Trying to fix piloting by NOT actually fixing piloting

[candid wren]

this thread just hit 1k comments is crazy

[obsidian willow]

Gotta get agooose and Leo to protest outside Lilith HQ tomorrow

[narrow sluice]

here is a thread made by a popular content creator, the poll in King's Codex is def more neutral in that sense

[fading ember]

and there is a poll made by a popular community figure

what are you trying to say

[narrow sluice]

You assuming that community would attack anyone selection "Other options"

[craggy forum]

Unlimited rss for everyone

[narrow sluice]

You surely familiar with the comm and you know how fair things go

[fading ember]

That's what it suggests from the title of the other options

[wanton elm]

do people really have a problem with this

[narrow sluice]

it literally granulates the options to the max for less bias

[fading ember]

Regardless where it's done or who hosts it's irrelevant data because people are defiantly lying one way or another about how long they play or if they use or not.

The only valid statitical numbers has to be provided from a API or the developers themselves

[narrow sluice]

EPG Piloting peeps are always around in King's Codex discord, there 0 animosity towards pilots, piloting, or using it

[fair light]

there is a stigma

to openly admitting you use them

[wanton elm]

people commonly trade rss and admit it

[lethal mauve]

There’s a stigma to openly admitting you use them outside IMP and A seeds lol. Everyone already assumes you use them in higher seeds

[civic finch]

m

[sweet drift]

Absolutely

[fresh eagle]

How is the situation? It seems like Lilith is making the players unhappy about this experiment.

[wanton elm]

its the very obvious piloters complaining

this doesnt stop select piloters it basically stops it all

whos in wars 16 hours anyways

[timber shard]

Why can't they limit an account to 2 devices and put a cooldown of 48 hours on how often you can change the authorised devices?

[craggy forum]

48h... monthly easy 😄

[timber shard]

my pilot would hate that

[steady dagger]

Lmao

[craggy forum]

remote controll... soo its doesnt matter cannot get rig of all pilots anyway 😄

[timber shard]

Let's just go PvE

[fresh eagle]

As you know, this kind of thing shouldn't happen because it causes problems for the kingdoms that have been fighting for 2-3 days.

Don't even mention A seeds. Even C or D seeds can fight for 2-3 days.

[wanton elm]

how it normal to be on the game for 16h straight its only for 1 day too

it resets

[fresh eagle]

The answer is quite clear now. Waiting for Lilith's answer on what to do.

[wanton elm]

this only affects the small amount of passionate players that do fight over 16hrs a day

and the other part of people who actually use pilots

[fresh eagle]

The kingdom leader probably wouldn't like this because he was always watching the flag in battle.

[wanton elm]

it affects all sides

[fading ember]

There are some kvks that drag to about 2-4 days worth for a zone. It’s practically impossible to stop for 8h straight for a reset unless you want to lose massive territory.

Last kvk our zone 4 was about 3 days non stop in lower seeding.

[wanton elm]

fights were that long sure but individuals swap in and out majority dont play 16hrs plus regardless

[craggy forum]

nah i hate chaining 🙁 better make unlimited rss and lets people grind speedups 😛

[wanton elm]

its not an alliance wide fighting cooldown

this will definitely impact imp and high A seed most definitely considering like 99% of them use pilots

[fresh eagle]

Let's get it back to normal and improve the KVK matching.

[narrow sluice]

This

[flat storm]

at least...

[fading ember]

Who exactly is supposed to swap in? Low seed you only have 40 guys typically. All those 40 are already on in the initial zoning opening.

[wanton elm]

you cant tell me in low seed 40 of them are on for 16 hours

[fading ember]

You’d have to tell half or a good chunk to save their frenzy sit.

[wanton elm]

does the frenzy reset on reset did they say

[craggy forum]

stíll its 16h war frenzy not 16h gameplay

[fading ember]

No

[wanton elm]

^

yikes

[steady dagger]

So enlighten me on this one then

[fading ember]

It’s constant 16h stacking until you take a break for 8h then it rests back to ur 16h limit

Reset does not clear it

[steady dagger]

If I don't take a break of at least 8 hours and my war frenzy keeps popping on for 16 hours in a row it'll stack up and I will eventually be forced to take a 8h break right?

