#lore-discussion
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want me to write a list?
time jump
nft exists
ill write a list
frame*
2 neighbors
Is this a Neighbor Guest Debate in July 2021
etc.
man in hat has a similar body frame to the gust

dear god
no he doesnt lmao
yes
small head
This is what happens without HN2 full game
vandals too
We can wait tho
fun fact
Can't wait until everyone is wrong and the Guest actually never existed
and all the characters I listed have skinny arms
guest is the only other person who uses the leitmotif that was used for theodore in hn1 and hs

the odds of them being the same person is a 50/50
in the alphas
Which one?
are canon
so
90% of our evidence is fully released stuff
the one in the fast part of the alpha 3 intro
you will most likely get your answer in the full version
and stuff teasing full game
š« š©
Mate
Alphas
Are canon
now go drink some pickle juice and sleep
Oh.
not completely
you arent canon
HN1 alphas are canon
unless the books, devs teasing, and all our other evidence is in alpha stage
dude
the books are alphas š
the book guest just send a picture of ted
music plays a part in the theory
Yes
he also had a mustache
you dont see in his mask
you do
genius
with the given context, its shown why
Video to where it plays in HN2ās soundtrack?
end of 1.5 intro
and by the time guest can get to piper, who shows worry of ted during the book, ted shows her that he's the person who's been chasing her,
and also
so far they've only called us stupid in response
with the part with the mustache
in one of the casette tapes in the nicky trilogy ted's mustache was described as a horn
and again in reset day
ted also does his insane screams, also from the nicky trilogy
and he texts piper just like he talked to nicky
the way he worded things
Does Ted types correctly
yes (he uses discord regularly)
That ending part is from Nickyās theme. Which basically becomes the HN theme since itās leitmotif is heard everywhere in the series.
what
what no
Nicky is the Guest confirmed
the leitmotif only plays when theodore is the subject of a section
and its all 9 notes
not just 3 descending notes
swear š³
Neighbor Guest uses Reddit
true
Because they both have 3 ending notes
toxic
redditors are some of the most toxic people I've ever met
Sorry for being wrong.
am I toxic?
depends
Even worse than dream stans??
no not that bad
also I just go on bing and download images
nobody is worse than a dream stan
I dont go on reddit
riight
bing 
how about this
this chat hurts
none of us know who the guest is
yes we do
sure
its ted
we do
N o o n e k n o w s
its a fact its ted!!!
what
Tedās leitmotif
go to alpha 3 and it plays at the part when nicky starts speeding up
it plays a few times
You dont know wait for the full game if its ted its ted if its someone else its someone else now lets PLEASE shut up š
but we do know
we just spent all this time showing you the ted guest evidence
Iām listening to it right now
lets stop this headache
and you havent given us any evidence
please
too early?
And I canāt hear those 3 notes
the end
hn2 is releasing in a few months and it has been in development since the start of 2019, making it not too early

