?

It's sad because I've seen plenty of games communities where the devs or people related to the work actually engange on their community

[amber ice]

we're going to add a line of code that says "cheaters = no"
That's the official word from the devs on cheaters.

[lavish basin]

They engage but only really on Twitter. There's been maybe 2 times in the last year when a dev has appeared on this discord and interacted.

[ancient acorn]

It’d be nice to have a community manager or something, but eh

[amber ice]

The livestream quotes are far better than any canned response a community manager could give.

from the last live-stream:"if youre cheating in the game, dont be a dick, go play something else"

[inland tusk]

🫤

Welp no wonder they literally spat on isac firewall's developer's face, they really just don't care about doing anything on their behalf

[inland tusk]

Yeah I seen some of that but like twitter is just a whole diff thing imo

There's for sure a whole lot more cry babies about everything on twitter as far as I can tell

[inland tusk]

It's not even that Ig, it's just at least a few person that works within that could even answer some of the moderators questions when needed or something like that is what I was thinking more of or they themselves engage to members in the channels here yk

[ancient acorn]

eh people would just tell them to go fix the game tbh

[inland tusk]

Actually now that I think about it you might be right lol

If the game was fixed and didn't introduce bugs every patch that would be a diff case though

[ancient acorn]

always something to complain about

[inland tusk]

That is true

[wet badger]

Its just concerning when the most blatant of hackers are allowed to roam free on 5000+ hour accounts spraying people with RPM through buildings, or when the odd one of those do eventually get banned they come back the next day on a 5 SHD account doing the same thing just with a slower TTK.

Its clear to those that are playing the game that the people in charge of looking at the reports are not doing their job, OR there are far too many nonsense reports from lower tier players who think everyone better than them is cheating as highlighted by @ripe root above.

Since Project Resolve the active cheaters in PvP has risen by what i can confidently say 2-3x.

Even if they just make their own in house statistic based anti cheat the top 90% of the most obvious cheaters could be banned overnight, it IS that simple, then of course those only toggling here and there would necessitate proper investigation which might be out of reach for a dying game.

[amber ice]

Yes yes we know, doom and gloom, etc, etc.

[mortal badge]

This really isn't a "hand wave away" kind of problem Riven...

[ripe root]

as one of the moderator, i don't believe @amber ice have no more contact to the crew, since, this is "offical" discord, as a company, i don't believe those PR, whatever from ubisoft, or from massive, would have no contact to any discord moderator, because, if "offical" discord group fuckup anything, it burn PR, so those PR or someone who handle community, basically they can recieve massage from you ,riven

BUT BUT BUT, I also believe the voice have really low chance send to devs( guys who actually make and manage this game) pass by PR, since devs and PR are different department, they may recieve voice from some big person like widdz , but they have no reason to listen riven, since they don't know you, and as i mention, those nonsense reports, including "cheat"report, or "bugs"report, just cover the voice who actually know this game

also i agree crypto said someone not doing their job about cheat reports, so that guy who make isac i am really respect

[meager swift]

So to actually get an official response we have to bombard the devs on twitter with every blatent cheater video ....

[neat musk]

thats pretty much how everything goes

making a shit storm on twitter is the way to get companies to listen nowadays

[fierce blade]

That's a surefire way to get the devs to close down their communication channels and pull the plug on the life-support that pvp is already on.

[meager swift]

@fierce blade PvP has been on life support since Redstorm moved on which from memory was straight after WONY

[fierce blade]

Exactly - so screaming and bombarding the devs' communication channels is gonna make the pull the plug on the life-support (aka kill it)

[meager swift]

@fierce blade are you delusional, support for PvP ended back in year 2 of the game once Redstorm got moved to other projects

And let's not talk about the Ubisoft Support discord where the responses are a copy and paste , may as well talk to a automated robot on there 🙄

[amber ice]

Believe it or don't, I'm tired of repeating myself.

[meager swift]

I'm tired of reporting cheaters that don't get banned , guess we're in the sane boat Rivens lol

[amber ice]

Not really.

[silver nova]

Kind of interesting how someone that didn't even deny playing with cheaters is allowed to hang around in the official discord 😂

and just casually gives out advice, meanwhile the image of his friends cs:go spinbotting is at the forefront

[sudden lagoon]

It's real simple...the Devs never cared about PvP. Thats why Redstorm was in charge of it at release. After Redstorm left it's been horrible..it only took 5 years to get a "PvP" update 😂 And 5 years to get a PvP section on the 'official' discord

[meager swift]

And shock meta was something we never asked for either and look at how trash that tuned out to be

[fierce blade]

I'm not sure you understand my point.
PvP is already on life support, since Redstorm moved on to other projects - the game as a whole went on life support. The following development as MSV returned to the franchise was focused on PvE and the lore, with PvP remaining as a pet project essentially.
"Pulling the plug on life support" is an idiom, meaning that if you start bombarding the devs on here, on X and wherever else you can - you can be damn sure they will 1) Close those communication channels and 2) Kill off/completely ignore PvP.
The developers are humans too, believe it or not.

[meager swift]

@fierce blade Let look at it this way , They are the Dev team , yes they are human but they are in a position where if people make enough noise they can't keep overlooking a dire situation and will eventually force the hand for them to do something about it , there is a right way and a wrong way to everything , this section was made to be a talking point and by leaving the toxicity to either in the DZ or elsewhere ..

[fierce blade]

Yeah, and I'm currently trying to avoid fostering toxic behaviour by spamming them on all platforms, potentially ending the life support.
That's what this particular discussion has always been about.

[wet badger]

The thing is if the spam just consists of cheater clips with a # number then is it really spam? Or is it a wake up call

Now of course to take cheater clips to twitter they would need to be vetted to make sure we don't have ladoze level reports being sent in invalidating our efforts

[limpid stream]

Toxic behaviour? LOL. They had 8 years to learn lessons. They didnt. Dont blame players if you made broken product. The division was game that have been falsly advertise as PVP/E game and now we hear from the players that we should not be angry on the dev team because reasons. Its their fault. Period. Change it.

Imagine trying to explain incompetence and ignorance using universal toxic argument. They should be shit stormed untill they will go back to developing crash bandicoot and mobile games. Their are incompetent when it comes to PVP. Its not players fault that their are passionate and they care. Its not players fault that they dont want to play againts cheaters in their game. Its their fault.

[amber ice]

Okay tone it down. Be constructive or post on another server.

[limpid stream]

They dont play their own game. It is impossible to come up with good solutions if you dont understand the problems. We can complain. And that's it. Nothing will change. Ever. Not in this game nor in div3.

[toxic sail]

doom

[steel hedge]

It’s not always that simple.

From my understanding many of the original developers moved to other projects. The game was released back in 2019 and is often on sale for next to nothing.

Ubisoft might not see it as an efficient use of resources to devote more support to this game.

Screaming at the waiter at a restaurant because your food is taking forever might not be from laziness or incompetence but because they are short staffed and only one cook that night

[meager swift]

@limpid stream I know Anticheat has not been updated in years as everytime I would quit Div 2 and play BF2042 it would through a tantrum that the anticheat was out of date and would then need to manually close the Div 2 Anticheat from the task manager and then re-load BF2042

[deep drum]

Everyone knows there is going to be cheaters in any multiplayer game when they buy it.

