td2-descent

[balmy finch]

exactly so for runs to nemesis then easy is better, and for endless runs it doesnt matter

[rustic bough]

I only do med-long runs. I've never really "farmed" Nemesis for the recon caches

[balmy finch]

why med-long runs, what do you get from it

[rustic bough]

Hoard NSA tech

[balmy finch]

for what lmao

[raven lagoon]

a sense of self satisfaction 🫠

buahahaha

[rustic bough]

For when there are more to spend on

[rustic bough]

EA tm

[balmy finch]

shd watch mentality

[balmy finch]

who says there will be

[rustic bough]

Okay, if

[raven lagoon]

there's a light at the end of the tunnel....oh wait....that's just a train...OOF

[rustic bough]

If the Descent game mode isn't abandoned

But anyway, it's "saving for a rainy day"

[balmy finch]

how many creds you got

[rustic bough]

About 28k

[nocturne hedge]

If they add reconstructed caches for 1k nsa tech I'll be done with this shit

[balmy finch]

you are really praying on that

[rustic bough]

🙂

[raven lagoon]

they'll add caches to the vendor....at 50k a pop 🫠

[rustic bough]

If they add something like "upgrade exotic talents"

[balmy finch]

since im not a developer i can neither confirm nor deny this

[raven lagoon]

lmfao

[balmy finch]

i nuked nemesis with an acs 12 with breathe free and GC

[rustic bough]

This is the way

[nocturne hedge]

Never tried gc there

More of a agonizing bite kinda guy for nemesis

[raven lagoon]

plague \o/

[rustic bough]

My teammate picked GC from loops 12-19. What a madman

[balmy finch]

plague too slow

[nocturne hedge]

Oh thats a first if i get the option

[raven lagoon]

dude plague usually kills nem in like 8 seconds flat, lol

i've never had a fight with nem and plague that lasted more than like 20 seconds at most

[balmy finch]

after the 8 seconds of shootung

[nocturne hedge]

Use a full auto stack and then swap to a high damage gun

[balmy finch]

this took 5 seconds

[nocturne hedge]

Watch him die

[rustic bough]

Kirra has a different perception of time

[nocturne hedge]

The fuck are you gonna do in that 3 seconds of your life

[raven lagoon]

nah, i tend to have shit tons of allegro with an lmg with plague and all red cores....so....the entire fight lasts about 10-12 seconds

[rustic bough]

Chatterbox and LMGs

[balmy finch]

since im not a developer ill probably just brag to kirra about being better

[nocturne hedge]

Goes really good with m60

[rustic bough]

Yes

[raven lagoon]

eevee got that dev mode err god mode skill going

😂

[balmy finch]

breathe free shotgun > whatever the fuck kirra uses

[rustic bough]

I wanna orb strike the Descent facility

[raven lagoon]

sometimes i like to just sit back, shoot a few bullets and drink a beer versus actually trying...and just watch nem die from behind cover, lol

you know, the boring method of doing nothing but still winning, haha

[balmy finch]

or you can just kill super quick and then drink the beer afterwards

[raven lagoon]

again 12 seconds pretty quick

[nocturne hedge]

And when he pops a restorer hive ill just throw 2 nades

[rustic bough]

Or you know, don't drink at all

[balmy finch]

12 > 5

[rustic bough]

If the heals outheal your plague ticks you have a skill issue

[nocturne hedge]

So much shit can be done in that 7 seconds

[raven lagoon]

but that 5 requires more effort....lol both hands

I don't have a long sippy straw....i need other hand for my drink, lol

[balmy finch]

weirdo, who tf doesnt have a long sippy straw

[raven lagoon]

my dogs ate it, lol

[balmy finch]

unfortunate

rip the sippy straw

[raven lagoon]

they also ate the door handle of my back door shrug

[rustic bough]

This is why I don't have dogs

[raven lagoon]

i think they're part piranha

[balmy finch]

lol thats the uh what are they called

chihuahuas

[raven lagoon]

got two italian greyhounds, and they know you pull the handle DOWN to open the door....so that was their attempt of getting in the house. XD damn smart buggers

[mighty tartan]

I think 1 red canister would kill you instantly with GC

Or any kind of enemy explosive that you can’t hide from

[humble halo]

with gc the only way to win is kill them quick otherwise 1 mistake and dead

[mighty tartan]

For this mode, the benefits don’t outweigh what you would get out of it Vs other exotics imo

Higher risk but same reward

[humble halo]

plauge with acs and m44 kicks the hell out of pgc

so yeah totally agree

[balmy finch]

I only run GC solo or if I pick it up loop 5

[neon spear]

Finally made it to nemesis and yeah we got our A🫢🫢 kicked 😭😂

[humble halo]

reset and repeat

[neon spear]

@humble halo only if I get matched wit good players

[balmy finch]

Just solo it

Matchmaking is dogshit

[nocturne hedge]

Solo is much easier

[balmy finch]

Significantly lmao

Kill nem in 5 shells

[nocturne hedge]

And recently nemesis was nerfed to deal 10% less damage in solos

[balmy finch]

When was this

[nocturne hedge]

One of my nemesis runs somehow ended up in loop 6 which really confused me lol

[nocturne hedge]

Latest update

[balmy finch]

Ah

Never read 18.3 patch notes lol

[balmy finch]

Probably too many medium rooms; did you do any HVT?

[neon spear]

@balmy finch I'ma try a solo and see how far I get

[nocturne hedge]

Nope i did the easiest rooms available

[balmy finch]

Oof bad rng

[nocturne hedge]

Caused the run to take 10 mins longer cause of the double waves of L6

And no rec cache out of to make it worth it

[balmy finch]

Unfortunate

[mighty tartan]

What’s the % chance to have exotic talents appear after the first one

[nocturne hedge]

i remember seeing a screenshot of the chances but not sure if i still have it, maybe @raven lagoon can help on this one

[nocturne hedge]

just got a delta right before nemesis...

[stiff rain]

Exotic chance changes based on current loop:

1 100%
2-3 5%
4-6 25%
7-9 35%
9+ 40%

[mighty tartan]

Thx

[humble halo]

damm means i was supremely unlucky

[raven lagoon]

oops, missed the mention, sorry. was too busy shoving my head through my desk at work

[stiff rain]

no worries i gotchu 😉

[raven lagoon]

much appreciated

[cosmic stream]

Made it to loop6 slowly improving and gaining certain permanent upgrades to help out

[twin geyser]

10/14 descent comms. 4 more to go

[raven lagoon]

i missed last weeks, oof....i'll be a week behind now. Grrrr

[nocturne hedge]

7/14 oof

[icy dagger]

1/14 🥲

[humble halo]

idk/14 where to check?

[balmy finch]

Comms section of the collectibles lol

[nocturne hedge]

Progression > collectibles > comms > descent

[humble halo]

yeah found it 5/14

[rustic bough]

4 more weeks

[nocturne hedge]

7 for me lol

[humble halo]

9 for me

[balmy finch]

10/14

this comm terrifies me

[vast garnet]

Apparently it's possible to both kill Nemesis AND die from him. Sometimes I wish the devs would have thought to add commendations for edge cases like this.

[rustic bough]

Uhhh no thanks

[wide karma]

Is there a post on recommend build for descent?
I was able to reach to floor 25, but was feeling the hand cramp and want to see what others says about the core attributes distribution

[raven lagoon]

yeah, been there before....it sucks. lol

[coral fox]

does that count as a kill for the weekly project still ?

[rustic bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1080747528389148723/1137408083874820166/image.png
Made it to 32 with this. Died due to bad luck

[vast garnet]

Yes, and I got the exotic cache too. https://streamable.com/nvnzww

[wide karma]

usually bad luck as well and I went in solo since it takes so much time to do descent.
I usually pick bullet hell so I can save few slot in yellow (and lazy to reload).
Just today I was able to get to 22, but got kill by rouge back to back

[rustic bough]

didn't need to reload when Incessant Chatter does it for you.

[wide karma]

Ya, I guess so.
the skills I pick usually 'work' with Bullet Hell, so no Optimist, Extra, and Lucky Shot.
I usually end up running around because I want to kill outcast's bomber or black tusk's chunka or dogs first so less danger.
so no overwatch or composure

I usually pick up crit chance & dmg for red

[rustic bough]

I'm yet to explore the crit path

[wide karma]

I usually pair with Agonizing Bite (Diamondback).
the issue is you have to hit the mark target first to get that guarantee crit dmg (least for 2s)

also at floor 20 ~ 23, I don't have any sub skill that's at lv10 yet, and I mainly invest in red core attributes.
Which I might need to invest to blue core every 3 floor to survive longer when rouge agent show up.
They hit pretty hard.

I guess don't go crit route if you got Plague since dmg is base of your 'weapon damage'.
which those red skill you pick will definitely buff the per sec dmg.
specially the bug (or feature) after marking unit with LMG or AR, then switch to high damage weapon like sniper can stack both weapon damage and kill them instantly.

[rustic bough]

you can if you have Obliterate

[wide karma]

ya, but the stack (I believe it only last for 5s when not shoot or crit) might get lost when using sniper (low fire rate even with steady hand or weapon handling) and need high crit chance to trigger.
If you invest at the SHD vender, it only give you max 10 crit chance.
compare the other red skills you got that most of it can trigger it at the start of the room, in my opinion it just not worth it.

