#Updates are absolutely DESTROYING the AI

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fickle spindle
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what are you talking about i dont have patch 1 and the dumb ai stops every 5 sec

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i closed a door right in front of the cop and he stopped chasing me and went to the porch

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wait are you playing on console

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nvm

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yeah... no difference

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one stops in his tracks and chases you for 5 sec then loses you

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the other loses track to...

fickle spindle
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while i disagree that the updates are distroying the ai cause they are the same still and before patch 1 ai wasent amazing i still agree that patch 7 should be about upgrading the ai

pliant needle
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"HN2 AI on the launch was amazing, barely froze"
Im sorry but this sentence is dead wrongneighborlol

proper dove
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HOW!? On launch the AI barely functioned. Now it's extremely advanced and difficult to overcome. The release day AI freezes up loads, while the revamped one doesn't most of the time.

fiery epoch
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I thought the ai got better at chasing you in patch 6

manic nebula
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I’m a console player, and the AI is only decent it’s able to chase you, but you can easily lose it, just run around and jump the AI and it can’t do nothing, meanwhile from what I’ve seen in Patch 6, the AI can actually chase you well, and it’s impossible to juke it, and can still cut corners, all you have to do is go through the bathroom window and run to the kitchen back door and the Mayor will already be there.

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I do agree, there should be a Patch ONLY focused on AI

fiery epoch
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Otto's ai on ps4 sucked for me. Like sometimes he would lose me if I was in the same room as him.

willow shoal
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"HN2 AI on launch was amazing, barely Froze, could keep up with the player"
Me when i lie

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Either that or bro is straight up from an alternate universe

fiery epoch
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He probably just had a really good PC with high fps

frosty flicker
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this whole post is just a lie what

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"ai barely froze and was amazing" no it was not???????

grave ember
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frosty flicker
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yet from what ive seen the ai had only gotten better every update

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according to this big brained guy here the ai sucks now and launch version was perfect

grave ember
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frosty flicker
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"ai never cuts you off since patch 6"
yes because it sure did cut you off in any other version right

willow shoal
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the only time the AI cut you off was when running in circles around the shelf with Gerda in the Bakery

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and that like barely even classifies as cutting the player off

twilit scaffold
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You guys are clueless why do you think I provided a video showing what I'm saying lol

twilit scaffold
grave ember
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twilit scaffold
manic nebula
# frosty flicker this whole post is just a lie what

It kinda scares me cuz TB only check the post and not the post feeds, so that mean TB will actually take this as a consideration and EGS will think of making the AI more like launch version 💀, which as a console player, YOU DO NOT WANT.

manic nebula
twilit scaffold
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hence the video lol

frosty flicker
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please stop talking or else youre going to get egs to ruin their game by bringing back their old ai

twilit scaffold
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The launch AI was better anyway besides the features they added

frosty flicker
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it was not

twilit scaffold
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just play the launch version again you will see what I mean

frosty flicker
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someones living in denial..

twilit scaffold
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Go watch the video lol its literally proof

frosty flicker
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yeah somehow got worse for you and better for everyone else

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youre either playing on an old save or using some weird mods that cause this

twilit scaffold
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just go in the game and lock it to 30fps lol

frosty flicker
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..what the hell is the point of that supposed to be??

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why would i lock my game to 30 fps

twilit scaffold
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to see the bad AI

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it depends on fps

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and the old AI is far better

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Like I said, watch the video

frosty flicker
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so ai is worse if i lock my fps so they should bring back their launch day ai that was bad because its better when your game is locked to 30 fps

twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
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yeah logic right

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it isnt

twilit scaffold
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Its in the video lol

pliant needle
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Console AI is not good

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never was

twilit scaffold
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in patch 6

pliant needle
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no

twilit scaffold
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test it lol

frosty flicker
pliant needle
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I have the game on both PS4 and PC and i can assure you console AI is not better

final quarry
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Listen while the ai has definitely improved I must agree with agw that while in the console cutting of mechanic was bad it really did cut you off a tiny bit and I hope they fix

frosty flicker
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oh my god you call us clueless while youre literally denying someone that has console and can tell the ai is worse

twilit scaffold
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Console AI isnt better than pc, launch AI was better and had way better navigation

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I have console and pc lol

pliant needle
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Console AI is the launch AI though?

