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im pretty sure HE comes out after HN 2 anyway
so what
they can plan more games
or less
more
plans can change so idk about 6 games
Boggers is Nikita
Last game that has proper plot
HG is not HN 2
Like the dot in the story
Sheeprampage told me
Sheeprampage is not a cry baby
Sheeprampage told me
Sheeprampage doesn't steal renders
Sheeprampage told me
so, HN2 cannot be the last
yeah, because HE is next

rest games after hn2 will be most likely like fnaf games
hmmmm
First games had some story, next games will be.. well, they will be just because
what
the next HN game can be like, a prologue to HN
called hs
why do we need it?
no
Story ended after act 3
Full names please
reset day
bc idk wht y mnt
is after act 3
RD is after act 3?
i thought it was set in like 2016 or 2017
thats what people loved to say
then think logically
they can list more books at any time
Gta 4 is set 2 years after red dead which is 4 years before hn2 which is 6 days after act 2 which is 26 years before gta 6
^
exactly
its set in 2021
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Do you guys sleep.
lore
yes and no
What time dose hn2 happen? 90s?
idk bc im not sure in what part of the timeline it is taking place
if its before Act 2, its gonna be 1998 ofc. Otherwise, it would be in 20XX
it picks up right after act 2
it begins right after act 2 i.e. 1998, and may proceed to 2021
oh crap book 7 run
Guys...
I know the entire lore in HN
but i refuse to share it
cause it will blow your minds
@swift cedar guest isnt FP
FP is a made up myth
urban legend of guest is different from urban legend of FP
it consists of a group of cultists
oh no you made the HN veterans come to your house... run
hey @silver vine could i send you the text file of the script when i have it so you can try to fix any errors illl credit you in the video
yes, you can
in DMs
ok
would be good if you send quickly
no it will probally be a little sorry
and add the pic of FPs from cover of book 5
i just used guest cause the pic from book 5 just looks like a man in a suit and not a book creature
also if i send you my video if you make corrections ill do a little corrections segment in part 2
oh crap didnt mean to send that pic
great
you got pretty much right
only 2 minor errors
ok waht are they?
- Guest pic while talking about FPs
- Golden apples arent really important
as of right now
ok
can i see it?
Maybe, but Nicky has missing posters so he might escape in the middle of the game instead of just before the game.
I wonder.
when time resets
does the objects in everyone's house reset too?
like
does the meat Ms. Andrews just bought magically teleport back to the grocery store?
What if someone dies before time resets ._.
Rememeber when Aaron peed himself in puzzle master
spoiler
thats cool its fine though
Remember when Nicky and Enzo got into a fight
Remember when Nicky started to yell to everyone and he seemed crazy
I remember
nicky started to grab household objects and throw them at his friends
as well as smash windows
No wonder they think he's crazy
Yea lol
Remember when Diane was actually cool in the books
Remember when Diane didn’t look like an ugly OC?
Book Diane looks like a JoJo OC.
book diane isn't TOO bad in my opinion but I do prefer game diane
It’s the eyes and the lips
And also her neck
Giraffe
thats mean
its canon
Mixded art@@!@!!!1
Nice
What’s cannon
Are the books canon
yes
everything is (apparently)
Really everything
xcept fan games lol
lore discussion
"When new neighbors move in"
bro I'm ready
Hiiiiiii
lol
hi

