td2-descent

[humble halo]

better than a outcast rusher sneaking behind you and exploding on your face as you turn

[desert pond]

theyre like creepers

once you hear em its likely too late

[rustic bough]

they can be annoying, but can also be dealt with quickly

[humble halo]

not when ut takes you by suprise 🤣

[rustic bough]

even then I most of the time have enough bonus armor to facetank 3 of them consecutively

the heavy though, at loop 31 it can take away all that bonus armor in one swing

[humble halo]

i hadn't that luxury of bonus Armor but had a reviver hive to save my aas

[rustic bough]

had one too

and I forgot to buy a revive token at the vendor in the room before. i was busy thinking about the next talent I should pick. would be awesome to have a reminder tbh, there's too many things to keep track of

[humble halo]

Doesn't the hive give unlimited revive as long as it is not on cooldown?

[desert pond]

no you dont

past loop 25 those fuckers will bust open your hp bar

[rustic bough]

leadership + bloodsucker?

with 270% armor

[desert pond]

i already thought about those

[mighty tartan]

What’s the best loadouts to take on nemesis

[rustic bough]

literally anything

but most important talents you need are plague of the outcast and trauma, foam launcher for skills

[mighty tartan]

Damn I never get plague

[jaunty totem]

i always do

anything to wrangle these doofuses

[crimson valley]

lf a team of 4 do run desent and beat the nemesis

[twin geyser]

Breathe free + opportunistic + fire bullets. Poor nemesis sees Jesus in 5 seconds

[nova topaz]

Is Ubisoft playing woth the community today or are they just having the 2 that are playing Showcase The Descent Duo?

EDIT: They answered in chat they're just showcasing with the duo.

[rustic bough]

Yeah I left out a lot of information there. I did a run where killed Nemesis while going with full skill build. I didn't use my skill tho, but I still mowed him down. So really your Loadout can be anything

[crimson valley]

lf a team of 4 do run desent and beat the nemesis

[rustic bough]

#lfg-pc

Whoops you are on PS

[crimson valley]

i got no access

[rustic bough]

It's whatever the PS equivalent one is

[crimson valley]

i not sure

[rustic bough]

Post it in the LFG channel, this is not the place

[jolly cave]

#lfg-playstation to LFG for Descent.

[mighty tartan]

Nemesis are hunter equivalents right?

[upper smelt]

basically yeah

[neon spear]

Why is it so hard for players to incorporate teamwork in this mode

[balmy finch]

because thats online matchmaking in a nutshell

[neon spear]

@balmy finch FACTS😂

[mighty tartan]

Damn, player scaling for Descent is pretty savage at 4 players

[mighty tartan]

You feel the pug harder in this mode due to the punishing nature of rogue likes

[balmy finch]

i dont notice it unless its hard mode rooms

[mighty tartan]

Oh yeah hard mode rooms especially

[neon spear]

@mighty tartan true indeed

[balmy finch]

reasons not to do hard room; added that to the list

[rustic bough]

I really REALLY do not appreciate Black Tusks on Loop 6

[twin geyser]

Rikers are also not welcomed at early loops(

[rustic bough]

I second that

I had BT at loops 6, 9 and 11 now. I feel like I aged 6 years per BT loop

[twin geyser]

shock and sniping dogs are the worst at first 10 loops (

[rustic bough]

Demolisher firefly is a dog's worst enemy 😎

but some rooms are exceptionally painful to have dogs around

[desert pond]

plague

[rustic bough]

plague takes time to build up

[twin geyser]

Shotty builds plague in like 3-4 secs

[mighty tartan]

How much stat increases do npcs get with each loop?

[balmy finch]

There's no known number as of now afaik

[hexed dome]

Descent is a bunch of bullshit sometimes

[raven lagoon]

🤔

[nocturne hedge]

shoot the dog with a fast firing weapon and then switch to your blue magnum

[twin geyser]

Have you guys read their 18.3 patchnotes? Just another joke and not a single word about reconstructed caches

[timid mauve]

I wish they could do something about invisible spawn.

[raven lagoon]

what were u expecting them to say about recon caches?

i highly doubt they're changing the % any time soon

[timid mauve]

@twin geyser I opened dozen reconstructed cache and check craft table immediately, it did gave me blueprint every time.

[icy spade]

idk what i did but killed the nemesis in 6-10s on solo 🥲

[raven lagoon]

yeah certain combos can just absolutely murder them quick, hilariously quick

[icy spade]

5x overwatch, 4x critical, vigilance, composure, eyeless+trauma might've done the trick i guess

[raven lagoon]

what was ur exotic?

[icy spade]

i got like 4x exotic in first loops 🥲

[timid mauve]

If nemesis spawn right before me, it is 2 second work. 🤓

[icy spade]

bullet hell, plague & bloodsucker

[raven lagoon]

lol, bullet hell plus plague with any kind of dmg and he's gone....

by the time he peeks the ticks already killed them

[icy spade]

yeah also had like explosive, shock bullets in different weapons so he got blinded, bled & stunned

[rustic bough]

🤔

[icy spade]

yeah plus gotta love shrapnel trap ;D

[mighty tartan]

Bullet hell is my fave exotic

Then combine it with a shotgun

[balmy finch]

Shock doesn't work on them

[rustic bough]

Trauma was the single talent that made everything much easier

[mighty tartan]

I can never get a shield

Or a revive hive

[icy spade]

the ratio of shield talent to shield skill is probably 1million:1

[rustic bough]

Inb4 getting tier 10 protector without teammates or shield

[humble halo]

does optimist work with bullet hell?

[twin geyser]

only for like 20-30% then it resets

[humble halo]

ok

[rustic bough]

Nah it's half a mag, so 50% ish

[twin geyser]

Had no chance to proc 50%, but maybe I should use high RPM weapons for that

[lime zephyr]

Bullet hell + plague of the outcast + adaptive instinct/agonizing bite made me reach loop 20+ two times

But it takes so much time ... I gave up after loop 20 once and loop 23 another time

Decoy + reviver hive talents

[hexed dome]

I once managed to stack max Chatterbox talent and Bullet Hell with Breathe Free, shotgun and rifle and just went full into HSD talents

It was actually hella fun, Super 90 with Chatterbox and max Allegro fires so fast

[rustic bough]

My go-to talents are Incessant Chatter - Plague - Bloodsucker and Incessant Chatter - Plague - Breathe Free
Both have allowed me to get up to loop 30 easily

[twin geyser]

Chatter - Plague - Breathe Free
It's damn OP combo, considering hidden feature of Plague (activating one specific talent)

[rustic bough]

Offensive talents I make sure to pick are: Vigilance, Optimist, Composure, Concussion, Allegro/Precise and Unhinged.

[twin geyser]

I completely dropped every talent, which pushes you to cover (overwatch / composure) or which is lost as soon as you get hit (vigilance)

[fast laurel]

my only successful runs (against Nemisis) always have Plague (of the Outcasts) and ammo with a bleed mechanic..
otherwise.. i die every time
it always has a heal hive.. (i keep lobbin grenades at them near it, until i am out..).. and after about 5mins of this.. it rushes me and i die.
that being said.. my highest loop was 16 before i got bored and wanted food (no pause and screw the person who invented log out after 10min AFK in ANY game..)
i have yet to try the run in a group.. i should get in a clan..

[mighty tartan]

What’s the loop cap

You should be able to save your progress at the checkpoint after every completed loop(but if you die then you would have to start all over no matter what) and to be able to head back to DC temporarily so you can go take a dump

[twin geyser]

@fast laurel super 90 + breathe free + trauma + fire bullets. Takes 5 secs to send him to Jesus

[blazing sorrel]

what do you do when you first get to nem?

All I do is insta-die

[static parrot]

Step1, dont let him shoot you

[tawny dragon]

yo trying to queue for nemesis on xbox sucks

there is never anyone on 😭

[rustic bough]

If you have Plague you just sit and wait. You need 2 weapons, the first being a high rate of fire weapon, like Assault Rifle or LMG or Shotty, the other being a marksman rifle. Use the first gun to gain about half of the Pesti stacks on the Nemesis then swap to your MMR. Nothing can outheal that combo

[blazing sorrel]

they're patching the exotic talent glitch... nice

[balmy finch]

Shotties have a higher weapon DMG than MMRs

[rustic bough]

Plague tick damage is based on per pellet not per shot.

[balmy finch]

It's based on total weapon damage no?

