Release hello neighbor 2 alpha 2

[torpid furnace]

the game was 99% scripted and 1% playable but yeah we want alpha 2

[thorn spindle]

It wasn't released due to the fact that it is so broken and lacking in any sort of meaningful content. I'm pretty sure about 20 % of Gray Manor would actually be a playable area. You can see in promotional material that most of the windows are blocked out with light.

[ornate zodiac]

[young knoll]

Imagine if the neighbor in alpha 2 was just a background character, and his house wasn't acsessable)

[thorn spindle]

That's actually quite likely

[thorn spindle]

Maybe

My theory is that just the ground floor of Gray Manor was an actually playable area

And the rest was unfinished

[upbeat orbit]

I don't care how broken people say alpha 2 is, I'd pay 80$ for it. Im not kidding.

I'd rather play a broken version of what they promised, than a fixed version of a game that wasn't what they were hyping people up on.

I dont care if the ai would get stuck every 10 seconds or something, aslong as I can play what I've been waiting since alpha 1.5 for.

[bronze ravine]

except alpha 2 didnt really have much of anything that was promised

[upbeat orbit]

It had everything that the trailers that made me hyped for the game had

Especially the old artstyle

I was hyped for a game for so long that doesnt even look the same now

[tawny marsh]

Did you not notice the trailers were pretty much fully animated?

[upbeat orbit]

yes, but footage from alpha 2 shows the locations the trailers were set in

theres some stuff that isnt animated

or atleast looks incredibly real, like the ign stuff, devlog background gameplay

[tawny marsh]

They're pretty good at making convincing gameplay.

[upbeat orbit]

I know stuff like deep dive is fake but didnt ign play it themselfes?

[tawny marsh]

Deep dive isn't fake.

[upbeat orbit]

deep dive is real gameplay but the neighbors activites are scripted

[tawny marsh]

I don't think so.

[upbeat orbit]

then what did they do to make the game so much worse than that trailer tho?

the ai looked incredible in that trailer

also

the board breaking animation

dude you cant tell me deep dive isnt fake

[tawny marsh]

It's truly something.

[upbeat orbit]

why would they scrap so much stuff and replace it with worse stuff if it isnt fake

[tawny marsh]

Oh, it's real.

[upbeat orbit]

so they just removed all the good the game had and made the board breaking animation bad, the ai bad and removed all the neighbor activites?

[tawny marsh]

It's the beta AI, I believe.

[tawny marsh]

Pretty much.

[upbeat orbit]

that doesnt make any sense

[tawny marsh]

Not really, no.

[upbeat orbit]

but it's tinybuild

[tawny marsh]

The game was remade so many times.

[upbeat orbit]

also the fact the neighbor catched him right after he removed a board, that's gotta be scripted. (in the end of the deep dive trailer)

[tawny marsh]

There's no proof the deep dive is scripted, really.

[upbeat orbit]

theres no proof for anything

[tawny marsh]

I remember seeing someone say it's scripted because of a broken paint decal.

[upbeat orbit]

yeah thats stupid

but some things actually really hint at it being scriped

like the neighbor being frozen after being hit with the paint can

how did that happen if its ai?

[tawny marsh]

Beta AI.

[upbeat orbit]

when he turns around for a split second you can see that the neighbor is frozen

with 0 animation

completely frozen

[tawny marsh]

Sure looks like he's doing the look around animation.

[upbeat orbit]

he was like still staring at the thing where the wrench was in

[tawny marsh]

I'm rewatching the deep dive.

[upbeat orbit]

me too

I can see it now

I still believe its scripted what the neighbor does,

1. That isn't beta ai, I played the beta and it isn't nearly as good.

I just cant understand why they would add so much stuff in that trailer but remove it in a playable build

Ik it's tinybuild but who on earth would do that

[tawny marsh]

Rewatch 0:50.

Sure looks as bad as the beta.

[upbeat orbit]

yes I can see, the neighbor tricks him by staying behind the car which doesnt look like beta ai at all

[tawny marsh]

He froze for, like, 3 seconds.

[upbeat orbit]

and tricks him with a crowbar later

totally something the ai does

and it can drop items too

[tawny marsh]

Doesn't seem like an impossible thing to code.

[upbeat orbit]

yes, weird that they didnt code it into the ai

almost like it's scriped

ok if it isnt scriped

then I cant understand tb at all anymore

who would make all these activites and good stuff then just scrap it

and replace it with like around 3 activites

[tawny marsh]

The game was remade a bunch of times.

[upbeat orbit]

not entirely

[bronze ravine]

they didnt

"while i didnt get to play hello neighbor 2" is literally wwhat the dude says

[upbeat orbit]

Im not that informed about much hn stuff recently so I could be wrong but didnt they just remake it once, and even if they did wouldn't they keep stuff like the ai if it was this good?

[dense sleet]

should I post my patch 9 copypasta here?

