#lore-discussion

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heavy monolith
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Nicky had the device in his room by that point

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He didnt take it with him when he was captured

toxic mist
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yeah but mr Peterson doesn’t have it anymore

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so maybe it ran out

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||because it the books to me it seems like it is something one must hold for a period of time in order for the “luck” to change||

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or basically just have

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||so when cleave got it, things changed for the worse||

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oh no spoilers

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I forgot

heavy monolith
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That was like 5 months ago

wicked heath
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Bc plot holes and timelines

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Rational expression???

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Nothing is rational about books connections!!!

gray dome
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do u think they had that stuff invented back then

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they're most likely real tho :troll:

toxic mist
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I think everything appears to be not canon because hn1 and the 1st episode is in the eyes/pov/thoughts of children

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Versus hn2 is in the eyes of quinten who is an adult

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I’m pretty sure that’s what Alex meant when they mentioned canon is subjective a while back

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I’ll try to find the message

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so like the ||luck changer|| and even the neighbors house is all different, yet the same

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of course, it's an unpopular opinion but i really think this is sorta true especially because they have so many things going at once

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and alex said it

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like how in the books, 1st episode, and hn1 the houses of nicky and mr peterson are all different

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maya and aaron have ||different rooms|| in the books too

tribal talon
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I think you don't need to spoiler tag it

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Book 6 is old by now

heavy monolith
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It was also mentioned in book 4

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Which is from 2019

inland kiln
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Hello

vernal kraken
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book 4 is from 2019💀

graceful swan
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hi

graceful swan
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what the

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cool

eternal iris
dim stratus
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i watch game theory for lore theorys

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about these

heavy monolith
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Game theory is wrong about hn lore

dim stratus
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i didnt know that

real crow
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what is the lore lol, ive not played the game in like a year lol

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yes

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oop

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sure

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ye

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o

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cool

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yeah]

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WOAH

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that looks cool

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looks nice

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nice*

vivid merlin
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but the normal neighbor looks closer and older

real crow
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from the first game?

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yeah i got to act 4 on that

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the game seems cool

vivid merlin
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you can think as you wish (whichever makes the most sense to you)

versed yacht
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Well, that's technically not confirmed but it's the most likely theory

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Well to put it simply, that could be someone else, it could be unused/scrapped, it could simply not work anymore because of a story change, etc

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Even if it is the most common and most likely theory, we can't 100% the guest is anyone yet

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Not until full game or whenever they choose to show the Guest's identity

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Yes there has. The main story so far has been Neighbor goes missing and the Guest takes over, and with A2/Full Game it seems that we'll be investigating Nicky, Aaron and Mya being missing with Mr. Peterson as the main villain.

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We can't 100% trust Alex, he's lied in the past

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Because, he's Alex

shrewd dove
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He didn’t lie, that was in january of last year, things change, are you saying the original story of hn is the same as the full game? Maybe the original story of hn 2 changed, as did models like in hn 1 models changed

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You’de think that lol

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Yes you are right about that

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But it must of changed, since the keyart shows them together

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atleast some

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Idk tho, so alpha 1 and 1.5 are not canon? If they fogured out the story by now, you would think the alphas would be atleast some canon

tribal talon
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Its kinda weird

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Some of the stuff from alpha 1.5 might be in the rest but that doesn't mean alpha 1.5 is canon

shrewd dove
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Alex said the ending of alpha 1.5 would have some canon lore elements

tribal talon
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He did?

shrewd dove
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and the ending of it, is the neighbor locked up

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In the reveal for alpha 1.5, alex talked

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I didn’t say that, and why would he lie? He is speaking for everyone at eerie guest studios, it is written from a script of what he was told to say lol

tribal talon
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This is so annoying lol

shrewd dove
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Ye

tribal talon
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I had all the vids and crap bookmarked

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but I had to reset my pc and nothing saved

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So now I'm struggling to find it

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Can you link it if you have it?

shrewd dove
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I don’t, I could look, sometimes they delete the original live stream, I know he talked and said tho

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Lol

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It’s ok

tribal talon
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So its a huge surprise when its not

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For some reason I can't think of other games where thats done

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Even though I know they do

shrewd dove
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I think it’s in the shocktober special

tribal talon
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Well do you mean the anims

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Cause since the alphas were feedback maybe since no one had complaints about the anims or there was no issues with them they just got reused for the neighbor

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wdym

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Oh that's what you mean

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I mean I don't do that stuff but wouldn't it be a lot easier to tweak an anim for another model then make a whole new one

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I mean I guess if you take out a lot of the stuff the guest "couldn't do" they are similar

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Or maybe weren't developed at the time they are similar

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Anyways I'm gonna be either not discussing guest identities or very little until I get all of the stuff I had in my folders back

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Might not discuss much after that either considering

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🙏

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hopefully Alpha 2 is around the corner

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huh

shrewd dove
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I looked, Alex also said that he doesn’t want to show to much content in the alphas, or else the game will be disapointing and spoils, also meaning the alphas are pretty canon

tribal talon
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Not really Jack

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Is this a quote or what you remember of it

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I'm assuming it's not a quote but

shrewd dove
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It means he doesn’t want to show too much, but it also means WHAT he DOES show will be canon, because he‘s talking about what he shows. And yes it’s a quote

tribal talon
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Well not exactly but close to a quote

shrewd dove
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He was talking about lorooororoeoeoe

tribal talon
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👀 I can watch twitter videos now

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Well Probably Not.

shrewd dove
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Why

tribal talon
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I mean the guest appears to be stronger but

shrewd dove
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do I hear excuses lol

tribal talon
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Neighbor holds up quentin and tosses him into the tube

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Guest Drags and runs to a window then throws you 50ft ATLEAST

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If the neighbor is as strong

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it hasn't been shown

gray dome
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so u wanna beat the shit out of ted

