Simplify puzzles in future installments

[copper warren]

https://youtu.be/eut-ehTyUJs

[maiden frost]

This is the dumbest post I’ve ever read

That’s a new achievement

[fickle barn]

if an hn game didnt have puzzles it would be way too easy

because you would just get a few items and do some random thing with them in order to win... which is boring

[prime river]

Again... the ai is supposed to be the fun part

[fickle barn]

an ai on its own isnt enough

[prime river]

Well the puzzles could be more simple

just finding objects to reach the goal

it could be randomly generated

but I could be wrong

[fickle barn]

just finding objects is even worse

[prime river]

Let's make it have simple jumps and puzzles like throwing a box on a lifted bridge to take it down

[fickle barn]

throwing boxes at things... oh right thats the basis of 2 of the worst puzzles in hn1

[prime river]

well not like that

Its like throwing a box on something that's close

and we could do what the hn2 beta did

[fickle barn]

yes thats still one of the puzzles im talking about

[prime river]

causing distractions to get the key item

[prime river]

oh ok

[fickle barn]

the elevator blue key puzzle thing

to get to the grocery minigame

throwing boxes at lever is annoying

[prime river]

ok

but unlocking distractions sounds good

[fickle barn]

something like this is good

[maiden frost]

That’s what you call a puzzle

[fickle barn]

puzzles that make sense in the map are far better than the neighbor locking his son in the attic with no way to get him out

[prime river]

maybe like. Finding a mailbox with a clock in it. We then throw that clock to a room. And like in hn2 alpha 1, we make them punch in a code. We use that same code to get a key. Use the key to complete the objective

[fickle barn]

why the hell would there be a CLOCK in a mAILBOX WHY

[prime river]

uh som on order a clock

I dont know lmao

maybe in a bedroom

yeah

[fickle barn]

exactly

[prime river]

a bedroom

[fickle barn]

what about: the room is simply locked with a lock. we need to figure out where the ai keeps their keys hidden

[prime river]

maybe unlocking a weapon to fend off the neighbor

[fickle barn]

we need to get them to go in the room, and figure out where they keep their keys hidden

by just watchign them

[prime river]

We grab the alarm clock from a bedroom, throw it, get the code, and go to that room, and get a rifle to fend off the neighbor when he corners us to get somewhere

[prime river]

that would be a tiny bit boring

but just a tiny bit

we all have our taste

[fickle barn]

we get the key by throwing the clock into the room

we now know where he keeps his keys

[prime river]

oh yeah

that sounds good

I might change the hello neighbor reboot I'm writing down, into those puzzles

let's think about some original ones

[fickle barn]

what about: the room is his shed. he keeps things like fuses there. when we get in the room, we get rid of the fuses, or wrench, or whatever, so that he cant repair the things he uses to guard the basement

maybe theres a gate thing that he often repairs

so we stop him from being able to repair

[prime river]

finding a valve in a boiler room to put on a pipe, then turn it to make the room steam, and he will unlock a closet to get duct tape to fix it. We then sneak to the same closet and get a crowbar, use that crowbar to break the boards off the basement

[fickle barn]

what about the closet is replaced with a shed or garage? makes more sense

[prime river]

Yeah

Imagine locking a closet just to keep your 10000 dollar duct tape

[brittle otter]

There’s no point of playing these games if there aren’t any puzzles

It’s like saying, let’s take the platforming out of super Mario, or take out the speed in sonic, it’s not fun

And neither would it be fun to remove the puzzles in hello neighbor

[hoary zephyr]

Sonic chronicles is a example of this

[brittle otter]

Oh- no!

[rapid marsh]

This is quite possibly the worst post ever

[copper warren]

Oh yeah, it's not like we could have horror, atmosphere, AI, or stealth mechanics. Puzzles! Wohoo! Now that is apparently the focus of this franchise.

Nobody on this server knows a single thing about game design

Except for

NateEMG

GOAT

[fickle barn]

if there wasnt puzzles the game would be like 10 minutes long

[copper warren]

(A shorter game was the original intent before Tinybuild milked the HECK out of this franchise)

And besides

[fickle barn]

tinybuild didnt do that much with hn1

and hn1 is pretty long

[copper warren]

If the AI was actually challenging then it shouldn't be so short

[fickle barn]

yes it would

a good ai on its own isnt enough

[crystal glen]

Literally the gist of hello neighbor is to avoid the ai while solving hard puzzles.

That's what Nikita wants with hello neigbor

If it weren't, it would just be "get that item while running from an ai"

[rapid marsh]

yeah, i wanna pay 30 dollars for a 10 minute game

[fickle barn]

cant wait for this post to go down in the history of stupid as shit feedback posts

[rapid marsh]

i've seen my fair share of god awful posts

but this one takes the cake

[maiden frost]

Nate… also uses puzzles

[modest merlin]

what the shit did i just read

[static spruce]

Let me get this straight, you want a game with even less content, and no objective meaning players will play 30 mins and quit, am I correct

[brittle otter]

Kinda getting tense aren’t ya?

