td2-descent

[robust junco]

was using the shortgun, could be 870s

[balmy finch]

M870

[dusk niche]

Depends more on the talents than the shotgun model

Hate reloading so BH, IC and maybe salvage are a must

[humble halo]

If you are doing nemesis run m870 pummel is nice

Cause it gives ammo and m870 hits hard

[pine siren]

Breathe free is great for shotguns as the buff lasts for ages, basically a free 75% amp

[timid mauve]

BH for M870/super 90, IC for ACS12, agonizing butt + fast hand for SASG12, breathe free work great for all, headshot talent for short run, CHC/CHD talent for long

[balmy finch]

Why

Pummel is useless because you don't get kills in nem fight

[humble halo]

Free ammo

[humble halo]

Before nemisis

You can clear pretty quick with minimum ammo wastage

For nemisis it is trauma and dps

Also eyless and sadist are nice with trauma

[balmy finch]

Those are red talents right

[humble halo]

Yellow all three

[balmy finch]

Ew then no

Empowered + perpetuation

[humble halo]

20% amp

[humble halo]

20from eyless and 20 from sadist

[balmy finch]

k

[humble halo]

And trauma inflict bleed and blind

So guaranteed status and guaranteed amp you have fire ammo to

[balmy finch]

And trauma inflect status effect

[humble halo]

Can go the burn one

[balmy finch]

Assuming your rng is good enough to get incendiary ammo

[humble halo]

The 3 talent for me oppo

Trauma

Eyeless or sadist for nemesis

[humble halo]

You can get bleed ammo if you have sadist

[balmy finch]

Ig

I'd still say it safer to go all status

[humble halo]

Rng is such a bi_ch

Lol I got warning for uncensored message

[balmy finch]

Skill Issue

[humble halo]

You type the same message

[balmy finch]

Birch

[humble halo]

Skill issue

[pine siren]

RNG is such a bi­_ch

[coral fox]

if you have kept up with every week of descent, how many comms should you have please?

[humble halo]

xDd

[humble halo]

I saw even your message got warning 🤣

[timid mauve]

23

[balmy finch]

Why was i pinged

[humble halo]

No one pinged the dev lol

[balmy finch]

I literally have proof of being pinged

It was @timid mauve

[humble halo]

The court would like you to show the proof Dev

[humble halo]

Yeah makes sense he pinged you out of the blue

[humble halo]

I think he meant to ping evo and pinged eevee

Skill Issue perhaps

[timid mauve]

my crippled fingers accidentally ping your name, sorry🫡

[balmy finch]

No worries lol don't delete next time

[humble halo]

I remember the last time you almost removed my account using dev powers

[balmy finch]

Lol

[quartz zodiac]

Only got 1 collectible from the Nemesis this week. C'mon guys, stop lying in your patch notes

[next ivy]

Wats good everybody

[twin geyser]

More weekly collectibles added means you have more to collect every week, but not more per week

[nocturne hedge]

i see what you did there

[nocturne hedge]

whats the lie here? we used to have 17 comms and now we have 52

reading is hard i know

[fierce sinew]

What are the multiplicative damage talents in descent? How to tell if a telent damage is multiplicative or additive?

[robust junco]

Exotics: Adaptive Instincts, Incessant Chatter, Bloodsucker
Red: Composure, Vigilance, Allegro, Surgical, Obliterate
Yellow: Steady handed, Lucky, Extra
Blue: Preservation, Adrenaline Rush

Weapon: MG5/M60 and S90/M870/AR
Skills: Decoy and Revive
Stats upgrades: All Armor

is this good enough for descent?

[nocturne hedge]

Go all damage instead of all armor

[robust junco]

i will be able to survive in higher loops?

[nocturne hedge]

Depends on your cover and positioning

[dusk niche]

I would go blue upgrades and prioritize red talents but it depends on your playatyle

[quartz zodiac]

That was there from the season start, dumbass.

[nova comet]

You dont need to use that kind of language.

[nocturne hedge]

But the patch notes for that update didnt mention it

[kindred locust]

Does anyone have the chart that shows the percentage chance of the reconstruction caches dropping? (I think it’s all rewards but mostly looking at what loops make the % go up for them)

[stiff brook]

@kindred locust sent you the Ubisoft page link by DM as i don't know if i can post links in here

[kindred locust]

Thank you @stiff brook !

[dry gate]

Can I get the link as well?

[frozen violet]

@kindred locust @dry gate sent pm

[dry gate]

Thanks

[balmy finch]

Go to lfg channel

[humble halo]

1/12 as always fuck this mode

[nocturne hedge]

Lmao

[timid mauve]

Descent mode turns people to depress mode

[nocturne hedge]

Descent to depression

I'll see myself out

[timid mauve]

at least you had 12 EC👍

[ionic plover]

Im just wondering when the devs are gonna fix the armor kit issue on descent

[ocean olive]

Hi, does anyone know what is current number of released comms for descent?

[pine siren]

23 I think

[spark crest]

Is there anyway to stop the game kicking you back to character selection so I can take a break 🤣

[pine siren]

Make an anti afk macro or leave a weight on a key

[ember basin]

I'm already kill the namisis 8 times in this week,but I only get one restruction cache,where's my 50% chance...

[jolly cave]

Just a note: macro's for keys are in the "use at your own risk" area. There's nothing banning them AFAIK, but if you do get banned for it don't be too surprised.

[pine siren]

true, to my mind if the macro isn't giving you any real advantage, like an afk one, then the risk is pretty minimal - if you've got one set up for tombs farming or something, then that might raise a few flags

[jolly cave]

I have 0 issues with using them for things like opening caches or stopping someone from going AFK, but since I have about as much say in the development of this game as my cousin's cat does, It pays to be a little bit careful.

[spark crest]

I'm probably safer not risking it. Put to much time into this

[twin geyser]

It's mentally hard to manually open 2700+ vanity caches 💀

[nocturne hedge]

oh yeah

[nocturne hedge]

7 more BPs left...

[nocturne hedge]

make that 6

[twin geyser]

Can someone give me a quick reminder about the amount of comms we have if we don't skip a single week. Is it 23/52?

[timid mauve]

@twin geyser yes

[pine siren]

#lfg-pc

[true haven]

Our team put an huge amount of time in farming the reconstructed caches from Descent, we almost got all blueprints. We made an excel sheet where you can see what the blueprints it drops

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aAq6UkW_SAUn1tiVYMsNH2bDz7c7Er9Z1iUcZCgOWtY/edit?usp=sharing

[balmy finch]

what is "possible items"

[nova comet]

I assume it would be items they've heard can drop from the reconstructed caches, but they havent verified.

[trail crow]

I can confirm contractor gloves

I got them recently and may have a snapshot

Yup, I've got a snapshot but I can't share it in this channel. Just lmk if you'd like it posted somewhere

[teal fiber]

Hello. What is the best way to get loop 40? With only damage or protection or both?

[rustic bough]

Ultimately it doesn't matter. I've gotten there one way or another. If you wanna play it safe, go half red half blue. Leadership and Bloodsucker should make your armor more relevant from loop 30 onwards, but ideally you need as much damage as you can get.

[teal fiber]

@thanks with low armor enemies skills kill me easily. 🥲

Then I tried more armor and still npc took more time to kill and kill me easy

[topaz dirge]

what is the point of decent?

[twin geyser]

Blueprint farm. Other than that it's too boring and slogging

[nocturne hedge]

im only 6 BPs away. once thats done ill get the loop 40 arm patch and never touch this shit again

[silk hatch]

Lf1 for descent

[nova comet]

Plz use the LFG channels for LFG requests

[nocturne hedge]

lol mine got removed

[humble halo]

Lol

[nocturne hedge]

omg we getting healer warhounds? this week's comm was interesting 👀

[timid mauve]

are u sure they don't give new blueprints in new season?

[nocturne hedge]

please no

i cant take it anymore

[nocturne hedge]

make that 5

[humble halo]

1/12 still

[teal fiber]

Hello. Anybody knows if after loop 30 with an all blue I will be able to kill npc? Between loop 30-40?

[nocturne hedge]

youre gonna have a really hard time with all blue in 30s

[teal fiber]

so it’s better all red? Or a combine ?

@nocturne hedge

[nocturne hedge]

up to you, experiment until you find what works for you

[trail crow]

Do skill tiers go higher than 6?

[nova comet]

no but yes

the max skill tier is always 6, but certain effects can cause you to enter "overcharge" which dramatically increases your skills for a short time

this is in reference to the normal game, but i cant imagine they'd define fully new "tiers" in descent for each skill

[trail crow]

Thank you. I'm interested in other's logic for allocating stats. I generally always pump offense until I get unhinged. I put a point of armor in for each unhinged I get. I will pump in more armor as I am building towards plague of outcast, chatter and adaptive exotics. I'm wondering when or if I should dump into skill if my skills of choice are revive hive and emp pulse.

[nocturne hedge]

In descent its capped at 6

[humble halo]

Do we have some overcharge talents?

[nocturne hedge]

Honestly i dont remember since i never pick tiers

[fierce sinew]

Energizer talent gives you overcharge if already in 6 tier.

[humble halo]

Mhh energize perfect efficient maybe

[fierce sinew]

Yah pair it efficient, you will have infinite overcharge

[humble halo]

Chance to have infinite overcharge medkits

[trail crow]

That's sounds pretty great. What skills do you all opt for once you are at tier 6?

[balmy finch]

Tbh my last run was bulwark and reviver

[rustic bough]

I've wondered how the diluted pool of exotic talents will affect my Descent experience, and spoiler alert, it did negatively impact it. I now feel discouraged to solo Descent. Not only that, I now find it only worthwhile in co-op since if I get bad selections of exotic talents I can hope my teammates don't end up the same way, and vice versa.

[trail crow]

I decided not to go past nemesis while I'm farming for recon caches... Unless I get both plague and chatter within the first 5 loops. Hasn't happened yet lol

I rarely even get one of them

[frozen radish]

Chatter or log out after loop 1 for me

[timid mauve]

the additional talent not meant to solo, Empathic Resolve / Kinetic Momentum are team support, Liberty or Death good for nothing, Regicide high risk in solo, you missed you fked

[twin geyser]

Show me anybody who creates healer builds for descent, which saves from one-tapping 30+ loop enemies 💀

[humble halo]

We should have tardigrade talent for that or unbreakable

[twin geyser]

Wish we could throw away some talents from talents' pool...

