Resource prices and Spenders

[brittle field]

the resource prices in RoK are ridiculous. Most bundles aren’t even worth buying—you dump money and get barely anything useful. Playing without constantly getting resources feels totally useless, especially for whales in Imperiums who actually want to stay competitive. F2P or casual players just grind forever while spenders zoom ahead like it’s nothing. The gap between spenders and non-spenders is insane, and honestly it makes the game feel more like a cash grab than a strategy game. It’s annoying how even small stuff requires paying, and the devs keep making it worse with every new bundle. At this point, it feels like you can’t enjoy the game at all unless you spend heavily. There are alot of whale who are basically quiting on simple stupid stuff like match making and some silly stuff rok should start improving by first Matchmaking which is basically why almost all imperium kingsom died and second which is important its the rss you are banning people who gathers rss while you aren't checking how your bundle is a complete scam wont even finish an hour fight please make either rss very cheap either ways will need speedups or make rss basically free anyways we need speedups to figh

[rain hearth]

True story 💯

[slate portal]

I mean the game’s been a cash grab from the get-go

[brittle field]

Rok gonna die if it stays like this

[flint seal]

This game has always been predatory.
Carrot dangle.
Carrot moved.
Carrot dangle.

My new way to play the game is look at the new bundles, the shop, new commanders, and go "Haha. No." 😁

[brittle field]

[languid herald]

I mean, we players wanted kvk cycles faster, and less time between kvks... and now you guys ask for rss. 🥲

So basically devs be like...
"NO, you guys asked for less recovery time, now if you're not recovering fast enough that's your problem. We gave you higher leveled tiles, barbs and forts in home kd to help y'all and now this." 😅

[hasty ferry]

They should just make a reliable way of acquiring resources so people don’t have to resort to rss botting or buying from 3rd party sellers.

Banning thousands of botted accounts won’t do anything to fix the core issue which is in the game design.

[zealous vault]

Make resource prices acceptable then blanket ban all RSS sellers

[glacial nimbus]

If they just make 1b each $20 they make profit

Like everyone will choose to purchase through Lilith cause no transfer time, no ban. They just need to make it a comparable price

You bout to talk yourself into a dkp bonus fr fr

[zealous vault]

[lofty bison]

In Lilith's dreams what they thought would happen when they banned bot accounts is people would shrug and go "Darn all my accounts got banned. Guess I'll just spend $3000 on rss bundles every kvk".

[rain hearth]

Bruh
If you really fighting in kvk 1-2 extra weeks in offseason won’t save you. Even a month. You technically can’t farm enough without using bot, lots of accounts and buying from sellers. Game mechanics won’t allow you, easy. People were forced to find solutions

[hasty ferry]

Yes, only issue is that rss management wont be a limitation for kds anymore. But they could easily fix this by implementing a system similar to the credits u get in tides where amount of rss available for sale is related to amount of rss farmed or a similar metric.

[zealous vault]

If Lilith enforced their TOS, people would refuse to break it, and they would riot about the ridiculous prices really quick

[languid herald]

Then the gap between p2w and f2p go wider only.

Cheap rss? = heaven for spenders.

Heaven for spenders only = hell for f2p.

Cheap rss... spenders be like... here's $100 , I'm now instantly 2 months ahead of a f2p

[zealous vault]

In the past they floated the idea of capping trading post transfers per week, sometimes they got really aggressive with RSS reclaims, and they were vague about what farm accounts are allowed to do. They realized it was futile to constantly be aggressive towards the playerbase, who mostly wanted to play longer. They could take a huge cut of what sellers are making by lowering prices to be competitive. To kill sellers will probably kill farm grinders, and those players wont end up giving money to Lilith because they grind to avoid spending so much in the first place.

[languid herald]

There are other easier ways to kill sellers. But this... just widens the gap imo

I mean, i have a solution in my small fatty brain, that works for lilith, works for f2p, and works for spenders. But i don't think everyone will like it, so i don't wanna step in. 🫠

[hasty ferry]

What is your solution then? Whales won’t spend 8hrs of their day farming rss so they will always resort to buying.

