lore-discussion

[silver vine]

so, its Mya's?

[loud tartan]

Bone roth

[errant hazel]

maybe

hiding her corpse?

from police?

kinda dark

AlSo HaVe YoU wAtChEd My SuPeR rEaL tHeOrY?

[shy bolt]

Just had a timeline theory so the posters in hn2 are saying nicky is missing and we all know that he escaped well what if the police in hn2 thinks he’s still missing but he’s actually not missing

[tribal talon]

OMG

[tribal talon]

yes bcs he escape from basement and nobody knows that

That’s wrong

When you go to bed in hn2

Nicky is marked as ticked (found)

[tawdry blaze]

well yeah but where the heck is he before you go sleep lol

[tribal talon]

He escaped the Neighbors house

Remember act two is memory

[tawdry blaze]

actually i think i have an even better explaination, maybe the HN2 player(i forgor his name) got one of nicky's old missing posters and was trying to find WHERE he was when the neighbor got him

[tribal talon]

Not everything was there like the going fences

[tribal talon]

His name was Quinten

[tawdry blaze]

well yeah but i dont think that happens while quinten sleeps

[tawdry blaze]

oh thanks

[tribal talon]

It does

Cuz the next day Nicky is marked as found

[tame mural]

quentin

[tribal talon]

Sorry

[tawdry blaze]

so like does quenitonito el 5th sleep for a whole day

[tribal talon]

No at night

[tawdry blaze]

but hn act1 happens during the day im pretty sure

[tribal talon]

After months act two happens

Nicky was being kept captive by Peterson for months

[tawdry blaze]

oh right sorry act 1 is him trying to get to the basement, i meant act 2 when hes trynna escape

[tribal talon]

Also

In act one the real lore is that Nicky wasn’t detected by Peterson until he got into the basement then Peterson realised something was off…

The basement door was open…

[wicked heath]

Dats book lore

[tribal talon]

Well it’s the game lore to

[wicked heath]

And the first trilogy has a particular amount of innaccuracies

[tribal talon]

In a way?

[tame mural]

Books lore's great tho

[tawdry blaze]

good lord were starting to mix book and game lore now?

[tribal talon]

Because if some kid kept on breaking in to my house

[tawdry blaze]

i would have a family friendly tea party with him ngl

[tribal talon]

I would call the police

Peterson allready has a big body count.

Why was those messages deleted

[wicked heath]

Mine?

[tribal talon]

And his

[tawdry blaze]

im pretty sure in game lore he only kidnaps nicky and his son aaron

[wicked heath]

No i did it

[tribal talon]

Oh ok

How

Your not a mod

I can’t

[tawdry blaze]

yes bc im innocent and wont murder kids if they get in my house

[wicked heath]

No i meant MY things

Not theirs

[stiff spire]

how do you guys think hn2 will end I'd imagine the news coming and the neighbor will be in an orange jumpsuit in a mugshot

[tribal talon]

Ok

[tribal talon]

No

[wicked heath]

He does in both books and games

[tribal talon]

Because

[tribal talon]

Actully I don’t know

[tawdry blaze]

yeah but like what about secret neighbor

[tribal talon]

Um

[tawdry blaze]

does he cannonicaly not catch any of the kids

[wicked heath]

Sn is the children imagination

[tribal talon]

It’s in kids imagination

[wicked heath]

[tribal talon]

Yea what he said

[tawdry blaze]

or the game could just be a spinoff

[tribal talon]

Like all the cosmetics

[wicked heath]

!!!

[tribal talon]

And the moon secret

[tawdry blaze]

such a moment

[tribal talon]

Real lore

[tawdry blaze]

i guess that explains it then

[tribal talon]

Totally not overused lore explanation.

[tawdry blaze]

true

kinda weird tho, why would they imagine themselves breaking into a random dude's house and get into the dude's basement?

[tribal talon]

Cuz

He kidnapped there friend (Nicky)

[wicked heath]

They are making PLANS

[tawdry blaze]

idk seems like a funky thing to thing about

[tribal talon]

Yes and making plans like Freeze said

[wicked heath]

Mostly to investigate

[tawdry blaze]

and do they end up doing their plans or do they just give up on them

[wicked heath]

AS probably gonna answer that

[tribal talon]

Proboly give up on them

On the animated series ep1

Nicky was the leader kinda

He coordinated everything so I dont think they would break in without Nicky

Nicky knows the most about Peterson

[wicked heath]

The scripts imply they are still following mr Peterson and episode one introduces the moments where sn would normally take place

[wicked heath]

Also Trinity:
We have to get back into that house

[tribal talon]

Ok

True

But they would be much more successful with Nicky

[wicked heath]

Also also: according to the books, Enzo is as determined to find Nicky as Nicky did to find Aaron

[tribal talon]

Ok

I need to get all of the books

[tawdry blaze]

so does that mean he cares more about nicky than aaron

[tribal talon]

No

I don’t think

Maybe though since Enzo isn’t really in contact with Aaron

[tawdry blaze]

i mean he kinda did say he didnt wanna help nicky breaking into peterson's house, but he did anyway

[tribal talon]

So no I dint think

[wicked heath]

Aaron literally disgusts Enzo

[tribal talon]

Why

[wicked heath]

Cus Aarons father made fun of Lucys death

[tawdry blaze]

oh wheres that juicy part of the lore i havent heard of

[tribal talon]

Who is Lucy?

Oh

His wife

[wicked heath]

That girl who died in the park

[wicked heath]

Omg

[tribal talon]

Oh

[wicked heath]

No

[tawdry blaze]

oh

[tribal talon]

That stoops down to the lowest…

That’s horrible

[wicked heath]

Not Diane. Lucy Yi the 7yo kid

Anyway, mr Peterson is poking fun of a real bad tragedy and Enzo hates the whole Peterson family

Whereas he doesn’t care about Aaron

[tawdry blaze]

i mean it does kinda sound fair, but also doesnt bc why hate a whole family bc of one single person

[wicked heath]

Bc dudes a jerk (kindof)

[echo bane]

it's all in the books

[tribal talon]

Hello Neighbor lore is toxic

[tawdry blaze]

man i really need to read the books

[tribal talon]

Me to

[tawdry blaze]

the whole town of raven brooks is toxic lol

[wicked heath]

No wonder he doesn’t want to sneak in the peterson house at first

[tribal talon]

It’s every man for himself

[wicked heath]

Until Nicky got involved

[tawdry blaze]

me when the mayor does a sas face whne quenton almost drives him over

[tribal talon]

Nicky is his friend

So he wad do a favour

[echo bane]

yea, i wanna read them but i can't bc my mom doesn't trust amazon and they don't sell them in my country, so i just spoiled a bit for myself

[tribal talon]

God now I rethink Detective mains in sn

[wicked heath]

Me?

