lore-discussion

[hazy slate]

and the syringe is for some health problem he has

[ripe berry]

Just watch

[ripe berry]

Or that is what the farmer publically says

[hazy slate]

I mean

[ripe berry]

(Again, this is not from a stolen script or anything)

[hazy slate]

He most likely is using steroids on his crops

[ripe berry]

Ye

[hazy slate]

since that beet he was holding was HUGE

[ripe berry]

How else do you get BIG BEET

[ripe berry]

Yeah

Then there is the Guest

[hazy slate]

The guest seems to be some kind of creature

[ripe berry]

Or a fricking Demon

[hazy slate]

demon or creature

one or the two

yet somehow

he gets beaten badly by a 20 year old with a traffic cone

[fiery otter]

The Guest also has some sort of relation to Ted

[ripe berry]

Yeah

But they are two different beings

[fiery otter]

And I think they might even show that on the bulletin board in-game

[hazy slate]

I found it strange that the home owner was also "the guest"

but I ignored it at the time since there was plenty of proof against it

until that one image dropped

fun fact I didn't even notice it at the time lol

[fiery otter]

Home owner of what?

[hazy slate]

Theodore

owns the house

I wonder if the forest protector cult

[ripe berry]

The Guest's name comes from HG

[fiery otter]

Theodore and the Guest both own the house?

[hazy slate]

somehow summoned the guest

[ripe berry]

Where it was a Guest to the Park

[hazy slate]

I'm using this as an argument saying

[fiery otter]

That's what I've thought

[hazy slate]

"If ted was the owner why would he be the visitor?"

[ripe berry]

And the name "The Guest" is referring to how the Guest is a Guest from, well, somewhere

[hazy slate]

Probably hell

or a different dimension

[ripe berry]

Yeah

One of those two

[hazy slate]

The guest seems to be Hello Neighbor's pennywise

but seems to still be a mortal

since it needs to eat

as seen in the alphas

course they aren't canon

but still

[ripe berry]

The Guest could also be indirectly responsible for Ted's wife's (Diane's) death

[hazy slate]

possibly

it could also be responsible for reset day

[ripe berry]

It AND Mayak

Because Mayak does the time loops

[hazy slate]

yeah

and considering the guest seems to have some power

perhaps mayak somehow upgrades it

[ripe berry]

But The Guest controls the time loop

[hazy slate]

and lets it control the time loop

and keeping people in Raven Brooks

probably to let them starve and die out

cause they'll run out of food

[ripe berry]

I mean, The Guest also has some kind of Light coming from it's mouth in HN2

[hazy slate]

yes

unless the food just

comes out of their stomach

and uh

gets sent back to the store

[hazy slate]

I wonder what it could mean

what do you think?

[fiery otter]

Maybe it's just to have the Guest lit up in a menacing way at night

Considering the footage we've seen

The visuals of HN 2 are amazing

[hazy slate]

perhaps

I do wonder what the motivation is behind reset day though.

[fiery otter]

Money

That's the motive

[hazy slate]

I don't think the guest would want money

assuming that the one behind it is the guest.

[fiery otter]

The one behind it is a certain company with a headquarters in Seattle (I think) that makes tiny games with builds that become large on YT

[hazy slate]

Good theory but

Let's talk about the actual characters

rather then the publisher

because of course

they are the true ones behind reset day

they wrote the book

But let's theorize on who they are framing

[fiery phoenix]

i mean darby is gone and that forest protectors gone too, and most likely Jay since Nicky is gone

[fiery otter]

He wouldn't leave if his son is missing

[hazy slate]

I think this is RIGHT after act 2

[fiery otter]

He'd want access to that kind of stuff to look for his son

[hazy slate]

like

[fiery phoenix]

well i mean think about it

he'd be searching for a while yeah

but everyone thinks he ran away, remember?

i think

[hazy slate]

Quentin arrived just after he escaped

[hazy slate]

yeah

[fiery phoenix]

and during that time nicky was locked up

[hazy slate]

because their stupid

[fiery phoenix]

which was a few months

the roths probably moved out or jay worked somewhere else

ill be in shock if we see jay in game

and i swear to god if he doesnt eat ho hos im suing

[hazy slate]

the rescue squad seemed to be the only ones who suspected Ted after nicky went missing

[fiery phoenix]

yeah

[hazy slate]

which is also dumb

[fiery phoenix]

and then quentin came along

[hazy slate]

since his parents know

[fiery phoenix]

well remember

the pilot gave us a good point that makes us wonder

[hazy slate]

I haven't read nicky's series of books in awhile

but I think they still don't suspect ted

[fiery phoenix]

"The police have checked every house in this neighborhood. Every house, except for Mr. Petersons." - Trinity Bales, 2020

[fiery otter]

If Ted put barbed wire around his house and boarded up the windows
You would think the police would search the house