Ill stop when you give some anti neighbor guest evidence that doesnt have to do with proportions (which can be explained with the time jump)
keyart isnt canon
do their body frames look similar?
actually it was late 2018 get it right smh
I can have 2 of the main character on my keyart
doesnt mean theyre not the same person
and im not saying keyart is canon
Keyart isn't canon 
genius
literally
Im using them to show theodore
do you not know about the time jump lol
Does it matter if they show them in the same image?
we dont know what theodore looks like in the time jump
Actually
well we know hed look older
and skinnier
and like the neighbor seen in the ted guest images
What about the book 7 cover 
we do, actually
book 7
which
believe it or not
is designed similarly
to
confirms Neighbor Guest
He is still bulky in the book 7 cover
body shape and all
dont talk about proportions for RD neighbor either cause diane has a completely different design in the books
and enzo and maritza arent white in the first 3
exactly
is n
wait that's a sticker w h a t
i dont want to use your damn stickers discord
stopp automatically suggesting them
I hate her design in the books.
at least she doesnt look like a college student
neighbor is a girl š
She has ugly lips and a bland dress
game diane has a better design imo
Youāre going to bring the Beta fandomās weird shit back.
dont even
don't remind me of THAT
the secret neighbor designs wasnt made at the time
Betaās fandom was-
enzo is white in Aarons books
the SN diane is from HS
thats why I said first 3
Dianeās face was shown in Hide & Seekās launch trailer.
Every horror story has a beginning.
Get on the Epic Games Store (PC) - https://store.epicgames.com/product/hello-neighbor-hide-and-seek
iOS - https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hello-neighbor-hide-seek/id1437247965?mt=8
PS4 - https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/UP0097-CUSA13974_00-HNHIDEANDSEEK4NA
Xbox One - https://www.microsoft.com/en-u...
I will say that diane looks diffrent
AS diane also uses book design
technically
since they reused a photo from the books
animated series
its the same drawing tho
They remade it
did they?
not that
I know
.
.
Hold on
game diane still best diane
see you in 2040
you mean when empathy (hn2) releases
Can someone show me book 5 Diane?
I think its the same
yeah
I love how Aaronās default expression is a dead inside expression
and cross eyed
aarons lazy eyes should have been more of a thing
its a cool detail thats probably not intentional
frog aaron
but it kinda fits his character
same pattern as diane (baker is the ghost of diane)
quentin has a shirt similar to the guests
his eyes are fine ish here
true
No
when you live in small towns alot of people can have the exact same clothes due to the fact there's only one store and maybe a helping hand that sells/exchanges clothes
Aaron is scary now
Yes that is scarier then⦠horror movies
Son (Aaron Peterson) 2
Peterson Aaron
Aaron (Son Peterson)
Son Diane (Mr Mya)
Diane (Aaron) Peterson Theodore Mya
Nicky Peterson Aaron (Diane Roth) Mr Theodore Mya Lucy (Guest YI)
The Theodore (Aaron) Guest Roth (Diane) Nicky Mya Lucy (Peterson) Piper (The)
this is what no alpha 2 does
Roger Roth (Peterson Lucy) Adele YI (Guest Aaron) Mya Diane (Guest Cleave) Gordon Piper (Enzo Tillman) Trinity The
Or suffer the wrath of ligma
what about bofa
you forgot candice
I shot Candice.
sugondese wont like that
sawcon disagrees
It is confirmed. Alex said alphas give hints
Guest is old neighbor
In the files, we have a model called neighbor old
He is just the neighbor, but skinnier
They already did
Nikita said it himself lol
Then why does guest have the same exact moustache Ted has?
Guest's right leg also twitches when he sleeps
Same exact thing neighbor does in HN1
both of them have a limp
they wouldnt have made that a character trait unless it was important
Nikita himself said he will never lie
guys, you are so good, you always believe everyone, thinking that they will never lie to you for their own benefitš
I hear it now.

its also in alpha 4 intro, act 2 ending, act 3 when nicky drives by teds house, nicky getting ptsd when the phone rings, hs stage 3 ending when ted drops the purse, hn2 alpha 1.5 intro
i go into more detail here
Iāve always loved Nickyās theme
Itās so good it got remixed 2 times.
Speaking of Nickyās theme
What if we had a broken version in HN2
Signifying his trauma or something like that
Just read the argument above lmao love how the guy was then " let's say nobody knows who he is"
Hurts to be wrong huh
sigh* mate
the leg twitch
yes that does probably mean they are related
but I was actually pissed off
about these people
basically hammering me
and not even considering what I was saying
Because you we're wrong
which is why I wanted out of this brain cancer inducing arguement
There's nothing to theorize
The devs gave us everything
The models the images the texts
again
Just wait till the full game
I really want to shut up about this
this gives me headaches
Because you're desperately hoping that when the game releases there is a small chance that the guest is someone else
there is still a chance dude
even if it is ted
until I see his face under the mask I dont believe it
or see a alpha 2 skinny ted
(or full game)
and if it is someone else
im gonna laugh my head off if I remember this
so january 2020
and I'm leaving because gavin doesnt listen to anything
im just gonna wait till tiny crow comes on
Hm
Ya
And tiny crow ain't gonna help with you being wrong
It's hard to defend someone when there wrong
it isnt "we dont know who the guest is"
its "we know who the guest is but you arent accepting it"
The Guest is Mya
exactly
A small chance
Those chances are really, REALLY minuscule
The only thing that could possibly disprove it is Guest armās being long.
like the amount of trolling (a little trolling)
There could be multiple guests
why would there be
Fair point
Like the Xenomorphs in that one Alien game?
Where there were multiple Xenomorpjs taking turns chasing and attacking you
Yeah, kinda like that
Maybe the "guest world" is literally a world of guests from different universes and timelines
And there's just like
An infinite amount of guests