[fading ember]

Yes

That’s the current understanding of their mail

[craggy forum]

yes and you are not gonna be 16h whole time in warfrenzy (lilith can make decrease war frenzy CD too) soo we sill dont know realtime of for how long you gona be online to spend all 16h war frenzy

[steady dagger]

Had understood it correctly then, so people who don't take full 8 hour breaks are so fucked if they're in kvk with war frenzy on and off all the time lol

[wanton elm]

they give you time to sleep lol

lilith cares

💕

[steady dagger]

They could send me 10% of their profit 💕

But anyway

[fresh eagle]

If I press green, does that mean I don't agree with this?

[wanton elm]

anything that fucks piloting is good in my book

[steady dagger]

For what I understand those 16 would be stacking up throughout days unless u take a 8 hour break

[steady dagger]

It means u agree with what chadski said

Originally

[craggy forum]

yeah but if you are not rally/garrison leader its propably gona by mutch harder to fill 16h war frenzy anyway soo if war frenzy gona be 16h but you gona fill it after 24-36h (noone know for now) that can be something else soo will be good see some testing for sure

[narrow sluice]

huh

wth

hell no

[steady dagger]

That seems to be what's gonna happen

[flat storm]

are you good with anything that fucks the game?

[wanton elm]

??

[steady dagger]

But u would need to have war frenzy deactivated for 8 hours, so a NAP for a day (non aggression pact) would fix it

[narrow sluice]

each time you in war frenzy it nibbles from your 16h stock, once you use 16h of active warfrenzy then its dead. 16h of war frenzy is around 20 hours of active fighting time

[wanton elm]

it doesnt affect me i dont fight for 16 hours straight

[steady dagger]

Yeah will be good to see what happens ig, up to Lilith after all

[narrow sluice]

the understanding of having 8h mandatory is weird

and makes no sense

[flat storm]

thats the spirit..when the revenue is not the same for them lets see how much time will ROK continue to be playable

[narrow sluice]

its 8h hours of non-frenzy, split as you want

[sweet drift]

8 hour temporary peace agreement

[craggy forum]

for now we just know about 16h war frenzy but dont know how many time we need to fill that

[wanton elm]

did crystal tech kill the game

[fresh eagle]

Why make a fighting game if you're going to limit the time of the fights?

[steady dagger]

Yes but if u activate war frenzy every 7 hours u will eventually hit a wall and won't be able to activate it again after u reach the 16h war frenzy for what we have so far

[flat storm]

really? that brought more spending...this will decrease spending ...

do you think the big whales will continue to spend like they do now?

[wanton elm]

idk people were saying it would kill the game just as you are saying with this change

[flat storm]

lol

[wanton elm]

those big whales will play regardless

or move to call of dragons

[flat storm]

move to call of dragons? lol

[steady dagger]

That's what those who upvoted this such as myself wanna know 🤌

[flat storm]

sure thing where you already have the cooldown

[fresh eagle]

It's better for people to stop playing because of this than to make the game worse.

[craggy forum]

they can make some balance too for 1h non fight get 30min war frenzy deleted too what why they wana testing propably we will see... maybe 😄

[fading ember]

If the devs provided the data to back up this change then would have no issues with it at all as someone who genuine stays up 24h, but they did not do that so ppl will have issues with it. You just need to trigger war frenzy 64 times in a day to reach the cap limit without triggering it within a 8h time frame, so no poking, no killing swarmers, no situational attacking, no hitting returning marches from city rallies or regular rallies on structures, no teleporting in on a good kill, nothing. This forces people to be more manageable of how they field and attack the enemy.

[craggy forum]

do you read chadski message?

[steady dagger]

See something like that would be a decent addition if they pull through besides everything

[flat storm]

i would say that he did not!

[wanton elm]

oh shit

[wanton elm]

its a coincidence he mentioned call of dragons actually! i didn't realize he would.

i didn't read all

[steady dagger]

I do think the plain 8 hour wall is a trash way to do this tho tbh

[craggy forum]

or reduce warfrenzy CD can help too to fill 16h warfrenzy slower if you gona refresh, teleportinng or something else

[fresh eagle]

Now they will test it, if the majority doesn't agree then just remove it.

[wanton elm]

would refreshing the cooldown on reset make it any better

[steady dagger]

I don't think I quite understand this one, could u please elaborate a bit?

