td2-descent

[cyan totem]

Curious if there’s anything new in reconstructed caches

[dusk niche]

No new blueprints it seems

[twin geyser]

Bruh

[calm patrol]

No new blueprint.

Already check

[cyan totem]

Rip

[twin geyser]

18 comms and no blueprints

[stiff rain]

wtf

where tf is my backbone blueprint

[nocturne hedge]

Yay

[cyan totem]

You’ll get your backbone when you fix this door

[vocal hull]

Anyone got the new arm patch?🫡

[red ledge]

Not me, I haven't got to level 10

[vocal hull]

The nemesis one?

[red ledge]

Oh, that. Yeah, maybe next run. I finished my nemesis run at loop 6

[twin geyser]

Is it loop 8 stupidity again?

Or they learned something

[dusk niche]

Didn't they say the modifiers apply in descent? It doesn't seem to be the case

[red ledge]

They did not say that. They said the modifiers do not apply to Descent and PvP

[nocturne hedge]

They said modifiers won't be in pvp and descent

[mighty tartan]

I would have kept these modifiers in Descent only

Different globals Rotating along with the talent pool, and each loop introduces new modifiers to slot in

[twin geyser]

Reflecting damage is not the stuff I want to see in Descent 💀

[ashen bloom]

If we got a glitch that turns the shock trap into cluster grenades, isn't impossible that somebody maybe will find a bug to make this possible

[red ledge]

I don't understand why some people have a harder time with reflect damage modifier over shock/burn ammo modifier

[twin geyser]

Enemies can sometimes shoot you through cover. And about shock/burn - not all enemies have marks and you can't tell till you get shredded 😭

[red ledge]

Hmm, that's fair

[nocturne hedge]

Shock is so frustrating when it happens

[young agate]

Hovering the cursor over the decent icon in the mini map doesn't tell you what the current pool is anymore, it isn't important by any means but it seems weird they would take that away for some reason

[rustic bough]

I would only agree to modifiers in Descent if it applies to the enemies, too

[young agate]

If anyone was wondering if the bug that doesn't give your armor back when using armor kit was resolved by chance, it was not 🤣

[nocturne hedge]

at this point im not getting my hopes up lol

[tepid canopy]

are the new tier patches bugged like the previous season or not?

[twin geyser]

No courage to test

[tepid canopy]

I will on the weekend

Dont have time for a loop 40 run during weekdays usually

[viscid leaf]

At least the weapon buffs apply to Descent. I've noticed that the starting pistol does more damage now.

[twin geyser]

Why shouldn't they apply? Buffs for all weapons everywhere) would be strange to see old dmg in descent and updated everywhere else

[viscid leaf]

I just assumed they wouldn't update the Descent damage numbers since they didn't buff the talents in Descent such as Entrench or Adaptive Instincts.

[cyan totem]

Weapon base is different, it's just inherent to the game.

the descent talents are scaled differently from open world talents anyways.

[twin geyser]

Wait, what? Adaptive instincts require old numbers of shots to be activated?

[viscid leaf]

Back when the loop was still Gluttony, it still takes 30 headshots, 30 leg shots, and 75 body shots for buffs to activate.

[vocal hull]

The nemesis arm patch is kind of bugged like last season, done loop 10, but only got the tier4 patch. @twin geyser

[twin geyser]

Try killing Nemesis after loop 8, like last patch

I don't think they fixed this crap

[vocal hull]

Gonna try that next week🫡

[tepid canopy]

Nice thanks for the info man

And yeah nemesis patch is now kinda rng dependant bc of the changes the devs did to descent to be able to reach nemesis sooner

So basically gotta pray you get enough hard/medium rooms to reach loop 8

[dusk niche]

the "fix" is what we have now. They ignored player feedback asking to revert it

[ocean orchid]

I did the “best Nemesis at the latest loop possible” patch aka loop 8 last season and it gave me the patch for the Vanguard season instead of First Rogue heh

[young agate]

Was at the weapon selection, seeing the M249 with higher RPM than the MG5 was a trip

[ocean orchid]

LMG is so fun with Bullet Hell (ACS too)

[mighty tartan]

Priority Missions only have Decent as activity and not Summit or Countdown

[ocean orchid]

I have one for completing three Summit levels

[pine siren]

I've had ones for countdown and summit too

[nocturne hedge]

I've had 3 summit floors

But i wish they would remove the word "activity" and break it down into summit, countdown and descent so we would know what we're getting into

[vocal hull]

They want to populate more modes, so I don’t think they will tell us.🤡

[dusk niche]

Can confirm new seasonal patch, same requirements as last season

[rustic bough]

yoooo

[dusk niche]

https://discordapp.com/channels/477210626742288384/553520755103760385/1301895209151500458

Pic if anyone is interested

[feral halo]

Hello. I have a problem, I have 468/522 blueprints and reconstructed caches do not drop any new blueprints

[meager wyvern]

I have been to the Summit and Countdown multiple times for Prio missions. Summit is clear 3 floors and Countdown is complete objectives.

[twin geyser]

8 loops? 💀

[dusk niche]

Afraid so

Might be me but the room RNG seems a bit more friendly to doing loop 8 than before

[viscid leaf]

Did they bring back the Blind Justice talent? I was doing Descent earlier and saw it proc for a split second.

[twin geyser]

Can confirm. Because of clownish (as always) decision of the dev team, Nemesis arm patch isn't available if you reach Nemesis earlier than loop 8. We got 3 medium rooms in a row and guess what - it ruined the arm patch run

[dusk niche]

Yes it's pretty stupid (to put it midly) players having to do all the heat math each loop, and most cases abandon descent at loop 5 or 6 because they get too many medium rooms.
I didn't get it at first attempt and it can be frustrating

3 mediums in a row is crazy

[twin geyser]

Man, last season I wasted 10 tries (I counted) before it worked

The worst part is that before loop 6-7 you can potentially have a good result = 4 hard per loop (almost impossible, but perfect for our goal) or 3 hard + 1 medium per loop (average, sounds ok) BUT THEN, after loop 6 you get mediums after mediums and it's so annoying

[dusk niche]

Yeah I got a decent run got a buffer of 2 loops with only hard rooms and managed it in the end but managing the math sucks
But the devs don't even play descent lol because if they did they would know it's a bad system
And I don't expect them to change it

[twin geyser]

They're busy with pushing even more paid crap into the store

[dusk niche]

Yeah but it won't be my money that's for sure. I'm just gonna leech whatever's free

[jolly cave]

@worldly void English only on the server, and also LFG's for Descent goes to #lfg-pc
GL Agent

[vocal hull]

Always lv7 then nemesis 💩, you got to be really lucky to get to lv8 to kill nemesis🤡

[twin geyser]

And it was reported multiple times last season, but as always - no changes

[dusk niche]

Done it twice this season but yes very frustrating getting to 6 or 7 and getting medium rooms

[vocal hull]

It’s really frustrating💀

[ocean orchid]

That patch is/was glitched anyway. I got the Vanguard Nemesis patch instead of First Rogue last season. Sigh

[twin geyser]

Imagine them actually caring about descent (spoiler: talent pools + useless yellow attack skills was an extremely unwanted and crappy decision, but here we are)

[ocean orchid]

That wasn’t a fun challenge as well. Pretty stressful lol

[wicked flame]

Any way to allow returning/new players to get more that 1 decent com a week… currently at 5 and to get all 90 going to take for ever especially with additional ones being added…

[twin geyser]

Nope. FOMO at its best

[nocturne hedge]

Lmao rip. That's 85 weeks for you

[pine siren]

They do occasionally give multiple comms as a catch up mechanic but it's not consistent

[dusk niche]

Yeah comms are fine lack of a proper catch-up isn't fine
Wouldn't want to be a new player that's engaged in the lore

[nocturne hedge]

Also for alt characters as well. Its easy to get all collectibles in any other category but not descent lol

[ionic plover]

Is there a Harvest blueprint yet

[ionic plover]

Nvm I can confirm there is in fact no Harvest blueprint

[dusk niche]

It's a seasonal item like chill out so there's never going to be a blueprint

[ionic plover]

Thank you nature boy

[stiff rain]

washed

[mighty tartan]

Noooo

Nemesis doesn’t dodge grenades anymore

[rustic bough]

Was it suppressed?

[mighty tartan]

Nope

I can’t flush it out of cover now

It would rather take the small damage instead of being open to attack now

[wicked flame]

85 + every new com they release in the next 2 years xD

[young agate]

That and being able to prevent it from using an armor kit

[rocky bison]

What's the rotation guys ?

[red ledge]

Greed

And honestly, I'd prefer fighting Outcasts over Hyenas. Hyenas are vicious bastards in the mode

[calm patrol]

I hope they just give us option buy old comms in descent vendor.

I miss couple descent comms.

[nocturne hedge]

Man i am NOT spending nsa tech on comms lol

[red ledge]

What would be your preferred Comms catch-up mechanic?

[nocturne hedge]

Same as what we have now, you kill nemesis once and get a bunch of extra ones

[pine siren]

Maybe up to 5 comms per nemesis clear until you're caught up but also let you do that multiple times a week so you can get all up to date in a short space of time

[dusk niche]

That would be ideal for new players but even just a comm per nemesis run would be decent, but if they keep adding each season new comms yeah it'll have to be more than one. New players/alt chars can never catch up as is right now

[calm patrol]

I have too many nsa tech now outfit already bought, other than cache yeah nothing

[stiff rain]

this man does expertise

[dusk niche]

Could be me but blb feels giga busted in descent after the update
Rotation is sloth btw

[rustic bough]

let's gooooooo

[mighty tartan]

Had a situation where using an Armor kit didn’t heal you, very strange

[stiff rain]

first time?

[frozen radish]

what does this mean - is it better or worse?

[dusk niche]

better seems bugged weapon damage with it seems way higher even without swapping

[young agate]

Wild thought here, I'm wondering if not having the efficiency talent is somehow effecting a chance to proc a no-go medkit when it shouldn't

[nocturne hedge]

happens even without efficient equipped

[young agate]

What I mean is what if it's bugged because you don't have it, and then maybe fixes itself when it has to follow the rules of that talent

[young narwhal]

i got the mantis sniper from a reward catch

cache

[hard glade]

What is blb?

[stiff rain]

busy little bee

[hard glade]

That's avaialble in Descent? I don't see it listed at https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Descent

[stiff rain]

the wiki is bad anyway, but yes it's in the current rotation

[hard glade]

Is there an updated list somewhere else?