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ok

shrewd dove
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The neighbor when he catches you in alpha 2, he will probably put you in the hole, since the alpha 2 house is the one showed I think

tribal talon
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-_-

gray dome
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The alpha 2 house is probably the act 1 house tbh

tribal talon
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Gosh if kraa doesn't get an alpha in a month hes going to reach the point where he goes on a mass genocide and murders every character in the series

gray dome
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same devs but yeah

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mostly same devs

tribal talon
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👽

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There is no way they didn't take inspiration from movies for these models lmao

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Leslie's partner looks like tim lockwood

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and MITH looks like the scientist from despicable me

shrewd dove
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Yess

gray dome
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which models

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how do u know how many bones he has

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we dont have the model yet

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oH

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no

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i meant the models bones

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Oh

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Yeah they'd have to do a lot of rigging

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Which would be painful

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And it's all done in Blender

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So they're dedicated

shrewd dove
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This is the only house they show in gameplay :/

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Ye

tribal talon
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I mean the showcase stream

shrewd dove
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not really gameplay tho

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Then why don’t they show gameplay for that house at all 😦

tribal talon
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It is gameplay its just probably staged and very early

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and I mean we got what 2 gameplay things for rotm all though they are still images

shrewd dove
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That isn’t gameplay though, the real gameplay, is like from quentin’s perspective, they show it in the ai showcase, where it gets low res after it splits into parts, all of that is in “gray manor”

tribal talon
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Its literally the gameplay but from a camera lol

narrow grotto
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omg

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heyy

shrewd dove
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Maybe hn2a2 is 2 part, one part of getting evidence to call the police, which is in the peterson house, and part 2 in the gray manor, which doesn’t make sense, just call the police there then

tribal talon
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I mean the scene of him locking up the door is prob an opening cutscene

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of some sort

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I'd be surprised if it wasn't I guest

shrewd dove
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When alpha 2 comes out will there be a trailer, or just like, hey look it’s out

tribal talon
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that pun was so unintentional lol

gray dome
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no

shrewd dove
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All of that is in “gray manor”

gray dome
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there's none

narrow grotto
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@lucid edge oya oya

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hey hey

shadow summit
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imagine the AI trailer isnt gameplay of HN2A2

tribal talon
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There is some security post but that's it

shadow summit
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and its full game

tribal talon
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it is

narrow grotto
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Legends remember Pre-Alpha

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ANd the bugs

lucid edge
narrow grotto
lucid edge
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Bugs go bree

narrow grotto
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wrong channel

lucid edge
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O no

tribal talon
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Pre-Alpha Neighbor throwing bear traps at you be like

lucid edge
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Lmao

narrow grotto
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i remember button dash playing hello neighbour

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some my little pony fiction character playing the game lol

shadow summit
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i just said imagine it wasnt hn2a2

narrow grotto
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I legit never knew this game had a discord server-

shrewd dove
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This is pre-alpha all over again, all he does is watch tv lol

narrow grotto
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OH NO

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Sorry

tribal talon
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agagag

shrewd dove
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Says the guy who was talking about rigs not lore :0

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just a joke

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tHiS iS nOt cAnOn. yEa sUUUUrE

tribal talon
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While I'm not saying it proves that the guest isn't neighbor

shrewd dove
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ye

tribal talon
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Everyone I've talked to says they are "in a way canon"

shrewd dove
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You see them in the alphas, the showcases, the key art, seems like he’s not the guest

gray dome
tribal talon
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"They are previsualizations of the game"

gray dome
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Also notice how NFT and Guest are never in the same keyart

tribal talon
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He said everyone here says they're not

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I mean Idk what the devs have said but I'm pretty sure even krahen (come correct me if I'm wrong krahen) said they are canon to some degree

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and he's a neighbor guester

shrewd dove
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Have you guys seen the anouncement trailer for hn 2 yet

tribal talon
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I don't remember everyone that was there but a lot of people agreed it was canon anyways

tribal talon
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Damn your delayed

gray dome
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obv we're not

shrewd dove
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the neighbor throws away the guest costume, while stil looking buff, meaning the old skinny version of the neighbor you see in that image on twitter, is not canon, and don’t say the anouncement trailer is not canon, that’s just rediculous lol

tribal talon
gray dome
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literally Classic, Krahen, and maybe CK and Devil too, I think maybe a few others but I don't remember

gray dome
tribal talon
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In the showcase stream it didn't

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I'm pretty sure people are comparing it to HN1

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I could be wrong tho

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I don't know I don't watch him sleep ever

shrewd dove
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you saying you watch the neighbor in his sleep lol

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Seems a bit odd

gray dome
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u could also watch the stream

tribal talon
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Which stream

gray dome
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guess

tribal talon
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Because in showcase

shrewd dove
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does the neighbor’s leg twitch in hn 2?

tribal talon
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I never saw his leg twitch

gray dome
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are u selecting the right version

shrewd dove
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Lemme check it

gray dome
tribal talon
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I swear if you send a video of a pixel of his leg moving and call it proof from the showcase stream imma laugh

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You can look I just don't see why I'd see it as proof

tribal talon
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I didn't say that lol

gray dome
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just

tribal talon
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I don't plan on getting into this anyways

gray dome
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use umodel

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ok

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then

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use blender

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dont import to modkit

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that takes longer

shrewd dove
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No the neighbor doesn’t twich when sleeping. Also the guest is watching the police on his moniter in the fire room, on it you can see the static version of the police there, and another of quentin in the channel 4 tv mirror from alpha 2

tribal talon
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You obviously weren't here but I've said multiple times I don't have my lore folder cause I reset and nothing saved so I don't plan on actually debating it

shrewd dove
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Meaning it’s live footage

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I just gave proof he isn’t

gray dome
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h ow

tribal talon
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What new footage shows him sleeping and his leg twitching XD

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and how is HN1 anims any less old

gray dome
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???

tribal talon
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The showcase is more recent then HN1 anims lol

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WHAT?

