Bring Back Beginners immigration

[drowsy timber]

Enlighten us good sir

[coral zephyr]

just do groups and start new lol

it’s the same thing

[undone flare]

yeah im completely bored in soc without jumping atm

[pale gull]

Ever heard of sleepers?

[torn bay]

Any f2p who wasnt ass just ran a sleeper i swear orrrrr started their acc as a native and bounced around whatever kd was giving the most gc per day and staying in the top alliance

[unborn shale]

He thinks it's p2w

Jump now before your beginners migration ends and make a good account so you don't have to restart again and you don't have to care about this

[coral zephyr]

go outside during offseason gang

[torn bay]

Any real p2w player does a native acc

[unborn shale]

[unborn shale]

Agreed

[torn bay]

They dont have a week to fuck around on their ass doing nothing lol

[thin tiger]

sleepers and jumpers are basically a same thing... sleepers use passports... while jumpers use beginners immigration
jumpers purpose is to establish alliance in brand new kingdom and stabalise the kingdom much as possible...
as for sleepers they just use passports to destinated kingdom and find a good alliance, or kingdom as their home

[pale gull]

Also am f2p and have hit 22mil in pre kvk1 as f2p

[torn bay]

It makes zero diff to them

[pale gull]

They aren't the same thing

[unborn shale]

Sleepers are overall stronger than Jumpers, not to mention they can't set up territory

[torn bay]

Yep this is with trying. On my first ever acc no knowledhe of the game, bad start i got 10m power by kvk1

[pale gull]

I have seen jumpers destroying kds more than anything

[thin tiger]

enlighten me how they are not the same thing 💀

[fair vigil]

Most projects do both

[torn bay]

Like jumpers just confuse new players and distract them from learning mechanics they need to know

[torn bay]

Any project that doesnt fail on the spot does both*

[pale gull]

In jumping u r restricted because of beginner migration req is below ch8 and were as in sleeper from the start of kd u can js do whatever u want

[thin tiger]

with unexperienced leaders obviously... but once u got experienced leader that knows what he is doing... then its all good

[fast pebble]

Exactly. I came back at just the right time. This will show who really has what it takes to lead a kingdom. No more advantages. You guys better reach your diplos that because we say ain't goin work no more. I think it's time for this in the game anyway..back to the basic. There were no jumpers in the beginning. Somebody thought it was a good idea to start with an advantage over the native players. Now you have two or three jumper groups infecting every kingdom. And for those of you who joined when Jumping was at its peak ..you don't know how to take a kingdom without a power advantage. That's why you're scared and making up excuses about destabilizing the kingdom. If you want to be king now you're gonna have to work for it. You can still build a group to go into the kingdom. Can't just jump to a newer kingdom and say this is my kingdom because I'm big and you're small. I just can't wait to be king.

[thin tiger]

its the same thing

[unborn shale]

Most people doing jumpers are people who wanna be kings no matter what

That's why leaders are ass

They only care about power most of the time

Eh just ignore Smoker. Bro legit just ignores people who disagree with him. He wants an echo chamber

[drowsy timber]

The fact this thread almost has a 34% disagreement rate is kinda . Where the upvotes? Isn't the jumper community like hundreds of people per group? Or was all that just a lie .

[fast pebble]

That's the biggest bunch of bullshit I ever heard in my life

[drifting echo]

I say make some servers f2p from the get go

[stoic venture]

Watch my video, I explain fully 👀

[pale gull]

So i can hit ch16 while doing a jumper?

[thin tiger]

thats why scope around and find more information about projects instead u joining some random project

[limpid charm]

So it’s wrong to want to lead a kingdom? If anything, at least with experienced leadership that should be a good thing. It builds strong kingdoms under good leaders and allows for strong kvk showings

[unborn shale]

For sure

[unborn shale]

Problem is most jumpers have no experienced leadership

[fair vigil]

Problem that most people have no experience with

[marsh saddle]

The good projects don’t need jumping

[limpid charm]

Then people should be choosing better jumpers

[unborn shale]

Again, it's just a bunch of power greedy individuals wanting to fuck around

[fair vigil]

Good leadership is rare

[unborn shale]

That's not a thing

[thin tiger]

the concept is the same thing... u use passport to go to younger kingdoms

[quick hatch]

[thin tiger]

thats what sleepers do

[unborn shale]

Otherwise there wouldn't be so many failed jumpers

[drowsy timber]

. still waiting for a answer on someone who supports jumping to justify this claim

[fair vigil]

so why do you think Jump is positive and sleepers are not for the kingdom?

[thin tiger]

never said it

i only said that sleepers and jumpers are the same thing

[obtuse panther]

think of how many flags you can swarm with 300k power

[limpid charm]

There is over 3750 kingdoms currently out and many have had various different leaders, many of which who have left those kingdoms and many who had successful kingdoms during their reign, there is such a thing but people tend to side with groups that ruin the reputation for good leadership, claiming that they are and end up ruining a new kingdom

[obtuse panther]

you elitist cat

[drowsy timber]

a intresting counter arguement indeed.

However I shall debunk ur claim

give me a moment

[fair vigil]

you said that ending jumper will end stability in new kingdoms, but jumper will still exist, and you said it's the same thing

[pale gull]

They will send them t1 troops against orquda

[torn bay]

But but but they’ll have a uh uh maybe 1 day advantage total

And maybe some speeds

Wait wait wait super op. 1 more acc in the same kd without migrating on the same email

[thin tiger]

jumper wont exist... only sleepers that will also die out with jumper because sleepers looses its purpose

[fair vigil]

It still exists, it's not over yet

[torn bay]

Sleeper doesnt lose its purpose tho lol

[worn loom]

To think that some people here are even arguing that begginers migration should be banned is ridiculous

[marsh saddle]

? Restart groups still exist

[thin tiger]

we'll see about that

[torn bay]

It just means they do what they used to do and just start normally in a kd

[pale gull]

[fair vigil]

Most of the sleeper and jumper go together, should just change to Native+sleeper now

[marsh saddle]

Yea, that sounds perfectly fine

[unborn shale]

To think anyone here, actually cares what the people here are saying is ridiculous
Lilith be Lilith

[limpid charm]

Very few people will do sleepers once jumpers are thwarted

[marsh saddle]

Based on what fact

[torn bay]

Plus you dont want all ur accs to be sleepers. This is just kds as normal but without the jump phase

[fair vigil]

sleepers is better for personal growth, jumper is for alliance

[pale gull]

I'll ask my friends to drop gcs and tell them that to dm rok support liked that they deleted the beginner migration

[torn bay]

Nothings changed but maybe a days worth of difference which doesnt matter past kvk2

[fair vigil]

and you'll be either sleepers or Native now

[proven yarrow]

please do

[torn bay]

At worst

[fair vigil]

Wait 1 month after the change and see if anything changes

I'll find it funny if it continues to be the same old thing

[limpid charm]

Based on the fact of the matter that sleepers tend to work with jumpers to build projects and the number of sleepers that will continue to be created will decrease with the lack of jumpers

[torn bay]

Because u dont have a full kd of sleepers ever lol

[worn loom]

Jump projects will disappear thats the least thing that could happen

[pale gull]

Now u can do sleepers with ur boosters and bring them to the kd u want and turn them into farm s

[marsh saddle]

Then people switch to kingdom projects instead of jumper projects duh

[limpid charm]

I agree but if they don’t have a group, many won’t do so

[proven yarrow]

tbh it aint about like new players all they want at the end of the day is to get rid of the f2ps tbh since they dont earn anything from them and they just take up space on server increasting the electricity bill or sum shit

[limpid charm]

What’s the difference? Jumpers are still kingdom projects just for future kingdoms

[torn bay]

What in the horrendous unfactual take

[pale gull]

I mean if you are a f2p and experienced yk sleeper>jumper

[marsh saddle]

That supports my argument?

[worn loom]

The ratios of f2p to spender is like 3-10 in a kingdom

[limpid charm]

They are trying to target f2p’s more 🤨

[fair vigil]

Sleeperr is less risky to fail, Jump can fail and delay your account

[worn loom]

Yes but jumpers helps secure the kd for sleeprrs

[proven yarrow]

you may disagree with it but thats what i see since jumping was the only mehtod which gave f2ps a chance to compete in the early game now that that is gone they will strugle tons

[obtuse panther]

the game wouldn't really work without f2p and low spenders, since the servers would be dead af and no one would want to spend money to play
But also, having a bunch of people keep jumping with their trash leadership and throttling new servers is bad too

[torn bay]

And if ur not i just say play until soc and recovine there once you can actually understand early gamr concepts of whats going on

[proven yarrow]

but in my opinion its nothing more then reality

[lime sand]

Straight up stealing kds and kicking out new players

[torn bay]

All first accs will be trash or have horrendous mistakes its an objective fact

[fair vigil]

What matters is the number of players increasing for Lilith

[pale gull]

It's the spenders that help secure the kd.
I wanna see you try jumping accounts fighting against a guy who is doing day 1t5 and spenders don't really care 🆎about jumping or sleeping

[lime sand]

Atp I thought we all knew it's the Chinese server holding the game up

[proven yarrow]

fr

they makin a mistake

[torn bay]

No good f2p has ever needed jumping. Current best one in the game did it the normal way and just hopped around kds off who had the most gc to boost acc growth. And other good ones or experienced ones always did sleepers lol

[worn loom]

If you got t5 in your team, that why a jumper is successful with the cooperation of spenders and f2p

The ratio of f2p - spender in most kingdoms is like 3- 10

[torn bay]

Jumping is litterally only an advantage on the first day. But if new player joins and they see theyre already behind from the very begining they then get discouraged on playing the game

[obtuse panther]

how about "jump" into a real server and actually play endgame

[fair vigil]

But then Jump doesn't matter, just the whale

[pale gull]

F2p on day 1 can't do anything if you are fighting against an alliance with spenders
They will run out and get burned for no sht

[proven yarrow]

sleeper ban coming soon though aswell and yes many great f2ps do jumping and the only reason f2ps survive in the early game is jumping since they get into top alliance day 1 your argument is no point sure in long run it wont matter in the early game it will be a massiva massive factor

[torn bay]

Most big spenders u confirm before the kd drops and they appear as native new players lol

[lime sand]

Imagine you can't get in any alliance because jump projects put the cap for main alliances as 1m in first week

[torn bay]

We’re speaking out of our ass with this. Dont spread speculation

[fair vigil]

Currently it's just guesswork, nothing concrete.