[rustic bough]

5 seconds is for Tier 1. it increases by a second for each tier

so at tier 10 you'll have 180% weapon damage for 14 seconds, that I think is pretty viable

[wide karma]

wow, I really need to spend more SHD money down there to get the skills to level 10.
I end up have bunch talents at mid-max

[rustic bough]

the only issue is the RNG for choosing exotic talents. I only go crit if I get Agonizing Bite, otherwise it's too late to build.

[wide karma]

Is there a reason not getting Allegro?

[rustic bough]

Incessant chatter gives up to 100% fire rate, Allegro can be helpful but waste of a slot imo

since at max tier it's 70%

[wide karma]

ture.

I did go with plague with one of the run.
the 2nd and 3rd exotic I got were Breath free (Backfire SMG) and Adaptive instincts (Chameleon), but die at floor 9 i think.

[rustic bough]

Adaptive Instincts is terrible

also no, Breathe Free is from Lady Death

[humble halo]

better than adaptive instinct for shotguns especially super90/M870

you can one tap nearly 4-5 rooms with that

[rustic bough]

indeed

I went with Breathe Free and Glass Cannon

[humble halo]

i got adaptive instinct/breadth free and blind justice as a choice

[rustic bough]

blind justice? that's the worst.

[humble halo]

finding the best talent in worst rng

still breadth free is useful than both

[rustic bough]

yes

[humble halo]

75% amp is good especially with shotguns

who don't have mag to deplete and you have to run few steps and you are full on stacks

why the. hell dis they even put blind justice ghere waste of slot

why not scorpio talent

or Regicide with M870

[balmy finch]

Because it would be broken?

[wide karma]

I wish you can pay SHD money to get more exotic slot.
3 are just not enough.
Yes, I am greedy.

[humble halo]

yeah i can see that but they can at least remove blind justice

[timid mauve]

They like make everything in RNG, half of stuff good and other half is bad, although I keeps getting the half bad. 💀

[humble halo]

nice i get 70% bad 30% most of the time good did a run got hazpro braced increased skill duration

[twin geyser]

I agree. 6 exotic slots would be dope 👀

[humble halo]

6 are low Make it 3+6 =9

[twin geyser]

You're god damn right

[wide karma]

also, where do I find ppl to run long descent run?
#lfg-pc ?

I usually end up soloing it

[balmy finch]

Yes that channel

[gloomy pulsar]

Upgradeable exotic perks could be fun, rare chance to get them, but rerolls with all the extra descent creds should work

300% firerate chatter inbound

[balmy finch]

With a lucky shot / extra acs-12

[nocturne hedge]

a glass canon upgrade so you can reduce incoming damage

or unbreakable as a new blue/exotic

[gloomy pulsar]

^ I second this

[humble halo]

unbreakable would be nice

[twin geyser]

What's the point of unbreakable in a game mode, where everything one-taps you? It won't save you anyway)

[humble halo]

the game has mechanic to save you from instant death

but it is on cooldown if used

[twin geyser]

I know, but if the damage is too much, you lose all you armor, 99% of HP instantly

[humble halo]

the reason sniper can't one tap you when at full armor once

[twin geyser]

Which means next armor loss will cause you falling

[humble halo]

yeah but after that unbreakable will proc

hopefully never tested like that

[twin geyser]

It's just my case from the past, so I won't take it for sure

[humble halo]

i can relate i run with all red core or skill tier no armor

because it doesn't help they will still blow all your armour

[twin geyser]

It's like, sniper's damage is 5 mil, for example.
You have 2 mil armor and 1 mil HP.
First shot strips you off (2 mil armor) and take all your HP to 1%
Unbreakable procs, but you don't have this magic protection anymore, so next 5mil shot is your last one

And don't forget, that you have to sacrifice your talent / exo talent slot

[nocturne hedge]

if unbreakable ends up being blue, the tier 10 version can have a short cooldown

like 15 seconds

[humble halo]

if its exo than it is bad normal talent may be arguably at one point

[nocturne hedge]

like bloodsucker imo should go back to blue

and be upgradeable

[twin geyser]

Agree

[humble halo]

also blind justice should be begone from exo pool

[nocturne hedge]

gone in general

[twin geyser]

Who uses blind justice at all?

[humble halo]

that is the point sandman is worth more than that

[twin geyser]

For real

[nocturne hedge]

sandman should be gone too

shit i rather have merciless

[twin geyser]

I'm curious, will they do something big for descent in the beginning of the next season.
I don't want to re-farm arm patches but in season 2 💀

[nocturne hedge]

i got the loop 30 arm patch but just cant be bothered for L40

[humble halo]

i can't be bothered to play more than 2hrs feels boring

also when rng starts to suck it is time to say goodbye

[nocturne hedge]

L86 and ACR SS hit kinda hard

not things i would use in the main game but theyre really good for nemesis runs

[mighty tartan]

How many arm patches are there

[nocturne hedge]

5 total this season:
Nemesis, loop 10, loop 20, loop 30 and loop 40

[mighty tartan]

Damn loop 40

That’s an entire day if you didn’t crash

[nocturne hedge]

Around 8 hours

Less maybe

[mighty tartan]

I need a nap by loop 20

[nocturne hedge]

Yeah its so bs

[twin geyser]

5:23 our record. Duo

[nocturne hedge]

7 sounds average i guess

But 5,23 is really good

[humble halo]

very good never gone past 13 feels boring

[wide karma]

the mode just take way too long if you want to get to 40, specially on pc there is a chance game can crash or DC and it doesn't have some sort of checkpoint like the summit.

[nocturne hedge]

the real challenge is the mental stamina

and the NPCs in loops 30+

they just one-shot you

[twin geyser]

Indeed. We took only one break for 10 mins. Headache after the run was terrible

[wide karma]

That's true.
Also got a question, do enemy 'wave' increase at specify floor?
My personal score is at 25, wave is at 3 at that point.

[nocturne hedge]

3 seems to be max

for solo players: 2 waves starting loop 6, 3 waves starting loop 17

[wide karma]

oh ya, enemy scale base on team size.
Find solo or duo much easier (specially vs rouge).
BTW, what's you guy's core attributes distribution?
I end up invest more in red core and want to know when I should invest into blue or yellow.

[nocturne hedge]

i usually go full red

messed around with different combinations like one blue every Xth loop, but always came back to full red eventually

[wide karma]

ture.
it also sounds like after specify floor enemy just one shot you, so not sure need to invest into blue.
unless run with specify blue talent that give you 'extra' armor I guess.

Oh, do white tusk start show up too?

[nocturne hedge]

there was a picture showing legendary difficulty but i guess it never made it

[humble halo]

reviver hive is very good in descent

[nocturne hedge]

yup

[wide karma]

Its one of the best, but RNG god never give me one

If you are soloing, do you still need revive token?

[nocturne hedge]

yeah, hive can revive you from a downed state but if you wanna res yourself from a fully dead position you need a token

[humble halo]

yes

[wide karma]

good to know.
Play with some ppl other day and freak out why cannot revive a fully dead teammate and says the game mode broken.
(some teammates fully die at the last round)

[nocturne hedge]

for short loop runs solo seem to be best, for high loops duos seem good

[wide karma]

So for high loops, you need:
-mental stamina
-6~8 hour of 'free time'

I guess I will never get that far

[raven lagoon]

high loops = poop bucket

[nocturne hedge]

plus food and drink

god forbid if you stay afk for one minute longer than what you want to, straight to the lobby

[jolly cave]

Y'all need hobbies.

[wide karma]

I am piss as well is that when you complete more then 20 floor, the extra caches that you cannot hold in your backpack just drop on open world since is full.
at less program it to send to stash box.

[wide karma]

I do, play other game.
I just doing descent for the weekly. If I am not able to get to deeper floor. So be it. 🙂

[raven lagoon]

my hobby is I pet my dogs, lol. and get slave driven at work....those occupy most of my time these days...

[humble halo]

you running slav* R****t 👀

[mighty tartan]

I think shields are the rarest to appear for skill slot

[nocturne hedge]

and not worth running either

[nocturne hedge]

what happened to your acting career

[raven lagoon]

currently on strike

[humble halo]

nice

[grave sail]

man iv'e tried descent couple times now and while i do live roguelite/like games, this is a stupid implementation of it. its so unrewarding that it really shouldnt be in the game even

spend hours in it, "most i can give you is halfa level and a few boxes"

and then im supposed to play it a long time to unlock all the nsa currency stuff

and on top of that i cant quick in the middle of a several hour run to go do my real stuff chores. feels kinda like that didnt hit the mark with this one

anyone figured out how long it would take to max out all the nsa currency stuff yet?

[wide karma]

I just finished max out NSA skills around 70 ~ 80 floor (none continuous). Deeper floor do give you 'extra' SHD token for the upgrade
note* I think I also did 10 ~ 20 room with elite boss/rouges for extra token.
so that be different for you.

[grave sail]

oh i see, that doesnt seem that long

im tryng ot matchmake and see if group play is more fun, but im just getting afk lobbies

so matchmaking at this time is a no go atleast

[rich yarrow]

I wish I could matchmake but it doesn’t work for me no matter what I do.