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wut

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didn't get it

gray dome
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....i'm confused

tribal talon
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The showcase is at most like what a year old?

gray dome
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wHAT

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no

tribal talon
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the gameplay I mean

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not the actual stream

gray dome
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probably not

tribal talon
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we don't know for sure

gray dome
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it's less than a year old most likely

tribal talon
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we can't know this

gray dome
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no one knows either

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but if I had to guess it's recent footage

tribal talon
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maybe they created this map 1 year ago, but with placeholders only

shrewd dove
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Alpha 2, is a prequel to alpha 1 and 1.5

gray dome
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not too recent

tribal talon
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that's all

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Even if it was somehow 2 years old

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HN1 is still older

gray dome
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so?

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man almost 3 yrs old

shrewd dove
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if alpha 1.5 is a sequal to alpha 2 of hn 2, IF that is true, then aaron could also be the guest I suppose

tribal talon
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So im confused are you just looking to check or are you about to actually say its proof?

shrewd dove
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If the guest is looking at past footage lik you said

versed yacht
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You can't deny solid evidence

tribal talon
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Cause showcase stream sleeping is way more valid then HN1 anims

versed yacht
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Never said he was, just saying it's possible Trolled

gray dome
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ok if u want to use showcase as earlier proof

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then

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disprove the leitmotifs :trolled:

tribal talon
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I mean the least likely option

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is your getting trolled by the devs

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:troll:

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umm

gray dome
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huh

tribal talon
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I know I can't do it XD

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Umm next up is they are proof

shrewd dove
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if the guest isn’t looking at past footage, then he’s not in the neighbor’s house, since I don’t see any holes in the wall in the alpha 2 mr peterson house

tribal talon
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your side of it

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Im just gonna throw the next one out there cause why not I don't care if you start a war cause I don't have my folder to be a part of it

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Its an imitation leitmotif

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NF

gray dome
tribal talon
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and 4 how do I explain 4 to a 4 year old

shrewd dove
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sUre

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sooo many people have a deep hatred of mr peterson you know

tribal talon
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Well I mean there are many possible explanations

versed yacht
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his revenge wanting son wh-

tribal talon
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He wants to kidnap kids and pretending to be the neighbor would be a way to get away with it

shrewd dove
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Well that’s perfect then, if people allready know he seems like a bad guy, and they don’t have proof, being the guest and imitating him would make people think that‘s proof to arrest him

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aparently not enough to call the cops

tribal talon
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I mean they only come to his house because of nog-simming

shrewd dove
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not until after the guest showed up

gray dome
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nog simming isnt even finished

tribal talon
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Because nothing else makes sense

gray dome
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the least we know is that Nicky most likely called the cops on him

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yes there is???

shrewd dove
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wait a second, I remember something hold on I need to look, part of me remembers something saying in alpha 1 that the guest didn’t appear until the neighbor went missing, but I am not sure, I forgot where I heard that from

gray dome
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nicky calling the cops on him

tribal talon
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they didn't come after aaron and mya disappeared

gray dome
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and nog simming doesnt have to tie into alpha 2 but most likely will

tribal talon
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wait

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Maybe I was getting bsed cause I haven't finished the books

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But I was told the cops don't believe nicky after he gets out

shrewd dove
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I would leave then, because we could spoil it for you

tribal talon
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Sadge I tried to avoid it

shrewd dove
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Yea, to get proof

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it is

tribal talon
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Not if they apparently didn't beleive

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Especially when Nicky had been shown to be obsessed with neighbor

shrewd dove
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Ok let’s say the guest is not the neighbor, now no defending that he says, just say if he was not, who else could he be?

gray dome
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no one else besides ted could be him

shrewd dove
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That would suckkkk

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not true

tribal talon
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Nicky had been shown to take things too far so its very possible they knew what he was capable of and what he would do to get ted arrested

versed yacht
shrewd dove
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norman darby could be, aaron could be under the cerconstances

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who says the guest where glasses?

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Wears

tribal talon
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You lost me at aaron doesn't wear glasses

versed yacht
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He could be 😳

tribal talon
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Oh were talking about norman darby now tf

versed yacht
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joke

shrewd dove
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oh no lol

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I dought it

wicked heath
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Norman is aaron from the future

shrewd dove
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ye

versed yacht
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I don't think it's true

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But still

tribal talon
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I mean since he is a revealed character its "possible"

heavy monolith
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Ah hell nah dude in the hat and hello guest ressle! 😳

versed yacht
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Interesting concept

gray dome
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so ur Quentin

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kewl

shrewd dove
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but we have never seen his face, so if he was, then tinybuild would just reveal him by a name instead

tribal talon
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I mean

gray dome
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  • he's a book character
tribal talon
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Aaron hits a big growth spurt and he was already said to act like an old man

shrewd dove
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Yea not too many people know him

wicked heath
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Stop

tribal talon
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How many years "about" between hide and seek and guests first appearance

shrewd dove
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unless the guest is looking at past footage, then it’s not aaron, since hn act 2 takes place 2 months after act 1

wicked heath
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Ike more like

tribal talon
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more like

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more like....

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uhhh

shrewd dove
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How did aaron get the news ike was dead?

wicked heath
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Enzo told him

gray dome
wicked heath
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Me

shrewd dove
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bruh, enzo is a liar lol

gray dome
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just a heads up

wicked heath
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Chilllll

gray dome
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you'd probably get banned if u do that type of stuff

wicked heath
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Thx

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How to get banned with a couple of words

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I got banned from dawko server doing dat

shrewd dove
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if ike is alive, he’s the guest, plus his middle name is quentin, so maybe quentin is related to him, unless it’s just to lead us away, because like why do that

wicked heath
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Ike is ded, man

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They found his body

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I hate looking at this spongebob face

shrewd dove
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lol

wicked heath
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Gtg

shrewd dove
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What about roger tho, will he ever show up

wicked heath
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This is better

shrewd dove
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He has a connection to a TON of stuff, seems weird to just kill him off, but still probably

tribal talon
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are you sure about that

gray dome
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epic embed fail

shrewd dove
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Is there any other character the guest could be? Not that I know of

gray dome
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Ted

tribal talon
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wtf would that not work it was a discord gif

shrewd dove
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Besides the neighboooooor

gray dome
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and not Roger bc he's probably dead

shrewd dove
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Lol

gray dome
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Rita already said they were "dead"

tribal talon
shrewd dove
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Roger studies crows, he knows the tavishes who run the golden apple factory, and he works in the mayak, like bruh, that’s a lot of lore