[rustic bough]

I'm not sure but I've been using MMRs to chain kills. Tick damage goes up to 250k, something which I never achieved before with shotguns

[mighty tartan]

I’ll never get too close to a Nemesis again with a shotgun

[timid mauve]

With correct combination (shotty/leadership/adrenaline rush, trauma ), it is possible to take down nemesis in close range

[hidden idol]

It uses pellet damage

[clear dove]

If you wanna solo Nemesis, try Agonizing Bite + Onlitrate + crit dmg tallent. Works beautifully

[rustic bough]

Got to loop 13 and still no third exotic talent (got the second one on loop 4), and on the next loop it froze my entire PC. So here's a double finger to Massive

[short orbit]

Wow, standing on loop 20...
Server restart in 4 Hours... This game is crap

[rustic bough]

on the bright side of things, you likely won't last another 4 hours 😁

[mighty tartan]

The mode needs a checkpoint system before I would ever want to go past the first nemesis

On top of the usual crashes

[twin geyser]

Theoretical question: if enemies become stronger with every loop (compare heroic in group on loop 1 and on loop 3 ) - does it mean, that the longer we postpone the moment to meet the Nemesis - the worse we do for ourselves? 👀

I'm just so tired of clowns, always picking hard rooms and wiping on loop 5-6, because they just can't kill enemies 💀

[pine siren]

just go solo - I usually do nemesis rooms just picking the easiest room available at each stage, pretty sure it doesn't make nemesis noticeably tougher to beat

you can hit nemesis at the end of loop 5 that way, saves a lot of time and reduces chances of getting downed before you reach them

[twin geyser]

I always pick the easiest rooms and in 90% nemesis dies, but every time when I try to play with randoms - they always pick hard( That's just tragic

[simple haven]

When do you get the 2nd exotic talent? Any specific loop?

[twin geyser]

random

[simple haven]

Thanks.

[mighty tartan]

You’re better off picking the right talents rather than going for hard rooms only

Imo

Pug groups go for hard rooms cause that’s what they learned from YouTube and other social media sources

[wise granite]

I go for hard rooms so i can delay nemesucc and get extra money

[balmy finch]

Pretty much

Hard rooms make things worse

[balmy finch]

Extra money won't fix a skill issue

[raven lagoon]

tis true, most people are dumb and don't know how to watch 4 doors properly, lol

[balmy finch]

What I'm trying to get at, is that if you can't beat nemesis on easy you're not doing it on hard lmao

The money ain't helping you

If you face nemesis on easy and die, you didn't die because of no money, you died because of a skill issue

[raven lagoon]

not disagreeing with you, just as a group, if hard rooms are a problem, they just suck (as a group).

since they're not really any harder than an easy room, but people don't know how to watch doors. u can def be more prepared for nem with hard rooms (i still go mostly easy with a few mediums thrown in there depending on needs) but ya, over more loops it can get a bit harder since ur postponing the nem, as u said.

not even about the money either. hell, go all easy rooms and u can still end with hundreds (possibly thousands) of extra credits by the time u face nem if rng is good to you.

so it's not like extra money is even needed

[wise granite]

Hey. I'm the one getting them upgrades early and those high loops. Won't argue with that

Its literally free money up till loop 5

[balmy finch]

But it doesn't matter

[wise granite]

past that, not worth it

[balmy finch]

I can get to nemesis and kill it in ~30-35 minutes

[wise granite]

Yeah but that just removes the whole fun off descent really

Why go for hard rooms after beating nemesucc really?

[raven lagoon]

after nem? pft, never

[balmy finch]

???? Losing 50-70% of runs early isn't fun

[wise granite]

then just dont lose the runs early? a hard room in loop 5 is literally just an easy room with extra reward because it only spawns one wave

past loop 5, not worth it

[balmy finch]

Chance of losing runs on hard is significantly higher past loop 4

[wise granite]

not really. up till loop 5, all rooms are still one wave

past loop 5 is when your chance of losing is higher

[balmy finch]

I presume you never play in a group

[raven lagoon]

isn't it lower for groups? (can't remember)

[wise granite]

always solo

[balmy finch]

It's 4

[wise granite]

screw the mm for descent

[balmy finch]

My point is there's no reason to do descent past nemesis anyways

[raven lagoon]

agreed

[wise granite]

be the fed all the true sons think you are. go on solo runs 24/7

[balmy finch]

So why waste an extra hour for no reason at all

With an increased risk of killing the run

[wise granite]

You get more NSA tech and also extra xp

beyond that, truly worthless

[raven lagoon]

well, with that xp nerf incoming....lol

[balmy finch]

It's pretty easy to max out nsa tech lol

Not a nerf it's a fix

[raven lagoon]

it's still a nerf in a sense

[balmy finch]

I'd consider it moreso a bugfix

[wise granite]

i dont play with directives on in free roam but yeah that sucks majorly

they should just allow directives in descent

[raven lagoon]

atleast it was a worth while XP method, now descent just a waste except for the blueprints and exotic cache

[balmy finch]

And comms

[wise granite]

still better than playing summit for the 11,000,000th time

swear to god that dusty office tileset will give me an aneurysm

[balmy finch]

Countdown >

[wise granite]

countdown needs matchmaking. no thank you

stinky mm

[balmy finch]

Without matchmaking you've locked yourself out of quite a lot of the game

[wise granite]

I only do MM for raids, which admittedly are worth it

besides that, i play solo 99.99% of the time

[balmy finch]

...discovery?

[balmy finch]

So all your legendaries have been done on solo?

[wise granite]

Yes. And thank god i did them when I did

[balmy finch]

Also you'll have so much fun with the new incursions

[wise granite]

back on div 1?

[balmy finch]

Even tidal and manning?

[wise granite]

nope

[balmy finch]

No they are adding them next season

[wise granite]

tidal i had to mm

havent had luck with manning

[wise granite]

AYO?!

[balmy finch]

Did you not know this lmfao

[wise granite]

i dont remember exactly

is it for Y5S2 or later?

[balmy finch]

Y5S2

[wise granite]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOO

[balmy finch]

Y5S3 is "Back to NY" whatever that means

[raven lagoon]

merit mansion here we come! \o/

[balmy finch]

And Y5S4 is "Story DLC" and "Seasons 2.0"

[wise granite]

honestly, i just wish they add new places to explore

[balmy finch]

Idk what this even means ngl

[raven lagoon]

the incursion location

[balmy finch]

Ymean like the new dlc

[balmy finch]

Is that what it's called?

[wise granite]

swear to god im almost at that point of knowing what is where just at the mere sight of a specific prop

its terminal

[balmy finch]

And there's only one incursion right

[raven lagoon]

just one uyeaj

[balmy finch]

Right

[wise granite]

its over

[balmy finch]

So you said merit mansion? Is this a real world place or

[raven lagoon]

and yeah, I think they said in the stream it would take place at the Merit mansion (that company we see on billboards all over the place)

[balmy finch]

I presume not the merit mansion in Bangkok

[raven lagoon]

nah, that huge in game company that does like clothing and everything else I guess....seems like they have hands in literally everything

[wise granite]

the merlot mfs?

[balmy finch]

Wait merit is the in game replacement for Rolex right? Or was it another jewler

[wise granite]

the ones from all the hotels and shit

[raven lagoon]

pretty sure, banners everywhere on all the maps

pretty sure merit was even in div1 signs

[balmy finch]

Is this correct

Cuz Odea is the replacement for Apple

[raven lagoon]

honestly not sure, would make sense but seems to be more widespread than that

let me leave descent and look around a bit

[balmy finch]

Umm

There's a Rolex mansion in nyc I think

[raven lagoon]

see if I can find some of these banners around here

clothing, perfume, other stuff too it seems

standing in front of a meret store now....

[balmy finch]

can you dm me a photo

[balmy finch]

"Meret Estate" from what i found

[raven lagoon]

yeah, estate sounds more correct. XD

[neon spear]

Made it to nemesis and yeah it didnt go well

[timid mauve]

Just have a game to choose exotic talents 5 times within loop 6, sometimes RNG is crazy

[twin geyser]

We need to have 6 exo talents or upgrade the ones we have. Rerolling them could be the option as well (I don't need Doctor Home / Glass Cannon / weakpoint at loop 1, thank you)

[hexed dome]

Gear set talents would be pretty cool as well

Striker and HB together lmao

[humble halo]

i never understood why glass cannon is an exo in this mode

[hexed dome]

Also bloodsucker

[humble halo]

striker with nego and bullet hell. and plauge of outcasts

[twin geyser]

hunter's fury would be awesome for door controlling as well

[humble halo]

yeah but not better than nego

[twin geyser]

tried dillema multiple times - nice, but not my cup of tea, tbh

[rustic bough]

Remove Blind Justice. No one ever uses it

[humble halo]

glass cannon too in descent always a skip

[rustic bough]

No???!! GC is good wdym

[humble halo]

in descent

[rustic bough]

yes

[humble halo]

really

never use it with the server tbh

[rustic bough]

it's not the best but it's a solid choice

[humble halo]

if you get invisible npcs 💀 only than you can understand

[rustic bough]

I'd swap it out for better ones after defeating the Nemesis though

[humble halo]

i got like 800ms ping in a run i died

and got revived by my hive but no charge consumed

was weird

[rustic bough]

revive token maybe?