[fiery phoenix]

yknow what makes me wonder

[hazy slate]

that's probably what happened shortly after the pilot

Quentin arrives

when they start investigating

[fiery phoenix]

why did the rescue squad think that nicky was the one that drew on the back of the SIMMING posters

despite the fact that theyve SEEN his drawings before

[hazy slate]

because in that part of the book

everyone becomes stupid

[fiery phoenix]

seriously book 3 was the book where everyone became dumb

[hazy slate]

yep

[fiery phoenix]

like seriously

nicky SAW mr peterson being sus in his window

and all he decided to do was NOT TELL PEOPLE

[fiery otter]

Worst police force in the U.S

[fiery phoenix]

its missouri

what do you expect

[hazy slate]

I meant the parents

not the police

but the police are still stupid aswell

[fiery otter]

My point means even more then because parents tend to be snle to tell who the bad guy is compared to police

Also

The events of the pilot

If the kids told the truth about what they did and what they saw

Nicky and Aaron mightve been saved

[hazy slate]

they probably did at some point

or leslie and nielson were the only smart cops on the force

[fiery otter]

You would think that 3 kids saying the same thing about an already sus person

Would lead to a search warrant

[hazy slate]

yeah

[fiery otter]

But apparently not

[gleaming violet]

yeah true

[tribal talon]

i have a question

who's Ted?

[loud tartan]

Ted is Theodore but shorter

[tribal talon]

Thanks

[slim ledge]

Theo

[ancient apex]

dore

[echo bane]

door

[silver vine]

I doubt Quentin's like, Ike's son or twin

he could be like, his brother, or a cousin

(channel 4 went bankrupt, they couldnt have bought the banner)

[fiery phoenix]

so then the banner bought channel 4

[hazy slate]

must have been the other way around then

[hazy slate]

well I mean. if he was his son it would kinda fit in the timeline

if Quentin was born right after ted left town

[toxic mist]

ayo real talk the thing might be the guest infecting the minds

the guest literally has a light coming out of its mouth

the thing does too

the scenes after the neighb boss battle where the thing is watching the neighbor and is in other places is very symbolic

over the grave (assuming it’s mayas), locked in the basement, watching Peterson put up poster, and finally the battle where you have to save yourself from “fear”

I’m not convinced it’s just a resemblance of fear, if it was that means Ted had some of his “fear” watching over him as he was putting up the poster

doesn’t make sense

oh and also there was a crow… never forget the demon has a way of possessing crows

where the hello neighbor lore convention at got damn

this chat quiet as the beginning of my 1st period

also why the hell would Nicky see “fear” and then go to sleep

it was literally like what 6pm or something

but also like cmon that’s very out of the ordinary

move into house, get stuck by a smooth dose of PTSD or whatever and go to sleep

even if act 3 does take place in the so called guest world with the wacky houses, it means he is technically battling the thing in his mind all along

so yes, the thing is the guest, just with clothes on

doesn’t exactly mean the thing is real, it just means it infected Nicky and the kids minds

I also doubt when Peterson parents and co moved to raven brooks, it was because of spontaneous hurricanes or whatever and not purple storms

those either caused the thing/demon to slip out of the multiverse either indirectly or directly and infect the minds of the innocent

and by infect I mean distort so the events stay the same

like the little nightmares transmission tower

[wicked heath]

holy shit.......

[toxic mist]

yeah I know

[wicked heath]

tldr

[toxic mist]

I’m a geek

[toxic mist]

thing is the guest

change my mind

[wicked heath]

ah

that actually can make sense

[toxic mist]

reset day has more demons, and the crows have smoke coming out of their mouth

[wicked heath]

i personally think the guest is like the thing, but instead of fear, its evilness

[toxic mist]

the thing isn’t “real” but I believe it distorts the minds of the innocent

but keeps the events “canon”

like the ln2 transmission tower

but it’s a shape shifting demon

also the guest has light coming out of its mouth/face hole now, who else has light coming from their face in hn1?

exactly

I rest my case

[wicked heath]

fun fact: im making a video with the song Just Gold, and its literally about the Thing and the Guest

[toxic mist]

Stay tuned because in the next episode I’ll crack the case on why the mayor likes music

And why the taxidermist avoids taxes

Wait.. are there taxes in raven brooks?

[wicked heath]

uh oh

[wicked heath]

yes

there is

[toxic mist]

shi-

[copper wave]

actually guest is 👽

sorry to disappoint

[toxic mist]

evidence?

cope?

ratio?

lore?

[ancient apex]

true

very real definitely

[ripe berry]

Nice theory, but you need evidence my friend

[ancient apex]

internet speaking is wild

[toxic mist]

Remember you are loved by god

Have a great night everybody

And remember

Thing Is the guest

[ancient apex]

[toxic mist]

Man in the hat’s profile could probably be narrowed down

[ripe berry]

Ratio + You Fell Off + L + Cancelled

[toxic mist]

Into someone completely new or someone from the books

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[toxic mist]

Nale Norman Narby IIII

[ripe berry]

MitH is either a book character or someone new, but I know he isn't Norman Darby

Because in the trophy in SN it says "... and is often spotted watching the Petersons' house. ...", now why would Norman just be watching the Peterson household, presumably taking notes about stuff (Based off his known animations) and seem to be studying Ted like Nicky and Quentin were/are

And why would he be just watching the house

[toxic mist]

To know what happens

Norman knows Peterson is cursed or has demons of his own

[ripe berry]

Ok

[toxic mist]

he also doesn’t interfere with quentin

[ripe berry]

I mean, there is nothing simple I could use like Eye color (MitH's (in some old images) are blue, and we don't know Norman's eye color) or anything else like that

[toxic mist]

When are his eyes blue?