[torpid wing]

hi twin

[blissful socket]

if they start selling rss for 1b each for 20 bucks they will make tens of thousands a month just from rss

[languid herald]

Encourage sellers. Make it legal. 😅 works for spenders, works for f2p to sell it.

What's in it for lilith? Lilith can make it compulsory that the transfer is done using flux only instead of real money. So indirectly the money will stay within lilith's reach. F2p will be able to sell and not be f2p anymore without spending money. 😅

Lilith already took a couple of steps. 1. They made transportation limit from 5M/cart to 10M/cart... and 2. They're thinking to make account trading legal.

This is just one additional step to solve that problem.

[hasty ferry]

Then you’d have the issue of converting flux in to real life money. Which would create a 3rd party market for that….

90%+ of sellers don’t play the game man please realize this

[languid herald]

Lilith needs to ban that. Not our problem

[hasty ferry]

@languid herald

[lofty bison]

this will never happen. The only reason sellers even exist is because they make a substantial amount of money from it.

[zealous vault]

Third parties can't be encouraged until you have trusted 3rd party like Wontrade to cut the scams

[lofty bison]

tale that away and sellers will quit

[languid herald]

Okay then... let it happen. 😅

Let lilith hear you, and make the gap wider.

Idc... i pack my bags and go. I ain't spending for rss either way as an f2p or p2w. 😅

[zealous vault]

We're getting daily spam mails from bots in alliance mail

to sell accounts

Maybe this game has a problem

[hasty ferry]

Also how would they make it compulsory? It’s already against TOS to sell. If they can’t control that already they have no way of making it compulsory??

[lofty bison]

it does, and Lilith is too afraid to do anything major about it

[languid herald]

If someone's trade post limit 500M (or whatever) reaches, and the flux has not been sent, lilith can insta ban.

But why you asking me bro 😅 that's lilith's problem

[hasty ferry]

Hey they’ve banned 10k+ accounts probably so they are doing something tbf 😂😂

[zealous vault]

Oasis Bazaar uses Clamyks instead of trading flux, and the money goes to Lilith instead of sellers. Sellers want money to eat though. They aren't doing this to get 1050 gems per week

[hasty ferry]

I don’t think you understand how selling in this game plays out. Flux isn’t a real world currency and the absolute majority of sellers sell because of real world monetary gain. Lilith has no way of enforcing fluxes to be the only way of payment

[languid herald]

Increasing that 1050 helps too. But not entirely

[languid herald]

Then impose tradepost limit. Again, that's not our problem

[hasty ferry]

It is because if you do the trade post limit you are suggesting 99% of sellers would quit overnight

Why would they sell if they can’t realize their gain??

[lofty bison]

If sellers quit, then krakens and heavy fighters can't get their rss cheap, meaning the krakens and heavy fighters quit.
Literally all Lilith has to do is undercut sellers, and the problem is solved, but for some reason they won't do that.

[zealous vault]

btw any time you put hard limits on transfer, the whales who stacked 40B each on the old system get to carry out that advantage for several KvKs

[zealous vault]

this

[languid herald]

Idk bro... that's not my idea. 😅
My original idea is to encourage it. Remember

Idk however lilith wants to do it , it's not our problem guys

[hasty ferry]

Dude…. If sellers can’t realize their gain into real world money, which they wouldn’t be able to with your suggestion, then they will quit. Hence why your solution won’t work

[languid herald]

Oh good, they'll quit. That solves our problem

[lusty wedge]

That kills the game

[hasty ferry]

Then no rss for the whales, and no fights, and no game. This solves the problem yes??

Smart man

[languid herald]

F2ps can start selling. That's encouraging is.

[plush thunder]

Nobody will do that

[hasty ferry]

💀

[plush thunder]

F2ps don't have 70B RSS in top imperium's

Do u realize how heavy people go when fights come around dude?