[humble halo]

everything froze ut was 😂 😂

[humble halo]

nothing like i didn't die

don't know what it was but game lagged like hell froze for 5s

waiting for NPCs to come out

after some time dead after that got revived somehow

[timid mauve]

Maybe matchmaking problem, I soloing all the time and it's stable

[humble halo]

was in a 2 man group

that is why i don't take glass cannon for a ride in descent not going to increase my chances to die with servers if it was stable yes but no for me

[delicate ruin]

Now that I think about it the nemesis encounter kinda reminds me of the hunter fight in survival, minus the scary atmosphere and beautiful snow. Both spawn in a similar way (random area and large cloud of smoke) and you fight them using gear you gathered. They’re both tanky and can kill you really fast but can also be killed quickly if you have the right gear.

Both have skills and can hack your skills

And for some reason they both always seem to have healing skills when I least want it

[humble halo]

hunters gives you amazing feel compared to the nemisis

[timid mauve]

They don't hack but jamming

[mighty tartan]

It’s hunters, but in the form of rogue agents?

[rustic bough]

You can kill the Nemesis with literally anything. I've done it with a skill build, other times with Glass Cannon etc.

[raven lagoon]

insult their career choice to inflict emotional damage

[humble halo]

lol

[pine siren]

'what kind of kid wants to be a holographic boss fight when they grow up?'

Scratch that, tbf that does sound like something a child would think is cool

[raven lagoon]

haha

"look at me, I'm clu, pewpew, fight the users"

[twin geyser]

would be nice to have different Nemesis arena variations, like NY arenas boss fights with rogues (Conley's ship / Parnell's prison / Dragov's bank etc.)

[balmy finch]

im fairly confident theres a canonical purpose to the battlefield

if you want two possibly canonical choices for arenas i gotchu

Agent Edwards Support
Coney Island Amusement Park

[twin geyser]

Since it's simulation, we may play with anything, right? The only canonical thing I see here - is it's a big virtual battlefield for training agents. But in which environments this training can happen - shouldn't be limited. IMO, of course

[balmy finch]

What I'm referring to is the fact that it's outside of the white house right after we got raided by the hunters at the white house. It would make sense if it was a hunter training ground, which would also mean that the two areas I mentioned above would be good training grounds since they are also areas we fought hunters

[twin geyser]

I got it, lore-friendly way. Maybe we'll have something better explained in last descent comms

[balmy finch]

Mhm, but I think Coney would be an awesome second battlefield

[twin geyser]

Agree

[balmy finch]

Lots of open space

Plus no hidey corners

[twin geyser]

The fire doggo battle was a nice place as well (but not as big)

[balmy finch]

Just not hunter-ey

[twin geyser]

Imagine adding summit rooms into loop variations 💀

[balmy finch]

Lmao

[balmy finch]

Luckily the rooms are static in descent so it's actually doable without breaking

[balmy finch]

You actually gave me two more arena ideas

Pentco Fairview
F100

Those two, along with coney, are actual situations where hunters are waiting for us to come. Rather than having to attack us on the fly (like Edwards)

[twin geyser]

Damn, Pentco would be a cool looking option

[raven lagoon]

still wish there were a few more location variations (potomac, darpa, etc. now) but like....more that resembled some of the old div1 UG rare rooms like the hyena club, or some more urbanish style environments (inside or faux outside really)

[humble halo]

shoud be inside wh

for a change never got the chance to fight inside wh

[balmy finch]

You spawn on the parking lot and you have twice as many hunters against you

[humble halo]

plus bonus hunters as a free 🎁 from dev

[balmy finch]

Nah

Wait no just an extra two not double

So in a group of four you're going against six (cuz two of them crashed while opening the loot)

[raven lagoon]

LOL

[balmy finch]

xD

Would also make scaling super weird

[balmy finch]

What terrifies me is that more nemesis-esque hunters in future missions are plausible. Hunters with literal loadouts designed specifically to counteract ours

[humble halo]

how about bonus effect of game crashing at hunter spawns?

[raven lagoon]

hunter emps have a 60% chance of blue screening your pc....

🫠

[humble halo]

or emps have a 50% chance if burning your cpu+ gpu

[mighty tartan]

The sewer where you fight Yannick the beard

[balmy finch]

That's not a hunter tho

Also it just outright gives out secret locations

[mighty tartan]

Oh yeah he’s just a…Rogunter

[balmy finch]

We are still missing a secret enemy that hasn't been discovered

[raven lagoon]

they probably gonna have to hint it like they had to do with the Bee boss....

lol

[balmy finch]

They did hint it

It's in WONY that's all that was mentioned

And that the steps have been discovered but not pieced together

[raven lagoon]

source for steps? I'm curious, I like puzzles....

[balmy finch]

There is no source lmfao

[raven lagoon]

nb4 it involves the two broken rollup doors and that's why it doesn't work, lol

/s btw

[balmy finch]

Literally all I have is AoIs

No actual leads

[raven lagoon]

😢

I spent so much time investigating random shit around both maps just because only to learn they don't do shit and are just there for giggles....like the wall consoles in space admin, the lil panels in pathway, etc.

all these things u can interact with but do nothing (tho atleast in space admin u also have the computers/printers for that one room)

[twin geyser]

at least hydden hotels led to something

[raven lagoon]

true

[twin geyser]

armpatch or backpack trophy would be nice, but we have what we have (nothing, I mean)

[shrewd flame]

They're making nemesis hit less hard in solo, neat

[twin geyser]

10% from a billion is still a lot

[timid mauve]

2nd bullet kill you anyway 💀

[ember ruin]

Any tips for the descent? I got angry when they killed me in 100% nemesis after 10 repetitions XD

[timid mauve]

Try the 11th time👍

[rustic bough]

Always take the high ground and bide your time while being jammed

[balmy finch]

Go all easy rooms

[pine siren]

If you're getting shot at, stop in cover - get your damage in while they're running or CC'd.

[wise granite]

Do hard rooms up until loop 5. Prioritize getting Clutch and Preservation in order to have high armor regen.

Do rooms with hazards first. Do miniboss rooms any time you can, since those are always 1 wave only

[raven lagoon]

🤔

[wise granite]

I am speaking from personal experience. For some reason, miniboss rooms only spawn 1 wave

Regardless of loop

Also, free extra NSA tech

Which is also the only incentive to keep going post nemesucc, extra NSA tech

[upper smelt]

Specifically for nemesis I'd say the exact opposite. Clutch is pretty useless early on when you don't have much chc, and preservation won't do anything for the nemesis, although it's quite strong in regular levels. For nemesis imo the easiest way is to make sure you at least have 1 trauma and then go pure damage talents. You'll blind it with trauma and can burst it down before it can do anything.

Hard rooms just mean it takes you longer to get there, but it does give you a few extra talents, but tbh it doesn't matter much in the end

[raven lagoon]

that's what I was scratching my chin at mainly. hard rooms may get you better prepared for nemesis but you delay him and have a harder-ish fight up to that point. could go easy all the way and still be just fine (i go easy/medium depending on my talent needs)

[wise granite]

Preservation procs on proxy kills

And clutch is apparently pre-nerf clutch not post nerf

[upper smelt]

What I'm talking about is literally bursting them down before they can do anything

[wise granite]

Yeah. And then have em just soak up all the burst and instakill you. No thanks

Here's the issue with nemesucc: They have your exact same stats and sorta same skills

[raven lagoon]

tosses plague into the mix Wooo, nem dies in 8 seconds...hardest fight yet. haha, love that talent

up to rng but it's a nice talent to bring to the table

[wise granite]

Yeah. Kinda why I dont rely on plague and go for higher survivability

[raven lagoon]

everybody plays their own way, I respect that.

I usually go all red, preservation is nice early on, but mostly all damage + trauma.

hopefully a decoy if it comes up

[wise granite]

I go for preservation and clutch, then go for composure and other damage bonus in cover talents. For skills, mainly chase the revive hive

[humble halo]

i got lucky yesterday and got lvl6 overwatch lvl5 opportunistic and lvl3 composure

at loop 5

and plaige of outcast with super 90

[pine siren]

I also go for all easy rooms, you may end up with lower stats, but that just means nemmy has lower stats too - and it's a lot quicker to get there, plus lower chance of dying en route (this is solo btw)

[upper smelt]

They only have a certain amount of health. You can consistently blind them with trauma and if you focus on damage you can kill them in that duration.

[wise granite]

At best, you will blind them once every 20s, 15 if you avoid the status effect cooldown. I wouldnt rely on that

[upper smelt]

You only need it once

[wise granite]

I doubt it. Plus they still move normally while blind, they just dont shoot. For some stupid reason

[humble halo]

because they can't see?

