🫶

[slow bone]

I LOVE THIS HEADCANON AND ART SO MUCH

[true basin]

awesome <3

[spiral ember]

thank u so much!

[lime charm]

Guh/Buh

[true basin]

?

[spiral ember]

thank you for your kind message, you spread all kinds of love and support in this server and im so glad to see you supporting trans artists and headcanons 💞💞💞

[lime charm]

I know right

Cheese/Milk

[true basin]

are these neopronouns?

[spiral ember]

neos are so expressive! im happy to see more people being open with them!

[true basin]

true

[void dragon]

SHE'S SO CUTEST 😭😭🥹🥹🥹

I LOVE UR ART SM

[spiral ember]

she is!!!

[spiral ember]

thank you so mcuh!!

[spiral ember]

why are u SO right

[open spire]

MICHEAL IT'S JUST A CHILD MICHEAL?!!!

[stray vale]

halp

💀 i forgor

why is there a addiction image on your drawing ?

like what

[void dragon]

Do you know what estrogen is vro 😭

[spiral ember]

its an hrt joke

[spiral ember]

im also a child

[spiral ember]

lets take estrogen 𝓽𝓸𝓰𝓮𝓽𝓱𝓮𝓻

[void dragon]

HELP

https://tenor.com/view/comically-large-spoon-estrogen-trans-spoon-king-bach-gif-17910832

[spiral ember]

PLEASE

[spiral ember]

enzo speech bubble

[void dragon]

HELP ME

[spiral ember]

https://tenor.com/view/estrogen-burger-estrogen-burger-squidward-sponge-bob-gif-23711288

[void dragon]

HERLP

[spiral ember]

im a trans child myself

[slow bone]

children can be trans.. im literally trans myself. 😭

have u never met a trans child?

[spiral ember]

plus the one where hes actually transitioned is aged up pleasd.

[vast totem]

I never said that. I'm just saying it's a bit odd to depict a child character as trans.

[slow bone]

literally how is that odd

[spiral ember]

can i ask why ? like genuinely

?

[vast totem]

idk it just feels a little odd depict a child character as that. Also I don't want to continue this here because it's probably not the appropriate topic to discuss. dms etc would be better if you'd really want to continue this topic

[spiral ember]

if you dont have an applicable reason than i dont really see a reason to bring it up, especially if you acknowledge discussing it here is innapropriate: but i appreciate the feedback!

[vast totem]

np 👍

[void dragon]

I think it’s awesome

I think about this piece every time this thread is active it’s so cute ☹️

[spiral ember]

THANK YOU

[spiral ember]

i think abotu enzo at almtime s o f the day. hello enzo hello enzo hello enzo

[void dragon]

NOOO

[spiral ember]

ok enzophobic

[slow bone]

ENZOPHOBIC

[void dragon]

I LOVE ENZO :(

[spiral ember]

PLEASE GET OUT GET BACK TO PLAYING SIMS

[void dragon]

me with nicky he is so me

[slow bone]

omg STOP

[slow bone]

nicky mention

[void dragon]

OF COURSE

[spiral ember]

https://tenor.com/view/secret-neighbor-secret-neighbour-hello-neighbor-hello-neighbour-enzo-gif-26172338

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/secret-neighbor-hello-neighbor-enzo-esposito-bruh-gif-21387159

[spiral ember]

I LOVE THAT FIF

[void dragon]

why is bro so 😧

[spiral ember]

https://tenor.com/view/secret-neighbor-i'm-sorry-for-judging-you-hello-neighbor-enzo-esposito-hello-neighbour-gif-10047221939331817173

[void dragon]

I QUOTE THESE ONES SO OFTEN

THAT ONE

THAT ONE

[spiral ember]

REAL

YES

PLESASE

[void dragon]

IM FLYING AWAY

I need to draw Enzo he’s been on my draw list for aWhile

[spiral ember]

[void dragon]

HELP

scurries away to my drawing tablet

[stray vale]

freakin female hormone got from the body of a "consent" woman

[open spire]

zamn

crazy

[lime charm]

Samn

[open spire]

sane

insane

[lime charm]

minane

[open spire]

i'm def not enophob

Enzo is a great character

and he is a guy

lol

[lime charm]

Is he? i thought he was a bowl of macaroni and cheese

[stray vale]

yup

[open spire]

me too

jk

[lime charm]

https://tenor.com/view/mac-and-cheese-cheesy-pasta-macaroni-and-cheese-mac-n-cheese-gif-26297138

[stray vale]

YUUUUUH

[open spire]