[wide karma]

for long run (10 floor +), recommend Duo or Solo do more member join just make enemies tanky and spawn more rouges and nemesis

I will have time tomorrow (Sat.) pacific time if you want to do a run

[grave sail]

sadly cant make a game schedule on weekends, otherwise i would jump on it asap 😄

[cosmic stream]

I got rammed by a shock trap

I was running well then suddenly I get instant kill by those annoying shock charge

[wide karma]

outcast bomber got me kill sometime

[loud hollow]

Anyone get an enemy stuck behind a closed door?
No one had an oxidizer. Just grenades, riot foam, turrets, striker drone, & a stinger hive. We could glitch them through the door and they’d lock on but not fire.
Happened in cafeteria on loop 17. We tried a few different ideas before we gave up & left. Just wondering if anyone else has seen something like this in descent lol

[humble halo]

yeah it happens often in open world/mission

so not really surprising to see it here

[loud hollow]

Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a workaround for it in descent unless someone has an oxidizer which is pretty unlikely in my experience. It’s basically the end of your run if it happens

[humble halo]

yeah but after some time enemy should kill itself like 10-20 minutes

[loud hollow]

We were in there for awhile trying different ideas. Definitely between 10-20 min. I thought it might de-spawn as well but I wasn’t trying to wait any longer.

[nocturne hedge]

usually the cleaner snipers' RC car gets stuck for me

99% its that thing

[nocturne hedge]

got the blueprint for dark winter👀

[humble halo]

nice

[dusky kraken]

Descent is broken as all get out for me. I've never made it past/through loop 6 without the game giving me a Delta error, I can never, never get a full group in because one or more members will get kicked with a delta error every time.
EVERY. TIME.
And it's not my connection. I can play every other mode just fine.

[humble halo]

never thought ps players would complain about that i thought it was just us PC players 😂

[balmy finch]

I have no issues in descent

[humble halo]

because you are a dev

[pine siren]

fastest Nemesis kill yet: they lasted 10s from spawn to death (I had ALL the luck with fire ammo, 3 exotic talents, etc etc)

[humble halo]

must have plauge of outcast woth acs and foam and a sniper with lot of dmg

[rustic zinc]

Can you help me with Nemesis?

Or one of you? We Just achieve 82% :/

[humble halo]

you can't join midway in descent and we are on pc

[rustic zinc]

Is it Crossplay?

[humble halo]

no

[rustic zinc]

Sadge. Do you know anyone on Ps who can help me?

[pine siren]

close - hit him with fire ammo from pistol, then a bunch of super-90 shots, then equipped sniper. I generally avoid bringing foam to nemesis, it's too annoying when they use it against you

[humble halo]

super 90 is good very good i would say beside acs 12 and m870

[pine siren]

yeah, got it as my starting weapon along with reviver hive (which I never ended up needing) - definitely a part of the luck of this run!

[rustic zinc]

So no one to help me with it on Ps?

What are the best strategies for this?

[timid mauve]

The fastest of mine is 2 shots M870 with glass cannon

[nocturne hedge]

people cant join a descent match progress. once you start a match you are on your own

[rustic zinc]

Maybe from Start? We can‘t get Over 82%

[pine siren]

best strategy: run easiest rooms so reach nemesis earlier (end of loop 5 is earliest), if you can find Trauma talent then bring that, the blind on headshot is very useful, other CC skills also useful but remember he'll use them against you too

then it's just about getting good at shooting him when he's not shooting back (while running or CC'd or whatever) - if he hits you, stay in cover for a bit to restore your 1-hit protection

[nocturne hedge]

plague is really good for nemesis

specially if you have an mmr

[rustic zinc]

Thanks Guys :)

[rustic zinc]

Thanks to your Tips, I slayed him!

Thank you!

But I did Not get the Sniper Rifle

Why?

[humble halo]

RnG

[rustic zinc]

So the Blueprint is RnG??

[balmy finch]

Yes

[balmy finch]

Incendiary ammo

[rustic zinc]

Why tf Are they doing this? I sweated so hard..

[balmy finch]

Why are you sweating at a video game is the biggest concern

[rustic zinc]

I could Not Beat Nemesis for so long. So I sweated to defeat him now. I normally don‘t sweat..

[balmy finch]

You'll figure it out at some point it's easy af

With the right loadout it takes like 10 seconds

[rustic zinc]

I mean yeah After my last mine it was pretty easy but I thought I will get the sniper Right away :/ Damn it

[balmy finch]

This entire game is RNG

And they won't just hand out powerful blueprints for free lol

[humble halo]

well only few blueprints are worth it somethings are just best left ignored

[balmy finch]

better than the regular blueprints

[nocturne hedge]

i always get shock and high velocity ammo before nemesis, loop 5

[humble halo]

shock is good

[nocturne hedge]

nemesis is immune to shock

[humble halo]

no give me regulus and take all dz exclusive item i would not mind

[balmy finch]

no

[humble halo]

than useless

[balmy finch]

incendiary ammo >

[humble halo]

yes i don't use most dz exclusive except for kard kustom

[twin geyser]

since last patch these clowns randomised special ammo as well. I haven't touched a single ammo box throughout the run and I ALWAYS got fire bullets. But not anymore

[fiery marsh]

High velocity is almost as good as fire in my opinion. It still staggers

And it seems more common than fire at the nemesis supply station.

[humble halo]

i always get fire ammo for some reason

[twin geyser]

There was a trick - if you have fire ammo in your supply station and you haven't used it - it will stay with you until you pick it

[fiery marsh]

Like in the previous stations? I rarely buy ammo before the nemesis station

Majority of the time, it’s shock and HV for options

[balmy finch]

Always*

[balmy finch]

You should buy incendiary ammo and put it on your sidearm or secondary

It's really nice when stacked with empowered

[fiery marsh]

I guess, I just run from room to room usually

Probably only adds 10 seconds I suppose if I were to stop

[balmy finch]

Not like you'll die if you don't get a Speedrun time

[fiery marsh]

True, my patience is kinda gone. My RNG is terrible with the caches, so I just do the weekly comms.

[balmy finch]

Same with me lmao

[humble halo]

forgot to do this week

need to do it

[fiery marsh]

I’d like the blueprints for completion sake, but I won’t use any of them most likely

I’ll wait to see if the mode gets a revamp before I go grinding for those again. I did burn myself out between the nemesis runs and loop 40.

[wide karma]

do you still need to do descent?
looking for 1 person to do a duo run

[mighty tartan]

I’ve gotten pretty adept at killing Nemesis solo, even with bad rng

[wide karma]

solo or 2 people group is easy to deal with nemesis or rouges, but more people in group is just too much health and too many to handle

[mighty tartan]

There is a limit to how hard you can carry your group in this mode yeah

It’s designed to where 1 player will get overwhelmed even if they are very skilled if the other 3 players are down

[wide karma]

and also rng, it does show spawn locations, but is up to the team work and communication to get it work.
it also take a toll to your mental.

[humble halo]

playing hide and seek with nemisis is fun

[mighty tartan]

I like Vermintide 2’s Chaos Wastes cause it has an endpoint for that very instance

[ivory magnet]

Are exotic talent stations weighted or something? Like I noticed in my clan runs of descent we will pick rooms based on the rooms and the modifiers right? So we'll choose easy, medium or hard right? We also always avoid EMP modifiers and EMP Lab and some of the other terrible rooms in descent like security and 3D printing lab, I've noticed on those runs my chances of getting exotic talents are MUCH higher than runs where we're doing hard rooms all the way through because pubbies in pick up games don't seem to understand these things called "tactics" or "strategy"

[timid mauve]

Nah, it's purely RNG, higher chance with higher loop except L1.

[mighty tartan]

I really dislike the Steam boiler room

[wide karma]

bunker floor overall is a mass

[nocturne hedge]

transit sucks

in fact all of the potomac bunker layouts suck

[humble halo]

should have been white house inside

[nocturne hedge]

maybe black tusk used descent to know the white house layout lol

[wise granite]

we need more tilesets for descent, i stfg. i can only go through the same 2 tilesets in both orders so many times

[wide karma]

and also try to avoid the bad tile if possible.

[raven lagoon]

incoming, outdoor style tileset with woods and trees and rocks and mfing nature maaaaaaaan

[dusky kraken]

Tried yesterday again: two matchmaking sessions. The first, everyone immediately Delta'd after ready up. Second attempt with a different set of random people, two people Delta'd after ready up once the lobby loaded.

[ionic plover]

I just got murdered.;

Killed everyone... Then the MVP walked out of the door on my left... Immediately got bullet hailed on

[balmy finch]

There's only one layout

Well two including the NSA labs

[nocturne hedge]

i mean rooms

[balmy finch]

The rooms are all in the same order each run

[wide karma]

Not the NSA tile, but its pretty much the same

like the server room can be 1st selection or at the last

[dusky kraken]

@ionic plover That's up there with the HVT that walked up to me casually with a shotgun while taking almost no damage and turning me into a fine red mist on loop 4. :/

[wide karma]

oof

[ionic plover]

That EMP room moment when

SYSTEM MALFUNCTIONING

SYSTEM RESTORED

SYSTEM CURTAILED-

[ionic plover]

Game just crashed when I activated the combat sim lol

[rustic bough]

That EMP room with EMP modifier is a death wish

But it's still doable in any scenario

[balmy finch]

Yeah, same layout you just spawn backwards in one of them

Not joking

You spawn next to the arena

[wide karma]

like black tusk?