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The mayak will probably be a big focus in hn 2 since the how is your weather, and all the bad weather in hn 2, plus there is a tiny chance for the sky to go purple in hn 2, which is caused by the mayak

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Plus the new raven brooks disaster with flash flooding, the mayak could be a place for rituals with the devices idk

gray dome
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along with Adelle

shrewd dove
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ye

tribal talon
shrewd dove
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Wonder what will be after hn 2, some sort of spin off most likely, they need to use hn 2 aspects then to compete with this huge game

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Ok gtg see ya

tribal talon
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eye k quang tong ger show it

shrewd dove
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This is in the secret neighbor editor, idk if this is old news or not, it probably is, but if you translate it, it says (this isn’t an exact quote, but about what it says), “Warning! A hurricane is aproaching the city! If your home, leave as soon as possible! Evacuation!” I am confused, in the hn 2 files it’s a tonado, in the raven brooks disaster novel it’s a flash flood, in secret neighbor it’s a hurricane. Now don’t get on me if this is old news since it probably is, just let me know, and, if secret neighbor takes place in act 2, does that mean an evacuation happens in the town in or after act 2? It doesn’t make too much sense, since it’s not even slightly there in hn1 act 2, but maybe it will happen in hn 2 idk.

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Yea it’s old news, I would be surprised if no one saw this

gray dome
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Yes, it's old news

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And it happens after Act 2

shrewd dove
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Ye

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That must apear in hn 2, I dought it alpha 2, but maybe in the full game idk.

strange lance
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So. I have something to say.

hushed pasture
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Yes

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I’m listening

strange lance
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If the neighbor is missing/wanted in SN, which is before act 2. That means he fled before Nicky escaped. Which makes no sense.

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It always makes it seem like the kids broke it after he fled

hushed pasture
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What if the neighbor is dead

gray dome
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Yes it makes no sense

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What would make sense is that he fled after the kids broke in

strange lance
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Map 4 ruins everything

gray dome
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But it would make more sense if Nicky called the cops on him

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It just doesn't make sense when he flees

strange lance
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Also the cops have already been in the house in map 4. Which means they did find Nicky's room and stuff.

gray dome
hushed pasture
gray dome
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So he fled (Missing) and because of Nicky escaping and probably calling the cops (Wanted)

gray dome
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too bad

hushed pasture
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I can’t tell

gray dome
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The tornado being after Act 2 I'm being serious about, the rest no

hushed pasture
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Hm

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Let me put it into better context because even for me it was hard to understand

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It probably won’t still tho

gray dome
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Because there is supposed to be a hurricane (Referenced as tornado in files) in HN2, ...if it isn't scrapped

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cough RotM cough

hushed pasture
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Ok AHEM,Nicky escapes Mr. Peterson’s House right before the Storm, Knowing that his house will be swept away by the storm Mr. Peterson Flees, His House dosent burn down as we all assumed, it is swept away by the tornado, and this part I’m about to tell you isn’t based on lore it’s a pure guess, then that prompts Map 2 I think to be called “The storm is Coming”

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And yeah that’s my probably not accurate story of after act 2

strange lance
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So, Nicky escaped. Neighbor fled. He went "missing". Nicky tells cops, Now he's wanted. Alpha 2 takes place before act 2. But we know that eventually (during alpha 2 maybe) we see Nicky escape, meaning act 2 happens during alpha 2 as well. So then he flees the scene and drives off and catches Quentin recording him. So the cops go around and put police tape up, they also go inside the basement and see the fake rooms, further making the neighbor wanted. Who knows what Nicky does after, and at this point who cares. Aaron is either still down there or also got out and ran away or went to the cops too. There is a storm coming based on the cop footage. Then the rest of the story.

gray dome
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HN2 is after Act 2 :troll:

strange lance
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😡

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Partially

gray dome
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I wasn't talking to u

strange lance
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Oh

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Ok

gray dome
#

but it's still after act 2

strange lance
#

Does my theory make sense?

gray dome
#

Somewhat

hushed pasture
#

Does mine?

strange lance
#

😡

hushed pasture
#

Knew it

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Chill

gray dome
#

also lore

hushed pasture
#

Also game theory says the neighbor works for the devil

strange lance
#

Aaron, this is all your fault. If ypu had just gone to child protective services, none of this would have happened. 😡

hushed pasture
#

Has anyone seen that?

gray dome
#

Game theory kinda wrong tho

#
  • Old theory for alphas
strange lance
#

Game theory bad.

hushed pasture
#

Wow didn’t know you guys didn’t like Game Theory

gray dome
#

Where (I think) he was partially right

heady hinge
#

Hi

strange lance
#

Remeber when people thought Beatrix was lucy's aunt because they had similar names. (Umm, people can have similar/same names) 😡

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😡

#

Beatrix is Mya and lucy's aunt.

gray dome
#

Therefore Ike is Quentin-no I'm joking because Ike's dead

strange lance
#

Would the funicular have crashed into the billboard in HG if it had worked?

gray dome
#

Either that or the rocket ride would have

strange lance
#

Well, the rocket isn't next to it. It's sort of below it.

