td2-descent

[dusk niche]

It dropped for a while from the recon caches but I think it's been patched out. Whoever got it got to keep the blueprint, but not obtainable anymore

[rustic bough]

salute the flag pole

[nocturne hedge]

It used to but was patched out

[tribal spear]

I do. Doesn't work. Nothing works.

[tribal spear]

Thanks

[red ledge]

Is it possible to able to farm NSA tech or is it one of those things where you have to go many loops?

[manic dawn]

The higher the loop the higher the rewards for NSA. You get most from clearing boss rooms but even on higher loops they depend on rng.

[marsh pasture]

new to descent.. is there any guides to clearing it solo in the current rotation?

[timid mauve]

wait for other rotations

[marsh pasture]

is the current one not good?

[timid mauve]

🦥 for chilling, wraith/ envy would be the best, greed for speed run

[shadow snow]

whats teh fastest way to grind nsa credits if i just want the gun. i tried following my friends advice and i only got like 30 credits in an hour up to loop 4 and this seems insanely grindy

[vague yoke]

Better just do nemesis and go high loops last descent run I did loop 19 got like 580 credits we had a couple bosses aswell.

[balmy finch]

Can you farm the comms yet or no

[manic dawn]

No. Still one a week

[balmy finch]

Ah ok

[high tree]

Favorite skill combo after you've beaten the nemesis?

[steady sparrow]

During the current talent rotation (skill build emphasis), I like the classic Turret/Drone combo or sub one for a reviver hive if Im having bad luck with survivability. Having the right talents, the turret can clear a door by itself while the drone will go where it needs to

Normally I like to use the reviver with a defender/fixer drone (fixer if there are talents to buff repair skills) bc the drones don’t require any attention after pressing the skill button so you can focus on dps

[rustic bough]

Reviver hive and foam launcher/shock traps. Depending on how far I want to go. Shock traps for long runs

[high tree]

Cool

I kinda run the same ones

[twin geyser]

Considering that armor is useless in descent at any % if you aim at loop 40 = reviver + foam

[rapid saddle]

Are all the weapon blueprints as season rewards still obtainable?

[manic dawn]

wdym exactly?

[red ledge]

I think he's asking about high-end blueprints from previous seasons, if I understand correctly.

[desert nest]

is anyone noticing that armor kits arent working in descent? i dont see it on the known issues board

[stiff rain]

it's always been

[velvet swallow]

details?

[stiff rain]

armor kits sometimes just don't heal you

[velvet swallow]

I must admit I have not noticed, then Again I often forget I have armour kits so 😛 that's on me

[atomic wigeon]

yes, happens regularly. It often happens twice in a row on longer runs and I've even had it happen 3 times in a row, not fun especially with rogues. It doesn't work but still disappears from your inventory, as if it did. Maybe devs could add a second category of armor kit to the vendor list? an expensive one that can be relied on to work.

ps, I thought the idea of rotating talent pools was to change it to a different talent pool every 3 days. We've now had 'Sloth', which is a complete grind when it comes to longer runs, 3 times in the last 5 'rotations'. Is that meant to be funny or something?

[timid mauve]

it's just little bit of different expectation between dev and us, we think all pools share equally, actual is 🦥A🦥B🦥C🦥D🦥

[rustic bough]

Yeah I bet the Devs are having a MASSIVE laugh at putting Sloth every alternate rotation

[stiff rain]

they still haven't fixed cover bug and i hate it

it affects everywhere in the game

[rustic bough]

Often the bugs that first appeared in Descent eventually end up in the open world. Cover bug in Descent has always been present since Descent was released. Black screen from flashbang also existed in Descent before it made its way to the live game.
In the future, expect medkits to malfunction and desync issues in the open world too 😂

I've had the desync issue happened to me once already while doing a Legendary mission

[humble halo]

Descent is bug test

[rustic bough]

Desync issue in Descent: #1216152509262074020 message

[atomic wigeon]

And another problem in descent which I'm seeing more and more often, delayed door openings.

An important part of descent, especially later on in a run, is individual players being able to hold individual doors and eliminate enemies as quickly as possible, so they don't swarm and flank the group. You can often tell if there are enemies behind the door because there will be a line of audio or, if you're running agonizing bite, there's an on screen indicator.

Sometimes these doors will not open until several seconds after other doors have opened, all the time you're there aiming at the door while enemies are flooding out of other doors. Not only that, but as soon as you turn away from that door it will open, which means you get flanked, an even bigger problem in rogue rooms.

This stuff kills runs, it killed us on loop 30+ last night.

[stiff rain]

agree

it's a problem with npc spawns in general

which there are a lot of

[silver junco]

holy shit sloth is definitely one of the talent pools of all time

whoever came up with this rotation idea should've been fired

[humble halo]

We should raise our concern like helldivers2 did

[twin geyser]

This issue has been there since day one plus some more:

• black tusk doggos glitch behind doors and refuse to open them. It takes about 2-3 mins for them to despawn
• enemies shoot as soon as they spawn straight through the door before it has a chance to open

[twin geyser]

No, firing is the easy way.
My take is more painful - don't pay him/her salary until this genius solo beats loop 40 with this rotation

[humble halo]

The shooting through door is the worst thing I think the doors are open for them when the doors start opening i.e. animation is programmed wrong

[twin geyser]

I don't remember a single QoL update for Descent (except update to NSA shop)

[humble halo]

Me neither

[untold surge]

This mode needs a custom talents pool loadout or at least let u pick which talent pool u want (best option is to remove talents pool)

[jolly cave]

Kinda goes against the basic idea of a rogue-lite, to let you pick that specifically.

[untold surge]

curious how many still play the mode after the bad update

[jolly cave]

We have quite literally no way of knowing.

The numbers of players in div2 in general aren't public, as any numbers you see on steam don't count ubi-connect.

[zealous prism]

just came back to the game, i tested the mode but i didn't liked it much, interesting they're trying out new things that said

[red ledge]

Okay, which stats should I upgrade first? I have Accuracy and HSD for Offensive, Hazard Protection for Defensive, and Skill Damage/Skill Haste/Skill Repair/Status Effects for Utility

[stiff rain]

hsd

[red ledge]

Alright, I'll go with HSD first then.

[stiff rain]

you can't join an ongoing descent

[rustic bough]

The implementation of talent pool rotations already defeats the purpose of a rogue-lite. Since a talent pool contains a set of talents picked from the total pool, it lets the players narrow down what talents they want to pick far easier.
All that a rotation does is it defines your play style. For example, Sloth is heavily skewed towards a skill-based play style. All but one of the utility talents in Sloth are skill-based, so picking Sloth is a lose-lose situation:

• Skill-based play styles are entirely unfeasible in the Descent.
• Going for a gun-based play style means you won't have enough of the crucial utility talents to back you up, resulting in extended amounts of time spent to clear a room

[jolly cave]

I very much disagree, but there's no point in extended discussions on Descent in this server as it always devolves into shouting matches and hurled insults within about 5-10 replies.

So I'll make it easier and just bail now.

[twin geyser]

You disagree with the idea of custom pools, because it defeats the purpose of rogue-lite - I totally agree with this statement, as it's the core gameplay feature of such genre. However, pool rotation is not the same. How so? It's also the limitation of choice, just not by players, but by devs, who don't test what they do.
Try playing with Sloth rotation against nemesis and further

[timid mauve]

if they add some fun elements for skill based style, e.g. overclock feature quick cooldown which allow people constantly throwing seeker mine or sticky, even the progress is slower than gun play style, at least people would think worth the time, after all people concern what is fun game rather than what is roguelike

[rustic bough]

For offensive skills to be viable, skill damage needs to be able to scale infinitely just like weapon damage. Either make red cores increase damage for both weapon and skills, or let skill tier go above 6

[velvet swallow]

Also the fact that various skills atraight up cannot be used vs nemesis which is what most people would aim for.

[twilit geyser]

You really dislike sloth, I agree it's not the best rotation, but it's definitely not the end of the Descent world. I'm sorry to inform you that many players have no problem beating nemesis and strolling through many, many, loops afterwards with this rotation. Asking for someone to be fired because you can't do something and don't realize that many others can is really extreme.

[twin geyser]

I'm talking about long term runs.
I got loop 40 arm patch in every season since Descent was introduced so telling me about "skill issues" is just funny to read.
And don't forget that nobody liked rotation through all PTS phases, yet it was pushed live without paying attention to the feedback (as usual)

[twin geyser]

^ this

[twilit geyser]

Many many people have also completed the loop 40 patch run 2 times? So far. Completing it doesn't make you good. Not being able kill nemesis on loop 4 with sloth is a skill issue.

[twin geyser]

I repeat. I'm talking about long term runs. Killing nemesis is easy solo and in duo with any rotation. Come back to this discussion when you beat loop 40 with sloth and we'll talk

[rustic bough]

Can it be done? Sure, it can be done. Question is, how much of your sanity do you want to sacrifice? Would you spend 12 hours to do 30 loops just to prove a point? Sane people would say no.

Most Descent veterans know that the real killer of long runs isn't the game difficulty but the mental stamina required

[twilit geyser]

I have, as well as many others.

But you included nemesis with you original post.

[twin geyser]

That was my mistake, I admit.
Should have said past loop 25

[twin geyser]

As soon as I finish with comms (49/52 currently) I'm done with this mode. I have enough NSA tech for now (51.5k) to buy blueprints couple of seasons ahead + 18 recon. caches saved aside

[rustic bough]

same

Sloth followed by Gluttony. I'm gonna skip this week's comms

[atomic wigeon]

yeah, better than sloth but the second least appealing rotation and takes a while to get a build going. Sloth has the yellows you don't want. This one has the secondary exotics you choose if you can't get one of your mains.

[wise granite]

I haven't played Descent for months now. Talent rotations just killed it + zero variation in it really

It's just a neutered roguelite

so lite it could be called rogue-zero

with how neutered it is tbh

[rustic bough]

Lmao

[copper goblet]

Whats your high score? https://prnt.sc/dCl0JUo92yNY

[dusk niche]

It's about having some self respect for yourself and not playing awful content. The feedback on talent rotation was overwhelmingly negative yet they kept it in. It's so bad that only 5 of the 7 deadly sins are available in the rotation

But hey maybe you can continue to support the devs on your own because their decisions and actions are hurting the overall playerbase and people are moving on from the game

[rustic bough]

13 hours 💀
Congrats but I don't have that mental stamina

[timid mauve]

dude want to apply Guinness record

[robust junco]

Anyone can suggest a build for 100 loops or s, with the Gluttony talent pool

[balmy finch]

100 loops wtf

That's like over a day straight

[manic dawn]

a build for a loop that high is the same as a build for loop 10, you talents will just be maxed.

[rustic bough]

2 more weeks to go

[red ledge]

For the last two Descent comms?

Is there an embargo for Descent comms 47-50? Cuz I've yet to see a video about them.