Well, atleast in the master race version of PC

[meager swift]

@deep drum oh so cronus and xim isn't cheating on console 🙄

@solar vigil What I find a joke is you report them via the website and in about 4 days they close off the report saying "we assume your issue has been resolved and we are closing the ticket off" WTF how about "we have reviewed the video and have taken appropriate action against the reported player ", only to find they are still playing the game shooting people through walls 🙄

[exotic tartan]

legit want to know how to improve my pvp skills

[low valve]

Well for starts its best to set up a proper build for PvP first

But also are you looking to improve your skills for conflict or the dark zone?

[exotic tartan]

I mean I have the build for dark zone

And pvp

[exotic tartan]

Dark zone mainly

[tawdry pier]

There is no "The" build for dz

Many different builds to counter many different other builds

[exotic tartan]

I mainly run memento striker or headshot armor Regen build

[ripe root]

Good build and good game sense
It's hard to tell you about game sense, because every situation have multiple choice you can do
Maybe you can record a video when you pvp, then I can point out for you, any movement or decision put you danger

[exotic tartan]

Yup that will work, I might do it later since I’m tired

[wet badger]

They don't want to be public with this information because they aren't doing anything. To be public is to admit they are doing nothing.

There should be a name and shame board of banned players, people who play with cheaters warned and given temporary suspensions.

Or at least a confirmation of a reported player banned.

[meager swift]

@wet badger Yep do that Tarkov does release a big list of cheater , might suck when some of their streamer fanboys are on the list lol

[wet badger]

Then again Tarkov is made by people who don't care about your feelings

[meager swift]

@wet badger it's a dog eat dog world in tarkov

[alpine tendon]

Is memento good in pvp?

[meager swift]

@alpine tendon if you have the stacks up , yes can be good and if killing bots even better as they drop the tokens and free heals

[ripe root]

No

[wet badger]

Memento is for farming landmarks or stomping players, in all other situations there are better options.

[neat musk]

make a good build and just play the game

theres really no do this and win

just play and youll learn

[exotic tartan]

yup

fairs

[alpine tendon]

Should I use sticky fire

[neat musk]

youve been told a million times

yes

fire sticky is good

[alpine tendon]

Is it better than riot foam

[neat musk]

youve also asked this before

riot foam = cant move
fire sticky = cant shoot (well)

[neat musk]

damn this channel has more paragraphs then a whole ass 20 page thesis

[inland tusk]

nah mate it has more paragraph than my entrance exams

[amber ice]

It's close to half of bot-log by this stage.
Well at least it keeps the riff-raff out of the main channels.

[amber ice]

You're welcome, I'm glad I pushed for the creation of this channel in the first place.

[amber ice]

@solar vigil Tone it down, you are talking to human beings.

[burnt berry]

I understand that the pvp of the division 2 is not very active and that the pvp is much better. Anyway I have doubts about the pvp, will it be viable to get a pve to pvp equipment? etc. Anyway, I'll stick with the pvp of the division 1, I liked that one more because of the tension of the setting.

After years I came back to the game by the way. 🥺

[neat musk]

This channel is just slowing becoming complain about things we cannot change. The dev team is the dev team. Spending days and days writing paragraph after after paragraph doesn’t fix anything. Just drop the whining about devs already

Do it once and be done

It’s all you type in this channel

I was the very first person to post in this channel

Yea it’s all you’ve typed in the past few days just stop. I get the devs aren’t doing their job In the way we want. I’m with you but constantly complaining and fighting with people isn’t helpig the issue

I get that

But it’s not going to help anymore

It’s been mentioned it’s done

It’s just filling a channel with arguments and hate. That doesn’t help anyone

[little folio]

I like reading that solid PvP talk. Do some of that

[neat musk]

As much as realistically possible we should avoid just complaining about devs

You can complain about things but the devs aren’t gonna change. Complain about specifics of the game go ahead. But whole paragraphs saying devs aren’t doing their job is just useless

[proud fern]

I just play a lil pvp to get my rocks off and bounce 😀

[little folio]

Same. I just kill a few people and ride the high. I want my classic hunter mask back though

[proud fern]

Even if I wanted to play longer my pvp high will inevitably be interrupted with some kind of cheater, you kno da ones who run all red striker to make look none sus but be sus asf💀💀

[little folio]

The same kind of sally to calculate which checkpoint you respawn at so they can bully you down

This is a hole that will not be dug

[proud fern]

Soon as I get smoked by dat all red striker I can’t do nun but “ah yes😎”

[little folio]

No bigger release of tension than being stomped

[proud fern]

I just wish there was more people I run into the same mfs everyday literally

Conflict and Dz

[little folio]

I have that problem with Conflict. Same tactics and everything

[proud fern]

It’s to the point of I recognize them just by their appearance before even reading the name

[little folio]

That subtle pause when they see someone and they run straight at you instead of maneuvering in any way

[meager swift]

Here is the thing , The game is 5 years old and people have moved onto better games or with life in general , the lack of care for PvP (Conflict and DZ) is the main contributor to this from the development team. As PvP players we know the gear balance has always been an issue between PvE and PvP and the engine they used then was not designed to be able to balance between the game modes , Now if they put the effort in with more maps and balance Conflict could have been where XDefiant is right now...but no zero F's were given.. The DZ on the other hand is a total mess and always has been with people clutching onto every broken mechanic or glitch since its inception with no team to balance the OP gear or fix glitches as they occur and honestly in the DZ there is no structure to the gameplay and a manhunt system that is not rewarding or even challenging (lets get a MH then respawn at the other end of the map to clear it is total garbage) , in any PvP game mode there needs to be structure to make it entertaining and rewarding , and yes the anticheat is trash and we all know PvP & PvE is riddled with them now , again this come back to the development team for not caring about the game.

[proud fern]

Facts

[mint rose]

Why is it I see so many ninjabike umbra builds in the dz

I've been trying to dabble in PvP build crafting and I get slammed no matter what I run

Granted they're all expertised to all hell and running cap and shit but idk

[ripe root]

probably, skill issue
Don't know which youtuber promote this but this build shit

[tranquil nest]

Nothingbutskillz probably

[novel patrol]

Thoughts on vile and max range disrupter pulse as a dz troll rogue build. Not strong enough to really kill someone but disabling drones and stopping healing does sound funny

[limber cedar]

And kamikaze

[tranquil nest]

I dislike his channel

[limber cedar]

I think everyone who knows how to make a "proper" build does.

[tranquil nest]

True

[ripe root]

I hate Patrick wolf

[tranquil nest]

Never heard of him

[alpine tendon]

do i use unbreakeable or perfectly unbreakable for my chest for pvp

[ancient acorn]

Perfect only if you’re using a shotgun.

[alpine tendon]

do you have a build for ouro?

[severe ether]

Slap umbra on that ouro and then slap the dz , once u get used to staying in cover for a few seconds get those stacks up boom

[alpine tendon]

what does it do?