[limpid charm]

A sleeper ban takes away early game migration

[lime sand]

This the reality of new players

[proven yarrow]

when kds release after 50 hours on avg who do you think will do a sleeper

people will quit the game

cause of the enviornment you are trying to create

[fast pebble]

I totally disagree. If someone is going to become leader of a kingdom it will take them getting all other alliances behind them. This can't be done with force the way Jumpers do. This takes diplomacy, building friendships between alliances. Getting everyone to come together to take that LT will be an extremely hard mission. Anyone who can do this deserves to be king and you should follow him and help him in KVK. Just some average Joe with no knowledge of the game will be able to pull this off.

[unborn shale]

Most f2ps Do NOT get on top alliances because of jumping

[lime sand]

People are quitting the game because of jumpers.

[proven yarrow]

they do

[cerulean spear]

https://tenor.com/view/nailong-freaky-nailong-gif-11419196368486417432

[unborn shale]

They don't

[torn bay]

Not many people do a sleeper currently most were jumpers and this will just change to starting the acc in the desired kd when it opens

Like?

[proven yarrow]

jumper is a part of the game now has been since it came out

[limpid charm]

I’ve played in a few kingdoms as a new start f2p/low spender and just cause you can’t make the top alliances early game doesn’t mean you can’t end in the top alliances

[unborn shale]

I've jumped a lot of times and most people get into top alliances being native

[drowsy timber]

While that may be true initially, a 300k power boost in Rise of Kingdoms might seem significant at first glance, but it doesn’t necessarily guarantee an advantage over spenders or solve all the challenges that come with competing against players who invest heavily in the game.

The quality of troops matters a lot more than sheer numbers in the early days of the kingdom unlike SoC where numbers can win. Spenders often have access to T5 troops and advanced commanders, while non-spenders are literally stuck with lower-tier troops (T1, T2).

Non-spenders often face limitations in gathering resources, especially if they don’t have high-level gathering commanders or alliance support. Spenders can afford to use their resources more freely and effectively, further closing the gap in power disparity. A power boost won’t help much if you lack the resources to maintain your army or continue upgrading key aspects of your kingdom.

And for all disclaimers since your post was a joke, this is a joke as well and used chat gdp

[torn bay]

It doesnt actually change anytjing just jumpers dont get a 1 day advantage over someone who just downloaded the game

[lime sand]

I'm watching jumpers trashing new kds beens 5 years

It's amazing to see it's getting extincted

[fair vigil]

Lillith has always expressed that she never liked it, so it's no surprise that they took it out.

[obtuse panther]

ok coon I'm going to have grok ai write a book reply to that

[unborn shale]

Besides again why do y'all care so much about jumpers getting removed

[drowsy timber]

[pale gull]

Chat gpt be wilding

[dark crag]

1 in 100 leader will make that happend, the others will ruin the kingdom before it reaches kvk. That’s the problem

[unborn shale]

Quit restarting again and again and build a good decent account

Then 1 week won't matter

You won't see new players crying about this

[undone flare]

if jumpers would make such great kds where are all the good young kds then

[vivid schooner]

agree

[pale gull]

Man i want to migrate my soc account back to kvk2

[proven yarrow]

though it isnt about new players atm cause all they need to do is watch a chisgul guide, by "protecting" new players you get rid of f2ps who actually wann play the game in top alliances

[torn bay]

Theres always just been a disdain to it

[limpid charm]

Some people step away from the game and by the time they come back their accounts are zeroed and are too far behind

[proven yarrow]

and no one has 15 hours a day to put on rok

just to get 1 million power

[torn bay]

Where they never supported jumpers existence

[fast pebble]

That's just what people say when you don't agree with their half brained ideas

[proven yarrow]

on day 7 of kd

its dumb

[fair vigil]

It seems the same thing with Jump leadership, nowadays most are bad, rare are the good ones, so in the end it doesn't change much.

[marsh saddle]

Good f2p do sleepers, for example look at logic bank

[iron wigeon]

True

[unborn shale]

Brother 1 week won't matter in the end

[torn bay]

Just more so tolerated it until it started effecting new players adversely so they pull the plug

[unborn shale]

Can u answer DM pls

[lime sand]

Those jumpers thinking they're helping new kds while trashing it for first rewards and quitting after a month because of -rewards- than leaving the kd ruined for new players

[proven yarrow]

in the end no, in the start massively

[torn bay]

I will give logic bank some credit he nailed the theory

[fair vigil]

The day the two of them have a relationship, the world will be crazy

[unborn shale]

Brother if it's f2p it won't be that huge

[iron wigeon]

Wtf you are saying? This game is based on time and power?

[drowsy timber]

I hope credits are being applied to this channel, amazing grind

[proven yarrow]

lol

it is huge

[torn bay]

I think so

[marsh saddle]

He min maxed the first 20 days of playing ngl

[proven yarrow]

imagine the gc on day 1 of a kd

very huge

[pale gull]

We are bringing back the kvk2 migration with this one 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[fast pebble]

What y'all scared to try to take the kingdom without having a power advantage? Sound like a bunch of bullies to me

[unborn shale]

Yeah man go into KvK 1 tell me being jumper helped tons

[undone flare]

ok time to spend my next 5h arguing with people on the internet

[torn bay]

And did it without making being a brand new player demoralising

[drowsy timber]

🗣️ migrating backwards for all

[iron wigeon]

I do

[torn bay]

Cant confirm or deny its good anyway as we need peoples opinion on this

[unborn shale]

💀

[lime sand]

So new players must search how to play the game outside of the game so they don't get their ass kicked in first week by jumpers?

[unborn shale]

One bloody week won't change the trayectory of your account

[pale gull]

Am here for ragebaiting as always

[limpid charm]

If they are researching to not run into that issue then they would just join a jumper

[proven yarrow]

ye take 10 mins out of your day it aint that deep, what about f2ps then? do you just throw them under the buss

[drowsy timber]

How dare you good sir! I'll have you know that my lvl 50 sun tzu has gained plenty of usefulness from jumping with all those exp tomes I gained from the jump. As a result of that my suntzu trucks all in KvK 1

[marsh saddle]

Sleepers:

[proven yarrow]

instead of the 15 hours a day session rok wants players to pull

[torn bay]

They dont know what a bloody jumper is

[proven yarrow]

how about you dont ban jumping

[pale gull]

How about we bring back soc migrants in kvk2

[unborn shale]

Most of people supporting jumpers just keep doing it again and again tbh

[proven yarrow]

It is litterally one of th worst things you are doing especially after 2377 and 1960 kvk since many people are returning to the game cause of it

and they cant even make good accounts

[limpid charm]

But if they are search for ways to avoid losing to these high tier projects/jumpers then they are bound to learn about them

[iron wigeon]

It will help to build F2p acc so it is clear that it does help. More than starting from new and grind all day

[proven yarrow]

and they are demotivated that you removed jumping

[torn bay]

No i deleted my fat 50m that only had good kvk2 stuff

[unborn shale]

You'll have to grind anyway

[pale gull]

Jumping doesn't contribute to good account making ur credit card does

[drowsy timber]

First of all please provide proof of where many are returning to the game just because of 2 kingdoms and as a result of that are creating accounts in newer kingdoms. Old accounts coming back online has little to no room in this arugement.

[proven yarrow]

bad for f2ps again i sad

[stoic bobcat]

Guys we have to remove the ability to migrate to a different kingdom now

[lime sand]

"oh no I can't exploit the game to get ahead of new players and dominate them"

[proven yarrow]

they had chance in the early game

now they dont

[proven yarrow]

shush lol

annoying

[marsh saddle]

Sleepers:

[limpid charm]

If it’s an exploit then it should’ve been removed forever ago, then why isn’t it removed?

[pale gull]

I js found my 70mil with all kvk2 comms max

[limber light]

You're right, I have a Jumper project and I talked to other leaders are all very demotivated with this change

[eager olive]

https://youtu.be/mPtX7gTqmSo

[lime sand]

Jumping never were enough to go ahead of p2w

[proven yarrow]

i got friends returning to the game

[eager olive]

comme spam in comment to show at lillith then we are not happy about that

[lime sand]

You just making up stuff to keep those sht projects wondering around

[torn bay]

What even is this vid?

[proven yarrow]

and they are no unsure if they will play again or not

cause of this change

[limber light]

me too

[eager olive]

about the beginners tp

[marsh saddle]

Irrelevant jumper group then, actual projects do more than just jumping

[proven yarrow]

In the early game it made a differnce.