[tribal talon]

Oh

[tawdry blaze]

detective mains explaining why detective is the most helpful class

[tribal talon]

True

[wicked heath]

Hey! Neighbor stashed the key in a corner under the stairs

[tribal talon]

Scout comes in

:Leader and Scout has entered the chat.

[wicked heath]

There goes 6 locks in 3 minutes! Watch

enters Dream mode

[tribal talon]

Let’s talk in sn chat

[tawdry blaze]

nah i meant that bc most of them keep the pics to themselves

[tawdry blaze]

probably a good idea

[tribal talon]

Dream cheats bruh

[wicked heath]

True lol

[tribal talon]

So you cheat?!?!?!?!

(Joke)

Ok let’s talk in sn

[tawdry blaze]

ayo i am reporting crying and uh something else you rn!!

[wicked heath]

I never bother telling my teammates. I just ask em to follow me

[tawdry blaze]

me when someone asks me to follow them

[tribal talon]

Always go in packs of 3-4

[wicked heath]

(Lets say we know who the neighbor is)

We gud?

[tribal talon]

It’s the dam default bagger

Run

https://tenor.com/view/usagyuuun-running-to-you-running-towards-you-he-coming-he-is-coming-gif-23876795

[tawdry blaze]

how do i know he isnt disguised has you

[tribal talon]

Yea

[tawdry blaze]

oh ok i cant say that word

woopsies

[tribal talon]

What

[tawdry blaze]

starts with a b and ends with a a

[tribal talon]

Oh ok

[wicked heath]

Hit me

[tawdry blaze]

no ill bat you instead

[tribal talon]

How will that help

[wicked heath]

(Insert the joker saying hit me)

[wicked heath]

If i sound like anyone else other than Detective, run

[tribal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-batgirl-robin-barbara-gordon-bruce-wayne-gif-18759064

Oh yea you could be disguised

Talk in sn chat before we get warned

[tawdry blaze]

yeaaah

[solemn shoal]

I got behind the curtain in hello neighbor 2

[wicked heath]

Keith lore when

[tribal talon]

Who Keith again

I’m brain dead

[wicked heath]

That cop from the books

[tribal talon]

Him ok

Thanks

[ripe berry]

Keith F. Newsoms Nielsen

[tame mural]

Lol

[fast marten]

his name is lopice!!!!

[stiff spire]

lopicenam

[toxic mist]

Ok but like why tho

[ancient violet]

I’m convinced the guest has something to do with the forest protectors or is one

[wicked heath]

Hes not

[wicked heath]

Books show him seperate from the forest protectors

[ancient violet]

Which one?

[wicked heath]

7

[ancient violet]

Reset day?

[wicked heath]

Yes

[ancient violet]

Ok thx

[vagrant shard]

hi

[ripe berry]

@remote wave

[inner ore]

Catch me up on hn1's full lore lol

[remote wave]

yea?

[ripe berry]

Hello Neighbor 1 or the entire francishe?

*Franchise

[inner ore]

The entire franchise

[remote wave]

search it on youtube

or watch iggy plejer

[ripe berry]

Well, Imma just send a lore document that Gavin made

[inner ore]

Go ahead

[oblique drum]

@remote wave

alphas and betas arent canon because:

1. those were early stages, they had almost zero story

2. nicky was supposed to be neighbors son, but he wasnt when the full game released, and in the books nicky isnt the son of the neighbor

[inner ore]

Who dat?

[ripe berry]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AcAI9lMucsQW_4F-20n6OdBkCnRdKZ0Ku4qTB6kpi20/edit

[stiff spire]

before the events of hn1 the neighbor has a loving family but it goes into hell because his wife died in a car crash and his son pushed his sister off a cliff and the neighbor locks his son up and that's where hn1 starts

[ripe berry]

This is Gavin's lore document

[remote wave]

youtuber from serbia, if you understand serbian?

[oblique drum]

so if nicky isnt the son of the neighbor in the books

but is in the alphas/betas

then that means that alphas cant be canon because the priorotized version is full game

[remote wave]

sorry

i didnt read the books

[inner ore]

Oof don't

[remote wave]

sorry then

[ripe berry]

Treat newer information as more canon then older information

[inner ore]

It's cool

[inner ore]

Thx mate

[remote wave]

i realized story from his videos

[ripe berry]

Like the Alpha's have Nicky as the Neighbor's son, but the full game and the books don't

[stiff spire]

what if in an alternate universe nicky was the neighbor's son we probably wouldn't have gotten the guest

[remote wave]

do you guys know where to buy hn books in croatia

[ripe berry]

Yes

[ripe berry]

No,

[stiff spire]

or Ike and quentin

[oblique drum]

yeah, and since full game is the only version that is supposed to relate to hn1 the alphas cant be canon

[inner ore]

Damn thats good but i don't understand Siberian unfortunately

[ripe berry]

I don't

[inner ore]

Wait there are hn books

[stiff spire]

yup

[remote wave]

serbian*. but thats ok

[ripe berry]

Yed

[remote wave]

yup

[inner ore]

I didn't know hn franchise was that expanded

[oblique drum]

(peppermint)

[inner ore]

My bad

[remote wave]

np

[stiff spire]

I remember I bought missing pieces in my book fair back at 2018

[ripe berry]

Let me name them all for you

[inner ore]

Damn that's cool , hn franchise is far bigger than i thought

[inner ore]

Alright

[stiff spire]

they even have a board game

[native jetty]

Neighbor is roblox player confirmed

[stiff spire]

what if hello neighbor ended with only hn1

[inner ore]

👀

He's still naming them 👀

[ripe berry]

Hello Neighbor: Missing Pieces, Hello Neighbor: Waking Nightmare, Hello Neighbor: Buried Secrets, Hello Neighbor: Bad Blood, Hello Neighbor: Grave Mistakes, Hello Neighbor: Puzzle Master, The Neighbor's Notebook: The official guide to Hello Neighbor, Hello Neighbor: The Secret of the Bosco Bay (Graphic Novel 1), Hello Neighbor: Reset Day, Hello Neighbor: The Raven Brooks Disaster (Graphic Novel 2)