[wise granite]

I mean, if they cant see, they shouldn't be able to move to cover with no mistakes either....yet they can. Anywho, it is far better than how it used to be

[mighty tartan]

Rewards get reset every Tuesday right?

[raven lagoon]

the weekly project resets yes. but there's rewards you can always get through-out the week still regardless of the project.

like you can still farm nemesis for exotic caches, and a chance at reconstruction cache.

[twin geyser]

I wish he had my health and armor, you know(

[raven lagoon]

lol

[compact jewel]

Yea I've had the exact opposite experience nemesis is extremely easy to kill solo and I've got a clip where I kill him in 8 shots

It was like a 20s fight and my second time ever killing him

[vast garnet]

I'm still debating whether poodros is genuinely giving advice or whether he's just trolling. For example, from loops 1-5, I would never do mini-boss rooms — mainly because they do not progress you to Nemesis. More importantly, yes mini-boss rooms only have one wave but from loops 1-5, all rooms only have one wave. In a mini-boss room, the boss comes out of one door and all the other npcs come out of another; this can potentially overwhelm and kill players if they don't have the DPS to handle it.

[compact jewel]

True

I don't do the mini boss rooms at all cause my nsa tech is maxed

[nocturne hedge]

theres no point in doing random boss rooms imo when the game still spwans one wave per room, since the only difference is gonna be having a named pain in the ass. in higher loops (starting at L6 solo or on L4 in co-op) NPCs start spawning in two waves and in that situation ill take the boss room to save time and ammo

[wise granite]

Im mostly giving advice if youre looking to get a lot of money and upgrades early, im not going for speed

[rustic bough]

Boss rooms count as hard rooms, btw, so they increase the Nemesis meter by 2-3%

It's just not stated on the wall panel

I'd take boss rooms at any loop. They're so much easier to do in every case. Plus, free NSA techs, just saving for a rainy day

[mighty tartan]

Anyone here get the bug where they get randomly transported back to the descent lobby area but its dark and you can only move around? Happened a few times in groups and my run is lost so I was forced to exit to DC

[rustic bough]

nvm it is

[brisk sequoia]

Yo descent need some tweaks, add nda shop items, improve the time to reward ratio which is bad atm , do something

[nocturne hedge]

the 30s loops must be made easier a bit

[raven lagoon]

they wanna make you work HARD for that sweet 49% chance at a reconst cache...lol

[humble halo]

i heard it was 12%

[raven lagoon]

it's 12% from killing nemesis

after loop 30 (so loop 31+) you have a 49% chance of getting one.

but I mean, nobody really spending all that time to hit loop 31 just for a chance at a blueprint.... shrug some crazy people may do it though I guess

[rustic bough]

I just did that today

would not recommend.

[timid mauve]

Took 40 min to defeat nemesis, took 5 hours + to reach L30, the math not right to me

[rustic bough]

loop 31 mobs are way too overtuned

[raven lagoon]

I mean they did say, "this mode in infinite until the enemies are jut impossible" so I can see them seeing no need to tweak them any if there's no other real reason to go past loop 31....

maybe they just figure since there's no reason to go further....just make em hard af from that point forward, lol. Ubi logic

[rustic bough]

they didn't say "we stuck a patch that's impossible for you to get" though

[raven lagoon]

didn't hear about that one.

I only knew of the nem patch then the 4 tier patches myself

[rustic bough]

I'm referring to the Tiers 1-4

[raven lagoon]

I mean, pople have reached the tier 1 patch...it's just rough time

[humble halo]

also does bullet hell stacks with insects chatter

[rustic bough]

yes

[humble halo]

nice

[rustic bough]

but BH gets more redundant the bigger your mag becomes

[humble halo]

well i had choice b/w blind justice sandman and chatter box

[raven lagoon]

chatter or plague are always my first picks if possible....

[humble halo]

had bullet hell got 3 above choices

[raven lagoon]

then def chatter for sure....shame u didn't get it reverse order so you could've stacked chatters ROF buff ebfore getting BH

[humble halo]

yeah

also have lvl4 allegro

lol

[raven lagoon]

mmmm

[twin geyser]

That's a straight lie. When we reached loop 41, we didn't get any reconstructed caches. Being unlucky 11 items in a row?)

[humble halo]

daym

[rustic bough]

must be really nice to reach loop 41 in a group 🥺

[twin geyser]

Duo. Any more agents just ramps enemy's HP to absurd lvls

[rustic bough]

I find enemy HP absurd even at loop 30 solo

e.g. Rogue Agents

[raven lagoon]

no, this confused me as well. it's a single 49% chance

like you beat nemesis, 12% chance total regardless of how far you go up until loop 31+ then it's 49% total regardless of how many loop past that you go

[twin geyser]

something is off with the chances, I swear

[raven lagoon]

so loop 31, you have 49% chance ONCE. loop 400, still a single 49% chance

so the two choices are literally stop after loop 31, or stop after nem...there's really NO REASON to go further outside of some patches and just getting POS simulation caches. (which I forgot if they keep coming after a certain loop or not)

according to the rewards chart it jut stops, not sure if there's no additional values/rewards after 31, or if code loops back around or what

but it looks (to me) like ending after 31 nets you same rewards/chances as loop say 150...there's not more callouts for additional rewards.

[rustic bough]

hang on, i didn't get any sim caches in that last run

🤔

nvm I haven't checked my stash

[raven lagoon]

sim caches and reconst can be sent to mailbox for sure but.....one second

[rustic bough]

nope, my recons cache didn't

[twin geyser]

finds 60 reconstructed caches in the mailbox 👀

[raven lagoon]

they only get sent if u inventory is full (they wont drop on ground is wht Im saying)

should be 100% for one at loop 4, 100% +20% chance at bonus past loop 10, 40% chance at loop 13, 100% chance at 16 plus 60% chance at bonus, then another 100% hance at loop 19

[humble halo]

really

[raven lagoon]

(for simulation caches)

[humble halo]

bullet hell + diamondback talent for nemisis fight with trauma

[mighty tartan]

KiRRA, you ever get booted back to the descent lobby randomly when in a group?

[vast garnet]

if your cache inventory is full:

• the reconstructed cache from killing nemesis drops on the ground
• the reconstructed cache from loop 31 gets sent to your inbox

[raven lagoon]

i honestly don't play in a group so can't say anything

and all my reconst caches (i've never gone past loop 17) go straight to stash (if inventory full) even when solo shrug

[mighty tartan]

How many unique reconstructed caches are there that can drop?

[raven lagoon]

29 blueprints IIRC? with 2 missing blueprints apparently....need confirmation on that tho

[mighty tartan]

That’s a lot of grinding

[vast garnet]

i deliberately keep my cache inventory full, always, so that caches get sent to my inbox.
if you have a lvl 31 character, simulation caches are more likely to give lvl 31 highend gear so farming descent is the only adequate way to get 31 gear.

[raven lagoon]

ya, I don't do it on purpose but when I get 20-30 prof caches and the exotic/simulation/crafting caches and such I've just never had my reconst caches hit ground (despite having an overabundance of FPCs on ground waiting for me as well) they went to stash. keeping the cache inventory full seems like a good idea though.

gonna have to try that next time regardless

still got a lot of farming to do, only got like 4 blueprints from descent so far, long way to go.

[vast garnet]

yeah for me, leaving descent after nemesis kill... exotic & reconstructed cache are always on the ground.
if i go to higher loops, the exotics from loops 19, 26, 31 are sent to inbox.

[raven lagoon]

that's so wierd, inconsistent for sure 🤔 eh, as long as they're not lost to the void that's all the matters right? lol

also not sure if it interacted differently due to being a HC character (but I doubt that would change anything at all in this regards)

[vast garnet]

if you're in a group, they can get lost. several players exit descent, get sent back to their instance, but then immeidately pushed into their group's instance — causing them to lose everything on the ground.

[raven lagoon]

ya now that I have definitely heard of, lol. definitely happy I'm more of a solo player in that regard

[vast garnet]

if caches are sent to inbox, even if they're missing, often logging out and logging back in will fix that.

[raven lagoon]

still kind of wish (pipe dream never gonna happen) if you die/fail at descent it just put you in a new descent starting room (the one with button) to avoid having to re-enter yet again after loading in to DC already.

but im sure it's done that way for the way descent is loaded I would assume.

[mighty tartan]

If we had the main Div 2 team back then the programming might have been better maybe

[mighty tartan]

My current favorite weapon for descent is the non scope M44 rifle with Super 90

[mighty tartan]

Bullet hell, Glass cannon

[plucky lichen]

Fixed the issue with getting the Nemesis Arm Patch after defeating the Nemesis.

• I still did not get the arm patch after defeating Nemesis again today. Is it still bugged?

[vast garnet]

are you killing nemesis before or after loop 10?

[plucky lichen]

before

[vast garnet]

try killing him after

[plucky lichen]

Thanks for the advice!