[severe ether]

Stay in cover for a few seconds building up stacks, critical hit damage and rpm does up and therefore u fire more bullets etc , get back in cover and u recover armour regeneration then repeat

If u get critical hit chance to 60 the max cap it hits very hard, if u want to check how much it stacks take cover until max stacks then get out of cover and look at stats 250 plus critical damage plus 2300 rpm on oro

[alpine tendon]

Is the rail splitter or famas better for pvp

[alpine tendon]

Oh dang bet

[mint rose]

Ouro

[ancient acorn]

F200 is better than both. Famas is better than Railsplitter though. Railsplitter sucks.

[alpine tendon]

I have famas 2010

[ancient acorn]

Well try to get an F2000, but yeah that’s fine.

[alpine tendon]

What’s about the named famas burn out

[ancient acorn]

Not really worth taking a handling talent for PvP AFAIK. Could be wrong

[mint rose]

Given all the blues it's probably better off optimist

Which is why shield splint is good there

[limber cedar]

The pre-WONY pestilence talent was interesting to say at least.

Plague of the Outcasts: After hitting the same enemy 20 times, that enemy is inflicted with the Plague of the Outcasts. Whenever an enemy with Plague of the Outcasts is killed, they leave a toxic cloud for 10 seconds that deals 200% weapon damage per second to anyone inside and inflicts them with Pestilence.
Pestilence: This debuff reduces healing received by 50% for 10s. Whenever an enemy with Pestilence would be downed, they are instead instantly killed. The debuff is removed if the enemy is repaired to full armour.

[stable sorrel]

Bro people in the dz are so frickin toxic man it's actually hilarious lol

I was clearing landmarks and these 2 asshats roll up on me, kill the random I was with, chase me down to the nearest cp I ran into cause I don't wanna lose my gear, and now they're just camping outside talking shit. Actually brought 2 more of their clanmates and they're just waiting calling me a "b" and whatnot. Been like this for 10mins, honestly kind of crazy lmao.

[amber ice]

@ripe root There's no reason for that kind of attitude.

[low valve]

Generally if I run into toxic players like that I just hop to a different dz; whatever loot I got isn’t worth it if you have to deal with those kind of people.
It’s usually better to run with a full group too to at least increase your chances of extracting without issue.

[stable sorrel]

Yea unfortunately all of my friends stopped playing the game very shortly after release. I've never been consistent myself but come back every now and then. Probably should look for a clan, gotten mine to lvl 18 basically all by myself lol hasn't been fun.

Generally don't touch pvp at all, just do the projects if they're easy on that day.

[low valve]

The Conflcit weekly project is always the best one cause you can get it done quicker than the dz weekly
At least imo

[stable sorrel]

I like clearing landmarks in dz as well, easy fast xp while doing the projects if you go unbothered. The grind to shd 1k is real.

[sudden coyote]

I had a level 27 ask me (13k) why I was running from him after I was minding my own business in the DZ. This was after a couple minutes of watching him chicken dance around me while I halfassedly ran around and also medkitted 2 feet in front of him to show how not serious I was being. This tryhard shit is lame after a full day of work. I get that the DZ is for pvp but take a hint, probably the same type who strolls up to a 1v1 and starts blasting

[amber ice]

Your DZ level was 13k?

Impressive!

Jokes aside, why not just walk away? There's 3 DZ's and each has a mighty big area to play in.

What they were doing seems pretty harmless. It is a PvP area.

[sudden coyote]

?

I just said that I did that and then he got on voip to ask why I was running lol

[amber ice]

So why go into a PvP area if you didn't want to PvP?

[sudden coyote]

bruh can you not read the full post

[amber ice]

From what I can read of it you got angry that someone did an emote in front of you and then called them a tryhard.

[sudden coyote]

Nah I didn't get angry. Since he was a level 27 I extracted right in front of him, dicked around for a couple minutes, and peace'd out

a ton of rage involved in that

[amber ice]

"this tryhard shit is lame" doesn't exactly sound peaceful.

[sudden coyote]

yeah the chicken dancing is lame

raging rn

/s

[amber ice]

You didn't get attacked, then extracted and left. If there was no problem then what's the issue with them performing an emote?

[sudden coyote]

where are you getting this emote thing from

are you the level 27er (this was a point of emphasis on his part)

oh did you think the chicken dance was emote. No I'm talking about the pvp in this game being running around back and forth like you're having a stroke and then stopping to shoot at the other person who does the same thing

[amber ice]

So what was the point of posting that comment in the first place?

[sudden coyote]

the obvious point is talking about a low level going all out against someone way higher level than them not taking it seriously

das it it wasn't that deep

[amber ice]

I guess if you're the kind of person who cares about SHD level it's something.

[sudden coyote]

SHD doesn't matter after 2k but you don't have much wiggle room to not have a shit build at SHD 27

[neat musk]

cant blame brotha for trying

sounds like some shit id do

[sudden coyote]

lol I'm fine with trying I didn't think much of it until the voip started

[neat musk]

bros been sitting in the DZ for 2 hours tryna get someone to PVP and you were that someone

[sudden coyote]

😓

[meager swift]

Seriously if PvP is not your thing just stay in the LZ

[craggy trench]

yea idk i woulda at least fought him instead of being boring about it

[tawdry pier]

Nameless king at SL1 type shit

[mint rose]

Jus flag up and shoot him

[sudden coyote]

Being boring about it made it funnier to counter toxicity. All I had was a purple on me too so even if he did get me after 5 minutes it would've been a funny troll

[acoustic monolith]

HOW MUCH armor do i need for pvp?

[sudden coyote]

Depends on what kind of build you're going for but for the typical close-ish proximity fighting one I would say ~1.3 million, or no less than 3 armor cores

[neat musk]

Preference

[wet badger]

if you are starting out aim for 4 blue cores, try adrenaline rush and unbreakable if u go for a high end build, with crit chance and damage you will gain consistent damage, get a good gun like the ouroboros

[alpine tendon]

The F2000 good for pvp?

[neat musk]

shield splitter is good

(named f2k)

[alpine tendon]

would using bighorn regen build or bighorn striker build be better?

for dz/conflict

[meager swift]

Bighorn headshot rejen works if you can consistently hit headshots

[neat musk]

2 different applications

good at 2 differn things

and you wouldnt use big horn with striker tbh

[alpine tendon]

I watched a video on someone using bighorn with striker and he was melting everyone

[neat musk]

well yea striker with practically any gun will melt anyone

youd be better off using EB

[alpine tendon]

Why

[neat musk]

its still fine to use big horn if you just wanna use bighorn

[neat musk]

tenacity is extremely strong

[alpine tendon]

What does it do

[neat musk]

Hey siri google Eagle bearer division 2

[alpine tendon]

So I should make a headshot build with EB

[wet badger]

I would just like to announce that i just tried streaming PvP on PC, i made it to 32 mins before running into my first cheater, a blatant aimbotter, i tracked his profile and he had 8000+ headshots per hour with a 72% headshot ratio, 500 hours played.

Project Resolve means nothing when blatant cheaters roam free, and im not crying because i died to someone better than me, there is video proof of this guy shooting 'I_am_Godlike' through walls.

Whats worse is people are getting banned, but they get banned for glitching XP or being toxic -see El Patron: banned for 2 weeks for being toxic.