[rustic bough]

yes

[nocturne hedge]

EMPs just screw up with the player vision way too much

[wide karma]

that too, the EMP 'wave' really make enemy hard to see

[balmy finch]

No?

I have zero issues seeing my targets when jammed

[nocturne hedge]

good for you. the rest of us have some issues

[humble halo]

you are the ideal div player on pc no issues no crashes no deltas.

[twin geyser]

You tell us, you don't see that giant disrupting wave every 3 sec on your screen, right?

[humble halo]

Lol

[balmy finch]

I do

[wide karma]

darn it. die at floor 20 by outcast bomber.

[dusky kraken]

Last night's attempt: did matchmaking, went to open the crate to the left of the door while I waited, game decided the create was the door, Delta'd two players leaving me and one other guy. We actually made it to Nemesis.... And I was immediately shocked, EMP'd, and downed within 7 seconds, then both of us were bomb-droned and wiped within 11 seconds.
I had taken two offensive and like 3 or 4 defensive talent upgrades.
I had Plague, optimist, and a magnum and had been absolutely wasting purples and a few yellows in the final loop.
Super annoying.

Both nemesis agents also ignored both decoys and foam like they weren't even there.

[loud hollow]

Descent is easier with 2-3 ppl compared to 4. Especially if any member is inexperienced. Solo is the easiest imo though it is more fun in a group

[wide karma]

True, I always get trauma yellow talent and have fire or shock on my pistol from previous floor.

Also have to make sure teammates don’t pick turret, drone, or ball. It just make nemesis annoying and op

[nova topaz]

It's not the status effect. It's the visual effect of the waves in the air. They can overlap and make it extremely hard to see enemies on the opposite side of a room.

Depending on how much they overlap some enemies can be pretty much invisible standing directly across from you in the open.

[balmy finch]

???????? No Ive never come across this

[nova topaz]

I think that's the point though. EMP no longer disables actives skill in Ths Descent and it effects enemies. So I assumed they intended it for it to cause visual clutter.

[balmy finch]

What

No the emp does disable skills

[mighty tartan]

Crashes and Deltas are the most challenging rng for Descent

More than Rogues and room hazards

[jolly cave]

@patent verge You're looking for #lfg-playstation

[timid mauve]

Enemy still disoriented by the EMP. And if you learn the map good enough, it shouldn't be problem to predict where enemy standing,
. The worst visual effect is fire hazard in NSA boss arena, I literally can't see shit, not even the red/purple/yellow dot above enemy's head.

[wide karma]

on top of that sometime enemy in boss arena step into fire. Which is funny that dev didn't do a good job with the AI path 😆

[mighty tartan]

They could take away the effects on AI

And say it’s part of the simulation

[nova topaz]

Might just be a difference in displays or visual settings.

Me and my wide struggle to see enemies sitting 5 feet from 4k HDR Tvs in EMP rooms. I've never had issue seeing enemies in fire rooms though.

[brazen star]

just played descent for the first timd

how tf do you get ammo?

do you have to complete the loop?

because fuck me playing with a pistol against the named enemy isnt fun

[pine siren]

There's a resupply station somewhere in the middle of each loop, but you have to pay for ammo - usually run the first few loops pistol only except the boss arena, unless I get chatterbox talent or something

[brazen star]

omg

i just got kulled because i got stuck in a corner by a cleaner rusher

i really like this mode, but it is so frustrating when you lose all your progress

[humble halo]

you can also invest into perfect lucky shot talent but it makes you stick to cover.

and is rng

bullet hell gives ammo on like 100 shots

[brazen star]

ik

but i chose plague of the outcasts as the exo talent

really great talent

[humble halo]

yes it is great

first preference for any exo talent

[brazen star]

yeah

[raven lagoon]

love me some plague

[brazen star]

i don't which ones are availible tho

[raven lagoon]

they're listed in the gearsheet I think....

[humble halo]

exo talent available are afaik:
glass Cannon
blind justice (why is it here)
plaugr of outcast
sandman
doctor home
chatterbox talent
lady death talent
bloodsucker
Bullet hell
Agonizing but

[brazen star]

sandman, lady death and plague are good

[humble halo]

sandman is 2nd most trash talnet tbh

[brazen star]

i feel like in this mode it has somewhat of a purpose because many enemies are red and purple

[humble halo]

yeah but 15S is long cooldown

[brazen star]

if you play it chill not really

[raven lagoon]

and bullet hell of course (wasn't on your list above), and agonizing bite....uhm....

[humble halo]

yeah forgot them and i talked about the talent just like 4 lines above 🤣

[nocturne hedge]

2 are missing?

[humble halo]

yeah let me add them

[pine siren]

Chatterbox, plague, lady death are my top 3 in most builds

[nocturne hedge]

The 75% amplified damage is too good

[humble halo]

yeah especially with m870

[nocturne hedge]

Or m44

[brazen star]

of which talent?

[nocturne hedge]

Lady death's

[humble halo]

only after running for 4s iirc and walking take 8s

[brazen star]

ahhh i see

[humble halo]

yeah and the cap is 32 rounds for descent it is fine though

unless you use a talent very few weapons have that big mag

[brazen star]

one of the best skills so far i found was the burner firefly

because it can like instakill 3 enemies

can i somehow pause descent?

[raven lagoon]

you can afk between rooms if solo, or if in group you gotta wait in the hallway on a room after selection that has two doors. but still gotta press a key every so often to stay in game ofcourse.

[brazen star]

hmmm

rubber bands might be the way

[raven lagoon]

I used an afk macro for one of my descent runs, cause I wanted to see how far I could get. took quite a few breaks, walked dogs, etc. ended up in the mode for like 8 hours and wanted to shoot myself, lol.

[nocturne hedge]

admitted to using a macro, permaban

[raven lagoon]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

ain't no way anyone with an actual life can sit down in front of the PC for hours on end in that mode. lol. i got up to loop 17 and just straight up hugged a riker to call it quits....

was like NOPE, I'm done....lol

[nocturne hedge]

yup know the feeling way too well

[brazen star]

aren't macros getting you banned?

i just got a great run, lady death talent and a shotgun/sniper combination

snipers are honestly op

plus i got versatile+opportunistic talents too

[jolly cave]

Macro's are one of those "you aren't 100% getting banned for using it, but don't be shocked if you do" kinda things.

[brazen star]

ah ok

probably also heavily depends on the macro you are using

[humble halo]

didn't you crash?

using macro for afk is not a crime

[nocturne hedge]

could be against ubisoft ToS

idk though, its not like i read it :/

[raven lagoon]

no, no crashes. haven't crashed in a few weeks now.

[pine siren]

seems unlikely that they would care enough to set up some kind of detection system for an afk macro

[raven lagoon]

but they're rng so.....rngesus gonna smack me back into reality eventually.

[pine siren]

(I use one to bulk open apparel caches because I don't like the keys piling up too much)

[nocturne hedge]

took me 2 hours to open a lot of them

[humble halo]

nice

[humble halo]

might need that

[pine siren]

if you're struggling to work out the right timings, record a video of you opening one then use that to help

[humble halo]

1425 keys dang

[pine siren]

have to leave it running all day while you go out to work

[humble halo]

yeah looks like it

theu should add a 100X open or at least 10X open option

[raven lagoon]

lol, I had a macro like that once for div1....was for buying/selling items from vendor for the one commendation of selling like 9k items or some shit....lol

[humble halo]

gaccha games are better than div2

in that regard you can do mass selection. auto selection X10 ,X100 pulls

[brazen star]

gonna fight nemesis now, got some tips?

[undone bolt]

[jolly cave]

Did we open the crazy box again?

[raven lagoon]

best tip, don't die.. \o/

I hope you avoided the skills whose name we don't speak....

[brazen star]

tell me

[nocturne hedge]

and i manually crafted 10k items...

[raven lagoon]

oxidizers, stinger hives, sniper turrets, explosive seekers, etc.

[brazen star]

why is that?

[raven lagoon]

cause the nemesis will have opposing skills and usually does a good job of shoving them directly up your rear end....(not saying you can't do it ofcourse, it's just easier when they don't have annoying skills to fight you with)

[brazen star]

ok lol, really easy win

yhought it would be harder ngl

i didnt even have any armor stats

[raven lagoon]

nah, don't need armor for nem honestly

[nocturne hedge]

you dont need armor for anything honestly

[raven lagoon]

I go full red myself with a decoy at most. \o/

still occasionally get a sniper turret launched behind me for giggles. lol

[nocturne hedge]

i keep the 2 grenades i spawn with so in case i get a reviver hive and nemi switches it to a restorer hive, i can just toss 2 nades to destroy it

[brazen star]

mmr in descent feels like a cheat code

[nocturne hedge]

specially with allegro or chatter you can increase the rechamber time

pretty much turns a bolt action into semi auto

[brazen star]

fr

i ran allegro and it was so much fun

[loud hollow]

That’s a really good point. A lot of times you’ll get opportunistic or plague but no shotgun. Mmr is a good backup to both proc opportunistic and switching to it after stacking plague will just melt whoever falls victim to it

[nocturne hedge]

Acs12 stacking --> m44 tick damage

[wide karma]

feel like a bad idea to close at enemy to fire Acs12, unless I am missing something.