[vast garnet]

it sounds stupid but if i recall, the bug was that the game doesn't recognize that you've killed him if you're not past loop 10.

[plucky lichen]

Okay, it sounds stupid but I will try. Thanks again!

[vast garnet]

cool. lemme know if it works. don't want to spread false information.

[nocturne hedge]

Is there a way to check how many times ive killed nemesis?

[wise granite]

i think its either that or it was intended, because i got the nemesis patch and the description read "awarded for killing nemesis on the highest loop"

[balmy finch]

no

[olive crescent]

Can i play descent i just got black tusk in my world

[vast garnet]

yep

[nocturne hedge]

descent is playable even at level 2, when you just unlock the white house

[olive crescent]

Im finding a lot of garbage on google where in WH do i find descent

[nocturne hedge]

not in white house, its a bit to the east

cant send a screen shot since im in descent myself

[olive crescent]

Alright ty anyways 🙂

Kinda around conflict?

[nocturne hedge]

no...?

[polar ember]

I believe you need to speak to someone at the castle settlement first

[nocturne hedge]

theres also a project of donating 15 electronics i think

[nocturne hedge]

check DMs

[twin geyser]

Can say from my experience, that's it's randomly bugged for different agents. We got the armpatch after beating nemesis on loop 6 or 7, meanwhile mates, who did it solo at loop 8, didn't get the armpatch

[nocturne hedge]

there seems to be a bug in descent where you can put a decoy in a weapon slot, which causes the weapon to be deleted and the decoy undeployable

no idea how i caused it

[mighty tartan]

Buggiest mode so far

They are taking minimum viable product as far as they can

[twin geyser]

why descent audio numbers constantly change?) 16 - 12 -14

[raven lagoon]

counting is hard....

[nocturne hedge]

im still a few weeks behind

[wise granite]

15 loops in

i think i achieved the meta

legit think i found a sorta viable strategy now

[rustic bough]

Xdoubt

I thought I found the meta when I reached loop 24, which gets thrown out of the window on loop 31

[wise granite]

i hope i can get there, because this build is looking oddly promising

i genuinely would send a picture if i could

like. ill describe it in text and hopefully the mods dont nuke me for "spamming", because it gets lengthy...sorta

so. Classic M60, M1A and revolver (pistol eventually becomes obsolete)
Damage talents: critical, surgical, composure, obliterate, vigilance and overwatch
Armor Talents: insulated, clutch, preservation, entrenched, bull run and leadership
Utility: lucky shot, trauma, braced, optimized, steady hand and surge

and for exotic talents, i just went with diamondback, lady death and bullet king

[upper smelt]

just keep in mind that levels 15-20ish are by far the easiest

[wise granite]

they're relatively easy unless rogue agents show up

[rustic bough]

No no no, enemies around that loop are still considered squishy

[rustic bough]

What skills?

[wise granite]

decoy and rez hive

[rustic bough]

Cool cool

Both are one of the goats

[wise granite]

aaaaand its over

i hate the fucking true sons jugg so fucking much

and i also got 2 intels instead of 1 somehow

but ill take those sweet 18 loops

[vast garnet]

for me:
from loops 5-25, it was easy to just dump stats into armor and rely on dmg talents.
from loops 31-34, the npcs get a hefty jump in dmg, health, and aggression.
from loops 35-40, ammo can become an issue if i don't have enough dmg output.
around mid 40s, everything starts one-shotting. having lots of armor won't stop it.

[wise granite]

i think they get the damage buff earlier. true sons tank really was doing more damage than usual...although granted i only had 135% armor

[vast garnet]

everyone's thresholds will be a bit different due to the stats/talents they've allocated.

[rustic bough]

yeah 5-25 is about what I do, too.

[upper smelt]

are you using pesti+m44 past 30 or are there other solid setups for higher floors?

[rustic bough]

having 40% damage is good enough.

[mighty tartan]

How are you guys getting to 30+ loops without having to take a break

[rustic bough]

who said we didn't take breaks?

😉

[mighty tartan]

Doesn’t the game kick you out for being idle

[rustic bough]

yes but there are ways to get around it.

[mighty tartan]

I need to take a nap after loop 15

[wise granite]

I honestly wish they just added a checkpoint. that and a way to use gearset talents/certain talents that arent featured

[rustic bough]

do you have a controller?

[wise granite]

im on pc

only controller i have is an xbox one

i realized

[rustic bough]

oh that question is for @mighty tartan

[mighty tartan]

Yeah

[rustic bough]

when you plan to go afk, plug the controller in (no need for wireless), tie the right joystick to the handle with a rubber band, then press X on the keyboard

that will make you run circles perpetually

[mighty tartan]

I wanna shut the game down for a bit since my room gets hot with this game open and to let my poor videocard get some rest

I’m just going to go up to nemesis for now

[vast garnet]

pretty much pesti+m44+super90. i know a guy who ran a pesti+m44+vector and got to loop 52. pretty nuts what smgs can do.

[rustic bough]

wowee

[mighty tartan]

M44 with super 90 is the best

[vast garnet]

the first time i got into the 40s, i was mostly sniping. spending 9 consecutive hours landing headshots was mentally taxing. the second time around, i relied mostly on a super 90 to build pesti stacks. less aiming & focusing made things so much easier.... which is why i try to get 10x lucky shot ASAP.

[mighty tartan]

I just don’t have the endurance anymore to marathon these shooter games, especially infinite modes

[rustic bough]

you're not required to

[vast garnet]

depending on how you set up your build, loops 15-25 can be really enjoyable since everything dies instantaneously.

[mighty tartan]

You can use super90 as a long range weapon in Descent yeah

Nemesis heat gauge should restart after the first

Also a high damage pistol with bullet hell can conserve alot of ammo

[wise granite]

There should be more bosses besides Nemesucc. Maybe Rogue Agent infiltrations or Hunter infiltrations. Maybe add fucking....sam fisher for an easy cashgrab idfk

[rustic bough]

huh, you don't get enough rogues and boss rooms before Nem?

[wise granite]

No. I don't. I want more

Enough of these battles. I want a war that will either kill me or set me free

[mighty tartan]

Division backrooms

[rustic bough]

💀

[wise granite]

actually entered once, back when summit was the new thing

[wise granite]

@mighty tartan question: given your reaction emote, i assume this stuff is in the PTS?

i dont have the disk space to play it so im curious

[mighty tartan]

Huh

Im just a mid gamer is all

[wise granite]

aight

like, i think i just am hooked on descent

wally wasnt lying. that simulation can get you addicted

[mighty tartan]

Diablo 4 got boring, so I’m back until Wayfinder hits

[rustic bough]

Any run without Plague is so boring

[nocturne hedge]

does unhinged effect plague's damage?

[humble halo]

i think it does because it is permanent and additive with all weapon dmg

[atomic agate]

It's super fun. Seems to have been a flash of inspiration over at Ubisoft when they came up with it.

[jolly cave]

The recent-ish trend of adding rogue-lite modes to games post launch is my favourite thing devs have done in a while.

[wise granite]

It is fun. But of course, still needs polish

[atomic agate]

Yeah I was honestly super sceptical because I'm not really a fan of rogue-lites but it fits really well here and it's really morish going through and seeing what you get each time. It's got that 'just one more run' quality even though some runs can take hours ha ha.

[jaunty totem]

ive been meaning to try out the hitman one it sounds fun

[balmy finch]

dead ass im gonna be building an explosive resist tank build solely in case something happens with the new incursion

cuz when iron horse released, i said i was gonna build a hazpro tank but never got to it. now here we are

[raven lagoon]

nb4 new warhound comes with incursion....just has a knife duct taped to an arm and runs around and stabs u through that hazpro, lol

stabby stabby

[balmy finch]

its cleaners so

[raven lagoon]

ugh, fine......drone with a knife, lol

[balmy finch]

lol

[twin geyser]

That's some scary stuff, tbh. Like outcasts' lawnmover, but the flying one 💀

[raven lagoon]

cleaners get ahold of black tusk equipment. they grab mini tanks and attach the 4 warhound legs to it like arms, with knives on each leg....so it just rolls around the battle field with 4 stabby limbs flailing around. 🫠

johnny five has gone badass now....

[atomic agate]

That lawnmower pisses me off more than any other enemy in the game. There's just something so aggravating about it.

[twin geyser]

I died on loop 32 (bout a month ago) thanks to that lawnmover, which instantly ate all my armor and bled me to death. This is my Number 1 enemy now

[atomic agate]

Yeah they always just show up right next to you at the worst possible time.