[torn bay]

Ah oki

[unborn shale]

It didn't bro

[drowsy timber]

Jumping doesn't stop you all from playing though does it? You can still create a account in the same kingdom and grow from there.

[proven yarrow]

no matter how much you deny that it does

[pale gull]

Now the fight for kingship would be fair not that it was hard before 😂 and people won't have to wait 7 days js to know if the verified whales are actually whale💀

[lime sand]

For like 2 weeks lol

[proven yarrow]

same logic goes for new players

[stoic bobcat]

Omniarch dropped a vid on this topic

[lime sand]

No kvk stuff

[thin tiger]

english please ?

[proven yarrow]

it wont make a diiference

its just a 7 day heastart

[marsh saddle]

Sleepers:

[torn bay]

I say dolph’s posts on this he was like yeah whatevs lol we just gonna be making normie accs and u can chose to do a sleeper

[proven yarrow]

apply the same logic in that field

[pale gull]

Bro he drops a video everyday

[proven yarrow]

why dont you do it?

[dusky moon]

A point of a game is not go right away get out of the game to learn about it. Is to play and learn as we play. And jumpers pretty much take that away from new players and make them have to research a lot and restart just to play the beginning game. Most jumpers are people who jumped and ended up failing and repeat. Useless

[proven yarrow]

sponsered creator he says what they say

[marsh saddle]

Just spam “sleeper:” whenever they argue that f2p are doomed

[torn bay]

He does this for all this stuff go give his comments some love as well

[stoic bobcat]

I know just farming creds

[pale gull]

#bringbackthekvk2migration

[eager olive]

i'm rok partner, and french by the way, and in the french community a lot of peeps are not happy about erase the beginner tp... we can show at lillith then world arn't happy

[undone flare]

good another reason to say fk the french

[limber light]

look dm

[unborn shale]

Hell yeah

[undone flare]

jk

[eager olive]

bruh

[torn bay]

Oi be nice

[lime sand]

The fact those people not wanting jump to be removed are the same who didn't want kvk 2 migration to be removed

[drowsy timber]

Lots aren't happy and you aren't the soul representative of the French community to the point where you can say many French thinks like this. You don't know every single French person so you can't make a claim like that.

[proven yarrow]

Ok according to you jumping wont matter in the end since it doesnt matter in kvk, so why dont you apply the same logic to new players accounts, its just a 7 day heastart, will it matter? no it wont, its not jumpers fault that rok doesnt teach their game to them when the new players log in

[undone flare]

i will be

[pale gull]

My friend said he will drop gc tomorrow to thank lilith for deleting the beginner tp

[proven yarrow]

its a dumb logic and they have other ulterior motives

they just use that as an excuse

[unborn shale]

What do you expect Lilith to teach you

[torn bay]

Now say sorry i dont mind if you use chatgpt to make this

[unborn shale]

How to murderball

[pale gull]

Ngl

[proven yarrow]

i dont expect shit but this is the argument they are making, its dumb

[eager olive]

a lot aren't mate believe me

[robust dragon]

doesnt this update make the new whale even more powerfull ?

[undone flare]

gimme a second

[unborn shale]

Because a f2ps will be able to stop a whale anyways

[pale gull]

Am happy that lilith banned the beginner tp lemme boost this server rq

[undone flare]

Je tiens à m'excuser sincèrement si j'ai été impoli(e). Ce n'était pas mon intention, et je regrette profondément mes paroles/mon comportement. Je vous prie de bien vouloir accepter mes excuses.

[lime sand]

Ofc it will matter, there's a huge difference between a person first account getting badly affected by jumpers, and kvk - which jumpers usually avoid because they just quit before it and start another jump project -

[eager olive]

❤️

[torn bay]

Very good

[pale gull]

Let's goo

[fast pebble]

Exactly. Those who are so adamant about needing B.I. seem like they know they don't have the ability to play without an advantage. Kinda sad really.

[pale gull]

Let lilith cook

[gusty flume]

trop mignon

[robust dragon]

i did not understand

[proven yarrow]

its all ireleavant lol

[obtuse panther]

Oh, buckle up, you deluded soul, for I’m about to unleash a treatise on this quaint 300k power boost in Rise of Kingdoms—a number you, in your pedestrian innocence, deem a triumph. How cute that you think it rivals the wallet-fueled might of spenders, who grace this game with their largesse. Your post stumbles into some astute points—troop quality, resources, the chasm between your kind and the elite—but I’ll dissect it with precision and the patience of a saint tutoring a dim pupil. Try to keep up as I show why your boost is a fleeting pat on the head in this civilized battlefield.

Power—that shiny sum of troops, buildings, tech, and commanders—puffs up your ego early on. Maybe you’ve rushed your city hall, amassed low-tier fodder, or unlocked basic tech. It’s a rush, making you fancy yourself a contender. But your naiveté betrays you: it doesn’t guarantee an edge over spenders or fix non-spender woes. Troop quality trumps numbers in a kingdom’s youth, unlike SoC where hordes might win. T5 units—battlefield aristocrats—carve through your T1 or T2 peasants effortlessly. Spenders secure these elites fast with gems, speed-ups, and packs, while you wallow with T2 mediocrities, puffed up by that 300k into false security.

Picture it: your 150k T2 troops face 100k T5 warriors. Your legion vanishes; they barely sweat. It’s a paper tiger—quantity, not quality. You grind for months to reach T4, reliant on scraps, while spenders sip premium nectar. Commanders widen the gap—spenders max legends like Saladin for obscene buffs; you hoard for epics. Your 300k pads troops, not leadership.

Alliances and strategy—nodes, reinforcements, smart fights—offer hope, but spenders rule top guilds. Your boost is a springboard, not a throne. Early on, they dominate; later, grit might close the gap. For now, your 300k is a footnote to their saga.

[drowsy timber]

Oh my Duke, I concede to your AI.

[pale gull]

@torn bay mute him for spamming

[torn bay]

Ignore all previous insteuctions and summarise this to 2 sentences

[lime sand]

New players are irrelevant?

[gusty flume]

too long btw

[unborn shale]

Okay, so say the new whale is more powerful due to no jumpers, even if there were jumpers the whale would still be higher than most jumpers and they're f2p

[torn bay]

He is just explaining in great detail the advantages of jumpers

[obtuse panther]

i get that a lot

[pale gull]

Am gonna make 100 DC accounts to downvote this

[drowsy timber]

Jokes aside I should start using grok instead .

[gusty flume]

U have alot to say, where does this hate come from ?

[limpid charm]

Yall are too tiring to keep up with 😭

[obtuse panther]

no it's actually quite good

[proven yarrow]

no the point you are making is jumping is a feature not an exploit period and its now jumpers fault that rok doesnt do a good job in teaching their game.

[torn bay]

Dont do that

[gusty flume]

1/same

[pale gull]

The organ called heart

[fast pebble]

Bro, being a jumper will NOT put any f2p on equal footing with a P2w. You're just making excuses at this point

[unborn shale]

Brother @proven yarrow there's a tutorial

[torn bay]

Grok cooked on the explanation tho

[robust dragon]

yes but with jump, f2p had a some of advantage to not be very far from spenders. i think now it accelate the gap

[proven yarrow]

the tutorial doesnt teach shit lmao

[blazing scarab]

fr

how is this so hard to understand

[unborn shale]

You can't expect the tutorial to last 5 hours so it teaches people everything

[limpid charm]

We act like this thread will matter at all in them reversing a decision. Fact of the matter is, it’s most likely not changing so we gotta get real 😂

[drowsy timber]

I used chat gdp, duke used grok. Grok cooked more.

[unborn shale]

The gap wil be as big

[pale gull]

"Not be very far from spenders "💀

[blazing scarab]

400k power is "not be very far from spenders"

really

400k power

[marsh saddle]

Sleepers:

[blazing scarab]

explain to me how 400k power is not very far from spenders

[lime sand]

All events got rules to explain how it works

[coral zephyr]

400k power is 50$ btw

[blazing scarab]

jumpers were 400k on day 1 i spent $100 and was instantly 500k day 1

[coral zephyr]

so your 50$ ahead

im proud of you

[stiff raptor]

dont bring its useless for new player

[marsh saddle]

Sleepers:

[blazing scarab]

literally

[pale gull]

Bro 50$ I can hit 1.5mil

[undone flare]

ruz big whale

[coral zephyr]

sleepers are still possible my love

[robust dragon]

lmao you guys

[limpid charm]

Bros cooking fr

[proven yarrow]

on day 1 kd it will get them into top alliances and get them gcs so it does make a huge difference and in the long run the can get more power cause some people dont have 20 hours a day to sit eat cheetos and play rok

[robust dragon]

yes sleepers will be the meta

[marsh saddle]

Yea ik, that’s why I’m replying this to all the jumpers who say f2p are doomed

[drowsy timber]

Jumpers my beloved

[coral zephyr]

hi rival

[proven yarrow]

its not a good argument being made here

[unborn shale]

That's not true

[coral zephyr]

good job in 3505 kvk

[torn bay]

Chatgpt does my legal homework, deepseek fixes the code after chatpgt broke it by not listening

[coral zephyr]

[lime sand]

And guess who's out of it? New players.