[timid mauve]

maybe add some gear set talent, also I need 1886, all rifles are 💩 except M1A

[humble halo]

Yeah and delete 3-4 talents from exo pool

[fierce sinew]

They should add 4th exotic talent choose option

[trail crow]

Would be nice to use NSA credit to reroll exotic talent options

Not sure what else NSA credit is for after you bought everything

[rustic bough]

Bragging rights

Like every other currency in the game

[trail crow]

Are med kits not working in descent?

I just used one and got no armor back

[pine siren]

they're variable, sometimes work sometimes fail

[timid mauve]

RNG weapon, talent and med kit

[pine siren]

since xp gained in descent benefits both spec points and GE stars, anyone tested if it also gets you proficiency ranks on equipped items?

[pine siren]

it does not

[rustic bough]

15 more blueprints to go 😁

[gloomy edge]

I would love to see NSA tech be used for cache purchases sometime

[lone cave]

my first descent i went in i just deathed. what do i pick? is there a certain level i should be?

[timid mauve]

@lone cave the primary goal is defeat nemesis, after that you can go as far as you can, and reward with various caches. If you new to this gamemode, LMG/AR/Shotgun is handy for start, chem launcher/sticky/decoy/firefly is rather safety to use, coz nemesis would replicate your skill thus don't pick turret and stinger hive which is lethal. Exotic talent such as bullet hell/agonizing bite/breathe free/incessant chatter/plague are useful, red talent depends on your play style, trauma also good in nemesis fight. Try to pick red core at the end of loop, but if you need survivability 3/4 red: 1 blue is the way to go. Forget about yellow core since skill build useless in front of nemesis.

[long wyvern]

Since when can i get 3 exotic talents? When last played a few months ago i was only able to get 1

[nocturne hedge]

You've always been able to equip 3 exotic talents

You can only pick one exo talent when offered an exotic talent consloe but you can equip up to 3

[rustic bough]

You're always guaranteed to get an exotic talent on the first loop. Subsequent loops have a chance to give exotic talent choices with increasing chances the deeper you go.

[obtuse comet]

Y’know it’d be kinda interesting if they added a perk shop to the supply chest after beating the Nemesis. Pretty much what you use your points on anyways outside of rerolling talents

[humble halo]

They should allow us to reroll weapons

And skills

Instead of just picking what you got

[nocturne hedge]

Either that, or remove attribute range on weapons

[gentle lagoon]

yesterday i reloaded my gun with bullet hell. it was shooting without reloading but i could reload any time. i've experienced that but once but i dont know how to repeat that. can you tell me how to repeat that?

[nocturne hedge]

Happened to me once but no idea how to replicate

[frigid pebble]

if i run descent in a group will i get my own picks of weapons, talents, exotic talents etc etc or are they shared

[twin geyser]

Random for everyone

[nocturne hedge]

Everyone gets different things

[coarse crag]

Loop 11... 1 exotic talent. Game hates me 😁

[nocturne hedge]

i went up to 15 with only 1

[gloomy edge]

40% chance my ass

You'd have a better time getting Ravenous in an invaded DZ than getting two or even three exotic talents before loop 10

[trail crow]

It happens.

I don't continue unless I get chatter

Chatter > chameleon> bloodsucker 🤙

[frigid pebble]

Are exotic talents randonly spawning or at set loops?

Because i did like 5 loops and had 2

Also does difficulty scale with more players?

[nocturne hedge]

Loop 1 is guaranteed but the rest are RNG

[nocturne hedge]

Yup

[frigid pebble]

Oki

[nocturne hedge]

Exotic chance changes based on current loop:

1: 100%
2-3: 5%
4-6: 25%
7-9: 35%
9+: 40%

[frigid pebble]

Might try doing a solo run again and then a group

Also also does harder rooms give better talents or just more munee?

Also^3 would it be worth cycling descent until i get a good starter weapon (shotgun)

[nocturne hedge]

Just more money for doing the room, doesn't effect the talent

[real vine]

If you feel that you need the shotgun then yes but you can waste a bunch of time trying to get a shotgun

[nocturne hedge]

to be honest with you, no

anything works in the early loops

[hexed whale]

So, how unlucky am I? One Reconstructed Cache out of 12 runs.

[trail crow]

Pretty unlucky

[humble halo]

As unlucky as me

[obtuse moon]

I'm one out of 12 runs as well

[rustic bough]

just had the weirdest de-sync issue with my run. we were a full team, but on my end, all of my teammates were stationary at the spawn room. Then loop by loop my frames started dropping, from 60 fps to 25 fps by the time we reached Nemesis.

[nocturne hedge]

Haven't gotten one in 3 or 4 runs which sucks cause im only 4 caches away from having all

[cosmic stream]

Did descent just remove the shop?

[hexed whale]

The Descent shop near the White House was "empty" on my second character. I checked the Projects tab and there was a Descent project to "Donate Electronics" which was not complete. I donated the electronics for that project and went to the Descent Shop near the White House, which now had the items.

I had completed the Castle's Descent quest (with Wally) and the shop in front of her was working as expected.

[cosmic stream]

Huh

[teal fiber]

Huh x2

[hexed whale]

Let me try to edit that so it looks more comprehensible.

[ionic plover]

Huh x3

There have been a few weird things of late. I can't inspect the characters of anyone in my clan now, I just get empty boxes

[rustic bough]

I'd get that while in the Descent

[terse cairn]

Anyone getting randomly disconnected in descent now?

[trail crow]

Finally got to loop 40. Black tusk is a nightmare above loop 31

Key for me was to get chatter, then bullet hell at 5 stack chatter to lock it in, then adaptive instincts

I used classic m60 and super 90. Game never gave me a blue one so my super 90 was green.

[nocturne hedge]

I believe the game doesn't offer you a weapon you already have equipped

[stiff rain]

having the super 90 equipped means you'll never get another super 90 in the selection. you have to lose it to have it in the pool again

[dusk niche]

Who was the genius that decided to give bosses shock ammo

[balmy finch]

wasnt me

[trail crow]

Yeah it makes sense, thanks for the heads up. Doesn't need to be super 90. I'd take an m870 or sasg too lol. But a blue one never came 😭

[balmy finch]

#lfg-pc

[twin geyser]

Imagine having the ability to upgrade your weapon to better quality (grey - green - blue) for descent currency...

[humble halo]

Imagine having gear shop

[twin geyser]

Imagine having something to spend ANB tech on, almost half a year after the introduction of this currency 💀

[balmy finch]

isnt it exactly half a year

arent we at 26 comms now

[terse cairn]

Anybody else having an uptick in delta-01 in descent now? I have been kicked 5 times in the past three days trying to farm nemesis

[rustic bough]

Holy shit it's been half a year? Whatever happened to my life?

[humble halo]

Lol

[twin geyser]

Oh, yeah, this artificial "content"...

[mighty tartan]

I didn’t know arena bosses could spawn mine traps until last week

[balmy finch]

I think only at higher levels

[timid mauve]

my game goes weird, suddenly can't shoot in 2 seconds, then the mag of super 90 increased from 8 to 11, but I don't have extra nor lucky shot.

[jolly cave]

@rocky bison You're looking for #lfg-pc

[quartz zodiac]

52 now...

Honestly it's dissuading me from doing descent, as it's just mindless repitition for measly crumbs of content, that I can just look up on YT

[balmy finch]

i meant unlocked not cap

and it is 26 lol

[balmy finch]

i like the blueprints

[humble halo]

If you get one in the first place I have gotten more blueprint from dev fucking up cps than in Descent

6 umbra and 6 uzina + setup + spotter = 14 vs 3 from descent

[balmy finch]

I have the season bps already

[humble halo]

I don't have so I am gonna count them thanks dev keep up the bugs

[balmy finch]

I have gift bp u dont

[civic folio]

.

[dusk niche]

Cleaners in 3 out of 5 loops, repetitive rooms repetitive factions

[nocturne hedge]

use lfg channels

[spring gull]

mb i just noticed this was the right channel

[jolly cave]

@tawny rock You're looking for #lfg-pc

[tawny rock]

Thanks 🙏

[gentle lagoon]

53 loops. duo. black tusk.
never choose armor. all damage. 1 skill tier if you are in team. take a cover and blind fire everything.

[rustic bough]

nice job

[twin geyser]

time?

[humble halo]

5hours 11 minutes

[twin geyser]

💀

[balmy finch]

._.

[nocturne hedge]

Bro can play descent when servers are down

[gentle lagoon]

10h

but a lot of rest

[rocky bison]

LFG Descent

join me

Uplay : hoomansa7

[lapis lion]

This channel is for conversations about Descent. For lfg use #lfg-pc

[flint breach]

How do you get access to descent lfg channel @lapis lion

Not seeing it in roles channel

[lapis lion]

For you it's #lfg-xbox

[flint breach]

So not a specific channel for it got it thanks

[burnt pagoda]

Guys, if I die during Descent do I lose the rewards?

Like, If I die in Loop 30 do I lose all the rewards that I would have gotten when I instead returned to DC?

[upper smelt]

No, you only lose the progress

[burnt pagoda]

You sure?

I don’t wanna die on like Loop 36 and lose all caches

I always extracted before and now I am going for a high loop run

[upper smelt]

100% sure

[burnt pagoda]

Happened to you?

[timid mauve]

if you don't trust folks here, why ask in the 1st place LOL

[jolly cave]

There's nothing wrong with confirming info. Div2 is complex enough as-is without accidentally being given the wrong info.
there's more than a few youtubers who still don't know that there's a chc cap.

[quartz zodiac]

Just gonna give up on this mode unless some serious QoL changes are made in the last few seasons of this game. More collectibles in the weekly project, checkpoints for long runs (These should not be more tiresome than raids), and more viable options for solo players than "glass cannon" builds (I almost never find matchmade groups for this)
Right now, after getting all NSA tech upgrades, it's just pointless loot farming with more tedium.

[balmy finch]

more collectibles than a years worth?

.-.

[balmy finch]

theres the exclusive blueprints you can farm for; also they said they arent gonna add checkpoints

[quartz zodiac]

Not really that interesting when I already have all the loot for those items that I would want. It's a very weak reward unless you're a diehard of this game.

[balmy finch]

its a nice to have so you dont have to farm some items if you want unicorn variants for whatever youre making

[quartz zodiac]

Getting ONE comm is pathetic. 3 would be better.
Otherwise, I'm just going to YouTube to hear someone who put in all the grunt work for me

[balmy finch]

id disagree with it being "pathetic" but its not that much work to do one descent run per week imo

[quartz zodiac]

Like I said, I have all my builds. It's the best incentive they have, but it's not enough for this half-baked mode at the moment

[balmy finch]

im a completionist so i like to have everything lol

[quartz zodiac]

It is, when you don't have a consistent group & soloing is pretty boring / repetitive endeavor. It's clear they have it as a dripfeed to prevent more diehard people dropping the mode entirely after getting everything.