He always had closed eyes

Was there old art that I never knew about

[ripe berry]

I thought they were blue in some old images

[toxic mist]

Where

[ripe berry]

I can't find the image, so I guess I must've saw something that wasn't there

[toxic mist]

Art of him was never shown and he has always had closed eyes

[toxic mist]

You have been infected by the thing

He has closed eyes

Under the glasses

Most likely as a placeholder

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[toxic mist]

Imagine he doesn’t have eyes but still pretends to read the newspaper

[ripe berry]

If he has no eyes then he is a new character

[toxic mist]

He tried to hide from the cops as well

He’s pretty much a fugitive

But watching the Peterson’s house

Seems kinda sus

[ripe berry]

I'm suprised we actually know this much about him already

[toxic mist]

Gordon never was confirmed dead too

In the books

No was Norman

They are years in the past butt

Norman and Gordon were in their 30s

[ripe berry]

Gordon was still alive

Norman was thought to be dead

But isn't

[toxic mist]

And mayor tweed (I don’t think it’s tavish) is old

I forgot where his name was revealed but his name is tweed

[ripe berry]

Are you using Tweed to refer to the HN2 Mayor

[toxic mist]

I think it’s on a picture

Yes

His last name

I think is tweed

[ripe berry]

The name isn't comfirmed, but the name comes from the AS

[toxic mist]

Oh yeah

Well I mean they look similar right

Or wait no

There was never a picture

Just a headline

[ripe berry]

Tho why are there pictures of Tweed (HN2 Mayor) in the Museum

[ripe berry]

And a picture of the people in mass support of voting for him

[toxic mist]

Because he owns it

Because tavish was most likely exposed

In the books

[ripe berry]

Then why would Ted be in it

[toxic mist]

Ted knows about the thing

[ripe berry]

He stepped down

[toxic mist]

Yes he did

He got exposed

[ripe berry]

And the Thing is also a rumor in RB

[toxic mist]

“Rumor”

I mean he knows about the guest

And I think tweed does too

Also I wonder what happens when the guest catches quenton

[ripe berry]

But really, would you just let a fugitive in a building you own just because they know about a knock-off Forest Protector boi

[toxic mist]

does it increase his stress

[toxic mist]

if they keep it under the radar

and they do

if the person letting the fugitive in was in on it

I’m hn2 everyone is a suspect

let’s debunk why

all part of the society?

possible

remember how in reset day enzo signed in someone in raven brooks leading him to be a fugitive

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[toxic mist]

that could be Nicky but it’s a bit of a stretch

making enzo the one who wrote the eviction letter

[ripe berry]

After all Nicky moved in in 2017

[toxic mist]

yes

so reset day is before 2017 just a tad bit

months before

also I doubt there will be another Carly book it’s been a while

sadly

it’s not 2020

the online classes reference was a thing from covid, but they still existed back then

in the back of the book

pipers moms name was never revealed I think but it’s probably not some we know

therefore she is irrelevant

also got kidnapped by the demon boi

[ripe berry]

Piper's mom is a side character in the story

and the Lore

[toxic mist]

yes

the pilot is subject to change, but some of the lore is canon

[ripe berry]

Like the gemstone thing

[toxic mist]

maybe not the map, but characters like Casey Clark and mayor tweed

and yes the gemstone

they do rituals around the gemstone and harness the power of the wind or something (during purple storm) next to mayak

[ripe berry]

I think Enzo found out that Nicky was evicted from his old apartment and signed him in for RB

[toxic mist]

yeah maybe

either way, maybe he didn’t write it

meaning after reset day the house is burnt down a bit later

and Nicky arrives

makes sense tho

there is a literal mob

in reset day

and Peterson’s house is super vandalized too

[ripe berry]

And it would explain all of the incosistencies about the house

[toxic mist]

it makes total sense

[toxic mist]

yes

you mean like the boards on the side

[ripe berry]

And it is heavily hinted at that Aaron burns down Ted's house

[toxic mist]

how is it hinted

I forget

you mean stage 3?

him being a fire boi

[ripe berry]

Because the Devs said that HNHS would reveal who burned down the house and Aaron in stage 3 is a frickin fire

[ripe berry]

Yeah

[toxic mist]

oh ok

so yeah Aaron is still in raven brooks maybe enzo signed him in

it would be funny is there was a cutscene where his house gets burnt down

in hn2

[ripe berry]

Nicky would make more sense for it being pre 2020

[toxic mist]

enzo signed in Nicky?

meaning Aaron is basically in the shapes during reset day

shadows*

[ripe berry]

Because Aaron may not have left Raven Brooks

[toxic mist]

I doubt it

he has a missing poster in hn2, I bet the ending will be him burning down the house or quentin getting too close to the truth

[ripe berry]

After all we have this big gap from 1997 to 2016/2017 where nothing happens

[ripe berry]

Probably

[toxic mist]

#hello-neighbor message

Alexus responded

When I brought it up

[ripe berry]

But then we just fricked with the lore even more (if the burning of the house happens)

[toxic mist]

A bit sus if you ask me

Take a gander

[ripe berry]

I think the second one is more likely

[toxic mist]

Him dying?