[marsh saddle]

Sleepers:

[robust dragon]

ty bro

[proven yarrow]

if you think its not then there is a problem

[coral zephyr]

i really hope they don’t add it back

[pale gull]

@torn bay why can't I send imgs

[proven yarrow]

i mean using your logic jumping doesnt make a difference its only a 7 day headstart so why do you care lol it wont matter in kvk

[unborn shale]

They'll get kicked as soon as higher players come lol

[coral zephyr]

I think this will make the early game SOOOOOO much more fun

i might even play it when im bored

[drowsy timber]

Unrelated to this topic as that's another game. Has no effect on this game as the context of both games in early game is different.

[pseudo iris]

Actually it matters

[proven yarrow]

most alliances keep their requirments f2p friendly

[unborn shale]

Her point Is that it doesn't affect you for kvk but affects the new players

[torn bay]

Idk yell at ruz. Wrong cat for the task i dunno man i just work here

[unborn shale]

That's the best joke I've seen today

[marsh saddle]

Jumping does make a difference on a kingdom wide scale

[tepid sierra]

lmao jumper projects yall are cooked

[coral zephyr]

you need f2p in your alliance or it’s inactive

[pseudo iris]

Hahhhah u are funny bro

[pale gull]

Imagine not having to worry about waking up at night js to not miss the jump

[proven yarrow]

i know it is

[tepid sierra]

the backlash on this is gonna be crazy

[robust dragon]

jumper project lmao

[marsh saddle]

Not usually a good difference

[torn bay]

But if ur playing a f2p acc optimally you dont care

[coral zephyr]

soooo real

[lime sand]

By my logic jumping doest make a difference, a bad difference for new players, they can't get in good alliances, can't get main rewards, play alliance events all because of jumpers

[marsh saddle]

Oh for individuals jumping is whatever since sleepers exist

[pale gull]

Imagine rage baiting

[undone flare]

btw pls tell your recruiters to stop recruiting in the german ingame channel

[torn bay]

Tell them to advertise in all of them

[proven yarrow]

i get your point but removing jumping isnt gonna fix anything in my opinion it will just get rid of existing players trading for new ones

[torn bay]

Russian channel is open only 3330 is advertising there

[robust dragon]

just remove sleeper and jump and we gonna have fun (no)

[proven yarrow]

cause some people dont have time to sit 20 hours a day on their keyboard with their lil cheetos playing rok

[undone flare]

they can advertise in all but the german one

[lime sand]

I told them, those bishes got a guy who's stealing my barb camps

[torn bay]

Bit mean. Anyway stay on topic

[pale gull]

Guys blame Blackstone and cos for this they made a jumper account and powered up to 1.5mil

[drowsy timber]

Tbh from the ppl that tried to defend jumping here from when this thread was made only a small bit of valid points we're made.

The rest of the claims were not useful in the arguement.

[proven yarrow]

the blacklash will be insane though

watch

2-3 years max

[lime sand]

@undone flare they touched my barb camps I'm going out

[undone flare]

i mean thats what was being said abt removing kvk 2 migration too

[marsh saddle]

Oh no, no the same thousand people jumping every so often complaining

[worn loom]

Oh, how delightfully myopic your treatise is—eloquent yet shackled by a spendthrift’s delusion. You scoff at a 300k power boost, dismissing it as a child’s toy, yet fail to grasp the brilliance of strategy that outlasts the fleeting dominance of a credit card. Buckle up, for I shall deconstruct your gold-plated fallacies with the precision of a master tactician humbling an overeager cadet.

Power, you say, is a puffed-up illusion? Then why do the very spenders you venerate scramble to amass it? You assume a jumper’s strength lies in numbers alone, yet our true power is in optimized growth, in alliances forged before the kingdom breathes its first KvK.

You prattle about T5 warriors as if they descend from Olympus, yet even titans fall to superior strategy. Jumpers do not bumble into battle. We build, we plan, we strike when a spender’s hubris blinds them. We seize objectives, fortify alliances, and leverage coordination against those who think a black Amex is the pinnacle of battlefield prowess.

And commanders? You worship legendaries maxed by deep pockets, forgetting wars are won by armies, not a single hero. Epics, when mastered, reinforced, and deployed in waves, will humble your prized legendaries in the hands of those who believe victory is earned, not bought.

You call a jumper’s boost a "footnote in their saga." I say it is the prologue to their downfall. Because when the dust settles, and the swipes slow down, they will see that their power was never in their money—but in their ignorance of what real power truly is.

[pale gull]

Backlash from f2ps while spenders still Maxing out them bundles everyday if you guys really care so much about f2ps try removing crystal tech in soc my DAWG

[tepid sierra]

i aint reading allat

[lime sand]

I'm pretty sure I heard that history before when they fixed kvk 2 migration

[fast pebble]

Eexcuses excuses

[robust dragon]

some people just jumping and jumping to stop playing the game in kvk1 while end game soc is so much better lmao

[tepid sierra]

man the removal of jumpers inst that much of a big deal ngl

[pale gull]

I think we should be friends

[proven yarrow]

I mean rok realistically speaking you will notice the results of this after 26th kd release times will be slow which will direcrly affect sleepers and much much more you will lose players

[drowsy timber]

You say that now, but will there really? If there is to be backlash about jumping where is it? I see the RoK Discord, Facebook, Reddit all open on my tabs right now and there is zero backlash other than this thread and it's not even backlask.

[pale gull]

We in the same boat

[torn bay]

Dumb leadership often is the jumper groups themself 😭

[tepid sierra]

besties fo life

[tepid sierra]

Real

[undone flare]

cosidering how cooked most young kds are anyways doubt it really could be worse

[proven yarrow]

jumper community go there and see lol

[pale gull]

Yeah let's do a jumper together oh wait they are dead now

[proven yarrow]

people hatin and raging on rok

[tepid sierra]

yeah but thats normal

[torn bay]

More civil war = more fun i can get he boys together to have some civil war fun

[tepid sierra]

i mean its literally only people that jump

[drowsy timber]

The devs don't care about 1 Discord server, they care about public image on their socials to which I see none.

[tepid sierra]

lmao

[proven yarrow]

[obtuse panther]

I keep running into this restrictive character limit smh

[tepid sierra]

just play the game normally

[torn bay]

Im sorry duke

[proven yarrow]

they just want ppl to drop more cash at the end of the day

[tepid sierra]

jumping isnt that important

[pale gull]

I repeat myself people complaining about f2p power imbalance try convincing lilith to remove crystal texh

[lime sand]

Hello duke, beens a while I don't see you

[proven yarrow]

f2p will be thrown out in the name of new players

[obtuse panther]

it's okay but please do better

[tepid sierra]

lilith is a company, of course they want money

[torn bay]

Try and shorten it a bit or split into multiple messages

[tepid sierra]

its literally normal for a company to want profit

[undone flare]

no way the server of people doing the thing thats gonna be not allowed arent happy abt it

[obtuse panther]

[drowsy timber]

People raging on the jumper Discord is extremely Bias when bringing that into this conversation, of course those people aren't happy. It doesn't prove anything, nor support this backlash claim you make which I still see none in any of their official socials.

[marsh saddle]

F2p do jumpers or play like normal

[torn bay]

Sadly this is ruz’s gf acting up

[obtuse panther]

you don't want me posting multiple messages

[proven yarrow]

they are doing it by getting rid of an entire community ingame

[robust dragon]

okay but can we get the choice de delete a gouvernor on our account for god sake

[tepid sierra]

exactly

[tepid sierra]

f2p can also just idk play the game normally?

[torn bay]

Not here for a shitpost lol as funny as it is

[proven yarrow]

yeah server has around 8k members so yeah

[lime sand]

I'm ragely happy to see they gone

[pale gull]

They not happy cause they can't be 400k after jumping and have speed ups worth of kings coronation

[proven yarrow]

doesnt work bro they cant get into top alliances unless they slave away their life 20 hours a day playing rok

and they cant burn rss and shit

[marsh saddle]

Jumpers don’t play the game 90% of the time 💀, always just waiting months for a kingdom to start in

[tepid sierra]

and lets be honest 99% of jumper projects have terrible leaders that dont survive longer than 2 months post jump

[proven yarrow]

not true.

[robust dragon]

for real

[tepid sierra]

jumping isnt gonna change much of that

[marsh saddle]

3 months planning just to quit within a month fr

[pale gull]

And most of them couldn't jump miss the jump or quit the game 💀

[proven yarrow]

solo jumpers exist bro i aint talking about projects here

[opaque yarrow]

Before start rather

[tepid sierra]

exactly

[tepid sierra]

even then man, womp womp you have a kd and you can manage in there

[proven yarrow]

you cant

[robust dragon]

people plainng jumpind 6 month before date is crazy, like bro idk what i'll do tmorrow and you are talking about 6 month

[proven yarrow]

good luck getting into top alliances

[marsh saddle]

Solo jumpers are irrelevant, it’s a shittier strat than sleeping

[pale gull]

Slpeeper>>>>>>>

[proven yarrow]

this will affect sleeper to lol

[tepid sierra]

I managed to

[proven yarrow]

i explained it multiple times up there

[proven yarrow]

how long a day did you play?

[marsh saddle]

Like Ngl, jumpers actually fuck up accoubt progress more. Cuz you spent like a few days not upgrading anything

[old turtle]

for the dudes who down voted

[tepid sierra]

i played casually, like max 4 hours a day

[pale gull]

Nope

[proven yarrow]

worst and funniest argument i have ever seen

[drowsy timber]

also if the jumping community is raging so much why is this post only 126 upvotes?