What sort of game bans people for saying bad words when there are mute/block features available to everyone while simultaneously leaving cheaters in the game who RPM and aimbot you through buildings 200m away on accounts with thousands of hours playtime...

Devs need to get their PRIORITIES STRAIGHT!

[full jetty]

Cant go into DZ without a st elmos counter

Just cant

I came back after like a 6 month break never knew bout the ouroboros

So my st elmo got reversed in quickly

[neat musk]

Bro got his Elmo counter countered

[meager swift]

I don't see much StEmo now most of the time it's either Oreo , Iron Lung or Capacitator

[vale lava]

Any striker build for PvP?

[meager swift]

@wet badger The care factor is zero in regards to PvP , all they care about is PvE content and I get it that's like 90% of the playerbase now as many of the OG PvP players have moved onto better supported games and you can't blame them either , project resolve didn't resolve the major issues in PvP especially in regards to cheaters on PC , guess that cost $$ for very little gain and when that 5% of the playerbase gets banned it looks bad on their investors report

[meager swift]

Anyway its absolutly pointless venting frustration on here or on the Ubisoft support forum as it goes on deaf ears , not once have I seen any dev or community manager respond to anything on here and as for the Ubisoft support forum they may as well just have Chat GPT do automated responses on there as thats about as lifeless as the mods are on that discord

[sudden lagoon]

You gotta remember...they ban people every day. They said so. They would never lie to the player base.

[meager swift]

Considering they can't stand by their ToS to actually do what they preach in it ...

[full jetty]

Is there any st elmo counter to ouroborus?

[ripe root]

If you have shock ammo, and enough damage to melt ouro before shock times up

Or keep distance, since smg not that strong once out of range

[wet badger]

it doesnt take much time to write a comment like this, and besides i want them here for the archives

[summer idol]

Any counters for zen users

[ripe root]

Zen?

[summer idol]

Ye the cronus zen

[ripe root]

Mean cheater?

[neat musk]

get a PC

that wont help but do it anyways

the only "counter" to cheaters would maybe be a regulus shield build unless there cheats ignore shields

but if its just aimbot you could maybe get a headshot off and kill them

[lavish basin]

The only way to win... is not to play

[summer idol]

But that's means starting over again

[neat musk]

which means you wont be in the DZ or playing PVP for a little bit

which means no more cheaters

[summer idol]

And then when I get to the stage of where I want to goto int0 dz then same problem but this time where people can shoot though walls and sheet

[neat musk]

change of scenery

[summer idol]

Fym that worse then the zen issue on console

[neat musk]

I didnt say a good change of scenery

[summer idol]

Then I would have to deal with Marco users aimbotters spin botters

[novel osprey]

@summer idol zen doesn’t do anything on console for pvp

Shoot thru walls isn’t zen. It doesn’t hack. It’s a script you can shoot through walls bc of 3rd person shooter

[neat musk]

got a video of it

you cant really crouch in div 2 besides using cover so Its probably some combo of strafing and spamming midkit key

[novel osprey]

@faint canopy it happens. The player doesn’t do it. It’s the game. I’ve seen it. It’s like they scoot crouched. It sux. But that’s the game. They don’t even know they doing it

[faint canopy]

Ahhh gotcha 👍

[craggy trench]

It's super easy to do

You have to bind run to L1 and then you hold l1 and move the right joystick from middle to right over and over while turning the left stick the other way

Only works in combat. Super easy to do

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx1J8Yk3SKGfY2VfSRrSKPkoHG7K8B6Qxk?si=juP7lnTPWJ-iHsnQ

[sudden lagoon]

How to do PvP: Don't play it.

[ripe root]

How 2 pvp: tell people don't pvp then you can ruin the community because no one play pvp

[neat musk]

^

we get it PVP hasnt been in a good state for a long time, but itll just continue to be neglected if everyone discourages others from playing

[opal sky]

@timber marsh

mods?

[timber marsh]

what's up?

[opal sky]

look up

oh wait

it got deleted already

✅

[hollow lake]

Tried pvp for the first time

got totally one sided

never again.

[sudden lagoon]

Was never in a good state. Will continue to be a bad state because the devs do not care about PvP.

[neat musk]

Thank you for taking what I said and taking all the positivity out of it

[sudden lagoon]

Just stating a fact.

[alpine tendon]

Is the shield splinter or the rail splitter good for pvp

[ancient acorn]

Shield Splinterer yes
Railsplitter no

[neat musk]

again thank you for restating exactly what I said but in a more negative way

really helps the community

[sudden lagoon]

What is going to help the community? I'd like to know.

[neat musk]

an ounce of positivity

something like "its bad right now but if we keep advocating for it itll maybe get better"

im not saying be delusional but "PVP sucks devs dont care."

isnt benefitting anyone

[sudden lagoon]

It will not get better though.

Unless they heavily nerf certain builds (skills) and exotics.

They have not cared since Day 1, and they continued to not care once they booted RedStorm from handling PvP

Why is Determined an allowed talent in PvP but First Blood is not.

[ripe root]

I would say devs were actually want to make pvp being good
But at the same time, want to make good doesn't equal they make it good

For example, in old patch pesti are able to trigger healing from patriot white flat, devs nerf patriot first then they fix the connection between them, after that they haven't buff patriot back

The reason of pvp not get better, one is devs are actually not good at fixing something and don't know blance

Also there tons of bad idea or wrong information of "bug reports" from community, for example like "heavy nerf skill"

No offense, I just want to point out devs haven't receive meaningful feedback, whatever there too small of pvpers voice, or there have no consensus about "anyone is top tier pvpers" in community, or anything else, devs haven't make meaningful or useful changes of pvp, then more pvpers leave

[wet badger]

Did you seriously expect results on your first go? What build did u use?

[wet badger]

Which certain builds do you speak of? And which exotics do you have an issue with?

[tropic ocean]

is there a resource with up to date pvp build meta information?

[neat musk]

not that I know of

[craggy trench]

Working on it lol

I'm coming up on a few days off I'll have it done soon

[meager swift]

@tropic ocean capacitor builds and Umbra builds enjoy

[sudden lagoon]

All skill builds are a problem IMO,. Sticky bomb, arty turret, fire starter, foam, seekers. Just every single skill build beside healer. Exotics I have a problem with: Regulus, Liberty, Nemisi(on 6 blue builds), Iron lung, Lady death. Big Horn. They just need some tweaks.

[wet badger]

Fire starter is useless, foam got nerfed hard, sticky bonb is absolutely fine, seekers? Sure but only with hard wired glitch and mortar fair enough but still, I have explosive Res builds - maybe try to make one yourself.

Liberty isn't that bad when reg exists, nemesis and reg yeah totally agree but lady death? Seriously? And the iron lung just has way too much base damage, big horn isn't a problem even with it's crazy potential because people just can't aim head.