[rustic bough]

Nope

I'm at 50/52

[neon spear]

What's good, descent run,let's get it tho

[neon spear]

Back in descent

[jolly cave]

If you're looking for an LFG, please head on down to #lfg-playstation

[copper goblet]

Nah, it will take around 12h if you got the right rotation and team

[balmy finch]

100 loops? No lol

[copper goblet]

Of course lmfao. We did 98 loops in 13h and we were from 66 only as duo in. If you understand the game that’s not a problem.

[twin geyser]

We managed to beat 30 loops in 3 hours, so 100 is doable in 13 hours and you'll have some time to rest in between

[astral anchor]

aaaaa!! people, let me tell you what was my descent today.
1st was funny, all 4 members forgot about 2d wave at loop 4 and mobs got us easy xd
2st was funny too 1 rusher with shield killed all team xd
3st not funny loop 5 player chose hard room(1 room from loop 1/4) and all die, wuala rikers were there
4th not funny, loop 4 player chose hard room (1 room from loop 1/4) and all burened by cleners.
Is it fun to play 1 hour and after that die before Nemesis?? Why people are stucked to hard rooms, and ready to spend hours but just to play hard rooms before Nem. Why not to think if your team is ready for hard room or can die.
I really dont want to spend time playing again and again these 5 first loop without seeing Nem

[astral anchor]

bugusers?

[astral anchor]

any rotation is cool, there is no only 1 way to play. And 12 hours without normal pause its bad to health, hello Ubi.
and for sure I come to Descent to play, not to reach loops, number is nothing, just gameplay.
Take care about your health if you spend so many time in Descnet , do pause to move blood, toilet, eating, etc. Your body wont thank you for reaching loop 100 without resting.

cheaters and bugusers can everything in this game, for sure. Usual players can not reach high loops very fast and not always

Are there videos with people who reached loop 30 or higher for very short time? for 3 hours? I would see how fust they run, if they play clean and if I like such a gameplay xd? really

[timid mauve]

we don't need a lecture no one asked or accusation

[astral anchor]

?..

[stiff rain]

just ignore this person

[astral anchor]

no man, why, no problem, probably he just misunderstood something.
everyone can discuss the game here, dont see any problem

.
whats wrong if I shared my expirience in game, or only you can share yours???

[jolly cave]

Bino is talking about the other person, not you.

just ignore people like that, they just want the attention.

[humble halo]

You calling him Bino as well he doesn't like being called bino tbh

[jolly cave]

We rarely get to pick our nicknames. I got stuck with Rivens about 8 years ago.

[astral anchor]

😀 sure, it must be dont allowed post links, you can send link for these videos by dm

@copper goblet

thanks

[humble halo]

I changed my name about 5 months and 11 days ago

[stiff rain]

very impressive, congrats on the high loop run 🙂

[twin geyser]

Nope. Just build knowledge and good team

[unreal estuary]

I was waiting for Vindicator with damage to target out of cover and checking the store from time to time but never see it, the last one was with maxed out damage to armor
so do you think I should just wait and check the store every day or damage to armor is the only option?

[jolly cave]

It's had dtooc before, so if you want to wait you might get lucky.

[unreal estuary]

thank you, i saved 405 credits for it, gonna check it every day then

[jolly cave]

@astral anchor @copper goblet Both of you move on.

[astral anchor]

still it is very long game mode...only posible reach high loops if you ruin the game, not enjoy it, and have very much time for it.
And, if someone is not getting high loop not means they are bad team, just may be they like to play, not run the game, and you go toilet, and water, or someone can call you we are humans, but in this game no pause. - time spent in loops, max loop reacherd never say about how you play. Its like SHD level, more doesnt mean better. Its just a game. really I dont wanna be like a zombie running for high loops xdxd, its loops only, nothing important. when you need 4 hours min running to do loop 40, cmon people game cant manage my life! xd seems I never do this in 4 hours or may be just never, but will be free from game managment, and saying true, better I will never reach these shameness 40 loop and will play like I want, not like game says to me.

[astral anchor]

I proud to have only 11 loops as max!!👍

[unreal estuary]

mine is 18 or something in solo, was surprised by the 3rd wave of adds and run out of ammo

[twin geyser]

2 weeks and we're done (I truly hope)

[unreal estuary]

I noticed the Vindicator has different stats on all of my 4 characters in the NSA store, didn't know that it's so random

[jolly cave]

the 3rd Attributes on all Exotic guns can now be randomised.

[unreal estuary]

I know but I'm gonna waste a lot of exotic components on my regen build for DZ, so I better wait for dtooc
I was thinking the gun has the same stats for everyone in the store but somehow it's just random

[jolly cave]

Randomness is the price we pay for being able to have meta on every gun.

[humble halo]

Why don't they make DTTOC Default attributes - LMGs

Of course you can reroll it later

[uncut gate]

Whats the actual number of comms from descent? 40?

Oh wait? Is it 50/52 now? :o

[frail knoll]

@uncut gate yes, I believe it is

[twin geyser]

Yeap. 2 more weeks and freedom

[nocturne hedge]

Im 2 weeks behind lol

Crap i forgot to do this week as well...make it 3

[robust junco]

Anyone has a link to talent pool list? or its just random name and randomized pool every 2~3 days?

i mean like Envy, Wrath etc...

[pine siren]

the pool changes to a different one at random each cycle, but the pools themselves are fixed: there are 5 so far, someone will have a list of which talents are in which pools

[compact jewel]

Talent pool

[twin geyser]

51/52 Descent comms obtained. 7 days to free my soul

[pine siren]

next season they'll up it to 300 comms

[stiff rain]

such deep lore

[pine siren]

rip binoculars

[rustic bough]

I think the Devs absolutely know what they're doing when they implemented talent rotations. Sloth is designed to trick players into thinking skill damage is viable. Wrath is designed to be an excruciating climb. Greed is for high damage per pellet builds, Envy is for crit-based builds.

Wrath isn't actually any better than Gluttony. I'm putting it at the second worst rotation

[twin geyser]

One comm per month should be good

[rustic bough]

One comm per loop 30

Just like the lv 30 guys

[reef patio]

Hell yeah brother

[calm patrol]

man if only the game have save feature for loop.

I get boot up from descent because AFK to do important task can't ignore it.

[rustic bough]

You can leave your agent on auto-run to bypass the afk timer or if you have a controller, that's even better, bind a rubberband to the right stick

[calm patrol]

already did, it need specific environment to get run forever, and looks like my chara get kinda slide environment, it and it stop and the game register me as AFK

already on 19 loop, 3+ hours wasted for me.

[timid lichen]

Are descent caches bugged (reconstructed)

I ran twice - no cache after killing nemesis
Friend ran twice (once with me) - no cache
Another person ran twice (no cache)

Seems like a gimmick tbf

[stiff rain]

just rng

50% is 50%

[unreal estuary]

just bought the Vindicator with the DTTOOC, but somehow the blueprint for reroll is not available
seems like they added random versions in the NSA store because you can't buy a blueprint

[compact jewel]

You should be able to, try and relog

[rustic bough]

That is the intention

[nocturne hedge]

Vindcator doesn't have a reconfiguration blueprint as far as i know

[jolly cave]

It's a bug, as far as we know. Keep an eye on future updates.

[rustic bough]

If there's a recalibration blueprint for the Vindicator then it'd be a one-off purchase, which defeats the point of it being sold at the vendor.

[vital dust]

so can anyone explain why when i'm doing solo descent sometimes i'll get two exotic talents within two loops, and sometimes it takes upwards of four to get my second exotic?

[unreal estuary]

just died at loop 31, the more I play the more I like it lol
also got the Emperor's Guard blueprint (it was the reason I started playing in this mode) but at this point I want to get all available blueprints

talent pool rotations are fine, really, but they should allow us to choose any pool we want at any time, it could be paywalled in the NSA store, I don't care, but the idea that I have to wait days to get something useful is not player friendly at all

also, there are not enough permanent buffs in the NSA store, they should have a lot more stuff there, even at a very high cost, because it's easy to get everything available there and then get killed in a second, you just don't want to continue playing in this mode after that, and there is nothing else to improve your starting stats in the NSA store

[stiff rain]

#td2-descent message

[vital dust]

ohhhh no kidding

that's very curious

ty

[timid lichen]

was there a point in time where descent would drop a 100% reconstructed cache at loop 10?

[rustic bough]

No

[nocturne hedge]

Nope never

[ancient walrus]

Man descent i so fun. Farming for reconstructed cus i cant get a single metador from named item cache 👍 (I have trauma from this gamemode)

[rustic bough]

52 descent comms done. see you guys next year

[twin geyser]

Got 52/52 as well. Time to forget about the division 2 till next season, full of "content"

[jolly cave]

You know, you can just look up the comms online and that way you don't have to keep coming back on here to complain.

[twin geyser]

Where did you see complains?)
I like collecting audios / artifacts etc. in games (some of them are hidden behind nice puzzles, like hunter riddles)

[nocturne hedge]

You'll get used to it

[red ledge]

I dunno about anyone else, but when I defeated Nemesis recently, my comms collection jumped up from 23 (IIRC) to 40 out of 52.

Guess the catch up mechanic is working?

[twin geyser]

17 per one run? That's really cool, ngl

[red ledge]

Or maybe I just got lucky, cuz I've only got 1 per run over the last several weeks.

[fading swift]

52/52. and henceforth, descent will be played only on my HC char.

[tropic tide]

dark zone pvp is infinite content and fun as hell if you're good at it

[twin geyser]

Played a bit, but after DZ in the first game with 24 players, this one feels weaker and less interesting, tbh

[rustic bough]

We have different definitions of fun, and that's okay

[uncut gate]

Is there a sheet, where i can browse all bp (at this moment) which i can get from reconstucted cache?

[jolly cave]

Actually the 📌 pinned-message on this channel has them all listed in a comment.

[uncut gate]

Oh yes, thank you for mentioning it. :) Cheers!

[red ledge]

Just to make sure, we still get only comms by completing the weekly project, correct?

[dawn igloo]

Yes.

[timid lichen]

What’s up with there being 2 door spawns for 2 waves? That’s literally 3 waves

Wave 1 has the first set that come out from when you walk in, kill them and you get another door spawn… then after killing them you get wave 2

It’s such a waste of ammo

[rustic bough]

huh?

sometimes enemies just overstay their welcome behind the door

[timid lichen]

Nah it’s like how the summit spawn are, just door spawns instead of actual wave 2

You’re basically clearing 3 waves and spending unnecessary time

[rustic bough]

I'm lost. Do you mean a grace period between waves?

[dawn igloo]

It's exactly what this is, delayed spawn. Sometimes not at all and you have to wait for a despawn

[dawn igloo]

Although I'm not sure what you mean by that. Regardless of the delay you would still expend the same amount of ammo to kill them no?

[red ledge]

Okay, good. Because my Descent comms collection is at 40 at the moment, so it looks I have a lot of weeks to catch up.

[dusk niche]

Imagine being a new player trying to catch up on all the comms 💀
The comms this season haven't been relevant to the season story but last season the comms were relevant so the whole "go look on YouTube" isn't very useful (as if there's a centralized place to watch them as they come out)

[jolly cave]

NGN uploads them when they drop, so that's the centralised spot.