[nocturne hedge]

snipers are my #1 enemy, i died in loop 32 arena twice

we need unbreakable as a blue or exotic talent

[twin geyser]

Ah, the red sniper, which leaves you 1 HP and double shoot in the split of a second. Magnificent 👌

[wise granite]

it would have to be perfect unbreakable and be an exotic talent

[wise granite]

besides that, I wouldn't mind getting calculated, creeping death, intimidate, unstoppable force and/or wicked

[desert pond]

more exotics in general

[nocturne hedge]

vile would be great (toxic delivery)

[feral scroll]

I really enjoy descent, when you get a good set of weapons and flow of talents

You can do very well, loop 6 is my record so far lmao. Died by getting too comfortable

[mighty tartan]

Bullet hell carries my runs

[humble pivot]

Anybody getting blueprints still. If so, how?

[nocturne hedge]

defeating nemesis has a 12% chance of giving you a reconstructed cache which gives a blueprint, i have 9 so far

[humble pivot]

Are you leaving straight after nemesis or continuing on and then leaving?

[nocturne hedge]

straight up leave

the game does a really terrible job at telling you which blueprint you got. you have to check the crafting station and look for a " ! " each time you open a rec cache

[humble pivot]

Thanks. I have3 from earlier, but have not had one drop since TU 18.3. I’ll try a few more times.

[vast garnet]

after almost a week, i had a r-cache drop this afternoon.

[nocturne hedge]

for me it feels like every 3 or 4 nemesis runs

[humble pivot]

Drops every 3-4 runs I would like. No drops this week after 8+ runs

[timid mauve]

I used to farm cache with each 4-5 run, now feels like it's harder to drop

[nocturne hedge]

how many blueprints do yall have?

[timid mauve]

17

[nocturne hedge]

jeez and i thought i was doing good at 9

[timid mauve]

Guess my luck drained out now😂

[humble halo]

i have 0 😂

[rustic bough]

I've got 3, but I've never really farmed for it. Instead I prioritised NSA tech gain

[humble halo]

what is their use after the table outside is maxed you can buy caches with them?

[rustic bough]

nothing

just for hoarding

[nocturne hedge]

Nothing, i have 12k nsa tech without having a use for them

[humble halo]

12k 👀

i have 10 and i probably have many upgrades to buy

[vast garnet]

i have 40k in NSA tech. not entirely sure why players are even advising others to collect them. the devs haven't stated whether they plan to expand the NSA shop. and if it's anything like textile points, it's just another dead currency.

[ionic plover]

Are you able to get eagle bearer from the descent and if so how?

[nocturne hedge]

no

[broken kayak]

It can be a dead currency, but we could also just have fun knowing that the currency is doo doo stinky

[mighty tartan]

Ideas for the left over currency:

Purchasing more caches

Buying new talents/exotics/weapons/skills to be placed into future runs

Exclusive cosmetics and skins

[simple haven]

Or to buy a checkpoint.

[mighty tartan]

Another form of currency sink yes

Buying a checkpoint or a small random buff for the next run

[simple haven]

Or an XP boost for one run.

[mighty tartan]

The costs should be reasonably high

[simple haven]

Yeah.

Could also buy % for the caches.

[timid mauve]

Or cosmetics just for descent mode, got bored of the same look

[twin geyser]

Ready to pay 1k each for reconstructed caches, just hate the idea of having another useless currency in the game (

[broken kayak]

Why is Descent matchmaking so ass?

[daring gorge]

Bra can't matchmake for anything on the xbox.

[daring gorge]

Can't even use the in-game xbox lfg to find Descent people to find. Because there is rarely anyone on.

[mighty tartan]

It’s not a popular mode for matchmaking

[fringe nest]

On PS, it show what blueprint u got on the lower left of the screen after open the cache

[nocturne hedge]

so i just finished loop 14 and the only exotic talent i have is from loop 1. not a single exotic talent was offered, wtf is going on?

[balmy finch]

Bad rng lol

[nocturne hedge]

really cant be

[raven lagoon]

you pissed off rngesus

[balmy finch]

Prove it

[nocturne hedge]

ive had exotics in loops 2 and 3 which have the lowest odds in the game at 5%, not in this run obv

[balmy finch]

Ok

[nocturne hedge]

im just gonna end the run if i dont get an exotic talent by this loop

[upper smelt]

Which...is rng....

[humble halo]

anyone knows

why i am not seeing a second exo talent at loop 8 rn

[humble halo]

are exo talents in descent rng?

[balmy finch]

Yes

[humble halo]

😂

i didn't see another exo talent after loop 1 till loop 12

[thin bloom]

lol

so sad

[humble halo]

you were with me too lmao 😂

[thin bloom]

lol

[nocturne hedge]

Loop 1 is guaranteed. Other loops have a chance. Some have a higher chance and some have lower

[humble halo]

ok so we were very unlucky good to know

f*k this mode

[thin bloom]

[raven lagoon]

Always nice when you get three exotic talents before nemesis fight at loop 5. Lol

Like a unicorn run, lol

[raven lagoon]

take that back. 4th exotic talent choice, loop 6

[glacial lily]

Is the matchmaking still complete shit?

[raven lagoon]

Is MMing ever not shit? 🤔

[glacial lily]

It's an Ubisoft game so probably

[balmy finch]

ubisoft has nothing to do with that, its literally just the human race

[raven lagoon]

Lol

[glacial lily]

What are you on about lol

[raven lagoon]

Nothing wrong with mming in descent. Its just rng if you're gonna get good teammates, idiots, or nobody.

That and there doesn't seem to be much incentive to play the mode (i still play it at times but meh).

[glacial lily]

2 hours of match making to find 1 guy. I refuse to believe that literally no one plays it

[raven lagoon]

It's poor xp gain, it's bad loot source, can be fun though i give it that for sure. And idk about anyone else but my rng is shit with earning the blueprints from it. So i can believe its a lil dead.

And unless you're going to poop bucket long runs, it's easier to just solo it.

[balmy finch]

completely possible

[mighty tartan]

It’s a punishing mode and can take up your entire day, so most players just solo for nemesis

If you ever ran raid or even countdown with pugs, it’s similar experience but even more higher stakes

Although I do like duo if the other player is equal or better

I find it’s a sweet spot for enemy scaling to room coverage

[compact jewel]

@upper smelt so I've noticed if you don't get all easy rooms you have to do an extra loop to get to nemesis

Just got my first reconstructed cache ever wish me luck

Mannnn I got white death

[balmy finch]

nice

[humble halo]

i got new reliable wish it was kard custom or dark winter

[wise granite]

I have never gotten a single reconstructed, and somehow have gotten 2 intels in 1 sitting

[humble halo]

bruh bad rng

[wise granite]

True

Like, deep lore about how the feds are dealing with BT to bring upon a plutocratic dictatorship? BORING! I want some blueprints my boi

[timid mauve]

Not sure if secret nerfed in 18.3, it just didn't dropped things like b4

[nocturne hedge]

whats the best full auto gun in descent?

[humble halo]

m4 i think famas has a lot of recoil compared to it so a bit difficult if you are not used to it

[atomic agate]

Yeah I thought Famas would be the bomb but I do prefer the Police M4. I guess we are now using these weapons raw so they stack up differently. I also stay away from LMGs with super long reload times.

[humble halo]

lmg with reload becomes a problem at the start because they leave you open

[atomic agate]

Yup. Unfortunately I haven't seen a way to check reload speed when you choose so you kind of have to know them by sight.

[humble halo]

most of them are 4-5s also

no reload bonus from watch

[atomic agate]

Yeah that's way too long in there. You can die in 5 seconds. 😟 There's one LMG that looks like an AK-47 that has decent reload but I don't know what it's called.

[humble halo]

rpk

[atomic agate]

Yeah think that's the one.

[nocturne hedge]

i was assuming bullet hell and braced already equipped so reloading and recoil wouldnt be too much of an issue

[cosmic stream]

I just realized that I should be doing easy and normal cuss I spend 250 tech on two upgrades each

One was that you get an extra talent at the start and the other was allowing for an extra one option for more talent backups

[mighty tartan]

Anyone here tried all armor stat run?

[balmy finch]

I prefer not dying personally

[vast garnet]

Yeah there are a number of players who have set up builds where all their stats are put into armor. It's possible. Haven't seen those guys get past the mid 40s tho.

[timid mauve]

Try to replace a skill but nothing changed, twice, its scam💀

[vast garnet]

When a skill is on cooldown, the game won't let you change it. Players have already reported it as a bug on the ubi forums.

[timid mauve]

@vast garnet good to know, this is the stinger hive I want to change, and the exact same skill that nemesis killed me 😂

[mighty tartan]

I just did all armor up until Nemesis, so thats at least doable

[fringe nest]

I usually get 1 red on loop1 then all armor depends on the offensive talent I got

[humble halo]

i go full red or 2-3 yellows for my skills

[raven lagoon]

full red \o/

[twin geyser]

6 skill tiers + striker drone / turret 🥹

[humble halo]

does it even work 👀

[twin geyser]

nope 💀

[humble halo]

i use the skill tier to 2
3 for 3-4 riot foam before cooldown

[balmy finch]

can confirm exotic talents are still rng, just got one at loop 4

[raven lagoon]

yeah, the other night I had 3 by the time I ended loop 5 (made nemesis easier than usual ofc) and then got a 4th option on loop 6....still got my ass handed to me by rikers on loop 7/8 tho...