[quartz zodiac]

like I said, "Die-hard"

[balmy finch]

im seeing plenty of people lfging for it

[quartz zodiac]

Getting a group of randoms doesn't mean you'll reach the Nemesis, let alone beat it either. It's all one fell swoop, and it's just not worth the rewards

[balmy finch]

most people who lfg here for it dont go hard rooms so its pretty easy

[blazing shuttle]

Hi,
I'm planning to jump into descent with some friends and I wonder if there is any recommendations or guides I should check

[dusty bramble]

This is mad. I just got to loop 26 and not a single reconstructed cache. How...

Like...I figured by then I'd at least have ONE

[jolly cave]

RNG is a cruel mistress.

[timid mauve]

@dusty bramble AFAIK the guaranteed recon cache is on L30

[tough basin]

Whats a reconstructed cache

[balmy finch]

It gives legacy season blueprints or exclusive blueprints

The exclusive blueprints being named items (some dz exclusive at that)

[tough basin]

Ah gotcha ty

[gentle lagoon]

what about bleuprints caches? i've got all of them or what? i opened about 20 caches and no blueprints anymore. i have 419 blueprints on my table (no 3rd season).

[twin geyser]

My friend has 440+ blueprints, so you have lots of work to do

[balmy finch]

Reconstructed caches are the ones that drop blueprints

[humble halo]

5.11 blueprint in the caches

[rugged dove]

What's like the strat for descent? Is it just to run the easiest stages?

Cause I got one tapped by the a boss at loop 3

And how long is the descent?

[balmy finch]

yes

[balmy finch]

i did a 33:45 a few days ago

[obtuse comet]

my fastest Descent run was like 19:55, but I got really lucky with weapons and talents

otherwise its roughly 30 min a run

[rugged dove]

How many loops are there?

And do you only get rewards when you reach the nemesis?

[balmy finch]

infinite

and no

[balmy finch]

to nemesis i find that hard to believe

do you have a clip or photo or anything

[rugged dove]

How do you fight nemesis then?

Does a stage just pop up at whatever loop?

[balmy finch]

easy rooms give 6% heat, medium gives 4%, hard gives 2%
you face nemesis once you reach 100% heat and finish your current loop

[obtuse comet]

unfortunately I don’t, My setup was the 870mcs with firestarter, I got lucky enough to end up with optimist 7 or 8 by the time I got to Nemesis paired with Chatter and lvl 2 or 3 Salvage. Most rooms the Firestarter instantly wiped out the door I wasn’t shotgun camping so they’d be cleared really damn quick

[balmy finch]

i dont entirely believe it tbh

no offense

[obtuse comet]

No worries for me it was just another mindless run through for blueprints so I didn’t think to record or take a pic

[balmy finch]

@rugged dove

[obtuse comet]

do the leaderboards track time it took you to get to Nem?

[balmy finch]

no

[obtuse comet]

oh well

[balmy finch]

i wish it did tbh

[obtuse comet]

That would make the mindless runs I do for Cache’s fun then

but it’d also open up the flood gates for cheater galore

[timid mauve]

the time for running, waiting start, sorting talents/stuff takes around 14min, 6 min for fighting really a stretch, even duo

[balmy finch]

#lfg-pc

[obtuse comet]

if you are running it as 5 red cores and get god like luck with talents and skills its very doable, the thing that makes firestarter start stupid fast is that all doors spawn enemies at the same time and usually the door you aren't looking at enemies will just instant rush out rather than cower. So you pop the starter at the opposite door and give like half a second for them all to run out before popping it and since it's still early loops the damage it puts out without skill tiers is enough to just instant clear them.

[balmy finch]

29:55 is believable 19:55 isnt

you didnt spend 1 minute per loop

[timid mauve]

@obtuse comet I did over 300 nemesis run, from my experience enemies not always spawn at the same time, rusher/operator/sniper behaved differently, only 10%-20% of time fire chem able to kill the whole group

[upper smelt]

Hopefully you have a screenshot of that because it would beat the WR by several minutes lol

[timid mauve]

6 min for 20 rooms, 5 boss fight and nemesis fight, each fight average 13 sec pretty unrealistic to me

[balmy finch]

they dont

[obtuse comet]

I don't as I was just mindlessly doing cache runs (this was prior to the buff to 50% drop chance from Nem), I don't care to hold a WR for Descent either. So as it stands to most of you I'm speaking out of my backside, I don't care, I'm just salty that run still didn't give me a damn cache lol.

[obtuse comet]

The way I was clearing rooms with the firestarter it was near instantaneous clears

[balmy finch]

They don't spawn out of one single door

[obtuse comet]

I know they don't, I was referring to the door where I placed my firestarter. The ads coming out would take the upfront damage and then die off to the burn they were left with while I was shotgun camping the other door.

[timid mauve]

wish there's screenshot or footage, otherwise I would remain skeptical

[obtuse comet]

You are completely within your rights to remain skeptical it's no skin off my back. Either way I don't care, I prefer to keep UTR when it comes to my life

[stiff rain]

i mean firestarter wiping the entire room isn't anything crazy to doubt. i do it all the time but the success rate definitely isn't 100% even if i place the firestarter cloud as close as i can to the doors

but firestarter for speeds is definitely legit

[obtuse comet]

yea firestarter in early loops can def solo clear doors

place the shot right above the door on the frame of it at the 2-1 countdown on the timer and pop it after the zero disappears and the ads spawn in the start-up of it procing should give the ads a window to run out and die to it if not lose 90% of their hp bars

[gentle lagoon]

no, i havent bc im not getting blueprints anymore.

[gentle lagoon]

rly? i know that. question wasnt about it.

[nocturne hedge]

so you open reconstructed caches and you dont get any more blueprints?

[gentle lagoon]

yes

[manic dawn]

If you want to be sure. Check your blueprints against this list: https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/17hwend/complete_list_of_descent_blueprints/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&rdt=64044

Not sure if posting Reddit links is allowed…. :/

[gentle lagoon]

1 lmg and 6 ar?

i cant expand the list or he's wrote only 7 items?

[jolly cave]

It's fine as long as it's not your own post.

[manic dawn]

you can't expand the list, try again on pc maybe?

[jolly cave]

Yeah there's about 30 weapon BP's listed there. 7 in AR alone.

[manic dawn]

Including all season blueprints, the maximum you can have is 445 out of 455.

Unless you have the friend referall and pre-order items, then I guess it 447?

[gentle lagoon]

its pc

[gentle lagoon]

it could be 432 with all belstone and hunter's fury. i missed 3rd season.

[twin geyser]

There isn't a blueprint for named rifle for WONY preorder, right? There is for Lullaby and Ruthless, tho

[manic dawn]

Not as far as I’m aware off

[bold finch]

Has anyone else been having issues with descent? Since the last maintenance I've had 3 different errors after defeating nemesis. Errors as in the game shuts down and PS sends an error report. Then today after defeating nemesis I got locked out of proceeding room

[hexed whale]

Same.

[timid mauve]

New Blueprints found on PTS 20, don't think it is finalized
AR: Pyromaniac / Shield Splinterer / Invisible Hand
LMG: Big Show / Dare
SMG: Cabaret / Emeline's Guard / Safety Distance
SG: Lefty / Tsunami
Rifle: Artist's Tool / Stage Left
MMR: Commando / Designated Hitter / Ekim's Long Stick / Pinprick / Relic/ The Darkness
Sidearm: Prophet / Orbit
Mask: Punch Drunk
Backpack: Hermano / Lavoisier / Percussive Maintenance / Strategic Alignment
Chest: Henri / Hunter Killer / Pointman
Gloves: Firm Handshake / Deathgrips
Holster: Picaro's Holster

[nocturne hedge]

Pros of having 50 reconstructed caches in your inventory

[timid mauve]

Also more time than others

3% Hard, 5% Medium, 7% Easy, also the balancing weapon stat apply to this game mode

[nocturne hedge]

I can do nemesis runs 3 to 8 mins faster now

Used to be 30 to 35 mins but now i did a slow-ish run of 27 mins

I just need to stop alt tabbing to different things and focus on the game

Maybe i can knock it down another min or two

[timid mauve]

350 NSA credit for exotic cache, whereas 875 for named cache, I guess they are swapped

[nocturne hedge]

Values are place holder

[stiff rain]

DEATHGRIPS OML

this is big

[humble halo]

5.11

[timid mauve]

22:23, still not sure 20min is achievable

[nocturne hedge]

How lol

I wanna see gameplay

[upper smelt]

Sub 20 should be possible now considering there were runs around 23 before.

[timid mauve]

Also seems like the status effect diminishing return is apply to nemesis, they have stronger resistance for fire in PTS

[nocturne hedge]

Im just happy my nemesis wasn't called Bravo for once

[light frigate]

anyone wanna do descent?

[lapis lion]

Try in #lfg-pc

[twin geyser]

So the only working way to prevent him one tapping us is now getting nerfed? Amazing 💀

[nocturne hedge]

Rest in rip

[timid mauve]

fire shotty have 1 or 2 second window in PTS, it still doable but risky. long range corner peep would be the only safer approach

[nocturne hedge]

Going top stairs is still the best bet imo

[nocturne hedge]

updated your list with a few more (written in all caps)

AR: Pyromaniac / Shield Splinterer / Invisible Hand / BORN GREAT
LMG: Big Show / Dare
SMG: Cabaret / Emeline's Guard / Safety Distance / GROWN GREAT
Shotgun: Lefty / Tsunami
Rifle: Artist's Tool / Stage Left
MMR: Commando / Designated Hitter / Ekim's Long Stick / Pinprick / Relic/ The Darkness
Sidearm: Prophet / Orbit
Mask: Punch Drunk
Backpack: Hermano / Lavoisier / Percussive Maintenance / Strategic Alignment / BACKBONE
Chest: Henri / Hunter Killer / Pointman(*) / CARPENTER
Gloves: Firm Handshake / Deathgrips
Holster: Picaro's Holster

i managed to get all of these blueprints just by purchasing the PTS cache from the white house vendor, but the pointman blueprint didnt show up on my crafting station

[timid mauve]

@nocturne hedge The list at above is purely gained from recon caches, after that I brought PTS cache and noticed there is couple more blueprints at my crafting bench, nonetheless, nothing is sure until they go live

[nocturne hedge]

true

[cyan fox]

Wait what the shield Splinterer BP will be in decent now????