#

But

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It can stretch

#

So maybe

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I guess

gray dome
#

It can probably still somehow reach it because it's HN, what else do you expect

#

I mean

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We already have devices that can bend luck

#

So

strange lance
#

Rocket ride turns into SN rocket and flys into MITH.

tribal talon
#

Read the books

silver vine
#

Can we actually start the cable car in HG?

shadow summit
#

well u can in test map

#

but not fr

shrewd dove
# tribal talon Game Theory isn't accurate

That is because game theory made it when alpha 1 was out, so not much lore to go by. Wonder why he never did any other theories, he’s played the games, probably to busy with fnaf lol

tribal talon
#

XD

gray dome
#

What

tribal talon
#

gosh HN people don't get any jokes

gray dome
#

k

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I don't play Fortnite so

tribal talon
#

I mean I don't either but I figured most people knew about rocket riding in the game

gray dome
#

I still don't get it but ok

versed yacht
#

There's a glitch in fortnite where you can shoot a rocket under your teammates when they jump and they'll basically ride it

tribal talon
tribal talon
#

omg fortnite joke!!!

agile hare
#

Calling hello neighbor at 3am gone wrong hello neighbor trapped me in it's basement

hushed pasture
#

lol

shrewd dove
#

In hn 2 alpha 2, we are right next to the new house, so this must be the main house, not the peterson house, unless they are both accessable, idk?

#

By main house, I mean the main gameplay focus

gray dome
#

we know

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as in we know we are right next to the new house

#

old news

shrewd dove
#

Well ye, the ai showcase has been out for a while

gusty sand
gray dome
#

What

gusty sand
#

What

gray dome
#

what are "all of those things"

gusty sand
#

Oh, there's confusion on what kind of disaster hits raven brooks. Is it a hurricane, a tornado, a flash flood. I said maybe the storms are so catastrophic that all of those things happen at once, that's why there's confusion.

silver vine
tribal talon
tribal talon
versed yacht
#

The only reason I think it's a hurricane is because it said so on the poster in SN

#

But it also doesn't make sense because of the location

#

So idk

tribal talon
#

Hmm

#

I wish there was a better answer then just saying SN doesn't happen

#

Wait in the context of the convo that completely changes what I meant lol

#

I meant more so that if there was further explanation to as what SN is then you could explain things better like the hurricane poster being a separate disaster in a different place that one of the kids remembered and so it was conjured into this weird dream/nightmare/scary story that doesn't happen

#

That's not half bad honestly. SN being a campfire story lol

versed yacht
#

SN was kind of just there to drop tiny hints about the story

#

Like the hurricane and the neighbor being missing and wanted

tribal talon
#

I get that I just wish it fit better in a timeline way

#

SN is a daydream

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It's the only time Nikita saying "nothing is a dream" doesn't count

#

I mean maybe but I'mma keep my options open if they tell us something that gives it a fixed point and not just that it is after the kids all met

#

it seems likely to be a daydream though

#

Since it's in the backyard which is likely where the break in was being planned

versed yacht
#

I think each map will relate to a certain character

#

Lore wise

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Like each map is what each kid imagines

#

Idk the first 4 but if Map 5 is GAAP then that's definitely Maritza imagining it

shrewd dove
shrewd dove
silver vine
#

How do we know SN is children's imaginatoin?

silver vine
gusty sand
#

Maybe Secret Neighbor did happen but to a lesser degree. Maybe Enzo, Maritza, and Trinity tried to save Nicky by recruiting two other kids. Then they just get so frightened of page thought of getting caught by Peterson they just say they're going to do it. Imagine they're still there thinking off the possibilities of what they can encounter, then nicky just walks in and says "took you long enough".

silver vine
gusty sand
#

Exactly, I just think that if it was there imagination it would be very awkward for Nicky to show up after about 2 months and the rescue squad is all like " Oh, well to be perfectly honest we just came here and kept daydreaming scenarios of what could happen in his house". That seems like the most awkward moment in Hello Neighbor

silver vine
gusty sand
#

I heard it was two months but It's been awhile

#

Probably I'm wrong

silver vine
gusty sand
#

Oh ok

silver vine
#

Well then

gusty sand
#

Oh my god, it all makes sense now

shrewd dove
gusty sand
#

With the guest kind of in control of Petersons old place I think he had to find a new place to live temporarily

shrewd dove
#

Also the old blue house is the peterson family home/act 1 house

gusty sand
#

I just call it the Peterson place

tribal talon
tribal talon
silver vine
tribal talon
#

The wiki used to say quentin was ike

#

It did seriously

#

If you typed in Ike it redirected you to Quentin's page

silver vine
#

And it says Nickys dad works for channel 4 which is not true

gray dome
#

and the wiki is mostly right now

#

people like gavin have been fixing everything

#

because of vandalizers

shrewd dove
#

It also said the guest is the neighbor at one point

tribal talon
#

Gavin is the only admin who actually does any work

gray dome
#

because it's probably true

tribal talon
gray dome
#

and back then he most likely was

tribal talon
#

At the time

shrewd dove
#

Yea

tribal talon
#

The others admins don't do shit

#

Gavin is the only one who actually fixes pages

shrewd dove
#

So does act 2 actually take 2 months after act 1?

tribal talon
#

3

#

read the books

#

It was between 2 and 3 i think

shrewd dove
#

Yea I have read all the books, but I can’t remember everything in it

tribal talon
#

Which ones

shrewd dove
#

All of them

gray dome
#

it was confirmed in a Reddit Q&A

tribal talon
#

all 7 (soon to be 9)?

shrewd dove
#

yes

gray dome
tribal talon
#

what have they done

gray dome
#

uhhh work on pages? duh

#

These are all admins

tribal talon
#

Wait

#

Dracolyte isn't dead?