All those mentions but you forgot the Capacitor

[ripe root]

Burh🤮

[ripe root]

Honestly I don't know what's your standard about anything should nerf or not

For example, I don't know why would you say liberty is problem, it's pretty shit if compare with reg

Also I don't understand why every single build beside healer

I agree somethings need adjust , for example explosive range of mortar

At least you are able to counter them

[soft wigeon]

Only one thats a problem for me is mortars tbh, rest are countered by my 100% haz prot build

i just hate mortars when its used for spawn camping in conflict (which majority use it solely for that reason)

and not much gear offers explosive resists, and even if i do opt into that, theyll be 3 other people camping with guns to kill me lol and ive hurt my dmg with explosive res rolls

[novel osprey]

You all forgot pop shot

It’s kinda of the only that can’t be countered. Yes putting a seeker annoys them but it still hits for 6.6 on the body

And overall TTK is ass

Too high. Imo

[alpine tendon]

Is it best to have all blue cores or one red core and the rest blue

[novel osprey]

Imo. 1.4 is the sweet spot. But I run 5 blue and 1 red on capacitor. I run all blues on iron lung. It just depends on you. How quick can you realize I’m in bad spot. How good your aim is. How quick you know you need to duck and meddy. Do you beam or face tank

[neat musk]

1.4?

is that 3 blue with good expertise or 4 blue with low watch level

[neat musk]

Preference

also depends on the build

[alpine tendon]

Alright

Because I got a rlly good roll on my chest but it has no armor

[neat musk]

if you can only get a certain amount of blue cores its fine

chest and backpack is hard so dont worry too much

[alpine stratus]

What's the average pvp striker build core diversity? Rn running 50/50 red and blue (on xbox).

[neat musk]

generally preference but I prefer full blue on striker

[alpine stratus]

Okay. I feel like I get melted by all blue armor builds but then the builds that run reds I feel like I can never kill. Learning hoe PvP works now a days.

[craggy trench]

I thought the same thing lol

1.4 is a weird spot imo unless he means 3/3 with expertise

[alpine tendon]

@neat musk what equipment do u use for DZ

[weary mortar]

Striker striker striker… n ded

[wet badger]

Striker is king for max DPS but an umbra gets 75% of the DPS for free off rip, you can hold off a striker from maintaining stacks.

[weary mortar]

Strikers n umbra for noob in dz

[ripe root]

i think there have no any builds are for noob
noob use good build, still noob, good people use bad build, still better than most of people
there is no denying that striker ouro is top notch in pvp that's why people run striker
if striker for noob, then those top tier pvpers, all of them are noob
even top tier player are noob, then everyone is noob
including......🤫 🤣

[weary mortar]

Engrish

[craggy trench]

Try typing that much in a language you barely speak

[neat musk]

I can understand everything hes saying

I get it if you cant understand him but its completely understandable

[wet badger]

would you still attack if i had 4 mana untapped?

[alpine tendon]

I think I’ve asked this before but I forgot, is it better to run all blue cores or all blue cores and one red core?

[neat musk]

preference

on most DPS builds your rolling the core anyways so experiment with different # of blues vs reds on a certain build

id say start at 4 blue 2 red and adjust if you feel like something is lacking

[alpine tendon]

Gotcha

[viral terrace]

Dropped an EB in DZ South, got killed by rouges at extraction and EB stolen haha. Gotta love the DZ 😂😂

[arctic glacier]

Damn

[inland tusk]

U shouldav went into checkpoint and called 3 more friends to defend the extraction

[viral terrace]

We where 4 vs 2 but those 2 rouges didnt take any damage at all for some reason

[inland tusk]

Efficient kits maybe 🤔

[viral terrace]

No idea to be honest. One dude was only lvl 14 so I dont know. Hacker maybe?

[ripe root]

Have you recorded it?

[inland tusk]

No hackers on console,only 3rd party and lag switches 😔

[craggy trench]

Good fight to post tbh

[tawdry pier]

Just counter 🤷🏽

[boreal jewel]

Cant you relog and still keep your items to extract?

[craggy trench]

Yes

[ripe root]

Not 100%

If you change to other server after relog, while extraction , item will lost

[craggy trench]

Gotcha

Haven't had that happen yet

[inland tusk]

I have changed multiple times while extracting,items always end up in cashe

[vivid drift]

is dark zone dead on pc?

[craggy trench]

No

[alpine tendon]

Is the EB even worth using in pvp

[ancient acorn]

yes lol

[alpine tendon]

Do u have a build for it

[ancient acorn]

Coyote's, Matador, Fenris chest w/ Unbreakable, Contractor's, Picaro's & Grupo Knees. Doesn't really need a specific build.

[alpine tendon]

Can I use gruppo gloves instead?

[alpine tendon]

Also what can I replace with Matadoe

[ancient acorn]

Grupo gloves & fox's then.

[alpine tendon]

What about the backpack

[ancient acorn]

W&H probably

[alpine tendon]

Could ceska work also?

[ancient acorn]

depends where your crit lands

[alpine tendon]

I’m not max shd yet so I think I’ll need ceska

[neat musk]

Is helping even worth it

[alpine tendon]

I’m asking if the gun is good in dz

[hallow slate]

@alpine tendon The EB is a great gun to use in PVP, and it can be used with a large variety of builds. My favorite is a meta version ie catharsis/coyotes, Habsburg/providence back pack with concussion talent, contractors, ceska knee and Picaros holster with a Fenris chest UB or if you’re savy a Every day carry for the Medkits. Any variation of this can be viable for sure.

And yes, Matador ADR works great as well.

[alpine tendon]

With headshot dmg?

[hallow slate]

If you are used to aiming for the head, yes.

If not crit is fine

[alpine tendon]

Can you send me some of your EB builds

[hallow slate]

Sure. Add me onPS and I’ll try and get a few over to you in a bit

Name is the same

[neat musk]

youve been given tons of builds been recommended the gun multiple times

[neat musk]

not really a reason to bother with HSD unless your doing haz pro

crit is better DPS wise

even if your hitting the head

[alpine tendon]

Alright

Added you

[neat musk]

you can send screenshots in build advice btw ctsd

if you wanna send them here

[hallow slate]

@neat musk I beg to differ. Tenacity mixed with HS dmg is very viable.

Optimal? Maybe not. But fun to use at the least

[alpine tendon]

Mostly the reason I’m hesitant about using headshot dmg is because the attachments on the gun are more towards CHC and CHD

[neat musk]

the HS dmg is just not needed. even if your aiming only for the head full crit still outDPS's full HSD

the goal is always only headshot but having crit is just better + safety net

[hallow slate]

I can agree with that

I’m a bighorn user, I sometimes switch to the EB on my builds and still do fine

[neat musk]

my main builds are all big horn too

[hallow slate]

All my builds are HS big horn

[neat musk]

mainly cuz i refuse to not use haz pro

[hallow slate]

So I feel that

Love my all blue builds

😇

[alpine tendon]

Would a EB armor regen build work well?

[hallow slate]

Not optimal

Can you? Sure.

[neat musk]

what id recommend is learn to swap EB on basically anything when it fits

solo getting pushed by 4 people?

swap to EB

[hallow slate]

^

[neat musk]

1v1? swap back to BH

[hallow slate]

Good advice.

Ahh

Don’t agree with that

Bighorn > EB

No matter what

[neat musk]

in a 1v4 getting tenacity is basically winning the 1v3

[hallow slate]

I agree tenacity is awesome in those scenarios but if you know how to use kits and play position, big horn is the way

[neat musk]

you dont have to. but if it fits it fits

you can win a 1v4 with BH but tenacity makes that alot easier and alot faster

[hallow slate]

@neat musk are you on ps?