[remote wave]

you know that crow costume in neighbors act 1 house basement in hn2 beta? its a little bit different than the alpha 1 crow costume. that costume is from aaron, because in the hn2 alpha 1.5 trailer there were 3 kids and one was in that costume. and that costume is in the act1 basement. who was in that basement? AARON

[ripe berry]

It's not just in the Alpha 1.5 trailer

It's in the Alpha 1.5

[remote wave]

yea

in the attic

[inner ore]

I wonder , i saw that the neighbour was locked in that cabinet on top of the house in hn2 alpha 1 , but then he's outside at the end

[ripe berry]

I treat the characters as canon due to references to them but the events of HN2 A1.5 aren't

[remote wave]

that means, that the old crow kidnapped the kids in the attic in alpha 1

[inner ore]

Am i wrong or sum

[fiery otter]

I personally took the crow costume in the basement as evidence toward Peterson being the Guest

[inner ore]

Big HN fan right here

[remote wave]

the crow is his friend that is helping him. they faked it and he wasnt actually in the attic

[ripe berry]

The Beta is newer information, so it's more canon

[remote wave]

here too

[stiff spire]

you guys remember empathy

[remote wave]

who?

[inner ore]

I see , that alpha made me belive that he is the crow itself 👀

[inner ore]

Ye

[ripe berry]

Hello Guest nostagia

[fiery otter]

Because if the Neighbor was the Guest and he had to hide his crow costume somewhere in the house, he'd hide it in the basement

[stiff spire]

those were the times

[remote wave]

who is she?

[stiff spire]

empathy?

[inner ore]

Who is Peterson

The neighbour ?

[fiery otter]

yes

[stiff spire]

yup

[ripe berry]

Yes

[remote wave]

the hello guest girl?

yea

[inner ore]

I see

[remote wave]

im the neighbor then

[ripe berry]

Nicky is the HN1 Protag

[oblique drum]

also the beta:

[stiff spire]

nope empathy was a speculated game to come out during 2019

[ripe berry]

Mya is the Hide and Seek player character

[remote wave]

yes

she is neighbors daughter and his son killed her

[ripe berry]

But still

[stiff spire]

this was one of the teasers for "empathy"

[ripe berry]

What else do we have for more Canon HN2 info

[remote wave]

so he locked her into the basement

[stiff spire]

the neighbor looked like he got really sick

[oblique drum]

him*

[ripe berry]

*him

[oblique drum]

she died and was buried

[remote wave]

sorry

i typed it wrong

[remote wave]

so, is the neighbor the crow in hello guest, but he isnt in alpha 1?

[inner ore]

I'm js gonna remember y'all , js incase i need more info , thx @remote wave @ripe berry @oblique drum

[stiff spire]

nope

[ripe berry]

NP

[stiff spire]

probably they wanted to make the neighbor the guest actually like maybe he knitted himself a suit

[remote wave]

no problem

[stiff spire]

but now the guest is just a figment of fear and imagination

[remote wave]

yea

[remote wave]

i think guest is helping neighbor

[stiff spire]

maybe

[ripe berry]

Guest is a demon of some kind

[ripe berry]

Why have tinyBuild done this

[stiff spire]

it would be cool to see a hn game in the future focus on more darker tones

like maybe the neighbor goes to prison in hn3 and he is on death sentence but escapes

I don't think that'd happen though

[remote wave]

because in the start of hn2 alpha 1 he was "locked" in an attic and in the end he wasnt

[remote wave]

yea, if its true then its really stupid

[wicked heath]

Because he never was

[remote wave]

yea

[remote wave]

thats what im saying, they faked it

[wicked heath]

orrr Quentin thought wrong

[ripe berry]

Nicky, Trinity, and Aaron are in the Basement before Act 2 starts

[fiery otter]

I'd like to know the fate of Fake Neighbor and MITH

[ripe berry]

We know Trinity's in there due to AS ep. 2 teasers

[remote wave]

i know it, in the end of hn hide and seek you could see him burrying her (im not so good at english)

[fiery otter]

Why the heck is Trinity in there

[ripe berry]

MitH is still canon

[remote wave]

is tritiny from hello guest?

[fiery otter]

I saw the AS ep. 2 teaser

[ripe berry]

Fake Neighbor I don't know

[fiery otter]

but its like

[remote wave]

what is mith and as?

[ripe berry]

No, Trinity is the Leader from SN

[remote wave]

ooooh

[fiery otter]

Why in the world would Peterson put Trinity down there?

[ripe berry]

AS = Animated Series

[remote wave]

thx

[ripe berry]

MitH is this man

[stiff spire]

what if the neighbor's design for hn2 was like the design from the books that would be cool

[remote wave]

thx

[remote wave]

i like the hn1 neighbor better than hn2

[stiff spire]

same but I guess things have to change sometimes

[ripe berry]

MitH stands for Man in the Hat, which is what the files call him

[ripe berry]

yes

[remote wave]

yea

[ripe berry]

agreed

[remote wave]

my guy is chad💪 @ripe berry

[stiff spire]

I mean they were originally going to use the neighbor's artstyle from hn1 but tweaked a little bit

[remote wave]

what is that

i cant load it

oh

[stiff spire]

facial animation from 2020

[wicked heath]

test-model

[remote wave]

i see it now

[ripe berry]

Also the woman from Hello Guest (Named Beatrix) is also canon based off of what we know at the moment

[stiff spire]

the neighbor sure has changed since the first game

[remote wave]

i like that better than what we got

[stiff spire]

he had a peanut head but the hn2 neighbor is less like a peanut head

[remote wave]

i like peanut head better

[ripe berry]

Here's a singular image of the Mr.Peterson from this GIF

[remote wave]

i like that better than what we got in hn1 and hn2

[stiff spire]

old theodore (ok I'll stop lol)

[remote wave]

xD

[stiff spire]

hello neighbor 3 leak

[remote wave]

xD

[tribal talon]

The neighbor couldnt be the guest because of the body

[remote wave]

yea

[remote wave]

i think the guest is neighbors friend because of this

[tribal talon]

Idk

Would be kinda wierd

[formal dome]

hi

[stiff spire]

welcome

[ripe berry]

The body shape is just a holdover from Hello Guest

So we ignore that

Also there's this

[tribal talon]

I have a theory on animated series last ep

[ripe berry]

What is it?