#

I haven't seen him in a long ass time

gray dome
#

he's not dead

whole elbow
gray dome
#

WELL

#

to us it wasnt

#

to them it was

tribal talon
elder fern
#

before i read neighbors notebook i didnt think secret neighbor was canon

#

surprised me

gray dome
#

"Everything is canon"

storm salmon
#

**so hn bread is canon **

elder fern
#

yea i still had difficulty understanding how the house was so big in secret neighbor and had went back to being small in act 2

tribal talon
#

SN mostly didn't happen

wicked heath
#

No. It just didnt happened at all

gray dome
#

Yes it did

#

Some of it did

#

Mainly the rocket event ending

#

Probably

elder fern
#

yea

storm salmon
#

and mayak

tribal talon
#

which is saying that gameplay didn't happened

elder fern
#

it just confused me how it went from big in secret neighbor to small just like that in act 2

#

(the house)

gray dome
tribal talon
#

because it's not

#

it's literally something surreal

gray dome
#

Mayak happens in books tho

#

It's cool

#

And it'll prob happen in HN2

delicate horizon
#

Wait... is Nog Simming cannon lore?

gray dome
#

It is canon

tribal talon
#

nah, they are just doing all this for fun

#

like haha funny thing

slim marsh
#

hi

tribal talon
#

Average "Nicky and Mr.Peterson" fanMoustacheless

#

Average "The Player and The Neighbor" enjoyer stuff

#

Serious talk it's weird to call them nicky and Mr Peterson since I was so used to saying the player and the neighbor

woeful violet
#

Is the engineer game canon?@

#

New comin out

strange lance
tribal talon
#

They’ll find a way to shove it into the pre-established lore

torpid sinew
#

Wouldn’t make sense.

#

At least from the trailer.

strange lance
#

Yeah

torpid sinew
#

I don’t know if it’s released.

gray dome
#

"Everything is canon"

#

So HE is canon

torpid sinew
#

I don’t have Stadia (and I will never have it because, ew)

#

It would only make sense if the kids lived far away and the builds were just trying to get to Mr Peterson’s house.

#

Or we could have the kids dream it.

strange lance
#

Probably imagination again.

torpid sinew
#

Yeah.

tribal talon
torpid sinew
#

That’s what I believe Secret Neighbor is.

#

Well, kinda.

strange lance
#

It is

#

Imagination.

torpid sinew
#

I think someone (Likely Enzo) ratted them out to Mr Peterson.

#

And they thought Mr Peterson was one of them.

#

Minus Enzo of course.

strange lance
#

Well neigbor being disguised isn't real either.

#

It was all in their head.

torpid sinew
#

Yeah-

#

That’s what I mean.

#

They THINK Mr Peterson was one of them, but he’s not.

strange lance
#

Unfortunately, they never broke in. They gave up. Which stinks because that would have been cool.

strange lance
#

Fixed it.

chrome palm
#

Oh ok

tribal talon
#

I think they will break in, in the animated series. Idk but that's probably why they are trying to trick us with all of it being their imagination.

#

HN basically uses "imagination" as plothole proof tape

remote sundial
#

i wonder what the neighbor did with his son after he pushed his sister off the edge of that building

silver vine
remote sundial
#

dang

#

ididnt know

silver vine
#

You didnt play the game?

remote sundial
#

yeah all of them acctually

silver vine
remote sundial
#

even the alphas

#

idk

silver vine
#

The player from HN1 is the son's best friend

remote sundial
#

i never thought about it but that makes sense

#

oh

silver vine
#

He wanted to save him from the basement but neighbor ended up locking both of them up

remote sundial
#

oh 1 question

silver vine
#

Confirmed

remote sundial
#

how can i get the secret neighbor

silver vine
#

Buy it on steam

remote sundial
#

oh

silver vine
#

You said you played all of them ?

remote sundial
#

also who is the guest

silver vine
remote sundial
#

not secret neighbor

silver vine
#

Oh

remote sundial
#

all of the other ones tho

silver vine
#

okay

#

You havent read the books tho

remote sundial
#

srry i spilled mountain dew on my keyboard a few months ago

#

not the last 2

silver vine
remote sundial
#

imgoing to re read them

silver vine
#

Uh?

remote sundial
#

all the books

silver vine
#

I dont understand

#

True

remote sundial
#

yeah

silver vine
#

But he isnt

#

the guest

remote sundial
#

im hyped for this new game

silver vine
#

There is 0% chance

#

HN2 is not going to have acts

remote sundial
#

does anyone know when its being released

silver vine
#

So...

#

2021

remote sundial
#

lets goo

silver vine
gray dome
#

are you sure about that

silver vine
gray dome
#

steamdb says otherwise

silver vine
remote sundial
#

i just saw that

#

the ign

gray dome
#

It's not an opinion

silver vine
#

No but IGN is saying that there are gonna be multiple neighbors

#

IGN say that we are gonna be breaking to houses of multiple residents

#

Exactly

#

Well Neighbor got a new house

#

My theory is that guest is gonna be in his old house

#

We might even be breaking into MITH's house

#

He is creepy too

#

Who knows?

#

There can be atleast 3 residents we might break into

#

Neighbor confirmed

#

MITH is returning and he is not hiding so ..

#

And the guest from previous alphas

gray dome
#

There's already enough proof so

#

It's like they're still trying to tell us he is

silver vine
#

True

shrewd dove
#

I’m gonna re read all the hn books before reset day comes out, which is may 4th

#

I’m gonna do it in order and read the prequals first tho

silver vine
#

Reset day is taking place after hn2 tho

#

That sucks

#

Girl named Piper is protagonist

shrewd dove
#

Yes, where does it say it’s after hn 2?

#

I think the raven brooks disaster graphic novel happens between hn 2 alpha 1 and hn 2 alpha 1.5

gray dome
#

how

#

theres still evidence in 1.5

tribal talon
#

doubt it

#

he has good clothes

torpid sinew
#

Hm.

#

I personally believe he’s a random guy.

#

Or at the very least, someone we’ve never seen in the games.

gray dome
#

Every time we go against someone like u we have more evidence

gray dome
#

Yet the game is implying in 1.5 that he is the Neighbor

shrewd dove
#

Crystal has a point, as far as what was shown so far the neighbor is not the guest, whether your a neighbor guest fan or not, we don’t know what’s gonna happen in the final game, but for now the neighbor is not the guest, acording to the alphas

copper wave
#

for me, i think that the guest is the neighbor, but that the neighbor isnt the guest

silver vine
#

Who is that neighbor for trailer

#

Is he Mr.Peterson or someone else

#

I know that

#

But...