[stiff rain]

you could see it in game

i think the community discord also has one

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1REi6cA7oSzT7h0O9YD6uxAbnCTmE-YKMDctsKogzXC8/edit?usp=drivesdk

[worthy juniper]

Any tips for running descent? Thought I might go hard on it while NYC is bugged

[nimble sandal]

Stacking unhinged is really fun and funny

Adrenaline rush stacks nicely

For the most part damage output is the easiest thing to focus, especially with cores though it doesn’t hurt to take a blue core

Nemesis can use whatever options are available as skills for the player if I’m not mistaken

They’re just a normal hunter for the most part

You can buy special ammo and just keep it loaded in your sidearm as a makeshift Scorpio

Helps with named enemies especially

Pretty sure shock doesn’t affect nem but I haven’t tried that

[rustic bough]

wait for a better rotation, Sloth is not for the faint-hearted

[nimble sandal]

That’s also true

But hey if you can handle it then no biggie!

[hard glade]

Unhinged isn't in the current pool

[nimble sandal]

😭

[hard glade]

Oh dang, I can't paste images in this channel? I was about to show what's in the setup, but I'm not gonna type all that out

It'll rotate out in... 1d 21h from now

Just found a video where someone did well on this set by stacking the Overwatch and Composure red talents. Their build also included Surgical (red), Vigilance (red), Optimized (y), and Incessant Chatter (exotic)

[rustic bough]

For Sloth, just these 4 talents will make you very powerful: Intimidate, Gunslinger, Versatile, Adrenaline Rush/Leadership. Although it requires constant micro-managing, hence very few people like it.

[twin geyser]

14 sec (gunslinger 10 / versatile 10) is enough to obliterate the 3-wave room in a good 4-man team. And yeah, slapping Intimidate on top is a must for sure

[young agate]

Don't get discouraged if you die in the first room or first loop, in some ways it's the toughest, since you don't have a build put together

[young agate]

Last night I ran solo with a full skill build with oxidizer, nemesis has it too but they're to busy dancing between all the clouds I'm putting down 🤣

[low sigil]

Anybody wanna run descent?

[pine siren]

this is the discussion channel, for groups check #lfg-playstation

[dusk niche]

Rotation for the next 3 days is wrath which I guess is better for arm patch seekers

[viscid leaf]

Yay. I can't wait to get to Nemesis on loop 7 six times in a row due to bad rng.

[nimble sandal]

Wrath is how I got my reaper looking nemesis patch ♥️

[humble patrol]

Icl how do you play descent I wanna have a go at it but I have no one to play with

[crimson gulch]

@humble patrol There are a ton of videos on youtube showing you "the ropes" plus, I suggest just hoping in by yourself and figure it out. No need to be scared. The mode only gives, it doesnt take away. Matchmaking is also great although it could take some time, at times.

[ocean orchid]

Anyone get the “beat Nemesis at the latest loop possible” patch this season? I’m curious if it’s giving the correct patch for the current season

I completed that last season but got the Vanguard patch instead of First Rogue

[dusk niche]

Yes, you get it if you meet that requirement

[stiff rain]

i got one for this season just earlier today, for Shades of Red

also got tier 4/3/2/1 patches for this season as well

[ocean orchid]

I know. I’m saying I got the patch for the Vanguard season when it should have been the First Rogue patch. I’m curious if that is happening still for current season

That Nemesis patch is a pain in the butt to get too heh

[stiff rain]

i think they patched it in the middle of the season to update it to First Rogue

but i remember that, it happened to PC too

[ocean orchid]

I will try again when I’m feeling up to the grind and see what happens

[stiff rain]

but yes, i did get the current one for this season

[ocean orchid]

Perfect

I found that pretty challenging tbh. Scary to fight Nemesis at the end of that all lol

I popped it a bunch with the M1A + Plague until the ticks kicked in hard

[hexed portal]

Why is descent such a pain? Been playing in groups of 4 & we never get to the nemesis, everyone picks the hard rooms & then wipe at like 60%.

When me & my friend play we can make it to the end but I don't get any comms, are they not dropping?

[viscid leaf]

You only get one comm per Nemesis kill per week.

[twin geyser]

What's the rotation today? Is it wrath?

[stiff rain]

wrath yeah

[twin geyser]

Hell yeah, loop 40 time

[stiff rain]

gl, just got it today

[twin geyser]

In a group of 4, picking hard rooms is quite necessary, because the earlier you reach nemesis, the weaker you are (less talents / less damage etc.)

Your damage at loop 4-5 and at loop 7-8 is a big difference (+ chance to get more exotic talents)

[hexed portal]

Not if they get creamed after 4. How did you manage to get 40 loops? It wasn't in 1 shot was it?

[twin geyser]

You can't save in-between, so it's one shot adventure (about 4 hours, if doing right and almost no breaks)

[hexed portal]

How do you continue after killing the nemesis?

I generally try to just make myself strong enough to get by but don't wanna be overpowered so I dont get smoked by myself

[twin geyser]

After you kill the Nemesis, there are two buttons in the right bottom corner of your screen - leave to DC / Continue

You smash continue and proceed to the next loop

[rustic bough]

bro gets to 40 without me anymore

🥲

[twin geyser]

But it's not sloth, that's why, I guess...

[crimson gulch]

Any1 knows if the Descent season patches can be obtained solo or in a smaller group or are they only obtainable by being in a full 4 member group?

[twin geyser]

All season patches are obtainable solo or in a party of any amount of players. However, the higher the loop, the less control you have in the room. Spongier enemies, elites only etc.

[crimson gulch]

@twin geyser Patches can only be obtained after killing the Nemesis @ loop 7 or is it 8?

[twin geyser]

Nemesis patch - kill after loop 8
Tier 4 - complete loop 10
Tier 3 - complete loop 20
Tier 2 - complete loop 30
Tier 1 - complete loop 40

[crimson gulch]

@twin geyser I dont understand the loops... In the leaderboards it says Ive reached loop 44 but I havent been further loop 22. Anyway... Thanks for the reply. At least I know now Nemesis patch is at loop 8. Thanks!

[twin geyser]

Leaderboards are broken, don't look at them. If you have any questions, related to descent - feel free to ask 👌

[crimson gulch]

@twin geyser I see... Thanks!

[stiff rain]

(next week...)

[stiff rain]

the nemesis doesn't scale with your talents btw, feel free to level your strongest talents

[rustic bough]

Wow, an auto-reply 😔

[ionic plover]

dw ik the feeling.

[stiff rain]

sir

[stiff rain]

okay but you do get auto-replied tho

[trail crow]

Did anything change with the new season? Are we still stuck with rotations?

[twin geyser]

Will forever be. They don't care

[trail crow]

Is there a list of builds you guys recommend for each rotation?

I mostly play solo and can try things out but would appreciate insight

[viscid leaf]

Does leveling up in Descent affect the base damage of weapons after the level up? I've noticed that the Snubnosed Diceros does more damage than the 586 Magnum and the SASG does more damage than the Super 90. These values might be after I leveled up.

I've also noticed that my armor is smaller than it should be, even after getting a blue core upgrade. The last one I got at loop 26 didn't look like it affected me or applied.

[rustic bough]

What do you mean "leveled up"?

[rustic bough]

Choosing armor cores in the Descent is, for the most part, useless. If you went armor cores all the way, then you lack some serious firepower, and if you did pick it just intermittently, then it won't make you any less likely to die as the armor you have is just non-existant

[viscid leaf]

If you complete seasonal journey challenges while in Descent that reward normal xp, that xp applies to your descent character which is at level 10. When I look at players in descent from open world, it shows them at level 10 in an off site location. However some friends I noticed were in there at level 11 and 12.

[viscid leaf]

I use armor to make the bonus armor from Leadership and Bloodsucker stronger which has helped me every now and then from being one shot.

[rustic bough]

I'm not aware of that, sorry.

[viscid leaf]

Alright. As a side note the level ups gave me field proficiency caches, both green and blue, and shd tech which I can't access in Descent and might be deleted once I leave the simulation. I also think the specific challenge I did was Journey level 7: Destroy enemy gadgets.

[rustic bough]

Thats funny. It's crazy how much the Devs overlook certain mechanics in every update

[lament geyser]

who wants to do descent i need help on it

[pine siren]

this is the discussion channel for the mode, to find other players use #lfg-pc or #lfg-playstation

[lament geyser]

ok

[stiff rain]

that value scales with the red buff you pick at end of loop

[nocturne hedge]

weekly project displayed 2 comms as a reward but only got the usual one

[red ledge]

Visual bug

[steep palm]

what is Sloth on the descent mode

[nimble sandal]

It’s the pool of talents that are available for you to choose

When you complete rooms and etc

[steep palm]

ok

[worthy juniper]

any gun types better than other in descent?

[worthy juniper]

Ive learned im not as good at div 2 as I thought

6th try woo

onwards

[nimble sandal]

I like using assault rifles and smgs and they are relatively easy to build on

[jolly cave]

@slate owl You're looking for #lfg-playstation, GL Agent

[jolly cave]

@hearty vine You're looking for #lfg-pc

[worthy juniper]

is solo decent the way to go?

[rustic bough]

it's subjective; some may like playing in a team, some may not

[worthy juniper]

woo 50 total decent loops and not a single nemisis kill

im so good at this game

[rustic bough]

truly a decent player

[red ledge]

What's the current rotation?

[rustic bough]

Sloth probably

[red ledge]

Fine by me

[young agate]

I prefer solo, 1v1 for nemesis is pretty manageable as long as you don't try to bum rush it (unless you are stomping HVTs in seconds)

[rocky bison]

Cricket - Vigil - The Drill - Visionario

These have been added

[nocturne hedge]

oh you gotta be kidding me, when?

[rocky bison]

today

[nocturne hedge]

i just opened all the caches i was holding onto like a few days ago

[rocky bison]

lol

[stiff rain]

yep, can confirm they added the blueprints last maintenance

backbone is still not here because yes

[deep drift]

they added only 4 bps from the actual season, so yeah, 6 bps are still missing

[nocturne hedge]

we're still missing the BPs from the last few seasons, right?

they jumped a few seasons and added this season's items?

[deep drift]

Yep, 4 BPs from TU 19 (Born Great, Grown Great, Carpenter, BackBone) and 2 BPs from TU 20 (Combuster, Proxy).

[twin geyser]

Another Nemesis Arm Patch run is ruined by a bunch of medium rooms one after another

5-th or 6-th try, btw

[young agate]

Would be great if they let us increase the difficulty of rooms at the room selection

Not only for this, but can you imagine toggling hard rooms to HVT rooms at will

[twin geyser]

Would be great if they'll do literally ANYTHING useful for descent

[ashen bloom]

What is the patch again?
Is kill nemesis after loop 8?