lol
actually
now I think that the thing we see in AS is not a luck device
but, one of the gems from RD
I didnt even understood what the gems are, except than an item preventing u from "resetting"
i got hello neighbor 2 early
lol
That's basically all they are
To my knowledge
And it makes sense too
Considering Enzo is the one who picks it up, and has one in reset day
HELLO....
HI...
I wonder if the books are still going to be canon when HN2 comes out, or if the developers made their own thing
books are still canon
why would they be not canon if HN2 releases?
heck, Nikita said mayak will explain how books tie into the games
and we all know mayak is gonna be an important part in HN2
HN2 will prob just make the books more canon, than they are now
wait the books arent cannon are they?
they are
they are canon
apparently they are in a different timeline tho
but i would say all the events from the books happened in the games if they are in a different timeline
so can we atleast take hints
I‘m not sure if I like the phrases "canon, but in a different timeline"
i mean
no
that is how canon works in a lot of other franchises
no
if there a another timeline does that not meant the games we plau could also linked
or is the book and game on a different time period
I just experienced a story-telling nightmare in another franchise , where the people didn’t seem to care about the already established lore, and it really hurts the community as a whole
basically book writer created a problem and now fans trying to explain all this problems
You mean plot holes?
yeah kinda
i use time stamps instead because it makes more sense
2 different timelines tell 2 different stories in the same universe
That both could have happened
ok i understood that
wait thats it
that why i use time stamps instead
ike we know whats the past
i still dont get time stamps
and most franchises i actually know the lore of dont use "time stamps"
i will en;lightni u
to me
timelines, universes and dimensions make more sense
yes u
actually wouldn't the books make more sense as a different dimension
time lines would mean that the were two option and the booexplains what would happen if he did this or thst
Yea
or do events that only happen in the books exist
Also yes
just follow the plot of the main games if you want to know all the main things in the story
thats what i mean
actually
ppl use the word time line in two ways
the books are basically the definition of a different dimension
unless there are book only events
in which yes it is a different timeline
I would much prefer one single canon story
are there actually any different universes in HN
Makes the whole thing lesss confusing
That would be ideal
wait i have to go to class
then what they are doing
wait
thats the whole point of them
I haven’t read them
i have only read the first
wait
they expanding yet not really important to games story
because actual main events are already in-game
WAIT
We can’t wait for you to stop having classes
OK go on
and they already explained enough
are there any tho
That’s the question
Are there any book events that couldn’t have happened in the game‘s story
if there aren't then its a different dimension
And- did the developers use the in the books expanded story for HN2?
If the books take place in a different dimension, I‘m definitely not going to buy them
I would totally be fine if they are minor stories within the games‘ canon universe
all the games and books are leading to hn2
well technically if its a different dimension then all the book events happen in the game dimension except with different time periods and or different character designs
you can even see they aren't announcing more books
because main "plot spot" is in hn2
That is a best case scenario for me
it is like the series what if
the changes from books to games are nothing like what if
books are basically the game events but with different character designs and different time periods
unless there are book only events
no one has given me an answer yet
answer
also don't forget that books aren't from main story writer
Answer to what?
i know
we dont know if its a different timeline
it can be
but no one is answering me
are there?
what
we only know that HN2 will explain how books tie into the games
whats the question
wt do u mean
which, will only make the books more canon
huh

Seems like I‘ll have to wait for HN2 to come out
they are
but sets the mood
since book 1 got more money than first game, no, they are important now
to see how the books tie into the games
guess why
idk if they are important to HN 1 all that much but they will be to HN 2
most likely no
if they do tie we might to change the whole lore
because there's lots of players who doesn't care even about hn as franchise
if the pecies fit in
I‘m going to buy the books if I can be sure that they tell me more about what happens/happened in the games
i do not have to waste money
the book events already happen in the games
so it wont change the entire lore
well yes and no
basically there's about 10 books....
the only thing it would change is like.... the character designs and time periods
each book has about 200 pages....
just buy book 1, 2 and 3
so basically about 2000 pages you need to read to understand very important hn plot