Thereās still a bunch of evidence for Neighbor Guest
besides the fact that it was proven
The guest is revealed to be every HN character
true
Thereās also evidence to counter the āGuest isnāt Tedā argument
Like the limp
Some people may say itās faked
music
But it twitches when Guest is sleeping
Aaron is just really good at impersonating his dad 
I donāt think someone faking it would have it twitch when asleep.
*mya
I am here
Whats your question
He thinks Guest isnāt Neighbor
Despite the HUGE amount of evidence that confirms it.
So far they still haven't given any counter evidence
I don't care about malicious things. but I can see good intentions
Their counter evidence is āOh the full game hasnāt come out yet.ā
That isn't counter evidence
on one condition
the alphas arent fully canon
Thatās what theyāre trying to use to counter it.
we cant assume anything
The characters are
Meaning ted guest is canon
also heres a fact
lets shut the heck up
But, Alex himself said alphas give hints to full game
this causes headaches
Beatrix is canon, Vandals are canon, the children are canon.
Youāre causing headaches.
So, we can theorize
tiny crow is being smart
Here's a fact every model in HN is made during development of the game, that doesn't mean they aren't canon
we can theorize about the full game and not this crap
Well maybe stop being wrong 
What crap
For the love of god
Why can't you guys just let them think what they want to think, I get you guys are just trying to tell him the truth but seriously it's dumb and it starts wars 
because theyre wrong
because its true but you arent accepting it
just let them be wrong it's just gonna start a war 
lets please stop
Yes
listen to dizzy

This always starts wars, there's no point
Speak the truth


crow since this place is kinda toxic
no, names in gifs
can we just leave and go to the server I made
No
the war is over
there is someone on this server who listens to what I say and listens well
again gavin drags it on
komete
you remind me of myself in a sense
Okay
Time loop
always so stubborn

Youāre argument is like saying 1+1 = 3 when it obvious equals 2.