[upbeat orbit]

Im not trying to start an argument here, Im just saying I enjoyed the old artstyle and trailers way more than what we got like what the ai does and stuff.

Maybe the trailers arent fake and tinybuild just scrapped everything good within them

I dont get why they would show so many activities (if they were real) the neighbor could do and then only give him like 3 or something in the fg

To hype up the game ofc, but that's why I think that footage is fake

[tawny marsh]

It really isn't that uncommon to lie about your game for attention.

[upbeat orbit]

Yeah ik

but you for example said deep dive wasnt fake

so why would they remove all the good stuff in that trailer in fg?

even if they remade it

[tawny marsh]

It's not a trailer.

It's actual work in progress gameplay.

[upbeat orbit]

Which never got added

I just mean that they had so much potential but instead made an "okay" game (to me) and only give each neighbor like 3 activites

[tawny marsh]

They didn't have time to add everything.

[upbeat orbit]

but the beta ai's literally had more activites

you cant tell me they remade the game after beta too

[tawny marsh]

Too bad it was horrendous.

[upbeat orbit]

All im saying is that I think the game had massive wasted potential and they replaced it with a pretty simple artstyle instead of the old one which I found way better (ofc everyone has their own opinion) and just scrapped everything good, why even remake the game when they had a really good project going during times like alpha 1.5?

[upbeat orbit]

Why?

[tawny marsh]

Play the beta and you'll find out.

[upbeat orbit]

I did

i have 30 play hours

You can do much more there

Maybe the map is smaller

graphics a little worse

but it feels way better in terms of ai

and activities they can do

[bronze ravine]

ai sucked in chasing in the beta

[tawny marsh]

AGW's alternative account?

[bronze ravine]

LMAO

that wouldnt suprise me anymore

[upbeat orbit]

Yeah true, cause it would always get stuck every dash

[upbeat orbit]

I dont even know who that is

I havent been very active on this server since launch I even left it during that time

[bronze ravine]

beta ai had much better idle tasks but other then that full game is better

[tawny marsh]

Yeah.

[upbeat orbit]

Yeah but isn't that kind of a massive point, considering one of their selling points was that you can play around with the neighbors? Kinda pointless if they only have 3 activities

and they add paintcans in a patch

[tawny marsh]

You can play around with the neighbors in the full game, too.

[upbeat orbit]

Ofc

Im pretty sure you can play around with any npc that can walk around and run after you (not saying that's the only thing they do)

[tawny marsh]

I don't see why they would add paint cans while working in such a hurry to complete the game to some extent.

[bronze ravine]

yeah thats true

[upbeat orbit]

Because paint cans are kinda needed to play around with the neighbors in an "open world sandbox experience"

[bronze ravine]

hn2 isnt open world or sandbox anymore at this point

[upbeat orbit]

Yes.

[tawny marsh]

Maybe someday.

[upbeat orbit]

But they advertised it as one

[bronze ravine]

they advertised lots of things for it

[upbeat orbit]

Im aware

[bronze ravine]

the beta idle tasks may come back at some point in the game since theyre still in the files

i just dont get why get rid of them in the first place

the development of this game is so bad

[upbeat orbit]

Same, like people here have been saying that the deep dive isn't fake, I wonder why they remove all the stuff from it then?

Like the board animation is the best example

[bronze ravine]

they didnt remove anything really

[tawny marsh]

Pretty sure it isn't fake.

[bronze ravine]

if you take a closer look the "ai acting smarter" is just mistakes

[tawny marsh]

Alexus told us it was his own design choice, by the way.

[bronze ravine]

for example the ai dropping the crowbar next to the stairs to trick the player was just him going up the stairs to catch the player, losing him, going down, noticing the player, throwing an item at him, losing him again and searching for him up the stairs, and going back down again

[upbeat orbit]

The neighbor dropped the crowbar he didnt throw it

I think that's pretty obvious

unless thats how they coded throwing into him

dropping it next to his feet

[tawny marsh]

Throwing was really broken in the beta, so I wouldn't be very surprised.

[bronze ravine]

thats because it was broken

[bronze ravine]

yep

[upbeat orbit]

Woah

Mostly the reason why I prefer old alphas and stuff more is the artstyle and overall vibe of the game (which is, obviously my personal opinion)

Like for example the museum looks so warm colored now, when in deep dive it looked really cold colored which looked better imp

Im not saying the fg is bad im saying I personally didn't enjoy it a lot, it was okay, and think that they advertised a whole different game

[tawny marsh]

I was honestly pretty relieved to see the new artstyle.

[bronze ravine]

old artstyle was definetly much more unique but didnt fit with any of the npcs except the guest
new artstyle fits with all the new npcs

[upbeat orbit]

I think it looks a lot like hn1 but just with better graphics

[upbeat orbit]

That's true, but in early alphas he was like the main antagonist

and I think it still fitted mr peterson, but I understand the other ones

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[halcyon matrix]

great addition

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