[wanton elm]

nvm

[fading ember]

I would have no issues with this if that was the case.

[craggy forum]

when you attack someone you have cooldown before warfrenzy is deleted soo you propably gona getting time to 16h limit and lilith can decrease that cooldown propably

[steady dagger]

Oh that yeah maybe

Thing is, this seems like a horrendous change for the reason we're being given it, and the way we're being given it

[craggy forum]

its can be balanced in maybe ways soo we will see after testing what lilith really want 😄

[fresh eagle]

Do you think he will remove it or test it?

[narrow sluice]

you should try it to judge it

[steady dagger]

It's not gonna stop piloting and it's gonna be horrendous having to stay 8 hours sitting around if the cap of WF were to be hit, they can tweak things around and maybe just maybe make something work but with other reasons, if they said it is for the players health and it would be executed some other way it would be a whole different story

[fresh eagle]

Hot issue even before the experiment

[fading ember]

I don't see enough backlash for them to remove it. So it's more likely it will stay in the game and change a bit, but it's def staying at the current consensus of the community.

[narrow sluice]

issue isn't defined yet, all we discussing is a mail

and interpretations

[steady dagger]

Did they ever try to do the pre kvk in kvk map or did they back down from that one without actually testing?

[narrow sluice]

Ive read they did it already

forgot which kds

[steady dagger]

They may pull back from this one as a lot of people including spenders are pissed

[steady dagger]

Then what I was gonna say wouldn't be accurate alright

[craggy forum]

The more I read, the more I think so, because pilots will only stay for a slightly shorter period of time. Let's say you fill 16 hours of war frenzy with normal playing in 24 hours or more. that would basically mean that the account owner would have to think about whether they really want a pilot who will play while they sleep and when they wake up, they will be in rest mode, or not...

[narrow sluice]

well I totally agree the prekvk being done like that is neither pleasing spenders or leadership or f2ps or anyone

[steady dagger]

My point was that I believed they backed down without trying because of the community discontent

[fresh eagle]

It's better to wait for the email. Now it's time to express your opinion whether you agree or not.

[steady dagger]

But that doesn't seem to be the case

[steady dagger]

You have a point on that one, but it also means war frenzy will get activated a lot less, fights would be a lot more... Planned and overall there'd be less killing

[narrow sluice]

lol yes but I'm not making a final statement over a mail

[steady dagger]

It's a double edge sword to be honest

[fading ember]

This is the main issue with the developers of this game they are never transparent with details for major changes and it leads to arugements and discussions because of this. It's totally preventable at every corner but it always leave us saying wait till it's in the game to see if it's bad or not, or wait till they release more wording.

7 years straight of this bull shit

of non-transparency

[narrow sluice]

soon 8

[sweet drift]

See how bad the implementatiom of the "watchlist" feature was

then apply it to this

[fresh eagle]

Yes, it would definitely not be good if the top players spoke up themselves, like what happened last time.

[narrow sluice]

lol yes

expect 1, get 2

same applies here

you'd never know what Lilith is prepping

[fresh eagle]

Every answer will have consequences depending on how it is resolved.

[reef vigil]

I think a viable way to fix the pilot problem (without working out the logistics to ban pilots) and without this rest mechanic is just have better matchmaking.

1. Everyone benefits because we all want this
2. If a KD is heavy on using pilots then they will get weighted higher in the matchmaking system as in theory the reason people don’t like the pilots is people have used them to fight better / longer / etc. So by default you no longer are matching KDs that appear to be the same strength against each other (except one KD uses pilots so it’s uneven) so the pain felt by pilots is way less 🤷‍♂️

[rain nebula]

yep

[slender ice]

what does matchmaking have to do with pilots

any high seed/imperium kvk has atleast 50% of players using a pilot/sharing account

So if you dont use pilots you will have to join a different kingdom?

[bleak abyss]

crazy that I still see so many people saying that locking to a device will fix piloting, have people seriously never heard about teamviewer?

[slender ice]

Is there anyone here who actually fights with war frenzy for more than 16 hours a day without using pilots? Without lying?

[blazing wharf]

Pretty much, imp/a seed kvks are meant to be competitive and extreme, if you cant keep up fighting for 18hrs+ or cant afford a pilot you really shouldn’t be in those type of kvks

[fresh eagle]

This means that if you don't fight as hard as your pilots, you can move to a new kingdom, because the kingdom with the most pilots is the one that fights the hardest. You just need to be in the right place.

