Siege special attack

[tough jolt]

Make siege have a “fire” attack instead of skill/smite/combo. Wherever it hits it leaves a fire spot on the map and troops that stand in it or walk over it take burning damage. 🔥

[strong dune]

[stable jay]

[strong dune]

[stable jay]

[alpine bone]

For like a certain amount of time?

[tough jolt]

Yes, it would be needed for balance of course. I don’t know how timing should / would work but I think it would make a fun twist on siege

If you had it leave an impact spot that lasted for something like three seconds, and then if a troop went over it they would burn for two seconds then the troop could take at most 4 ticks of damage

Make it so that it can’t stack either

So if you walked over one impact spot and got the burning effect, you could walk over others without it getting trigger again until your first burning effect of 2 seconds ended

It also plays into the sort of siege launching fire history narrative, although it was less common in real life than they make it seem in movies

[strong dune]

Right okay but if you wanna do that, naturally you would need a counterpart

Like gaining rage slowlier

Or reducing basic attack speed which would pretty much have the same effect

Maybe this could be added as part of a commanders skill or something

[tough jolt]

I was thinking the same thing

I can imagine a qsh type of rage consumption working

[torn kraken]

[proven wadi]

stop trying to make siege happen, it's not going to happen

[tough jolt]

You should stop talking

[proven wadi]

nah im good

[ruby hawk]

Nerf QSH and STP then 😅

[shrewd galleon]

They already gain rage slower than others. There's zero rage generation in talents. Which is kinda funny. (I don't count talents Siege need to be hit to generate rage because at that point you're more likely losing.)

It should or could be part of a skill. A circular aoe that just adds a dot tick in an area around the target. However, this seems like an overly produced skill. It could just hit five targets and deal damage over time. 🤷

I'm all for getting new things for what I main but Engineering's biggest hurdle isn't damage, commanders, or even synergy, but it's inability to participate in the standard ebb and flow of battlefield movement. It has the most uphill battle for participation unlike it's competitors.

[ruby hawk]

Just give Engineering a shifter formation with shorter range but the ability to fire while moving like they have in Shifting Gears, Keener Blades and Troy KvK’s just without the added march speed that Troy offers. Make sure there is no auto attack in this mode so there’s still some benefit to the V formation over shifter

[shrewd galleon]

Yeah, that's all we need. I wouldn't even expect our actives to deal 100% DF even in shifter, I'd still be fine with the 50% reduction if we have shifter.

[proven wadi]

No lol, the entire point was to power creep siege out of being obnoxious af

[ruby hawk]

So now it’s time to power creep archers out of being obnoxious af 😮‍💨👍

[ruby hawk]

That’s true. Ultimately they need to do something for ranged skill damage as V formation only buffs Gajah/cordoba and basically gives the middle finger to all other engineering commanders

[proven wadi]

Archers have literally 1 single good commander, calm down.

[ruby hawk]

So do siege. And it’s only a fraction of the output. See the hypocrisy?

[shrewd galleon]

I'd love only having a QSH as siege. Wtf 😂
That guy equals most of the engineering roster.

[proven wadi]

You really do not understand how insanely unpopular fighting with and against siege is do you.

They power crept it to stop people mass quitting over it and made sure to never put out another strong siege commander as a result.

Siege being weaker now than at its peak is a very deliberate feature, not a bug.
It's also still heavily used, so it's clearly not just bad.

[ruby hawk]

The reverse could be said.. there’s a whole community of people for which the addition of siege kept us from quitting 😮‍💨. Personally I rage dismantled my Cav gear when Beli prime was announced (another single target Cav) and deleted the game. Someone reached out to me on DC and said to give siege a chance before quitting. Here I am almost 2 years later still playing. The in and out in dot mode is so boring. Thank God for army groups recently added.

I haven’t seen anyone quit over siege 😂. The biggest “quit” factors I’ve seen are Pilots and frustration to keep up without dumping tens of thousands in the game.

[ruby hawk]

There is a skill in Keener Blades that turns ranged basic attacks into mini QSH hits only with 3 targets.

[mild folio]

Yet only one used is the one to hit structures to reduce durability

[shrewd galleon]

Yeah, problem is it's tucked away in a specific KvK story I have yet to play and likely won't play. What is a major annoyance is that really nice QoL or interesting mechanical things that could be neat skills even, are mostly out of reach for us.