[twin geyser]

Yeap

[ocean orchid]

That’s pretty dumb if you have bad luck and don’t get enough rooms to make it to loop 8

I was assuming it literally was highest loop possible in any particular run

[twin geyser]

I'll tell you more, mate. This particular issue was adressed multiple times throughout whole last season. Nothing was fixed

[ocean orchid]

I got the wrong patch last season that was a bit of a turn off heh

[rustic bough]

I mean, welcome to Descent. Everything is about luck

[ocean orchid]

Yes. Gamble if your armour kit works

That’s always fun lol

[crimson gulch]

So I keep doing all hard rooms and never get to Loop 8 before the Nemesis. Always Loop 7. I understand there's RNG, but is there something else? Are Boss/Skull rooms Hard? Should I skip those and go for the actual Hard room instead?

[ocean orchid]

Yes boss rooms are hard difficulty/3%

[crimson gulch]

Then it's all RNG? Oh well... I guess it's OK to have the rest of the season to keep trying and helping others. Thanks for the reply! @ocean orchid

[ocean orchid]

That patch is a bit of pain in the butt for sure. GL

[viscid leaf]

You can have a maximum of 7 medium rooms in a run to reach Nemesis on loop 8 (which means 21 hard rooms minimum as well). That will bring you up to 98% at the end of loop 7.

Inversely if you wanted to kill Nemesis as quickly as possible, you have a maximum of 6 medium rooms to select in one run (10 easy rooms minimum) to get to Nemesis on loop 4.

[rustic bough]

maffs

[bronze oak]

hello, I wanted to know if we lose our hardcore character if he dies going downhill.

[crimson gulch]

@viscid leaf I keep trying n trying and end up only killing the Nemesis after completing Loop 7. No patch. 😔 I guess its the RNG, keeping me short of a Hard room or something. Maybe I need to be in a Full group/ 4 players? I'll just keep at it.

@bronze oak Sorry.. I don't understand your question.

[bronze oak]

sry i use translate, do we lose our hardcore character if he dies going descent?

[dusk niche]

No, your character is safe in descent

[crimson gulch]

No @bronze oak Thats the beauty of it.

[vocal hull]

Totally RNG, I tried around 10 runs to get the patch, only the last run I got to loop 8 to kill nemesis🤡

[worthy juniper]

what do you even do vs a nemisis with a repair hive?

I would get them to about half then they would pop a hive then get back to full before I could do anything about it

[crimson gulch]

@worthy juniper The really messed up one is the Nemesis with the Healing Chem. One single pop and he's fully healed anywhere he's at. The Healing Hive is super easy. You can destroy it or grenade it.

[worthy juniper]

I guess my setup just lacked damage then

[crimson gulch]

@worthy juniper Not DMG just make him move away from his Hive and his Hive will stay there for a while.

Ofcourse you do need DMG as well... Just saying about the Hive.

[worthy juniper]

no no I mean the issue is that even when they where away from it

[crimson gulch]

I always go Full DMG with Decoy and Foam.

All Reds and just 1 Yellow before the Nemesis in order to have 2 Foam drops.

[worthy juniper]

I had an very odd shotgun + rush/intim

i mean it worked for the rest of the rooms just not nem..

do you tend to run lower or higher tier rooms?

[crimson gulch]

@worthy juniper When just going for a quick Nemesis run during the weekly Comms... I do all Easy rooms. Reach Nemesis by Loop 4, or rarely by Loop 5. This is Solo. Then again, I also like to go All Hard or Hardest rooms available in order to try and get to Nemesis after Loop 8.

[nocturne hedge]

just throw grenades at the hive

[young agate]

After they deploy it, you have to get them away from the area and then try to deny them that area as best you can. Sometimes that's grenades, sometimes they'll move on their own, sometimes in desperation mode you have to then go squat on their hive so they don't get too close

[ashen bloom]

What are other skills that nemesis can't copy, like the reviver hive (his Variant will be restorer) and decoy?

[ocean orchid]

I think it gets random skills. shield too

[vocal hull]

They will get some random skills

[nocturne hedge]

I believe pusle cant be copied as well

[viscid leaf]

He does copy decoy, however it's rare. He will not copy repair trap, any form of pulse, booster and reviver hive, demolisher and burster firefly, cluster seeker mine, and any form if shield.

[worthy juniper]

new question. what should I be spending nsa credits on. rn I have 5% extra decent money

[rocky bison]

once you are fully upgraded on perks , spend it on recon caches for blueprints

[worthy juniper]

i mean like what parks should I go for first

PfE, hs dmg?

[rocky bison]

it depends , armour on kill , crt rate , etc

[worthy juniper]

gotcha

[worthy juniper]

WOOOO!!! I killed one!

steady handed+ unhinged + braced is very funny

[worn ice]

I am new to descent, for the season journey I need to complete 3 loops, how is a loop completed? Until the % is 100?

And should I wait until lvl 40 for that? Or doesn’t matter?

Lvl 18 atm

[ashen bloom]

No, the descent runs are on a temporary and totally separate character, nothing on your main character matters.

[worn ice]

Thank you 🙂

[pine siren]

Give it a try and you'll soon figure it out, a loop is about 4 rooms then a boss arena. The % gauge is a measure of how far you are from meeting the Nemesis (extra boss).
On the whole I think there's not as much value in playing descent before you reach lvl 40, but it can be a good training ground.

[worn ice]

Thanks 🙂 journey 2 wants 3 completed loops :/

[pine siren]

You can usually reach the nemesis at the end of loop 4 if you pick all easy rooms (or medium ones when there are no easy ones) so if you're doing all 3 in a row I'd say push that bit further if you can and try for the nemesis, you'll get better rewards

[worn ice]

Ok will do thanks 🙂

[tawny parrot]

Please update this list

[nocturne hedge]

on it

Pinned list has been updated.
Note: Visionario is a named mask but ive been told it shows up in the chest category of the crafting table

[rustic bough]

oh yeah it does, lol

[nocturne hedge]

well that confirms it

[crimson gulch]

@nocturne hedge Is the current total blueprints 512?

[nocturne hedge]

yes

[twin geyser]

Can you, please, ping me with the info: what's the rotation and when it'll change?

[dusk niche]

Wrath and rotation started today so over 48 hours to go

[twin geyser]

NICE, thanks!

[ocean orchid]

Could someone post a pic of what this seasons Nemesis patch looks like please?

[dusk niche]

@ocean orchid

[ocean orchid]

Thank you. Looks good

[nimble sandal]

I am just now realizing that there are different nem patches for each season

I was wondering why there were multiple lmao

I was like “what the heck does vanguard nem mean”

[rustic bough]

you poor thing

[viscid leaf]

What's the difference between easy, medium, and hard rooms aside from the nemesis percentile, credits earned, and doors being marked? Are there more adds, do they have more health, or do more damage?

[runic elbow]

yes…

seeing as why they are called "easy, medium, and hard"

[twin geyser]

Idiot enemy is behind the spawn zone and is unkillable

But this is not prioritized to fix, no. Devs are real clowns with this mode(

[twin geyser]

And it doesn't despawn, lmao

[stiff rain]

...

they still haven't fixed this?

i can't believe

[rustic bough]

just don't kill them too quickly, smh smh

[nocturne hedge]

NPCs have more health, armor and damage the higer the diffculty of a room is

[twin geyser]

Finally did it. Loop 40 = 4 hours 25 minutes (one 13-min break)

[twin geyser]

Don't forget another "feature" - enemies can shoot through the door, they come from, but you can't, resulting into taking damage, but not being able to shoot back 💀👍

[stiff rain]

💀

[ocean orchid]

I once had an enemy spawn literally under the map and was shooting me from there. It was the room with the green looking water tubs and a grated floor on top

That was fun 🤪

[mystic sentinel]

Any tips if I'm new?

[manic pulsar]

Easy room means getting to meet the nemesis sooner. Hard room means getting to meet the nemesis later. Want a challenge? Do it solo. Want to have fun? Do it with randoms. As for the builds, I don't know. I haven't gotten that far. LOL! But the point of the descent is to experiment on each run, so yea. Have fun~

[pine siren]

for the first few loops, getting firestarter chem and one skill tier helps you clear rooms quickly, as you can frequently one-shot both spawn doors

[nimble sandal]

Honestly doing it solo has netted me almost always better results than going with randoms

Nemesis is much, much easier to solo

The random quality of, well, randoms is a lethal killer

Then again I do enjoy having complete control over my options and fights, so if you have a good team I’m sure it’s a breeze

[clever marsh]

Can St. Elmos Engine AR drop as reward by doing descent?

[red ledge]

No. You're better off grinding Countdown with AR targeted loot

[crimson gulch]

@clever marsh You can Purchase Exotic Caches with Descent currencies. Those exotic caches can drop you the St. ELMOS.

@clever marsh But like @red ledge said...There are much better chances of it dropping farming Countdown on Challenging or Heroic with Assault Rifles as targeted loot.

Or any AR targeted Loot spot. Good Luck!

[clever marsh]

will it drop in normal difficulty?

I cant solo right now

[crimson gulch]

Matchmaking for Countdown on Challenging is the best choice. For any type of loot or exotic. You can matchmake, no problem on those modes.

[clever marsh]

Ohh okay, thanks for tip! I haven't played in 3 years. these are all new to me

[crimson gulch]

It could drop on normal difficulty but Challenging or Heroic are much better chances.

@clever marsh Just go into the Countdown menu and figure it out. Its default on Normal but you can switch it to Challenging or Heroic then Matchmake. 8 players will all work together in Countdown.

Kinda hectic and tricky at first but the more you play it... The easier it gets. You will notice everyone will speed run the heck out of it.

[clever marsh]

I just went lmao I got carried hard.

[crimson gulch]

Oh yeah... That 2 can happen! Making it the best mode to farm anything you need.

@clever marsh Descent does have Reconstructed Caches that will provide you with Blueprints. Including all DZ exclusives. Making it another great game mode for very specific needs.

[rustic bough]

Not sure if this is a bug, but now whenever your teammates pick a talent, the icon appears above your right shoulder too. It's a nice change

[rough raptor]

I'd like to ask a question regarding descent exclusive glove / backpack in the shop

How do I unlock them?

Like to be purchasable in the shop with cred

I couldn't find any info about it whatsoever

[red ledge]

If you're talking about the 4 colored uniforms from the shop, you can buy them around 1660+ NSA Tech. You get those by completing the loops and doing HVT rooms.