[narrow sluice]

why fighting harder than pilots when they can fight hard already

[fresh eagle]

Yes haha

[fresh eagle]

You just have to find the right KD for you, not blame them for using pilots.

You are in a highly competitive KD, that is what you need to know, the fight will definitely not be less than 16 hours.

Seed A wins in 16 hours, I have never seen that before, even C seed can't win in 16 hours unless they meet Farm.

[narrow sluice]

18*

18 hours

16 is not crazy

if 16 was enough Chadski wouldn't complain

because 16 is exactly the hours you get

[narrow sluice]

But I was answering this

[fresh eagle]

Being in a highly competitive KD is about accepting it, not blaming it on others.

[narrow sluice]

you said if you don't fight as hard as your pilots

why id fight if I can fully lean on pilot

why the 50/50

I can aim for a 70/30 of this

and only be myself piloting my account third the time

[fresh eagle]

I mean, it's a very difficult fight and takes a lot of time in a highly competitive KD, which means that if you have a pilot, you're going to fight even harder.

[narrow sluice]

never heard of this logic, Pilots are here to alleviate effort

not make it harder for the one buying the service

[fresh eagle]

I mean like this

The pilot came to your rescue while you were resting.

[fresh eagle]

I don't mean the pilots fight harder than their owners.😆

[wanton elm]

seems kinda true ngl

some guy in chadski's chat justified piloting because some whales can only play like 2 hours

[sweet drift]

Brian Kuh put up a good response to the video

[narrow sluice]

https://discord.com/channels/474739462589382667/1431043174092116098

[wanton elm]

pretty good vid

[wanton dagger]

how is it biased isnt it just called having an opinion?

[wanton dagger]

if u think an emoji is stopping people from voting for their preferred option then ur just delusional plus its a riot emoji for a “revert change” option its completely appropriate

[fading ember]

It wasn't the emoji it was the wording

Why would I click on a poll option that says "uses pilots"

[tulip olive]

I fully expect Lilith to read all 1200 comments 🤣

I think an IP and device ID restriction is not a good solution. I personally play on an iPad and my phone. What would happen if someone's phone breaks and they need a new 1....
A device limit on an account still wouldn't be a proper solution.

The best I could come up with is if RoK tracked locations. If I teleport from the US to Vietnam in 1 hour then that's suspicious, but people can use a VPN to bypass this.

[wanton elm]

true

this change is ok they just need to tweak it a bit

[fading ember]

Well then I apologize for taking it the wrong way. Just see when ppl have to result into calling ppl certain things to make their points as biased towards the side they are suggestively supporting. It's the same for chad when I saw him insulting ppl here and in his YouTube comments, it shows a bit of biased.

also not even sure how you thought it was the emoji, I clearly had that cropped out from that screenshot

[wanton elm]

look at his resources this piloting change will affect him

its hard to deny the use of pilots

this change really only affects 0.1% of the playerbase who plays that extensively

[narrow sluice]

The poll is way more neutral and representative than this thread vote

https://tenor.com/view/change-my-mind-bilal-bilal-göregen-vibincat-busta-heinz-gif-20505794

[sweet drift]

The comments in the Chadski video are also the opposite of the voting sentiment on this thread

[narrow sluice]

Alot of opinionless upvoters driven by group sentiment

[tulip olive]

Wardaddychad goons made this vote bias, only takes 200 subscribers to swing this vote

[hybrid raven]

All of 606 pilots upvoting

[wanton elm]

he said anyone of the downvotes are deadweights

[sweet drift]

They should hire upvoting pilots

[wanton elm]

He's basically saying a player's worth isn't about their talent or how much they spend but about how many hours they can commit a commitment he only manages by hiring other people (pilots) which is pretty funny to me lol

[narrow sluice]

Emotional just like his whole statement

[tulip olive]

YouTubers should have more dignity than to flood discord votes. They have community managers to communicate their thoughts to

[hybrid raven]

As if 606 had 1 fight over 16hrs last kvk. Or the kvk before 😭

[fading ember]

like I said ealier in this thread, any community poll or take will be useless data because you will never get the truth out of people and it's always maniplatiable. I could ask a 100 ppl discord to upvote for example and no one would know the wiser.