[balmy finch]

and another on loop 5

[raven lagoon]

game be generous for ya

fingers crossed they were good options

[balmy finch]

glass cannon, breathe free, agonizing bite

absolutely nuked nemesis

[raven lagoon]

LOL

no wonder game crashing, you're just obliterating the code with your exotic talents....poor 1s and 0s didn't stand a chance

[silver junco]

8/14 comms god i hate this mode...

[raven lagoon]

that's a weird way to say you love descent....

[silver junco]

i love collecting comms

[pine siren]

I hate that you can't play catch up at the moment, can only get one new comm per week regardless of whether you missed some weeks

[raven lagoon]

i SWORE i got 2 back to back one week (but it was like the first or second week, like before the qty changed the first time)

[silver junco]

i got two comms during the second week cuz the weekly project somehow reset once after i completed it. after that there's only one comm per week

[raven lagoon]

yeah, might've been from when they had the reset timer off for the first few weeks.

since the descent project reset like 8hrs prior to the actual "weekly" reset for everything else for the first few weeks.

[nocturne hedge]

first it was 16 comms then 12 and now 14?

[balmy finch]

Probably still tinkering with whether some should be added/removed, would give em slack over it since they can't be unlocked yet anyways

[nocturne hedge]

I think my luck ran out too. No cache in like 5 nemesis runs, stuck at 10 blueprints currently.

[mighty tartan]

Descent is a training simulator for SHD agents, but do you guys feel it actually trains the player as well, or does the gameplay veer too much from the actual base game to matter?

[balmy finch]

Who said it was a training simulator

It's a defense system according to canon

[mighty tartan]

oh really

I was under the impression that it was

for some reason

[balmy finch]

Nope it's canonically a defense system for something

Also it's owned by black tusk

A defense system that ISAC can fit into but none of your other gear

[mighty tartan]

what was it defending

[pine siren]

comms

[balmy finch]

We don't know yet

[nocturne hedge]

Its defending a briefcase on some tractor

[balmy finch]

Lmao

[mighty tartan]

Are the simulations part of that defense

[nocturne hedge]

what defense

its just a training thingy

although im a few weeks behind on comms

[jolly cave]

@spare sail You're looking for #lfg-playstation

[spare sail]

Ahhhh ok my bad

[prisma knot]

Good morning. Is there a new Nemesis "available"? I do know that we had "Alpha","Bravo","Charlie" and "Delta". Since yesterday it seems that there is a new one "Echo". Can anyone confirm this?

[nocturne hedge]

i think i saw echo before, but i thought names were just randomized from alpha to echo

[prisma knot]

Thank @nocturne hedge . Never saw echo yet. Also my clan mates never saw echo. In my opinion each Nemesis (depends on the name) has different "skills". 🤔

[nocturne hedge]

nemesis's loadout usually matches yours. whenever i run an LMG i notice nemesis has an lmg too, etc

[prisma knot]

@nocturne hedge that's what I have thought. But my experiences are that if you have alpha then this one is more aggressive than delta f.e.

[mighty tartan]

How metaphorical

[mighty tartan]

That’s what I thought

[nocturne hedge]

Thats why its called the nemesis and not some GenericBadGuy#262784

[mighty tartan]

The greatest enemy is you

[balmy finch]

Some skills are copied while some aren't

[plucky lichen]

I got the patch when I got to level 10. Nemisis killed on level 6 and then continue to get to level 10 to get the patch.

[wise granite]

Nemesis' loadout is always the same as yours, but he'll only use the strongest weapon that you have on you.

So, if you have a shotgun or rifle, he'll use the one that deals the most damage

He might switch between weapons depending on the case, but im not sure about that one

Only seen him switch once

but nemesis, with a couple exceptions, always matches your own guns and skills

[nocturne hedge]

except revive hive, all shield variants and having no skills at all

[wise granite]

kinda why i said there are a couple exceptions. All the exceptions and information I've found, I logged on the wiki
https://thedivision.fandom.com/wiki/Descent

Help would be appreciated, especially for the talents

[jolly cave]

Fair warning: the div wiki is mostly incredibly out of date, so be careful of any info you use from there.

[nocturne hedge]

wasnt there a spreadsheet with all the talent data

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTJEX5DerCvOj3a_m36TRy1gPBAUvrduOIdmXI9j1Y0MpQk1wIXaZ9KOcPa7HzXzp_N5qGmjDj6yEfL/pubhtml#

the timing on overwatch might be false but im not a 100% sure, others are correct

[humble halo]

really

[raven lagoon]

all that was pulled directly so SHOULD be correct

[humble halo]

i thought it was busted i got lvl 9 overwatch

90% twd/tsd after 4 sec in cover

[nocturne hedge]

any updates on TDI and harmony blueprints?

[raven lagoon]

last time the guy checked they confirmed they're missing from descent pool

shrug missing tags or something

[nocturne hedge]

do devs even know about this

[raven lagoon]

probably not, and technically it's against TOS to tell them (actually against TOS to even mentioned it here actually)

cause how would you know for sure if not sure breaking TOS? shrug

[nocturne hedge]

lol

[humble halo]

by breaking tos👀

[raven lagoon]

a few folks have done it of course cause it's for the good of the player base but yeah....telling them they fucked up is against the rules despite it being for good intentions. lmfao

few exotics still messed up with blueprints requirements, named items having regular item tags so they drop more often, blueprints missing tags so not in descent pool, etc.

[nocturne hedge]

how else are we gonna do it, we cant pop in their dreams or some shit

[raven lagoon]

oof, bot didn't like my naughty words, sorry mods...

[humble halo]

lmao

[raven lagoon]

but yeah, one would hope they (ubi) wouldn't take action against anyone telling them something was wrong with code since they're only trying to help....

[humble halo]

we can always call a helo at division dev hq

[nocturne hedge]

i know a certain div2 dev
@balmy finch

[humble halo]

@balmy finch

@raven lagoon you too👀

[nocturne hedge]

plan B would be someone getting 29 blueprints and telling the devs that they cant get the last two

cause we know the loot pool is seasons 1 to 4

[nocturne hedge]

and for some reason backup boomstick is in the pistol category, i was so excited when i saw the exclemation mark on the pistols

[raven lagoon]

I figured it was in the pistol category only because it's a handgun/sidearm, and wasn't sure if there was another shotgun handgun/sidearm....and they just lazily slapped it in with the rest of them.

but yeah, that bugs me at times too

[balmy finch]

Ping

[raven lagoon]

this is true....if they don't pull the "well it's rng so your streak of 400 runs and no more reconstruction caches must be on you, not us"

[wise granite]

overwatch is 6 seconds, but drops to 5 after the first stack. Unsure if it can drop any lower

[raven lagoon]

though at that point you might get a reconst cache but no blueprint? wont know until someone collects all the BPs I guess....

[nocturne hedge]

im gonna make it my mission to find that out

[balmy finch]

I can confirm you as not a division 2 dev that I don't know

[nocturne hedge]

one rec cache a day, cya guys in 3 weeks

11 / 31(29)

[humble halo]

good luck

[nocturne hedge]

[raven lagoon]

one a day, lmfao....i wish I had that kind of rng.

[nocturne hedge]

would be a shame if a mod saw this and reported it to the devs

[raven lagoon]

would be a shame if a mod came in here and slapped us all with temp bans for opening our mouths. XD (i love you mods, i'll buy you guys donuts or beer)

[humble halo]

maybe make us mods too

[jolly cave]

Maybe stop talking about it in the official div2 discord server and nothing needs to happen.

[raven lagoon]

love u Rivens ❤️

[nocturne hedge]

oh shit we've been spotted

[raven lagoon]

im still waiting to see if they fix the double icons for craft/recal/stash at castle near the descent entrance....

[nocturne hedge]

dude screw you i cant unsee it now

[raven lagoon]

😘

i haven't been able to unsee it since day 1 and it's been killing me

[vast garnet]

lmfao I can't believe that worked

[nocturne hedge]

just got a second one, my last cache was just a few hours ago

[raven lagoon]

u lucky mfer, lol

[wise granite]

yo they added a respawn token to descent!

holy jesus

[nocturne hedge]

you sure youre not mistaking it for a revive token

[wise granite]

sorry, revive token, you're right. but still, new stuff

you got to buy it on the supply station not the start room tho

500 currency

[nocturne hedge]

not new

[wise granite]

oh

then nvm

bruh

i dont remember it being there

[nocturne hedge]

only appeas in co-op if not mistaking

[wise granite]

im on solo

[upper smelt]

There's still the revive token system in solo. If you go full down and get picked up by a hive you'll use it and have the option to buy another

[nocturne hedge]

so the hive no longer brings you back from the dead without a token?

