Buff old commanders and bring them to near or at meta level.

[dull egret]

im genuinely tired of seeing the same 3 pairs every ball fight, like qsh/zl, bq/lc, and ach/gg. deeper commander variations would make the game more fun and exciting. instead of doing more work to release new commanders, the devs should revise and reuse old ones so the game doesnt revolve around only 3 pairs of commanders. i genuinely dont see the problem with this idea, so if any of you guys disagree im open to have a talk

[viral rover]

Because what's the point of a new meta if the old meta is pretty much at the same level

[full vine]

Programmed obsolecense ensure new/returning player can ever catch up

[dull egret]

old meta gets outclassed easily

[willow latch]

Would be horrid for new players

[dull egret]

exp nev/joan does bad against low investment commanders like stp/bq

[dull egret]

how?

[willow latch]

man is actually dumb

[viral rover]

thats the whle point

you're not meant to be able to run the same commanders for 10 years and be fine

[willow latch]

how would buffing commanders that new players don't have to the point of being meta again be good for new players

[dull egret]

so it needs a bit buff

[willow latch]

Hmm I wonder

[dull egret]

not that but my point is it is boring to see the same pairs

[viral rover]

no it doesnt, it needs u to invest in the current meta

[willow latch]

We also need to define old

[viral rover]

well i mean thats just how it is for the most part i mean

[willow latch]

We talking Ram/Khan/sala old

or like scippy old?

[dull egret]

scippy

[willow latch]

What new player today has scp max?

This would just be blatant catering

[dull egret]

no one

but thing is

[willow latch]

So you want to make commanders you have good again, you probably just came back to the game

[dull egret]

seeing more commanders in fights than just like sun tzu prime qsh and gg would be nice

[willow latch]

By all means run other stuff

[full vine]

Thing is you care about your personnal feeling but not new players. Aka you want the game dead for no factual reason

[willow latch]

I'll take the free kp

[dull egret]

nah i keep up with the meta i started kvk1 and havent quit since

[willow latch]

When was kvk 1 for you 👀

[dull egret]

about 200 days ago

[willow latch]

Such a young player 🤣

In another 1000 days you'll begin to see how older players think

Trust me, you do not want them to buff old commanders to the point of being meta, unless it somehow comes in the form of a new release

Which wouldn't make sense for prime commanders

[dull egret]

or if not that rok should add some museum buff for these commanders to make them atleast somewhat usable

[willow latch]

The point of the game is not to have commanders that are 3 years old be meta

With the exception of YSG or atilla, this holds pretty true

[dull egret]

like what another post suggested

[willow latch]

Museum buffs aren't changing anything

cept for canyon maybe

[dull egret]

it would work somehow if you are running like 7 marches but the buff wouldnt be dramatic

if buffing older commanders arent a good idea then museum would only be the only choice basically

[robust willow]

Bro you don't even have old soc commanders 💀

Why are you suggesting this

You realize this would fuck you over with old accounts being even better right

[dull egret]

my main is a restart my old main is now a farm my farm runs guan/scipio

[robust willow]

Ok so why do you think your farm should be good

[full vine]

"my farm runs X" is a cursed statement

[dull egret]

wym by that

[full vine]

Means you want your farm to be relevant with a change that would nuke your main

And by relevant i mean useless with a single march and probably no cristal tech

[willow latch]

Bro just wants his old account to be "relevant"

[dull egret]

honestly my main point is to see different commanders in fights and not just 3 pairs of the same thing

[willow latch]

Uh run more than 3 marches 🤣

[full vine]

We do understand your point. Do you listen to ours ? You would seriously imbalance the game

[willow latch]

They could just solve this by further increasing the release cycle speed

But then you'd cry too

[dull egret]

its merely a suggestion and not a demand

i get your point

[willow latch]

It's a bad suggestion

[full vine]

And we merely explain to you why its a bad suggestion

[willow latch]

I can't see any rational reason why this would be good

And I don't think you can offer one

Besides "my farm runs guan/scippy"

[dull egret]

the more i think about it the more it doesnt make sense

old players would still go face to face with new players if older commanders were revised

it would only make the game more fun and competitive rsther than newer players getting cooked

expertise or not, thats why i said "bring them near or at meta level"

i didnt explicitly say it should be meta level

[willow latch]

And this is the problem

Because now new players have to invest in current meta, and the meta stuff you'd bring back

Which is why this whole idea is completely braindead

And I don't see how anyone with a brain thinks this could/would be good

[dull egret]

you do know that some commanders do perform better or worse than others right? even if it is meta.

[willow latch]

Backwards investment has and will always be stupid

[willow latch]

They are all much of a muchness

[dull egret]

there isnt a single commander who tops over all

thats how the game stays balanced

[willow latch]

Err, qsh begs to differ

(that's beside the point though)

[dull egret]

i seen reports stp can defeat qsh

qsh and stp can go face to face thoiugh

[willow latch]

I was doing 1m sev reports in altar with qsh with bad crystal tech

650k field reports

[dull egret]

did you face any sun tzu prime players?

im sure the report would be 1:1

[willow latch]

SunP has never done anything like that for a vast majority of players

[dull egret]

thiugh i never got the chance to fight either stp yet

[willow latch]

this isn't duels

This has devolved into off topic

[dull egret]

i was mentioning ball fightsfightd

[willow latch]

Not going to argue with a new player who doesn't see why their suggestion is dumb as heck

[dull egret]

as in if the qsh and stp reports have any difference in reports in ball dights

[dull egret]

feel free to have your opinion then i guess

[full vine]

Bro, you just had a bad opinion, but now you are spreading misinformation. Sun is not even close to QSH level. Dont go and parroting hype speech of youtubers

[willow latch]

This can't be real

Even the hyper of commanders unhype Chadski doesn't go this far

[full vine]

actually he is the very one that started saying "QSH power level" regarding Sun

but anyone with 2 brain cells understand his personna is all about overhyping shit, cause youtube is all about overhyping shit

[lofty lake]

If all commanders are equally usable, all commanders/gold heads are completely worthless

[lofty lake]

My cav reports are all better than both of them so....

Contrary to popular belief, it absolutely is possible so set up your account to for what troop type you want, and play style matters a whole lot.

[dull egret]

well i definitely didnt think this out throughly

you guys definitely have a point

[cerulean fern]

My problem with this is wording, what does near meta mean. Yes I do think when a museum buff comes out it should make that commander useable, it shouldnt be so far out of he meta you are instantly crushed the second something touches it, but problem if they make them too good, then makes less reason for people to invest in new commanders. I just think they need to slow the power creep. Obviously it needs to happen to keep progression, but sometimes the jumps are way too big.

[dull egret]

well atleast you said it for me..

[radiant kettle]

Lol Lilith create power creep to earn money

[nimble dune]

There are more than those 3 arthur hector. Sun prime wallace you can have Phillip march. Ysg is old and you see him a lot. Variation 2 is for people that skip Wallace.
LC alex sun bq.

Was the belli shajar Wallace generation was skipped mostly for being so niche so that will probably never happen again

[crisp adder]

nah just buff dragon lancer to be the strongest commander in game

[dull egret]

You guys are wrong

Scip and Joan prime MAY get a meta buff

[lofty lake]

🤣 🤡

[viral rover]

Meta was definitely a stretch