[dusk niche]

Afaik he's behind a couple weeks

[jolly cave]

3 days ago they uploaded one.

If they are behind, then either just wait for them to catch up or find another youtube who does it too.

[dusk niche]

True but nevertheless relying on a YouTuber to upload weeks or months after they're released or playing descent every week for a year doesn't seem like a good solution
I dunno, I'm just missing one anyways, hopefully it drops next week

[fast wing]

currently if you do a decent, it seems to be giving much more than 1, overall either 12-ish if you have done any project runs recently, or asmuch as 20 if you haven't done it since the reimbursement for the weeks the project wasn't working, give it a try, had one char of mine go from 39 to 51, other chars at low numbers go from 10 to 30 and 0 to 20

[red ledge]

I should've clarified. This week, my Descent comms collection went from 23 to 40.

[fast wing]

ah yeah, rereading it you mean if it is once per week basically, yeah, read it the other way

it is indeed just once per week still to be clear

[humble halo]

Thanks for amazing guides IKEA

[rocky bison]

Yes . this week , they dropped 17 comms in 1 run

[red ledge]

Now I wonder if they'll drop 12 next week in 1 run or if this week is a one time ocassion.

[fiery marsh]

Wish I had that luck. I’ve been getting 1 ever since they fixed them. Just hit 40 this week after only missing a few weeks since the mode launched pretty much.

I remember people getting a whole bunch after they patched the project

[unreal estuary]

I beat the nemesis today and got 20 comms, 24 in total now, pretty weird

[dusk niche]

Problem is people will get a bunch at the start and then it'll slow down to one a week at some point
Should be one per nemesis run tbh, we'll see next week now that all audios have been released. Not holding my breath since it seems to be tied to the weekly descent project but who knows

[rocky bison]

No , it was 1 per week from the beginning, such thing only happened this week , and that week which we got around 8 compensations for those weeks which the comm drop was bugged

[fiery marsh]

The max I’ve ever gotten at once was 2 when I missed a week which kept me up to date till they bugged out. I didn’t play the mode again till after the fix a week or 2 later expecting to get a whole bunch, but I’ve been getting 1 every week. Unless I get an unexpected drop, looks like I got 12 more weeks at this rate.

The drops if you miss a week seem a little random. I’ve been with people that got more than one while I’m still getting singles.

[hexed whale]

I just got 18 comms. Was sitting at 30/52 and now 48/52. My clanmate jumped from 22 to 40. He got 18 as well.

[red ledge]

I guess it's random for some players

[rustic bough]

It's a slap in the face for those of us playing from week 1 that people can fast track their collectible progress during the final weeks

[jolly cave]

Okay now, that's a bit much.

If you want to go that route, you could say the same thing about Targeted Loot existing, or Summit/Countdown, or Expertise, or the Material Cap increases, etc.
this is a live-service game. That's the nature of the beast.

[manic dawn]

The idea being: I suffered so everyone else has too?

[maiden canyon]

We already have a whole faction that adheres to this ideal

[rustic bough]

Expertise is one thing I'm glad new players will always be playing the catch-up game.

[dusk niche]

It never made any sense to just keep one audio per week, but it still seems it's rather inconsistent and not what it should be
But tbh at this point I dunno what's intended or not and what they seem to care about fixing. A whole year and it was never addressed outside of (allegedly) a PTS

[twin geyser]

I don't care that other people got audios as well. Because during our playthroughs we got a solid amount of reconstruction caches + tons of NSA credits

[red ledge]

What's the best weapons for Gluttony rotation?

[rustic bough]

The exotics you pick will define your play style. But the 100-mag LMGs are generally the most optimal choice

[red ledge]

In case anyone is wondering, yes, this week's Descent project does still give plenty of comms.

I was 40 out of 52. I finished it and got 12, which means I got all the audio logs.

[fiery marsh]

We’ll see how it goes later on because I got 40 as well. I’m honestly not expecting it to change, but you never know with this game.

[fiery marsh]

Went from 40 to 42. Swear you’re better off not playing every week if you want these huge drops as it just seems completely random.

[ashen bloom]

Bruh I don't know if it's only me but on Playstation, there were a lot of times my game crashed on descent when I opened the inventory menu to see the talents I have equipped. It's so frustrating that a rogue-like mode doesn't have a mechanic to prevent you from losing your progress just because the game crashed or you lose connection to the server (when a player gets "disconnected" in a normal mission, they still can rejoin if they log in fast enough. That doesn't happen on descent)

[stiff rain]

everyone has been asking for it

[hexed whale]

I just got 4 and completed my 52. Clanmate got 18 last week (22->40), 12 more this week (40->52).

I completed all collectibles now (on both my characters). And the Commendations. I'm very happy right now.

[rustic bough]

Lucky you

And your teammate

[dusk niche]

Finally done as well with descent, got all the comms. It has potential but God it's such a bad implementation when you think it could and should be

Now I expect them to put descent commendations just to piss us off

(There were descent commendations in the project resolve pts so I expect them to make it to the love game at some point)

[twin geyser]

As long as you delta-03 / crash at loop 30+ without saving your progress - it's pointless

[unreal estuary]

I just died on 16 loop and got 16 comms, 40/52 total, looks like it depends on your current loop in which you killed Nemesis, this mechanic seems reasonable to me

[uncut gate]

Nah, i ended up 36 floor and got 1 comm only.

[pearl schooner]

How do people play decent , startup till you build something takes ages lol

[rustic bough]

Depends on the talent rotation.
For Sloth, Gluttony and Wrath, it certainly feels that way.
For Greed and Envy, you'll find that sweet spot the moment you get the exotic talent you're looking for

[atomic wigeon]

I think you mean sloth, gluttony and greed. Greed isn't as bad as the other 2 but feels like a halfway house. Wrath and envy are the ones people tend to look forward to and which lend them themselves to developing a build more quickly.

Problem particularly with sloth, gluttony and greed is that people spend time trying to replicate the effects of 1 exotic/choice 'bullet hell' by either stacking salvage and extra or by using chatter creatively, each of which takes time to set up and usually means a slower/grindy run.

The other problem is that those 3 talent pool rotations depend on weapon rng. To get the build going you either need something with a big mag, like an M249 or an M60, or something with a slightly bigger mag that reloads more quickly, like an mp7 or an rpk74. Whether you get those depends on rng. If you don't, and it's not unusual not to get those for 15 /20 loops, this also them means a slower/grinsy run.

[rustic bough]

The moment I get breathe free and/or regicide, I'm gaming

With Wrath it's a slow cook. It more suitable for a half crit half hsd build whose talents honestly just takes too long to build up

[atomic wigeon]

I agree with you, breath free and regicide, together with agonizing bite, are a fun combo. Since Greed has opportunistic, it lends itself to a shotgun/shield build and running from target to target. Breathe Free also lets you dodge a bunch of stuff you normally can't dodge. But, it still takes time to setup a build mainly because of weapon rng and also having to stack extra/salvage.

[rustic bough]

Yeah weapon RNG sadly can be a factor too

[twin geyser]

Ubisoft forward is tomorrow. Do you expect to see at least some QoL improvements to Descent?

[bold finch]

I needed that laugh thanks 😂

[twin geyser]

The question was born from the eternal pain of seeing so many flaws which can be fixed by implementing 2-3 QoL features, but....

[unreal estuary]

All I want is fixed blueprint pool, yesterday I did not get any blueprint from the reconstructed cache, so I am basically done until they fix missing ones, I do not expect any QoL changes at all

[rustic bough]

I want them to admit that talent rotation is a mistake but that's going to be a pipe dream for the foreseeable future

[rocky bison]

True , Wrath is the best rotation

[rocky bison]

Nope, i expect them to make it even worse

[twin geyser]

That's the spirit 💀👍

[uncut gate]

On other topic, i played my alt, beated nemesis, completed the project and havent got even single comm. Sweet descent! 😁

[somber reef]

Perfect descent badge

[twin geyser]

50 loops badge - hope it's not per one run (manageable, but why...)

[somber reef]

Probably is

If it wasn’t per one run then that would be too easy

[twin geyser]

Imagine 300 summit floors in one run

[timid lichen]

Prioritize skills and build around the gun you’re comfortable with / get

Since you’re gonna focus on skills mostly (you want skills the nemesis can’t screw you over with)

Reviver hive and riot foam are good … decoy gives random skill

Foam can get you killed tho

[glacial verge]

if u play descent add rainamp i run sniper turret skill build and emp to clear hacking attempts

[nocturne hedge]

20 more descent comms have been added..

72 total now

[twin geyser]

Lmao

[mighty tartan]

https://youtu.be/Tjc8jP6vCXY?si=h7njHXvjBAB_q0XY

[uncut gate]

🤦‍♂️

[rugged turtle]

heres to hoping they updated blueprint pool for all previous missing ones prior to season 5

[nocturne hedge]

My honest reaction

[rocky bison]

it's not

[somber reef]

Nice

[balmy finch]

are the descent comms still only one a week

[stiff brook]

@balmy finch I think it was bugged and gave more than 1. It seemed to be random. I don't know of they fixed it yet. Some people get one and others up to 20 comms

[balmy finch]

ok ty

[rocky bison]

After 52 , Yes

[balmy finch]

Wdym after 52

[mossy moon]

no new arm patch this season for defeating the nemesis?

[dusk niche]

Definitely not in CPs and I doubt they were added to descent

[rocky bison]

After 52 comma

[rocky bison]

You should be in loop 7 or 8

[balmy finch]

What about the first 52

[copper trellis]

Agonizing Bite not working in Decent now...? Or just me.

[cyan totem]

Saw someone else mention that elsewhere.

[atomic wigeon]

yeah, think it's broken or at least I can't tell if it's working. It has no description and I'm not getting any target line/indicator.

[copper trellis]

Nothing activates and just discovered as well, stickies wont trigger either. This game man. 1 fix, 17 broken items.

[compact jewel]

Sticky's just don't work in descent or at all??

[tepid canopy]

any new blueprints on the recon caches pool for this season?

[dawn igloo]

Seems like there's some catchup mechanic present but the number you get is random

[balmy finch]

That's fucking weird

[dawn igloo]

Along with the whole of descent looks like

[balmy finch]

Lol

[silver junco]

so you still can only get one comm per week?

and yeah agonizing bite sure ain't working at all. even its description is gone

[dawn igloo]

Are we still on Greed?

[rocky bison]

even worse , Gluttony

[calm patrol]

hm.... its gluttony talent pool is change?

I swear there's no chamelon talent on previous season

CMIIW

[silver junco]

i think i saw it last season, but i don't normally pick it unless i have to

[calm patrol]

I'm just hoping that, can we get 2 choice talent pool rotation other than waiting 3 days.

or can dev just spoiler next rotation we get because I don't want get disappointed because the unknown

[dawn igloo]

People really dislike Gluttony that much? I'm quite fond of it

[twin geyser]

Big part of a good long run - is a combo of nice exotic talents

[dawn igloo]

Ah I guess I've never survived that long to find out

[nocturne hedge]

4 new ones have been added i believe

[untold surge]

LFG Perfect Descent commendation PM

[dusk niche]

Armorkit bug still present 😬

[limpid herald]

Where do I find descent in game

[twin geyser]

Trust me, lots (if not all) bugs still persist

[dusk niche]

Yep but this one should've been fixed a while ago

Are there new descent arm patches this season?