[neat musk]

if your fighting a server sometimes a 1v3 situation can turn into a 1v7 if you dont win that 1v3 within 30 seconds (respawn time)

winning that 1v3 faster is gonna make repositioning before another 1vX easier and likely have more kits left over

[alpine tendon]

I wanna have a build with everyday carrier

[neat musk]

granted youd hopefully have your team back but still this is a situation where EB swapping fits

[neat musk]

no pc

[hallow slate]

Let’s be real, typically when you’re in the DZ solo and you end up fighting a squad you’re against orou strikers and dps variations and you’re likely to get farmed.. generally speaking. Solo play your best off with a regen HS build.

[neat musk]

yea chances are youll lose but youve got a better shot with tenacity

chances are the people will bait your tenaicty and youll die anyways

but its worth a try

[hallow slate]

^

[neat musk]

if not just swap right back to BH

or wahtever gun you think works best in that situation

ive wipped out scorpio 1 time as a last ditch effort

lol

[neat musk]

You can slap it on anything tbqh

p efficient is an amazing talent

warrants the brand loss imo

[alpine tendon]

Do most people run coyotes with EB

[neat musk]

coyotes is almost always best in slot for a crit build so yea its quite common

[alpine tendon]

Would strikers with everyday carrier and coyotes do good dmg?

[neat musk]

I use ceska instead of coyotes cuz CHC gets too low but its what i use outside of BH HSD builds so id say yea

[alpine tendon]

Alright

[hoary storm]

today i met so many hackers

is ther any help for me?

[weary mortar]

of course not, just leave the combat

[calm plinth]

console hsd builds don’t work vs good players

any build can work vs bad players but i def would never recommend hsd to a beginner console player like you were

[hallow slate]

How would you recommend a “Bad” player gets better with a build without practice? Ie, trial and error.

If said “Bad” player does not find enjoyment, said player can just switch it up. Right?

[ripe root]

Not talking about hsd build not good, but this game have big skill requirements, like aim, strafe, game sense etc
Obviously hsd build have more requirements about aiming, crit build is more user-friendly to new player because you still have damage even bodyshot only

[weary mortar]

Depending on what elements of the game that your’re bad, there are many builds to cater or compensate your bad skills. If you prefer to shoot from distance but not fast enough, go for sniper build/hybrid. If you got carpal tunnel and cant finger clicking too fast and has bad eye sights for aiming, make skill damage build, like throw a turret or grenade.

[alpine tendon]

Do people use Cronus on pvp on psn

[weary mortar]

How is this pvp discussion? Cronus for disabled people?

[wet badger]

On this type of build why use an EB over the Bighorn? For the EB to be worth using you need enough damage output to get 3 kills during the buff, if you aren't fighting 4 players then why use EB? Just use a faster killing weapon.

If UB/Eff + Ad-Rush then u go Bighorn.

If high damage then EB is good, concussion isn't enough to make this type of build high damage, you would be better off just using striker.

[hallow slate]

I would not use the EB over the BH for any reason other than variety. If you’re playing in a group setting, it’s more than viable. Optimal? No, but viable. The man asked for EB builds, so I provided him with what I have found to be viable.

That was one variant, I took the Time to send him multiple variations of builds that work fine. I m a console player and use the BH 98% of the time and would suggest any player bad or good that wants to play PVP the same things.

@weary mortar I will never, ever suggest to anyone who wants or does play PVP to use any sort of skill variant build.

The player in question @alpine tendon is not a bad player, he’s simply trying to reach out to get opinions from players with more experience.

@calm plinth I beg to differ.

[weary mortar]

what u don't know, u don't know

[hallow slate]

@weary mortar What I know, I know. And I know skill builds in PvP are garbage cans filled with I can’t aim energy.

[weary mortar]

your opinion is wrong

but u can have an opinion

[hallow slate]

Humor me, why would you recommend to anyone to use a skill build?

[weary mortar]

not here to humor or entertain anyone

[hallow slate]

No, you’re just here to tell others they’re wrong without explaining why they’re wrong.

Got it.

[weary mortar]

the same thing you're making a statement "skill builds in pvp are garbage cans"

[hallow slate]

This is a conversation thread, and you chimed in on a conversation and are not willing to explain your logic

Actually if you read back, what I said was, skill builds in PvP are garbage cans filled with can’t aim energy.

[weary mortar]

I'm under no obligation explain anything. i can write anything as long as within discord's and ubisoft's term and condition

[hallow slate]

Do they work? Yes. Are they fun to use? Sure. Why would you use them? Because you have to compensate for not having good aim and gun synergy with your squad.

Sure brother. Tell someone they are wrong, and when asked to explain why, duck.

[weary mortar]

check your above statement, you already countered what you just said earlier about skill build: "they work? yes" and " fun to use". thank you very much

[hallow slate]

Cheers.

@weary mortar After reading back your original response, Catering to disabled players, I can agree with you. My apologies.

[alpine tendon]

Just a question

[amber ice]

The use of any external software that alters the way the game plays could get you banned, no matter the reason.
Always err on the side of caution and contact MSV if it's a good reason to have it installed.

some other games will perma-ban your account if you even have achievment unlockers installed.

[alpine tendon]

Yeah ik

I’m not gonna use it but I find it odd that people even use it

[alpine tendon]

How long does it take to build damage stacks with umbra initiative

[ancient acorn]

10 seconds with chest IIRC, 5 without.

[neat musk]

5 no matter what

[neat musk]

chest doubles max stacks but also doubles stack agin

same either what

[alpine tendon]

So I use the chest?

[ancient acorn]

ye

[alpine tendon]

Bet

[craggy trench]

I use the chest, contractors and ceska bp with vigi

[neat musk]

i use exactly the same but ad rush

i think umbra is super strong with BH so when i use that i switch contractors for fenris

[alpine tendon]

With umbra do I use two regular pieces?

[ancient acorn]

yes

[alpine tendon]

So like a mask and a backpack?

Or is the backpack needed

[ancient acorn]

backpack is mostly mid, HE mask & backpack are good. Coyote's works as well

[alpine tendon]

What’s HE

[ancient acorn]

High End

[alpine tendon]

Oh ok

[alpine tendon]

Ceska and matador work?

Or catharsis and matador

[ancient acorn]

that I don't know

[alpine tendon]

Does umbra only increase CHD

[ancient acorn]

RoF as well

[alpine tendon]

What’s ROf

[ancient acorn]

Rate of Fire

[alpine tendon]

How much does it increase your CHD

[ancient acorn]

100

[alpine tendon]

Alright

[neat musk]

youll need ceska for anything other then SMG

[alpine tendon]

Alright

[neat musk]

second piece can be WD specific brand or metador

can use contractors too

but kinda depends on CHC

or foxes

doesnt matter

[calm plinth]

just to chime in no good players (or really any) actually use cronus, it’s more of a notorious scapegoat bad players use to cope with being bad

also cronus doesn’t work on ps anymore anyways

[neat musk]

itll come back dont worry

theres always a work around

[calm plinth]

yeah the work around gets detected in a month or 2 it’s just one company doing it and they’re basically scammers

but cronus doesn’t give any benefits on div 2 anyways

[alpine tendon]

Alright I honestly was just wondering

I seen people on YouTube use it but it was like a year ago

Was just wondering if it’s still around

[weary mortar]

yeah just wondering

[alpine tendon]

?