Quen

Ton

[ripe berry]

Well it's either that, or the lore getting fricked up even more

Quentin may not die, but could just be put in prison

[toxic mist]

Nah the society kills people

They killed ike

In the bad blood prologue

And I’m pretty sure he saw mayak

During the action

[ripe berry]

It's been stated that Guest is NOT a forest protector

So why would Guest (and other people who are a part of a group like that) act like one

[ripe berry]

Guest and other Guest like people aren't Forest Protector

[toxic mist]

They were in costumes

To keep secret

But in reset day it actually became a reality

Probably another demon escaped

[hazy slate]

I wonder if the forest protector rituals somehow opens a portal to wherever the guest came from?

[quick dagger]

HN2 leaked secret ending:
Mr. Peterson's house is on fire as Aaron slowly walks out of the house with a dark look in his eyes.

[hazy slate]

omg alexus real confirmed ending

[ripe berry]

The original message is #hello-neighbor message

[toxic mist]

The nests

[wooden pine]

can someone give me a list of characters from book 2. Im doing a book report on it

[toxic mist]

well i think its in the book

[wooden pine]

whrere

[toxic mist]

in the book

like... you know, words

for starters, the neighbor

and nicky

[wooden pine]

i haven't finished the book

[toxic mist]

thats it i think

[wooden pine]

im like 30 pages in

[toxic mist]

no one else

[toxic mist]

when is the report due

[wooden pine]

march 8

[toxic mist]

the book is a pretty fast read too

oh ok

[wooden pine]

and yes im staring now

[toxic mist]

you have 6 days

its a pretty fast book all things considered but it is the most boring in my opinion

all the books are pretty fast, and the chapters are short

theres like 13 or 14 per book

[vernal kraken]

wait then why are tou doing a book report on a book you haven't read yet?

[wooden pine]

listen...

its the only book i have

that i read at least a little bit of it

[exotic comet]

guys i think real lore is hello neighbor has to poop and is trying to poop but you keep trying to go in basement (stop)

[gray dome]

that's like

6 days

U have plenty of time

I binge hn books in a day usually

[wooden pine]

Well

I don't

[gray dome]

uhh uhhh uhhh

skill issue

[toxic mist]

haha yes cope

[tribal talon]

I'm still reading the books rn. Currently on book 3 of the novels.

[silver vine]

why would representation of fear, want to steal stuff which ppl dont deserve?

[silver vine]

Norman def wasnt in the 30s

neither was Gordon

Norman and Gordon were legit adults at the time when Ted was a kid

[silver vine]

Nicky already moved in years before reset day

[silver vine]

no

the workers in the town say that its been 25 years since the park was covered in concrete

and the park was covered in concrete in 1996 by earthpro

pls quit telling that reset day takes place in 2017

[silver vine]

this proves that book 7 takes place in November 2021

and, its summer in the real world, which means real world is in 2022

[toxic mist]

ok

[silver vine]

👍

[hazy slate]

hey tiny crow

Nikita leaked lore to me

he said that reset day takes place in 2017

[tribal talon]

Are all games canon?

Or is only a couple Canon

[hazy slate]

what do you mean?

[gray dome]

All excluding any alphas

[tribal talon]

How many game line up with each other

[hazy slate]

basically

every game

asides from the alphas

excluding hello guest

is canon

[silver vine]

no he didnt

I JUST told the proof that reset day takes place in 2021/2022

[hazy slate]

alexus am I right that reset day takes place in 2017

he said yes

[silver vine]

the workers in the town say that its been 25 years since the park was covered in concrete
and the park was covered in concrete in 1996 by earthpro

you do the math man

[hazy slate]

math is scary

[gray dome]

time to disprove you

[gray dome]

which workers

Beginning of 7?

[silver vine]

yes

[gray dome]

Mfw

[silver vine]

they say "its 25 years concrete"

and park was covered in concrete by earthpro in 1996

[gray dome]

Intro =/= actual time reset day happens

[silver vine]

so its set in the future?

[hazy slate]

alexus is the guest actually tiny crow?

thanks for confirming

[gray dome]

Hhh

It could be anytime

So

Theoretically

Yes

This happens too with the intro of book 4

Describing what I assume is Ikes death

Actually no

That happens during book 4s events

[silver vine]

yes

I highly doubt that intro of reset day takes palce 4/5 years after the main story itself

[gray dome]

It could

[silver vine]

we do know that in the middle of the book, there was an earthquake

and that 2 workers went missing in that earthquake

[gray dome]

No one knows

[silver vine]

if reset day did take place in 2017, how did Nicky get into the town so easily?

[gray dome]

Earthquakes can happen a lot just saying

[silver vine]

so, 2 workers go missing everytime theres an earthquake?