[mossy moon]

Defeated nemesis went to loop 11 completed no arm patch for me for defeating nemesis or reaching loop 10

[dusk niche]

Interesting thank you, with the commendations they probably dropped the season patches

[mossy moon]

Comendations workd got the rerol talent one and the deafeat nemesis withouth using exo talent that works

[twin geyser]

Can confirm. Got both of them too

[dusk niche]

Yep, got those as well

[mossy moon]

the arm patch for deafeating nemesis for the previus season was missed on relase to my knowledge and added to .1 patch according to trello maybe they missed it again?

ans they will add it later? in a .1 patch?

[untold surge]

LFG Perfect Descent commendation PM

[mossy moon]

anyone even knows how this one looks?

[mossy moon]

and agonizing bite doesn't work in descent

[nocturne hedge]

Use lfg channels. This isn't one of them

[covert idol]

Add me Ubi id Derrame. point included

[tepid canopy]

Any chance you know which ones?

[nocturne hedge]

Like Glue, Thorn, Bober and Eagle's Grasp

I'll add it to the pinned list now

[split glade]

I have those except bober iirc

[nocturne hedge]

Man i hate the new discord layout so much

[nocturne hedge]

Added

[icy grove]

We get these 4 from completing season pass road ( normal )

You forgot to edit 20.1 to TU21

[nocturne hedge]

At what tiers do we get them?

[stiff brook]

We don't. We only get the weapons themsleves and not the BPs

in the season pass

[nocturne hedge]

That's what i was guessing

[covert idol]

Matchmaking broken? or nobody in the world is playing this? cant find players, wtf

Anyone for descent? Ubi id Derrame. point included

[balmy finch]

Descent doesn't have many players

[mighty tartan]

So were back to loop 5 Nemesis?

[stiff rain]

finally

[uncut gate]

Loop 5? Aye, you can say that.

It's after 4th loop.

[twin geyser]

Looks like they didn't add loop 10-40 + Nemesis Arm patches. That's good, saving my time for other games)

[rustic bough]

same

[dusk niche]

Repair trap is broken in descent

[stiff rain]

as in super strong or useless?

[dusk niche]

Can't deploy it 💀

[nocturne hedge]

No we don't. Just checked myself.

[stiff rain]

check pinned

[ashen bloom]

Thanks

[atomic wigeon]

Anyone know what the new talent rotation is? In descent since before it changed, so can't tell.

[calm patrol]

did we rotate between wraith and greed 2 times

I'm sure before wraith yesterday is greed

we back greed again

[stiff rain]

nah last one was gluttony

[calm patrol]

Okay

[atomic wigeon]

yeah, we had greed then gluttony then back to greed. 3 talent rotations which have agonizing bite which is bugged/not working. Makes sense

[stiff rain]

💀

[rocky bison]

This happened with EMP sticky for me as well

[rocky bison]

so Garbage / Trash and now back to Garbage again

[rustic bough]

so instant deploy doesn't work too?

[atomic wigeon]

Not even that so much. Yeah, Greed isn't as conventionally popular as Wrath and Envy but Breathe Free/Regicide/Agonizing Bite can be a fun combo.

It's more that we've had 2 'Agonizing Bite' rotations since the new season started - Agonizing Bite being a popular exotic in both rotations - and it's known it doesn't currently work. So why have these rotations at the moment or why not temporarily substitute agonizing bite for another useful exotic talent which does work, until it gets fixed?

[rustic bough]

Breathe Free + Regicide + Glass Cannon is the way to go.

[nocturne hedge]

You'll have better luck in LFG channels

[wild trout]

What are the rewards for completing a Rogue Agent room? Reconstructed caches or just NSA Tech?

[nocturne hedge]

Just nsa tokens. Rogues don't affect reconstructed caches

[wild trout]

Ok, I saw someone else said 10 NSA Tech? Is that still right? If so, that’s 💩

[rustic bough]

Yes

Not gonna complain, rogue rooms are usually easier and faster than the usual 3-wave rooms

[nocturne hedge]

Yup. You save so much time and ammo by facing rogues

[sturdy plinth]

trap bugged on descent. cannot throw it and weapon firing itself after that bug, or sometime cannot fire weapon

[timid lichen]

How do u know if the room is rogue

Never seen it

Or hunters

[rocky bison]

When they come , you will know , trust me

they are guaranteed to come after loop 25 , tho they might come after loop 15 if you choose hard rooms

[unreal estuary]

I only saw boss rooms, the highest I got from it was 90+ NSA credits
rogues spawn very often in regular rooms with any difficulty starting from loop 25 or something

[timid lichen]

Oh I only ever got to loop 16 and was falling asleep running into the wall because it took 5 hrs

2nd attempt 2 man … loop 11+ gave 3 waves and chungas

[unreal estuary]

hm, my highest loop on xbox so far is 31, and it took me just 5 hours and 11 minutes

[timid lichen]

I wasn’t door camping I let the ads come to me

So it took a while lol

[unreal estuary]

got it, well I prefer door camping + reviver + striker drone

[timid lichen]

Oh I had decoy

[nocturne hedge]

There's no way to know beforehand

[wooden granite]

Descent is rough. Been running it a bit and haven't made it past Loop 6/Nemesis.

[winter vortex]

What's the meta for descent, for someone that never played it

[stiff rain]

wait for rotations that have intimidate

the meta is weapon damage builds with leadership + ad rush to proc intimidate

[winter vortex]

But idk how it even works

Do I just get them

Or what

Like countdown

[stiff rain]

the talents?

what no

[winter vortex]

Like anything

[stiff rain]

you start with nothing

[winter vortex]

💀

[stiff rain]

you get them by clearing rooms

[winter vortex]

How do you clear room with nothing

Melee?

[stiff rain]

you have a pistol

[winter vortex]

Sheeesh

[stiff rain]

then you can get a weapon and a skill

[jolly cave]

Pointed stares.

[winter vortex]

What

[stiff rain]

just watch a video or some gameplay on it, it's quite punishing not knowing what you get into

[winter vortex]

Can you matchmake it or it's solo?

[wooden granite]

It's basically a rogue-lite. You die, you lose everything. But you can spend points you get to get minor stat boosts that will help slightly.

[stiff rain]

it's not an easy mode

you can matchmake

[winter vortex]

Hm

It can't be that bad

[wooden granite]

I mean...you will die in the first rooms a few times if you aren't ready or just get unlucky.

I'm slowly learning if you get cocky, you are probably going to die.

[stiff rain]

just go in and play it a bit to have a feel

[winter vortex]

How do you get the vindicator

Is it just hope it drops

Like any other exotic

[stiff rain]

only from getting nsa tech from descent and buying it from the shop

[winter vortex]

Hm

How long does it take then

[red ledge]

You get NSA tech from completing loops and boss rooms.

Vindicator costs 350 NSA tech, so you're gonna need to grind a bit

[winter vortex]

💀

Welp

[wooden granite]

Yeah, you just have to bang your head against the wall with this mode

[winter vortex]

If only the weapon was meta

[stiff rain]

all i will say is it rewards aggressive playstyles a lot

[winter vortex]

So what do I get for my main from it

[stiff rain]

if you've been doing it, you'll have an easier time

you get reconstructed caches, which gives named item blueprints

those include blueprints for dz + named cache items

[winter vortex]

Hm

Isn't that only for proficiency

Idk if I want to farm that yet

[red ledge]

Some named item blueprints are also meta like Fox's Prayer

[stiff rain]

no

[winter vortex]

I have that god rolled iirc

Long time ago

Lol

[stiff rain]

it's to get items that are hard to get

like double crit matador

[winter vortex]

What's that

[stiff rain]

perfect ad rush

[winter vortex]

Huh interesting

Ad rush is cool

I like it on hunter fury

[stiff rain]

but anyways it's mainly for those blueprints

[red ledge]

I mostly do Descent for the weekly audio logs.

[harsh violet]

sloth...

[red ledge]

Not a fan of it, tbh

[harsh violet]

it's ass

[stiff rain]

yeah I'm not going into sloth

[jade pivot]

Someone just talk to me about this game mode coz I am about to lose it right now. It made me almost delete the game

[red ledge]

What problems you have with the game mode?

[jade pivot]

stupid long, literally the worst implementation of a Rogue-lite I have ever played with the most boring perks ever, and the final boss... A Nemesis with Restorer Hive and a sniper that one shots me so he can put down healing in one second and then stand there and aim at me, forcing me to sit there and watch as the damage I struggled for 30 minutes to do to him gets healed up

spent like 2 hours playing and what rewards do I have to show for it? 100 of the mode specific currency that I need like 350 of to buy anything worth-while.

[winter vortex]

That's how game works

If you don't like it find a different game

That's my advice

And 2h is nothing

The game is supposed to be for 1000h+

[jade pivot]

I dont know what to say to you dude... can you re-read what I have written? Do I look like I am talking about The Division 2 as a whole in a chat meant for discussing a specific game-mode?

[winter vortex]

Yes if you don't like the mode

Play different game

Don't play mode

What you don't understand?

It's quite simple concept.

I don't like it/it's bad/it's unfun
Solution:
I find different game, I stop playing that part of the game

Like it's not that crazy?

Or someone is forcing you to play it?

[jade pivot]

My God... why r you responding to me when you have nothing worth reading to say? Ill just wait for someone else to give me useful info or explain something I don't understand when it comes to this game mode or maybe even share a valid opinion.

[winter vortex]

Mad cuz bad

Pretty much

💀

[jade pivot]

again... look at what you r typing. How is this constructive in any way? what value are you adding? What r you doing with your time?

anyways, as I said... Unless you have something useful to say ill just ignore you.

[winter vortex]

You relpying confirms you are mad

I gave you useful answer

You ignored it

Not my fault

[unreal estuary]

It was hard for me to play without permanent buffs from NSA store, so I matchmake for NSA currency, got everything in the store in a week, then I was able to play solo in any rotation up to 10 loop (25+ if wrath or envy pool rotation), in short it's manageable, I got all blueprints in a month
also I'm on Xbox, it should be much easier on PC with kb/m and high fps

[stiff brook]

@winter vortex Gamemode is not finished imo. Like other gamemodes, they are going to leave at it is. In order to farm every named BP, you'll have to play ate least 100h+ of this mode. If you want the vindicator, probably 3-4h should net you what you need

[jade pivot]

Do those minor buffs really make that much of a difference? things like 10% crit chance

[stiff brook]

Like the keener watch, you can do without but it's a small increment of stats.

[jade pivot]

also does Nemesis always have restorer hive or did I just get unlucky?