It's a long-term grind, so don't expect to get to 1k NSA Tech right away

[rough raptor]

Sadly those I already bought

[red ledge]

Well, in that case, there's no exclusive glove/backpack in the shop IIRC

[rough raptor]

wish I could post pics here

I found it somewhere else that shows it in the cosmetic shops

can I DM you?

[nocturne hedge]

did you figure out what you were looking for? cause aside from the 4 outfits there are no other cosmetics in the descent shop

[rough raptor]

no, not the descent shop, it's from usual cosmetic shop

[mighty tartan]

I think the audio length of all the Descent coms have now passed the Hearts of Fire audiodrama

[red ledge]

Is that so? We still got 15 left to collect

[dusk niche]

You already have all the blueprints obtainable from descent
The rest you're missing is not from descent and some are not possible to obtain

[twin geyser]

For how many years we are unable to collect all blueprints, because they can't add them?

[nocturne hedge]

Screw named blueprints, i want them to add some blueprints like ceska chest and stuff

High end BPs that dont exist

And striker holster for example

I'd happily trade like 50% of the named item BPs i have for those 2 lol

[zinc tulip]

Anyone know what talent pool is active now? Or can point me in a direction where I can check it outside of the game?

[dusk niche]

Envy

And I agree with the blueprints Ryberg last year talked about it and nothing has changed it's even worse now because virtuoso has no blueprints
And I don't personally like how older sets have 3-4 blueprints and the newer ones have all 6

[ashen bloom]

Is there a list of all the different rotations?

[rustic bough]

Gluttony, Wrath, Envy, Greed, Sloth

GWEGS

[rocky bison]

WEGGS

[nocturne hedge]

SEGGw

got my 69th comm. nice.

[native anchor]

Whenever I decide to play until I die with my friends, it always ends up bugging out. Sad.

[lusty kite]

What up peeps

Rifle best way to run descent with and shotgun?

[ocean orchid]

I tried the full auto rifles recently . They do clear doors pretty good

and you can tap the trigger for semi auto shots against distant targets

[stark moon]

It depends on the talent pools but I've gotten to 40+ a few times with a super90 and m1a.

[ocean orchid]

ACS12 with bullet hell hehe

[young agate]

ACS12 w/ bullet hell/payment in kind/surgical/strained/obliterate

I've had this build, took me about 20-25 shots to take out nemesis with no red cores

[twin geyser]

We often go to loop 40 with SMG + Shotgun + Versatility / Gunslinger

[rustic bough]

it is the way

[stiff rain]

this is the way

we intimidate our enemies

[autumn ice]

why were checkpoints not added to descent mode? The mode already takes a lot of time running between locations, and there is no way to save your progress.

[jolly cave]

Actually we have a confirmed answer to if they're going to be added:

-Yannick```

[autumn ice]

Then maybe they should have thought about it from the very beginning, even before releasing the unfinished mode?

[jolly cave]

I don't know why you're grumpy with me about it, I don't work there.

[twin geyser]

Any hints about reconnection when it crashes?

[jolly cave]

If I knew that, my name would be in yellow.

[twin geyser]

Got it

[humble halo]

What does yellow name means

[jolly cave]

Admins, they run the actual server (and AFAIk are all employed at MSV/or Ubi).

[crimson gulch]

Do we get high end weapons in this mode? If so, at what point/loop does this start to happen? I guess Exotic Weapons are a not available at all?

[rustic bough]

Nope, blue rarity is the final one. Don't need exotic weapons when you get to use their talents

[ashen bloom]

Why the time on descent is always 7 AM if we never get to see the outside of the facility 🤔

[nocturne hedge]

Manhunts and countdown also lock the time iirc

[ashen bloom]

Yeah but on those you can see the sky right.

[harsh violet]

what's the rotation today?

[dusk niche]

Greed

[crimson gulch]

We used to just hover over the Descent emblem on the map and it would show the rotation. Why take that away?

[west crag]

anyone got any tips for descent picks? done it a million times just never actually gotten to the nemesis, I've gotten close though.

Also, what do the rotations mean for descent?

[stiff rain]

go all in weapon damage, prioritize red talents, don't use risky skills

[west crag]

yeah that's what I've heard, appreciate the confirmation.

what's the most ideal exotic talent?

I'd assume breathe free?

[stiff rain]

it's a talent pool that goes on for a limited time that dictates what talents you get while it's active

3 days each

[west crag]

oh

[stiff rain]

so based on the above, it depends on the rotation

[west crag]

so greed = doctor home, breathe free, and glass cannon?

[stiff rain]

yes

[west crag]

cause I just did a priority objective for it

I see.

[stiff rain]

you want breathe free

[west crag]

er wait It wasn't breathe free it was sandman

mb

sandman, glass cannon, and doctor home

was my options

[stiff rain]

you can skip or go glass cannon if you're ballsy

[young agate]

Being squishy against nemesis is risky, and I wouldn't go with glass cannon unless you have status effects to widen your damage window

[west crag]

so it really ls just roll the dice on rotation

[stiff rain]

imo restart the run and try to get breathe free in loop 1

[west crag]

man..

ah okay

also wait a minute, rotor blades, is that an item in the division you found?

your discord background

[stiff rain]

yes, it's a pun on RoterBlitz

a speedrunner for this game

[west crag]

ah okay

[young agate]

My rule of thumb is to take up to 3 stacks of preservation prior to nemesis, some clutch and some adrenaline rush

[west crag]

I see

[west crag]

noted

[young agate]

One stack of Trauma when it's available is helpful against nemesis and helps with other rooms, especially if you can build at least 1 stack of sadist and eyeless

[west crag]

appreciated guys

[young agate]

Versatility and gunslinger is a powerful combo but requires a lot of knowledge in timing swaps, I myself build surgical/obliterate/strained to lean on crit damage even when I take all blue cores

Wrath and envy have great talent pools for crit, sloth is great for versatile/gunslinger or a full skill build with oxidizer imo, gluttony isn't very fun and greed is hot garbage

[ocean orchid]

Agree. Trauma is clutch. Pretty much a must have to me if the talent is available

[rustic bough]

Nemesis POV: you're always squishy.

[young agate]

1 armor core = 1 more bullet you can soak when trying to DPS 🤣

[rustic bough]

Very rouge-lite

[jolly cave]

Isn't that just pink?

[rustic bough]

Yes

[stiff rain]

decent is a rouge-lite game mode with rouge agents

[jolly cave]

@hollow latch You're looking for #lfg-pc, GL Agent

[ashen bloom]

yeah, but running a blue build isn't so bad, specially when you can build up the bonus armor talents

[nimble sandal]

Adrenaline rush, Intimidate, Girlboss

[ocean orchid]

I don’t think it’s a super popular opinion but I also like some blue cores to buff the bonus armour talents up. Leadership too. If you have say Unhinged cooking too that supplements some missing red cores

[stiff rain]

we do take leadership and ad rush more and more as we go to loop 40

but before nemesis they stay at tier 1 because we only need them to proc intimidate

and if we do take blue cores only 1 in the team does that and they'd be on leadership duty for the rest of the team. at 100% armor though they stop taking blue cores because their leadership amount is capped to 200% bonus armor anyway

keep that in mind, each person's bonus armor amount is capped at 200% based on their own max armor

[ashen bloom]

Leadership at full stack is better imo, is 100% armor for 20s iirc.

[stiff rain]

why not both

you're never in a spot where you can only take one

[ocean orchid]

Some people don’t like blues at all because armour doesn’t scale as well as WD is all. I like a good mix

[rotund field]

Is there a write up or good video for getting far into descent? I barely make it to the nemesis SOMETIMES and feel like I'm missing a lot of enjoyment in the mode because of it

[ionic plover]

It may not be the case that you’re missing the enjoyment 🙂 might just be the activity itself!

I will never understand how people play this solo

[jolly cave]

I feel the exact same about Legendary's, but there are people who enjoy them.
It's all a matter of perspective.

[nimble sandal]

i like games like risk of rain or roguelikes in general so the gamemode always felt interesting to me

its a nice interplay between luck and skill, and a little bit of thinking

also feels real nice to have exotic talents on guns that 100% shouldnt have them

[young agate]

Same, I'm not a fan of the legendaries and I can't stand tidal basin legendary, with descent at least I can get some build variety in my time spent

[rustic bough]

it's all about the Co-op experience for me, sure I can solo Legendaries and Descent, but they're not enjoyable solo

[jolly cave]

It's not really a meta xp farm, but it's not bad.
@junior valve You're looking for #lfg-playstation, GL Agent

[real gale]

Loving regicide breathfree and sandman, I wish you could stack up the exotics though like the other talents

[twin geyser]

Always have been doing that

[ashen bloom]

Is it normal to start a descent run in a group and you end up on the other descent map? Like, the guy started the run and two members of the group, instead of spawning in the Potomac bunker, they ended up in the NSA labs.

[rocky bison]

Normal is overrated in descent

[rustic bough]

it's one of those rarer bugs

[young agate]

Zamn, did that ruin the run or where both sides able to finish the loop and come back together somehow 🤣

[stiff rain]

i know it ruins ours every time

[ashen bloom]

Only one map is active at a time, the other one just looks like somebody hid himself at Walmart until 4AM and the power is turned off.

[young agate]

Sloth up

[rustic bough]

let's goooooo

[red ledge]

#lfg-pc

[jolly cave]

@humble warren You're looking for #lfg-playstation, GL Agent

[gentle jungle]

I just got a level 40 mask from killing the first boss in the game

[red ledge]

Wrong channel, mate

[gentle jungle]

Oh the what channel should I post it in?

[red ledge]

#td2-general-chat

[gentle jungle]

K

[worthy juniper]

does overwatch stack?

[rustic bough]

With other players with Overwatch? No

[twin geyser]

Each team talent doesn't stack when picked by more than one player. Just keep it in mind

[ashen bloom]

For people who managed to reach and kill the nemesis in a group (4) without getting down, what was the strategy?

[stiff rain]

we go to the top left corner and pre-aim at the nearest spawn, do a c2c to proc leadership to pre-stack intimidate. then if 1 nemesis spawns where we pre-aim, we burst that one down super quickly, then we kill the other ones the normal way with grenades and c2c and stuff

[tribal hull]

Is there a lfg for descent?

[jolly cave]

@tribal hull #lfg-pc for you, or just whatever base platform channel.

[soft jay]

How do I put in a complaint about Descent?

[rocky bison]

Don't bother , you would just waste your time , Ubi is beyond our help

What's the current rotation?