[tribal talon]

1: They all stop mr.Peterson doing something and celebrate

2: They meet up as adults and stuff happens.

Idk

[remote wave]

is that a book?

[loud tartan]

Those are Graphic novels

[tribal talon]

It’s not loading

Which graphic is it

[loud tartan]

The second one

[tribal talon]

Ok

Thanks

[ripe berry]

yes

Graphic Novel 2

[opal jackal]

Ok then

So i guess everything in the beta isn't canon

[daring yacht]

yep

[opal jackal]

I wasted my time making theories about the beta

[loud tartan]

It was a no spoilers build so yeah .. you waste your time.

[tribal talon]

Literally nothing in the beta is canon

unless it appears in the FG or is announced as canon

it shouldn't be considered canon

[glacial whale]

The neighbor isn’t canon?

[tribal talon]

[ripe berry]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-fail-fail-fall-bike-bmx-gif-24422010

[solemn shoal]

I was in hello neighbor 2 and I found the shadow figure in the window

[daring yacht]

what shadow figure

[solemn shoal]

look in the window

I will Zoom in

[solemn shoal]

guys Not click bate OMG

lol

[tribal talon]

lol

[tribal talon]

I have a theory

So we all know that in animated series episode 2 Trinity (Leader from secret Neighbor) is going to get kidnapped

The secret Neighbor trailer was teasing it all along

[hexed trench]

do it with guest

[stiff spire]

wdym

[hexed trench]

face app the guest

does that work

[tribal talon]

And I have a theory that Enzo (Detective from secret Neighbor) is going to have something to do with Trinity getting kidnapped

[hexed trench]

hn3 leaked

[tribal talon]

Like in the trailer

[stiff spire]

I'll try that

[remote wave]

wait what where is that from?

[hexed trench]

my mod

[remote wave]

wow its cool

[ripe berry]

Bro, if I played HN on PC I'd play that mod

[fast marten]

download modkit

[tribal talon]

is there a way to download that

[ripe berry]

I use Xbox

[young kayak]

rip

[ripe berry]

Rip indeed

[upbeat plover]

hey guys

is it just me or does beatrix look like diane?

related?

[loud tartan]

Nope

[ripe berry]

No way

[ripe berry]

Kind of but not really

[remote wave]

yea

not same

[ripe berry]

(I use google slides so I don't have to pay for photoshop)

[remote wave]

is this playable? can you download it?

[ripe berry]

It's a mod

and yes

[remote wave]

how can i download it?

[remote wave]

yea i know

[ripe berry]

I don't know

But you can

[remote wave]

who do you guys think the crow is?

[daring yacht]

The guest

[ripe berry]

Crow is demon thing

Crow/Guest is a demon that possesses Mr. Peterson or something like that

[remote wave]

yea but why would he help neighbor?

[remote wave]

can you tell me what possesses means im not good in english

[ripe berry]

Possesses means that it takes over someone/something's body

[remote wave]

oooh

thanks

[ripe berry]

It could be a living being or could not

[remote wave]

but... why would he help the neighbor then

[ripe berry]

No clue

Maybe the full game will give a answer

We don't know why this thing would help Mr. Peterson

[remote wave]

maybe he is the shadow?

[ripe berry]

I mean

The light thing

[remote wave]

what light thing?

[ripe berry]

This

The Guest has a light in there

[remote wave]

yes

[ripe berry]

And the Thing (Shadow) has two lights for eyes

[remote wave]

yea

thats what i wanted to say

[remote wave]

and the shadow was always seen somewhere where is light, you can see it in the end in the dimension where is all white

[ripe berry]

If someone says "now here's the thing" by itself I'll post the shadow (it's named the Thing in the files)

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[remote wave]

xD

[remote wave]

it has to do something with the light

goodbye now

[ripe berry]

Bye

[remote wave]

im going to watch hello neighbor theories

cya

[ripe berry]

cya

[remote wave]

wait😳

i just realized something

i almost forgot about this

but, all 3 of this padlocks are used on something in act 3

and on the end of act 3

you run in this room

and there is some difference

the padlocks arent there

so that means that he maybe wasnt dreaming

because that has to do something with his childhood

because neighbor used these 3 padlocks for another doors and that is why the door on the end of act 3 isnt locked

[lyric zephyr]

No, the locks aren't there because he conquered his fears. The fear rooms shared the colors of the locks on that final door

So it was still in his head.

The locks disappeared bc he overcame the fears connected to them

[ripe berry]

Don't understand the Yellow lock

Since it has no connection to a fear room door

Would've made more sense for it to be the blue lock'

[loud tartan]

||Supermarket||

[ripe berry]

Again, the Blue Lock would make more sense there

[loud tartan]

True

[lyric zephyr]

The yellow lock was probably either originally for Supermarket or Factory or even Hospital

[stiff spire]

what do you guys think would've been the goal and power up for fear hospital

[ripe berry]

Caftory was the Water Room, Sogpital we have no idea about

[lyric zephyr]

Fear Hospital was gonna be where you get the double jump originally I think

[stiff spire]

oh

[ripe berry]

The Power up was "Radiation"

[stiff spire]

I remember seeing concept art of the fear room the pantry

[lyric zephyr]

Fear_Darkness was gonna be where we got the unused "Glowing" ability

[ripe berry]

Oh yeah right

[stiff spire]

and there was an axe on the door and a creepy doll

I can't find it

[ripe berry]

It's called Radiation I'm pretty sure

[tribal talon]

I’m lagging

[lyric zephyr]

Hospital due to its leftover modkit scene where it ended with a loop de loop and ramp it probably caused you to double-jump to get to the end.

Yknow?

Also I don't think it's called radiation

Yeah no it's Emission

[tribal talon]

Metamorphis?