[unreal estuary]

not sure, I don't think i learned how to play better, buffs should help you even just a little

[winter vortex]

Eh they probably made it so player are distracted from lack of content

No reason to finish it

Idk when it got added

[unreal estuary]

it has healer hive all the time, + all your current skills

[winter vortex]

Also you don't need every single bp unless you have nothing to do

[unreal estuary]

i can kill nemesis in 2 seconds if pool rotation has status effects, it's very easy that way

[stiff brook]

Honestly, the pace of clearing loops depends on the talent rotation which only one is good and is basically never there.

[jade pivot]

that.... is kinda dumb

[jade pivot]

I didnt get anything to do with status effects.

[unreal estuary]

i can get 350 credits solo in 2 hours now, all hard rooms for loops 1-5, medium rooms before nemesis at loop 7, easy rooms after nemesis
it's possible to get 13-15 reconstructed caches from 5 hours run up to 30 loop, even much more if you can manage it to 40+, so you can get all blueprints in about 50 hours or so, not 100

[jade pivot]

ah... so game mode is basically not worth playing coz its not fun unless specific talents are available?

[unreal estuary]

there are 5 pool rotations, 3 of them are just really bad, if you want easy mode then you should wait for wrath / envy and it's stupid, they should allow us to choose pool at any moment

[jade pivot]

@unreal estuary have you ever played any rogue-lite or rogue-lite game mode (in another game) before?

[jade pivot]

this week its... sloth I think? right?

[unreal estuary]

returnal is my favorite one, and it's much more balanced, descent is just a really bad mimic

[nocturne hedge]

Its every 3 days iirc

[nocturne hedge]

That's...not true?

[unreal estuary]

yep, everyone hates it, but I'm fine with it because I can get 6 skill cores with that capasitor exotic talant or whatever it's called

[nocturne hedge]

Nemesis doesn't always have a healing hive?

[unreal estuary]

what is not true? nemesis always heals for me and uses my offensive skills

[nocturne hedge]

Then why doesn't it happen for me?

[unreal estuary]

because you kill it too fast i guess, like when I can do it with status effect talants

[nocturne hedge]

I always wait a few seconds to see what skills im dealing with.
Nemesis always copies your skills except when you're using something that can't be copied (like pulse, shield, etc) then its randomized

[unreal estuary]

yes, skills are random, but he always heals if i can't beat it in a minute

[jade pivot]

YEEESS... I have played Returnal, Risk of Rain 2, Dead Cells, Ravenswatch and Have a nice death as well as some rogue-like game modes in a few other games and it just shocked me so much how bad it is implemented here. Like, why do they limit you soooo much? I have never played a rogue-like b4 were you dont feel OP when you get to the boss. Yes the boss may smack your ass and put you in your place but you always have fun b4 you die

[winter vortex]

I don't see problem with that

[unreal estuary]

i think this mode was x2+ times more powerful in PTS, then they nerfed it a lot for no reason

[jade pivot]

doesnt this make Nemesis stronger as well coz he steals your skills?

[unreal estuary]

i always choose reds before nemesis, 6 skills or 6 blue after it, then all reds

people prefer to go all red with +1000% weapon damage

[jade pivot]

I heard about this... I think Kamekazivondoom did a podcast with other Div content creators and they talked about how decent was fun in PTS but now it sucks so much that most of the playerbase doesn't play it and a lot of the people that do just do it coz they have to for blueprints

[jade pivot]

I did all red... he one shot me while I had full armor with his sniper. I was shocked. I get that without blue cores I am basically a glass cannon but bruh... The division 2 isnt the kind of game that can afford to have 1 shots. Breaking my armor in one shot is understandable but going through all my armor and health?!

[jade pivot]

that would be better... I hope its 3 days and not a week

[jade pivot]

I had the revive hive... is that why he got restorer hive?

[nocturne hedge]

The 1 HP lock mechanic would protect you against one shots. You were probably shot multiple times

[nocturne hedge]

Yes, that's exactly why

[unreal estuary]

3 days is still too much
people hate pool rotations - it's fine, but we should choose it at any time
and about rogue-lite stuff - we need much more perm buffs in the NSA store, it's a joke in it's current form

[stiff brook]

@unreal estuary 50h if you play solo because when you're 3 or 4 in the group the scaling is off and then it doubles the time you spend in the loops. Usually it's 4-5h to get to loop 18

and of course if you get the right talent pool which is not the case for at least 3 weeks now

[unreal estuary]

i can't imagine playing it in a group, it's unreal to beat nemesis with 3 or 4 agents, even 2 is hard as hell

[stiff brook]

I used to play alone in Descent but it's boring so i try to fdind other players whith who i can farm

[jade pivot]

I think it was on CD. He shot me once and almost killed me which shocked me coz I had never seen an enemy do that to me in the rest of the game even with full red core builds. I healed up to full using a repair kit and waiting for my HP to go back to full then he shot me behind cover coz I think I was in an angle where he could se my shoulder? I think... but that second shot killed me from full HP and armor. Revive hive kept me alive tho.

[jade pivot]

how is the group experience?

[unreal estuary]

i always thought nemesis hits as hard as hunters

[jade pivot]

I agree that builds shouldnt be locked behind a rotation but I do not think they will do that... devs seem to hate fun when it comes to this game mode in particular

[stiff brook]

@jade pivot harder and longer. But i find it better than playing alone.

[nocturne hedge]

Nemesis is a hunter. Got the smoky spawn, damage, and havking and stuff

[stiff brook]

@jade pivot Talent rotation used to no be a thing. They've added that in the previous TU

[unreal estuary]

it's balanced enough for 2 agents in a group, but it's a nightmare with 3+

[unreal estuary]

make sense

[jade pivot]

hits harder... I did all the hunters and none of them did that to me

they had high damage but not a true one shot

[nocturne hedge]

Yup. Basically each of his bullets dealt more damage then your health + armor
The game kept you at one hp after the first bullet so you dont get one shotted, but the mechanic went on a cooldown. So when you got hit a second time, you just insta died

[unreal estuary]

depends on world difficulty, it was real hard for me on heroic in the last climax mission

[jade pivot]

and someone genuinely thought players would love this? so much so that they made the game mode playable from level 1?! (I think? I know it can be played b4 you even reach level 30)

[nocturne hedge]

To be fair, you do get a boost to your stats, but i agree. Its kinda bs

[jade pivot]

have they said anything about it after? specifically regarding player feedback about it?

[unreal estuary]

it's possible to kill nemesis in 2 seconds, all you need is the talant which burns him, also Eyeless can help a lot

[jade pivot]

I always play on heroic... I genuinely dont remember taking such damage ever

[nocturne hedge]

I'd say trauma is the best one

[unreal estuary]

and none of it in sloth right?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vTJEX5DerCvOj3a_m36TRy1gPBAUvrduOIdmXI9j1Y0MpQk1wIXaZ9KOcPa7HzXzp_N5qGmjDj6yEfL/pubhtml?pli=1#
useful stuff, it's pinned somewhere on this server

[jade pivot]

I think "Kinda BS" is an understatement. Personally I see one shots in bosses the same as putting ads in boss fights, "the game designer that designed this boss is publicly admitting that they are pathetic at making bosses"

[unreal estuary]

yep sloth do not have status effects at all, it's all about skill builds

I think Envy is the best DPS rotation, Bullet Hell + Payment in Kind = tons of damage without bleed to yourself

[jade pivot]

ill give this game mode a chance when a good perk rotation is up. Thanks for the help lads

[stiff brook]

These past 2 weeks and half we only had sloth, greed and gluttony. All bad

[unreal estuary]

also Agonizing Bite was broken in the last 2 ones lol

[stiff brook]

Yep

[jolly cave]

@quick flower If you're looking for teammates, head on down to #lfg-playstation

[quick flower]

Thanks

[rustic bough]

Picking hard rooms will have a chance of rogue rooms. Starts as early as loop 10 if you're unlucky (loop 10 is way too early for rogues) and as others mentioned, increased chances from loop 25 onwards

[rustic bough]

Agonizing Bite more like No Bite

[timid lichen]

what’s the benefit of rogue rooms

[rustic bough]

it's faster

and in most cases, easier.

[rain helm]

is the nsa vendor upgrades cumulative in the sense that you get +1 +2 +3 ... +10 = 55? or is it just a +10 chc?

[stiff rain]

just 10%

[rain helm]

that's so bad

[rustic bough]

how? with Surgical 10 you'll cap at 60%

[rain helm]

yeah... just expected more with how they wrote the vendor description and the fact that maxing it out only gives 10%

they should let us upgrade it more or smth

wouldn't mind if they raise the prices

[rustic bough]

that would make talents in Descent less worthy

[rain helm]

yeah that's true

maybe they can just remove these talents that give basic stats upgrades and instead put these stats in the shop

idk

makes talents more fun imo

[stiff brook]

Finally Wrath rotation

that's been a long time

[calm patrol]

looks like the game one movement detected afk

I get log out because I doing run to wall because I need to do something in rl

my loop 21 run is gone because the game didn't have any pause system prevent me to get log out or AFK

almost my over 15 loop run end because AFK for doing something in rl.

[balmy vault]

hi all. is it known that if you don't have health mines or emp gun in normal game, if you get them in decent you cant use them?
not sure if just a bug for me

[rustic bough]

Auto-run doesn't work anymore, you need directional input as well. For example, tying a rubber band to the right joystick makes you go in circles.

[rustic bough]

Yes they are bugged since the update

[icy grove]

Are these missing from descent loot pool ?

Marksman Rifle : Adrestia , Brutus

Rifle : Whisper

Pistols : Lightening rod , Mozambique Special

[nocturne hedge]

Can't double check for myself as I'm dealing with exams for a while. Maybe somebody else can check

[rustic bough]

I don't think Adrestia will ever have a blueprint

[rocky bison]

Yea Whisper and Brutus are missing

[stiff brook]

I feel like us 10 players of descent keep missing each other in the LFG group 🙂

[jolly cave]

@rustic bough Adrestia can not be modified via the stations that we have, so yep it's unlikely that it'll ever get a blueprint.

[wild trout]

Yet, all the ones from the current season have BPs 🤡

[dusk niche]

6 loops in descent so far, 4 loops with cleaners and 2 with true sons

[rustic bough]

Wait how

Guessing you beat nemesis

[dusk niche]

Yeah but I always get cleaner- true sons - cleaner and loop 4 could be hyenas

This time I got cleaners - true sons - cleaners - true sons - cleaners - cleaners 🤣

[rustic bough]

Yeah if you had cleaners right before Nemesis, you can have Cleaners right after

I had it with Rikers and it was not fun

[dusk niche]

Hmm never noticed it before but tbh I don't normally go beyond nemesis
Just doing it for the patch and see if it drops at 10 or as I'm hearing there's another requirement

[stiff brook]

I can confirm that the patches are obtainable again. You get one for every 10 floor

[dusk niche]

I got to 11 and no patch

[rustic bough]

Is it guaranteed or just inconsistent

[dusk niche]

Haven't seen any tier patches but there's def one for nemesis

[rustic bough]

Yup

[icy grove]

can u show us the pic

i went to +40 today and not a single tier patch

[stiff brook]

let me finish my run and i'll check

[ashen bloom]

Almost got to the nemesis twice today, but the playstation 4 error screen is my worst enemy 🤡

[stiff brook]

@icy grove What platform are you on ?

