And I hate him
#lore-discussion
whole elbow
Full game? 😳
tribal talon
damn somehow the picture for the ending is so high res its 11 mb
I cna post it
Whered you find it
uhhhh
just a sec
nope
Where did you find the ending thing
On a website or what
I think it was a post on dis
Wh
It was something classic posted I think
Was it an image
Got it
How is this
Wh
agile hare
Lmao
crystal scroll
No of course not.
coarse crater
ok it's not
crystal scroll
coarse crater
I thought bevause the house in the background looked like the gray mansion it also had those weird fake lights
heavy monolith
Thats a hn2 style childhood house
I think it was awere that made it
Not sure tho
ionic niche
carmine storm
tribal talon
solar sun
wth whare is my mesege
woeful violet
I made a discovery
steady dust
binoculars and hat are in act 2 we knowwe
coarse lagoon
tropic sedge
Lore discussion
eternal hound
I just noticed something: in the alpha 2 trailer for HN2 the neighbor's house looks like this:
gray dome
yes
tribal talon
Duh
eternal hound
Just saying
Maybe the Guest took over the neighbor's house after he, for some reason, left.
After a long time that is
gray dome
We have proof too
gray dome
toxic mist
plot twist: the guest is not real
tribal talon
toxic mist
there is a guest world and a real world
toxic mist
guest is in guest world where neighbor house is hit by tornado
and real world was the livestream
tribal talon
@eternal hound where proof
toxic mist
it makes sense ngl
eternal hound
<@688018038318039065> where proof
Hold on, loading images
toxic mist
3 hours later
tribal talon
Oh my god
eternal hound
Guesy is more fat
tribal talon
I will beat you to death
gray dome
Not enough evidence
toxic mist
o-oh ok
tribal talon
Yooo
gray dome
There's another neighbor called NFT
tribal talon
Gigo mad
eternal hound
Now look
wicked heath
Wat if they reveal guest's identity doesnt even fit the proportions
gray dome
And the proportions are almost exact
tribal talon
Failure
toxic mist
bro you do realize that the hn model of ted was scrapped right
toxic mist
they are never gonna use that again
gray dome
Yeah he got retconned
gray dome
Teds appearance
eternal hound
It's just buff neighbor
Then how can they be there in the same moment?
gray dome
Along with the house
tribal talon
Then how can they be there in the same moment?
They aren't
toxic mist
yeah the house is different
eternal hound
fan render <:imbirart:766426276923047977>
Ues but official model
tribal talon
Clucking stops when neighbor comes
gray dome
HN1s model is more accurate to the og
tribal talon
- alphas we have aren't canon
gray dome
Only HG and the stream builds
toxic mist
the change in artsyle symbolizes quinten being an adult versus nicky seeing the world in a cartoonish way if you know what i mean
eternal hound
This channel iss for theorising so imma theorise ok!?
tribal talon
Mhm
whole elbow
HN1s model is more accurate to the og
The OG's model is more accurate to the OG's model?
toxic mist
of course, even nikita said the first game was wacks
it was their first game anyway, it makes sense
eternal hound
Clucking stops when neighbor comes
Fair
gray dome
HN2A1 and 1.5 were test maps and were for the announcement trailer it seems so it makes sense if they weren't canon
toxic mist
but fr tho guest world is reel
gray dome
I wanna see Guest world with RotM
toxic mist
but most stuff are placeholders
tribal talon
I remember seeing the guest world file for the first time
toxic mist
just like hn alphas
gray dome
I wanna see non placeholder mill building
tribal talon
I literally thought it was a world of guests
toxic mist
even the guest sound in hg was a placeholder
whole elbow
I wanna see non placeholder mill building
Wait for Full Game 
gray dome
I'm impatient
toxic mist
full game will come in 2025 where i will be in collage
its hard to imagine what the hn community will be in the future
if they will make a hn3
tribal talon
Full game coming out this year lol
toxic mist
decimbir
gray dome
if they will make a hn3
empa-
toxic mist
oh shi-
tribal talon
What is EMPATHY
gray dome
we don't know
toxic mist
guy running is empathy
wicked heath
Its
toxic mist
that's IT
tribal talon
gray dome
we only know it'll most likely be something where we rebuild Raven Brooks
eternal hound
Wait for Full Game <:Moustacheless:766017997268582411>
Yeah, let's wait for 2022
wicked heath
In 3 days
toxic mist
pog
eternal hound
What is EMPATHY
Empathy
noun: the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
Bruh
gray dome
It's also something HN related
toxic mist
ah yes, hn related
wicked heath
Empathy is the name of the vandal
gray dome
#empathy
#meteostation
#dynamicpixels
#ravenbrooks
tribal talon
Bro full game literally coming out this year
toxic mist
get real
toxic mist
return to neutrality
eternal hound
Btw, no one talking about the "eye storm building thing" anymore while I think it's important to the lore.
tribal talon
It's mayak
eternal hound
tribal talon
Meteostation
gray dome
Btw, no one talking about the "eye storm building thing" anymore while I think i...
yes, obviously
eternal hound
Yeah, that
toxic mist
it'll be impotant eventually....
gray dome
it still is
toxic mist
trust me....
gray dome
Nikita confirmed it already
We just have to wait till HN2 to see one of the things it does probably
toxic mist
the eye sees everything
gray dome
They're gonna wait till full game to reveal what it does
eternal hound
trust me....