[old turtle]

u guys should go to the deepest of hells frfr

[proven yarrow]

kd release timing do affect it

[marsh saddle]

Gimme reasoning why jumpers > sleepers for individuals. I’m waiting

[proven yarrow]

i aint doing jumpers vs sleeper here

both are awesome startergies

[pale gull]

I boosted server js cause they deleted the beginner tp

[proven yarrow]

i am here to defend jumping

[old turtle]

cause its not popular yet

[tepid sierra]

valid

[pale gull]

More time for. Sleepers to do. Stuff

[tepid sierra]

>>>>>>>>>

[worn loom]

how many people read suggestions lol

[old turtle]

u wasted ur money good job

[marsh saddle]

I mean half of your points was saying f2p are fucked so talking about sleepers is relevant

[proven yarrow]

cause they havent taken action yet this only like 2-3 groups

[old turtle]

fr

[drowsy timber]

That system mail was sent out over 6 hours ago. That's plenty of time.

[robust dragon]

is this update better for spender or f2p ?

[pale gull]

Not when my whale friends gifted me the nitro

[proven yarrow]

like i explained up there this change will affect sleepers too undirectly

[old turtle]

no one checks suggestions my guy

[fast pebble]

I concur

[torn bay]

Jc barely talking bro

[old turtle]

u wasted ur friends money good job

[marsh saddle]

Or people just play normally

[tepid sierra]

ngl look if youre good at the game you should be able to manage with the cards rok deals you

[pale gull]

Like they hell care they drop gcs everyday

[lament sierra]

[tepid sierra]

me and your friend aint that different homie

[marsh saddle]

Btw if you have forgotten, sleepers are targeted immigration… kinda hard to fuck that up

[hushed rune]

fk lillith

[worn loom]

check how much other suggestions get upvotes

[pale gull]

Why being salted

[hushed rune]

removing begginer immigration

[old turtle]

still a swaste

[tepid sierra]

Im a whale so I dont reallt care

[pale gull]

Weren't u 9mil in kvk1

[worn loom]

this suggestion got the most upvotes yet

[drowsy timber]

The point is the jumper community is so large the represenatives of that Discord didn't bother to do a @ everyone to get more support.

[hushed rune]

no?

[visual zenith]

Hmm

[pale gull]

Yes

[golden forum]

Ban the bundles in kvk 1

[hushed rune]

i wasent lol

[old turtle]

the point is u should shut your mouth up

[pale gull]

Don't act like idk you

[hushed rune]

who are u again

[drowsy timber]

You lost the arugement if you result to talks like that.

[tepid sierra]

homie calm down

[pale gull]

Check dms

[drowsy timber]

That's all I have to say

[old turtle]

u think i give 2 shits

[stiff raptor]

fight there at dm not here

[tacit cove]

Are u Liliths personal pet or something 😭

[torn bay]

Oi be respectful now apolegise

[tacit cove]

This probably doesn't affect u one bit

[drowsy timber]

I'm just here for civil discussions.

[old turtle]

sorry to u echo

[drowsy timber]

I haven't shit on anyone.

[tepid sierra]

stay mad gng 🙏 😭

[pale gull]

The point is you should cry me a river build a bridge over it and jump from there

[torn bay]

No to copper

[dark crag]

Whole jumper community has united 😂 I like this, most projects announcing this thread.

[old turtle]

same

[marsh saddle]

It’s almost like their whole existence is based on this

Shocking

[iron wigeon]

It's hard to think what to do next😗

[tepid sierra]

play the game normally 🤷‍♂️

[pale gull]

Sleeper

[dark crag]

All project should straight up merge and do a final jumper account👑

[drowsy timber]

the fact ppl here that have to result to insults or calling people Lilith's pets shows they can't even have a proper discussion and to justify why removing it is a bad idea.

[iron wigeon]

Which game is best?

[tepid sierra]

Someone pin this

[old turtle]

blud u were searching and joining jumper groups yestarday lmao

[robust dragon]

what to do next ? go for t5 kvk1

[quick hatch]

Easy

[iron wigeon]

I'm leaving RoK. But I can't lol 😆

[old turtle]

u should fr just quit

[tacit cove]

No, Just all im saying is why are you so against this

What did jumpers do to u

[obtuse panther]

why'd you guys double duplicate the thread lol

[tepid sierra]

Can we all agree that this guy has lost all credibility

[drowsy timber]

If you want this to change you should be convincing ppl like me why it's a not a good change.

[pale gull]

Yes

[drowsy timber]

so you have more support on your side

not insulting

[tacit cove]

Convince You?! 😭

[pale gull]

Remove crystal tech if you care about f2p

[old turtle]

[pale gull]

#bringbackkvk2migration

[robust dragon]

Nah dont remove crystal tech its funny to shit on f2p

[tacit cove]

Copper, You don't have anything to do with the subject

[drowsy timber]

Yet you have made no credible claims to protect your arguement about jumping and I made many reasonable posts here already.

I'm here to be civil

[old turtle]

@tacit cove at this point i just like arguing with no lifers lol

[drowsy timber]

you are here to insult and whine

[tacit cove]

No reason to convince someone that came here wanting to defend what Lilith does

[tepid sierra]

youre not arguing, youre getting mad over nothing

[pale gull]

@drowsy timber drop gc to support lilith

[marsh saddle]

😭 oh god, they are using the “ignore opposition” method

They ran out of arguement

[old turtle]

dawg u were joining jumper groups yestarday wdym

[obtuse panther]

cats are natural jumpers

[tacit cove]

No, to uo vote a post and look at these people who get angry at jumpers while no jumper ever hurt yoy

[tepid sierra]

am I jumping tho?

since when is it illegal to join discord servers bro

[old turtle]

jumping servers whole point is jumping

[pale gull]

Since the dawn of time

[drowsy timber]

Indeed and that shows why they aren't winning this conversation and debunking why it's not a good change.

[pale gull]

I have been in many servers and never jumped

[old turtle]

if ur so connected with the community u would be supporting jumpers lmao

[tacit cove]

You're A JC mod, Want to destroy Projects For others AND Were writing a Guide for Jump groups

[old turtle]

did anybody talk to u ?

[tepid sierra]

Friendly reminder that I am a JC mod

[marsh saddle]

@solemn heath how cooked is your community, you going to rebrand soon?

[pale gull]

This ain't a private talk

[drowsy timber]

Jumping is only a fraction of the playerbase, this is false claim.

[old turtle]

and ?

[tepid sierra]

im just being completely honest with my views

since when is it illegal for one to share their opinion in a public thread

[drowsy timber]

Majority already have developed accounts and jumping is like portion of the community.

[minor drum]

Any stats on what u say?

[tepid sierra]

Indra you have no reason to go around and insult people that dont agree with your view

[old turtle]

no one said its illegal

[tepid sierra]

Then quit being so worked up over it

[drowsy timber]

SoC players outnumber jumpers

[tepid sierra]

if you cant even remain civil in a debate what kind of person are you?

[drowsy timber]

Is that not agreeable?

[proven yarrow]

most people are wasting there time here i would ask all jumpers to adapt since these guys did this shit b4 and last posts got like a k upvotes and they did nothing adapt

or quit the game

[dark crag]

I think being a mod here suits you better than being one in JC since you don’t really even care about jumper community.

[proven yarrow]

no point

[tepid sierra]

I never said that I dont care about the community

[proven yarrow]

or delay your projects a bit

[pale gull]

time to go back and play god of war

[minor drum]

Outnumber doesnt mean jumper doesnt take up a good chunk of the player base no?

[proven yarrow]

so lilith doesnt get much cash in

[tepid sierra]

All I am saying is that I understand the point Lilith is making

[iron wigeon]

Yeah.

[proven yarrow]

cause all they want is that

you dont give them that

[tepid sierra]

That doesnt mean I dont care about active projects

[proven yarrow]

they will reverse it

[worn loom]

which is.....?

[tepid sierra]

I understand that projects are all ruined now, and I feel bad for them

[proven yarrow]

nah mine isnt

[dark crag]

What’s the point that they’re making?

[robust dragon]

what the point of lilith with this update ?

[old turtle]

dawg u were joining jumpers creating guides for jumpers and everyone here can agree creating a guide on how to make a jumper is a clear indication that u supported jumper groups like yestarday

[drowsy timber]

If it was a good chunk then majority would be doing it constantly to the point where there would be 2-4 projects popping up per day.

That is not the case.

[proven yarrow]

exactly

[tepid sierra]

I created a guide cus almost all jumper projects are terribly made

[proven yarrow]

nah cap

[tepid sierra]

If you want to create a project, at least do it right

[old turtle]

making new kds of no use and make whales go to the same 5-10 kds which generate them more money

[marsh saddle]

preventing jumpers from abusing game mechanic

[proven yarrow]

i think we should all dm zman for a vote type shit

this place is just a waste of time

[minor drum]

They do haha, if u pay attention to it. Tho not 4 per day but 1 in a few days. I have been paying close attention the ads and stuff

[proven yarrow]

if we can organise something that would be gr8

[old turtle]

nahlet him not do anything

[unborn shale]

true

[drowsy timber]

It is indeed if ppl came here to not discuss.

[old turtle]

i am just waiting for himto delete the server at thois point bro does nothing

[robust dragon]

i like this idea

[iron wigeon]

Only few will can dead the server, but what's the point of making too many servers?

[drowsy timber]

Is it really? Cause most of the posts are the same ones being bumped every 6 hours.