[silver vine]

while Piper's family struggled to enter the town

[hazy slate]

nicky is god

actually no

he used a flying trash bag glitch

[silver vine]

also, if reset day does take place in 2017, that means Enzo had a kid when he was 16, which is pretty 🤮

[hazy slate]

to jump the wall

[silver vine]

doesnt look like he did tho

look at the intro of act 3

[gray dome]

What no

???

[hazy slate]

he taught his car how to do it too

[gray dome]

Where's the logic there

[gray dome]

I mean

It could have totally happened

Just sayin

[silver vine]

in the intro, two workers get sucked inside the the earth during the earthquake, and in the earthquake in the middle of the book, Piper's mom mentions that 2 workers have gone missing

[gray dome]

Doesn't the book say Enzo recently admitted someone in

[silver vine]

yes

but it wasnt Piper's family

[gray dome]

Yes

I'm aware

I read the book before it came out

lol

[silver vine]

Ik

[silver vine]

also, why do you desparately want book 7 to take place in 2017?

[hazy slate]

I don't care what year it takes in

I'm just telling you

his car can fly

[silver vine]

be plausible

[hazy slate]

look

the totally real alexus

confirmed it

[gray dome]

That could be a total coincidence too

[ancient apex]

yooooo alexus replied to rbc

[gray dome]

We don't have concrete proof

[silver vine]

ok

[hazy slate]

yes

[ancient apex]

so cool

[hazy slate]

also tiny crow you baited yourself with this message

[silver vine]

I did that cuz I dont want this to be canon

thats why I stick to the theory of reset day taking place in 2021/2022

[hazy slate]

me neither to be honest

[silver vine]

then why do you desparately want reset day to take palce in 2017?

[hazy slate]

read this: #lore-discussion message

[gray dome]

Remember this is the same franchise with weird placement of events

[silver vine]

I still dont understand

you are arguing that reset day takes place in 2017, because I said to quit telling that?

[hazy slate]

you practically asked someone to tell you it takes place in 2017

[hazy slate]

yes

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

your probably right about it being in 2021 though

cause of the apps

and concrete

[gray dome]

Honestly rd is probably during hn2

It'd make sense

[silver vine]

exactly

[gray dome]

Gn2s are a hard one

[hazy slate]

Reset day sorta takes place in 2020 though

In Raven Brooks time

since it starts november 2nd

[silver vine]

my theory is that sometime after RD, guest looped time all the way back to the 90s

[hazy slate]

but it's 2021 for the outside world

[gray dome]

Or after it

Rd could be a form of sequel

[hazy slate]

is there gonna be a second book to Reset Day?

[gray dome]

Not afaik

[hazy slate]

or are we waiting for Quentin to terrorize everyone

then it'll come out

[gray dome]

It concluded with gn2 and rd

For rn

[silver vine]

actually, real world may already be in 2022, cuz it was the workers inside Raven Brooks who say its been 25 years since the park was covered by concrete, which was done in 1996

1996 + 25 = 2021

[gray dome]

The house isn't boarded up by hn2

But is in rd

[silver vine]

yes

[gray dome]

But even then

In rd ted is guest

And in gn2 he only becomes guest halfway through

But during gn2 the towns also evacuating

So

?????

[silver vine]

pretty confusing right here

[hazy slate]

Ted IS the guest but

at the same time

somehow isn't

[silver vine]

since ted becomes guest only halfway thru GN2, that means GN2 is before RD, where he already is the guest

[gray dome]

how

[hazy slate]

I don't know

[gray dome]

????

The town is under evac

[hazy slate]

take that one screenshot for example

[silver vine]

Ik the town got evacuated, so, RD could be like a couple of years after GN2?

[hazy slate]

I don't know if it's canon

[gray dome]

Exactly

[silver vine]

where everyone moved into the town again?

[gray dome]

That's my only answer honestly

[silver vine]

ye

[gray dome]

Because like

I'm gonna be real but I have to agree with classic

And that ted died

[silver vine]

[gray dome]

Or was killed

[silver vine]

I very highly doubt that they'd kill Ted, the star of the series, in a book

[hazy slate]

well

the light on ted seems to be fading

[silver vine]

my theory is that guest is representation of loss, and when guest choked Ted, it meant that his losses took over him and he became the guest

[hazy slate]

the mystery is focusing on cults, timeloops, etc. nowadays

[silver vine]

this also explains why guest steals things which ppl dont deserve

he steals them, cuz he wants them to experience loss, so that he can thrive

Ik ppl are gonna ask this: "Guest is physically present in HN2 and he cant be a representation of something"

I've already got an answer to that

my theory is that sometime after book 7, Ted/guest looped time way back to the 90s

[hazy slate]

If we see the guest and ted side by side

in gameplay

it's gonna be confusing

and this chat will explode

[silver vine]

guest is neighor from present day, buff neighbor is neighbor from 90s

atleast, by my theory

[gray dome]

Sure

[hazy slate]

thats a good theory but

how can he do all the paranormal stuff?

such as tap into dreams

[silver vine]

the thing, representation of fear, can enter into minds/dreams

same way, the guest, representation of losses, can

[hazy slate]

correct.