[sweet drift]

All data is useful in context

[narrow sluice]

The poll settings and environment people wise couldn't be comparable to chadski's, the community you refer to gathers alot of the concerned pilots themselves.
so I'd take that data for now

You simply cannot discredit the poll with the same arguments we discredit this vote here

[tulip olive]

I'd guarantee Lilith has already been tracking player War Frenzy time, they already know who and how many have exceeded 16 hours. Most accurate place to poll is in game and compare people's war frenzy time with how they voted.

[fading ember]

Will it be valid data if I ask 100-150 ppl to randomly pick on any answer that isnt the most populated consensus already.

after just joining kings codex

I can most certainly apply the same logic

[hybrid raven]

From my personal experience, when you used to have downtime in kvk, it made the zones last a lot longer. Push and pull. Each kingdom makes progress in their respective uptime and they burn in downtime. Now if you have downtime at all you wake up and pilots burned all your territory and kvk is over.

[narrow sluice]

unlikely that it happened either vote or poll.
This said a poll remains a poll made and monitored as numbers are growing this here remains a vote where one can push 50 upvotes and none would question much

[fading ember]

Yeah, but the fact still remains that anyone can manipulate both.

If they wanted to put in the effort if they had enough connections.

[narrow sluice]

Talk about probabilities, as it's all approximations in the end, theres no truth but theres something thats closer

[fading ember]

And if data can be manipulated = it's not valid

[narrow sluice]

As I said its most likely to be manipulated here than there

[fading ember]

Yeah, but you just said earlier that you can't compare this poll to that servers poll manipulation.

[wanton elm]

^

[fading ember]

When just gave you a perfectly valid reason why you could

[wanton elm]

i see differing opinions between different places 1 poll isn't accurate

chadskys new video is full of people in the comments calling it out as more a biased rant

like be honest who is really having 16 hours of straight war frenzy all day

they can tweak it to make it better sure

[sweet drift]

It's hard to vote that you use pilots anyway, because it technically breaks TOS, which biases the poll

[narrow sluice]

Comparing to affirm what's better data to do some thinking yes,
not comparable in neutrality

is the conclusion

like lol

you just stretching it

[wanton elm]

You're just trading one bias for another. A poll in a selective community

try making a poll in the fleish server

i can imagine how the poll will end up lol

[tulip olive]

I want to drink wardaddychad's tears. Lil cry baby is sad because "he" can't play 24 hours straight. Some of us have jobs.
Even if someone does play 24 hours straight, they can't play 48, 72, 96... hours straight. Sir cry baby wardaddychad, tell me how long you can play until you collapse

[narrow sluice]

It's all biased

but something gotta be closer

that's where it goes different, and ends up comparing how it is here and there etc

[wanton elm]

you can tell the bias from the video

[spare willow]

you can check apocalypse's poll data, bilegt's poll data and the kingscodex's poll data and you can see which one has the most majority

[fading ember]

He said that he takes breaks from his companies and makes time to be online that long, what difference is that from any other person taking off work to be online 24h or longer.

[tulip olive]

People don't want to have to take time off work 🤣

[spare willow]

that wouldn't make any possible sense when taking that long of a break unless your taking a week of day off

[narrow sluice]

Honestly he's the one complaining the most, all the other content creators sound more reasonable regardless their stance

[fading ember]

Are we forgetting what all the Koreans did? Some of them straight up just didn't go to work and did RoK straight.

[wanton elm]

i can understand why chisgule likes the change wasn't he told to start piloting lol

[fading ember]

Like during Choonis time (not during when piloting got heavy)

[sweet drift]

If you're so hardcore you can 24h days, why not 10x 16h days in a row

[spare willow]

also chadski opposing something is not new as when ruz point out a suggestion that the new crystal tech that allows routed marches to gem to instantly get back to their city is op, caused some anger and backlash, this includes chadski

[tulip olive]

Even for people who take off work, they still need to sleep. Forcing people to play 24 hours straight is unhealthy. What happens after the 24 hours? They got to sleep!