AYO

[stray vale]

DISGUSTIBNG

[open spire]

don't show that to enzo

jk

but fr

[stray vale]

https://tenor.com/view/vomit-rainbow-gif-3906176636125393050

[open spire]

why making things harder when it can be easy

[stray vale]

aAAAAAHHHHH

are we gonna become flash banned ?

if i say.....

crazy my boi

[lime charm]

Yeah

Im kidding

[void dragon]

what

[lime charm]

I think hes on about a female hormone then that being extracted from someone but that someone didnt consent

I dont really know either

[void dragon]

I genuinely doubt it’s without consent

[lime charm]

Yeah i dont think it really works like that but bazinga

[void dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/vro-vro-cat-cat-im-tweaking-im-tweaking-cat-gif-9452953164378936408

[lime charm]

What is VRO

Why do you say it so much?

Is it bro with a v?

Or something else

[void dragon]

Yes!

[slow bone]

um yeah obviously, this fanart is just a headcanon. were not saying enzo is canonically female or trans😭 its fanart bro

[lime charm]

I prefer fanart that is actually fanart but i mean whatever i guess

[slow bone]

literally how is this not fanart?😭

its art made by a fan of the character/series 😭😭 what are u getting at bro

[void dragon]

^^

let ppl have their headcanons it’s not really harming anyone

[slow bone]

literally

[lime charm]

Yeah its art of a character but i like fanart thats within the context of the HN franchise and where did i say that all headcanons and shit should be wiped off the face of the earth

[slow bone]

how is this not "within context of the HN franchise"

[lime charm]

Like i dont care yet for some reason having a preference gets twisted into me hating everyone and their creations being destroyed

like do what you want my preferences doesnt like determine what you do

[slow bone]

well you dont need to say anything about ur 'preferences'?? its better if u just keep things to urself dawg

[lime charm]

I prefer different sorts of art like my man

You dont have to care

Im not asking anyone to care like im just saying dude

[slow bone]

omg like i just said, sometimes u dont need to say everything that u think. have some self control shlawg

[lime charm]

Self control doesnt fall along the lines of my autistic self so i do not think just saying something aint that bad

Like your name i dont agree with it i dont ship them but am i having a go? am i gonna keep @ you over it? no just its al chill

[slow bone]

omg not u using a disorder as an excuse. im also autistic, aswell as the artist who drew trans enzo in the first place.😭

[lime charm]

An excuse for what

Typing words

on

discord

MY friend it doesnt matter

[slow bone]

ur using it as an excuse to be rude 😭

[lime charm]

Me having a preference not even saying that this art is trash or anything just me prefering a certain type of art

Wow im being so mean rn

Anyway cya

https://tenor.com/view/jason-jason-voorhees-voorhees-moonwalk-friday-the-13th-gif-3036272179517885832

Oh and a last thing

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-your-opinion-gif-23885768

[slow bone]

omg there is literally no need to speak on ur "preferences" like genuinely what😭 this doesnt make sense to me. imagine u posting art of a character wearing a green shirt and then someone goes under the post and is like "this would be wayy better if he was wearing a blue shirt btw" like huh?? it really doesnt matter that much bro. theres no need to give unnecessary criticism, specifically when the artist isnt asking for it

[lime charm]

Ok

If someone said that i wouldnt mind they just like that like you like shipping aaron and nicky in your name like there is no need but you just feel like sharing your preferences and ideas like thats okay dude

[slow bone]

theres a difference between liking something and putting it in ur name, and telling someone you would like their creations more if it was different. also, why do you even have a 'preference' for a character not being trans? why does it matter to you that someone drew a character as a transgirl. im genuinely curious

[lime charm]

That isnt what i said at all i never critisized the character for being trans i just like the traditional fanart like making HN houses out of lego and just other cool shit like that have nothing agaisnt this art or the creator

Anyway were kind of repeating the same points to eachother here so i dont think its good to keep typing

[slow bone]

ok this is making it MORE confusing for me.😭😭 so ur saying u went out of ur way to tell some random artist that YOU DONT EVEN KNOW that they should make lego hello neighbor houses? i dont understand dawg

[lime charm]

I never said that again

You are getting confused

Im not telling them that they SHOULD do other things

[slow bone]

the person who drew this is very talented at art and thats obviously their hobby, so why go out of ur way to say that u 'prefer' them to do something else. u dont even know this person

[lime charm]

I didnt tell them directly and yes they are very talented

[slow bone]

OH

IM DHSLEXIC I READ THIS WRONG

[lime charm]