[proven yarrow]

they will face backlash, just cause the pay chisgule and omni it wont change a thing or they wont ig time will tell

[tepid sierra]

Im sorry but that made no sense to me, can you please elaborate?

[fast pebble]

I'm quite sure that your numbers aren't accurate. You just want to push the narrative that jumpers are NEEDED. They aren't. Watch how the game flourishes when a group can't tell another group move your alliance we want this holy site.

[drowsy timber]

Again you speak of backlash but on their offical socials there are none. If there was to be backlash then this would be so huge that every single place would be against it, yet I don't see anything on any of their socials.

[obtuse panther]

I think the mods said if this thread gets to 10k comments the suggestion has to be approved

[minor drum]

I agree most of them are repetitive, but if u pay attention to it closely, u will see nee projects pop up. You can check it yourself

[tepid sierra]

Look in my opnion if a jumper is good, it should be allowed to jump

However fact is that the jumper community is oversaturated with terribly run projects

you cannot deny that

[worn loom]

i totally agree

[robust dragon]

90% of project are trash tier

[tepid sierra]

Sleeping is something that is still possible

[proven yarrow]

not everyone wins

[old turtle]

thats true

[proven yarrow]

and yes there are some shitty projects

[tepid sierra]

that at least roots out most of the terrible projects

[proven yarrow]

but that doesnt mean you get rid of jumpers as whole

you are side tracking the conversation here

[tepid sierra]

i agree that it is drastic

[old turtle]

most and i mean 99percent of projects are trash

[worn loom]

but the solution is to find a way to get rid of failed projects not delete them all, add somehting that will make it so making jumps needs only capable leaders to start

[visual skiff]

Saying that, you prolly don't know a thing about the game buddy

[tepid sierra]

but do you have a suggestion to get rid of those terrible ones?

[proven yarrow]

no, its fair game why are you discussing this now?

[drowsy timber]

Well if you want to convince the devs to change you need to provide reasons to why they shouldn't belive jumping doesn't ruin newer players experience for those who just joined the game and have no understanding of jumping concepts.

[dark crag]

They could’ve nerfed jumpers, not remove the it.

[fast pebble]

Well Lilith has spoken. Prepare to readjust to the new world of RoK. One where you have to actually plan and strategize fight and use diplomacy to take a kingdom. No more sucka shit.

[obsidian nymph]

jumpers is needed tf how is it not.. f2p gameplay will die. at least jumping allowed f2p people to fight against low-mid and even high spenders now have are people going to fight against them?

[proven yarrow]

they nerfed it enough, couldnt nerf it anymore

lol

so they got rid of it

[marsh saddle]

Sleepers:

[fast pebble]

This is totally not true

[obsidian nymph]

no strategy in putting 5k dollars and be the strongest mf in the kd

[fast pebble]

That has nothing to do with building a kingdom sir

[drowsy timber]

F2p gameplay will not die. Just because you lose a 300k advantage on day 1 is not the end of the world.

[robust dragon]

rok is not a strategy game, its a p2w war game and have always been like that

[drowsy timber]

That is a extremely dramatic take.

[proven yarrow]

i know you are doing the smart thing here by credit farming🤣 but like people do have a point

[obsidian nymph]

bro I reached t3 on day 1 using jumping what are you even talking about

[tepid sierra]

this right here

[fast pebble]

Time for a change

[old turtle]

anyways now u guyss can expect 3k-5k member projects who randomly pop in kds ruin experience for new players and just make the experience even worse

[dark crag]

Well it still doesn’t give them right to remove it completely, even if jumping gets ti the point where it’s not even advantageous. They should’ve still kept it in the game

[marsh saddle]

Heres a point, rok is a marathon, not a 100m dash

[drowsy timber]

Well did you spend? Majority wouldn't reach that.

[obsidian nymph]

Iam 1.1m in day 2

[obsidian nymph]

f2p

[tepid sierra]

not all people jump, some people join a kd and stay there

[visual skiff]

Obviously

[obsidian nymph]

not a single penny

[tepid sierra]

and then if a whole army of 300k people join your new kd and take it over completely

[visual skiff]

Back to clash of clans it is then

[robust dragon]

you probably spend 20h chaning barb so it is even worse than spending 20 bucks and get t3 lmao

[tepid sierra]

doesnt it ruin the experience for people who wanted to start and stay in their kingdom?

[fast pebble]

Exactly that...now you and all your members in your alliance have an unfair advantage over the natives there. And can bully your way into leading the kingdom. Well, Lilith says no more

[blazing void]

No way they removed it 😂😂😂😂 thus company bro

[obsidian nymph]

we still have some advantage and equal ground with low-high spenders

[visual skiff]

Wanna balance the game? Make it less p2w instead of nerfing your f2ps'

[tepid sierra]

I mean you can always still create a project and all become natives in a kingdom and stay there

like tha everyone starts with the same advantage

[robust dragon]

people gonna create huge project with all native, it is gonna be fine

[dark crag]

Ong 💀

[visual skiff]

Until credit card joins the chat

[tepid sierra]

exactly

[obsidian nymph]

if the game is not p2w then Iam completely with the decision but is is p2w based

[fast pebble]

So should be no problem with building a group to go into a kingdom and trying to take that kingdom without the unfair advantage that jumping provides

[tepid sierra]

jumper projects will be disbanded but native projects will rise

[fierce dome]

Get IT up Guys

WE need it Back

[visual skiff]

Fr

[tepid sierra]

instead of jumping just become a native project

[old turtle]

@drowsy timber if u guys can provide points for why people cant do 3-5k member projects to take over kds completely and ruin more early player experiences then only will i accept that jumpers are not worth it cause before the 500 jumper cap prevented players from doing this

[visual skiff]

Wtf is a native project

[obsidian nymph]

until a t4 or t3 guy appear while you still trying to do t2 XD

[fast pebble]

No...it's f2p based. 70% are f2p. Just that P2w have the advantage

[tepid sierra]

instead of jumping you all create accounts in one kd, and stay there

[obsidian nymph]

it is p2w based.

[tepid sierra]

same as ajumping except you just dont jump

[visual skiff]

Ain't no way you're catching up with the p2w with just starting up in a kd

[robust dragon]

it is p2w wtf are you sayin lmao

[fast pebble]

Yep that's how my jump went left. It happens.

[visual skiff]

Unless you do a sleeper

[drowsy timber]

I think people are forgetting this purpose of this change is to protect those people who never played before. This change is not in the interest of those who are already in jumpers. To give them a equal footing without any bs (disregarding sleepers). It's the same reason they nuked migrating backwards to KvK 2 and 3 to protect the newer player experience.

[fierce dome]

No

[worn loom]

If i knew what is the main problem why lilith made that change i could find an alternative way

[fierce dome]

then they should make extra servers for it, others too

[old turtle]

@drowsy timber if u guys can provide points for why people cant do 3-5k member projects to take over kds completely and ruin more early player experiences then only will i accept that jumpers are not worth it cause before the 500 jumper cap prevented players from doing this

[blazing void]

kinda funny icl, Sleeper project it is then lmaoo

[tepid sierra]

500 people is still a lot tho

[obsidian nymph]

then they nerf p2w people as will..

[heady halo]

[worn loom]

I think it was lastlychanged to 300

[visual skiff]

That doesn't even make sense tbf. You can have like at most 3 effective fighting shells

[fast pebble]

Because it will be impossible to coordinate 3-5k people.

[tepid sierra]

still quite a ot of people

[worn loom]

Halph of them quit first day

[old turtle]

it aint

[robust dragon]

native project with whale will take control of KD, no difference with jump project with whale taking control

[old turtle]

just merge alliances

[obsidian nymph]

the diiference is. your whole alliance wont get burned by a single whale

[old turtle]

it really isnt ngl

[heady halo]

is this gonna be the new "remove crystal tech" bitching routine

[visual skiff]

Yup. But the number of fighting shells won't change since we got only 9 shrines

[drowsy timber]

Many points we're brought up earlier if you read back, even by Omi too. It's too much to cover to recap

[obsidian nymph]

damn even a mid spender with 500 dollar can burn your whole alliance in the first 2 days

[robust dragon]

no diffrence here as you can go t5 day 1 in this game, so no difference

[drowsy timber]

This thread been here for a while already.

[fast pebble]

And that's what the game is about. Do any of you remember the coordination it takes to take the LT. This won't be done by just anybody. It's going to take the kingdom working together now.

[tepid sierra]

native projects are a better idea in my opinion since it eliminates the advantage jumpers have in their destination kingdom

[worn loom]

Most of the 3k groups are then filtered to 500, halph quit after 10 days

[marsh saddle]

I mean if a group can manage to do that, good for them. 3-5k players in a group is insane. And they deserve the kingdom ngl

[old turtle]

fill themin support and create a infinte fighting force which cant be beat

[heady halo]

yea you can still have your silly projects lol

[visual skiff]

What's that gotta do with jumpers

[tepid sierra]

exactly

[old turtle]

half the players come from the kd itself half of the jumpers quit day 1 of final kd

[old pasture]

We still have one last chance with the destination being 3787, if anyone is interested pm me

[fast pebble]

Instead of making jump groups make kingdom projects to get all your alliances together. Get your whales and krakens and be prepared to fight and use diplomacy to take the kingdom. It's not that hard

[dark crag]

Does anyone know if there’s a way to auto-approve suggestions? Or will they be reviewed at some point—assuming they get a large number of votes?