What bugs me more than the amount of books is the fact that they were written by a person who writes stories about all of the popular indie-horror games
So no special connection to hn in particular(?)
How can I trust that this person cares a lot about these stories
fnaf books 😵💫
luckily fnaf books aren't in the same universe as the games
On the other hand, experience isn’t a bad thing
that would cause 1000s of problems
(That wasn’t directed at you, more like… in general)
In case any of the developers were thinking about a crossover
ok
no
there are no different timeline, and different dimensions
they do 
yes
like GAAP got demolished right before act 1 in the books
it doesnt
it doesnt take place in a different dimension or a timeline
Ok so, books and games are supposed to be the same story, but they have minor differences
exactly
and, the creator said that the weather station, mayak will explain the inconsistencies between books and games
dont ask me how a weather station can explain lore
I don’t even know who mayak is
Ahh
its a weather station
built by neighbor's parents
That makes more sense
which will explain the inconsistences between books and games
nah🙂
building with an eye that somehow will explain all plot holes from the books can't make more sense
yet hn1 and hs makes sense
I won‘t condemn anything before it’s even released
At this point you can‘t say that it’s impossible to explain the inconsistencies
at this point we can't say anything
Yes
!mute @everyone till_hn2_release
We can criticize it afterwards if it doesn’t turn out well
Or we can speculate how they might do it
you mute staff too ? 😂
everyone
Best case: It‘s a very good explanation that ties the books and games together and everyone is happy
we can't speculate much considering the fact how much they hiding from us
why did you mute me😭
Im not saying its impossible
but
inconsistencies explained by a weather station is pretty weird
We don’t know anything about that weather station- maybe its a cover up for something bigger?
FNAF: we agree that books take place in a different timeline
HN: mayak will explain everything
we kinda do
mayak can control weather
its built by neighbor's parents
thats all we know
wanna bet there's will be some kind of time machine with that Neighbor trying to find ideal timeline without anyone is dying
so hn became surreal as shit
I‘m not a big fan of stories with time travel
not like i am fan of it
A story with time travel needs very strongly implemented rules to make it work
that's the problem
hn started as realistic game, with events that can happen in our real life
but then books added... what they added, ghosts?
Yes, that!
i don't remember
If there is magic in the world, please implement that from the beginning
So people know what they are getting into
time travel is prob not gonna be in HN2
but, time loops def will
well we don't know for sure
so don't say it like that
we don't even know how is game looks like at all
If the books implemented them, it’s possible
It can be well-executed
That’s why I don’t want to judge everything too early
let's just wait for release
after that we gonna say that game is good plot is bad

not only books
but even the cartoon show
so, its very much likely that time loops are gonna be in HN2
I thought the cartoon just published 1 episode
i doubt another will come
a whole season has been completed
Oh wait you don’t mean the animated cartoon
they just want some company to pick it up
yes, Alex said it in this discord
he also said that ep.2 will be the intro of HN2
why would a company pick up a show based on a game that got horrible reviews
¯_(ツ)_/¯
What got horrible reviews?
HN 1
Where?
Ah what a shame
Yeah I can imagine that
the current 1.4 version is pretty good IMO
To eliminate like 90% of the bugs in a game like this you have to do a tedious amount of playtesting
yeah its actually playable lmao
32bit doesn't have multis so it's good
1.1.9 is the best
Wait really?
I though, it's a dead project
It would be really say if no company wants to pick it up specifically because it had a lot of backlash and most of the fans will be younger kids
Smth about that project feels... Off...
But i think, that it would be cool
petersons wife dies in car crash>son gets angry>son accidentally pushes daughter off the roof and kills her>peterson locks him up in the basement>nicky sees him and sneaks into the basement>Nicky gets caught by peterson>Nicky wakes up in the basement and petersons son unlocks the door>Nicky escapes the house>hello neighbor 2
Yep
Basically
ya
Old Nicky animations are an important part of the lore
Oops, when they copied tiny crow name, i gave surnames for avoid confusion
And i forget to remove Jacky's surname
"Tiny Crow" is very smart with HN2