[swift iris]

What’s the best pvp gun build

[neat musk]

there are 4 division only channels where this question would make sense

you chose the only one where it doesnt

its impressive honestly

[hallow slate]

@calm plinth You must be joking

[amber ice]

@rapid vessel 1) That tag doesn't work, but it's considered bad manners to try and use it. 2) you're looking for #lfg-playstation

[calm plinth]

how is asking for a pvp build in the pvp channel bad?

[neat musk]

its edited. it was "What’s the best pve gun build" before

[calm plinth]

😭

[craggy trench]

Karolina doesn't come up on search

Same for tiger__86

[ripe root]

Youtube code?🤔

[inland tusk]

i know 4 people that run it and u can hear it

[warped scarab]

never done pvp yet, any tips to get into it

[craggy trench]

Highly recommend having 5-6 builds ready

[neat musk]

thats a bit excessive. Really only need 2 to get started

[calm plinth]

seeing how you’re on ps and cronus doesn’t work on ps i’m gonna guess you’re lying

[alpine tendon]

It works with shotguns

Went against someone that uses it

[craggy trench]

Not sure how Cronus and shotgun go together

[alpine tendon]

They patched Cronus to make it where it only lets you shoot your first shot with tracking

So basically with a shotgun you have insane tracking and can hit every shot with ease

[tawdry pier]

That's aim assist

The tracking works on every weapon

But it's just the first shot so things like shotgun/pistol/scopless sniper benefit from it most

[alpine tendon]

Cronus makes the aim assist tracking

Makes it track the other players strafing like crazy

It only works on the first shot of weapons

[amber ice]

A reminder that discussing cheats is against the server rules.

that goes for cheat programs too.

[grizzled trout]

All yellow build with oro, bursts me down with smg, while i have all blue and pop sys corruption, man there are some bugs after update lol

[wet badger]

How do you know it was all yellow?

[echo canopy]

I hate how in most conflict games I find player who just camp there spawn with mautor turret it's like they don't actually wanna fight 😭

[limber cedar]

Is System Corruption any good after they nerfed it? (When they made it impossible to use double tap armor kit and SC ability at the same time)

[mortal badge]

No

[neat musk]

It’s okay at best

Just use efficent if your for burst healing

[ripe root]

mortar them back

[inland tusk]

Is it pretty difficult getting Conflict games going? Just getting back into this title.

[pulsar junco]

Oh wow, we finally got a pvp chat, finally

[pulsar junco]

I have all 6 pieces and rolled to HSD on all of them, with armour, it was only viable before Intimidate nerf, after, it's no longer competitive

[craggy trench]

I'm available if anyone needs help putting together a pvp build

[grizzled trout]

Adren rush/intimidate combo doesn't work in conflict anymore?

[craggy trench]

it should be working

[grizzled trout]

Because for some reason bonus armor doesn't want to pop up in engagement range thus intimidate doesn't want to work

[neat musk]

just so you know. adrush stacks are basically 1 shot

a single shot is gonna bring intim down

its really only good on sheild builds

but it is working as of yesterday

confirmably

[grizzled trout]

Not worth running in conflict then

[neat musk]

unless your using shield regulus builds nah

[craggy trench]

yea hard to run in conflict, can make use of it in DZ though

[ripe root]

You have to play skillfully, for example you need to learn how to use corner, then you able to get close with tons of enemy players, gain 3 stack of adrush consistently , but you receive fire from 1 player only

[calm plinth]

you can play around it with shotguns pretty well but idk if you can get that close in most conflict maps

[chrome sphinx]

is DZ open world combat still pretty active? is there a specific DZ that tends to be more active?

[craggy trench]

I prefer East

[alpine tendon]

Usually all of them

[untold verge]

Good morning everyone. Could you help me please for a build for PvP? I need a good one as I'm not experienced player

[craggy trench]

PvP Guide

[untold verge]

Thank you i Will check it now

[pure totem]

The only honest response... is that there is no build advice that can help.

[neat musk]

?

[pure totem]

Everyone starts with a similar experience... and it is quite disconcerting.

[neat musk]

Having a good build makes a massive difference

much easier to start when you have a decent build

[amber ice]

@pure totem Div2 is "heavy maths: the game". Skill of course plays an important factor, but each side is as important as the other.
As we like to say here: "div2 is 50% the build, and 50% knowing how to use the build".

[pure totem]

Well, sure. That will get you so far. But when your team takes a pounding and teammates quit (to keep their stats artificial), what then?

[lavish basin]

well, a lack of build advice certainly won't make that any less likely

[neat musk]

thats kinda the cycle of PVP in divsion. you either farm or get farmed.

gotta accept that

[pure totem]

Nope... never accept people quitting because they are so immature they need artificial stats.

[craggy trench]

So much negativity

[quasi nimbus]

kids in dz using the goo to immobilize me any counter?

[tawdry pier]

Hazpro or ouro to fire it right back

Considering you don't die first lol

[limber cedar]

Is there a way to counter full blue tank builds (players that have immunity, high regeneration rate and adrenaline)?

[tawdry pier]

Burst damage.
Emp sticky to stagger and apply said burst damage.

[craggy trench]

Try and bait their armor kits, if they are using efficient you won't be able to kill them when the kit is active

[neat musk]

striker

most of the time people with these builds are gonna face tank a whole lot which will let you stack it. Full stack striker with ouro is basically the only exception to what prod said

other then unreasonable builds

[wet badger]

That's why it's better to play solo than with random team mates, the way to do this is in the dark zone where u don't have any team mates in the first place.

You have the option then to pick a fight that suits you or avoid one that doesn't, then you can work your way from 1v1s, into 1v2s etc

[pure totem]

Commenting on Conflict, not the DZ.

[wet badger]

Oh I know, that's why I said what I said.

[calm plinth]

conflict def has an issue with cheese and stat padding that mode encourages a very toxic play style

[weary mortar]

What is stat padding?

[calm plinth]

i just mean it’s extremely easy to inflate your stats like a super high KD and W/L

[neat musk]

div doesnt have a KD stat

W/L ig

[weary mortar]

Engrish

[calm plinth]

conflict does

[weary mortar]

I do conflict and dz all the time, i dunno what toxic play is, KD nor W/L….random words to me

[neat musk]

3 years of playing PVP and ive never seen a single person talk about KD

stat padding in this game isnt an issue

[neat musk]

KD: Kill death ratio
W/L: win loss ratio

[weary mortar]

Oh ok, meaningless to me, all i care is what build player use, how good the player is against me, counter build, counter play and start shooting

[calm plinth]

idk why ur acting weird dude read the entire convo before u reply to me

[neat musk]

you said conflict has a stat padding issue. Ive never heard anyone use that as a flex or even seen the stat itself. So I disagree, stat padding really isnt an issue

[calm plinth]

ok that’s fine if you don’t care about it, but the way they’ve implemented stats is just one of a couple issues that add to some of the problems of the mode

spawns, stats, limited resources, map design, build balance, etc

creates poor player incentives

[neat musk]

Its not that I dont care about it, I just dont see stats as an actual issue. more everything else you just mentioned

I get W/L cuz more XP and caches ig

[calm plinth]

there are players that care about their stats in games just bc you don’t care ab your KD in cod doesn’t mean everyone doesnt for example

the fact is you can leave 50 games in a row and have a 100% w/l and a good KD

stuff like that with no real punishment makes the game lose a lot of meaning

[neat musk]

yes but what does that gain the player if those stats are effectively irrelevant in division 2.
in COD WL and KD raises SBMM meaning more competitive matches. div has no SBMM or ranking system.