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
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yeah it improved a lot

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since the updates

final quarry
twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
pliant needle
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Updates didnt made the navigation worse though. AGW what are you talking about???

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
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I have it in the video I posted

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I dont know what you want from me lol its video proof

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how are you gonna deny that lol

frosty flicker
final quarry
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They must fix the ai not cutting us off. They must it can’t just chase you

twilit scaffold
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Launch AI doesnt even freeze at 30fps

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
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@final quarry you would know that

frosty flicker
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ai cutting off never worked

twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
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no it doesnt

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skull emoji

twilit scaffold
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thats the only good thing about the AI

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that made it fun

frosty flicker
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??????

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someone please help i think my brain is no longer brain augh..

twilit scaffold
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If the AI doesnt cut us off the AI is just HN1 ai but worse navigation and slower

frosty flicker
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what is this guy talking about anymore😭

pliant needle
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AGW playing a different build of HN2neighborlol

twilit scaffold
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I have every single build of hn2 l0ol

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and AI gets gradually worse the later we get

frosty flicker
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me when i lie

final quarry
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Like all I think they has to do is fix the ai not cutting us off and then it will be good.

frosty flicker
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geniuenly delete this lying piece of feedback before egs actually ends up ruining the game again

pliant needle
frosty flicker
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it froze whenever it tried to

twilit scaffold
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it didnt freeze

pliant needle
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???

twilit scaffold
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it tried to turn in place

final quarry
frosty flicker
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it freezes less often and if the ai can chase me thats good enough i do not care about cutting off i care about ai chasing properly

twilit scaffold
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the AI doesnt freeze when close to you, it was an intentional feature, which was stupid

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
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I just explained lol

frosty flicker
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my head hurts

final quarry
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Why are everyone so mad lol

frosty flicker
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launch day ai always froze when it started chasing you

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it does it less now
still does but not as much

twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
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and youre literally lying to youself by telling you otherwise

twilit scaffold
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freezing is what I showed in the end of the video

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
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No its not

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its a completely different thing

frosty flicker
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yes it is the ai freezes in order to turn in place

twilit scaffold
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Its completely different from the freezing in freeroam for example

frosty flicker
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freeroam is the same as not freeroam..

twilit scaffold
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Oh your out of your mind

frosty flicker
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sigh
bye i need to do other stuff

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i refuse to believe youre trolling

twilit scaffold
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Im not trolling

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I even have the dev version of the game to see how the AI works

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And the system is amazing

manic nebula
twilit scaffold
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show it chasing you

final quarry
twilit scaffold
twilit scaffold
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Yes it does lol

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well, better than patch 6

manic nebula
twilit scaffold
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Ill make a video showing whats going on

manic nebula
frosty flicker
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good lie i almost believed it

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and if you meant pre release build
pre release doesnt exactly equal dev build:)

twilit scaffold
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Why would I lie about that lol

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Ill take a screenshot of the AI system

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AI system in the dev version lol

frosty flicker
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this is a debug version which existed in pre release

twilit scaffold
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ok and?

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its the dev version

frosty flicker
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this isnt anything new either youre trying to prove your point by attempting to tell me you have a "developer build"

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my brain is melting are you actually this stupid

twilit scaffold
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its literally the dev build theres nothing to it

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It has no significance I dont know why your even talking about it

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Its not that hard to get just download it from steam db

frosty flicker
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you are the one who started talking about it

twilit scaffold
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You said that I lied so I just wanted to tell you I didnt lol

frosty flicker
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youre literally the one who bringed it up in the first place whta

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
final quarry
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Can we stop arguing

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Please

frosty flicker
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im going to continue arguing until this guy gets rid of this post

twilit scaffold
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Yeah, theres no point in debating, the game is broken and needs to be fixed, can we just agree on that?

final quarry
frosty flicker
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im not going to agree on somehting that is a visible lie

twilit scaffold
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what am I lying about?