That seems like a weird choice

[timid mauve]

@cyan fox we can't sure at this point, PTS not always come to live

[humble halo]

I think the better way would be to tant as a reward on killing hunters

Devs if you are listening give hunter killer and shield splinter blueprint after killing all hunters as a reward

[nocturne hedge]

yeah could be another situation like the spec pistol bug

[timid mauve]

it would be too good as they got buffed, maybe 1% at loop 40

[humble halo]

No need I have the worst luck 1/14 are my chances

1 cache in 14 runs

[hearty hill]

It should have been this way from the start, that's what I feel

[mighty tartan]

Have DZ named gear always been possible blueprint rewards?

[balmy finch]

Yes

[real dock]

Descent in PTS is totally ruined due to so many talents missing. At loop 20, its very helpful to have Opportunistic and loop 31+, this talent is 100% needed (solo and duo). And no Steady Handed also makes higher loops much harder. In PTS, seems they made it easier to reach nemesis but much much harder to do long runs. In regular game, I've done solo 34 and 36 & 37 duo. No way solo is possible to 34 with PTS.

[pine siren]

They've grouped talents into sets and only one set is available at a time, with a weekly rotation: so you have to build with what is given to you, chances are you won't find your ideal build in only one set, so you'll never be able to get your perfect loadout.

[mighty tartan]

Whats the loop to reach nemesis in pts? I need to take a nap after doing 5 loops

[stiff rain]

4 now

[wild karma]

devs need to add reconstructed caches for purchase with descent credits

[balmy finch]

Id disagree

[rustic bough]

Same

[twin geyser]

Depends on the price - I'm okay to pay 1000 credits for one

[deft island]

They keep on adding difficulties to a game mode that requires a lot of time invested in it and it’s completely unconnected to the main game and lore. Endless audios, hard to get reconstructed caches that require huge amounts of time to farm…. Now given sets of talents that won’t permit you having your preferred build. Honestly I’m about to give it up at this point, it’s a game mode that keeps on putting more and more hurdles to players instead of making it more fun to play.

[timid mauve]

guess many people feel the same so they tried to lower difficulty in PTS, not sure if it will implement to live game tho

[nocturne hedge]

More and more reasons to not go above nemesis

[rustic bough]

We only have this window of opportunity before the next live update to enjoy Descent in its finest and purest form, before it gets nerfed to the ground

Like just imagine a run without Concussion, Composure, Overwatch, Opportunistic, Optimist, Steady Handed. Which is what the current PTS rotation is.

I'd rather unalive tbh

And even if you wanted to be goofy and go with skill builds, you can't, because the only skill-related talent is Empowered and Surge 😂
This is comical

[rustic bough]

okay but here's a massive flaw/loophole, since Descent is also available to lv 30s, they are also able to obtain Reconstructed Caches just like lv 40s, albeit at an extremely slow rate (the reward buffs only apply to lv 40s; lv 30s keep the 12% per Nemesis clear). By adding Reconstructed Caches to the NSA tech vendor means they will be able to fast track named item blueprint acquisition at a significantly faster rate. and since they contain WoNY-exclusive blueprints too, any lv 30s can get them just by playing the Descent. That does not make sense.

[twin geyser]

So... don't add for lvl30? I mean, the game is like 30-40% of content without WONY anyway

[vast garnet]

I don't get it. How does it affect you if players at lvl30 get blueprints? And IIRC, for them to get the blueprints, they need to get the reconstructed caches — they did the Descent runs; they worked for those caches the same way a lvl40 player did. How did they get caches at a faster rate?

[vast garnet]

Like just imagine a run without Concussion, Composure, Overwatch, Opportunistic, Optimist, Steady Handed. Which is what the current PTS rotation is.

Weird. I did a Nemesis run on the PTS. Composure and Concussion were in the talent pool. How did you come to the conclusion that the talents were missing?

[rustic bough]

I made a list of them

wait, so we don't all get the same talents per rotation?

[vast garnet]

Cool, well I have footage where I used it. https://imgur.com/a/bwJgXyN

[rustic bough]

https://imgur.com/a/fbO0oEv and this is my list

[vast garnet]

If you're going to mark the majority of talents as "trash" — I'm more inclined to think the problem isn't with the game. It seems like you're looking to build only one specific build and unwilling to deviate from it. That's too bad. Maybe Descent isn't the game mode for you.

[rustic bough]

your feedback is greatly appreciated

but I don't remember asking for advice

[vast garnet]

Well I'm trying to track down the accuracy of your claims. You claimed Descent on the PTS wasn't producing those talents. Turned out you were wrong.

You claimed level 30 players get reconstructed caches faster than level 40 players. Care to explain how? Because if they are, I will happily start a new character and keep it at level 30 just to farm reconstructed caches.

[rustic bough]

No i didn;t?

[vast garnet]

By adding Reconstructed Caches to the NSA tech vendor means they will be able to fast track named item blueprint acquisition at a significantly faster rate

[rustic bough]

than they normally would

never said compared to lv 40s

[rustic bough]

this part you got it right though, I never got to see if subsequent runs yielded the same result, so I just assumed it's the same throughout

[vast garnet]

To buy stuff from the NSA vendor, they'd need to spend currency that is earned thru playing Descent. I don't see any problem if reconstructed caches were purchasable. Not entirely sure why you suddenly decided you needed to gatekeep.

[rustic bough]

not entirely sure why you suddenly chose violence.

but maybe, maybe, just maybe, that lv 30s aren't supposed to get caches as easily as lv 40s, as the developers intended? i.e. lv 40 cache rate was buffed, whereas lv 30 was not

[vast garnet]

Again, why does it matter to you how much lvl30s earn? You already stated that lvl40 players got their cache rates buffed; they will already have an earning advantage over lvl30 players. You said there's a massive flaw/loophole. I don't see it.

[rustic bough]

so this is just my theory. why was lv 40 cache rate buffed in the first place, and not lv 30? if they wanted to give both categories a level playing field, they'd have buffed both. so maybe they didn't want this to be the case.

by adding Reconstructed caches to the vendor, this means that, if you exclude the extraction rewards, lv 30s and 40s have equal opportunities to get those caches, which defeats the purpose of lv 40s having an unfair advantage.

speaking of, I also forgot to see if lv 30s get to purchase the caches from the vendor too 😐

[vast garnet]

Adding r-caches to the NSA vendor is a pipe dream — unlikely it will happen so this conversation is just theoretical. If the devs choose to implement it, they have the ability to alter the costs as they see fit.

For example, the costs for exotic caches from DZ vendors is cheaper for level 30.

[pine siren]

this is why lfg channels exist

[timid mauve]

do anyone know Dr home talent update to new version in PTS? Wonder if it make us become immortal ( except one shot dead of course )

[cyan fox]

We have zero idea if the Dr home will stay like this for the live game (doubt it)
Better to wait till phase 2 and then post phase 2 for changes

[vast garnet]

Probably good to ask in the right channel?

[frozen radish]

sorry what is the change to the talent?

[cyan fox]

It went from target killed to only needing headshots on the target and the mark stays so essentially anyone on the team can get those headshots and it'll keep healing in the PTS

[frozen radish]

thanks

[chrome lantern]

Why would reconstructed caches at the Descent vendor be unrealistic if they have already added Named & Exotic to the PTS already? I would say it is now a better chance than not given the recent "positivity" from Ubisoft/Massive.

[wise granite]

imma be real, reconstructed caches are nice but man, they got to do something about audios because 1 per week only for killing nemesis is garbage

[vast garnet]

Why would reconstructed caches at the DZ vendor be unrealistic if they have already added Named & Exotic to the live DZ vendor already?

Why would reconstructed caches at the Countdown vendor be unrealistic if they have already added Named & Exotic to the live Countdown vendor already?

I get it. You want reconstructed caches.

[chrome lantern]

Me, all I want is a game that doesn't give me Delta errors weekly, nemesis who doesn't use double skills, etc. I'm more of a performance and consistency in gameplay type of person, to be honest.

[burnt pagoda]

With their regroup, it probably gets way harder to reach loop 40 right? Cuz my game crashed at loop 35 and I am still so frustrated about it that I don’t wanna do a high loop run again, but also don’t wanna get stuck with a potentially trash loadout.

[burnt pagoda]

Impossible 💀
Even with skipping everything and killing everything as fast as possible you most likely won’t go under 25 min and even that is a quick time.
19:55 = Either you used glitches or straight up cheats.

[nocturne hedge]

theres gameplay of a 23 mins run i think

[burnt pagoda]

In that case I corrected my previous message.

[nocturne hedge]

but i agree with you that 19:55 is a little sus

do people still say sus?

[burnt pagoda]

Not a little sus. Straight up not possible. I knew an actual cheater in this game who blatantly used them. And he said if he rushes Descent as fast as possible with full rage hacks, (aimbot, magic bullets and 2x sprint) he is around 18-19 minutes.
The normal movement speed doesn’t even allow you to run fast enough to go under 20min.

[wise granite]

Bro either got all rooms as HVTs in a row and cheesed every arena, which is just not possible, or cheated

Cheats or hacking? CALL IT

[vast garnet]

Are we talking about the live game or the PTS? On the PTS, we're now able to get to Nemesis at the end of loop 4 rather than loop 5. Sub-24min will likely be pretty common.

[stiff rain]

this was before PTS dropped

[brazen star]

is the main strat to just take armor all the way through?

cause i found it to be by far the best strat

[wise granite]

@gentle briar bot here

[gentle briar]

[frozen radish]

Quite the opposite

[brazen star]

really? cause you don't gain any armor through any blue talents but you gain alot of damage through talents

[frozen radish]

I ve gone from armour every other loop to after 3 loops to now , where I take armor only at 5th/10th/15 so on… reason being no number of blue cores will prevent you from being 1-shot at loop 30+

More dmg always helps tho

[cyan fox]

After a certain loop you just start getting one shot by certain enemy archetype anyways

[lime basin]

Hi Agents, I am fairly new to Descent. Seems it's not easy to matchmake for this mode. Is it better for solo play?