ah dont we all love trolling
But what if it does equal 3 š³
half life 3 confirmed
oh my god its finally here
YESSS
no way
Diane got decapitated and her body is being held up by a mannequin.
yeah
yes
The Guest
Imbir is Guest
Im back guys
I just want to say one last thing
And we will close of with neigbhor guest argument
thats fine
Hmmm
Book 7 says Piper saw a mustache inside guest's beak
And there is also a neighbor model in the files called neighbor_old
End of ch 11
k
And this model is a model of Mr.Peterson
Except
He is wayy skinnier
Like the guest
See this is actual evidence
Yes
excluding the model
those people didnt mention the mustache beak thing
as far as the model im still skeptic
Why?
HG isnt even scrapped
Nikita said this: HG kinda is a part of HN2
In his personal YT stream
yeah
And also in discord he said HG and ROTM arent scrapped
I think he just means hg like gameplay will happen in the open world.
Guest is Mya 
GASP
GAAP
Run on the mill
I dont remember it
Rumble on the Mill
Oh ye
Other than his leg limp and leg twitch and facial test animations and leitmotiffs and skinny models, this is the strongest evidence we have
leg limp is true
im still gonna ignore the facial tests
Both in HN1 and HN2
Why
Hmmm
yeah
Mike says guest was created to stalk the player
So, the main thing he's gonna do in the game is stalk you
It seems, that they wanted to showcase the stalker AI first. thats why they released something called HG
Museum 
will we be able to see him put the costume on?
because if so
and the guest is skinny
logic doesnt work in HN anymore
I have a theory for that
Now that we know guest exists in 2021
And there is also a skinny version of Ted called neighbor old
So, we either have a time jump or...
Future neighbor could have traveled back in time
Or, could have looped time all the way back to the 90s
A time jump is unlikely but still there is a slight chance
yeah
Or, Guest becoming skinny is just HN logic
Official Picture from TB
I feel like half of HN2
will be when nicky is in the basement
and half in the future
We aint gonna have acts in HN2 tho
I feel like when you get in the basement Mr Peterson is gonna put the Guest suit on
what's Seamless
A game with no loading screens or respawns
I fee like a 4 year old that doesn't know what Seamless is
OH
the game sounds better
Nikita says that the acts in HN2 are gonna be more like side quests
Interview
It'll be cool if the side quest was like a Link's Awakening type
where you would give a person a item and he would give you another one
He said that when you go to a certain place, chunks of stories will open up
then give the item the first person gave you to another person
woah
So, ig that HG is gonna be one of those acts/side quests
imagine if you could set Mr Peterson's house on fire as one of the acts
then quentin would get arrested
I, more like WE
No time jumps, Nikita said itās only when Nicky is a kid.
ok
Some ppl like krahen say there will be a time jump
So, I have to include his too
Well the guest seems to be somewhere in the future
Also park Quentin has different proportions than journalist
ye
Plus doing construction on a house takes a lot of time, aka adding an extension and removing/adding walls
2 theories I think are true: Guest is Mr. Peterson from the future, and 2. Quentin is related to ike in some way, idk how, maybe brother.
But we dunno if they'll keep the redesign
Wdym
Extension was added before HN2
Says who
Only the useless extension was added later
Because when Quentin comes it is there I am pretty sure.
Says 16 hour stream
That's what I mean
?
16 hour stream is a weird build
so?
It didnt
Extension wonāt be shown in game, like how would you do that. Itās built into the house, bet itās a dev choice.
Menu house, a1 house, 1.5 house, hello teaser house, 16 hour stream house, possible others im either forgetting or haven't been shown
AI trailer was recent too
And the house is different
What house?
Teds house 
Except the basement scene and the friendly court scene, we didnt even see it
Stream had windows
I aint seeing any windows
Am I blind?
Or does it have transparent windows?
Windows with no lines?
.
How do we know AI trailer build doesnt have windows?
maybe the glass is just super transparent?
you can see cracks in it here but idk
yeah nvm I dont think living room has them
ted pokes his head out sometimes
Meaning no windows at all, it would be weird if just some had windows and some not lol.
I did
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i guess you can see it
eew diane
She looks like a anime girl
worse
Anime girls donāt have lips that look like bees stung them
In games, she looks like a college girl
In books she looks like a normal mother, but with weird lips
I cant tell is diane white in the books
wh
or is it just a darker tone
not even trying to sound offensive I literally cannot tell with the way they drew her
compared to like, ted in puzzle master
at all what
her skin color is not like in game?
its definitely not
there isn't even glass, and why is this in lore discussion
She looks blackish
glass is important to the lore
real
She has a small tan maybe
But like
Good lord
She looks so ugly
She looks normal in the family painting
There she has normal looking lips
I suppose this is the tree, Ted chopped down in book 3
No I mean alpha 2
Nvm there isnāt
That is farther away, so not the same tree.
š
Humans can't touch a tree?
he says he can touch the tree from his window
id say that's an early model, if hello guest does stay. id say they will make a new model for park quentin.
it was made around the time the other characters (beatrix, the guest, etc.) were made and they havent been remade
they remade quentin
they wouldnt fully model and texture and animate a character just to scrap it
into the journalist uniform
no thats just changing some proportions and adding some stuff
he wasnt remade he was revamped
but thats just for one section of the game
so they may remake him
no I mean its tricky cause the animations wouldnt match up
they made his fingers longer on park quentin
yeah
for their god-animator no

we know for sure that press quentin is here to stay
so they might change park quentins hands
same with park 
if they keep him
why would they
well why not
yeah
you bring your phone with you everywhere dont you
t h e y d o n t h a v e c e l l p h o n e s i n t h e 9 0 s
unless this does take place in the future
which I doubt
HE has them
HE has them
dumb phones
you can find a phone on the map to distract guest
thats an old style phone
im talking about like
the flat ones