[upper smelt]

If your down on a knee it always will. But think like HC when you go full down your character is dead, that uses the revive token, it doesn't matter if it's you picking yourself up or a teammate.

[wise granite]

ohhh

[wise granite]

Got to loop 23 before I had to quit. Sadge. Run was going hellishly well and, with enough time, it could have gone well into the 30s

[wise granite]

it was going so damn well and then i had to fluke by quitting

[mighty tartan]

The mode eats up too much time to marathon

[wise granite]

yeah. it just needs a checkpoint feature fr fr

[vast garnet]

is there any indication that you've used up your revive token? it's easy to see if my teammates have used theirs but i can't seem to figure out my own.

[wise granite]

if you have fully died, you've used it up

[mighty tartan]

There comes moments where you still can’t outplay a situation where all 3 other players in your group are dead and you are left to handle all the npcs in the room because you already used a revive token on someone else already, but they died again right after you revived them.

Like, you really can’t carry your team completely with revive tokens, and even if you do, they are just leeching away at the currency to upgrade yourself

[neon spear]

Lol facts

[timid mauve]

Got invisible spawn as usual, the worst thing is they also invincible after reappear, basically a dead sentence to me LOL

[humble halo]

yeah got an invisibleoutcast rusher 🤣 🤣

and an invisible sniper 💀 yesterday what could go wrong

[nocturne hedge]

snipers are so overtuned its crazy

[humble halo]

yeah without insta kill immunity on first time you would be a goner

[nocturne hedge]

one second i was peaking around my cover to shoot someone, the next second i had an arrow up my nose, dead on the ground. loop 32 arena

[humble halo]

lol

better than Invisible outcast rusher through the door in front of you

[nocturne hedge]

they both suck just in different ways

[humble halo]

yeah 😂

i got quite good exo talents and weapons yesterday lvl10 opportunistic allegro and lvl8 composure

with lvl 6 preservation lvl3 lucky shot

with exo being plauge bullet hell and chameleon till loop 10

but it felt a drag so i quit on loop 11

with super 90 and M4

[balmy finch]

not the channel for this

[crystal agate]

Sorry didn't see

[humble halo]

my 3rd option was blind justice sandman and chameleon

[balmy finch]

no someone deleted a message

[humble halo]

lol

[timid mauve]

Idk the simulation is aim for dealing hackers 💀

[fringe nest]

is it only one nemesis per run? after i killed him, no more nemesis heat show on the room selection

[humble halo]

yeah one nemisis per run

[nocturne hedge]

Yeah its once only

Would be kinda cool if the heat went back to 0 and you could spawn him again

[nocturne hedge]

EMP jammers screw up with visibality way too much

[humble halo]

they screw you basically in every way possible

[pine siren]

they keep staggering enemies though, which is entertaining and somewhat useful

[twin geyser]

Can't thank them enough when it's black tusk

[zenith blaze]

the way isac says hard hits diff 😭

[wise granite]

ISAC wasn't lying. That hard room got hands

2 rogue agents just dishing it at some poor agent in loop 12

[mighty tartan]

I like the fire hazards too where they just walk all over them and keep setting themselves on fire

[wise granite]

you can actually bait them into it with decoys

[mighty tartan]

Decoy skill is top tier for this mode

[mighty tartan]

Nemesis always come out of cover to shoot them

[balmy finch]

I just cc and face blast

[humble halo]

have you ever had outcast rusher face blast you?👀

[mighty tartan]

beep beep!

[boreal kayak]

so i havnt played div 2 in a while .. can you play descent to level up your watch or is it separate from the main game character?

[nocturne hedge]

you can, not really the best way though

[boreal kayak]

i just like the randomness of it sounds fun how do you play it?

[boreal kayak]

cool.. 10 mins into a descent game crashes... as if they havnt fixed this crap yet

[humble halo]

and never will probably

[boreal kayak]

😦

[rustic bough]

just got past loop 31 woot woot

although we wiped on 32 cuz hive decided to unalive

[twin geyser]

F

[mighty tartan]

I set the cpu affinity core to 0 for the easy anticheat application

[nocturne hedge]

no reconstructed caches in like 8 nemesis runs

this game gates me

[gentle lagoon]

what chance of named blueprint? ive got one on 32 loop but didnt on 33.

[nocturne hedge]

12% on nemesis. 49% on loop 31

im not sure if its 49% PER LOOP starting on 31, or just one chance at loop 31

[gentle lagoon]

@nocturne hedge thank you very much

[nocturne hedge]

np

[timid mauve]

@nocturne hedge The longest interval in my progress like 13 or 14 run, hope yours will be shorter

[nocturne hedge]

Thanks. I really hope so too.

[thin bloom]

when descent have checkpoint lol

[fiery marsh]

Just one chance at 31

[nocturne hedge]

got one on my next run, so i guess my highest is 8

[neon spear]

Haven't made it to nemesis in 2weeks because everybody thinks there John Rambo

[balmy finch]

just do it solo

[neon spear]

@balmy finch true but sometimes you wanna run wit ppl

[balmy finch]

then dont complain about said ppl

[neon spear]

😭😭😂

[balmy finch]

am i wrong lol

[neon spear]

No you are right,but we all love to match make that's how you meet other gamers

[balmy finch]

i also like to get stuff done

[neon spear]

Facts

[mighty tartan]

The pug life

Dem’s the breaks

[balmy finch]

I FIGURED OUT HOW THE NEMESIS SKILL PICKING WORKS

if you have a regular skill itll copy it

if you have a reviver hive itll copy a restorer

if you have any shield or pulse, or no skill at all, it will pick a randomized skill

[mighty tartan]

Good thing I like decoy

[balmy finch]

Sometimes you just don't get the skills you want so it's nice to know the safe to gets and the not so safe to gets

[mighty tartan]

Yeah huehaheuheahg

[nocturne hedge]

i had foam and decoy, nemesis had foam and shock trap

(i have a screen shot of it)

[rustic bough]

someone just said to me Extra + Optimist is terrible 💀

bro hasn't heard about the Model 700

[twin geyser]

I bet these were people, who pick hard rooms before nemesis all the time

[timid mauve]

It's a fun mode that waiting for you to discover different play styles.

[rustic bough]

isn't that the way though

easy rooms = L

[twin geyser]

If you plan to have long run, I see no need to torture yourself before loop 25, where you'll enjoy hard rooms all the time 💀👍

[rustic bough]

but hard rooms = more currency gain = max out loadouts faster

[raven lagoon]

I prefer easy/med rooms just so I don't have to deal with the double waves of loop 6, lol.

[twin geyser]

The difference in currency isn't THAT big to constantly push yourself into hard rooms

[raven lagoon]

who really need the extra currency anyways? I mean, who doesn't always have an extra 2k or so by the time they hit nem, even when doing easy rooms?

i guess if you're someone who loves to reroll those talents shrug

[rustic bough]

2k is what, 5 rerolls

peasant numbers

you never know when you'll get punched in the face by RNG

and having to spend 20k currency in rerolls

[raven lagoon]

never go to a casino....please....

[rustic bough]

never gamble

period

[nocturne hedge]

this game mode made me realize i should never gamble

[raven lagoon]

lol

"I've had 8 bad rerolls, but the next just HAS to be better right? ok, 9 bad rerolls....but the NEXT one just HAAAAAAAAAS to be better!"

[nocturne hedge]

just...one...more

[humble halo]

player gettingthe rolls they want is like farming 🦄

just yesterday i did run had to defeat nemisis with bloodsucker

no exo till loop 5 had to stretch it to one loop to get good rolls

[nocturne hedge]

yeah bloodsucker doesnt help with nemesis, or any 1v1s

[balmy finch]

So decoy is uncopyable

[nocturne hedge]

It is, ive had other instances where it was used

[balmy finch]

Are you sure it wasn't just chance

[mighty tartan]

Got kicked to the descent lobby again yesterday

While I was finishing an arena

I don’t know what triggers it

But it’s always with a group

[mighty tartan]

You don’t need any hard rooms to fight nemesis

Just some key talents and weapons

It’s just like summit. Sure, you can play in legendary, but you can grind faster setting it to heroic or challenge as an opportunity cost

[rustic bough]

I mean yeah you can play it however you want.

[balmy finch]

no?

harder enemies = die faster

easier enemies = nemesis quicker

if you die at nemesis because you didnt have a good enough loadout thats a skill issue

credits dont fix a skill issue

[rustic bough]

But if youre going for long runs then it doesn't matter

Nemesis is irrelevant

[balmy finch]

thats the problem

if long runs it doesnt matter

then why are you picking hard rooms lmao

pick easy rooms

[rustic bough]

Because I like a challenge

If I die in early loops then it's also a skill issue