[rustic bough]

Gluttony

[soft jay]

That's the point they need to get rid of the rotation

[rustic bough]

Nah. Without it it would be harder to set up the builds you want.

[twin geyser]

But there is a cheesy way as well 👀

[stiff rain]

my DMs are open.............. 🥹

[soft jay]

@rustic bough actually it's not. I played when before and after and before was immensely better. I had the option to build whatever I wanted the way wanted it. A lot of us feel the same way I do.

[dusk niche]

It really wouldn't

[nocturne hedge]

So is mine LOL

[stiff rain]

@twin geyser 👀

[twin geyser]

On my way

Delivered

[soft jay]

I would even take a compromise. Let us use our credits to pick any extra talent out of all the talents and add it to that talent pool.
That one talent makes a difference

I got over $60000 credits and I play with others that have over $200k credits. Let us spend them on something usefull.

[young agate]

Take the rotations out and make re-rolls cheaper and no cost escalation, problem solved

[twin geyser]

Or allow picking the rotations ourselves + create our own rotation for NSA credits (1000 per one talent)

[soft jay]

At least 500 per talent. Those credits would go quick

[fallen wind]

Anyone wants to be our fourth ?

cant seem to clear it at only 4 players

[soft jay]

They need to let us stack the talents past 10 too

[rustic bough]

Jeez you guys are giving terrible suggestions

It's as if Descent isn't already boring enough

remove rotations
Cheaper re-rolls, no cost escalation

You might enjoy spending the entire night rerolling for the talent you want, but I sure don't

Although this just gave me an idea: remove reroll costs entirely, but we earn a reroll token after every loop, and each reroll uses a token. A boss room gives an additional token, as well.

[tribal hull]

Ok, thank you

[worthy juniper]

that sounds just kinda worse than it is atm

[young agate]

Got a no-reroll chad over here 🤣

[jolly cave]

@tired nest This channel is just for discussing the mode, you're looking for #lfg-playstation. GL Agent

[fringe stirrup]

Can anyone tell me if the descent tables are completely random or there are a number of tables and it just keeps changing?

[rustic bough]

tables as in... rotations? Yes they are random. there are 5 rotations: Wrath, Envy, Greed, Sloth, Gluttony

[fringe stirrup]

wow, there are two more missing then, to complete the 7 deadly sins.
Thank you Penguin

[young agate]

Sloth back up

[rustic bough]

let's goooooo

[nocturne hedge]

any new blueprints?

[fringe stirrup]

Before I give official feedback, I need to ask about the descent project here

Did you see that there are 4 collectibles, please can you confirm if you are getting all 4 or just 1??

[nocturne hedge]

cant speak for the 4 we have now, but one or two weeks ago i saw 2 collectibles written as a reward but only got 1 when i did it

[twin geyser]

Just 1. Another "feature", not a bug

[fringe stirrup]

? feature

[mellow wharf]

Hi all. I am returning to Div 2 and trying to catch up, so I'm LFG to help me with Descent. I have only ran it once but it was a long time ago.

[pine siren]

please keep lfg requests to #lfg-pc / #lfg-playstation

[cinder briar]

I was going to post this comment as about the descent reward page showing you would get 4 comms out of defeating the Nemesis. However, when you do you only get one. I would like to report this to the developers.

[twin geyser]

Imagine them actually reading or listening to our feedback...

[celest abyss]

Ahh damm was thinking they were helping up.them as they take 1 year to complete 😕

[cinder briar]

@celest abyss Not if they keep adding more comms in the descent. It use to be on 75 comms we could collect from Descent, I believe.

@twin geyser Sad fact is this mode has been completely totally neglected by the developers.

[twin geyser]

They have abandoned lots of things, mate...

[jolly cave]

What are the suggestions, that aren't just "save points", and "no pools" ?

[rustic bough]

More talent rotations would be nice 😁

[celest abyss]

Yes it's a shame as there is a few bugs 🐛 in there what are a pain

[cinder briar]

@jolly cave Gold weapons, a save check point every 10 levels.

[jolly cave]

I like that one of those was very specifically that I said "apart from".

We have official info on save points, they physically are impossible to implement.

[ocean orchid]

I got one. Allow rerolls on the starting guns and skills so you don’t have to quit and restart if you don’t like the selection

[nocturne hedge]

Either stop adding comms, or make them easier to earn..90 is a bit overkill
Oh also, make them account-wide

[twin geyser]

• Lady Death Speed Boost for running between rooms
• Open the talent selection window as soon as the room is cleared, not forcing everyone to run to the terminal
• Immediately show the room difficulty BEFORE people pick talents
• Allow weapon upgrading from Grey to Gold like this:
  Grey - green - blue - purple - gold
• Add 2 missing rotations because there are 7 deadly sins, not 5
• Allow the ability to pick a rotation, because I don't want to reschedule our 40 loop run every weekend because of awful rotation
• Cheaper talent rerolling at first loops
• Allow weapon and skill rerolling
• Allow Exotic talent rerolling
  Should I continue?

[ocean orchid]

Love it

[frozen radish]

I would give an arm and a leg for these to be implemented

God knows that I have 500+ hours in Descent pre talent pool introduction, and about 5 after that

[twin geyser]

We still do seasonal loop 40 run (haven't missed a single one yet), however it's much more frustrating, because you can't arrange the run because you don't know what rotation will be on Saturday-Sunday

[ashen bloom]

Somebody hires this man frog.

[ocean orchid]

How long does that typically take btw?

[stiff rain]

his team runs especially fast, 3-4 hours

mine is a bit slower cuz i pick up players

[ocean orchid]

Wow. Pretty good. I’ve only tried Descent solo so far and 3hrs might get me to loop 15-ish lol

[stiff rain]

yeah having a team means almost every door is camped

things go by very fast when you have 4 door campers with intimidate

[ocean orchid]

Makes sense

Solo it’s like camp one door and hope you picked right. If not, scramble time

[stiff rain]

yeah

[ocean orchid]

I usually die when I get pinched from two sides

[twin geyser]

4:20 was our last run with one 10 mins break, but we got really lots of boss rooms (more than 15)

[ocean orchid]

Nice love the boss rooms

[twin geyser]

Me too - they save lots of time)

[ocean orchid]

Dumb question. What happens if someone dies in a group game? Can they get revived? Or do they get booted?

[twin geyser]

If someone dies before fight ends - they're auto-revived after the fight (even if they're completely dead). If you revive them mid fight - you spend a token, which you have to re-buy at supply stations in the rooms

Oh, forgot to mention - you spend a token only on a dead mate. If they're on their knees - the token isn't wasted

[ocean orchid]

Thank you for the explanation. Sounds like playing in a group is the way to go

[rocky bison]

Current rotation?

[ionic plover]

Damn Serj knows all the Descent tech

[twin geyser]

Everything I mentioned doesn't require colossal efforts and mostly is a pack of QoL features which will improve the experience (IMO)

[ionic plover]

Stop denying you're the 🐐.

Now carry me please loop 40 pls thanks

:^)

[twin geyser]

Part 2:

• Numbers on Descent suits must be the same order in which players pick rooms (right now it's messy, and the order can go like 1-4-3-2)
• allow us to block the unwanted talents from rotation. Not all, of course, but at least 5 across all categories of our choice (including exotics)
• yellow core must scale in the same way as red and blue core, because skills don't get additional damage after we reach tier 6
• more permanent upgrades for NSA tech
• more NSA credits for beating rogues (10 is bruh now)
• decrease the requirement for Nemesis Arm Patch from loop 8 to loop 7, because it's totally random and we've wasted more than 10 tries, trying to get there. It mustn't work in this way
• more Descent commendations (after fixing Summit Combat Master Merit commendation, of course)
• enemies mustn't shoot players through doors
• fix enemy spawns, so they aren't getting stuck behind the closed door, killing the run in 95% of cases, unless you have oxidizers
• remove the delay, when enemies are spawned but they're waiting behind the closed doors until other enemies are killed (really good example is a boss room)
• do not allow enemies to deploy their skills behind closed doors (enemy snipers especially)

[bold finch]

And fix armor kits

[twin geyser]

@jolly cave does everything I suggested fit in the "no checkpoints" and "no rotation" category?

[stiff rain]

wow

and he never asked me

[twin geyser]

@stiff rain is the guy you're looking for 🔥

[jolly cave]

Save points was covered by that, but everything else is fine, I assume.
I still assume that the reason for no Talent Selection is that it's a rogue-lite, picking a set of them defeats the purpose, but YMMV.

[twin geyser]

But decent amount of rogue-lites allow this, that's the catch)

[jolly cave]

They allow you to very fine-tune what upgrades you can get?

I'm guessing I've not played many of those.

[twin geyser]

Check the game called Dead Cells. If you're into this genre - you'll love it for sure

[jolly cave]

I tried that once, then my entire block lost power so I took it as a sign.

[rustic bough]

lmao

[twin geyser]

😂

[cinder briar]

My highest loop was 32. I just couldn't stand playing any longer. I lose motivation as soon as I get any higher.
This is why I say give us a checkpoint/save point even if it is only a one time save.

[jolly cave]

Save points are just not physically possible, it would require the entire mode being re-built "from the ground up". That is a direct quote from Yannick himself on the situation.
So by all means continue to wish for them, but they are not ever coming to div2's Descent Mode.

[twin geyser]

Don't play this mode solo

[fringe stirrup]

One moment, I'll make a unique text

[pine siren]

@fringe stirrup Is it repeatable though? Does the same character get 4 comms on every nemesis run, or even once per week?

[fringe stirrup]

I'll explain better

[pine siren]

I think any new characters at this point get 4 descent comms on their first clear, but subsequently will only get one

[fringe stirrup]

Yesterday I created a new character, and went straight to level 30, I started the DLC, etc. I ended up finding some things too, but I'll just talk about the descent. So, with the new character at level 30, I did this week's project that was giving 4 collectibles, I thought it wouldn't work, but it did, it did. Yes, it appeared again to do the project when you create a new character. But I didn't understand, but I didn't understand why it worked for him and not for the main character.

[fringe stirrup]

okay, I'll keep it and do next week's project and confirm that

[mossy moon]

at what level you have to kill the nemesis to get the badge?

[stiff rain]

loop 8

[mossy moon]

ty

[jolly cave]

@naive shore If you want to LFG for Descent, feel free to head on down to #lfg-pc, or your equivalent platform.

[cinder briar]

@pine siren So are you saying old characters like the first one you start off with is getting the shave on reward comms for Descent?

Because all I ever get is one comm every time I defeat the nemesis. My first character is far behind on descent comms.

@pine siren So shouldn't all characters across the board be getting the same amount of comms as the rest.