I just personally dont see people stat padding in conflict more just short temper rage quiting and expecting perfect teams

[neat musk]

Abandon sanctions would be cool

[calm plinth]

yeah they should def add it

[neat musk]

I dont know what kind of punishment they would give besides no more conflict matching for X amount of time

maybe cache bans? no caches for X amount of games ontop of a X amount of time ban

[weary mortar]

Some players take pvp too seriously….stats on an old game like this. I know where i got my fun in pvp

[tawdry pier]

I believe that wins and losses affect the clan's leaderboard # so players may be instructed by their commanders and such to leave lmao.
Just spitballing

[wet badger]

I once ran into a guy who gloated about his 3.0KD on conflict on Xbox, we were in the DZ on PC, dude got fully ran thru and all he was clutching on to was his meaningless stat on a trash game mode hhhhh hilarious guy

[earnest oriole]

So did Ubi give up on policing the cheaters on PC? Came back recently and I see multiple cheaters a day just speeding across the map and rapid firing a shotgun across the map, through buildings

[ripe root]

Sometimes, those kd and wl are one of index to filter strong player , just like searching shd agent kill number in dz
But your concern is meaningless, because people only searching like top 10, 20, 30 etc, they won't actually look about XXXX to XXXXX because it is wasting time
It is possible of stat padding to top tier in the list but chance are too low, since you have to play many enough match just like those top tier player

[calm plinth]

i know the stats are meaningless, im just saying the way its implemented adds on to the bad player incentives

[ripe root]

Well I don't see those are main reasons that encourage player become bad to keep their numbers looks beautiful, maybe some of player bad because no punishment, 1% ,2%？
Player bad because their personality, they won't being like go conflict become bad, go cod or something else then become good

[calm plinth]

yeah u can say what u want ab the ppl that do it but ive personally had ppl leave bc we were losing and they didnt want to ruin their stats its definitely not the most pressing issue of the mode but its not good and ruins games

[weary mortar]

so many clear examples in real life that reflect this kind of thinking. the stats should reflect how you play over time, instead you're purposely performing an action trying to 'improve' your stats.

[wet badger]

The Devs don't ban cheaters, they do however ban people exploiting PvE for SHD levels. Priorities.

Or for toxicity

[wet badger]

If only we could get at least 1 PvP change per patch, or a small balancing change, just a few % here, leave it for a patch, if bad change it back, it would do a lot to keeping players playing the game, but yet again we got a patch with 0 PvP changes even though Projedct Resolve was supposed to be a continued effort...

[limber cedar]

and the only thing they did was increase xp from conflict matches and give one more high-end item on conflict caches.

[wet badger]

they even teased us with a instant medkit that made a difference, then took it away because it was a 'bug', every time they make nice changes they take them away, every time they make the TTK faster they do nothing to compensate for it

[limber cedar]

yeah tell me about it, they killed my beloved System corruption because of this "bug"

[wet badger]

yeah, and to think that system was even remotely competitive even with the medkit stacking

knee jerk reaction change based off of nothing

[limber cedar]

i think it was fair to be honest, like, devs: you can use armor kit like 12 times with perfect efficient, but SC? no, a gear set giving endless armor kits (the instant 25% thing) that was too much.

[wet badger]

remember also that Iron Lung despite having already 25% more base damage than a regular MG5 pre-patch, they decided that an additional 10% buff was necessary.

Now you have umbra iron lung players sitting at range and u cant push, all it takes is 1 single stray bullet and u cant fire ur gun for 6s

whatever these 'diminishing' returns was supposed to do was pointless, i cant feel the changes whatsoever

[limber cedar]

that was because of the shock and foam spammers

[wet badger]

but u can still spam foam 3x in a row... nothing changed

[limber cedar]

exactly

[wet badger]

the good change with foam was slowing it down, this was well done, BUT WHY DID THEY HAVE TO SLOW DOWN ALL CHEMS??? because coding it for just the foam is too hard?

the shock change was also pretty good

[limber cedar]

idk what i fell about the instant kit, like, some div1 fans asked for the fast heal back, but it doesnt feel the same.

[wet badger]

but whatever happened to the Regulus and Nemesis nerfs? they teased us with that and NEVER FOLLOWED THROUGH

[wet badger]

thats because in div 1 there is a perk called critical save and u could also use the refreshed mask to get a stronger med, combined with a tactical use of cover to break LoS for a second or 2 ur medkit would be worth so much more, u could easily get 40-50% health back in div 1 with a 20% dmg mitigation buff for 10s, and this was in a game where the TTK is twice as long, u cant even compare instant medkit from div 1 to div 2

[limber cedar]

yeah, especially with that "way more op unbreakable" AKA classified nomad build.

[wet badger]

with the state of the game atm i would love classified nomad so people cant just camp power positions, im so sick of trying to pvp but everyone has snipers and pistol or some other kind of full red or full yellow insta kill build, or setup, i wish people could just fight, but people will just fight whichever way is most effective.

[earnest oriole]

Balancing in this game is broken, period.
Umbra is broken. Iron Lung, Capacitor, and Ouroboros are stupid strong with it.
Fought a server the other day, and 4 of the 8 players were running Umbra. Constantly getting set on fire with Iron lung or insta-deleted with Oro or Capacitor.

My personal favorite is fighting players running pulse res, glass cannon determined that sit in the back and wait for your toe to stick out so they can 1-tap you.

[wet badger]

The Ouroboros pales in comparison to Iron Lung, Nemesis & Regulus, and only really excels with Striker, in this meta Striker cant excel because people just hold angles 247, there is no more fast paced PvP against 'decent players' they're all just so scared to die they bring the pace of the game down to a crawl where only 1 taps can change the tide of battle, its so fucking boring.

[misty dome]

is it just me, or theres no DZ that got invaded today?

[craggy trench]

you are correct it seems.....

[tawdry pier]

Black tusk gave up

[craggy trench]

Update south is invaded the map is just fucked

[inland tusk]

☠️

[ripe root]

BTW the diminishing system of status effect already exist before devs said then going make this to again status 🤫

[craggy trench]

Idk why are you asking in pvp chat

[left tinsel]

Ah, oops ! Deleted it now 😄

[craggy trench]

All good lmao

[hoary edge]

The game is filled with cheats! When will there be a normal anti-cheat?

[neat musk]

its an old game

anti cheat isnt getting any better

[leaden acorn]

Add vigorous

[stiff storm]

Anyone know how some players are running all blue builds with the Regulus and they have the Dynasty Holster on without actually having it on?

Ran into someone who had the radius of the holster bug and was burned by him* but he had a blue build without actually having the holster on.