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im genuinely curious

pliant needle
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Updates making the AI worse i think

twilit scaffold
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thats all

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I have proof of that so it isnt a lie

frosty flicker
frosty flicker
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i dont

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i dont even

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yeahj i dont know what to say anymore

twilit scaffold
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All im saying is that the AI has gotten worse at CHASING ONLY through the patches and should be fixed

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I will make a video showing what I mean alright?

final quarry
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End of conversation

twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
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see thats what im trying to prove to you
but you instead bring up random old pre release builds and then attempt to say how im the one thats talking about them

twilit scaffold
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I dont want to argue I just want this game to be the best it can be

frosty flicker
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i am not going to watch your videos if all theyre doing is saying "guys this is bad ai guys look"

twilit scaffold
twilit scaffold
twilit scaffold
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You said i was lying, so I sent a SS

frosty flicker
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that has nothing to do with the patches ruining ai???

twilit scaffold
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Your the one who asked

frosty flicker
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show me where i asked

twilit scaffold
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you said I was lying so I showed you I wasnt I mean

frosty flicker
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all i said is that you dont have a developer build and thats called a pre release build where did i say "give me evidence"

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and once again because you seem to not understand until i repeat to you a few times
you made a post about patches making the ai worse and then you proceeded to flex a developer build and use it as one of your arguments

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main point is
this post is a lie and youre still denying even when 10 people tell you that what you said is false.

twilit scaffold
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You guys just don't understand that's why I want to make a video on it

frosty flicker
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i am not going to watch your video

twilit scaffold
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Your just choosing to hate on me lol

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Ik not just gonna rant about the ai

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Yeah because people don't understand

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As you can see

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I don't care if you don't want to like the video or anything in just asking for you to hear me out

frosty flicker
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youre literally lying to the developers which may lead them to ruining their game more how does one not understand that??
just stop and delete it.

twilit scaffold
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I'm self promoting to help them

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Which it is

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
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They said so themselves

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
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Yeah I'm not trying to be rude I just want the game to be better

final quarry
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What is even wrong by to make the ai be able to cut us off I don’t understand why you are so angry

twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
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Ok your just straight up hating lol

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That's not what I want

final quarry
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He said ai cutting you off

twilit scaffold
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I'm just gonna make a video and send it to the devs

final quarry
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Is a problem

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
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Cause it did loo

frosty flicker
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wdym "cutting you off"
he literally explicitly said "launch ai was better"

twilit scaffold
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I showed Trinity live earlier right?

final quarry
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Yea

twilit scaffold
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@final quarry

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Sorry late ping lol

twilit scaffold
willow shoal
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ok

twilit scaffold
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Ok lol

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theres no commentary in the clip but thats fine lol

wooden marsh
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Well, I wouldn't say the patches are DESTROYING the AI, that's a bit too much isn't it? Anyways, the issue you have with the AI is it not cutting you off and losing you quickly, right? Well, the AI has gotten a feature where they start walking to you and their speed increases overtime, which should be fine but it seems to not fire correctly everytime. When the AI loses you even for a split second, a frame, and then starts chasing you again the speed up thing triggers again, which makes it look like a navigation issue, it is not, although it is overall quite a big issue. And as for the cutting off, I do agree that completely removing it was unnecessary, although I also think it is just a bug since the cutting off seems to cancel when the speed up thing triggers. I'm pretty sure this stuff will get fixed in the upcoming patches. I hope y'all understand now.

twilit scaffold
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even though not cutting the player off is still pretty bad

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They didnt remove the cutting off they just disable it once the AI reaches a certain distance from you

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which works great when it works lol

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Also, the way it speeds up, it does that while its chasing you, even if it doesnt lose you at all, Im pretty sure thats a feature to show the AI is tired, but Im not sure, either way, its pretty cool

manic nebula
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In many of AGWs clips, he’s clearly outside which the AI doesn’t need to cut players off at.