[pine siren]

@cinder briar I'm just saying this ^

[cinder briar]

@pine siren I really hope the developers address this comm reward. 1 comm every week out of 90 to get is too long of a wait time.

[mossy moon]

sorry to ask why i did not get nemesis badge defeated it end of loop 7 -> Nemesis but no badge for me

[stiff rain]

well it's not loop 8

has to be on loop 8

[ocean orchid]

Because you need to get lucky with the rooms so you beat Nemesis literally on loop 8. Kinda a pain in the butt

[teal fiber]

is there a patch for descent in 40 loop?

This season ?

[stiff rain]

yes

[twin geyser]

Yes, like every season

[vale pike]

Hi does anyone have any tips for me? My friend and I have completed all the hardest rooms for every loop and defeated nemesis, however we aren't getting awarded a patch for it. I'm not sure what this particular patch is called but has anyone else done this?

[red ledge]

If you're talking about the Nemesis patch, you need to be at loop 8 before defeating the Nemesis. And that requires RNG being on your side.

[vale pike]

Okay. Thank you.

[worthy juniper]

I forget whats the max med rooms you can take for loop 8+ nemesis

[young agate]

7 I think, and that's getting yourself into loop 8, once you are into loop 8 you can take fluff rooms

[twin geyser]

7 is max amount allowed.
Hard rooms give us 3 x 4 = 12% (ideal loop)
Usually you'll have 3 hard and 1 medium rooms - 9 + 5 = 14%
14 × 7 = 98% at the end of loop 7 and you start loop 8

Boss rooms also give you 3% (identical to Hard rooms)

But sometimes you'll get multiple medium rooms one after another and that's it

[red ledge]

Does Composure stack with Overwatch?

[twin geyser]

Yes

[ashen bloom]

Okay idk if that works in a group but if you stay out of the nemesis fov for like 30s, it's gonna remove agro from you and it's gonna start looking for you, it's a good solo strategy to ambush it.

[red ledge]

I think Gluttony is my least favorite rotation of the 5. Died 2 times and was almost on the edge when I was fighting the Nemesis earlier today. Good thing I managed to defeat it despite having m700 model and m249b

[ashen bloom]

What to expect from a critic/HSD and skill repair and damage rotation

[deep ether]

The synergy between the talents is bad in Gluttony. Since we don’t have Chatter, Steady Handed or Lucky Shot, you basically have to use Salvage to avoid reloading too often & ammo management. And Salvage conflicts with your main red talents, Optimist, you won’t get the full benefit when you aren’t getting low on the magazine. If you can run a shotgun as a primary, you could manage it I suppose. The only thing Gluttony really has going for it are that the exotics are pretty good (and Concussion). Gluttony & Sloth have less yellow talents than other pools, which I don’t understand, they could be made a bit better if they’d add a couple of the good ones.

[young agate]

Gluttony is definitely the worst. Doesn't even have a quality exotic talent that piques my interest

[stoic wedge]

Hi everyone needs help to go through one surgery in 12 minutes, who can help?

[pale lichen]

what?

[stoic wedge]

Did I write to the wrong place?

Looking for a Partner for Operations

[pale lichen]

your translator be bad xD

but i get the gist of it

you want a player to play descent with?

[stoic wedge]

I need a partner in The Division 2. To pass the mission for a while

[mighty tartan]

At this point im willing to buy the comms in the nsa shop if they still don't want to drop multiple per week

[young agate]

Tonight I got all the way to loop 7 room 3 before being forced into an 8th medium room

[twin geyser]

Welcome to the club

[young agate]

Yep

I went on a late 3-loop run with 1 medium that put me at 7, the whole time knowing it was gonna screw me at some point

[deep ether]

lol. Gluttony has great exotics. Agonizing Bite, Adaptive Instincts & BLB put out a ton of damage. The red talents & yellow talents have little to no synergy, that’s the issue with Gluttony.

[smoky terrace]

What's even the point of the talent rotation? It's basically impossible to have freedom with builds because you're limited to a select few talents every 3 days, not to mention no one asked for this update

[ocean orchid]

Make you play differently I guess

[worthy juniper]

So you dont get to use the same build every single time you run it. "Spice of life"

[twin geyser]

They'd better allow us to pick rotations at our preference. Constant rescheduling because of bad rotation doesn't appeal at all

[smoky terrace]

But what was the point of it? If people use the same build then they use the same build

Only thing I agree with is making bloodsucker an exotic because otherwise it'd be too OP

[deep ether]

Anybody reach 40 with Sloth? It’s the only talent pool I haven’t managed to do it with. If anyone has, I’d be interested to see talents/weapon choices, etc that work best with this pool. I assume Versatile since it’s the only amplified damage source we have but beyond that, I’m falling short on damage output.

[rustic bough]

Versatile + Intimidate + Gunslinger + Busy Little Bee is the minimum of red talents that you need
Leadership / Adrenaline Rush to proc bonus armor

Sloth is one of the strongest talents out there, but the major downside is that you will need to constantly swap weapons to get giga damage bonus

[deep ether]

Yeah that combo of 4 is definitely the best. In order to get the most out of that, Shotgun & SMG appear to be the best (100% amplified at tier 10 Versatile compared to 50% for ARs & LMG). Is that the route you go, Shotgun & SMG and play closer range?

[rustic bough]

that's correct.

[twin geyser]

Always has been

[mighty tartan]

Does the Nemesis use Hunter AI or Rogue Agent?

[dusk niche]

Hunter, if it gets decoy it's a hunter decoy

[young agate]

And the skill hacking

[ashen bloom]

It's almost the same except for the emps and hacking tools.

[deep ether]

What are you referring to?

[twin geyser]

SMG and Shotgun for Descent. Always the best choice for group play

[deep ether]

I see. I only really play solo but yeah SMG/Shotgun are still usually best options, Wrath is the only one where I will run LMG/SMG

[twin geyser]

especially with those red talents (gunslinger and Versatile)

[deep ether]

Yeah it makes the most sense, you have that 100% amp damage from Versatile, make the most of it by using shotgun & SMG.

[stiff rain]

intimidate is also a must-run. due to it being exponential (each stack is multiplicative to itself) at tier 10 it almost quadruples your damage

[deep ether]

I didn’t know it worked that way but I noticed damage output soared once Intimidate was added - it was always pretty clear it wasn’t like other “weapon damage” talents. Your explanation makes a lot of sense in that regard.

For Sloth, which other 2 reds do you generally fill out with beyond Intimidate, Versatile, Gunslinger, and I assume Allegro. I don’t usually use Surgical unless Obliterate is in the pool. Is that a mistake or do you have two better options?

[stiff rain]

yeah, it's not actually weapon damage 😂

since the start it has been an amp. the new tooltip did not help its case

surgical and critical should work just fine, but my preference is running vigilance and precise if available

allegro is a must-pick for me because it lets me fit all my damage within the buff uptime that Sloth offers via gunslinger+versatile

[deep ether]

All right, sounds good. I’m not a fan of composure & overwatch, especially the latter. Since I roll solo, I’ll test surgical & critical. Vigilance ends up with less uptime since I’m pulling all aggro

[stiff rain]

as long as at the start you camp the door and kill it fast, vigilance will have done its job, and then you take cover and pick off ads from other doors

[deep ether]

I’ll try both, see what works for me. I just want to hit 40 with this last talent pool, there’s more enough damage talents to get there. I hit 40 with Gluttony (which is like the wish dot com version of Greed), and Sloth has better Reds

[frozen harness]

It's unfortunate that we'll never get some sort of checkpoint system for Descent. Can be such a long grind in a single session lol.

[deep ether]

I think the developers have concerns about it being abused if implemented but there’s various ways to keep your session from timing out if you need a break/etc. Think I read someone had a macro setup to have his character keep shooting his sidearm in the hallway while he was at work

[frozen harness]

Well, yea. You can obviously skirt around being kicked, but then you also risk random disconnects, possible power outages (storms or otherwise), etc. It really is just a terrible system in general and needs to be reworked to respect people's time more.

[deep ether]

I don’t see anything that can really be done. A checkpoint system like Summit isn’t viable - if you die in Decent, that run should be permanently done, you shouldn’t be able to just get dropped back down to say loop 20 and keep going after being wiped. And of course you’ll have people pulling the plug to force a Delta if they’re about to wipe (although that isn’t going to work post loop 30, you’ll be dead with little to no warning if you messed up.

I know what you’re trying to say but another fact is just that long Descent runs probably isn’t content that people who have life obligations that prevent them from playing 6+ hours straight are going to be able to do anyways so I don’t really even see how any sort of checkpoint system would help “respect people’s time”.

[frozen harness]

Perhaps I wasn't entirely clear. The checkpoints should be after you finish an entire loop. Give the option to save and leave before starting the next loop. If you die, yea, you're done. I would say it would also have to be like if you disconnect or something in the middle of a loop, you're done as well unless it loads you right back into the same exact snapshotted situation as before the disconnect. Anything to make it at least a little more accessible to players in general. Spitballing here, but there's definitely better designs than how it is now lol.

[rustic bough]

C'est la vie

I made a lengthy post on, from my own perspective, why checkpoints are largely impractical. Besides, nowhere do we see such systems in place out in the open world, anyway, besides the Summit. Disconnect from Countdown? You're done. Relog in the middle of a mission? You start from the beginning.

I find it weird for a game to have a cushioning system to imburse players for their misfortunes which the game may or may not be responsible for (except for the random Delta's, which is a serious threat), like power outage, I mean, come on, that's life.

[young agate]

I think the slow pace of progression in descent makes a unique case for checkpoints

[deep ether]

Well honestly, if checkpoints were implemented & I was camping too close to a spawn door in the first room of a new loop & “No more presidents!” gets shouted from the door, I’d be very tempted to rip my router out of the wall

[stiff rain]

"I'm coming!"

[dusk niche]

The whole "checkpoint in descent" thing is not going to happen just as it didn't happen with resistance in division 1. It's how they design the mode
As players only way to tell them we don't like it is not playing it/not buying premium credits but they're not going to rework the entire thing anyways
Descent once they're done with comms/arm patches will go the route of Kenly College for the majority of players that still play it. It was a free update anyways

[twin geyser]

That's why they keep adding comms in Descent - otherwise it'd be dead long time ago.
One run per season for armpatch is fine, but every week's comms slog is pure crap

[ashen bloom]

I think the Arabic cat might agree with that

[twin geyser]

Speaking of power outages - yeap, nothing to do here, but Delta plague is the one which creates all of these endless topics with reconnect and checkpoint system. Like, why can't I hop back into Countdown? Because.....