No I’m dum

[stiff spire]

you guys remember the nickys in alpha 3 the ones that chased you

that was creepy but it was a placeholder

[ripe berry]

Lpacelohedrs

[lyric zephyr]

It was funny tbh

[stiff spire]

yeah

[lyric zephyr]

Nicky Army coming for blood

[loud tartan]

Whoops it wasn't an placeholder, it was ||real||

[stiff spire]

if I do remember they said the alpha 3 house would have fog to make it look like a normal house

[remote wave]

i do

[lyric zephyr]

I remember they didn't say it would I think

[ripe berry]

Nicky * 4 = Reaf Yahloosk

[lyric zephyr]

They said that if they put fog over the top at its base it'd look like a normal house

[stiff spire]

that would've been cool

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, but also hard to see what's going on

[remote wave]

maybe to save a doll, like a refference to neighbors wife

[stiff spire]

maybe

[remote wave]

that would be cool

[ripe berry]

Yameb

[lyric zephyr]

I mean at the time of Fear Hospital Nicky was still the Neighbor's son so

I don't think Diane was a thing

[stiff spire]

I think I remember that dark deception did a poll about what crossover they should collaborate with

one of the choices was hello neighbor

[ripe berry]

But in the end, they just made it a dream sequence

[stiff spire]

but people chose yandere simulator

[remote wave]

yea but that would be cool for a full game

[loud tartan]

||Eww Game in development & still an alpha for 10 years||

[ripe berry]

Mai Psekangi Wayron Croobian

[remote wave]

yea but why are same locks used in the house on different places?

[ripe berry]

Oh boy...

[stiff spire]

what if hello neighbor crossovered with dark deception

that would be cool and I wonder what would it have felt like

[lyric zephyr]

because it's associated with Nicky's fears.

[remote wave]

yea

[lyric zephyr]

Act 3 is all in Nicky's head

So they match up with each fear room (Except Yellow for some reason)

[remote wave]

but

do someone know what the green light means

[lyric zephyr]

The green light for Error World was just for a HN1 ARG

It means nothing for the actual lore

[loud tartan]

True

[remote wave]

oh ok thx

[ripe berry]

Reaf Caftory which was removed at the last second: Allow me to introduce myself

[stiff spire]

I think I remember nikita said in one of thr q and a livestreams the green room was supposed to be accessible

[lyric zephyr]

Well Fear Factory was gonna be accessed through the Water Room in Act 3 so

It wouldn't have a lock

[stiff spire]

I hope they make another q and a livestream

so we get more questions answered

[ripe berry]

Or maybe Reaf Sogpital even

[lyric zephyr]

Fear Hospital is a good possibility, but it was scrapped real early on

[loud tartan]

Fear Factory was looking aleardy finished in sort of

[lyric zephyr]

Tbh they should've just made the lock blue

[ripe berry]

They probably forgot to put the Blue lock texture in Act 1 for some reason

[remote wave]

it was easy to get a key for that lock, so maybe that presents something easy?

[lyric zephyr]

Fear Factory = Power Throw
Fear Hospital = Double Jump
Fear Supermarket = Invisibility
Fear Darkness = Emission/Glowing
Fear School = Evade
Man Act 3 would've been like way different with all of these being in their original places

[remote wave]

or maybe something behind something, because a key was behind a door

[ripe berry]

Yeah

And the stuff makes more sense kinda

[remote wave]

yea

[stiff spire]

unused basement door from the beta from the first game maybe this was supposed to represent that we were supposed to not get out of our apartment for some reason

[ripe berry]

Like of course the minigame about turning on a light would give you a light related power

[ripe berry]

That was just made for the trailer

It's a sketch level

Never intended to be used

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[remote wave]

yea but it looks good

i personally dont like the look of an original door

[ripe berry]

Why do you think they made the sketch level?

[remote wave]

?

idk

[ripe berry]

To make it look good for the E3 trailer of course

[remote wave]

oooh

[stiff spire]

there was also the shh scene

pretty interesting how they reused it for the switch trailer

[ripe berry]

Also a part of a sketch level

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[lyric zephyr]

The SHHH scene and the door scene are the same sketch level actually

[stiff spire]

maybe the shh scene was supposed to be really important my guess is the shh scene happens when you go in the back of the neighbor

[lyric zephyr]

If I recall correctly lmao

[stiff spire]

the house

[loud tartan]

It is

[ember sedge]

when will the beta arrive?

[remote wave]

its out😐

[ripe berry]

The Beta is already out

[stiff spire]

yeah

[remote wave]

wait

[ripe berry]

You just need to preorder Hello Neighbor 2 to get it

[remote wave]

aaron has to be connected with the guest

[lyric zephyr]

How?

[ember sedge]

but I can't log in to the XBOX

[ripe berry]

But Aaron isn't the Guest

[loud tartan]

Aaron is still a kid

[remote wave]

but he is connected with it

[lyric zephyr]

Elaborate

[ripe berry]

explain please

[remote wave]

you know 3 kids in start of an alpha 1.5? one is dressed like the guest, but with few differences. and in start he kidnapped kids. the guest kid one is aaron. because on the end of alpha 1.5 on the attic you can see the aarons costume. i know thats aaron because he was locked in neighbors act 1 house. and in basement of act1 house in hn2 beta you can see aarons crow costume

what do you think of that theory?

[ripe berry]

Me and the boys in the Lore Discussion chat explaining our theories:

[loud tartan]

The Beta does not contains any spoilers about the Lore

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[remote wave]

i know

[lyric zephyr]

I'm still on the fence on whether or not the Trick or Treaters are even important to the final story but we'll know that when the full game comes out lmao

[remote wave]

but maybe it will be like that in full game

[ripe berry]

Twood os who wo nood

[remote wave]

i think they are importnant, 3 kids, one dressed as guest👀

[lyric zephyr]

But also they seem like they were made legit just for Alpha 1.5 lmao

Their models are buggy as crap

[remote wave]

i know

but that costume was seen only in alpha 1.5 and then, they added it in beta. why would they do that if it isnt connected?

[lyric zephyr]

But there's 1 big dent in that too

There's also just the Pumpkin Kid costume in the Museum

Meaning the costumes are o l d

At least in the Beta's whole little thing

[remote wave]

whats the problem with them being old?