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Anyways kokosko answered everything

fickle spindle
twilit scaffold
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Never said the console ai didn't suck lol

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And I've remade this post so I'll probably delete this, no reason for me to keep it

fiery epoch
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The only good ai on console was Nielson and Gerda. After that the ai sucked at chasing you. You could literally just crouch and walk away. (Mr Peterson could sometimes catch you crouching in the boss fight since he's a lot faster)

wet python
fickle spindle
fickle spindle
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patch 6 has better ai

twilit scaffold
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Yeah thats obvious but the navigation compaired to launch is just worse

foggy saddle
foggy saddle
willow shoal
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also you mentioned a thing completely different from what they were talking about

frosty flicker
manic nebula
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And that wasn’t even the topic

pliant needle
fickle spindle
grave ember
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One message removed from a suspended account.

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One message removed from a suspended account.

willow shoal
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I remember when people used to hate the HN2 Alphas but apparently now that the FG released everyone changed their mind and theyre now "peak" and "amazing"...

grave ember
proper dove
# twilit scaffold better than pc at the same fps

AGW man I love you but you're not proving a good point deleting your original message and completely hyping up everyone with the title only to go back and say that it's only slightly worse in open areas.

hot warren
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What AI lol

wet python
hot warren
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No need for that

willow shoal
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is this guys entire thing just straight up insulting people for not liking old stuff

pliant needle
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Probably

wet python
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This guy is definitely an idiot, a bigger one personally, not freeing people to have an opinion

wet python
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@young shoal

dense rover
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Okay i am actually sorry

wet python
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No no no, Bye bye, loser

young shoal
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be nice please

wet python
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Thanks, man

dense rover
wet python
pliant needle
dense rover
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And I get off or do you want to continue

wet python
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I can continue to talk to the mods to get you in trouble, how's that offer?

dense rover
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I okay fine

young shoal
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let's stop here
Mayor_thumbsup

dense rover
wet python
dense rover
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I sorry and I guess everyone likes different stuff anyways

young shoal
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ty all

dense rover
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Ok I am getting off discord

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Bye

half goblet
cosmic summit
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As a console player I play on Xbox and I had gotten deluxe edition and stayed up the night it released to play it. The AI wasn’t great but it was good enough like doing things properly or Gerda seeing the player through open spots on the shelf. Unfortunately when they updated the Xbox version fixing very few issues for some reason the AI got more broken and froze more often and got stuck easily as well as getting stuck in animations and is still that way till now until we get the next patches. As far as I know the AI does cut you off on consoles but it’s only happened in a few places.

wicked turtle
willow shoal
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in the universe where HN2 won Game of The Year

shrewd obsidian
hot warren
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Imagine game of the year with VR

fickle spindle
lusty spindle
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I don't see the original message anymore, but the fact that the AI keeps weirdly changing with every patch, is true. when they added the under desk animations, they could catch me under the desk. now that they added the wardrobe thing, the under the desk thing either works or not (5/3 times, it doesn't work)

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
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just so you know
you deleted the original post but the people who quoted your message didnt delete their messages:)

hot warren
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Lololol

twilit scaffold
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unless we are talking about xbox ai at the beginning of the game

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which didnt freeze and I have proof of that lol

frosty flicker
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you literally said it yourself and now youre denying your own points
"on launch the ai was perfect, barely froze" is EXACTLY what you said
mr. apple was quoting YOU

twilit scaffold
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If you want a video, just ask

frosty flicker
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..?????

twilit scaffold
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and even that quote is partially true if we are talking about xbox ai at the beginning of the game

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All your trying to do is argue, Im trying to make this game better

frosty flicker
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the whole reason the previous argument started is because you made feedback that said that the launch ai was perfect and didnt freeze
then you deleted your own message and said that youve never said anything like that while you clearly did.

twilit scaffold
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And if the post is deleted, why are you still trying to argue with me?

frosty flicker
twilit scaffold
frosty flicker
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great so even if you didnt mean that then you still said it and you just only now said that you worded it wrong

twilit scaffold
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I didnt know I would have to explain this in depth what I meant

frosty flicker
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anyway
no longer responding because im generally busy today
and dont feel like talking with people who just cant simply admit to being completely wrong

twilit scaffold
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Yes lol you are, you could of just asked me to reword the message or just ask what I meant instead of arguing that Im trying to do something Im clearly not

fickle spindle
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stop acting like you know everything

twilit scaffold
pliant needle
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Every copy of HN2 is personalized