Nah thats cool

[slow bone]

i know so like, what was ur reason for commenting under the drawing in the first place. genuine question

[lime charm]

Well i wasnt saying this drawing or anything was bad well i might of weve been talking so much ive already forgotten

havent got the greatest memory

but anyway talking about it is just extending the pointlessness of it so i mean im going to try and not reply

[slow bone]

okay dude. i hope you know im not arguing or anything, im just genuinely trying to discuss and understand. if i came off as condescending or rude thats cuz im not very good with tone😭

[lime charm]

Me neither

I can say the most horribly mean shit ever and i wouldnt even notice

[slow bone]

same LOL

[lime charm]

But yeah the short awnser is uhm i dont know

Just uh

I just did

[true basin]

/This server is generally really progressive but I hate that all queer headcanon or OC posts get giant threads with people arguing/.

[lime charm]

Yeah this usually happens

Like i dont even hate it i just like saying words

[hidden bolt]

🙏 omg this
agreed 100%

[spiral ember]

i create what i want, you, nor anyone, can dictate my own creativity and art. you think enzo isnt transgender? i really couldn't care, its a harmless headcanon that im not forcing onto anybody, draw him however u want! infact, i encourage it! make your own headcanons and your own decisions on what he looks like to you, no one has the right to dictate how i imagine a character in my head, just like they dont have that right over you. im not forcing this nor am i saying its canon or anything, its a drawing. im a transgender person myself and inhave faced backlash, if i see myself or traits or just want to draw a character the same label as me, why shouldn't I? im not harming anyone, and ive already had people tell me how wrong it is: i understand there is a demographic of people who will never accept my orientation nor identity as a human being, but i hope through my art i can reach other people who also see themselves in media, or people who have similar orientations. you're not transgender, i'm assuming. and if you're not than you would never understand why i make the art and headcanons i do, and that's completely okay. its not for you, and for you to ask to change my own self expression to match your needs is just illogical. if you want something for you, go make it. dont dance behind "criticism" or "preferences" to cover up bigotry like other people. i see it for what it is, and quite frankly, im tired of it. i appreciate your thoughts but you have nothing to add that is meaningful to my art, if you're only going to disagree of the basis of which it exists upon. thank you,

[spiral ember]

agreed, i dont intend on that stopping me though.

[lime charm]

If you read like this entire chat history you can see that is what i clearly wasnt on about

I was actually saying the opposite

[spiral ember]

but you're using the same langauge, and the same excuse. you say you dont hate it nor that you dont want to be rude, but lets be honest and clear: if the intent wasnt to harm the confidence of the person making the art, why criticize in the first place? and it is criticism. you're disagreeing with my decision, when no one asked for your opinion nor your language to be shared

you have to recognize the rhetoric said by transphobic people being repeated back to a trans gender person isn't going to look like "the opposite "

but this isn't the place to debate that, ive said what i wanted to, and im tired of having to defend myself on something that isnt hurting anyone. i'll continue to make whatever i want and no one has any real reason or power to stop me

[lime charm]

It wasnt critisizm i litterally said i prefer most other arts litterally read the chat history every point you have made i have said i had no intent of i aint doing this again just to explain something so simple that people refuse to understand because for some people want to make me look like a massive piece of shit who wants to bring down everyone

Its all pointless isnt it eh? as pointless as my comment saying i usually tend to prefer other arts you are very talented artist and for some reason im bad for that one little comment but we ignore all the shit about me saying shit like that?

Im not gonna reply im leaving it at that

[spiral ember]

ive seen how you talk down to artists and then say that its just critique or just an opinion to actively hurt these people. people will blatantly say to ignore your thoughts, or for you to stop, or that you're being rude and you have never once heeded any of those comments. its clear you want to larp on artists, and thats fine! but dont hide your intent. people have told you how you come across, but you make no effort to change? you know how people see you and your words and your "preferences" and you don't. care. that is disrespect, and its rude, and its pathetic to not even own up to it. i dont care about what you have to say on a level that really effects me, but its tiring seeing you spread negativity onto artisits. thanks for the praise and compliments, but that doesnt change you being rude? just because you decided to cover up your "one little comment" with niceness and respect doesnt change the fact you still said what you did, and its embarrassing to think you can backtrack. but none of this really matters, i just like to draw

[spiral ember]

enzophobic

[spiral ember]

"got" 😭? you do know.. hrt doesnt.. like "take" estrogen from women, right?

[lime charm]

Yeah whatever you say mate

[spiral ember]

^_^

[void dragon]

ew... Enzophobe/j