[deep ether]

I had to end my Sloth run early at 25 (Hyena tank got stuck behind spawn door, couldn’t do anything) but using the talents & weapon combos suggested yesterday - the damage output is absolutely insane after versatile & intimidate are stacked a few times. I was never downed (had to wait until 21 to even get a revive hive as an option). Ran with a PP-19 & SASG-12. One tapped a Rogue at 16. I think it’s safe to say Sloth definitely has the most damage output potential. Appreciate the advice, I’ll try again next time it’s in rotation and see if I can get to 40.

[young agate]

Another slothbro I see

[dense hound]

well now you make me less confident in how I was doing :(
(highest loop of 5)

[deep ether]

Don’t beat yourself up, Descent is quite tough, RNG plays a factor more than other content (I.e, I couldn’t even get a revive hive until loop 21 on my latest run). Learning which rooms are most ideal, etc. There’s going to be a lot of trial and error. The guys here have good advice and helpful suggestions.

[stiff rain]

we just play this game too much

[twin geyser]

For real 💀

[dense hound]

I feel like the Gluttony Talent pool is the devs saying "eh screw it, we got all these left over throw em in and pray it works."

[deep ether]

Yeah there’s not much synergy among the talents but the exotics are good (Agonizing Bite, Adaptive & BLB). Shotgun is a must have because of Optimist & Opportunistic. It wasn’t as bad as I expected, you can definitely put out a lot of damage, but I’d still have to rank it as the worst talent pool.

[stiff rain]

it took me a LOT of convincing to tell
people sloth is actually good

[deep ether]

Sloth spoiled me because I feel like I’m shooting marshmallows with Gluttony now.

[rustic bough]

lmao

welcome to the club

[narrow swan]

LFG Deep Descent Dive

[rustic bough]

Agents can't even swim, let alone dive

[wraith mountain]

You don't need to know how to swim to dive.

[ashen bloom]

Yeah but you can't swim if the ocean is just a flat texture that leads you to the limbo

[twin geyser]

Are we at 80/90 now? Lost the counter again 💀

[red ledge]

Yes. This Tuesday is 81

[rose kestrel]

Does descent have difficulty options like open world? I just need 1 full clearing for a modifier. I don’t need to feel pain lol. So easy mode?

[stiff rain]

you just need to clear 1 loop. there is no difficulty option, it just gets more difficult the higher you go but since you only need 1 loop it doesn't matter

[rose kestrel]

So what is 1 loop anyways? A set amount of floors like Summit?

I’ve never done descent.

[stiff rain]

you can think of it as 1 floor like in summit

[rustic bough]

Instead of 2 rooms per floor, it's 5 rooms per loop

[rose kestrel]

Oh so shits gonna be easy. Sweet. Thanks for the help lads

[red ledge]

Just remember to not be careless or find a good position to huddle in. You're quite squishy in Descent

[hexed oxide]

hey guys what's the sacral sense of running all hard rooms instead going by color?

[rustic bough]

Colour determines the talents available while hard rooms delays your encounter with the Nemesis

[hexed oxide]

yeah i know that, thx for reminding. i asked what's the idea (i might not get it) behind going all rooms hard instead going by color, why every random tends to run only hard rooms?

[rustic bough]

Well
a) to get to loop 8 before Nemesis for the patch
b) hard rooms will better prepare you or your team for Nemesis, even if you don't have many red talents, the weapon damage bonus at the end of each loop helps. Higher loop = better weapons, skills, talents

[hexed oxide]

a)true, forgot about that. b) questionable. because, you know, randoms and theirs talent choices. much more chances to die becaue of F'ed scaling in 4 man team before nemesis

[rustic bough]

i guess the team's resolve to survive will be tested ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But that's also the point of high risk, high reward

[hexed oxide]

eeeeeh. nah imho, randomness of diff and talent choices. most likely you will end up with lots of one stack useless talents on nemesis and reward is just extended run.

[candid mirage]

Need 1

[red ledge]

You're better off asking in LFG. Failing that, you could try asking in the community Discord and GCRock discord

[shy flare]

Rogues in descent are nasty af in there

[young agate]

Yea with the right skills they can be

[ashen bloom]

It would be cool if there was a patch that you could get if you manage to kill the nemesis in less than 30 minutes.

[young agate]

Yea that would be legit

[restive haven]

I’ve never even killed the nemesis, solo que ain’t the move

[cyan totem]

Honestly nemesis solo is way quicker if you do it right.

[restive haven]

Guess I’m doing it wrong nothing but hurt feelings in solo over here 😂

[cyan totem]

When you have enough damage you can burst them down. Just have to make sure you’re getting enough damage

[young agate]

As soon as you can move in the arena, run immediately to the left all the way across the room, up a couple small flights of stairs and set up shop, you will have a defensive elevated position to work from, the nemesis will rarely come up there with you and when it does you can hide on the other side of a cover object that is up there. Play it smart, take advantage of status effects ammo available at the shop (and trauma if it's in the talent pool)

[restive haven]

Thank you I shall try!!

[twin geyser]

Don't want to brag, but it's always our time (24-27 mins, solo / duo) if we manage to get to Nemesis after loop 4

[sweet light]

Anyone playing descent I need a nemesis kill for journey 7?

[open gate]

which is the rotation now?

[viscid leaf]

Gluttony

[ashen bloom]

If this is about the clan, you're in the wrong channel

[slender thorn]

Sorry

[delicate idol]

whats the rotation now?

[young agate]

Envy for the next 2 days

[twin geyser]

22:42 - Nemesis kill, duo run

[stiff rain]

so pro

[rustic bough]

Better flex on the countdown addicts

[rotund mountain]

The rotation is Greed

[thick lagoon]

Am I correct in saying that you can buy the blueprints (reconstructed caches) at the shop outside of descent with descent money? ( i'm new to descent )

[stiff rain]

yes

[thick lagoon]

Awesome, thank you.

[red ledge]

They cost 297 NSA Tech each (The currency you get from HVT rooms/Completing loops), so expect to grind a lot of them

[shy flare]

Does anymone have a sheet with the drop rate of chance to have an exo talent in arena rooms after the first one?

[rustic bough]

Loop 2-3: 5%
Loop 4-6: 25%
Loop 7-9: 35%
Loop 10 and beyond: 40%

[shy flare]

Oh thx 😁

[hoary minnow]

Now that explains why and how i got two exotic talents w/o reaching nemesis yet. 1,4k shd lvl and it still seem I don't know so much about this game xd

A question to people who play decent.

What would you prefer? Bullet hell or Ic?

[ashen bloom]

What is lc?

[hoary minnow]

Instant Chatter

[ashen bloom]

IMO I prefer bullet hell and increase the rof with allegro.

Because sometimes I'm using an assault rifle and when I reload near enemies in a small room, end up having like 1600 rpm and miss half of the magazine

[hoary minnow]

that's an interesting opinion

in my opinion, Instant Chatter pairs with everything (except sniper rifles and assault rifles)

with lmg, you just become a minigunner who has infinite ammo (if you have constant resource of kills and good damage)

[smoky terrace]

Combine it with extra and you basically got infinite ammo

[ashen bloom]

Isn't that the point of bullet hell? And btw IC doesn't give ammo, it just takes ammo from your reserve and puts it on your magazine. I get it that you don't need to reload when you kill, but BH already does that by default

[pine siren]

no, IC gives you ammo, doesn't pull from your existing pool (unless they changed that recently)

[stiff rain]

that's correct

[jolly cave]

@red wedge This channel is just for discussing the mode, to LFG for it you'll have to head down to your platform channel, in your case #lfg-pc
GL Agent

[hoary minnow]

Actually, no.. It actually gives you ammo. It doesn't take it from reserve.

Bullet Hell feels more punishing than IC

You have to be 100% accurate in order to NOT waste any ammo

[stiff rain]

i forgot if bullet hell refunds you ammo, but if it does, it refunds one mag's worth, and if it requires 100 shots landed but your mag is smaller than that then it's basically ammo negative

i forgot bullet hell description in descent

[hoary minnow]

Bullet Hell gives a mag that literally takes all reserve ammo into one

that's not negative

Or i misunderstood something?

Feel like i did lol

[stiff rain]

no, bullet hell doesn't take from your reserve when it procs the refund

but the refund scales with your mag

the number of shots stays fixed at 100 (iirc)

i'm going off my memory because i'm not in game to read the description but if i'm remembering correct that's why it feels like bullet hell doesn't refund you without using reserve (it does, but the ammo refunded is less than the ammo you spent)

[hoary minnow]

Ah

Ye, that's why i was thinking i was wrong lol

[stiff rain]

i do know how the actual bullet king functions though, it refunds you 100 bullets for free without using reserve if you hit 100 stacks

but for descent i guess they tied the bullet refund to the mag size instead of being fixed at 100 (due to bullet king having mag size 100)

take all this with a grain of salt though

[hoary minnow]

Sure

Is it me or shield is very rare?

[rustic bough]

probably for the better

[grim creek]

it's rare

But honestly not worth to use it

the only way to up his health is to take skill tier

the shield doesn't profit from the blue "core" you take at the end of each loop

[hoary minnow]

Headshot pistol builds with shields work great.

With yellow cores.

[grim creek]

what's your highest loop ?

[hoary minnow]

Solo

Group 12

[grim creek]

you will feel the lack of power at loop 20 or higher

[hoary minnow]

Group feels way more harder, enemies are so tanky at loop 9

[grim creek]

reached around that level on solo

[hoary minnow]

(since their hp scales with number of players)

[hoary minnow]

I mean if you grab all the talents that increase your headshot damage, that might be not true

Although, can't truly confirm it, since i never was at this loop

[grim creek]

around loop 15-16, robot will start to drop

you won't profit from your headshot damage on them

10% overall damage is really strong

[stiff rain]

there's only a few that increase your headshot damage

the sooner you start out with a meta build the easier it gets

[grim creek]

add critical chance + critical damage

[stiff rain]

i'm not recommending this to every person but even without headshot damage you'll do fine on dogs

even at loop 40

everything else about your build has to be best though

you don't need crit that much, and i don't advise it since you need to take double the investment to be on par with headshot since you need to level 2+ talents instead of 1, but this is only true for greed, wrath and sloth

for envy and gluttony (not that gluttony is good) you're better off with crit

[stiff rain]

you're not the only one

[rustic bough]

Friendship destroyer

[hoary minnow]

I'm not sure if crit is good though in descent

[stiff rain]

it's good, but it's slower to invest in than hsd

in wrath and envy though, since obliterate exists you can pretty much just prioritize surgical

[hoary minnow]

Btw, how would you rate this build for descent?
Everything goes into weapon damage, except for a few skill tiers if you got a shield

Glass canon, regulus talant

Doctor Home

For offensive everything goes into headshot dmg, possibly crit if there's some slots left for it

For defensive ones, we have efficient, preservation to balance the incoming damage

And everything else is for your choice

[rustic bough]

7/10

assuming this is for Greed rotation. why not just add Breathe Free altogether?
Defensive talents: Leadership is good one.
Risky playstyle. if you don't clear the first door with a headshot, you're dead.