And AGW definitely got the version where AI didnt freezenickyshrug
Totally real...

fickle spindle
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stop lying when i played the game and replayed it and its dogwater no matter what

twilit scaffold
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I will if you want

fickle spindle
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yyes

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do show

twilit scaffold
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Alright give me a sec I will record it right now

fickle spindle
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it better be from console

twilit scaffold
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Well you can do this bug on pc if you lock it to 30fps but if you want I can record it on console as well

fickle spindle
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pls do

twilit scaffold
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Alright just give me a second to record it

final quarry
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why is people so angry in my opinion the new ai is definitely better but the launch ai tried to cut you off while the new one doesn’t so hopefully they fix it. Otherwise the new ai is much better. I’m on Xbox

pliant needle
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Were not angry at you
Were angry at AGW who is saying that console AI (The launch version) was better than the patch 6 AI

twilit scaffold
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once again im not saying that

pliant needle
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Then what are you saying??

final quarry
twilit scaffold
pliant needle
twilit scaffold
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It is

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Im about to prove it

pliant needle
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Cool
Prove then

pliant needle
pliant needle
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Because i know damn well that its not true on Ps4

twilit scaffold
final quarry
pliant needle
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Xbox AI is the launch AI

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Which is the AI that AGW is saying was better

twilit scaffold
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which it is, in terms of navigation

fickle spindle
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how...

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HOW

twilit scaffold
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Go test it right now

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it will be the same

pliant needle
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Ive never in my life saw the Launch AI not freezing like this
It is a coincidence that it didnt freeze for you

twilit scaffold
fickle spindle
twilit scaffold
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just accept it its not that hard

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I have proof to show them

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just stop arguing

pliant needle
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Well let me record proof then

fickle spindle
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hey what settings did you use

twilit scaffold
pliant needle
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İ will record the AI on Ps4

twilit scaffold
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there are no graphic settings

fickle spindle
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i mean frame locking

twilit scaffold
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it only happens there

twilit scaffold
fickle spindle
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im not restarting my game but yeah man im almost convinced

pliant needle
final quarry
twilit scaffold
fickle spindle
pliant needle
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Then ig its just PS4

fickle spindle
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i just restart my console and it works

pliant needle
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Free roam doesnt exist on the ps4 version

fickle spindle
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rip

twilit scaffold
final quarry
fickle spindle
twilit scaffold
fickle spindle
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what i mean by smart is tables closets etc

final quarry
pliant needle
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I swear to god
The not freezing AI is just for you AGW
Nobody else's launch AI was like this

twilit scaffold
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the bug doesnt happen on ps4

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im sorry but xbox this does happen

pliant needle
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Yes
But i also played HN2 on pc at launch

twilit scaffold
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@final quarry can agree right?

pliant needle
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And the AI was absolutely not like this

twilit scaffold
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Thats because this bug only happened with 30fps

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locked 30fps

final quarry
pliant needle
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Were not talking about the AI cutting off
Were talking about the freezing

twilit scaffold
twilit scaffold
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or I am at least

final quarry
twilit scaffold
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launch chasing vs patch 6 chasing

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no commentary so dont worry

final quarry
twilit scaffold
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If i said something like "Like my video its really good" then that would count as self promo

final quarry
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Ok

twilit scaffold
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i mean I may be wrong but they dont ever remove the clips I make so Ill go with that until proven otherwise lol

hot warren
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Video too long didn't watch

wet python
twilit scaffold
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that is not saying anything

wet python
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You did

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Your just being hypocritical

twilit scaffold
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How lol

hot warren
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How not tbh

twilit scaffold
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Look, we all want the same thing right?

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for the AI to be better

hot warren
twilit scaffold
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And if the launch version was better in some ways, I will let them know

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obviously patch 6 is overall better

wet python
hot warren
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Wouldn't know 🫠

twilit scaffold
wet python
twilit scaffold