Is diane really dead?
yes
yes
Correct
yes
😔
i didn't say anything about minecraft
No she faked her death because the committed tax fraud
@young kayak
@copper wave
classic loves to be invisible so...
stepman as well
wait
yes
do they set their status to invisible just because the funni
maybe
thats not very helpful
I do it when I load the modkit
why?
you can change that
so
that was clearly a big part of old lore
the basement in the museum is glowing
very reminiscent to the basement in AS
and, from the gem he was having, we know that he was working on the time loops in AS
so, the glow from the basement door in the museum might indicate that he is still working on the time loops
could be
we dont know yet
Museum glow is probably just to say “yo this is the place that ur meant to go to”
Like hn1 with the exit doors
its either a basement/something Ted is hiding, or an exit
Yes
likely something which he's hiding, cuz the thing which he was hiding in AS was glowing too, and its nighttime outside
but, Im not disagreeing to the opinion of it being an exit
It's most likely just something the developers forget to remove or something
or just telling you where you're supposed to go
I don't think gameplay reveals really have much lore tied into them
I don’t see how the devs forgor to remove a large glowing box from behind the door
And then looked at it for like an hour while editing the gameplay for the deep dive
yeah alot of games have that
jesus i haven't been online for so long
and?
and i thought it was the guest, but the description and even the carving don't match up with what we see in the game
for example, the book says this crow this has gnarled feathers and things hanging off of its limbs
wait imma try to get a picture
brb
i really don't get this
even the wiki says its the guest, but it still confuses me
like the guest looks like this
and as you can see, its totally different
but who knows
it might have been difficult to design, and might have not matched the artstyle
there could be so many reasons
even piper's description of this thing in the book doesn't match up with the guest
it's hurting my brain
throughout the book it thought this was some creature summoned by the forest protectors or something, before they got caught
or maybe this thing possessed mr peterson and made a costume to resemble its orginal form
i really have no idea
if you know pleeease give me an explanation, that would be great
by the way why does the guest send piper an image of mr peterson?
I know that the guest is an alter ego of Ted but still, why mr peterson? Why not just a picture of the guest?
this is just a drawing
by the townsfolk
and, we know that whatever the crow thing is, its the guest
cuz Piper sees a mustache under the beak
ohhhh
it kinda does
who knows?
i guess
but the feathers still confuse me a bit
they might add them in in the full game tho
guest does have feathers ingame
also reset day takes place in 2021 right?
yes
ok
here
guest without clothes 
oh
if the neighbor was 50 at the time of Hide and seek, which took place parallel to missing pieces
oops internet crashed
which took place in 1995, and reset day took place in 2020
(and we know mr peterson was alive then, since we saw a photo)
that would mean that he's 75 years old
holy moley
mr peterson should be dead
that might be possible, considering we've had time travel, devices that can affect luck, machines that can cause floods
ok my internet is laggy as
mr peterson, more like mr afton
"I always come back."
maybe he kidnaps kids so he can stuff them into suits?
game theory: hello neighbor and fnaf: shared universe
xd
i swear tho
he pulled a springtrap
true
hes the same age as joe biden during reset day, and most elderly surpass the age of 70
people can live past 70 lmao
*time loops
not time travel
Guest is probably an alternate persona of the Neighbor.
or maybe its his fear like the shadow is to Nicky.
people can live a long time
I heard of some that made it to 120
Well
I think one person made it to 120
but I've heard people have made it to 116
yeah
some lady made it to 122
is the guest a forest portecter
no
no
what is he then?
the neighbor
but the neighbor is locked up?
no
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Start of discussion, and why we can't
tiny crow im the only one allowed to be tiny
also
is hello engineer canon
its not right
It happens when they are having a beyblede battle with the neighbor
No @swift cedar it takes place during the events of the "Nog Simming" discord channel, because for One Nicky Roth (The Player in HN1) is missing from the game, and Two, In the intro for a second the radio says that the police are currently investigating reports of a missing child (Just like in the "Nog Simming" channel)
@tame quartz Yes Hello Engineer is canon
If you think it is not then I will do everything in my power to suport me
Fun Fact: I spent two hours on google (since I don't have a tablet) looking for this bit of text that makes me think the the thing (from Hn1) is a demon thing as mentioned in (What I atleast think) the HN content exspansion the townsfolk of Raven Brooks have a urban legend where a deadly and thorny Thing drives some townspeople mad and it fits The Thing quite well.
I couldn't find it
Where did you found that?
I said I couldn't find it
But it is somewhere
The HN content exspanion is only 2 weeks old
so it is hard to find stuff related to it
@errant hazel Found the page, it was on the frickin Hello Neighbor Wiki.
The content exspanion is called Nicky's diaries so that's why I assume that it is from the content exspanion'