[lyric zephyr]

Because it'd predate Aaron's entire life lol

[remote wave]

museum can look old after 2 months of leaving it

[lyric zephyr]

Except it's
Way over 2 months
Abandoned, dirty, legit ALL of the wood is chipping and peeling off

The place is warped badly in places

There's a ton of just old junk littered around

And also for the costumes to be displayed in the Museum
They'd have to be a part of the town's history

Still putting it way before Aaron

[remote wave]

and the costume in act1 house is in the locker that has no doors, so that is old

[lyric zephyr]

Alpha 1 and 1.5 ain't canon, at least from what I've seen

[ripe berry]

Sumeum is atleast 2 years old

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, at least 2 years since it shut down

And I mean the very least lol

Since the sign has legit just broken off from the building

And there's a hole caved in through the metal roof

[remote wave]

but that maybe happened after museum got old, but before mya died

[lyric zephyr]

How

[ripe berry]

How

[fiery otter]

Ted wouldn't be putting things on display for people if the museum is closed

[remote wave]

because the grave isnt buried, its buried at half

[fiery otter]

So those things were there before the two Petersons got there

[lyric zephyr]

But it WAS buried, it was DUG UP

[remote wave]

sorry for my bad english

[lyric zephyr]

It wasn't partially dug, it was uncovered

[remote wave]

google translator isnt the best thing

[fiery otter]

We see Peterson bury Mya in the H&S credits

[lyric zephyr]

I did have a kinda theory of my own for a possibility of the Trick Or Treaters being somewhat important.
They're the Baker, Farmer, and some third character.
As kids they had some big run-in with the Guest and ended up escaping or something, idk
Was just trying to find some cool way they could be canon yet not a current mystery

[ripe berry]

Third kid could be Mr. Peterson, explaining why he has the Guest Kid Costume

[remote wave]

yea but in the start of the hn2 beta you could see the doll (manuiqeen if i spelled it good) dressed as a kid and the guest kidnapped or something it. sooooo, maybe the mya and nicki were fake, because the crow grabbed him like the dolls (if im right)

[fiery otter]

I think the trick or treaters are still important to the plot but we don't know how

[lyric zephyr]

I mean it could be Ted but like his only friend was Ike from what we know of the books

So I doubt he'd go out trick or treating with two random kids

[ripe berry]

Or that could also be Ike

[fiery otter]

He could've met Diane in Raven Brooks

And the girl is her

[lyric zephyr]

And also Ted's like 48-52 while the other 2 are like probably in their late 30s

[lyric zephyr]

No??
Ted left Raven Brooks and met Diane while he was gone, that's what's implied by the books

[fiery otter]

Diane does wear greenish blue skirts similar to the candy trick or treater

[ripe berry]

Either way it would explain the Guest Kid Costume in Ted's house

[lyric zephyr]

Ted only came back to Raven Brooks bc his parents died and he inherited the house

[fiery otter]

oh
I'm dumb, I haven't read the books in a while

[ripe berry]

Prehaps Guest Kid could be Leslie or something

I don't know

[lyric zephyr]

We'll know when the Final Game comes out at least

Probably

[ripe berry]

Hopefully

[fiery otter]

Maybe Guest Kid is museum (same size as Peterson's house) disguised as a common American child

[lyric zephyr]

Guest Kid is the Museum

[ripe berry]

What are you talking about?

You sound more insane then me

I mean me when a new HN2 teaser comes out trying to find every piece of lore in it

[fiery otter]

I can now say that the Peterson household is about the same size as the museum. >:)

Well, if you only count the rooms that are used

If you counted all the space in the model then they're not the same size

[ripe berry]

We mean the stuff outside a parenthesis

*The (not a)

[lyric zephyr]

Mmhm, deeeeeefinitely

[fiery otter]

Hmmmmm

[ripe berry]

He said to cut it down to the used rooms

Not the entire building

[fiery otter]

If you take out the unused rooms then like the entire front right side of the museum disappears

[ripe berry]

WAAAaaaaa-

[lyric zephyr]

Fair

But also only the bottom half of the Act 1 house is used

So it evens out

[ripe berry]

And the tool room is unused in the Beta

[fiery otter]

To be fair to Act 1, you can actually go upstairs and there's stuff up there

[lyric zephyr]

But you're not meant to

[fiery otter]

Which is more than I can say for the unused rooms in the museum

[ripe berry]

Mervoe tie Putrasis

[lyric zephyr]

And one of the Museum's unused rooms actually does have something cool in it

There's collisions for a staircase going up to the second floor

To another unused room that'd connect to the living room

[ripe berry]

Actually

It's the room from the Deep Dive

[lyric zephyr]

Yep

[fiery otter]

Yep

[ripe berry]

It has no other connections

[lyric zephyr]

And that room is also named "Living Room"

[fiery otter]

And it's also the room Peterson peeks out of during the cutscene

[lyric zephyr]

Referenced as it and stuff

[ripe berry]

(That we know of)

[lyric zephyr]

And it had ANOTHER entrance to that same room through the Bakery room

The Bakery connected to the Deep Dive room

[ripe berry]

Entrances everywhere

[fiery otter]

What wtf

[lyric zephyr]

There's 3 entrances to the Deep Dive Room leftover in the Museum's model

From the second floor and going down the invisible stairs
From the hallway near the garage
And through the Bakery

And its named "Living Room"

So it was legit just gonna be a normal room lol

[fiery otter]

The Bakery as in Gerda's bakery or the kitchen downstairs that?

[lyric zephyr]

The downstairs kitchen

[ripe berry]

Option B

[lyric zephyr]

Which is a Bakery exhibit

[ripe berry]

The Kitchen

[fiery otter]

I think they purposely closed off some of the rooms for the beta

[lyric zephyr]

Let me pull up the Museum model and put the doorholes back to show y'all

[fiery otter]

So we could have more to do in the full game

[ripe berry]

True

[lyric zephyr]

But now it can finally be laid to rest

The Deep Dive Glowing Door meant nothing

It legit just led to a living room

[ripe berry]

Deep Dive was staged

I can now say that cofindentally

[remote wave]

but the full game will be literally another game, different town, new characters and new mechanics. they literally have 7 months for a full game. thats why they made a poll

[fiery otter]

How DARE you say something that contradicts what tinyBuild says
Forest Protectors, attack!

[fiery otter]

The town will just be an expansion of the beta town

[remote wave]

no

[fiery otter]

Some of the locations will probably be moved around

[ripe berry]

No

[fiery otter]

And added

[ripe berry]

Yes

[ripe berry]

Yes

[remote wave]

no it will probbably not

because there are dev logs on youtube

that show full game

and how will town look like

[fiery otter]

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-oh-no-oh-god-damnit-damn-gif-10780870

[ripe berry]

That is Hello Neighbor 2 Alpha 2

[fiery otter]

The old E3/devlog 1 town was temporary

[ripe berry]

Not Full Game

[fiery otter]

It was the alpha 2 map, the version that didn't release

[remote wave]

i know

[fiery otter]

And it had the rundown artstyle

It takes a long time to make a map for a game

And you have to adjust models accordingly

There's a reason the poles for the museum go so far down

[lyric zephyr]

Behold the true interior of the Deep Dive Room (minus the invisible staircase)

[remote wave]

yea

[ripe berry]

Anyways

Back to where we were

[remote wave]

but why would they make that big map for alpha and smaller for the beta?