[brazen star]

i just mained my mmr

[mighty tartan]

Descent is training me to not use a scope for sniper rifles

[brazen star]

same lmao

[nocturne hedge]

That 40% headshot damage is too good to pass up though

[humble halo]

45% with sharpshooter scope and 16X zoom

[brazen star]

imagine nemesis without a scope

you just get sort of a railgun

[humble halo]

yeah you have to listen for the charge will be damm annoying

[brazen star]

but would be funny

[nocturne hedge]

we should be able to send pictures in this channel

[brazen star]

fr

[fast tree]

I wonder how far you'd have to get before you basically become invincible

[raven lagoon]

well you don't have to get far to be very strong and kill everything ASAP. but as time goes on and the enemies keep scaling higher and higher and you really don't minus the cores that don't seem to add much after so many loops....the enemies seem more like the invincible ones (more so one shot killing you)

[mighty tartan]

On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero- Some Fight Club movie

[loud hollow]

Can confirm on loop 34 with over 420% armor you will get 1 shot by snipers, warhounds, rushers, etc. I put almost everything into armor except a few yellow and red cores and it was worthless. Did much better prioritizing offensive cores and spawn killing waves.

[wide karma]

so I guess high leadership bouns armor and bloodsucker is usless?

[humble halo]

yeah at the end it is just dps with preservation

[twin geyser]

Never. You're one-tapped after loop 30 no matter how many armor cores you have

[thin bloom]

good talent good weapon good exotic damm game crashed

[humble halo]

playing division 2 confirmed 👍

[glossy jacinth]

Hello everyone, does anyone know what Collectibles subset collected means in descent

[raven lagoon]

it means you collected all the comms/intel for a subset/group.

[glossy jacinth]

Ahh okej thanks

[wide karma]

may current descent build mainly focus weapon damage (over watch) talent and the following exotic
chatter + bloodsucker + plague

any recommendation what I should swap out?
bloodsucker for bite?

[twin geyser]

Bite is really good, but I don't remember the need for plague in long runs even against rogues, because they're usually eliminated in 5-10 sec. Plague doesn't have time to build up)
Also, it's only my view, but you shouldn't rely on talents, which force you to stay in cover all the time (composure/overwatch)
For exotics we played Breathe Free (especially deadly on fast shotgun lord super90) + Chatter + Bite.
But again, it's all about my playstyle

[wide karma]

for solo, I usually move around and shoot.
I pick composure/overwatch/leadership to test with duo group to see how useful it is.
since the other guy is running around and I stay behind doing cover fire.

which work well until floor 26 when we got brain fart and hungry

[twin geyser]

We played with leadership and vanguard

[ivory magnet]

omfg I swear to god, I used voice and typed it out. I begged these random puggies to not choose hard rooms all the time and what did they do? Picked hard rooms all the time, including workshop with EMP modifier... because they're geniuses!

[wide karma]

oh wow. Plz tell me they didn't pick roller ball, turret, or drone before facing nemesis

[twin geyser]

Wanted to be prepared for nemesis fight, delaying and making it harder. Big brain move but in reverse 💀

[wide karma]

I thought shield is terrible in descent since it scale of yellow core?
did you guys pick bulwark or crusader?

[ivory magnet]

I was like NO NO DIFF ROOM NEIN NYET etc

[ivory magnet]

dude I've done nemesis in like loop 5

rofl

[twin geyser]

Crusader, but only for activating vanguard and holding for the next 5 sec, when it's invulnerable to any gamage. Then close and shoot, because that plastic 3d printed garbage would insta-crack and leave you disoriented, crying for help

[twin geyser]

This is the perfect loop to do it

[ivory magnet]

oh we had some absolute genius in the squad too he kept on running forwards and dying

it was like dude... are you... stupid?

oh and here's the biggest brain move they did, one guy left, someone on the map... instead of realising hey this is the last guy of wave 1 and those doors where all the spawns came from are about to unleash a whole bunch of new nasties... no

all 3 of my squad mates run down to find the last guy.

I bet you any amount of money that they run around on heroic with all directives on constantly spamming for help

[twin geyser]

I just enjoy joining league runs with "fog of war" directive on and at least one dude with drone+turret build. That's amazing

[wide karma]

not sure you are joking or drone+turret build actually good for mission with "fog of war"

[ivory magnet]

but for a league time trial run

both are shit

[twin geyser]

league run, mate) Time is ticking - teammate is sitting

[wide karma]

The time to beat for tier 10 is a joke now. The earlier seasons really have to account everything. The trials now can do slow as possible and still get tier 10😆

[raven lagoon]

grandma can hobble her way through the leagues, hit tier 10, and she can't even walk

[mighty tartan]

I love dem power creeps

[nocturne hedge]

17 mins zoo was bs

[timid mauve]

I hadn't get reconstructed cache almost 2 weeks, donno it's bad RNG or no more blueprint available.

[nocturne hedge]

31 total blueprints but 2 are said to be bugged. how many you got?

[timid mauve]

22 only

[nocturne hedge]

it kinda feels like the more you have the rarer they become

i only have 17

i used to be able to get a cache per 4 to 5 nemesis runs but now it feels like 8 to 10

[timid mauve]

Yup, but 30 games with nothing didn't match the 12% they advertised.

[twin geyser]

I stopped trying for now. If they add reconstructed caches to NSA vendor - cool. If not - make a guarantee drop from nemesis once per week. I don't care how much time does it take, but I want something except stupid RNG

[humble halo]

yeah F*ing RnG everything especially the caches once

[rustic bough]

Kind of the opposite for me. The more I do them, the more frequent I get the caches. That being said, I do not go out of my way to farm them. I just get them passively.

Recently I got the blueprint for the Sacrifice so Im happy

[humble halo]

nice

[hybrid meadow]

Anyone have a best build in descent for group from loop 20+

[wide karma]

group as 2 people team?

[loud hollow]

Shotgun, max crit chance/dmg talents, unhinged, steady handed/fast hands, opportunistic, trauma, lucky shot, clutch, adrenaline rush, breathe free, incessant chatter, bloodsucker, riot foam/blinder work well for me at higher loops.
Don’t bother with skill builds outside of cc skills. Stinger hives/drones/turret/seekers are useless after loop 24. Best for everyone to take a separate door and spawn kill. After loop 30 no amount of armor will keep you from getting 1 shot by a sniper or nade.

[teal pike]

Anyone up for a 3-4 person Descent run?

[ionic plover]

sure thing

[teal pike]

Let me know your in-game name and I'll invite

[ionic plover]

Mistreci_09

[compact hare]

So uh how do i get past the first loop in decent. I get wrecked quickly even in cover

[coral fox]

If your struggling on loop one i suggest starting with easy/medium rooms until you get a feel for the game mode

[timid mauve]

Keep changing position and find the right moment to shoot

[compact hare]

It was in the easy and medium rooms that i get wrecked

[timid mauve]

Upgrade armor to kill and headshot damage at NSA station also help startup

[bold finch]

Is there a certain amount of coms you get from descent a week or can you keep running it to get em

[mighty tartan]

One new com per week

[ivory magnet]

ok but how come some weeks in the past I got dumped like 4 comms in one go and another week I got 2 comms?

[whole helm]

Am i the only one who finds pesty build devastating in group play?

[twilit geyser]

No, it's sorta the meta for high loops.

[ionic plover]

Depends on if you miss a week or not - I missed the first week and ran it twice and got both comms. When you catch up, you don't get anymore until the Tuesday reset

[wide karma]

are you talking about Plague?
it kinda get weak at the later floor (around 20 or higher) since at that point you want to kill the enemy fast and don't really see the benefit of 'building' up the stack.
later floor enemy just 1 shot you no matter how high you build your armor.

[humble halo]

armor worthless stat

better to have 6 skill tier and rest in red cores

[wide karma]

for me bullet hell is good at the start that help with not need it for reload, but later floor enemy just bullet sponge.
you end up want to build up the 2 yellow talents that give you extra mag (I think is call 'extra' and 'lucky shot') to lv10 and swap bullet hell to chatter since it give you ammo back and fast fire rate.
*note make sure not get 'Allegro' (red talent that give extra fire rate), it has issue with chatter's fire rate buff can cause some weapon doing no damage. **

[humble halo]

bullet hell

[wide karma]

ya, try build up with leadership talent with blue core in a group and the extra armor (the blue bar) doesn't really help much after 25 floor.

[humble halo]

bullet hell is very good no reload

means you don't have off time on dps

and lvl6 riot foam is good

one reviver just in case two players

ideal

or shock traps

wish we had overcharge in descent

[wide karma]

true, but later floor enemy just bullet sponge and might run out of ammo. (happen to me when doing a solo run)
chatter exotic is a good option later if you build the yellow talents to max and end up drum shotgun with 60 in the mag and refill ammo into drums with the chatter buff.

[humble halo]

perfect lucky shot yeah

with chatter

you get half ammo back + from cover i think lucky shot gives infinite ammo

[wide karma]

you kinda do, I forgot the name in the blue talent.
when you use a medkit, if you are at tier 6 yellow, it give you overcharge.