Ted cannot do that

the guest is two things I believe

[silver vine]

because Ted isnt representation of loss

[hazy slate]

1 is ted

something else is number 2

[silver vine]

guest

representation of loss

[hazy slate]

see

My theory is

The guest is a creature, demon or ailen.

that can possess people

Ted would be a great target

since he has lost alot

[gray dome]

Creature

Imo

[gray dome]

I don't know about the losses part

U have to take into consideration that he attempted the exact same thing on Pris

[round geode]

goose club

[hazy slate]

goose

[wooden pine]

bruh

is there a theme for book 2

[wooden pine]

context

[wooden pine]

nevermind

[toxic mist]

bruh the thing literally has the same animation as the guest im done

relatively the same moves as the guest

[wooden pine]

Dont tell me the guest is a figment of quentins imagination

[toxic mist]

nah

hes real all right

real to them

and he put on a costume

[fast marten]

ok schizophrenic

[toxic mist]

(real)

i can tell no one here but a select few believe me

the guest is mr peterson i guess

[wooden pine]

I think the guest Is its own creature

[toxic mist]

alright

[wooden pine]

But I did read the books so I wouldn't know

[toxic mist]

so tell me why the neigbor is hiding fear is his basement then

[wooden pine]

Only 1

[toxic mist]

and why fear or doubt is looming over myas grave

[wooden pine]

Idfk

[toxic mist]

most of all, why is fear or gloom or self-doubt or depression watching ted put up the posters that literally are his kids missing

do i even need to mention it was ted as well that put em up and not the cops

a bit sus to me

i rest my case

[wooden pine]

What did that have to do with the guest

[toxic mist]

everything

if you read the graphic novel 2 spoiler alert ||you see mr peterson "talking" to a crow in a cage||

although i know you clicked anyway

[solar iris]

I support this theory

[toxic mist]

not only is there a crow in the bush, but the guest is watching him

[gray dome]

i mean likeable

[toxic mist]

much like how the guest ||posseses him in graphic novel 2 in the weather station||

[gray dome]

this is just nickys

how would u say it

not a dream

but u get it

its not real

[toxic mist]

but the devs said...

eh yeah maybe its just fear

[gray dome]

I mean it is totally a possibility and one that I consider

[toxic mist]

nickys fear of the neighbor literally being locked up in the neighbor's basement

totally natural

[gray dome]

but we need more evidence honestly

[toxic mist]

the neighbor locking up nickys fear (someone else's fear) in his own basement

totally natural

maybe the thing is aaron after all

and the man in the hat is enzo

or an also casey clark stars in the FNaF movie too

and there is indeed a multiverse

[toxic mist]

what kind of evidence, the way i see it hn is ultra symbolic in the way the devs present things

hnhas cleared up info that was literally already hinted at in hn

maybe the story was loose at the time of hn full development but it definitely wasn't cobbled together 3 weeks before release

i rest my case

for now...

[gray dome]

wdym

[toxic mist]

any more evidence than this

but like this makes no sense if it's nickys fear

[fast marten]

🤓

[toxic mist]

the neighbor trapping his demons in his basement

but they escape in hn2

"he has demons of his own" - coryxkenshin 2018 or something

oh heres the pizza truck too

also do you think this is a reference to the weather station that exploded in gn2?

[gray dome]

No

[toxic mist]

yeah i didn't think so

thats fun and all but howbout big appele

[toxic mist]

heyo look its a purple sky!

oh and also this

while ur in error world

[shut kite]

goodbye neighbor 2

[gray dome]

It kind of does

Likeable I think ur just looking too far rn

[silver vine]

he tried to take Pris away

Regina didnt deserve her

[silver vine]

fear of loosing Aaron

[silver vine]

its not only Nicky's fear

its just fear

fear in general

just the representation of fear

[silver vine]

this scene indicates that Ted never overcame his fear of loosing Aaron

[gray dome]

as in take her body yes

[toxic mist]

I’m not convinced they have relatively the same animation too

Someone go toggledebugcamera and look at the things idle animation

I’m pretty sure there is more to the thing in hn

I feel like it is writing off a golden opportunity

It gets “killed” in act 3 or at the end but the way I see it, Nicky blocked him from infecting his mind

[gray dome]

I mean

basically yes?

he gets rid of his original fears

[toxic mist]

Oh and also in the “show” remember teds living room

[gray dome]

but ACCORDING to the logbook it plagues other people

[toxic mist]

With the sofa and tv

[gray dome]

notebook*

this isnt fnaf he lp

[toxic mist]

Well I mean sure it means it plagued Aaron and co

But going back to the neighbors living room in the “show”

Does that look familiar

[gray dome]

yes

but like

[toxic mist]

To… maybe even the act 3 living room

[gray dome]

pilot = not canon

[toxic mist]

True

But you gotta understand it was based on the books

And their layouts

[gray dome]

is there any other sort of evidence

[toxic mist]

I just don’t feel like writing off the things character would be the best move

[gray dome]

that u have

like

[toxic mist]

The pizza truck at the end

[gray dome]

i would love for the thing to be expanded on

but hhhh

what about it

[toxic mist]

Vs the pizza truck that killed diane

It’s the same right

[gray dome]

I don't know

[toxic mist]

I can’t remember but I’m pretty sure it is

[gray dome]

I mean it could be

¯_(ツ)_/¯

god knows

cause that was like

[toxic mist]

Go in the cutscene in act 1 and togledebugcamera

[gray dome]

20 years ago?