Why?
It isn’t, it’s from the book, I reconize it 
Btw @shrewd dove That is the name of the content exspanion, I don't have a tablet/phone but I checked on youtube and that is the name, Nicky's Diaries
But I don't know
I think it might be idk
it's been a thing since they showed key arts with Neighbor and Guest
different parts of Neighbor - good and bad
wait wut
the guest drowned the neighbor?
ohh wait
are u talking about the 2nd graphic novel
plz don't spoil cause i haven't read either of them
it's in the notebook
stop that was 1 day ago
"stop"
mate i'm just trying to be helpful not sarcastic
ok but Jackzilla already informed me
Yes
I suppose this is one of the gems from book 7
the gem inside should look like a piece of something
but, the gem inside this, doesnt look like a piece of something tho
You’ve talked about this 2-3 times now
no answers to this still
Just to be sure neighbor locked Aaron in the basement right
Did you know that this takes place 2 days before Act 1
The pilot of the tv show I mean
Meaning someone stole that gem thing before act 1 but after the tv show
Presumably the neighbor took it back
as it is not in the act 1 map
Becuase the end of the pilot (which is 1 day after the rest of the pilot) lines up with when Nicky in book 3 comes back home the day before act 1.
so
yeah
no i have evidence
It used to be canon.
During Alpha 4-Beta 3.
But that storyline is gone.
And got replaced by the story we have now.
Where Nicky is not related to Ted in any way.
Which is in the same universe as Time Loops and Luck changing devices
again back to my theory that you are the son of the neighbor
otherwise why would this picture hang in our apartment?
That is from beta 3 have you played the full game?
we also have evidence. 5 games and 7 books
and they even broke some rules too

well you should also make sure the things you say are in line with the rules of this server aswell
I actually knew that i would break some rules in the middle of my writing. Well it was worth it
anyway lore
o l d
Tuctom just woke up from a 4 year coma
no
Enzo and his family has it
in book 7
meaning, they were the ones who took it
your evidence is old evidence
its from betas
not full game
and, hide and seek, hello neighbor 2, and the books confirmed that player is NOT neighbor's son
omg we've been over this two times already
Throw a chair at their head usually works for me
:0 thanks
i have a theory: YOU are the neighbor but the neighbor is you from the future as a time traveller
Hello neighbor 2 X No time to explain crossover
This game went from a home invasion to stranger things season 5

I have a theory too but people think it’s stupid but my theory is you could be the kids but your dreaming of being you (the player) and the dream is about the player trying to find them (it’s basically just saying it’s all a dream)
Its no dream
they could go with the dream theory any day
I think they said there are no dreams in the game
Exactly
Act 3: am I a joke to you?
the neighbor has a time machine in that one locked room in the basement confirmed.
Describe the hello neighbor Community in 3 words
k
and I'm back
Hello
Fact: The Man In The Hat spies on the Neighbor (Based off the Secret Neighbor trophy) and presumably the Guest
Ok
Act three isn’t a dream I think act 3 is the one where he faces his fears and goes back to the neighbors house and the painting of eyes are his constant fear of being watched but the way he trembles about when he sees the shadow figure in the Neighbors house ruins is because of his ptsd and anxiety
Well that’s what I think
technically it is a dream
Well yea but he faces his fears within his dream but mostly that’s what I think
but mentally he fighted with his fears...
Yep
i think the reason why the neighbor's house in act 3 is destroyed is because of the flood
or after the events of act 2 aaron burnt the house down to finally stop his dad or something
and thats why we haven't seen or heard from him
wait imma try to find a pic
ok
i know a lot of people say that the shadow represents aaron locked in the basement by his dad, and then the neighbor's guilt over this
but i also think that the shadow is the guest
because as you know the guest is the alter ego of the neighbor
basically all of his evil and insanity and sorrow
and if the shadow is the guest, it would make sense because he's locking away the evil inside of him
and he's trapped by the maniefestation of the guilt for all the evil things he's done
idk
thats my theory
that would be cool if they were hinting at the guest from the 1st game
which was nearly 4 years ago
holy

go watch the last QNA
Nikita literally says it in their
Nikita said nothing in HN was a dream
exactly
dumb and dumber
better then fnaf's
Full of theorist
not full
many of theorist
well, MITH isnt guest
cuz, extended HG ending
HG was an alpha
not cannon
meh
i'm mean i'm just speaking facts i completely agree that MITH isn't guest
bc i mean IT WAS LITERALLY CONFIRMED THAT NEIGHBOR IS GUEST
and everyone disregards that