[humble halo]

F*k this mode invisible NPCs and hive not working

[nocturne hedge]

you werent wearing 5.11 thats why

[humble halo]

Descent doesn't have that option

[nocturne hedge]

you know that thing you interact with to start descent? circle around it 511 times you get the buff for 3 piece 5.11

[timid mauve]

turret❌drone❌pulse❌ maybe put trap on the next test

[twin geyser]

The higher loop you have, the less enemies care about your armor. 30+ loops just one-tap you with any amount of armor + they have insane HP / Armor, so by reducing the output damage of your gun - you'll just wipe faster

[burnt pagoda]

Here is a screenshot of the Cheater (without his name) I mentioned with one of his quickest runs, with full hacks and all.

Ah damn, can’t upload it…

[nocturne hedge]

cant upload here

[burnt pagoda]

It was 19.05

[jolly cave]

We don't allow "naming and shaming" anyway.

And no one here can do anything about it either way.

[burnt pagoda]

Who said I would show the name of this person?

[jolly cave]

It was heavily implied.
either way, don't.

[burnt pagoda]

Was it?

Anyway, wasn’t the Drop Rate of Reconstructed Caches increased to 50% for defeating Nemesis?

[nocturne hedge]

yeah

[burnt pagoda]

Then how is it possible that I haven’t gotten one single cache in 11 runs… like 4 1/2 hours - 5 hours and I haven’t gotten one… How can someone‘s drop luck be that bad…

[nocturne hedge]

youre rng is kinda shit

[burnt pagoda]

I farmed 2 weeks for ST Elmo… haven’t gotten it and then I farmed one single CD with a friend and he dropped 2 St Elmo‘s from the first two bosses… the first St Elmo even had complete God Rolls on it…

[pine siren]

You have offended lootcifer and must pay the atonement price

[humble halo]

But can it kill invisible NPCs

I need invisible turret for invisible NPCs :wesmart:

[timid mauve]

our enemies already had next gen invisible cloaking, while the new development of SHD tech is make the flame turret able to spin💀

[lean raft]

Honestly, revolutionized cutting edge tech, making a flame turret spin

[humble halo]

RIP SHD Agents 🪦

[mighty tartan]

One of the worst uses for a gear set

Making it revolve around a niche skill that no one uses- Pun intended

[nocturne hedge]

Would be great if thw set buffed the duration and reduced cooldown

[hidden idol]

Just a question about this talent rotation, how exactly does it play out? For example, Headshot talents are on Set 1, and on set 2 they are replaced for handling talents?

I'm just using headshot talents and handling as example, from what I understood it would change all talents that can be chosen

[stiff rain]

it didn't really follow any consistent "theme" in the pts

and it changes every week

[hidden idol]

But the main idea is something among these lines? One set has headshot talents, and in the other it is replaced?

[stiff rain]

yeah, just saying it's rather random, it won't necessarily be synergistic

so it won't follow a "headshot" theme as you're imagining

[hidden idol]

I know, I just used it as a example.

[frozen radish]

I really hope it’s random

That it’s there is inconvenience enough

[hidden idol]

And did they add gear sets to that too, or not?

[stiff rain]

nope

[hidden idol]

Alright

thanks for the answer

[hidden idol]

Sadly the mode will lose a little bit of fun in my PoV, since you won't be able to see how X would mix with Y if they don't get selected on the same set

[stiff rain]

yeah no new talents are added, and to me it's going to be mixed receptions all around because they are taking out useful talents if it really is random and you can't "reset" the RNG by yourself, you have to wait another week

[hidden idol]

Wait, they added a rotation, and didn't add new talents?

[stiff rain]

yep, correct

[hidden idol]

Damn, I atleast expected to have more talents for that

[stiff rain]

no new talents were added, and they're restricting the pool weekly

[hidden idol]

So my guess is that you will see the talents more frequently, but not necessarily the ones you would want (due to rotation and fewer talent pool)?

[stiff rain]

yes

[hidden idol]

at the same time I see this as good, I see this as a bad thing lol

[stiff rain]

if it screws me over more than it helps me, i see it as a bad thing

and i can see it "locking" the talent rng for the entire week

[hidden idol]

Only real issue I have for this as of now, is that they didn't add new talents to the pool while restricting the choices

[hidden idol]

But yeah, it most probably will end up being like that. I suppose exotics are also restricted?

[stiff rain]

i think so yeah. @rustic bough can fill in on that as he did try to collect the talents that were on rotation

[frozen radish]

I reset when I don’t get chatter in first loop , so I guess I won’t be playing half the time

[rustic bough]

It's per run, not per week.

I didn't get to test multiple runs so I just assumed it's consistent throughout, but turns out that's not the case

[rustic bough]

Exotics are restricted to 6 per run

[stiff rain]

ah i see. that doesn't sound as bad

[humble halo]

That is nice

[twin geyser]

So every 2 weeks we'll be getting:

• Blind Justice
• Sandman
• Kinetic Momentum
• Emphatic Resolve
• Glass Cannon
• Doctor Home
  

I REALLY hope this trash (rotation) will NEVER be implemented

[humble halo]

I hope we get to choose the exo talent in our loot pool

[long plover]

plague and bullet hell bouta have 100% pickrate

[wise granite]

well that's one way to kill the gamemode for a whole week

[mighty tartan]

devs don't play their own game? shocker

[sharp obsidian]

well these guys dont thats apparent

[rustic bough]

RNG has gone home for Xmas. Loop 11, no second exo

[hexed whale]

Just finished getting all blueprints. RNG was pretty much on point (since I started tracking): 104 runs, 52 Reconstructed Caches (x=no, o=yes):
ooxxx xxxxx xoxxx ooooo ooxxx oooxx xoxoo xxooo oxoxx xxxxo oxxox xooox xxooo oooxo ooxxo xxxxx oxooo xooxx xxooo oxxoo oxoo

[humble halo]

My rng 1/15

[fervent niche]

guys do raid exclusive exotics drop in descent?

[nocturne hedge]

No

[humble halo]

Make it 1/16 or 6.25% that's worse than before the patch 🥲

[hexed whale]

Yeah, I had a really bad 0/9 at the start that was discouraging, and that's when I started tracking.

[twilit whale]

I kind of want cosmetics in descent. Kinda bland seeing the same outfit for 30 loops.

[mighty tartan]

How many podcasts did you listen to during this time

[stiff rain]

no items drop in descent let alone exotics

[nocturne hedge]

There's a podcast i like listening to and it has like 75 episodes i think, listened to all of them twice and still not done with the grind...

[twin geyser]

415 blueprints. Only 40 to go...... 💀

I play once a week for audio, that's why I'm so behind)

[somber reef]

is there still no reason to go past 30 if farming caches?

[stiff rain]

yeah

[timid mauve]

additional 29-31 blueprints in next season 💀

[cyan fox]

Can't even muster up the motivation to play it once a month let alone once a week 💀

Matchmaking for it is horribly dead and doing it solo I get horribly bored

[nocturne hedge]

35

is what i counted

[twin geyser]

If I want to do it fast, I don't play with randoms xD

[floral nacelle]

35? But last year, last year I had 37!

[jolly cave]

A lot of the people in here do remind of of Dudley, it's true.

[floral nacelle]

Lol

[nocturne hedge]

Sorry is that a reference to something lol

[jolly cave]

in one of the Harry Potter's, his cousin is given 1 less present than last year, he throws a tantrum and they promise to buy him 2 new ones that day.

"how many presents?" "36, counted them myself" "but last year i had 37!"

[tepid zinc]

ive just got all the control point blueprints so i can start doing reconstructed caches, whats the easiest way to get all the dz blueprints? havent played the descent before

[stiff rain]

as you saw in the infographic, loop 30 is where you want to stop if you want to hit all the reconstructed caches in one run

as for the "easiest way"... it's not easy, descent is quite hard once you reach high loops, or just fighting nemesis might be hard. but you'll get the hang of it playing a few times

[nocturne hedge]

Just quite at nemesis, mist efficient way imo

[humble halo]

My 1/16 Drop.rate says otherwise

[nocturne hedge]

yeah thats because of the hidden 5.11 debuff you dont know about

[humble halo]

You mean the buff

[twin geyser]

I'll run more often when they shorten nemesis min loop to 4

[sage igloo]

🫠 hardest part of descent is starting at 0 then figuring out wtf is going on

I’ve failed at loop 1 like 6 times now so clearly I’m doing something wrong

[hidden idol]

If you want I could join, not necessarily going to teach you the way, but may be enough. (I play mostly for fun, not the rewards)

[stiff rain]

mostly it's just gambling for offensive talents and playing smart

[hidden idol]

And yeah, afaik going full weapon damage is the way for high loops, with Entrench (headshot repairs armor) and preservation iirc.

[sage igloo]

Maybe I should stop running hard on every door

[stiff rain]

you run hard if you want to go for high loops tbh

[cyan fox]

Nemesis all easiest rooms pretty easy ngl

If going for nemesis only that's the way to go imo

[stiff rain]

yeah ofc if you just speedrun nemesis you go easy

[cyan fox]

And even easier if you have trauma

[stiff rain]

not sure if anyone needs to know this, but intimidate is STILL an exponentially stacking amp in descent

[mighty tartan]

I love airburst seeker mine

[frozen radish]

the que I have is - and I could not test this...does Empowered help Plague ?

[lost gull]

anybody queing up, cant find a match

[stiff rain]

no, plague is not a status effect

[tepid zinc]

what are the cons of going easy? worse loot?