[toxic mist]

No I mean the act 1 scene

I want to confirm this

Might be a stretch but could be connected to the baker

Well not really but there’s something about how that is the only truck in the game with a design/decal

So Nicky blocked the thing from his mind, which Peterson failed to do

Which is what the final battle is

Oh and remember the retired mobile content expansion

Even if that isn’t finished I still believe some parts of it were canon

[gray dome]

wdym retired

[toxic mist]

Backing up the book founded theory that Nicky is in a somewhat dream state all through hn calling getting caught by Ted a fearful experience

Not as in something that really happens

[gray dome]

im pretty sure its still being made

[toxic mist]

Hopefully

[gray dome]

20 yrs from act 3 i mean

[toxic mist]

You mean graphic novel

Or reset day

[gray dome]

act 3

cause act 3s ending has the pizza truck

does it

[toxic mist]

Yes

[gray dome]

yeah

and hs was

like

20-30 yrs ago

[toxic mist]

Did you check if the pizza truck was the one that killed diane

[gray dome]

prior to act 3

wym

like

what cutscene

[toxic mist]

Get to the scene in act 1 and toggledebug

[gray dome]

do u mean the nightmare

[toxic mist]

The one with the car crash

Yes

[gray dome]

i dont have it installed but sure hhhhh

[toxic mist]

That one

Ah

[gray dome]

it could be a diff driver too

or diff vehicle

[toxic mist]

Anyways the thing is the guest, has the same animation, has light coming from his face, is watching Peterson’s every move as shown in the sub level between battle 1 and 2, and is clearly spiritual in gn2 and even hn2 keyarts

Relatively the same animation

[gray dome]

what sublevel

and where in gn2 and hn2 keyarts

[toxic mist]

The one with the falling posters

[toxic mist]

Go to the website

[gray dome]

yeha but how does it correlate to guest

[toxic mist]

The hn2 website

[silver vine]

if thing is the guest, just explain to me this one thing

[toxic mist]

Yes

[gray dome]

like

i totally consider this theory i just feel theres not enough evidence

[silver vine]

why would the representation of fears, want to steal things which ppl dont deserve?

[gray dome]

different forms maybe? idk u tell me

its clear guest can turn into a bird so like

[toxic mist]

It’s not a representation of fear, it’a a demon

[gray dome]

🤨

[toxic mist]

Where did the representation of fear ever get leaked as true

Or canonical

Things are called fear as in Nickys fear of the thing

Infecting his mind

And the guest is clearly not a human being or alien

Could be another demon

That came from the mayak

I remember this old theory where kayak connected the books and games together

That doesn’t seem super far fetched anymore

They are like totally different apart from the neighbors basement interpretation in book 3

And I’m pretty damn sure that the door leading to knowhere is the door leading to the tunnels

Or his office

[gray dome]

i dont know but that seems to be the general consensus

[gray dome]

yeah but guest existed before mayak

u could argue it came from the notebook

but yk

notebook is notebook

[toxic mist]

Notebook said thing is representation of literally everyone’s fear?

[gray dome]

yeha

so that also applies to nicky

cause its a representation of his fears

and obviously teds

but

we dont play as ted

we play as nicky

[toxic mist]

Ted is unhinged because the guest infected his mind

The car crash could’ve been orchestrated too I don’t believe that it wasn’t

By the pizza truck

[gray dome]

wh

[toxic mist]

It’s the only truck that has a decal

[gray dome]

and wdym by this

[toxic mist]

In gn2 he is taking to a crow, he knows about the society and what they are capable of doing

He doesn’t want his kids to be affected by it but Aaron accidentally is

And maybe he thinks the guest or whatever compelled Aaron to kill mya

Hence why he calling him a bad omen

Basically cursing him to the basement

Also answer me why the guests idle animation is very very similar to the things animation

It can’t just be a coincidence as in the devs like head movements in the exact same direction and jerks n stuffs

[silver vine]

then explain the steam achievement

where it says "no more fears"

[toxic mist]

The fear acicement or i had no choice

[gray dome]

yes but like

also consider it attempts doing the same thing to pris

and even targeted pris first

[toxic mist]

Fear of the thing infecting his mind

Ok ok sure maybe it’s Nicky’s fear but that doesn’t mean teds fear turns into the guest

[gray dome]

well

[toxic mist]

You are forgetting that teds fear still exists after the battle

[gray dome]

no

if ted had a fear

it would be the thing

[toxic mist]

Yea

That’s what I’m sayin

Everyone has a fear of something and maybe teds fear got a little too hard to cope with

Since he’s like cursed or something

[gray dome]

thats like the only piece of good evidence honestly ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[toxic mist]

Yep

[gray dome]

that isnt enough though

[toxic mist]