Let's have doctors and nurses take off work for a game. Lives of people in hospital are an acceptable sacrifice for the kingdoms success

[fading ember]

One of the highest spending ppl in the game was legit in the medical field, ever hear of mad phantom

[sweet drift]

Not just work. This change should be implemented so 35yr old dads/moms spend more time with their kids instead of in front of a screen

[spare willow]

damn I should've listened to my mom when she said to become a doctor or you get disowned

[tulip olive]

Oh yes, I agree. I didn't consider that perspective, thank you

[wanton elm]

i have a problem with it dude.... i spent money and this stops me from using pilots effectively

all this money down the drain cant play 24h straight

[spare willow]

chis is so happy when hearing this update dropped

[sweet drift]

If you've been in VC long enough you hear things

[fading ember]

While I agree Chad should've been more modest while making his points in his video and not being like "I wil be the most valued person in this game". It still stands that every person has their own disposable time to invest into whatever time they can afford to do. Some people work at home so they can in theory have all the time to do both.

[spare willow]

people got mad at lilith just because they updated to implement a bedtime period cause they're worried about their health is crazy

[wanton elm]

they're angry because it interferes with their ability to maintain 24/7 availability (via paid pilots)

[fading ember]

The people that genially don't use pilots and actually commit the hours (doesn't matter if they trigger frenzy or not) have perfectly every reason to be pissed as hell about this, but obviously they can't prove it without the developers saying they never indulged in piloting.

[tulip olive]

They can still fill garrisons... So this only affects the open field. If someone truly plays 24 hours then have fun filling garrisons and watch Netflix 🤣

[sweet drift]

Fill and chill?

Wait no

[wanton elm]

shit

i wonder how imps kvks will change after this

[fading ember]

Just would mean less field fights potentially.

KvKs would still preceed the same.

[tulip olive]

They will actually take a financial hit from this. Less 50% expansions will be bought 😂

[fading ember]

Pass 7 might be actually pointless though in the last day or two depending how this pioneer testing goes. So KDs might not bother to rally and maintain reinforces for X period before kingsland.

No one wants to use like 4h-6h (which is perfectly reasonable account uptime) of their 16h quota then be fucked in KL without it resetting back to 0.

[wanton elm]

i think if it was situational but it will apply to all kingdoms now

[spare willow]

rallying or garrioning doesn't actually count for increase total war frenzy, could also apply to counter rally
but it doesn't mean it's all great and all
, if this update is implemented the field will be lesser than usual due to the cooldown

[fading ember]

Since when did rallying not do it? Just dropped alliance tag right now and joined a farm shell and got this notifcation.

Garrison for sure doesn't add ur frenzy.

But constant rallying 100% it does

also did the mail state that if you were in a rally stature it wouldn't count?

no?

So where did you get that information

Did VIP support say that?

[tulip olive]

In their notes they say you can "join rallies", I'm betting that refers to barb fort rallies, non-pvp rallies

[fading ember]

Oh he's talking about reinforcing rallies

Nvm

Thought he was talking about the captain

mb

[spare willow]

I mean that sorry

[tulip olive]

I think you still war frenzy when joining a pvp rally, which is why I think this might refer to barb fort rallies

[spare willow]

joining rallies or even counter rallies is cool and all but initiating a rally would definitely lead to kds needing another backup rally leader

[tulip olive]

Small kingdoms definitely don't have many premium rally leads

[spare willow]

that's what I think but I hope they should think clearly about this update or filling rallies is screwed

[tulip olive]

People who pilot will just put their best march in a rss node in the front line 🤣
I'll bet my life savings on that

[fading ember]

at this point I'd make another suggestion for the developers to be more transparent about their patch notes.

It causes too much missing speculation.

In the past their justification for it was for the players to figure out themselvs basically a EA statement

[wanton elm]

bet your life savings on them quitting because their performance will become bad 🤣

[wanton dagger]

whats wrong with clicking on it if you use pilots?

[wanton dagger]

if ur talking ab what i had said ab setsu its an unrelated issue

[fading ember]

No it’s when you said something about scrubs getting KP.