[stiff rain]

less currency

[cyan fox]

Only really go easy for fast as possible nemesis only runs

[tepid zinc]

whats the best build to go for or is it too random to plan at all

[stiff rain]

there are builds you can aim for if you're going high loops but for just nemesis you kinda get what you can get because you don't get too much currency to reroll

[cyan fox]

Get rng on ur side and get a shotgun and pummel

That's pretty good

There's alot of good combos

I had fun with pummel and regicide on a shotguns among other talents I can't remember now

[stiff rain]

for high loops intimidate is so slept on ngl

it is such a powerful talent

almost quadrupling your damage at tier 10

[cyan fox]

Ad rush intimidate is pretty good combo from my experience

[stiff rain]

yeah

i just did a run with the two, they are so strong

[cyan fox]

Ad rush pummel intimidate
Add regicide in
Although idk how regicide scales with higher loop enemies

[stiff rain]

regicide if anything is a spawn clearer at 30 and below and sadist proccer for higher for me

[cyan fox]

OK so it falls off after 30

That's pretty good tbh

[stiff rain]

it's still very strong even then ngl

for giving you 1.7x from sadist

but only affects enemies that get that bleed, so not the first one you shoot

[tepid zinc]

if im wanting to get all the reconstructed caches as quick as possible should i play solo or matchmake

[lost gull]

so just got to nemesis did mostly all hard lobbies, and get instant killed all of us

is it not a good idea to do all hards or am just bad

[timid mauve]

it's doesn't matter what loop in the nemesis fight, just a fact that squad harder than solo, hp scale up and variable of skill deployed by multiple enemies

[humble halo]

I want to see how bad my rng is

Regulus and foam means easy loop clears

Need to have a Magnum or mmr

[twin geyser]

I want determined + headhunter to be added

[humble halo]

Descent Cheese Mode

[humble halo]

Also add dch with Achilles

[twin geyser]

Also, I want to vote out some ahitty talents or put them in other categories

Non-exotic talents in exotic category, for example

Where is my scorpio talent? 👀

[humble halo]

Yup no need for Emphatic resolve and Blind Justice it doesn't do any justice

[humble halo]

Yeah also nemesis

[twin geyser]

Breadbasket 💀
Just useless

[humble halo]

Most useless talent is liberty or death without shield

I can't hit npc head

Have to go body always

[twin geyser]

ACTUALLY, I can't agree here. +60% dmg boost is always nice to have against nemesis

Just don't hit the head)

[humble halo]

that is the problem if you play regulus hh all the time it becomes difficult

[twin geyser]

• really fast door clearing

[humble halo]

To not headshot

[twin geyser]

In this combo yeah, it's bad)

[humble halo]

But it is fine not worse like glass Cannon

U went to room died to hazard before

NPCS spawn

[twin geyser]

😂

[humble halo]

I was standing there 🤣

After that moment I skip GC

[twin geyser]

I feel like they were picking the shittiest talents for exo (except actual exotic, of course)

Bloodsucker must go blue

GC to red

[humble halo]

Yup

[twin geyser]

Kinetic to yellow

[humble halo]

Yup

Non exo should be non exo

[twin geyser]

I wish we could upgrade the weapon quality without changing it to another weapon and then looking for it again

Like in a laptop before the loop we can spend, like, 1000 credits

[humble halo]

Yeah you have to give away a nice weapon you got

[hexed whale]

Imagine Scorpio-stacking with a Vector. 1/2s and all 7 stacks are up.

[nocturne hedge]

they'll probably add imperium's talent next lmao

[twin geyser]

Bruh

[humble halo]

They should add Dread Edict talent

[cyan fox]

Both EB talents next wanna bet

[rustic bough]

Me wanting to go with a crit build: Agonizing Bite never shows up
Me wanting to go with a headshot build: Reigicide never shows up

[mighty tartan]

How do you trigger the increased difficulty of Nemesis? Sometimes ISAC says that

[stiff rain]

it's just one difficulty

[rustic bough]

Massive's rotation proposal: Descent = ((WeaponRNG * SkillRNG * TalentRNG) + ExoticTalentRNG) * RNG

[humble halo]

*another RNG

[somber reef]

Do you get the reward on loop 30 or when you past loop 30?

[stiff rain]

get past loop 30, so top left says "loop 31" and you beat the final boss on loop 30

[nocturne hedge]

There's no difficulty setting for nemesis, what isac means is that nemesis is the hardest encounter so far

[humble halo]

Another run loop 8 got delta no cache 1/17

[nocturne hedge]

lmao

[rustic bough]

Gonna fill my stash with reconstructed caches to make way for if they decided to add more blueprints 😎

[nocturne hedge]

By filling your inventory of field caches?

[rustic bough]

what?

[nocturne hedge]

How do you fill your * stash * with caches is what i mean

[rustic bough]

no I'll just do loop 30 runs and let the excess go into my stash

sort of like what you said

[nocturne hedge]

How long does that take?

[rustic bough]

5 hours on a good day

[nocturne hedge]

Oof

[frozen radish]

Same, have 13 so far

[wide karma]

how many comms are we suppose to get?
I got 28/52
The last one I got feels like a repeat.

[timid mauve]

30 b4 Tuesday reset

[somber reef]

I might do that

[wide karma]

how do you get new comms after finished the weekly project?
did a 2nd descent run and didn't got any new comms after finished off nemesis.
28 at the moment.

[nocturne hedge]

you dont, its one per week

[mighty tartan]

Babe, it’s time for your weekly Descent run

[twin geyser]

Yes 💀

[twin geyser]

31-st appeared today

[humble halo]

Time to post 1/18

What do you guys think will I get reconstruction cache in my 18th run ?

[twin geyser]

You should. I am already at 6 runs without single cache, so maybe your unluck will transfer to me

[wide karma]

for project resolve's descent change, I wish dev allow player to select which talent not to include in the pool.
base on the note (not final), it seem like each week there is going to be selection of talent to choose from.
Which kind suck since there are few talent are mandatory to have when going to deeper floor.

[nocturne hedge]

do we know what those sets are?

[stiff rain]

it's random per run

[twin geyser]

I hope this trash will be cancelled based on the fact that nobody liked this idea (like gear lock combat for PvE)

[humble halo]

I am amazed they thought of implementing in it the first place due to BLB I would say

[twin geyser]

BLB? I suck at abbreviations)

[humble halo]

Busy little bee swap to one shot incursion bosses

[twin geyser]

got it, I'm dumb 💀

[frozen radish]

how are these connected? little bee one shot and the pooling of descent talents in Feb update?

[pine siren]

Unpopular decisions in project resolve

[frozen radish]

I'd be the minority and cant wait for pooling of descent talents

sooo many utter garbage talents, at least I wont run and waste my time when my fav ones are not in rotation

[pine siren]

But what if only half of your favourite ones are in rotation at any given time?

[twin geyser]

I prefer re-rolling over not having the desired talent for the whole week

[frozen radish]

care only about exotics...if they bring re-rolling to that panel - then we're talking

dr home, blind justic , empathic, kinetic, sandman, adaptive - too many garbage exo talents

[twin geyser]

I'm putting together a document with ideas of Descent QoL ideas (20 currently) which I want to send after PTS Phase 2 in January

[twin geyser]

Expect to see them as the only talents available for you for the whole week to enjoy

[frozen radish]

yea, and then I'll play something else that week

much more efficient

[twin geyser]

Adaptive is nice, actually, but only in group, where you can control the door and wipe everything in 20-30 sec

[twin geyser]

For you - yes, for others - depends. It shouldn't be forcing to skip, that's why people don't like this idea

[frozen radish]

if I dont get chatter or plague or diamondback in loop 1, I restart

[frozen radish]

agreed, thats why I said I'll be in minority

[twin geyser]

All cool, I understand)

[stiff rain]

the talents rotate per run, not per week

[frozen radish]

can you know before you start what's in rotation?

[stiff rain]

no

sadly

[frozen radish]

lol then

[twin geyser]

Bruh

[stiff rain]

you just get screwed over when you find out like intimidate is out of the pool

💀

[frozen radish]

but you cant know lol? only guess when you dont see something for a while yea?

[twin geyser]

Imagine getting to loop 40 without knowing that one of the talents of your "perfect" build is out of rotation 💀

[stiff rain]

but yeah it rotates per run

yeah you just never run into it and have a suspicion

i wish they just have a screen to display what talents are in the pool so i can just reset

[frozen radish]

alrighty then, so you're saying they made it even more tedious

ignore everything i said

[twin geyser]

If they implement this crap in a way you're describing it worked on PTS - I'm 90% done with the mode

[frozen radish]

same

[timid mauve]

I already done coz don't need recon cache anymore

[stiff rain]

i want deathgrips

[tender merlin]

Haven't gone into Descent
Is it good

I'm a fan of these types of modes

[humble halo]

Finally you see the potential in 5.11

[humble halo]

Could be bad rng tbh

Unless we have a list

[stiff rain]

it's quite different from the main game modes

[sour rain]

Descent is really fun but clearly hamstrung by the game's engine since the way loading has to happen makes it very, very slow to play for a roguelite

Stuff like Hades has a flow where once you're familiar with it, you're just going through each room very quickly and picking which boons/doors you want. Everything in Descent requires manual interactions that takes seconds which add up to minutes so it's not very punchy. Then you need to load in each loop.

[stiff rain]

yeah just remove manual interactions. i understand what they're going for which is making it more immersive but running around takes too much time

[sour rain]

Your opening rooms are where you see it pretty clearly. The time it takes for me to open the first room, wait for the wave, dome 3 dudes, pick my talent, then go to the next room and start to open it is like 2-3 minutes. In something like Hades you're on like room 3-4 by then.

[somber reef]

I’m at 410 blueprints , how many more do I need ? Is there a list ?

[jolly cave]

Yep, the Crafting Table lists them all.

[twin geyser]

Opening terminal UI for selecting a talent must be automatic as soon as the fight ends as well as possibility to teleport to the next room without running (you just pick a room by voting and everybody is teleported there).
Still faster than stupid running around, wasting minutes

[wide karma]

ya, that's true.
also that 10sec countdown after everyone enter the room.

[cyan fox]

You know I was playing descent cuz I felt like it and in one run
I had my armor kit being used but not healing my armor back up (amazing)
Skills refusing to fire (amazing)
Weird delay between me pressing my trigger and the gun actually firing (amazing)

There's things wrong with this mode but bugs like this really make me stay the fuck away from it

[nocturne hedge]

The armor kit bug is annoying really

[cyan fox]

It really is cuz it quite literally can end ur run

[cyan fox]

They can have the talent selection pop up

Like how the grenade selection pop up works

[mighty tartan]

There’s no real practical reason to go past nemesis anyways, and I’m glad they are shortening the run to it

[cloud mason]

i didn't take a screenshot of it but one time i got 5 unhinged and 5 alegro by nemesis which was right after loop 6

[pine siren]

That poor ceiling

[cyan fox]

When descent launched I was using a classic m1a with unhinged with no counter to it
And oh my god that recoil was funny as fuck to look at

[sour rain]

Descent taught me how good of a talent Agonizing Bite would be if it was on a good gun instead of a bad one

[rustic bough]

Obtaining all the reconstructed cache-exclusive blueprints is the main reason why people go past the Nemesis.
Other than that, there is a form of challenge and fun you won't be able to achieve in the open world, not even Legendary missions

[mighty tartan]

wouldnt you be able to do that with just killing nemesis over and over?

[rustic bough]

You would, but at the cost of time

[mighty tartan]

what kind of time loss are we talking

[rustic bough]

Nvm I think it's pretty close if you can speedrun 12 Nemesis runs in under 5 hours

[mighty tartan]

oh really

Ive only ever ran once a week

[rustic bough]

The best possible outcome for a loop 30 run is 6 reconstructed caches and takes roughly 5 hours

And since beating the Nemesis gives 50% chance at getting a RC, that means 12 runs to achieve the same result

[pine siren]

smaller chance of failure & wasted time with lots of nemesis runs too

[rustic bough]

With Nem runs you're leaving all your caches up to chance, and I think for loop 30 runs there's at least 2 guaranteed caches?