[brittle otter]

That’s what I interpreted

But I guess I didn’t interpret it correctly enough since I know nothing about game design. What would I have to do in a game that involves getting into your neighbor’s basement and all you need to do is avoid the big bad guy. And boom, you’re done. I smell a Pre-Alpha cutscene

Just get in and out

No hate on pre alpha though, that game is awesome

[copper warren]

They forced the games to be longer on order to jack up the price

[copper warren]

And no this is not a stupid post at all

[copper warren]

The objective is to get into the basement

If each house in Hello Neighbor 3 had you finding items in order to unlock parts of the house, in order to reach some kind of goal

I don't think the game would be short anyway

Puzzles make these games longer. But only because they bloat the game, often complicating it so that you either have to bang your head against a wall until something works, or search up a walkthrough.

It that's the time of game you guys want then, oh well for people who like fun I guess.

[copper warren]

You could still need a keyboard, key, hammer, etc.

The goal would be getting then though

[crystal glen]

Puzzles are fun, and also, literally the POINT OF THE GAME, solve puzzles while avoiding ai

[copper warren]

Not solving cryptic puzzles.

[copper warren]

Yes, and we've already had 2 games fail with that mentality

Maybe it's time to simplify the gameplay loop away from puzzles

[crystal glen]

The older alphas could be beaten super easily

[copper warren]

Not cryptic puzzles

[crystal glen]

Fastest speed run without glitches is like under 5 minutes

And they also had puzzles

That weren't necessary

The puzzles now are good

[copper warren]

Just "puzzles" that require you to get certain objects, we'll communicated to the player. Not cryptic puzzles.

That's what I mean

[crystal glen]

That's the POINT of hello neighbor! Sneaky around ai and solve puzzles!

[maiden frost]

99% of HN fans think they can do better than EGS, but shit like this is what usually happens lol

[static spruce]

It's not egs fault, don't even say that, they are passionate Devs, it's tinybuild, the publishers fault

[static apex]

I've seen bad suggestions but this is by far the worst 😭

bro just suggested to remove half of what makes hello neighbor, hello neighbor ☠️

[prime river]

Don’t forget about Alexus who made hn2 what it is now,💀 not hating, just a bit upset

[static spruce]

yeah, but who I meant were the other devs which put effort into the game

[prime river]

Yeah

[fleet vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/matpat-crying-matpat-crying-funny-fnaf-guy-gif-1049312914968647448

[copper warren]

14 dislikes

According to popular vote I don't know anything about game design

[fickle barn]

correct

[copper warren]

BRO THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT I MEAN WHEN I SAY "no puzzles"

[fickle barn]

the idea here was the same basis as the hn2 alpha code puzzle

you need to get the ai to take the key out of the hiding place, so that you can figure out where the hiding place is

that is different from no puzzles at all

[copper warren]

k

Technically

All I'm saying with this post is I'm TIRED of the cryptic stuff

Freezing globes

[fickle barn]

hn2 puzzles werent cryptic at all

[copper warren]

for example

Welllll

[fickle barn]

just follow the wire?

[copper warren]

Simplify puzzles in future installments

[fickle barn]

i do think that more logical puzzles would be better

[copper warren]

I hope that's more accurate to what I actually mean

[fickle barn]

actual thinking outside the box puzzles

[copper warren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

Bro it is TOO LATE

They called me a FOOL

[fickle barn]

instead of just putting bizzare clues in random places

[copper warren]

they said it was "THE WORST FEEDBACK POST EVER"

THEY KILLED MY DOG

[fickle barn]

because you worded it in the worst way possible

[copper warren]

maybe not that last one but still

[copper warren]

real

I also said it was controvercial

[fickle barn]

i still dont fully agree with this post tho

[copper warren]

Real

Valid

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[fickle barn]

cryptic non-sensical puzzles arent good, but also just seaerching for items isnt good either

[copper warren]

I can't stop chugging this stuff down it tastes real good

[copper warren]

Yeah

[fickle barn]

hn2a1.5 had perfect puzzles

besides the rope gate puzzle

that sucked

[copper warren]

But you have to admit there is a problem with having complicated puzzles AND a threat together]

A lot of people just find that stressful at the same time

And they can't progress

I feel like complicated puzzles should be reserved for safe areas in the map

Houses with enemy AI should be simpler

That is my hot take

[fickle barn]

or better: have more distractions, so that you can have time to think

[copper warren]

Makes sense

[copper warren]

That's it Ima delete this post

Oh wait I can't

Anyway

I take everything back

[maiden frost]

again

[copper warren]

what?

What is it

[jovial oasis]

That's not even a hot take

[maiden frost]

It’s just dumb

[copper warren]

Why thank you

[rain trail]

i gree is silly

is puzzle is fine and maybe not puzzle but explore game where explore

[modest merlin]

i know about game design too

wait that was last year

either way we should leave this shitty post in 2024

[prime river]

We already left vexbolts in 2024

The TikTok guy

[modest merlin]

good

[static apex]

(I have made games before)

suggestion to remove half of HN still sucks though

[copper warren]

Ok

yeah

whatever

live and let live guys

[crystal glen]

Actually tho, puzzles are just going to get Harder in future releases, Nikita wants a difficult puzzle horror game.