[lyric zephyr]

Well the alpha map honestly wasn't really that
"big" per say

From what we saw it was like the HG alphas but with the police stuck at the mall

[remote wave]

yea, thats because they will probbably use rundown artstyle map for full game

[lyric zephyr]

It was legit just 2 areas and empty open world

[fiery otter]

The beta map is actually HUGE

[remote wave]

not so huge

alpha 2 is bigger

[fiery otter]

No they won't. If they were going to use the rundown artstyle then they wouldn't have switched to the normal artstyle

[lyric zephyr]

Alpha 2's map was small gameplay-wise, 2 areas total (the "Hideout" ((which wasn't even a real thing in the footage))) and the Mall (the police were just there)

[fiery otter]

If you go past the invisible walls then there's a huge map about half to 2/3 the size of the HN1 map

Alpha 2 may have been a recreation of the HN1 map but the beta map isn't goo far behind

[remote wave]

they switched to normal artstyle because its easier to make, because its just a beta. why would they make huge map for just one version?

[fiery otter]

Because they're gonna reuse it in the final version, just with more things in it and some adjustments

[lyric zephyr]

They didn't switch to "normal artstyle" because it's easier to make

It's easier on the eye and works better

And we know the "Beta" building style isn't a temporary thing we legit see a PAX cardboard cutout of the Beta Act 1 House with new foliage

And new materials

[fiery otter]

Yeah, and the even artstyle is better for people like me who hate unevenness

[remote wave]

and why they didnt drop out the alpha 2?

[lyric zephyr]

Because it just
Wasn't a ready build

Legit there would be nothing to do

The "Hideout" (Gray Manor) wasn't even close to being done

[fiery otter]

Guess they decided not to

[lyric zephyr]

It had like 3 total rooms

Also quick fun fact the Kitchen Room in the Museum was also meant to connect next to the front door (the one that's usually blocked off)

[remote wave]

and they could finish it instead of creating a beta

[lyric zephyr]

But why would they?

[fiery otter]

That would make sense. Normally a food area/souvenir shop would be connected to the entrance of a public place

[remote wave]

why not if they started?

[lyric zephyr]

Why would they release a likely inferior thing to the Beta

also I mean RIGHT next to the front door

The door would go around here

[remote wave]

guys

[fiery otter]

As a house, it doesn't make sense. But if they carved that entrance when they made it into a museum then it makes sense

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, it's a Museum, it's about history and also making money lmao

[remote wave]

can we talk about something else, i need to go to sleep in few minutes and i dont want discuss about it and spend the minutes discussing

[lyric zephyr]

They completely remodeled the Bathroom for the Beta actually

Like the outside is the same but the inside it's a newer different model

[fiery otter]

Yeah, we saw it in the E3 trailer for a bit

They changed the color of the outside of the museum too

[lyric zephyr]

They also made a new model for the front door hall

I can tell because the Bakery Door connecting to the front door only exists on the side of the Bakery's wall

But doesn't exist on the Front Hall side

[remote wave]

zz

[fiery otter]

But it's covered up by the pile of junk

[remote wave]

im going to sleep

[lyric zephyr]

So they made a new model for this room for some reason

But left the door hole on the Bakery Room side

Just covered it w/ a face

I wonder why tho

[ripe berry]

No clue

[fiery otter]

I wonder at what point in development the devs decided to ditch the Gray Manor/Hideout and start working on the Museum

[ripe berry]

Since you'd think the E3 trailer marked the point

But the Devlog hints otherwise

[stiff spire]

what if they scrap the mueseum in the final game and gray manor returns

[lyric zephyr]

I think they ditched the Gray Manor Hideout right after they stopped with Alpha 2

Since the Museum is now labelled under "Hideout"

Model names and all

[ripe berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/945857537134190642/965452172085047346/hello-neighbor-hello-neighbor2_1.gif

[lyric zephyr]

So likely was replaced r i g h t after

[fiery otter]

When the E3 trailer came out the museum had been worked on for a good amount of time

[ripe berry]

Sumeum Fans going to Goldy's house

[fiery otter]

Judging by how much of it they showed

[lyric zephyr]

Oh fun fact! This hole from the Garage to the Deep Dive Room/Living Room actually existed in the Deep Dive footage lmao

They just put a box in front of the bottom half

[ripe berry]

And this was what the Sumeum Used to look like

[lyric zephyr]

here it be

[ripe berry]

This is clearly before the E3 trailer

[fiery otter]

I'm checking the E3 trailer right now and I'm seeing the doorframe of the entrance to the old living room in the current living room

[stiff spire]

imagine if they make it canon

[lyric zephyr]

Friends helped me find like 3/4 of this stuff lmao

[stiff spire]

it's called goodbye my king

[lyric zephyr]

tB actually took it down lol

[stiff spire]

wait actually?

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah

[fiery otter]

I prefer that design

[stiff spire]

oof

I mean goodbye my king was really similar but the story was interesting basically this one fat king steals our place

[ripe berry]

I think I got a higher quality picture of it somewhere saved on my Laptop

Found the higher quality image

[stiff spire]

nice

where was the original picture actually

[lyric zephyr]

In the files

[stiff spire]

oh cool

[lyric zephyr]

It's under the pinboard stuff

So they likely just used this concept stuff as a placeholder for an actual museum pic

[fiery otter]

There's stuff on that design that makes it look like whoever owned it actually did turn it into a museum

[ripe berry]

I wonder if it was the final design for the Museum what the layout of it would be

[lyric zephyr]

Probably quite a bit smaller

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[lyric zephyr]

Seems like you wouldn't be able to fit as much Museum stuff inside tho

[fiery otter]

We can't see the other side

[ripe berry]

We also never saw the Back of the Gray Manor

[lyric zephyr]

It'd likely be more housey, like one of those restored Victorian homes in some places with the old furniture refurbished

[lyric zephyr]

yknow?