#

It doesnt make sense

#

There is also fake neighbor

#

True

copper wave
#

what i mean is it only goes one way, the neighbor isnt fully the guest, but the guest is fully the neighbor (at some point)

silver vine
#

We havent seen NFT in game

#

So...

#

He is not canon?

copper wave
#

well this claim could work if there isnt time travel shenanigans (curse you book 7) and if the game decides to be doused in heavy symbolism like how act 3 is

silver vine
#

No we didnt

silver vine
#

HN2 is not gonna have acts

#

Isnt that fake neighbor

#

What's the difference between NFT and fake neighbor ?

#

All I see is fake neighbor is NFT with neighbor mask

#

WHAT

#

He does

shrewd dove
#

where does it say when reset day takes place?

versed yacht
shrewd dove
#

Where can you find the reset day sneak peak, I los it

#

lost it

#

If it takes place near Act 3, then forest protectors are still a thing, even though some got arrested

#

Idk, either way we will find out next week

oak mirage
#

How many time did Nicky stay locked in the basement until Act 2?

tribal talon
#

2/3 months

gray dome
torpid sinew
gray dome
#

ah yes so theyll make a model all for nothing

tribal talon
#

logic 100

shrewd dove
#

No one has proof that the alphas aren’t canon

tribal talon
#

as well about Neighbor Guest

#

(actually we have proof that he is guest but ok)

shrewd dove
#

And we have proof that their plans changed

gray dome
#

really? show

shrewd dove
#

Well, we call all of this proof, but I mean we can’t technically confirm anything, but if tinybuild is continueing on their plans with the key arts and the alphas that’s sort of proof

tribal talon
#

literally

shrewd dove
#

That was january of last year, things have changed tho

tribal talon
#

it's better to talk about what the heck is happening at all and why hn2 exists at all, rather than who is Guest (which is not important at all)

shrewd dove
#

ye

#

I agree

#

yea, I think it matters more about what the guest’s motives are

gray dome
#

something wrong with that?

shrewd dove
# gray dome how do u know

I cannot give proof this is canon, and I refuse to argue about it, but so far tinybuild is on the path of the alphas where the guest is either enimies or working with the neighbor, it’s unclear which.

tribal talon
#

i'll be very happy to see all of you when the game will release

shrewd dove
#

Yea, lol, no point in talking about lore until something comes out, maybe I’ll talk about reset day, as long as others have read it tho

tribal talon
#

what evidence?

gray dome
versed yacht
#

How about we stop arguing and realize the guest's identity is pointless to find out

tribal talon
#

this thing about who is Guest is a thing just because of this discord and dudes who thought that Guest is Aaron, even tho THEY LITERALLY SENT VIDEO in twitter

versed yacht
#

He's not the neighbor, he's not aaron

#

Hes nobody

#

Until full game releases

#

There

#

Problem solved

gray dome
#

go play 1.5 to see the evidence hes neighbor? ight

wicked heath
#

Dats food

tribal talon
#

wow thanks

wicked heath
#

Nice

#

Ima find evidences

tribal talon
#

Guest kid transforming into the Neighbor

gray dome
#

its true

tribal talon
#

neighbor is not guest for sure yeah

ashen spire
#

The neighbor is the neighbor

versed yacht
#

The guest is the guest

ashen spire
#

Yes

tribal talon
#

The is the

versed yacht
#

No more arguments

feral brook
#

But in the trailer, the neighbor is dressed as the guest

versed yacht
#

Lore solved

gray dome
#

the guest is the guest who is the neighbor

wicked heath
versed yacht
#

If your talking about A1 he's just holding the head

#

Which doesn't mean anything

feral brook
#

The hello neighbor 2 reveal trailer

#

The first

versed yacht
#

Yeah he's never actually dressed as guest

#

He's just holding the head at the end

feral brook
#

Yes

#

That's true

tribal talon
#

why Guest world exists, what is this
who the hell Quentin, Beatrix, why they appeared out of nowhere
why Quentin at same time reporter and park guard
who is man in the hat, why his has is very similar to the hn1 hat
why man in the hat * insert 10 questions about him *?

#

but no, who is guest is more important

#

ofc

versed yacht
#

I can understand discussing his identity in a civil manner but seriously some people are just down right jerks about the guests identity

feral brook
#

What happened to Aaron?

versed yacht
#

Well we don't actually know

tribal talon
#

just forgot about this question and that's it.
Alex said that they are not going to answer on this question till the release.

versed yacht
#

But the most likely theory is that he burnt the house down to escape

feral brook
#

xd

tribal talon
#

just talk about something different

versed yacht
#

Yeah like what happened to Aaron

#

Did he actually escape

feral brook
#

I know this is old, but who is the shadow man in hn1? Does it represent a feeling? Why the shadow man is not in hn2?

gray dome
#

I still see Neighbor Guest evidence in 1.5 so Idk what ur talking abt

tribal talon
#

stop

#

enough

#

/ban

gray dome
#

I don't think it's /ban

tribal talon
#

Neighbor man in the hat, because Neighbor also has exact hat in his house, in act 1

#

that's it.

#

moving on

feral brook
#

Lol

gray dome
#

the music

feral brook
#

Since TinyBuild was born

tribal talon
#

why Alex

feral brook
#

lmao

tribal talon
#

Alex was busy with no time to explain

copper wave
#

i think the issue rn is that there is evidence for both Neighbor Guest and evidence for Neighbor Not Guest but both sides ignore these things and dont address them, or just say they are unimportant/scrapped

tribal talon
#

hi classic

#

say Neighbor is Guest

copper wave
#

Neighbor isnt Guest, obviously the guest is the neighbor

tribal talon
#

see?

#

wait

minor kayak
#

Reminder that if ROTM isn't scrapped that means neighbor guest still exists cause he's the main focus (according to the screenshots anyway)

feral brook
#

he planned our actual conversations

minor kayak
#

Aaron is gone

shrewd dove
#

No one is getting anything done if you defend your side to the point of not listening to the other side, this is called lore dicussion, not lore arguement!

tribal talon
#

WHO
said that something has been scrapped?