[hasty ferry]

F2ps would be better off getting a job and spending money that way lmao

[plush thunder]

Correct ✌️

[languid herald]

Talk to me in Karen tone of yours and i ignore you and let it happen what you suggested.

Idc if they hear you. You're suggesting something that kills the game too

[plush thunder]

Also out of curiosity

If f2p start selling as u said what's the difference between those and actual RSS sellers?

[hasty ferry]

How will official selling from rss kill the game? Please elaborate

[hasty ferry]

F2P would be paid in fluxes 😭✌🏽

[zealous vault]

The game isn't suddenly worth money if they set RSS prices lower.

[plush thunder]

😭

[languid herald]

If you cheap buy few months of rss in seconds, you'll be months away from f2p every cheap purchase .

All f2ps will quit

[zealous vault]

What, isn't that what spenders already do?

[plush thunder]

It is

[hasty ferry]

It is

[plush thunder]

What ✌️

[languid herald]

And this is to encourage it more

[plush thunder]

Lowering actual RSS prices in game below sellers would not change anything, krakens and whales will still buy, Lilith would just get more money

[hasty ferry]

All spenders already do it in one way or the other. So what will be the difference?

[flint seal]

If they don't like bots and rss sellers they need to choke out the demand for them and starve the market. That means making us not reliant on them.

They're smart enough to make the game they should figure this one out.

[zealous vault]

F2Ps keep playing today, knowing they are against whales who put a couple hundred into RSS and think nothing of it. The whales who happen to get 2x-3x resource economy due to heal cost reduction techs and stacked advantages

[plush thunder]

And whales and krakens may buy even more since the stock would be rather infinite, more money for Lilith as a whole, and low spenders would even be able to afford buying insane amounts of RSS since the price is lower, imo this would just push the fighting bar up since RSS would stop being a problem in a general note, so in my eyes it would just make everything better for everyone

I legit don't see how getting Lilith to make RSS purchasing in game cheaper than RSS sellers could be a bad thing, whales would have infinite RSS but most already kinda do if we're honest

[zealous vault]

How many KvKs are truly a war of attrition where everyone is running RSS to 0. It's hard to get a KVK that good

[flint seal]

It's not about supply alone but also demand. If you can supply yourself relatively simply, or at least mostly, the demand can drop. If also the requirements spent being reduced also impact the demand.

Why would you buy rss in massive quantities when you wouldn't need to do so?

[lofty bison]

All of this arguing started because @languid herald is a f2p noob who's mad that whales are getting ahead by spending, keep that in mind y'all. You are arguing with someone who legitimately has no idea what they are talking about

[plush thunder]

[hasty ferry]

😭🙏🏽

[zealous vault]

I think supply is limited in Oasis Bazaar... maybe? Also RSS will be painful for grinders as long as trading post is small and it takes 5h+ to transfer. Sellers are willing to deal with this, but it eats into time and energy for TOS followers

[languid herald]

I'm not f2p bro...

And yeah, i ignore this anymore. Let it happen.

See how every f2p quits. 🫠
Because y'all are insulting foul mouths

[zealous vault]

#KillF2P

[languid herald]

It works for me. Idc. ✌️

Let it happen

[zealous vault]

[plush thunder]

Afaik supply Bazar is based on what other players sell so theoricslly it is limited

[flint seal]

Oasis Bazaar is just the Trade system we have but Lilith genius in the fact they now collect the tax in real money. 😂

[plush thunder]

Oasis could work if prices were below rss sellers actually, they wouldn't be infinite, whales can't get unlimited stuff and people can still survive with it

But I do believe it would have to get greatly boosted, keep in mind them accounts in imp KD spend 20B+ a kvk, that per account (or even more than 20), it's a lot, I'm not sure Bazar would have enough resources as a whole to maintain them tbf

You need a way bigger source of RSS for the whales

[flint seal]

What if they adjusted rss consumption and gathering rates to be somewhat harmonious rather than at ever widening odds than wedging themselves in between the sources costing them money and us so they can squeeze out a few nickels and dimes? 😛

[raven pecan]

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[rancid hill]

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