so
I have a few theorys on how the neighbor's house got destroyed
- Aaron burnt the house down. Well, Alex did say that HS will reveal who burnt the house, and Aaron was the fire 🔥 🔥
- An angry mob could've very well burned the house, cuz from book 7, we know that when Raven Brooks gets mad, they get mad, like really mad
- Could be the vandals, who burnt the house
- House could've been swept out by the massive flood
- House could've been destroyed by the tornado
Interesting, but i don't think, that Aaron set the house on fire, but it is possible
ye
But it could have been an accident
If 4 or 5 are the case, then how didn't Nicky's house get destroyed?
Maybe
Don't know, good point
explanation for no.4: well, Nicky's house is tilted
explanation for no.5: the tornado comes towards neighbor's house, when Quentin puts stuff in the mill, in alpha 1
4 can be unlikely
but 5 is very likely
as, in alpha 1, when you summon the tornado and mill, when you put stuff in the mill, tornado comes towards it
True
so, tornado prob wont destroy Nicky's house
Yea 5 is a possibility
Wait what?
There's tornado in HN2 alpha 1?
Where, and do you summon it??
only with developer's console
Nwm
I think vandals destroyed the house
I mean, the house look kinda burned, not destroyed by tornado
- if Mr. Peterson left the old house, than it would make sense that some random vandals would destroy it like in GAAP in HG
And people don't like Mr. Peterson and his parents
could be
and, if what the neigbhor did, comes to light....
ppl would get really mad
Yeah
but
cuz, the tornado is focused to come to one place, I think it was the tornado which destroyed the house
How is it focused?
you put stuff in the mill
tornado comes there
the more you put
the more closer it comes
and
guest will try to take away the stuff you put in the mill
yes
Well, if mayak can summon, or do something with storms...
Why mill couldn't summon a tornado...
I mean bring it closer or move it
Well, than the question is, why it's moving it to Ted's house?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
K, anyway thx


I always got a question in book 6
neighbor crafted a luck device using the parts Ike had
and, he got luck, just automatically
shouldnt he do the ritual?
That's actually true
Never thought about that
Yeah, he had luck - german agents left Raven Brooks that day
Diane's lawyer found a loophole in the taxes
Still no lore about Harold
The guy with the garlic breath
who
Book 6
Bruh
what
He is one of the ravens
Whats confusing
nvm
Oh, I remember
I mean, he's not important very much...
or is he
i find it really dumb that aaron literally took down a secret society that had existed for decades, and then just gets locked up by his crazy dad
w h a t
like when u look at all the lore we've been given and all the crazy things that have happened, now it just seems really.... uhhh.. boring
literally aaron getting put into the basement only scratches the surface of all the lore
also throughout nicky's book series, he made the neighbor sound like the biggest threat in existance, and in the next trilogy, he's outclassed by the murderous ravens
its such a huge escalation, from insane guy putting his kid in the basement so he wouldn't be taken away, then to an extremely old, muderous, secret society using devices that change luck, and then machines capable of causing massive scale disasters, and finally to time loops
the first hello neighbor seems so small compared to the rest of the franchise
HN lore is weird
ikr
i probably would like HN lore if it was just about the neighbor loosing his family and then you breaking into his basement
the lore was so simple back then
basically just HN 1 and H&S lore
well, he also doomed his family at the end
Forest Protector Society
Well, now you have this whole guest thing, and i think that's interesting
Well, he is a thread to Nicky, because Nicky don't know anything about his past + he's outclassed by ravens because Ted is trying to be normal, and also it would be strange, if he was the biggest thread to Aaron, because it's his own father
true
although i feel like we have to many bird villains in this series
first we had the guest, and then the forest protectors
like 2 evil birds are enough
lore related
Kinda true - 3rd one would be bad
well, the town is called Raven brooks
it'd be weird if they had flying hamsters
hamster brooks
nice reference @silver vine
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the guest is a copycat of the forest protector society
there's a theory going around that it's an entity pretending to be ted
or something
idk
my theory
tbf, it isnt
its a whole another urban legend
called as "Raven Man"