[humble halo]

need perfectly efficient

75% chance to not consume medkit

the combo will be amazing

make it an exo replace blind justice

[wide karma]

ya, blind justice is trash. I also don't see the point getting glass cannon, you are just plying with fire at that point.

[humble halo]

honestly at later floor glass cannon or not the result is same

one shot death

[wide karma]

don't mention rouge, their skills is on steroid and they can one shot you no matter how much blue core you have.

[humble halo]

also bullet hell + special ammo

nice combo

you get ammo capacity worth of special ammo

[wide karma]

ya, always get special ammo (fire or elect). I usually get it on the sidearm and have the other on the 2nd main weapon.

[humble halo]

bullet hell + sidearm infinite special ammo?

[wide karma]

no, you still get a 'limit' amount of special ammo for sidearm. Its good to have back up to do status damage.

[humble halo]

whenever i get bulwark shield i forgot i have a primary weapon and play with pistol

[whole helm]

On loop 31 mp7 to raise the stacks and m44 to switch in to increase damage was Rolling around 500k full stacks in no time at all, allegro 10 Is a must

[humble halo]

preservation random talent nice

[humble halo]

use acs 12 better

[wide karma]

I usually go like this:

• LMG or AR
• Shotgun (elect)
  -Diceros, or the other high damage one (fire)

the 1st main weapon just want to kill enemy fast as possible. If like black tusk, heavy, etc need to stop them on track, swap weapon.
at deeper floor you just have too much NSA money to spend.

[whole helm]

I know but i tend to pair plague and overwatch, so i'm not in the Door, and unhinged Is a lot more forgiving on smg

[wide karma]

its kinda up to personal preference.
Hope you worriers able to get into deeper floor 😄 . Best of luck.

[humble halo]

deeper floors requires schedule and a damm lot of free time

[wide karma]

ya. and mental stamina. It does get a toll after 4 hour doing the same thing over and over.

[humble halo]

lucky today picked lvl2 opportunistic with no shotgun and m44 carbine got super 90 next loop

[rustic bough]

I have since embarked on a more risky journey. 3-man squad, took Glass Cannon and all red cores by the end of loop 9 and I was still having fun. So I think it's a matter of experience.

It's been a while since I wiped due to skill issue.

[west latch]

Looking to do some descent runs, anybody down?

[nocturne hedge]

does chatter refund the ammo if you get a kill with the pesti ticks?

[twilit geyser]

No

[nocturne hedge]

then i dont see how it deals with ammo issues in higher loops

[balmy finch]

I rely on magnum at high loops

Hits for 100k+

This isn't an lfg channel

[nocturne hedge]

magnum is a monster but i still wish we had D50

[balmy finch]

Magnum + vanguard + bulwark

Cuz you get that 5 seconds invulnerability

[nocturne hedge]

whats the cooldown though?

[balmy finch]

20 I think idr

[bold finch]

Ty

[rustic bough]

You kill one enemy so that your mag is refilled, then let the ticks chain across multiple enemies.

[ionic plover]

I need help in the descent I'm hoping to defeat the nemisis

[humble halo]

do you have trauma ?

just go to the far end wait for nemiss

shoot him in head or foam him than dps

[ionic plover]

Oh ok thanks for letting me know

[mighty tartan]

You ever watched the movie called Edge of Tomorrow?

Descent kinda reminds me of that, in fact just roguelikes in general

So you’ll just have to get better overtime Matthewman

[twin geyser]

Time loop with Tom Cruise? That was a blast

[twin geyser]

You remember the circus with amount of descent audio comms? It's 17 now 😄

[raven lagoon]

🤔

[timid mauve]

I think missions more relatable to the movie, whereas the dungeon serve for variety of gameplay

[nocturne hedge]

what the fuck

[raven lagoon]

\o/ it's like the lottery! the numbers be ever changing!

[mighty tartan]

We might get to 6 months worth of com drops at this pace

[raven lagoon]

wooo, falling farther and farther behind

[mighty tartan]

It’s why I’ve subscribed to NGN

[nocturne hedge]

cries in 8 comms

[twin geyser]

Wait until they steal your Comms 💀

[nocturne hedge]

i just got 2 reconstructed caches back to back

[nocturne hedge]

make that 3

wtf is this rng, or is the game broken

[coral fox]

https://tenor.com/view/thorobr-rng-fire-elmo-gif-14506283

[cold snow]

I’ve faced multiple bugs with “missing players” and “door close” to the area before everyone entered. Fix it, please! I’ve started twice decent after 70% score…..it’s a nightmare!!!

[tame tiger]

highest loop?

[tame tiger]

i can't say anything about the "missing players" but for "door close" either don't enter a room or if someone entered - all of you must enter quickly AND DO NOT EXPLODE A CANISTER IN YOUR FACE

[boreal kayak]

is it safe to play descent now? without crashes? i didnt last more than 10 mins before i crashed absolute bullshit

[nocturne hedge]

5, nemesis runs only

[cloud tree]

I guess but there are still glitches like door closing before you enter the room and etc

[rustic bough]

they should give us double stat buffs for every loop that doesn't give Exotic talents

[nocturne hedge]

that would be kinda broken

[rustic bough]

honestly you're at a complete L when it takes you 9 loops to get the second Exotic talent and 17 for the third

[nocturne hedge]

a 25% boost maybe, but not 100%

[rustic bough]

hmm, 1/4 of a skill tier, sounds fun

[nocturne hedge]

lmao

yeah forgot about that. maybe instead of 10% damage we can 15%, and instead of 15% armor we can get 25

in my opinion random boss rooms should give us a stat terminal

[rustic bough]

that'd be great too

[static night]

Game won't let me swap skills for some reason

So like 3 loops were wasted

[humble halo]

nice feature again

[fathom tangle]

Everyone wannabe Sam Fisher 😂

[twin geyser]

Still one tapped xD

[humble halo]

we need unbreakable on steroids

[twin geyser]

just adequate balancing would be enough, but I won't hope for that

[humble halo]

never 🤣

[cloud tree]

"you was disconnected from division 2 network" yeah great way to connect to someone and instantly get a crash, now they think I left before the game even started lol

why can't we even reconnect in the case of a crash

[humble halo]

never getting fixed

[cloud tree]

what a great way to treat community...

[humble halo]

yeah best game

[nocturne hedge]

Sometimes i ask myself why i still play this game...
Honestly no other game currently holds my interest for longer than a few hours

[raven lagoon]

you're crazy like the rest of us....

[balmy finch]

I'm fine

[raven lagoon]

ehhhh

[balmy finch]

im the only person in society who hasnt been impacted by bug in this game lol

[brazen star]

The Division 2 is one of the best games ever imo. So much to do and so many different opportunities. People will always be negative about everything.

[rustic bough]

We managed to get to loop 30 in a 3-man group. It was so much fun. All of us had Incessant Chatter and Plague of the Outcasts, and good communication

Interestingly enough, we started getting frequent Rogue Agent rooms from loop 22 onwards

[twin geyser]

I dropped Plague for Bite. These crits are so sweet at high loops

[rustic bough]

ye I got Agonizing Bite too

[timid mauve]

from 22nd blueprints to 23rd, it's took freaking 40 games, one of the hell journey💀

[crystal forge]

Anyone who know the scaling math from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 players?
In normal game mode the scaling from 3 to 4 is significantly, but with Nemesis it seems astronomical

[mighty tartan]

What is everyone’s win rate percentage vs nemesis

[crystal forge]

1 player 75%........4 player 0%

[pine siren]

Playing almost entirely solo, I've killed nemesis about 20 times, and lost twice. Still haven't had a single reconstructed cache though 😦

[timid mauve]

maybe 1-2% for nemesis, other 2% in the loop, mostly in solo

[humble halo]

damm that's harsh i only got 2 in like 8-9 runs

but i got new reliable and battery pack

so yeah just collection

[nocturne hedge]

The only blueprint i actually want is tdi and i guess its bugged, currently 21/29

[nocturne hedge]

just deltaed at the nemesis fucking hell

[stuck acorn]

Sorry if it has been asked multiple times.... When will we get exotic talent?

Besides at the end of the first loop

[nocturne hedge]

arenas have a chance of getting you one
Exotic chance changes based on current loop:

1 100%
2-3 5%
4-6 25%
7-9 35%
9+ 40%

[stuck acorn]

Thanks you! And for loops beyond 10, i.e. 11 and above, are they all 40%?

[pine siren]

9+ means 9 and above

[stuck acorn]

Gotcha, just want to make sure. Thank you so much!

[midnight pelican]

Remnant 2 is taking up my time now. the game is really good. I'm tired of Division 2, the only thing I'm interested in is getting Legendary openworld.

[balmy finch]

never happening

[fathom minnow]

Except Remnant 2 performance is bad and AI is dumb

[midnight pelican]

I know, it's too much crying, that's why they nerfed heroic and legendary a few years ago.

[coral fox]

anyone had the issue of STRAINED buff not showing up when paired with Bullet Hell ?