[fiery otter]

Plus it looks like 3 floors with an attic

[ripe berry]

But that didn't stop people from making models of that

[fiery otter]

But we could guess because we saw 3 sides of it

The front and the right and left side

[ripe berry]

If the camera was positioned a little bit more to the side maybe we could've made a model of it

[fiery otter]

I think the museum is the only location that's in the old artstyle

[lyric zephyr]

It's not even really in the old artstyle tbh

It's just a decrepit building

It's definitely nowhere near the style of like the Alpha 1.5 Candy Houses and the Alpha 1-1.5 Act 1 House

[main lance]

Mk

[ripe berry]

It is with much regret that I inform you that the AS Test pilot is no longer canon, Alex said so himself

[loud tartan]

Sad

[ripe berry]

(Alex posted something on the Game Theory Sub-reddit, someone on the other HN server posted it to one of the channels)

[ripe berry]

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/uayb6q/ceo_of_tinybuild_and_producer_of_the_original/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

(Yes, Alex posted this)

But wait... the Error World 1003063 ARG is the true ending?

Here is the exact quote in question in this: For the original Hello Neighbor we knew it had to be grounded in real life events at the surface, while the "real game" [SPOILERS]is about a sentient AI that you're trying to free - which is the true ending, and the whole experience of "THE GAME" was that as everyone was playing the Alphas and the final game, the AI becomes sentient as the players are torturing it. Similar to the philosophy of Westworld, the player here is the villain. And you win by setting the AI free by uploading it to the cloud.[/SPOILERS]

Huh, so I guess HN1 is a game within the game franchise or something like that

[pine onyx]

The neighbor is sherk bro 😎

[loud tartan]

What

how

[pine onyx]

Easy

The skin is green.

[stiff spire]

it's giving me those matrix vibes for some reason

[toxic mist]

That was a quote said by nikita or someone from the dev team?

Oh I found it yeah it was the Reddit post

Said by Alex

[stiff spire]

so basically what I'm gathering is that we've been killing the neighbor in all the alphas leading up to the error world

so basically we're the villain

[tribal talon]

what?? the Sumeum is actually... a Museum???

who'd a thunk

craaazy

dude, you found an insane secret

(not making fun of you, i'm just being weird lol)

[wild ore]

He was just saying it looked different nothing about what it actually was or is

[tribal talon]

okay?

I was just commenting on the fact that the sign was normal

[wild ore]

they do that a lot of the time when they build stuff

[tribal talon]

ik, I was jus-

I was just mentioning it

its called a joke

[tribal talon]

hello, do we know if hello neighbor 2 takes place before or after hello neighbor 1 ?

[young kayak]

after

[tame mural]

After

[ripe berry]

After

[tribal talon]

ok, thanks

[ripe berry]

Or atleast after Act 2

[tribal talon]

Would there be a text or other that summarizes the history and the chronology of the franchise. I'm preparing a video it's to learn more in detail

[stiff spire]

it would be cool if we can explore nickys house

and plus it would make sense since he's important

maybe nickys parents would just be normal npcs

no secret to hide

[ripe berry]

There is one thing that explains the known lore when it happens in the canon

If that's what you need

Imma just post it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AcAI9lMucsQW_4F-20n6OdBkCnRdKZ0Ku4qTB6kpi20/edit

[tribal talon]

oh thanks i will read that

[ripe berry]

If you want in order of stuff coming out then there currently is none

[ripe berry]

But that should be enough to make this video

You should already know the order stuff came out in

If again that's what you need

[main lance]

Accurate

[tribal talon]

Yes thanks. I am a french youtuber and I try to put the pieces of the universe back together to explain the lore

[main lance]

I try my best

Mostly everything right

[ripe berry]

It's GavinWK's Lore Document, not mine, just saying this so it doesn't seem like I'm passing it off as my own

[main lance]

Okay

Wait

One little thing to add about Quentin and the raven brooks banner does he work for the banner

[ripe berry]

Just swap out the date 2015 with 2017, since he didn't update that

[main lance]

Wait

Oh

[ripe berry]

Yes

[main lance]

okay

Alright then

[ripe berry]

Quentin's a new hire from (presumably) the City

[main lance]

Yes it explains why he drives to raven brooks

Also one thing to add in a lore wise thing

Oh no I forgot

Wait I remember

using a glitch in the beta when its the ending scene thats not Aaron behind the curtin its actually a cardboard cutout

[ripe berry]

And they gave him one of their old vans, which is why the van has Rimmor branding and not Nebbar branding, since the Rimmor was Channel 4 News, which was bought out by the Banner(Nebbar)

[main lance]

And also recorded sobbing

Ah

Yes

[ripe berry]

For Crazy of the game to read, again, this is not mine.

[main lance]

Okay

[ripe berry]

He also put some stuff in with books where that doesn't happen in

Or games

[main lance]

A wise man told me that there is contenuity and ccannonicty

[ripe berry]

Like he put Act 3 with Enzo getting married and stuff, which doesn't happen in Hello Neighbor 1

[main lance]

Yes

That is canon

[main lance]

In hello neighbor one everything is based on contenouity just like in fnaf

[ripe berry]

But Gavin put it with Act 3/Finale, when it doesn't happen in Act 3/Finale, it happens after Act Finale

[main lance]

Oh...

[ripe berry]

That's what I'm pointing out here

[main lance]

Yeah

Plus it might cause disputes later in the future or something

Some people may deem it cannon others might deem it in the present timeline

[ripe berry]

I know

Randomly, the Den

[stiff spire]

cool

did someone make that

[main lance]

Cool

[real moth]

timeloops were a thing for 8 months and a half in book 7

[main lance]

Yes

But before book 7

Wait no

That was the luck charm

Nevermind

I am going to get the books out again

[stiff spire]

when do you guys think the next hn book will come out

either a graphic novel or book 8

[hazy slate]

Hopefully on November 2nd.

[hexed trench]

why

btw nov 2 is my bday lol

[main lance]

A

[hollow orbit]

ita?

[wild ore]

That would actually do funny plz in with the reset lol

[frosty lodge]

Didn't he return because of an incident in an amusement park (in Germany) that was designed by him?

[lyric zephyr]

Yeah, he’s jumped from country to country due to his amusement park accidents lol

But it was both

Escaping Germany AND his parents leaving him the house in the will

[frosty lodge]

How convenient

[toxic mist]

I though the charm is what caused the time loops and earthquakes

[ripe berry]

No

That's the Mayak after having been destroyed

Atleast partly