[icy grove]

PC

[icy grove]

Thank you

[dusk niche]

To get the nemesis patch you have to reach nemesis at the latest possible time, loop 8. So hard rooms every time. And hope the rng doesn't give medium or easy rooms

[stiff brook]

i swear each time i die, i can't learn anything. The game has a way to cheese us, it's very frustrating

@icy grove That's weird, i could've sworn that i've got patches today. Might have made a mistake. Only have the nemesis one.

[radiant smelt]

I've gotten to Loop 25 and didn't get any of the Y6S1 patches weird

[stiff brook]

@radiant smelt Or it's working as intended as some devs used to say 🙂

yes the bugs are getting ridiculous

[radiant smelt]

Haha

[balmy vault]

thank you

anyone know if its common for there to be skill disable in rooms that dont contain that strobing skill disable beacon? i just planked thinking I was safe behind 4 revives in an electricity room but hive was somehow disabled 😦

[stiff rain]

did you get shocked when you go down?

[rustic bough]

Were you electrocuted before going down

Yoooo

[balmy vault]

I believe so yeah

[stiff rain]

jinx

there you go

[balmy vault]

ahh I understand

damn

loop 19 was my highest

[wild trout]

I did it with a buddy of mine, it was his first time and he got the Vanguard patches. Seems they never updated them.

[radiant smelt]

Damn maybe they have stopped with them in Year 6

[twin geyser]

Some pics of new armpatches in DM would be nice. My friend got to loop 40 last weekend - got nothing

[sturdy plinth]

please fix some skill in descent.

[mossy moon]

Any update on the arm patches?
Deafeat nemesis and loop 10 - 40?

[undone warren]

As far as I know/seen only the nemesis patch. Which you get by going to loop 8 and then defeating nemesis.

[stiff brook]

No arm patches except the nemesis one for now this season
. Maybe it's a bug or maybe it's intended, we don't know nothing was communicated by massive.

[stiff brook]

It's a bug for sure, people are getting vanguard arm patches but we are in the first rogue season. Someone forgot to push/change the code

[teal fiber]

Hello. The arm patch to complete loop 10, 20, 30 y 40 are still available or they delete them with the update ? I got to loop 42 yesterday and got nothing 😭

[wraith mountain]

New season didn't add new patches.

[dusk niche]

Again, they added a nemesis patch

[nocturne hedge]

We do have a nemesis patch though

[wraith mountain]

He's talking about patches for completing loops 10/20/30/40.

[teal fiber]

Yes

[stiff brook]

Here we go with the Gluttony rotation again. I guess i'll finish my 18 last named BP another time.

[barren sparrow]

If I understood the patch notes the issue with the patches wasn’t addressed at all. That’s a bummer.

[crimson garnet]

Man wish you could reroll the exotic talents/skills and weapons

[strange radish]

gluttony and sloth are horrible fr

[fading swift]

None of the skill sets are really all that bad if all you are going for is a nemesis run. But for deep runs…well…

[icy grove]

Ubisoft claims Tier parches should be there :

Thanks for sharing the Discord post and your usernames. We have opened a report to our developers for an investigation, if these Arm Patches with Tiers should be available in Y6S1 "First Rogue" too or if they can be added.

[ashen bloom]

Just an information you probably knew already: the amount of NSA tech you get from the nemesis depends on the loop you are killing him and it doesn't seem to be affected by the random boss rooms encounters.

[wraith mountain]

It sounds more like they don't know themselves.

[rain helm]

whats the rotation today?

[rustic bough]

Gluttony I heard

[sleek mountain]

Any word on any blueprints for this season. I only got like 3

I had some caches already and then bought some

[dawn igloo]

Only for this season's named gear. They haven't added the rest

[twin geyser]

I got four blueprints from the start of Y6S1

From Descent, I mean

[undone warren]

Same ^ the last season with grown great, born great, carpenter and backbone is still bugged and not dropping.

[undone warren]

This season you should’ve gotten the thorn, like glue, eagle’s grasp and bober.

[stiff brook]

Wrath rotation again. Nice. time to farm the last named BP

[tepid canopy]

any news on the tier patches (loop 10,20,30,40)? Are they still bugged?

[twin geyser]

I really wish they don't any of them again. I got all previous tier 1 patches, but it's such a slog in current time-stretching manner:
Run to the terminal - run to the hall - wait for difficulty levels to appear - run to the door - wait for the beginning. Delete all this and your runs will be 50% faster

[nocturne hedge]

And the 10 seconds timer at every room. Maybe a ready-up feature to instantly spawn ads?

[steel spoke]

And why not give us a choice of theses Talents rotations... Instead of forcing us... That would be nice...

[cyan totem]

probably because it’d show how bad some of the rotations are tbh

[steel spoke]

Indeed but some might like them... we never know lol

[cyan totem]

it’d be nice

[dusk niche]

Descent was a free update and it'll probably not get much work anytime soon. They didn't even introduce new talents this season

[twin geyser]

• still only 5/7 sins rotations

[dusk niche]

Yes the five deadly sins
Wonder what happened to those two

[rustic bough]

Well said

[noble wraith]

With the wrath rotation now, which talent is better Obliterate or Intimidate ?!

[humble halo]

5 deadly sin on 11 days rotation

[stiff brook]

I always take obliterate. with bullet hell, it's golden

[hidden lantern]

hi all 1 question, descent perfect no down no dead ?

[stiff brook]

yes no down so no death

[stiff brook]

What are your best wrath rotation builds for a team run ?

[ashen bloom]

And it's hard when nemesis can throw a lot of turrets and he can no-scope you with one shot from cover 🤡

[rustic bough]

Don't bring turrets into the Nemesis fights then

[twin geyser]

Sadly, they don't care about your skills. We tried with my mate to have blinder + pulse scan. As a result, shock traps, oxidizer and something else (I forgot) were used against us

[sacred shuttle]

Did they gave OXI to Nemesis? 🥲

None of us had it but Nemesis had it????

[pine siren]

if you have a skill that Nemesis can't have, they get a random substitute instead (one from the same base type if possible, completely random if not)

eg nemesis can't use decoy, reviver hive, pulse skills, etc

[sacred shuttle]

So we were unlucky af

[pine siren]

yeah oxi is a pretty unlucky one to get

[sacred shuttle]

Ayee too bad

[dusk niche]

Unless they've patched it nemesis can use decoy, but not if you have a decoy for whatever reason

[pine siren]

well that makes total sense /s

[dusk niche]

Had nemesis once at least use decoy but can't remember what skills I had

But yeah makes no sense

[spark breach]

I've had Nemesis with decoy, when I only had 1 skill

[oblique patrol]

What's everyone's highest loop? :)

[red ledge]

For me, its 18

[stiff brook]

I suppose that when you don't have any named BP given by the reconstructed caches, it means that you got all the named BP ? I'm at 502 out of 510

[stiff rain]

yes

[stiff brook]

Ok so the named BP missing from the loot pool are : Born Great, Shield Splinterer, Big Show, Grown Great, Backbone, Carpenter, Hunter Killer ?

[stiff rain]

it's pinned in here btw. and that sounds about right

shield splinterer and hunter killer are intentionally excluded, but i think the rest are bugged

[stiff brook]

@stiff rain Thx for answering. And thx also for pointing me to the pinned message. I never paid attention to it before

[rustic bough]

What?

When was this?

[copper goblet]

Solo around 33 and group 98

[twilit whale]

ohhhh, so that's why I didn't any patch this morning. I had thought my crash at loop 41 caused this.

[twilit whale]

always glad to have Roter from Wish as our souce of information

[stiff rain]

lmao

[oblique patrol]

Jesus, nice!

[harsh violet]

30

[wild trout]

Maybe it’s Proxy / Combustor instead of Shield Splinterer / Hunter-Killer? I don’t know, does it show 512 total BPs for those with those 2 unlocked?

[main gyro]

Jfc

[plain kestrel]

Where do you get blueprints from in descent?

[cyan totem]

Reconstructed Caches

[plain kestrel]

@cyan totem is that given after beating nemesis? The caches that auto go in our inv?

[cyan totem]

there's a 50% chance after nemesis, and 100% chance after loop 30. Nemesis is the best way to farm them though.

[plain kestrel]

Me and my friend playing descent, I was the group/session owner. I DC'd on the fight right before nemesis. I logged back in and my buddy is still in and is ready to fight nem. But, he can't invite me back it says 'session owner missing'. How do i get back in?

[frail knoll]

As far as I know, you can't join someone that's already playing Descent. You could when Descent first released but was being exploited, so that feature was removed.

[plain kestrel]

that sucks it was my session too. I crashed in the arena right before the nemesis fight

it was only my 2nd run. This time i took my buddy for his first go. He had to fight nem by himself

[shy belfry]

wait so neme drop reconst cache??

[drifting vapor]

yh

but

i think they bugged it

cus i was doing high loop

after loop 12, in patches note it said it will have 100% chance of dropping a reconstruct cashe

but i did it mulriple times and it did not dropped

so either theres something wrong or i'm being super unlucky

it happened after the update as well

[wraith mountain]

Link those patch notes? Cause the only thing they increased to 100% past loop 12 was bonus reward chance, which does not equal reconstructed cache.

[drifting vapor]

it was year 5 season 2

oh nvm then

which means i'm super unlucky then

[wild trout]

Nemesis - 50% chance
Loop 15 - 75% chance
Loop 18 - 90% chance
Loop 25 - 1 Guaranteed
Loop 30 - 2 Guaranteed

I have a pic, but can’t post it

[barren sparrow]

Has anyone noticed that it crashes more after 21.0?

[twin geyser]

Just to highlight another stupidity regarding Descent Y6S1 Nemesis Arm Patch. To get it - you must beat nemesis after loop 8. But there's a catch - in 97% cases you won't be able to do that because you simply can't get enough hard rooms and 0 boss rooms throughout the whole run

I swear, they haven't done a single (ok, recon caches for NSA tech was good, I admit) good thing to this mode. Tons of feedback / suggestions ignored

[twilit whale]

wut

that's stupid af

[twin geyser]

Yeap. You can run 5 times and never get enough % to be able to start loop 8 BEFORE Nemesis

Mathematically, you must get 14% per loop on average (14x7 = 98%), to finish loop 7 at 98% Nemesis Heat

It means 1 Medium (5%) + 3 Hard Rooms (9%) every loop. BUUUUT, you sometimes get easy / medium multiple times in a row, completely killing the run for the armpatch

[undone warren]

Has anyone got the tier patch after getting the first rogue nemesis patch?

[fossil glacier]

Is the DMR you can get with the Descent Credits good?