from the 2000's
HE has smart phones
HE is cursed anyway
on the menu maritza is using one
Hello engineer?
yes
I dont think that's fully canon
how so
well we can say that it's just sn trailer to show that sn is on mobile now.....
THIS is about what a phone should look like in HN
š
and surprisingly it is
in hn2
besides
I heard someone say that keyart wasnt canon
or art at least
again canon word
keyart is not canon
as always
you can put the main character on keyart twice but that doesnt mean they're separate people 
then dont use art as evidence then
I never have...?
the menu isnt keyart
its an in game thing
keyart is used for advertising and stuff
now reminder
keyart isnt canon but it can still include canon things
logic exploded
keyart itself isnt canon. but it can include things that are canon, such as characters and events in the game. just because something is in the keyart doesnt mean it isnt canon, if that were the case none of the characters in HN2 would be canon and there would be a paradox
we dont know where HE takes place in the timeline
thats what I said
it almost doesn't have proper lore
no it doesnt
only 3 new missing kids
that's it
even more, imagine making very important game with deep lore for stadia only
Plot Twist: Maritza is a time traveller
how much peoples played HE at all? 200?
for stadia it's already big number
it's just game to get more money from google, so they can support hn2 more
this is accurate
have either of you played HE
stadia
what about it
read closely and you'll find the sarcasm
they need to be open so I can mod
not stadia
Itās a timed exclusive. Weāll get it on other consoles soon.
yeah me too but I've still played HE
so what
soon means after 1 year
and we don't even know is 1 year timer started already with early access of HE
no one even talked about lore related things in #hello-engineer
only edited sn neighbor on random levels
I haven't played it because of stadia
like most of this server
yep
This is a new inventors club called CROW
why not raid valve for free robux and free half life 3
that sounds like a good name
C: We
R:Abandoned
O:Nicky
W:And left him for dead
you mean WANA
W:We
A:Ate
N:Nicky
A:And consumed Aaron
What
What
What
What
Who
or did he, uh I mean what
When
Why
How
Mya is guest confirmed
Facts
HN discord lore: I feel like if yall did this a year or two ago you would've gotten muted for spam lol
true
And this is why I hate buried secrets.
I mean its CROW now
Club Trinity, Enzo, and Maritza, and Nicky made for something I forgot
It was with the enviornment or something
Engineering Masters of the Universe
Engineering
engineering masters of the universe
Remember when Nicky made himself look crazy infront of everyone. Favorite part of mine
I don't really like reset day, it feels very slow paced with lots of filler in it.
Also kind of boring in my opinion
I agree
But I like the guest parts
And I like guidebook, cuz its the only book as of rn, canon to the games
Theyāre all canon

Everyone accepted books are a different universe

I know all books are canon
But, they dont take place in "game universe"
Eg. the years the are different in the books
Park is destroyed in the books, and in the games it didnt
Neighbor's house is destroyed in the games, and in the books it didnt
Guidebook is the only book which takes place in game universe
Ah yes, you can totally poison the milk in Act 1
yeah for a minute I was wondering why we would be visiting the park and not earthpro in HN2
Can you just, PLS
There are not major lore mistakes
Earthpro thing didnt actually go as planned for some reason
They paved the park with concrete
But just left it there
Just to get demolished again
Demolished 25 years later
Im gonna have to reread the books again
I forgot alot of stuff because I havent read them in a while
Book 7
also
In the prologue they were chipping away the concrete
I checked out chapter 11
Concrete paved by earth pro
On top of the park
I seen the part of were
piper sees a mustache
I think piper was imagining it
I mean
She wasnt
she could have not
She could have
I need to reread all the books
If the guest opened his beak
yeah
Which he probably did
Who knows
how is peterson / or someone else even doing that anyways
they must have lungs made of iron lol
Ted wants ppl to know about his presence
That's why he emits smoke and smokey smell around the ppl
yeah but how does he even produce that much smoke without becoming roasted crow with lung problems
true
also
I get the feeling that the man in hat is a member of a society
or something
or a team of PIs
because piper's mom says people in black suits approached her
and hats
If he can turn a cheese grater into a telescope, how hard will it be for him to create a contraption which emits smoke, clicking noises and can hold his golden apple
yeah
MITH doesn't wear black suit tho
All we know about MITH is this:
He is always observing. Both the
player and neighbor.
Everyone in town knows he is watching the neighbor.
He is observing for now. He will have a role in game.
He doesn't like both the player and the neighbor.
the way you said that is funny
"Adult man breaks into house pretending to be theodore peterson known for the golden apple accident, Man was arrested and he yelled "IT WAS MY AU" before being pushed into the police car, charges are pending" -Raven Brooks Banner
dude
Im so happy those kind of people havent found their way to this fandom yet
I think the original's failure basically built a wall