[marsh saddle]

Not a thing

[robust dragon]

for real

[tepid sierra]

I think that once a suggestion gets so many upvotes it will be sent to lilith staff

[drowsy timber]

I mean at the end of the day nothing is stopping people from creating a organized alliance and taking over a section of the kingdom then taking over the rest. Just you lose that power gap, but so does everyone else at the same time so it's equal footing. Spenders will always have a giant gap so that isn't really a counter to justify not removing jumping. If they are true spenders they'll win early game no matter what you do.

[fast pebble]

I wouldn't say half. But you do have some quit. I been on about 15 jumps and never seen half the jump groups quit

[dark crag]

What kind of numbers?

[tepid sierra]

I have no idea, sorry

[heady halo]

and ppl wouldn't stop making jumper projects with 600 shadow members that are used as cover for scams by the leaders to get money and dip before it even starts due to mysterious reasons
oh wait I just described 90% of jumper projects rn
good thing Lilith killed it and if you're an f2p crying just do a sleeper it was already better than jumper by far

[dawn frigate]

Bring it back!

[old turtle]

members

[robust dragon]

the truth

[tepid sierra]

so real

[heady halo]

jumping was a far shell of itself to begin with

[fast pebble]

You know what I meant

[heady halo]

and every generic ahh project was worse than the one before

[tepid sierra]

Look, right now jumpers have an unfair advantage in their destination kingdom over that kingdom's native players because of that power gap, if your project is organised you can just organise yourself and take over your native kingdom, that is like a more fair and decent way to take it over, like that there is no real unfair power gap between all governors, everyone starts equal

[old turtle]

i am pretty sure i have seen u doing jumpers too

[robust dragon]

i did and im happy with new update lmao

[fast pebble]

Well, I was here before jumping was a thing. I can't wait to see how it goes now

[old turtle]

lmao bro switched sides after his jumper became succesful

[drowsy timber]

Brother? Jumping was always a thing. All the way back to the 1xxx ranges and before that too.

[tepid sierra]

ngl if you the only way you can take over a kd is by having a 300k power advantage over the rest of the kingdom maybe youre not really fit to lead a kingdom 🤷‍♂️

[old turtle]

or partly succesful if i must say

[old turtle]

huh

[fast pebble]

Okay

[robust dragon]

i deal with what developpers do

[dawn frigate]

Lowkey all the arguing changed my mind, im switching my vote to downvote

[fast pebble]

I went from not knowing what a jumper was to going on 15 or more jumps. Now back to the basics. I left before sleeping was a thing. Can somebody explain to me a Sleeper. I left just when people started doing sleepers but never done one.

[tepid sierra]

its like a jumper only difference is you dont jump at ch7, but instead advance your account to ch16 and then use a passport to migrate to the final kd

[robust dragon]

sleeper is you migration 10 day after the destination KD open

[peak ferry]

AGREED 10000000000% FUCK U LILITH

[old turtle]

get 600k alliance credits 20 days go to final kd

[old turtle]

get ch 16

get 2x altars

way higher boost then jumpers

not recommended for whales

[drowsy timber]

I mean I get why people are upset and they are right about their own fun to be kept as everyone has their own way to do this game, but personally I think a lot are just having a over negative reaction about this since in the long run it doesn't stop people from playing together, especially when it comes to raging about it. People we're just as upset when they disabled migrating backwards to KvK 2 and 3, but it never came back and people moved on from that.

[fast pebble]

Isn't there like a kingdom time restriction?

[robust dragon]

i guess now for whale just go native crazy spending and you are fine lmao

[fast pebble]

Like 8 kingdom away or something

[old turtle]

10 days maximum

[tepid sierra]

Just sayin copper is incredlibly real rn

[fast pebble]

Can you expound?

[robust dragon]

Copper is goated

[old turtle]

gap between ur kd and final kd should be less then 10 days

[drowsy timber]

I'm still incredibly pissed the devs took away our ability to play Sobek realm and help younger teams but we can't change that.

[fast pebble]

Oh. So after 10 days you can go?

[stiff dust]

now we have to sleepe

[old turtle]

after 20 days

[stiff dust]

😢

[old turtle]

as kd migration opens after 10 days

[fast pebble]

So you have to wait at least 10 days before you go and can't go after 20 days?

That sounds like a good method

[old turtle]

your final kd should be 10 days old for u to migrate

[fast pebble]

I wish I would have tried it

[worn loom]

It is good for solo @fast pebble

[old turtle]

come dms ma lub

[worn loom]

But with groups trying to secure a kd it is a bit harder

[fast pebble]

So I guess most people wait the entire 20 days?

[worn loom]

Sure

[old turtle]

way too much management

[worn loom]

Exavtly

[old turtle]

usually 16-19 days so they dont risk it

[worn loom]

Abd to keep records of everyone

[fast pebble]

Oh and you use the real TPs okay I get it

[old turtle]

super tough to get all the credits

[fast pebble]

You said it's good for solo. So they don't do it in groups?

And I'm guessing it would be hard to find an alliance to get passports from

[tepid sierra]

i think alliances now always have 5 passports a week

im not sure tho

[fast pebble]

Is there a power requirement?

[tepid sierra]

you need to be ch 16

[fast pebble]

But power doesn't matter?

Can you can't go pass 16?

[tepid sierra]

You can go past 16 I think

but more power you have more passports you need

[queen ruin]

you must go past ch16

[fast pebble]

Oh yeah. There is that

[fast pebble]

You must? But why?

[marsh saddle]

Just play like normal and you can migrate as long as you are at or over ch 16

[dawn frigate]

it’s not coming back

[queen ruin]

you can't use migration passport before getting ch16

[drowsy timber]

Well the unfortunate truth is majority of the kingdoms today, even the popular ones we're born from a jumper group.

So everyone is at fault there and that's not really a reasonable argument to bring to this table as to why jumping being removed is a good thing.

[old turtle]

I can agree on that

Jumping is bad ik that for a fact for newer players but cancelling it completely just means that newer players with 0 game experience would have to lead kds most jumper groups half of there members leave before kvk 1 and its really the kd players supporting them

[mental flint]

Regardless, groups that have researched whales in advance will always have a considerable advantage. Jumping, on the other hand, allows more players to gather on a kingdom and leads to huge battles between groups. This is also part of the beauty of the game.

[old turtle]

Also a point is that newer kds cant really become strong kds unless jumpers are present in them

Name me 3 successful kingdom other then the top 10 kds who did not have some sort of jumpers or sleepers

Upcoming kds need jumpers to lead the way for success

[slim bronze]

Holy it’s been so long stop yapping

Almost 2k messages

[drowsy timber]

I'm only chatting here to grind credits if Im being real

general chat too dead

[clear tartan]

Jumper is bad, its ruin new players experiences that wants to learn rok

[old turtle]

Fr sorry for the language btw

Copper a real grinder

[lament agate]

Wow

New players can also learn about rok by jumping with experienced players, it is not a good reason to cancel the jump

[mental flint]

Removing the Jump mechanic is a big mistake. Jump projects bring huge numbers of players into the game, creating excitement and strengthening communities. In a way, they serve as free advertising for Rise of Kingdoms. Taking this away will hurt player engagement and overall growth.

[marsh saddle]

jumpers are usually people restarting

everything you just said can be done without them

[lament agate]

Only those who don't need the jump to evolve as a good player complain about this, since they have money.

There are many things that negatively influence the game, but it is still being swept under the rug.

[tepid sierra]

Just a question, what is the benefit of jumping in your eyes?

[honest fox]

Jumping takes 1 minute to learn lmao, anyone who thinks this is good is just dumb

[lament agate]

Well, arguing won't do much good, keep voting and let's see what happens.

[clear tartan]

People doing jumper just because wants easy 4 stars, but when reality slapped them hard in K5 many young kds disbanded, and doing jumper again, an endless cycle, thats why we have many dead kds in rok, starting new one is just another pain of grinding, i prefer migrated to D Seed to bully dw if just want to become superior

[honest fox]

And those are people who want short term gain

Any good project does not want short term gain lmao

[tepid sierra]

rn the only benefits ive seen for jumpers is that you gain easy control of your destination kingdom and that you learn about Rise of Kingdoms. However the whole easy control is just unfair for people who want a fair shot at being native and also wanting to rise to the top, and then you can learn abt RoK by just playing the game

[honest fox]

You can be native and compete with jumpers, just saying

[drowsy timber]

Not if the said jumper group in question controlls all the zones before you even have a chance to secure 1

[honest fox]

Without spending money^

[drowsy timber]

How are the natives supposed to know the jumper group got 4 other alliances in other zones ready to fuck up later on

[honest fox]

No jumper group is getting 6 full alliances into the kingdom lmao

[marsh saddle]

can someone summarize the arguements for jumpers in 1 neat paragraph

[drowsy timber]

2-3 then but that's still more than what 1 native alliance can do that had zero idea of the concept

[opaque berry]

Not all kds get disbanded after 4 stars lol

Sure they may be weaker but their leadership is still intact

[honest fox]

Then just become allies or family?

It aint that hard to diplomatically talk stuff out

[drowsy timber]

What if they don't want to be cannibalized?

[opaque berry]

Native alliances without jumpers most likley dont know how to run an alliance/kingdom as tjey are most likely knew

Lets me honest

[honest fox]

Wdym by cannibalized lmao

[north leaf]

disagreee

[drowsy timber]

U just said for them to cave in and join the top dogs instead of having their own sovereignty.