[wise granite]

it happens with every talent that forms an overlay next to your weapon. That overlay is apparently overwritten every time a new trait that needs an overlay shows up

for example: if you have chameleon and then equip/upgrade something like steady hands, steady hands takes over, but both traits are still active

you eventually forget the buffs are there because you just cant see any of them

[balmy finch]

When did this happen

I don't remember legendary ever being nerfed

[humble halo]

you talking about pts

[midnight pelican]

Here are some npc´s nerfs in Title Update 9.1
Nerfed damage and out-of-cover accuracy of the SMG used by red-bar Hyena Assault
Nerfed NPC grenade-throw accuracy. Accuracy is reduced further based on the distance to target.
Decreased accuracy of Hyena Thrower's airburst, Black Tusk Mini-
Tank's grenade, and Cleaner’s napalm airburst turret.
Reduced NPC accuracy while blind-firing.
Reduced the frequency and aggressiveness of NPC behavior when advancing on hidden targets
Nerfed range of Cleaner Tank's flamethrower
Nerfed Hyena RC Cars to reduce the damage of their explosions, the duration of lingering ground fire and the Burn/Confuse status effect, and the frequency at which Hyena RC Cars are deployed.
Nerfed Black Tusk Suicide Drones to reduce damage from their explosion and how often they’re deployed.

[humble halo]

black tusk changes are fair

[balmy finch]

That's a stretch to call a difficulty nerf

[nocturne hedge]

theyre literally nerfs

[balmy finch]

Not a difficulty nerf

[nocturne hedge]

applies to all difficulties

[balmy finch]

Yeah so you can't say they nerfed heroic and legendary because then it sounds like they made those two closer to challenging in difficulty

[midnight pelican]

I'll looking for when they reduce legendary bullet sponge. Can't remember which TU updated it was now.

[humble halo]

just check all

[nocturne hedge]

division wiki should have an archive of the patch notes

[wise granite]

wasnt title update 9.1 like....10 title updates ago? /j

unless im the one out of the loop

[stiff rain]

TU8.4

[wide karma]

1 player 75%
2 player 50%

[balmy finch]

Wait is this a visible in game stat or

[wide karma]

no

nemesis and rouges just easier to deal the less player in the team.

[humble halo]

Balancing changes:

Developer Note:
The game was tuned in a way that playing the exact same enemy composition at higher difficulties and higher player counts would match to the expected gear of that difficulty and extra players added. However, since the game also adds more Elites and Veterans to accommodate higher difficulty and player counts, this caused tuning to overcompensate health and damage higher than intended. We are thus lowering many of these values.

Reduce NPC Damage output for all difficulties.

This applies to all NPCs and activities and enemies will do less damage to players compared to their current damage output.

Reduce NPC Health and Amor for group scaling.

Enemy Health and Armor scaling for 2-, 3- and 4-player groups based on Veterancy.

This means Red, Veteran, Elite and Named enemies will have their Health and Armor reduced compared to their current values.

Additionally, we are adjusting Health and Armor based on activity difficulty.

This applies to Hard and Challenging difficulties where enemies will have lower Health and Armor compared to their current values.

An exception are Heroic and Legendary difficulty enemies which will have their Health and Armor increased to compensate for the group scaling reductions to their values.

Developer Note: We still intend Heroic and Legendary to be very challenging. Therefore, we are increasing the base difficulty to account for the health reductions for co-op scaling. Compared to now this means Heroic and Legendary will be a bit harder for solo players and 2-player groups, 3-player difficulty will stay roughly the same, and 4-player difficulty will be easier.

heroic/legendary got buff

[twin geyser]

This doesn't apply to descent, right?

[humble halo]

definitely not tu 8.4 notes descent didn't exist at that time

[twin geyser]

(((

[rustic bough]

"we still intend Heroic to be very challenging"
The current heroic: am I a joke to you?

[pastel ruin]

hi anyone can help me in decent. ihavent killed nemesis yet, thanks

[cloud tree]

I guess devs don't play their own game lol

[balmy finch]

I can help over the weekend

[cedar topaz]

Lol glass cannon insta killed me as soon as i walked into fire

[raven lagoon]

yup, those hazards are painful. glass cannon just makes them humorously painful.

[woven turtle]

I‘ll be playing descent in about 5 hours from now for the weekly collectible comms. If you wanna join in feel free to add me my Uplay is OneHelluvaNoob

[humble halo]

new week it's already Tuesday

[mighty tartan]

Which TU was that?

[humble halo]

8.4

[mighty tartan]

Can you link those notes, couldnt find them

[jolly cave]

Here's the TU notes for 8.4, note: this is back in March 2020.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thedivision/comments/fofbv2/the_division_2_title_update_84_patch_notes/

[mighty tartan]

Oh oops

I misread it as 18.4

[jolly cave]

Considering it was back at WONY's release time, that's understandable.

[humble halo]

so it was a mixed bag they reduced dmg but buffed health

[ionic plover]

So, how does Bullet Hell and 'reload' based perks work? Because I'd assume they become useless as you don't exactly 'reload'

[nocturne hedge]

I believe they dont

[nocturne hedge]

has anybody managed to get all blueprints from descent?

[wide karma]

nope, open about 20 caches (sim. cache) still haven't got any name blueprint.

[balmy finch]

It's the reconstructed caches

[nocturne hedge]

you only get them from reconstructed ones

[nocturne hedge]

jesus you type fast

[balmy finch]

Lol

[wide karma]

oh right, wrong cache name, sorry.
but still open 20 "reconstructed caches" still no name BP.
some have better luck

[nocturne hedge]

impossible, rec caches guarantee a named item blueprints
1 per cache

[balmy finch]

Simulation caches and reconstructed caches are two different things

[nocturne hedge]

speak of the devil, just got one

the sacrifice, being my 22nd blueprint

[wide karma]

I did got reconstructed caches from weelky descent project, but never seeem to get any BP

[balmy finch]

You don't get them from the project?

[wide karma]

Chest BP - 36/41+2
Backpack BP - 34/39+3

Nope

[nocturne hedge]

theres nothing new in your crafting bench? no new " ! " icons?

keep in mind the item you get from a rec cache isnt the same as the blueprint.

for example just now i got a baker dozen from a rec cache as an item, and the blueprint for sacrifice

[wide karma]

I didn't have "!" and I have check Craft Station and still no new BP that drop from "reconstructed cache"

[nocturne hedge]

you might wanna contact ubi support cause thats not normal

[crude linden]

@balmy finch wanna run some decent in like 20-30min? Need to start collecting reconstructed caches and I remember seeing you used to run it regularly

[balmy finch]

I'm down

[crude linden]

Bet, gonna shower quick then I’ll shoot you a DM

[balmy finch]

Tony ngl you aren't getting reconstructed caches then

[wide karma]

can I join?

[balmy finch]

3 man scaling is kinda shit tho

Up to him tho

[wide karma]

ya, been look for 1M for descent in #lfg-pc, no one response.

[wide karma]

Hi, can I join and do a 3man descent?
thanks.

[balmy finch]

its barely been 20 minutes patience

[crude linden]

we can try for 3 will be easier with 2 though

[wide karma]

I think I got someone to do descent with, best of luck both of you.

[balmy finch]

@crude linden I GOT ONE idk about you

i got chainkiller

[nocturne hedge]

ayy welcome to the club

[crude linden]

ggs

[balmy finch]

385/414

[balmy finch]

whats your completion at

[nocturne hedge]

22 out of 31 or 29

[balmy finch]

i meant overall

like what does the bench say

[nocturne hedge]

cant check rn, at raid

huh

[wide karma]

where do I fill for a ticket that I don't get reconstructed cache?
apprentlly I don't get one even though I finished the weekly descent project.

never mind, just fill out a ticket on ubisoft.

[crude linden]

I don’t think you get them from project. It’s RNG.

[wide karma]

for the weekly project it did have reconstructed cache.
unless that is a RNG as well?
how was you guys run?
we were doing good until the host game crash and I have no way to get into the room.

[crude linden]

We finished

[nocturne hedge]

dont pay attention to the rewards written on the project, its just saying you have a chance of getting them

for example you get a guaranteed sim cache for finishing loop 4

or a guaranteed exo cache for nemesis

[wide karma]

oh, I see. Then I have never getting reconstructed cache.
bummer

[nocturne hedge]

401 / 414

[balmy finch]

nice

[rustic bough]

12% per Nemesis clear. 49% when you beat loop 31

[wide karma]

in that case. My highest floor was 26. Never able to get to 31 by doing solo or duo run

[rustic bough]

But not this week, still burnt out from last week's loop 30 run

[wide karma]

Same. I am pretty much free most of the time

[neon spear]

Yo,bottle of red wine,vaporizer n omw to descent, nemesis I'm coming

Waiting for somebody to answer match making via descent be like 🥱😮‍💨

[nocturne hedge]

Yeah you might wanna have a pre-made group

[balmy finch]

or just solo

[warm sable]

anyone run descent?

[nocturne hedge]

That too yeah

[crude linden]

@balmy finch Descent?

[balmy finch]

in school rn

[crude linden]

Aite lemme know if you trying to run when home. I’ll be on Starfield later though

[wide karma]

This might be a strange question to ask. What is your computer spec?
I am interesting getting Starfield, but my pc spec is mid tier at best and don't know how good it would run

[crude linden]

RTX 4090/i7-12700k/32GB DDR5 ram

[wide karma]

that is a beast.
My spec is 3080 ti/AMD ryzen 7 3700X/16GB ram

[balmy finch]

Might wanna upgrade the CPU/ram

[wide karma]

ya, gonna wait for sales. Thanks for the suggestions.