[chrome lantern]

When did the devs add the flickering effect to the completion of each room? Was this added as some kind of aide to tell us that everyone was dead when this was already accomplished via a simple audible sound? I have had two mild seizures since they added this and it sure would be nice if the devs could not only warn us of upcoming changes, but make these an option which we can turn off and on as we see fit. Seems like a company that touts Accessability in the forefront of their game developing, they have the blinding lasers, flashbangs, flashing screens and the level up during the seasonal tracks are rather disorienting. Warnings at the beginning of the game shows they are aware of mechanics they added could be a potential hazard for those of us with brain injuries. Options to toggle these on and off would cater to all players.

[rustic bough]

Man sorry to hear that

[timid mauve]

if we talking "best outcome" then 6 caches for 6 nemesis run, my best record is 11 streak so not impossible, in the end it's RNG takes the decision

[rustic bough]

That's true

[timid mauve]

I think they should increase the reward for long run on next update, since the short run would be faster/easier, also compensate the rotation of talent pool makes long game become harder

[somber reef]

How many blueprints are you sitting at?

[stiff rain]

he got all

[somber reef]

455? Nice

I’m at 417 got a ways to go

[twin geyser]

3 hours and 30 minutes was my best duo run (yesterday) to beat loop 30 and quit

[rustic bough]

This man speedruns loop 30s

[dusk niche]

Loop bosses with shock ammo is so BS

[mighty tartan]

I’m just glad nemesis doesn’t have that

[twin geyser]

11 runs past nemesis with only 1 reconstructed cache. This 50% chance is bullshit

[tepid canopy]

i feel you man

same thing is happening to me

did 7 runs between yesterday and today

not even a single reconstructed cache

[twin geyser]

I would have 437 (at least), but I have 432 only

[humble halo]

You are reaching my level

[twin geyser]

You still have the crown

[humble halo]

I still haven't done the 18th run btw

Will do it today

[brittle sierra]

Descent groupe? Only good players platform ps4/5 thx

[humble halo]

And post the results as always I might try reaching Higher levels Today

[twin geyser]

I did multiple 25-30 loop runs in past 4 days. About 18 recon. caches
Considering my luck, it's far better than to hope for nemesis cache drop

[humble halo]

Yeah but needs a partner with mic so you do not die of boredoom

[twin geyser]

We do it 4-man group, so we're fine)

Chatting / joking / discussing something

Cursing 50% chance of recon cache 💀

[twin geyser]

Loop 30 completed = 3 hours 26 mins 04 sec - our new record 4-man run 💪 🙂 👍

Oh, and yeah - no recon. cache from Nemesis again (so it's 12 runs - 1 cache now)

[nocturne hedge]

You're catching up to 5.11

[timid mauve]

RNGesus overheard the cursing💀

[lusty bluff]

been doing descent for last few days, gonna say im retiring from descent. Got tdi kard custom and emperors guard blueprints. ggs

[twin geyser]

13-th run. No recon cache from Nemesis

Actually, new record - 30 loop finished in 4-man group = 3 hours 25 minutes and 30 seconds (40 seconds faster than last time today)

🙂

[somber reef]

62 named blueprints

How many more ?

Counted 100 named in expertise

So I need 38 more ?

But I am a total of 427 blue prints right and it would put me above 465 above the max of 455

[humble halo]

🥁 and

I didn't get reconstruction cache 1/18

[somber reef]

No more descent for now , stuck at 427 . No more blueprints dropping for me . Thank god

Got extra reconstructed caches in the mail

[twin geyser]

Something is wrong with your caches. I'm at 441/455

[somber reef]

Maybe it’s from previous seasons

[nocturne hedge]

I still dont know how to get to 455

Im missing 10, i know one of them is the stinger lmg but no idea about the rest

[twin geyser]

Stinger from referral rewards?

[nocturne hedge]

Yeah i know im missing that, but dont know what the other 9 are

[twin geyser]

It's not it. I'm at 441 now, planning to get the rest today, but one of my friends has all referral rewards and still missing 10 blueprints

[nocturne hedge]

That...sucks

[twin geyser]

So he's like 445 / 455 now.
Could be just a placeholder for future blueprints being added, but it sucks seeing not everything finished at the bench(

[nocturne hedge]

I also have no idea what the 3/6 is right under the BP count

[twin geyser]

3/6 - exotic quests which requires crafting and stuff

I've everything there

455 regular crafting blueprints
6 exotic crafting blueprints

I remember Chatterbox / Nemesis / Liberty / Regulus / Dodge City Holster require crafting

But I don't remember the last one

[nocturne hedge]

Ridgeway?

[twin geyser]

yeap, thanks)

[rustic bough]

I'm at 449. No idea what BPs I'm missing

[somber reef]

Do you guys have orbit and pinprick BPs? I don’t

[nocturne hedge]

Orbit isnt available right now, its gonna be in the loot pool next season

Same thing with pinprick

[somber reef]

Ok then I’m just missing BPs from previous seasons. If any body can confirm their Named BP count that would be great

[humble halo]

Me here with only 3 blueprint from my descent runs

[somber reef]

Long ways to go

[twin geyser]

Can you PM me the screen from crafting bench with 449/455 number, please?

[somber reef]

I’m around 62 named BP , just want to know where other agents are sitting at

[twin geyser]

By the way - 13-th run gave me a recon cache from Nemesis, yay! 🙂

[humble halo]

I was so close to solo challenging cd and got a delta 🥲

[twin geyser]

Not a bug, but a feature, eh?

[humble halo]

Definitely most hear throbbing feature

[humble halo]

When are you gonna carry me on descent

[twin geyser]

Why do you think that I'm smashing descent?)

If we go for blueprints - it's our 4-man party, when everybody knows the role / talents / exo talents to pick)

[humble halo]

With my luck I am sure even 75% chance will be 0%

[twin geyser]

Well, one of our mates got 1 crate for beating loop 25 💀
Which means: no nemesis cache, no loop 15 cache (75% chance) and no loop 18 cache (90% chance)

[humble halo]

Seems like he got 5.11 syndrome

[twin geyser]

New run = new record
30 loop finished in 4-man group = 3 hours 3 minutes 57 seconds

💪 🙂 👍

[nocturne hedge]

How long would 30 to 40 take if you had continued?

[twin geyser]

I'm sure, we would be under 4:30 If we continued

@nocturne hedge

[nocturne hedge]

Thats fast

[twin geyser]

We were literally flying through loops. The build we were working on for last couple of runs works like charm

[twin geyser]

Confirmation - 445 is the max. amount of blueprints as of now.
If you open another recon. cache after 445-th, you get a named item only
So, don't waste your recon. caches, better stash them till February 6

[frozen radish]

confirming this, I have 16 recon caches saved coz I stopped getting bps in them

[frozen radish]

dude thats awesome, can you please share what setup you guys go for? all dps I am assuming? - dm if that'd be more comfortable

[twin geyser]

I'll send PM, because I can't share screenshots here(

[lusty bluff]

any chance you can share it with me too please? thank you

[twin geyser]

DM'd

[fierce sinew]

Share with me also please

[twin geyser]

DM'd

[bright dew]

DM for descent, must have mic

[rustic bough]

Can I have one as well?

[molten swift]

anybody doing Descent

[humble halo]

I need one so I can cry a river

[lapis lion]

Check #lfg-pc

[molten swift]

Thanks

[onyx quest]

are there any good guides covering descent strategies, the best options to pick/upgrades and best things to use your nsa points on first? im having a very hard time getting through it.

[ember tendon]

I usually go with lmg and shotgun, revive hive and foam launcher skill thingie, exotic talents, bulldt hell, pleague of outcasts and bloodsucker, allegro is a must have, for me

[twin geyser]

@rustic bough @humble halo DM'd both

[stiff rain]

would like to know too, thanks in advance

[twin geyser]

DM'd

[cyan fox]

I usually try and get a shotgun and pummel, ad rush, intimidate
Any repair armor talents

[chrome lantern]

This B.S. with the nemesis using a healing chem launcher is RETRDD We get absolute garbage weapons with super slow firing rates. In 30 runs I have not seen plague. All I do is get them to health and then ONE SINGLE use of the healing chem, they get 100% of their armor back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How is this 10% easier? How Ubisoft? So instead of continuing this childish fight, ALT F4 works best to end it. I really enjoy wasting 2 hours of my time for an invincible nemesis.

[sage igloo]

If you’re about to break armor you have to be ready to burn enemies
This is true for all enemies with healing mechanisms like hunters and rouges

Save dps until armor break then you have to rush

[twin geyser]

2 hours? Don't want to sound arrogant but which cycle you're meeting the Nemesis at?
It takes 35 mins to kill it solo

[chrome lantern]

Not arrogant, just more like a sweaty. No offense taken. I'm handicapped and have restrictions when I play. I fight nemesis at the end of 5. So for me, it takes roughly 2 hours in between pauses, etc. So I'll just write it off as you spoke before knowing any details.