#

one of the developers?

minor kayak
#

No

copper wave
#

theyre gonna pull the rug out from under us and the guest is actually everyone, a symbolical representation of the deep part of their subconscious that contains dark fears and grief CB_smart

minor kayak
#

Neighbor guest is still used you know

#

By people's logic beatrix is scrapped cause she's not in 1.5

tribal talon
#

so why some peoples saying that video from twitter is scrapped version of GuestNeighbor

minor kayak
#

Cause not smart

gray dome
#

so far in the current alphas theyve been hinting at guest being neighbor in each one of them

#

uhhh yes actually

feral brook
copper wave
shrewd dove
minor kayak
#

If someone hint isn't in a recent alpha people say it's scrapped. It happened with mayak, neighbor guest, beatrix, ROTM, and the park

gray dome
#

I just did-

minor kayak
#

These aren't scrapped

#

The leimotif

gray dome
#

what else do u think

copper wave
#

#RebuildTheTown isnt about actually rebuilding the town, its about bringing the people back together again

minor kayak
#

What

gray dome
#

oH

minor kayak
#

Who said that-

gray dome
#

thats what it is

tribal talon
#

Guest kid disappearing, Neighbor appearing on the place, where's Guest kid disappeared.
literally your alpha 1.5

minor kayak
#

Well what is the anti neighbor guest evidence in 1.5

shrewd dove
minor kayak
#

Alphas

#

Arent

#

CANON

tribal talon
#

who said

gray dome
#

and its already enough evidence for us

shrewd dove
# minor kayak Arent

I didn’t say they were, I am just saying the direction they are heading is anti neighbor guest that’s all

minor kayak
tribal talon
#

why they wasting their time making alphas then

gray dome
#

yeah because u cant disprove it :troll:

tribal talon
minor kayak
#

Br

shrewd dove
#

For feedback so it doesn’t end up like the last game

tribal talon
#

it's just cut version of cutscenes

minor kayak
#

The neighbor in front of the house and the neighbor in the attic

#

They aren't cut cutscenes

#

They're alpha endings

#

HG is the only acception

copper wave
#

also something thats funny is that when the neighbor is missing the guest is around, when the neighbor is present the guest is nowhere to be seen

minor kayak
#

Exception heck

minor kayak
#

They don't tho

#

We don't have any mayak music

#

The HGP track is guestthemetest so it's not mayak theme

#

Guestthemetest?

gray dome
#

Good ending is GuestThemeTest

#

But extended

minor kayak
#

Lmao

#

You mean cut

copper wave
#

mayak and the guest are related so they share a similar theme if you consider good ending a different song

feral brook
#

Some h1 alphas had canon endings

shrewd dove
#

I am confused to why the guest would blow up the mayak at all, is he either trying to destroy it because he’s trying to stop the mayak event, or is he trying to destroy evidence in it that leads to it?

gray dome
#

also yes cut

#

thats what i meant

minor kayak
gray dome
shrewd dove
gray dome
#

It seems to be coming from elsewhere

minor kayak
#

Well it's a prototype so not canon

shrewd dove
#

just get rid of a tiny hole in the wall not the entire thing :0

copper wave
#

yeah alex said outright that its not canon

minor kayak
#

Instead of doing his job quentin goes on a ride that makes no sense

shrewd dove
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Ye

minor kayak
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Uhm

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The kra noises have springs and wood on em

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Extended arms can be on costumes

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His behavior is human like

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And his golden apple is just a piece of candy

copper wave
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those can all be chalked up to the fact 1.5 isnt real

gray dome
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I dont think 1.5 isnt even canon

copper wave
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yeah but the ending shows it isnt real

tribal talon
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yeah alphas are not canon, neighbor is not guest

but what about man in the hat

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like

gray dome
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imo only 1.5s ending is real (canon too) because it can still get used elsewhere

tribal talon
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who is man in the hat?
why his has is very similar to the hn1 hat?
why man in the hat is watching us in hello guest alpha 1 everywhere?
why man in the hat is not helping us?
why man in the hat wants to arrest us in hga1 ending?
why man in the hat acting like he knows that Guest is totally real and he knows about him a lot?
why man in the hat is related to the police, but hiding from them in the trailer?
why we can't call the real police and say them about man in the hat?
why man in the hat is hiring us in hga1 as a guard of the abandoned park?

shrewd dove
# gray dome *wym kind of*

Well, they say when the neighbor is gone, the guest appears, but that is because the guest locked him up in alpha 1.5, what is weird is that they use the nft model in alpha 1 to show the neighbor is locked up, but that model is used to show he’s the guest at first, but then in alpha 1.5 it’s gone, the neighbor even has a guest like ai in alpha 1, but was scrapped for the new model of the neighbor, idk

gray dome
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what

copper wave
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he doesnt lock up the neighbor, he locks up the kids

gray dome
shrewd dove
gray dome
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w h at

copper wave
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literally everyone having green/brown eyes

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brave is the only character with blue

shrewd dove
copper wave
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and i doubt she is a grown man in a coat

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in the 1.5 intro he only locks up the kids

tribal talon
copper wave
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and at the end the neighbor shows up when the storm starts

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and replaces guest kid

feral brook
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Imbir is the guest

shrewd dove
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in the ending, the neighbor is locked up, Idk if those kids will

minor kayak
shrewd dove
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even appear in the full game

minor kayak
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Or whatever theyre called

gray dome
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Guest kid just magically disappears

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kind of like how in hn2a1 the neighbor magically comes out of NOWHERE

copper wave
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the kids are already in the new version, their posters are littered everywhere

shrewd dove
gray dome
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  • there's candies that all relate to missing people
shrewd dove
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In alpha 2 they show missing pictures of nicky and mr peterson, weird how fast they produce missing papers, he just left the house

tribal talon
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a small handful of odd-looking leftover Halloween candy.

minor kayak
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Yes

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Ish

gray dome
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yes