[humble halo]

dram prices at low nowadays

just drop a 5800X3D and you are good

[flat jay]

anyone doing descent run?

[grave prawn]

A

[rustic bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1080747528389148723/1147191503555395664/29.mp4 Rogues on loop 29 is so fun

[mighty tartan]

Ugh

[nocturne hedge]

is it possible to access descent in new york, and can you get a rec cache with a lvl 30 character?

[outer wren]

looking for a group for descent

[balmy finch]

Don't think so

[rustic bough]

I can check

I'm guessing yes, but you can't craft all of them since most of the blueprints belong to gear that are exclusive to WoNY

just checked, you in fact can craft all of them, even for the ones that are WoNY-exclusive

[torpid kernel]

2x attempts to do the weekly decent project
both tries crash during loop 6
first try was crap rolls anyway
second try was good
2 hours of my weekend down the toilet because for whatever reason your progress is not retained after a crash unlike other acitivies
fffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu game

[balmy finch]

Loop 6? You should be at nemesis at 5

[balmy finch]

He meant can you get into descent during the dlc

[rustic bough]

i was replying to the second part of the question

[balmy finch]

Which is dependant on being able to access descent

[rustic bough]

which is accessible to a lv 30 character

[nocturne hedge]

Doesn't matter if its during dlc or a lvl 40 character, is it possible to activate descent when inside new york?

[balmy finch]

but not 31
\

[balmy finch]

its not

(i just checked)

[mighty tartan]

What’s everyone’s current comm collection status

[balmy finch]

everything except 13/17 for descent

[coral fox]

9/17

[pine siren]

Ooh, finally got my first reconstructed cache (after about 25 nemesis kills). Chainkiller blueprint, not the worst drop!

[humble halo]

i got new reliable not reliable drop at all

[compact jewel]

I got mechanical animal and white death so far

And devils due

[nocturne hedge]

still dont have white death

[crude linden]

I just want a Matador BP

[rustic bough]

Oh god, can't wait to put a chainkiller on my LV 30 character

[nocturne hedge]

Is it normally exclusive to lvl 40?

[rustic bough]

Yes, but fun fact, you can craft them from the blueprints

For some reason, they are usable on a lv 30

[nocturne hedge]

Yeah, i crafted a lvl32 blue dark winter, doesn't even have the talent

[teal pike]

Anyone up for a Descent run right now?

[rustic bough]

That's strictly tied to blue rarity guns that do not allow talents

[nocturne hedge]

Yeah i know but pretty funny nonetheless

[rustic bough]

Indeed

[nocturne hedge]

Only purples and yellows got them

Reds too

[timid mauve]

just received the 29th blueprint, how do we know this is all we can get

[humble halo]

lmao after how many descent runs?

[timid mauve]

250 roughly, so statistically 12% drop rate is accurate

[mighty tartan]

Would it say it on the craft bench? Something like 413/413 blueprints or something

[timid mauve]

I started the game 2 yrs ago so some blueprints are missing

[nocturne hedge]

Continue doing runs, see if you get a 30th reconstructed cache

If you do, open it to see if you get tdi or harmony

[timid mauve]

that gonna take 2 run, or 40 run to find out LOL

I don't have TDI & harmony BP BTW

[humble halo]

tdi best named item to work with 2 stats fixed one always maxed reroll talent only just need good pistol dmg

[rustic bough]

This week's comms is long af. yappity yap

[balmy finch]

lol

[nocturne hedge]

How many comms do players who played every single week have at this point?

[nocturne hedge]

Any luck with that?

[balmy finch]

14

[timid mauve]

nope, need couple more days to make conclusion

[raven lagoon]

yeah, please keep us informed on that one

we're under the assumption those two BPs are missing....BUT, I still think you'll get recons cache, just possibly no blueprint?

[balmy finch]

Everyone wants the LE bp

[nocturne hedge]

would love a double crit LE so i can recal the core to W damage

[humble halo]

LE?

[balmy finch]

Liquid engineer

[humble halo]

ahh yeah

need one with double crit

[nocturne hedge]

humanity's survival depends on you finding the answer

[balmy finch]

lol

[nocturne hedge]

shiiit im 11

[balmy finch]

yikes

[dusk niche]

It's interesting if remotely followed up in the future

[timid mauve]

found another reconstructed cache, and it didn't gave me blueprints anymore, so 29th should be the final number

[raven lagoon]

sad, but thanks for confirmation

[dusk niche]

How many descent runs for all those BPs? At the rate I'm getting them it'll take 500 or so runs lol

[timid mauve]

@dusk niche approx 250

[dusk niche]

Thanks. Oof yeah hopefully they tweak the drop rate otherwise I don't think I'll get all of them

[timid mauve]

it is nice change of recon cache from 12% to 50%, but should they also release more blueprints?

[dusk niche]

They were supposed to put S3 BPs on CP4s but I don't think they ever did, they could add it to descent with the % buff

[nocturne hedge]

They are there except tdi and harmony. The other 6 are there

@wheat thistle you got what you asked for mate

[dusk niche]

In CP4s? Guess I gotta farm them, they didn't announce it

[humble halo]

no

[dusk niche]

I think it's Hunters Fury and Belstone BPs that were to be added

[nocturne hedge]

Oh my bad, i thought you were talking about named items from S3 and S4

Im not sure about brand and gearsets being added to control points

[jolly cave]

It was my impression that the BP's not being added to CP's was a bug that hasn't been patched yet.

[nocturne hedge]

Im excited about efficient being added to descent

[humble halo]

i am excited about pummel

ammo saver

[nocturne hedge]

Wouldn't salvage be better?

For saving ammo, not for the damage bonus

[humble halo]

yeah but it also gives wd on top of refill

[nocturne hedge]

.

[humble halo]

but what is the kill count to proc it at lvl1 maybe 5

[dusk niche]

Yeah during the y5s1 stream they said they were going to add S3 BPs to CP4 for those who missed but they would be added at a later date and let us know. I guess it was never added with the vacations and delays to the next season

[humble halo]

yeah salvage better only for ammo than

[timid mauve]

bet salvage is better when at high tier, but I prefer pummel with LMG, because I don't trust my shit luck

[humble halo]

pummel with supper 90 with chatterbox talent

[twin geyser]

read this patchnotes and my questions are:

• why we still can't re-roll exotic talents?
• where do we spend thousands of spare NSA tech?
• why that horrible exotic pistol talent still exists? Imagine regulus headshot explosion as exotic 💀

[jolly cave]

Because Exotics are balanced around the Talents and being able to change them would just make it a new weapon. If you mean attributes, same answer but cut off the 2nd part.

[pine siren]

In Descent though

[jolly cave]

Oh I forgot this mode existed.
no idea, but why not just start another run?

[dusk niche]

The NSA tech is indeed useless after you get all the perms perks so hopefully they add a vendor for caches at some point. I'll settle with the big bump to recon cache drop %

[jolly cave]

Cosmetic changes to the runs would be fun, like adding christmas lights to the enemy spawn doors, etc.

[nocturne hedge]

i already have 4 arm patches from descent (all but loop 40), will i have to farm them again next season?

[raven lagoon]

i would say so since the patches have the season info on them

[nocturne hedge]

that sucks

[raven lagoon]

not sure if nem does but the others have a big "broken wings" or some BS across them

[nocturne hedge]

i dont think im gonna have time for the next seasons'

[nocturne hedge]

has someone gotten to loop 40 solo?

[raven lagoon]

so with the changes to descent recon cache after nem....wonder if they changed the percentage for after loop 30....or the same across the board....

[nocturne hedge]

its still not worth doing loop 31 for a rec cache specially after the buff to nemesis

[raven lagoon]

no, def not, was just more curious than anything

[dusk niche]

They've definitely made it more appealing to just get to Nemesis and leave lol, although with more talents in the pool it's gonna be harder to get the talents and tiers you want before nemesis (assuming the room %s remain the same)

[nocturne hedge]

agreed, but the new ones such as pummel, future perfect, in sync and efficient will make higher loops much easier

[kindred locust]

Do we know if there will be any seasonal changes to descent?

[dusk niche]

True although I'm still hoping for some checkpoint system until the devs definitely rule it out for good

[nocturne hedge]

check out the patch notes, some changes are coming

[kindred locust]

@nocturne hedge are there new patch notes?

[nocturne hedge]

yeah

[kindred locust]

Ah thanks. Was looking to see if they will be adding new rewards like the patches. They currently say the current season so assumed they would update

[dusk niche]

They haven't said anything regarding new arm patches/cosmetics or even if the audio logs will continue for the next season(s). Hopefully they do

[wheat thistle]

Yeah I read the PTS notes. But honestly, if they go down even to 49% then I'm really gone for good.

[twin geyser]

I hope no new armpatches. I barely got enough time to get previous 5 (10-40 loops + Nemesis kill)

If we had perma-stat upgrade BEFORE the run - that would be worth investing tons of NSA tech. We'll see if they do something in the next PTS phase

[nocturne hedge]

maybe spend nsa credits for a checkpoint?

just delta'ed at loop 12, so bs

[dusk niche]

How would they implement checkpoints in co-op? I think that's their main issue tbh

Solo seems somewhat straightforward

[rustic bough]

Wow the new talents other than Pummel and Intimidate are utterly useless