I mean why does guest have light coming from its mouth

That’s evidence within the model but not symbolism

[gray dome]

or well besides that

[toxic mist]

Bruh

[gray dome]

u could also argue giant guest

but thats just keyart

for rn

[toxic mist]

Could show up later

I don’t doubt it

“Guest battle”

Ending where quentin rips off costume to reveal new model of thing

I could see it

And Aaron burning down house

That’s close to being confirmed tbh

Who else would hate his house that much lol

[gray dome]

i dont think the thing would be in the guest costume

[toxic mist]

Yeah but it’s def not a human

[gray dome]

i dont think the guest even has a physical body

besides the costume

well no

of course not

it demonstrates magical abilities in gn2

[toxic mist]

The thing doesn’t have a “physical” body either

[gray dome]

well no not really

its just

[toxic mist]

It only shows up when Nicky goes up to house

[gray dome]

how would u say it

[toxic mist]

Then disappears

Also in reset day the guest or crow figure that is actually Ted Peterson master of the kidnapping shows up then disappears

The thing may not have a physical body, so it makes one for itself

Or something like that

[silver vine]

also in HN2

[toxic mist]

And how does it do that

[gray dome]

???

[toxic mist]

By taking an apple out of its mouth

Or using a fire extinguisher

Nah even Alex could do that

Not magic

So I guess teds fear got out of control

And put on a costume

But Nicky killed it before it had a chance to take over

I mean, it could be either way

Teds “fear” embodiment is projecting onto him but he says no

[gray dome]

dk abt that

[toxic mist]

It’s more of a demon actually

[gray dome]

whjat

[toxic mist]

Why not

It’s linked to Ted after all

[gray dome]

no what do u mean puts on a costume

[errant hazel]

Lights are flickering near him

[toxic mist]

Oh yeah

Magicccc

[silver vine]

lights glow from his beak

[toxic mist]

So the alphas are in guest world or demon world

[gray dome]

and thats ur only evidence?

for a beta not even out?

i mean

yes

[toxic mist]

Guest world sound better

[gray dome]

it probably exists

but thats literally it for rn

[toxic mist]

Act 3 is in guest world too is it not?

[gray dome]

he hasnt demonstrated any other magical abilities yet

[gray dome]

we dont know

[toxic mist]

Nicky wasn’t transported to it but was put in cryptic sleep

[gray dome]

we dont know if guest world is still even a thing

or what it was

[toxic mist]

He gets into house, gets stuck by ptsd, and goes to slep

Like what

door is literally still open

don’t care

[silver vine]

let us not forget that the thing gave a phone call to Nicky in act 3

[toxic mist]

yep

oh and also the clicking

don’t forget the clicking

never forget that

[silver vine]

mhmmm

[toxic mist]

he called him and told him the formula to make a weather sensor

[gray dome]

wot

[toxic mist]

so is calling the clicking a reference to the guest a stretch?

cuz the mannequins do it too

he makes like super discombobulated crow noises

and the sounds won’t change too

they weren’t kidding about that placeholder

calling thing at 3am gone wrong came to my house (cops called)

[toxic mist]

I’m dragging you back in here

[gray dome]

wot

[toxic mist]

How tf is that not enough like what you expect a 5 page essay

[gray dome]

no

but something that makes sense

[toxic mist]

It does make sense

[gray dome]

okay can u explain again

i keep losing u

[toxic mist]

Bro literally go toggledebug camera in any of the fear rooms or nightmare scene after Ted battle and look at the animation

But also

Nicky’s fear

[gray dome]

thats literally 1 evidence

[toxic mist]

He could have a demon of his own although i think it would make more sense for Peterson’s fear or demon (resembled by the crow) being projected

Also you know how Aaron is depicted as being in a cage

A bird cage nonetheless

In gn2 the crow kinda persuaded him using science and brain telpathy to make him flood the town

And when he tried to stop the flood

None other than the goose boi came out to stop him

And it was the game artstyle of it too

Not the forest protector icon

[gray dome]

what cage

[toxic mist]

In the act 2 nightmare sequence

I think it’s the only one

[gray dome]

shouldnt it be the thing

[gray dome]

which one

[white solstice]

Aaron is controlling the ride

[toxic mist]

The coaster

[gray dome]

Hi CK

[toxic mist]

There is only one nightmare in act 2

[white solstice]

There’s two

Nightmare and coaster

[toxic mist]

Uhm

Oh the hospital?

[white solstice]

Act 1 is car crash and getting grabbed

[gray dome]

isnt roller coaster in act 2 i dont remember

[toxic mist]

Or is that act 1

[toxic mist]

Yes

And also HGP but we don’t need to talk about that

that’s a story for another day

So ck…

thing is guest

[white solstice]

Oh yeah been a big fan

But their idle anims aren’t similar

[toxic mist]

has relatively same animation, light on face, and watches Peterson where a crow is

[white solstice]

You are dead wrong on that

[toxic mist]

they… are??

are they not

[white solstice]

The thing is doing a thumbs up

The guest is standing

[gray dome]

can someone remind me where the idle anim is

[toxic mist]

well maybe not the same animation but like cmon now

[gray dome]

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