[tulip olive]

Piloting is against TOS, risky to admit doing it

[mossy blade]

After the 24h you do another one until the fight ends 🤣 No point in not sleeping for exactly 24h if you just go to sleep after

I did 50h in my last Z5 it's feasible

Just need some breaks to not crash out

[tulip olive]

With enough caffeine and nicotine I bet I can do 30 hours, but my health ain't worth it

[mossy blade]

Hahahaha I mean at the end of the day it's an individual choice, I'm happy to not sleep if I know it will make an impact

While if it's an imperium I wouldn't see a point if people will be awake regardless

[tulip olive]

In wardaddychad's video, he has copy and pasted responses to people disagreeing with him in comments. He literally has a pilot for the comment section. His opinion is not valid

[fading ember]

Oh I read the screenshot wrong, never mind. That's what I get for reading Discord first thing in the morning.

@wanton dagger apologies, I was stupid about the whole thing. Just understood the context of the entire poll post. It had both options for ppl who used and who didn't. Quick read it while reading back the thread .

[wanton elm]

saw that too

the whole video was just copium

[fading ember]

Real talk though, lock the thread. It's already made it's point and the people have made well enough over the discussion topic of it and even into branches that are off topic about it.

[wanton dagger]

i dont even remember that lol

are u sure that was me

[wanton dagger]

yep

all good

[reef knoll]

yep that was u mate

was like late at night so cant blame u

[wanton dagger]

nvm i remember it now

[reef knoll]

it also appears i need glasses

but that never stopped me

[wanton dagger]

u need jesus

[reef knoll]

wha

😭

[reef vigil]

I think part of the reason people are so annoyed with pilots in seeds lower than imperium is you enter a kvk with an opponent that is seemingly as strong as your KD and then their accounts are online 24/7 and you get crushed. Like that experience sucks to play against.

[reef vigil]

16 is very achievable. It’s getting up for pass opening in the morning and going to bed late the next night.

[wanton elm]

It’s achievable but people
Usually go those hours to keep up with pilots

Kvks with loads of pilots feels so inauthentic

[reef vigil]

I am just concerned about the people who

1. Actually love taking off work and playing all day and night for a day or two with their friends
2. How this affects defending in your downtime. If all of your KD is on cooldown (or whatever it is called) how do you defend flags (you can no longer swarm, control field or counter rally)? What happens if the enemy fort drops? Do you have to let it free build?

I think if you could somehow address 2 it would lessen the burden on KDs a lot.

Because stuffing flags as we all know isn’t an infallible defense. This just opens your KD up to getting cooked and back flagging for 8 hours

Would be nice to at least allow counter rallies (I.e on cooldown you can at least rally anyone with war frenzy on)

[tulip olive]

How does the life of someone look when they manage to do 16 hours of war frenzy in a 16 hour period?

1. No showers
2. No working out
3. No driving anywhere
4. No cooking and eating with the family
5. No household tasks or chores
6. No work or family time
7. No touching grass

If someone does literally 16 hours straight of war frenzy then forced break is healthy.

[queen fjord]

I’m used to 30 hr shifts for zone opening, realistically I’ll just pilot the kd fillers until my 8 hrs is up gg

[lament shell]

Well said

[brazen prairie]

Chadski's crash out is because he is American. American idea of freedom is based on a liberal, individualistic framework, while in many parts of the world, views are rooted in a communitarian framework that prioritizes social harmony and collective well-being. Why not just wait and see what the pioneer test reveals? If the change is good for the community, why not give it time to play out?

[steady dagger]

Dawg what

If I agree with what he says that means I'm American then? 💀🙏

[steady dagger]

That is people's respinsability however not the game's...

And people will find ways around it.... Double accounts or whatever

[fair light]

It gives everyone with multiple accounts that plays with 1 at the highest level to want to put both in the same kd

And bam their change has if anything widened the gap

[reef vigil]

1. Shower before the pass opens. Assuming 1 shower per day you have at least 24hrs before you need to shower again.
2. Again work out the day before and have the pass opening be your rest day.
3. People don’t drive anywhere on a normal day anyways so 🤷
4. A lot of people live alone and can meal prep
5. Again do your chores before pass opening. Would be wild if your main rally couldn’t burn a flag because they had to clean the kitchen
6. Take the day off. Sometimes not working for a day is healthy
7. It’s only one day they will live. Also touch grass before pass opens.

In just 5 mins it’s easy to come up with ways to satisfy your made up constraints for how people should live a healthy lifestyle. 16hrs is no where near a limit where a game should make decisions for you

People are on planes for 16+ hrs every day and they turn out just fine

[bleak abyss]

youre against this change because you use a pilot, dont hide behind this argument