The exotic one

[cyan totem]

it's ok, not really worth running over other options though

[fossil glacier]

Gotcha, cause I was looking at it and it would work well with a few gear sets. I like to build craft and what not

[jolly cave]

When discussing div2 guns, it's best to stick with the ingame terms, otherwise it can get a bit confusing.
Especially since we already have 3 entirely separate gun types with the word "rifle" in the name.

[nocturne hedge]

I was so lucky i got it first try lol

[red ledge]

Same

[wraith mountain]

Possible you've got it after patch release when it was bugged and you could get it on lower loops. I.e. for me it was after loop 6.

[balmy vault]

anyone know if its possible to prevent the auto logout timer when in decent on PC?

[rustic bough]

If you have a controller, tie a rubber band to the right stick and handle

Then auto-run

So your agent just runs in a circle

[balmy vault]

you are a blessing thank you

[rocky bison]

use macro keys on your keyboard

[balmy vault]

got it, I will look into this also. thank you

this gamemode is an emotional rollercoaster

[tiny barn]

hey do you guys know where you can find a group for descent?

[red ledge]

#lfg-pc

[tiny barn]

thanks

[rustic bough]

so I used this method, chose a door but did not enter the room. I set my agent to run around in a circle and went afk. when I came back, I'm dead in the room. I am so confused.

[junior swan]

They really oughta just add checkpoints like in Summit or something

Even if it cost descent currency

[harsh violet]

what's the rotation today?

[twin geyser]

It works only before changing the loop

[rustic bough]

Sloth

[harsh violet]

guess I'm not playing

[rustic bough]

no, I suspect it's my monitor turning off causing my controller to not work and hence me autorunning straight into the room

[twin geyser]

We had this exact issue - there is a timer, if you pick a door but don't go inside. The game gives some time then auto teleports everyone inside and force start the wave. The only room where it doesn't work is the boss room before you go to the next cycle

[rustic bough]

There's a timer when in a group. No timer when solo

Oh cool, so I got auto teleported

[upper delta]

Descent Suggestion:
Give 1 of those comms per completed boss room.

Not everyone has the time or patience to do this 72 times.

[twin geyser]

Closer to the end of the season you start getting much more than 1 comm, like a catch-up mechanics

[upper delta]

That's cool, but still...
The other day I thought "let's do more than just the Nemesis" and i got to loop 24.
But still just 1 comm as a reward.

Every other content has 16 comms/collectibles and they basically give it away, but in Descent you have to play for an hour to get 1 comm and there are 72 of them.
Should be the other way around (reward wise).

[fresh merlin]

yeah there is too much collectibles tied to descent clearly

if the mode was enjoyable this wouldnt be a problem but still, 72 is WAY too much

i already dont like having to do white oak 15 times for collectibles, and thats still a cool mission

now imagine 72 times a bad mode

[twin geyser]

25 mins once per week is ok, tbh

[dusk niche]

You should get a collectible per nemesis run, for all the collectibles that have been released. Someone starting today is in for a long grind lol

And adding season related "lore" to descent (which they're doing again after the recruiter season) with how the audios are obtained is imo a bit problematic

[balmy vault]

hi. anyone know if it's possible to check how many stacks of incessant chatter you have?

[stiff rain]

there should be an icon in the buff bar for that

[balmy vault]

hm, there is but it seems like its either there or not there. i will test more

yea seems to only be an indication its active, no info on stacks

I guess remembering base rate of fire and doubleing it to confirm its maxed could work

I think

[upper smelt]

There's a number, it's just a bit hard to see

[balmy vault]

omg youre right

thank you

[balmy vault]

thank you vm

[balmy vault]

just killed nemesis, as the stats page is loading I hear "agent killed" and the sim ends. had revive too. i want to speak to a manager

[fast wing]

you killed the manager, so no refunds.

but yeah, had that once aswell, with a turret that killed me after i killed the nemesis

[humble halo]

They added new manager NPCs to descent?

[red ledge]

Huh?

The only NPC related to Descent that I'm aware of is Wally who basically acts as the NSA store in the Castle settlement

[ashen bloom]

The manager Alexander Ortiz is on Nat's bunker, please try again later.

[celest dove]

how does descent work? did a couple of rooms and nothing really happened

[ashen bloom]

You need to improve your character with the talents choices you get after every room. After four rooms, you will have a boss in the fifth room of each loop.
When the nemesis heat reaches 100% you will have a boss fight with him on the next loop (he is basically an OP hunter).

[celest dove]

a loop is rooms of the same difficulty?

[ashen bloom]

Each room has three difficulties (easy, medium and hard. You chose your way to the final room) but the enemies will get stronger after each loop. (It's similar to cod zombies)

[celest dove]

i was doing the easy ones

[balmy vault]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

anyone know if the modifier rotation is static?

[stiff rain]

greed!!

[balmy vault]

we have been blessed

[balmy vault]

i learned the 'electricity disables revive' lesson again the very first room after nemesis. state wide ban on happiness in Jimville believe me u

[rocky bison]

No ?

[rustic bough]

Yes

[twin geyser]

Confirmation that those, who decided to put Nemesis Arm Patch after loop 8 are clowns - started loop 7 at 84% - finished loop 7 and got 100% (got 2 medium rooms in last loop).
I was picking all hard rooms (got 2 boss rooms too) but sometimes was forced to take medium rooms because of absence of heroic rooms. You can't predict anything so obtaining this arm patch is completely random and based on unreal level of luck

[rustic bough]

can we blame those who wanted shorter Nemsis runs? or maybe not, it was Massive's decision to raise the heat gain per room cleared

[dusk niche]

Room heat % is rng, it took me 1 or 2 runs before I managed to get to loop 8 and get the patch

[balmy vault]

I now agree.

[balmy vault]

does anyone know if multiple charges of revive hive does anything solo?

[stiff rain]

nope

all charges are used if you revive yourself with it

[balmy vault]

damn, got it thank you

[twin geyser]

Already 7 runs without luck to start loop 8 before nemesis fight

[rustic bough]

RNG means:
The moRe runs you attempt, the more uNlucky you will Get

[twin geyser]

Painful but true

[dusk niche]

oof guess I got lucky. Didn't take long after knowing the requirements, but still sucks
Probably done by design to force grinding descent for it

[twin geyser]

Thanks god no more loop 10-20-30-40 arm patches

[wraith mountain]

Possible this is unintended and they will add them back.

[balmy vault]

do you guys use shotguns much? i just killed nemesis in nearly a single clip and for context im not good die a lot

[red ledge]

I do use shotguns. Sometimes AA12, bust mostly Super 90.

They're very good for me when I play Descent

[balmy vault]

i never believed they would be so wildy good

u can take time and line up shots bc its only gunna take 1

[balmy vault]

I do not remember what I used but I will record next time to share with you

[stiff rain]

super 90 and m870 are my preferred rogue killers

both are already good outside descent

[balmy vault]

i like super 90 in main game

not sure about m870 ill see if i can find one this run

[stiff rain]

m870 in main game is used in headhunter

it can one shot everything in heroic and in legendary almost everything

[balmy vault]

sounds like the sauce

[twin geyser]

Another run (8-th) with more than 7 medium rooms

[ashen bloom]

The thing is RNG is random but not completely I guess, because if that was the case, you gonna tell me that me getting THREE random boss rooms in a row is random.

[jolly cave]

You can roll a d6 dice 100 times and get all 6's.
the R in RNG stands for Random.

[balmy vault]

how its coded might not be completely random if thats what he meant but i think it still could be. that sounds like a fringe case

[twin geyser]

Theoretically, it's possible to go to loop 9 before nemesis (12x8 = 96%) but practically it will never happen, because the game just slaps you with medium rooms again and again

[vagrant wind]

I am trying to matchmake for Descent, but it's so long and unsuccessful. Could you tell me pls what region or country is playing it a lot? Thx!

[wraith mountain]

It's a dead game mode. And currently it has one of the worst talent pools active. Your best bet would be waiting for a better pool and use lfg.

[vagrant wind]

@wraith mountain thx a lot, I will have to be more patient, wanted to do all the commendations....:(

[wraith mountain]

Yeah for commendations you should definitely look for a group in lfg. Though technically you only need extra people only for one, which requires 4 player team defeat nemesis without getting downed. But better wait for envy/wrath pool and it should be easy to group up.

[vagrant wind]

Thx @wraith mountain, at least something to wait for............:)

[twin geyser]

You can cheese 4-man no down nemesis kill commendation) the method is still working

[wraith mountain]

What method?

Idk if you need any tho, just hold lmb on a mob until it dies, repeat 4 times.

[twin geyser]

Yeah, just don't forget that Nemesis shreds you in pieces in 2 seconds + can use multiple skills of the same time + it equals the amount of people in your group + multiplies HP x4 per one, if you're in full squad.
But yeah, good luck with holding lmb on Nemesis 💀👍

[wraith mountain]

As long as you don't have people picking some goofy blue talents/cores, works fine. So what's the other method anyway?

[twin geyser]

Full red - but against 4 spamming stingers you don't have lots of chances

Commendation tells you to kill nemesis in a group of 4 without dropping (even on your knee) ... But all you have to do is start loop 1 in a group of 4, then people leave and you're good to go alone (or duo)

[vagrant wind]

@twin geyseris it way easier to survive Nemesis solo?

[twin geyser]

Yes, especially with fire ammo

[vagrant wind]

thx man, I'll have to try that solo as MM sadly doesn't give much group mates anyway......

[twin geyser]

Small price for saving nerves

[twin geyser]

3 medium rooms in a row - what a pathetic clown show

now the button is inactive, lmao

[twin geyser]

finally got it - 10 runs (about 8 hours wasted)

[rocky bison]

the medium rooms appear even more since that TU

[atomic wigeon]

lol, sloth again. Is there any danger that planned future fixes will include some method so as to not get sloth every other rotation??

[rustic bough]

@stiff rain SLOTH

[stiff rain]

SLOTH

[rustic bough]

legit 2nd best rotation

[stiff rain]

💀

[rustic bough]

okay 2nd most fun rotation

[balmy vault]

the one with chatterbox and blood suck is the promise land

[rustic bough]

which is none of them

[balmy vault]

bullet king*

[young agate]

So many times I get nemesis on solo runs that either have different skills than me or different variations, so I decided to be saucy and build a full-blown oxidizer build, and wouldn't you know that's the time the nemesis decided to copy my skills😬

He nearly smoked me with just one charge but I was able to go brute-force scorched earth on him

[wraith mountain]

Yeah that mechanic is kind of goofy. Some skills get copied, some skills get replaced by different skill of same category, some get replaced by skills of specific generic pool.