[twin geyser]

No offence taken, mate, all good 👍

About their healing - it usually occurs when you have any type of chem launcher or hive. They can covert these skills into healing ones and use against you

[chrome lantern]

I understand this. But you also know that rng plays a huge role in the end fight. I have had to fight the nemesis with an mdr and some pp19 before with like liberty as my exotic. So agaain, with the number of odds stacked against us, it is not a fun fight. I literally cringe before starting descent because I know how poor the rng is. I'm attempting to stack some reconstructed caches before they ruin the descent with their proposed changes. but i won't play unless I have a striker drone. So I literally enter and exit somewhere around 15 plus times before a striker drone is even an option. It is horrific

[chrome lantern]

I never use them when I get to the nemesis because of their OP mechanics in using them. I always try to enter the fight with foam and decoy. this last time I had a pulse ball thing and foam. m60 that shoots 5 rounds per hour and an mp7 with a massive mag size of 40. literally, those were the best options out of 5 loops and remember, 2 loops I had to get skills so the nemesis didn't get ridiculous skills like explosive traps, etc. which that still needs to be addressed when they can deploy 2 turrets, 2 shock traps and so on. I'm just irritated is all. they lock these named caches behind this mode and then say the nemesis is 10% easier. I can post all of the YT clips I have showing the nemesis rushing me like I owed her money. lol

[twin geyser]

Frustration is real, I know. The mode is not balanced well enough, maybe it will be adressed later, we'll see.
If developers are going to implement those horrible changes (rotation) - I don't think that our group will come back to this mode even for blueprints

[chrome lantern]

100%. I hate that I "try" to be a completionist in this game. I already have all of the weapons and gear sets I could possibly need or want. But it really doesn't even matter because when you try to craft an item at Inaya, the rolls are like 40% to 50% on each attribute. I have sat at the table on more occassions than I can remember and attempted to craft say a Belstone bag and of 7 tries, only one had a single attribute over 50%. My resources that I farmed for should be rewarded with nothing less than 75% on each attribute. Just my opinion

[twin geyser]

Well, crafting is random, but in most cases you're getting 20-50% roll on each attribute, you're right

[chrome lantern]

does it ever happen to you when you reconfigure an exotic like the tickle me elmo ar, the attribute will be maxed if it is mag capacity, weapon handling, etc. Like all 3 will be nearly maxed if not maxed. but the second damage out of cover rolls, the wd and health will be like 50% or is this just my terrible rng in this game, again

[cyan fox]

Like making shields in any way viable

[twin geyser]

One of my mates spent 96 exotic components to get Dttoc on st. elmo

💀

[twin geyser]

The game has a simple rule and it works in descent as well - kill faster, than your agent can be killed)

[cyan fox]

I mean yea sure but makes alot of stuff redundant

Id play descent to try different stuff but yellows and blues aren't even viable for higher loops so

Mode loses my interest very quickly

[chrome lantern]

yea, I hear you. like even one blue choice can totally hamper your dps because the amount of clip damage the nemesis does melts even 5 blue cores if that is all you choose along the way to them. as stated by Serj, it would be nice for a little balance. I would like a 4th exo choice like I get for weapon and skill. I wish the reroll talent wasn't so punishing for those of us who just want to get in and out.

[cyan fox]

I remember when the mode first launched I went into it with a 4 man and wrote in chat "I'm gonna try a healer build" 💀💀

[twin geyser]

Just to understand how our descent runs go now:

• we enter the room
• 20-35 sec for cleaning 3 waves of elite enemies at loops 23-30
• leave after loop 31
  Enemies LITERALLY can't take a step from the spawn door

So while we can - we use this opportunity to farm some recon caches for next season, in case they're destroying / nerfing removing something

[chrome lantern]

nice and you know 2 things are for certain. They will keep adding expensive FOMO cosmetics (like the blackout one which the helmet is just a reskin of a current helmet. pretty sweet but 650? nah) and gameplay will be broken. lol. Man, I wish that I had 3 mates I could rely on to do incursions (want a perfect run for the mask) and stock up on recons.

[twin geyser]

I don't buy anything for real money in the division 2 except season tracks (10 bucks once per 4 months and you have a lot of things). Sadly, there are players, who support FOMO, so... it'll continue

[cyan fox]

The blueprints being in descent really don't motivate me enough to grind it

Idk smth about the mode doesn't sit right with me

Especially since for me the mode is horribly boring solo

[twin geyser]

Better to grind the blueprint, so you don't grind the item, eh?

[chrome lantern]

this is my exact sentiment. even though whilst solo the nemesis is 10% easier (so it goes) but this game is BRILLIANT in groups

[cyan fox]

I just don't get any stimulation playing solo descent idk

[chrome lantern]

also, why does bench show 455 yet we are currently at 445? I have wasted 2 recons thinking the 10 missing would appear. Womp Womp, jokes on me. lol

[chrome lantern]

I have been trying to get a striker since we started chatting and absolutely bugger all! one hour. hhaaaah. I swear the rng God(s) hate my guts

[twin geyser]

We were farming some stuff for days without luck 💀

Anyway, went sleeping. Good luck in descent, everybody

[chrome lantern]

Night man. Thx for the responses and all

[bold finch]

I definitely won't be playing descent anymore if those changes go through

[compact harbor]

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[chrome lantern]

making the patch quicker to nemesis, but not adjusting credits for doing so and having rotating exotics? We should be able to reroll exotics, get a 4th choice of exotics and reroll weapon/skill options? that would be a start in the right direction.

[bold finch]

That and whats going to hurt it the most is rotating all the talents

Just won't be worth it

[timid mauve]

from the PTS I feel nemesis run equivalent to hard difficulty to outside world, and they did buff the descent coins in the test server

[bold finch]

Hope the placeholder for how much exotic caches were also changes

That was double what the countdown and dz vendor exotic caches are

But the talent rotation is what is going to kill it for me. I know it's rng every time I play now but when that changes what am I supposed to do make a skill build

[timid mauve]

in PTS 3 pistol headshot per normal NPC at early stage, basically we can full send mode regardless the talent run through all loops til to nemesis fight

[rustic bough]

5 exotic talents by loop 6 💀

[hidden idol]

Somehow I managed to get 7 exotic choices in a row, loop 2 to 7 or 8

I say 7, but the first one is guaranteed so 6 would be the correct number.

[rustic bough]

crashed midway in Descent 💀
I thought they fixed the crashes 😩

[twin geyser]

2000 fixes are coming, hopefully crash fix is somewhere there too

[humble halo]

Including crash we would have 2001

[twin geyser]

Imagine 1000 fixes being like:

• moved a box 2 centimetres left
• corrected billboard name mistake
• fixed clipping mag issue on kingbreaker.... Wait, this one is not going to happen 💀

[nocturne hedge]

lmao

idk but the idea of a gun named king BREAKER being broken is funny to me

[humble halo]

More like u can now get stuck between the gap cause the box moved 2 centimetres

[twin geyser]

Kingbroken 💀

[twin geyser]

And that one will be fixed in Project Resolve 2. So we'll push DLC release to 2027

[cyan fox]

You reckon the reason why they haven't released new weapons since s9 is because the tkb came out looking broken as hell

Cuz I would bet good money that's why

[nocturne hedge]

but they kept releasing good gear i guess

[cyan fox]

Yea but I'd love some new weapons

[twin geyser]

Lengmo, for example

[nocturne hedge]

im guessing the same dudes who make gear also make guns

[humble halo]

Yeah

I want M4A1

[cyan fox]

Maybe they are saving all the new weapons for the dlc

[humble halo]

With grenade launchers as the talent like COD MW

[cyan fox]

(reduced damage against named enemies)

[humble halo]

Increased damage against named enemies

[timid mauve]

wish I could see Hermano's talent get fixed one day🥲

[humble halo]

I have one with repair skill and haste with skill tier 🥲🥲

[nocturne hedge]

Can lvl 30 players get rec caches?

[rustic bough]

The old drop rate applies (12% per Nem kill + 49% at loop 30)

[nocturne hedge]

oh shit

[nocturne hedge]

as a lvl 30 player, what loop do i need to finish to get a simulation cache?

[humble halo]

Why don't you play on main than let it go to stash and pick it up

[twin geyser]

16 recon. caches in the stash. Not a lot, but it's honest grind

[humble halo]

Better than the 1/19

[rustic bough]

I think you'll get at least one from reaching loop 8

[rustic bough]

Imagine if you'll only get the remaining 10 blueprints via LV 30 characters

😂

[spark nexus]

can anyone share a build example for fast nemesis? i mean loop 5 nemesis

[twin geyser]

😂🙂💀

[twilit whale]

Just foam the dude and gg. Trauma works too.

[frozen radish]

@twin geyser dude we tried your setup with intimidate, beat loop 40 in 4 hours-ish - we were invincible ....thank you for sharing

[twin geyser]

Glad it worked for you 🙂

[granite wagon]

After reading the Developers Notes: I can only say it again, the problem is not not knowing what Talents are in the rotation or how long it is, the problem is the ROTATION ITSELF! Restricting players to a set of Talents which they did not choose themselves just feels and is unfun! There are so many useless Talents in Descent, getting a good rotation to go higher rounds can be impossible for up to or over half a year with the Rotation!
The solution is simple: let PLAYERS choose the Talent-pool for themselfs. If they wanna experiment they can do that if they only want "the best" to go for high rounds thats also ok. If you want to balance it around randomness, which this game has already enough of, just set the limit to 10-15 of each (red, blue, yellow) so the player has to choose some bad ones. But putting the Talents behind yet another randomness factor isnt helping at all!
Please do not ruin such a fun mode just because you think a rotation should fix the problem of having "too many talents"!

side note: look at Risk of Rain 2, which is kinda similar in its Gameplay loop and premise, they have SO many Items(Talents) and it isnt a problem at all in that game...

[twin geyser]

I agree. Rotation is crap, which should never been even discussed at first place

[dusk niche]

If they want players happy they should adjust the rng to give talents you already have, or at least decrease the reroll cost

[granite wagon]

Im sorry but that isnt a problem at all. The nemesis isnt hard at all if you know what you do and by loop 25, which is when you can only choose hard rooms (rogues) you basically have enough money and your build should be nearly all finished and full.

[granite wagon]

If youre not choosing blue talents, which you shouldnt anyway because most of them are useless in their current form

[dusk niche]

Nemesis is not hard at all but a nemesis run I reroll quite a bit because of the useless talents (for solo at least). Doesn't stop me from beating nemesis but it's annoying the credits spent sometimes to get a talent or a tier of a talent

[twin geyser]

credit limit must be set - I'm scared to spend 7000 for one roll

[granite wagon]

then dont xD, just skip. And even if you do at higher loops you can have upwards of 50k.... :)

[twin geyser]

I once wasted 80k but I got the talent I needed)
HOWEVER, I had only 5k left 💀

I guess, the only way to stop implementing rotation is by giving massive feedback during PTS Phase 2, but it must be done by A LOT of players

[dusk niche]

It's sad that they think it's a good idea to implement
Are they ever going to fix the descent comms or people will never catch up? 🤣

[mighty tartan]

How many NSA currency does everyone have

[frozen radish]

66k

[wise granite]

3k. bro, gotta love when the run ends because the one remaining npc is stuck behind the closed door

[frozen radish]

do we know how much the exotic cache gonna cost?

[twin geyser]

New record for 30 loop 4-man clear = 3 hours 2 minutes 48 seconds (42 seconds faster than last time 🙂 )
I want to break 3 hour time one day 🙂

[nocturne hedge]

If there's one thing descent taught me is to never gamble IRL

[frozen radish]

We're around 3 and a half and I dont know how we can cut time. do you guys check the hazard of the room or dont care and pick whatever's closest?