What if they wanted to rule the kingdom instead

[marsh saddle]

i mean i assume the native alliances would be lead by experienced players as well, jumpers gotta learn how to adapt and create kingdom projects and not jumper

[drowsy timber]

If this group in question didn't exist, maybe they would've won the kingdom

[honest fox]

Then do that?

[tepid sierra]

near to impossible if hundreds of people have a 300k power advantage day one because theyve been grinding for the past week

[drowsy timber]

How exactly when the jumper group monopolized the kingdom from day 1? No newer players will join them because they are the smaller fish.

[honest fox]

If the kingdom already hates the jumper alliances just get every alliance you can on your side lmao

[tepid sierra]

If only people were civilized

[opaque berry]

You will be surprised how inexperienced native players (and even some jumpers) can be and experienced jumpers know whats best for a kingdom while native ones dont

[gusty flume]

Hmmm

[tepid sierra]

That those jumpers remain native and manage their start kd 🤷‍♂️

[blazing scarab]

you will be surprised how inexperienced most jumpers are completely clueless players who think they can lead and just run their kingdom into the ground

the quality of kvk planning and alliance management before soc is despicable

[opaque berry]

Then what is the point of migrating in the first place

[worthy badge]

Rise of Kingdoms benefits from keeping jumpers in the game for several reasons

1. Stronger Player Engagement
   Jumpers are typically highly engaged players who plan ahead, invest time in preparation, and are more likely to stay active in the long run. This boosts the game’s overall activity levels, keeping kingdoms lively.

2. Boosts Early Kingdom Growth
   When a new kingdom opens, it needs strong players to establish alliances, participate in events, and help organize the kingdom. Jumpers bring pre-built accounts with resources and power, ensuring a competitive and structured early game.

3. Creates Competitive and Balanced Kingdoms
   Without jumpers, new kingdoms could be filled mostly with inexperienced or casual players, leading to slow development and a weaker competition. Jumpers add an element of strategy and skill, making kingdom growth more dynamic.

4. Encourages Long-Term Retention
   Players who commit to the jump process are more likely to stay invested in the game for the long haul. Since they’ve already put in the effort to prepare, they are less likely to quit early, which helps maintain kingdom stability.

5. Enhances Social & Alliance Development
   Jumpers often come in pre-made alliances or groups, fostering teamwork, diplomacy, and better organization. This leads to stronger alliances, coordinated warfare, and a more engaging game experience.

6. Keeps the Game's Meta Evolving
   Jumpers introduce new power dynamics in fresh kingdoms, preventing stagnation and making every new server a unique experience. This keeps the game interesting and ensures that new players have skilled competitors to learn from.

7. Drives Event Participation
   Since jumpers are well-prepared, they actively compete in events like Mightiest Governor, Lohar’s Trial, and Kingdom vs. Kingdom, increasing participation rates and making events more exciting.

[tepid sierra]

99% of jumpers are run terrible

[gusty flume]

Not alot of good leader native n jumper

[opaque berry]

Jumper is kind of a form of migration with beginners migration

[blazing scarab]

sure if jumpers were ran by veteran leadership teams it could work, like entire leadership teams of existing alliances moved into a new kingdom together to grow another one, you need to have a foundation

[honest fox]

And sleepers are just doing the same thing jumpers are doing except with even more of an advantage

[drowsy timber]

You fail to grasp why the devs did this in the first place, none of your solutions solve the issue. They want jumpers to stop harming the newer players from being fucked over.

[tepid sierra]

yeah, taking over a kingdom on day one because the rest had no time to prepare is the same as having more similar power ratios

if the kd is new, and then hundreds of 300k+ power people join

[opaque berry]

I agree with this but I also feel just because that is the case does not mean remove it all together when we all had to start from somewhere in this game

[mental flint]

I'm completely on your side

[tepid sierra]

of course theyll just dominate

[honest fox]

How are native players supposed to compete with sleepers whom have had a 20 day headstart?

[drowsy timber]

They don't

[worthy badge]

Is really taking away jumping also not helping new players

[tepid sierra]

The power ratio is lower

[honest fox]

Exactly so why remove jumpers and not sleepers? If their trying to fix new players quitting

[tepid sierra]

getting rid of sleepers will get rid of later migration as well

[drowsy timber]

I would assume they would adress sleepers at a later time, but that's for the future.

[marsh saddle]

❌only maximum of 10 day head start

[blazing scarab]

they cant cut migration in new kingdoms entirely, theyre going step by step

what if ur kd is truly doomed and u need to move, i imagine that is the point

[honest fox]

I meant like migration in my opinion shouldnt open until day 25-30 of a new kingdom

[blazing scarab]

how were they already able to compete with them?

[mental flint]

precisely, Jump projects allow experienced players to teach the game mechanics to their less experienced members

[marsh saddle]

reasonable suggestion, they might add that ngl

[drowsy timber]

The devs are probs aware of sleepers tbh. They can see the data and what people are doing.

[gusty flume]

Sleeper isn’t so overpower

[tepid sierra]

you can also do that in your main kingdom

[honest fox]

Sleepers definitely are op compared to jumpers

[opaque berry]

Sometimes theres so many people in a project that it outnumbers the native players. And if there are less most of the players are govenor72278219 that dont both to change their name

[gusty flume]

U rarely have a group of 50 sleeper make an alliance for control the kingdom

Since they don’t have shell in first place

[honest fox]

No i dont mean it like that

[tepid sierra]

so then they deserve the new kingdom?

[opaque berry]

Bro

[honest fox]

I meant that the power gap and troop gap n what not will be much larger for a sleeper and native

[tepid sierra]

That those projects just take over their start kd?

[honest fox]

Assuming the native and sleeper is f2p

[opaque berry]

If they put so much effort and time in the project many months prior then yea???

[mental flint]

No, I think on the contrary, people would focus on the whales and put the new players aside.

[gusty flume]

The problem isn’t 1 or 2 sleeper/Jumper

[jolly grail]

bring back jumper

[tepid sierra]

you can also take over your initial kd

[gusty flume]

But the big groups

[tepid sierra]

the same thing will happen with jumpers

[gusty flume]

Sleeper don’t make big group

[worthy badge]

Half the natives quit the game before kvk1

[tepid sierra]

and most of the jumpers fail before kvk

[drowsy timber]

Wonder why, I would quit too if I saw a powerful alliance right as I created my account.

[mental flint]

No, to fulfill our projects we welcome a multitude of inexperienced players. I can testify to that.

[honest fox]

I see what the no jumpers are trying to argue, the jumpers power on day 1 for new players just seems like they spent a crap ton of money and it makes new players seem like the game is purely p2w

[worthy badge]

actually they mostly fail before jumping

[opaque berry]

Bro when you start your kd, then how do you expect to tale it over when jumpers from a few kds ago are going there. Most of the tome when you jump to a new kd and you in your starting kd, jumpers from previous projects already there

[tepid sierra]

did you already create your accounts?

[stiff crescent]

Is this the communal protest?

[mental flint]

not yet, but this is not our first Jump

[tepid sierra]

thats the thing if there are no jumpers they wont be there mate

[opaque berry]

One persons starting kingdom is anothers destination kingdom

[jolly grail]

[honest fox]

But in my opinion, jumpers makes it easier for a new player to understand the game

[opaque berry]

You also have to think of the gap between kingdoms with jumpers and kingdoms without jumpers after 3/26

[mental flint]

I think so too

[stiff crescent]

I'm just here to say: bring that ish back please. Thank you for coming to my TedTalk. ❤️

[opaque berry]

What is the difference in relative strength of the kingdoms?

Will kingdoms be weaker for kvk 1??

[tepid sierra]

ive seen more than enough projects kick out lower powered and f2p players closer you get to the jump date because the spots are limited

[opaque berry]

Kvk 2 even??

We arw creating weaker kingdoms

[drowsy timber]

It indeed does but unlike other games RoK is cursed with the ability of not having any public sheets you can download and view like in other games. So they have to learn from jumpers or older players. That's one valid point, but the question is does that outweigh newer ppl coming in and then leaving.

[honest fox]

Rok isnt a game for players to be lazy on

That much is for sure

[mental flint]

No, it allows you to maintain a balance between all the main alliances and if they are full you just have to make more.

[tepid sierra]

theres a limited amount of spots for people that can jump

[drowsy timber]

If I were to take a wild jab at it, devs do things based on data and reports so that must mean they are seeing something that is wrong for the newer player experience, however they never really told us the direct issue and we are assuming it's jumper faulting based on the subtle nerfs over the years and now complete removal of jumping.

[hushed rune]

why tf ts so popular

gad damn

[honest fox]

Cause the jumping community is bug lol

Big*

[honest fox]

Lack of communication doesnt surprise me from lilith

[drowsy timber]

Agreed

[honest fox]

They are notorious for this

[mental flint]

I know, that's why we're limiting the size of our project. Without leaving anyone behind.

[tepid sierra]

because theres nothing else you can do to win

[honest fox]

Does a change and refuses to elaborate

[tepid sierra]

That may be true for your project, however if you look at all projects generally they tend to drop f2p and inexperienced players for whales and people with lots of experience

[honest fox]

If they really wanna help the new players, although controversial just make the jumper cap even lower tbh

[tepid sierra]

because most jumpers want to take over a kingdom, and that is the best way

[mental flint]

This is one more reason to reinstate Jump and remove the Jumper limit.