[twin geyser]

Sometimes you're spammed by the same skill with almost no delay - 3 stingers one after another it's not a game mechanic, but lazy crap

[young agate]

It's wild that I've never encountered the multi-skill tbh, feel like I've encountered and been done dirty by every other quirky happening

[rustic bough]

What's more egregious is if there are 3 skills stacked on one another, if you use an EMP sticky, only one gets jammed

[balmy vault]

do you guys like to use revive hive pre nemesis? been on the fence recently. starting to think its not worth until post

[stiff rain]

i ditched it but in a duo i have my teammate run it since he doesn't really use both skills in tandem

[balmy vault]

brave man. i will join you then brother in your solo* hiveless faith. may it bring us salvation

[young agate]

I always run it when I can against nemesis, can never be too careful

[rustic bough]

it's worth having it, especially in a 3- or 4-player group, where the scaling is rough, and gameplay unforgiving if under-prepared

[balmy vault]

thats interesting, never considered scaling. ive only ever solo'd so far but ive heard others mention the same. i always thought solo high score was higher bc there was just no challenge in 4 man. ig its the opposite

glory to hiveless its wrath

about to make the craziest mad bomber build the world has ever seen

these loops about to be cooked

[young agate]

Good luck you mad lad

[young agate]

Got to loop 6 then the game crashed 🙃

[modern apex]

I'm in the same boat as you. I've always used the Reviver Hive against the Nemesis until one run he wouldn't leave the Hive's side (he had a Restorer variant), and unfortunately that cost me the entire run... He downed me and then killed me blind firing after I got up.

Honestly I'd say from a solo player perspective the Reviver Hive would be beneficial after the Nemesis room.

Before that, any skills that won't do any harm to you such as Blinder Firefly, EMP Sticky or Chem Launcher (easily avoidable IMO) for example would be best because he copies the skills you use or a variant of the skill such as the Restorer Hive if you are using the Reviver.

[twin geyser]

If one day Nemesis stops hacking skills and we'll be able to keep upgrading yellow cores (like we can with red and blue) - I'll try yellow skill build

[ashen bloom]

Sometimes the nemesis is just ridiculous sometimes, I got like 3 blue core and a bulkward shield with vanguard, a single hive (I wasn't using hive so I think nemesis skills are random sometimes) managed to take all of my armor and the bleeding killed me in like 2 seconds. And the hive just ignored my shield.

[idle marten]

@ashen bloom I think the nemesis would have the same skills as you would.

[ashen bloom]

If you have one or two skills missing (skipped). nemesis got random skills. But there are some that it can't use like the shield or decoy.

[idle marten]

@ashen bloom ahh, ok

[young agate]

Can you imagine if nemesis was allowed to use revive hive

[ashen bloom]

I think it wouldn't work, if I'm not wrong, there is a named true son on DZ that has reviver hive but it only revives enemy npcs but not the owner of the hive.

[young agate]

I mean just the concept of seeing the nemesis get back up after defeating it 😬

[red ledge]

Yeah, I'd cry

[young agate]

It just pulls you out of the results screen and it smokes you before you can react

[ashen bloom]

Yeah it would say it's Keener's time and keenered all over us.

[young agate]

lol

[twin geyser]

So it falls in 5 seconds again?

[young agate]

Sometimes, like last night when I had an MG5/bullet hell/plague/surgical/obliterate/strained build with hollow-point rounds cooking pretty good

[stiff rain]

or just 3 tap them with m870 intimidate

[young agate]

There's more than just those two items to that formula I suspect

[stiff rain]

oh absolutely, it's just intimidate is the biggest buff

at tier 10 you're dealing 2.71x your original damage, then it being an amp means you can stack it with gunslinger+versatile too

[balmy vault]

100% agree for solo. riot foam/decoy Ill always pick up if I see either pre, otherwise just nothing with damage to try and keep fights consistent. ill pick up striker drone/turret for clear speed but always trade before fight.

[young agate]

Any kind of sticky bomb can be good too, nemesis telegraphs it forever, shoots it past you when you're in cover, never pops it which makes the cool down long, and they can't turn yours against you

[stiff rain]

would also add that emp sticky is 100% worth taking as well

it's a busted skill anywhere in the game

[calm patrol]

now season character not coming to update, can we get more content to descent, more weapon, more talent, or new environment, I really don't care about need to lore specific place to explain it but I need new scenery to play Descent.

[calm patrol]

need reviver hive pre or post, its like second wind, and for second skill pre nemesis its always Riot Foam or blinder but prefer Foam because Enemy stop move than blind.
post nemesis maybe defender good or striker for enemy always run away or veteran and elite sniper with one-shot they got

[balmy vault]

no kidding, will have to try this

[balmy vault]

I hear that. post def for me too, I feel like I lose so much momentum if I die during the fight with revive anyway that its more consistent just using two active skills

[balmy vault]

just got 3rd exotic end of loop 4. am i the chosen one?

[red ledge]

I had that happen before when I lost in a few runs before I got to Nemesis

I personally see it as the game mode taking pity on me.

[balmy vault]

lol well i just got 4th exotic at end of 5 so i think its just mocking me now

[balmy vault]

UPDATE: i am not the chosen one

[stiff rain]

rip

[rustic bough]

RNG do be RNG

once I got exotic talents from loops 5 through to 9

and another time, loops 1-3

and it went to the other side of the spectrum, like getting the third exo talent at loop 17

[balmy vault]

haha man seeing 1-3 must have actually been trippy. i just blew a 3 exotic by 4 run earlier humbled by the gatekeeper and now im passing 12 praying on a 2nd

[young agate]

I once didn't get a second exotic talent until loop 16

[balmy vault]

christ. im talked myself into resetting bad l1 exotics solely from the fear of that timeline

[balmy vault]

does anyone know if there is any definitive indication of what parts of the floor will shock you in electricity rooms? I see wires and sparks but there doesnt seem to be any real indicator of what tiles are affected

[young agate]

It's the same areas every time but I've never noticed any specific delineation of those areas

[balmy vault]

got you ok, at least it's static. thank you

[viscid leaf]

Is there a bug or is it intended for me to one shot most enemies and bosses on loop 15 solo with only 60 percent weapon damage and two offensive talents over 6? I've been doing 67k on most enemies with an SVD and am not sure where all of that damage is coming from?

[stiff rain]

intimidate and/or versatile?

oh gluttony, maybe you had busy little bee procced. but one shotting enemies on loop 15 isn't that hard anyways

[viscid leaf]

Neither. Composure and Overwatch. Busy Bee stacks have not been activated at all. With it active I can do around 80k.

[stiff rain]

theoretically you will triple your damage with all blb stacks

each stack gives you 1.2x

er, 1 stack gives 1.2x, 2 stacks give 1.4x, so on

what are your red and yellow talents?

also opportunistic, but it requires you to land 1 shot to proc first for the next shots to get buffed, so technically not "one-shot"

[humble halo]

Blb with Regicide

[viscid leaf]

Just used all of my stacks on a boss on loop 17. Did 164k to the head with Agonizing bite, Overwatch 7, Composure 6, Optimist 3 but mag was full, Vigilance 2. Might've had a buff from Empathetic Resolve with 6 skill tiers and still at 6 red cores.

[stiff rain]

eh empathic resolve buff is so miniscule

what are your yellow talents? surely opportunistic is there

[viscid leaf]

Opportunistic 2.

[stiff rain]

it seems like your 67k damage is without blb then

that's actually big, but it's not anything to doubt

[viscid leaf]

Alright. Just seemed a bit high for the SVD and not much damage buffs for it but maybe I have more buffs than I realize.

[stiff rain]

from what i can see it seems your damage is mostly focused on your total weapon damage

[stiff rain]

you have a total of 178% twd, then optimist also proccing even on your first bullet, 20% from agonizing first bullet also

it's not unreasonable, especially since in solo enemies are relatively squishy

you'll be glad to know in the stronger rotations that have intimidate, your damage will skyrocket even higher and more often

[viscid leaf]

Got it. I'll keep that in mind. I usually use Intimidate on the Wrath pool with Bloodsucker.

[stiff rain]

yeah that's the key for high loop

[jolly cave]

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[stoic knot]

Nice one 😂

[zenith shore]

Just quick question, did they removed the bullet hell,sandman,plague of outcasts... and other good exo talents or am I really unlucky? The last 10-15 exotic talents choose was not there

[dusk niche]

It's the talent rotation, you played when those talents weren't in the rotation

[zenith shore]

@dusk niche thx, I didnt know that

[young agate]

You can check what talents are available at any given time during a run one tab over from the loadout tab, you can also see them before launching

[zenith shore]

L@young agate thx, good to know, Im returning player, didnt played at least a year

[young agate]

Didn't get a blueprint out of a reconstructed cache yesterday, anyone else encounter this?

[stiff rain]

means you're full

[nocturne hedge]

check the bench, you maxed out most likely

[young agate]

I'm 503/510 with current rewards track done, something else I'm missing?

[stiff rain]

that's all of them

[undone warren]

I'm at 477, seems like im never gonna get the hunters fury and belstone stuff.

But ive got every bp from reconstructed cache.

[young agate]

Glad I asked, though I do wonder if it counts the hunter-killer I got before they pulled it from the drop pool

[stiff rain]

yeah those will probably never come unfortunately

[stiff rain]

if you got hunter killer and shield splinterer bps, you still have them iirc. i didn't get to play when they were still there so i only got 502

[mortal plover]

Guys any advice if I want to reach higher loops!

Not solo
With team

[mighty tartan]

Wait what blueprints are no longer dropping

[stiff rain]

in pinned message, they should be crossed out

[deep ether]

I haven’t touched Descent in a while, I decided to run it solo yesterday & today and I had one glaring issue (I played on both Sloth & Wrath talent pools), and that is ammo. Once I reach Loop 17 I believe it is (when 3 waves of NPCs are in each room, except random boss room), ammo is just wiped after that 3rd wave. The problem is even worse when the supply station is at the second room, I ended up having to do about half of the Arena on loop 18 with a pistol. I just cut it off at that point because it’s not sustainable & just takes up too much time.

Do any of you encounter this issue as well or have ideas on how to manage ammo better? An obvious solution could be to opt for more Red stat upgrades at the end of a loop, but some of those rooms get pretty wild, especially with Black Tusk’s grenade/drone spam & literally everything being on fire with the Outcasts, I liked to have a cushion of blues for that. I have no idea how people are making it to loop 100+ solo.

I tried to mitigate the issue a bit by opting for higher dmg/lower RPM weapons but it only helped a little bit.

Would trading blue cores for red be the best way? I don’t think “Bullet Hell” was actually replenishing any ammo either.

[stiff rain]

what are your damage talents?

i think it's just a damage issue

[deep ether]

The run I just ended was Intimidate/Vigilance both at 10. Allegro at 7, Surgical at 8, Obliterate at 2 I believe. Was running an L86 & M870. Prefer RPK but it blows through more ammo.

[stiff rain]

on wrath?

[light knoll]

shouldve used lmg with pummel instead of bullet king talent replaced with something else

[deep ether]

Yeah, that was Wrath. I was using Composure/Overwatch on Sloth, got delta’ed at 15.

[stiff rain]

don't use overwatch, especially solo. it's not worth

[deep ether]

I did think of that, using Sandman instead of Bullet Hell. When you don’t have to reload, you definitely blow through more ammo

[stiff rain]

but intimidate and vigilance shouldn't make it too bad, maybe switch to another weapon type instead of lmg?

you can run smg too and run versatile to be even stronger