[worthy snow]

In the weekly project, defeating the nemesis should yield 4 collectible items, but only one dropped. This has happened again. Is it broken?

[pine siren]

It only seems to happen the first time you do it on that character, after that it's just one a week

[viscid leaf]

On one of my characters I missed a week for comms. The next week it gave me the new one and the one I missed last week. I think it only applies to the ones from the current season.

[ashen bloom]

Ok the nemesis can have two variants of the same skill at the same time, this should be illegal

[red ledge]

Not always. If you have Pulse or Decoy, the Nemesis can't replicate it

[ashen bloom]

I had a foam launcher and the decoy, I just never expected it to have the 2 variants of the same skill, I didn't have enough DPS and every time it was about to lose his armor, it always used a reinforcer chem launcher. (it had the two chem launchers).

I was like: okay he's going to use a restorer Hive and GG.
But no, to my surprise he was dropping healing clouds again and again.

[red ledge]

The key is to use Foam against him, so he doesn't heal for a short moment. When that happens, DPS the hell out of him

[ashen bloom]

I didn't have enough DPS because this rotation kinda sucks sometimes, Come on Arabic cat, isn't my first time playing descent

[red ledge]

Oh, it's you. I thought you were someone else xD\

[young agate]

Utilize your grenades to get nemesis off it's perch too, you only got 6 but any edge you can get can make a difference

[smoky terrace]

Anyone know a good way to deal with rogue agents?

[fossil gulch]

Riot foam super 90

And don't play scared rush em if you give them time to throw skills it's too late

[smoky terrace]

If you have bullet hell would the M870 express be a better option?

Cause of more damage

[grim creek]

You have other option depending your fav range but that will be mainly CC (pick whatever you like between burn, blind, foam, electricity) + huge burst damage

[fossil gulch]

Not in my opinion the loss of rate of fire on m870 is too big and with salvage and lucky shot you basically have bullet hell if you have enough luck

[smoky terrace]

Ay ty for the tip. Flawlessly did the rogue agent rooms with the SASG (bad luck with the gun selections)

[fossil gulch]

SASG is second best shotgun against rogues

[smoky terrace]

It was green unfortunately

Also had to end my loop 28 run cus someone was glitched

[fossil gulch]

That's messed up did 3 runs today first time game crashed at loop 15 2nd time at 27 and 3rd time it crashed on 42 this game won't let me beat my highest loop

[smoky terrace]

Whats your highest

[unique robin]

I’m so bad at this lol…Og Survival I love, conquered and still play but this Descent jus don’t work for me…And I need all the extra blueprint too…

[ocean orchid]

Keep playing just need to get used to it. I would buy (most of) the permanent buffs from nsa vendor before you get into caches though as they make the mode easier. AOK, CC, Extra $, etc

[fossil gulch]

86

[smoky terrace]

Group or solo?

[fossil gulch]

Group. Solo high is 37

[smoky terrace]

Nice

[unique robin]

Thanks for the tip…do the ones you buy roll over the next season when talents switch???

[ocean orchid]

the store buffs are permanent 😎

[smoky terrace]

@fossil gulch Whats your go to build for each talent rotation?

[jolly cave]

@smoky terrace @restive haven This channel is just for discussing the mode, to LFG in the future, head on down to #lfg-playstation

[fossil gulch]

I didn't memorize all of the pools I used to have a spreadsheet of every room and talent pool rotation but I don't play descent as much anymore so I don't know were I left it.

[cedar wind]

Nemesis just one-shot me at full armor (3 armor cores). I don't think that has ever happened before wtf

Just popped up from cover for a split second to shoot and he aimbotted me instantly

[stiff rain]

that's why armor is pretty worthless against nemesis

cuz he does that

[young agate]

What was he using against you? Rifle? Marksman rifle?

Because if you put a marksman rifle it it's hands then yea, 8 blue cores might save you

I've generally found that 6 blue core can only eat 3 assault rifle/SMG rounds at effective range

[cedar wind]

I had a rifle and ar

Game refused to give me lmg 😡

[twin geyser]

I don't get the point of taking armor instead actual damage for Nemesis fight. You can't tank him at all

[grim creek]

I never take weapon with high base damages against Némésis

Because he aimbot you

[ashen bloom]

At this point armor in descent is only useful if you have armor share talent like leadership and vanguard.

[young agate]

It's not so much about trying to tank it, more about being able to survive if you get greedy and don't get into cover quick enough

[pine siren]

That's what one shot protection is for

[rustic bough]

at a high enough loop, getting sniped actually bypasses OSP

[pine siren]

huh, I wouldn't have thought that was possible

[viscid leaf]

A lot of things in open world do not work the same as Descent, like medkits.

[ashen bloom]

By the way, it's not one shot protection, it's 1 HP protection.

[jolly cave]

@humble sail This channel is just for discussing the mode, you're looking for #lfg-playstation. GL Agent

[smoky terrace]

A bit of extra protection. If you have the right build you can still shred the nemesis even if you take defensive after every arena

[grim creek]

It's all about being able to burst him

I'm taking skill tier personnaly

"useless" later but scale strongly for the first 6 loops

[smoky terrace]

Skill tier doesnt do much past tier 2 honestly. You're better off going with weapon damage or armor depends on your playstyle

[grim creek]

help with cooldown reduction

can be nice for some skill

and also time in place

[smoky terrace]

True

[grim creek]

Decoy for exemple

doesn't do any damage but does help noneless

[smoky terrace]

Imo you're better off sticking with riot foam + revive hive. I personally find decoy isnt as consistent as riot foam

[grim creek]

and any chem launcher profit a lot from it

[grim creek]

I'm taking what's the loop give me xD

[smoky terrace]

Fair enough lol

[grim creek]

you don't always get foam + revive

sticky bomb work well too

[smoky terrace]

No, you gotta work with what you got

[grim creek]

doesn pretty decent damage and the CD from skill tier allows you to use it twice in a fight

[smoky terrace]

Fair enough. Tbh its useless for me cause i'm more guns than skills

[grim creek]

and have it ready by the time you run to the next room

[smoky terrace]

Skill tier might work well with a revive hive

[grim creek]

does wonder

you only need 1 charge to make it work

[smoky terrace]

Idk what extra revive hive charges do

[grim creek]

reducing from 180s to 90sec or something

[grim creek]

in group, you can revive teammate and pick up against

[smoky terrace]

90 secs is crazy

[smoky terrace]

Really?

[grim creek]

or revive multiple teammate

[smoky terrace]

Awesome

Ill consider it when i run with a group

[grim creek]

let me check for the cooldown on revive

[smoky terrace]

I usually play solo cause i like squishier enemies

[grim creek]

and also revive give more healing with skill tier

+150.0% Skill Haste

https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Hive

so yeah 50% time reduction

Huuum

only with Overcharge

[rustic bough]

nope, not in Descent. skill tier only adds charges

[smoky terrace]

Yeah i was wondering that

[grim creek]

really

I feel like it also reduce the time

I'm not having it often and I never plan to use it normally

(and when that happen, I have other things to do like escape or kill opponent/drone/car)

[clear scaffold]

Anyone else here kill Nemesis and the game just doesn't register that it's dead

[stark moon]

Is this in relation to the project or the nemesis patch?

[stark moon]

If it's not registering for the weekly project then it's a bug. If you're looking for the patch you need to get to loop 8 IICRC before defeating them.

[clear scaffold]

Nah, normally you beat nemesis then it pops screen nemesis defeated go back to DC or continue run right? Well we killed all 4 nemesis and we were just running around the room cause we couldn't go any further

I'd send the clip I took but I can't in the discord server

[rustic bough]

it's a very old bug that I've not heard of for a long time

[stark moon]

It wouldn't surprise me that it's happened because I had 2 similar issues where a friend didn't get pulled into the nemesis room and even after he left the group it was telling us to group up. The mode is a waste of time and I say that as someone who has achieved 40 a dozen or so times.

[clear scaffold]

I knew me getting delta'd 5 times was a sign that the run was not meant to be lol

[stark moon]

The mode was flawed frm the moment they decided to build it without checkpoints or a way to reconnect

[clear scaffold]

For real

Also, I don't know how

But 1 of them had a decoy

[stark moon]

The abyss game mode on the China version is actually far more appealing. You should check out gameplay for it on YouTube. It's their take on descent with more interesting map design and tasks

[clear scaffold]

I want their dark zone mode

[stark moon]

They can copy your skills, but if no one had one then you can add it to the list of things that went wrong

[clear scaffold]

From my knowledge they can't copy decoy?

[stark moon]

I thought they could

There's probably a list somewhere of which ones they copy but I believe it's more or less what ever rogues carry in missions/open world.

[viscid leaf]

They can copy decoy but it is rare for them to do so. They cannot copy repair trap, any type of pulse, booster hive, reviver hive, demolisher firefly, burster firefly, cluster seeker mine, and any type of shield. In my experience they usually replace some of these skills with something similar for themselves such as a restorer hive if you have a reviver one or a defender drone if you have a shield.

I can't remember but I don't think Nemesis can replace any non-copy skill with a specialization one such as artillery turret or mender seeker mine. I know the rogues can have them but I don't remember if the Nemesis ever used them.

[red ledge]

One would argue that the very existence of a rogue-lite mode in a looter shooter is fundamentally flawed

[thick lagoon]

Is it worth buying all the upgrades?

[dusk niche]

Yes if you enjoy playing descent, no if you're just there for blueprints/comms/vindicator

[thick lagoon]

Thanks

[velvet swallow]

I forgot about the blueprints

[ocean orchid]

Personally I would at least some of the buffs before farming for blueprints. It’ll make that easier

AOK, CC, the extra credit one for sure

[summer raptor]

is the extra credit one just for the internal credits use or the NSA points as well?

[dusk niche]

Internal, the ones you get from all rooms

[summer raptor]

ok thanks

that one does not seem worth it if you are just there for blueprints given the cost - if you just farm the nemesis over and over again - thought I would need to look at the costs again