I trust you!
gray dome
But probably make us wait even further till Empathy
wicked heath
Note dat mayak's second eye is in a roller coaster
toxic mist
plot twist: hello guest will be hn3
eternal hound
Welcome to the Mayak Gang
wicked heath
Im quitting then
whole elbow
Empathy Annoucement Trailer will get 5k views :trolled:
gray dome
То чувство, когда тебе сделали плохой массаж(((( #runaway #blender #empathy
from Instagram
gray dome
"The feeling when you got a bad massage ((((#runaway #blender #empathy"
eternal hound
...
eternal hound
Aight gotta go, cya
gray dome
"A couple of dozen guitar effects and your instrument will sound like an old chewed-up cassette. But how else to evoke this spirit of the nineties?
#guitar #guitarrig #music #dynamicpixels #empathy #letsrebildthetown #ravenbrooks"
toxic mist
maybe quinten had a bad back massage and fell in coma to guest world
tribal talon
Btw, no one talking about the "eye storm building thing" anymore while I think i...
I am a bit confused though we have mentioned mayak quite a bit lol?
carmine marten
ANYONE ON?
tribal talon
poggers hopefully my books will be here tomorrow and people will stop using the excuse of the books as to why everything wrong even though they wont explain why it makes it wrong XD
hexed terrace
mayak is the weather station
tribal talon
mayak is the weather station
did someone say they didnt know?
cause if you were referring to me I know mayaks the weather station lol
tribal talon
I wanna go to the irl mayak
Apparently there was a body there once so I hope to god there's not gonna be any if I go there
What
What irl mayak
there is a building
In russia
That mayak was based on
Show me
Rn
It's out somewhere in a forest and apparently someone ||killed themselves|| in there once
What isi t caaallleed
I don't know if it HAS a name
Then where is it
toxic mist
Kayak-1
I bet it will become relevant soon
The fact that they whited it out in hello guest alpha 1 tells me they were hiding it for a reason
It’s gonna appear later in hn2
Because they have the texture for it
robust spade
Hi.
agile hare
Henlo
tribal talon
What's da backstory of hn1
tribal talon
I did
Da story I found out of hn1:
Mr Peterson's daughter dies cuz of her brother pushing her off a cliff from den on me Peterson gets frkin angry with his son and after his wives death he traps in da basement and kills him for killing his daughter and da boy's name is Aaron and da girl's name is Maya Aarons soul remains as da shadow guy and we need to know all dis to beat hn1 right?
tribal talon
What's da backstory of hn1
I don't have the time to explain every detail lol
Dis is all I think I know
tribal talon
I don't have the time to explain every detail lol
:(
gray dome
Well that's the backstory of HN1
There's more in the books and then there's HN2
The current books are a prequel to HN1
Reset Day isn't tho
And as for the AS it's going to be spread out across different times so some episodes might be and others might not
tribal talon
K
tribal talon
Lol
latent light
I'm back again
Wike Tron and off your mike?
I'm at type why you you turn on your mike and turn off again?
Sorry miss type Again Why do you turn off and on your mike
tepid moon
wha
stuck coyote
hi im new to the group
stuck coyote
hah very funny😅
tribal talon
yea 😂
stuck coyote
lol
steep axle
So I have something to say
just a clue but I have one thing to support the Aaron = crow theory
In missing pieces in the neighbors office he has those pictures with Aaron circled
And one of them literally says "OMEN"
Crows are commonly known as a Bad omen
It could be a coincidence
But I dont think it is
white solstice
Aaron is a device :0
minor kayak
But it's stupid cause technically all the bad stuff happened after mya was born
tribal talon
oh so now everything because of mya?
minor kayak
And technically after mya died nothing bad happened that ted didn't cause
Ted only got in trouble for stuff he did. If he didn't kidnap nicky or aaron he'd be almost fine
wicked heath
just a clue but I have one thing to support the Aaron = crow theory
Dude. Aaron said he deserved being in the basement
wicked heath
And the crow guy is mostly a reference to forest protectors
steep axle
Sorry bout that
tribal talon
damn maybe I should just close discord until I finish the books unless thats not from them cause now that I have my books its like all that is brought up lol
I told you guys
Mya is evil
And deserved to die
wicked heath
Wth??
tribal talon
And the crow guy is mostly a reference to forest protectors
hes not lol
wicked heath
My sis is going to commit baseball ability
tribal talon
the guest isn't a forest protector
or a reference to them
it's a mascot for golden apple
wicked heath
hes not lol
I mean, Half bird human hybrids
tribal talon
Me only 25 pages into Book 2
theodore despises the forest protectors
so why would he
wicked heath
it's a mascot for golden apple
Thats mr pipin
tribal talon
what
wicked heath
Mr Pipin
wicked heath
From Bad Blood
wicked heath
U know, the guy who guided the field trip and calls 14 year old people "children"
tribal talon
i dont read the books
wicked heath
i dont read the books
Bruh
wicked heath
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/779807073415200809/818346992312254474/i...
Uh...
tribal talon
What
wicked heath
Nothing
tribal talon
Teds the guest
wicked heath
Not gonna disagree with that
tribal talon
Youre lucky
whole elbow
Teds the guest
Yeah! Ted is the Guest, not the Neighbor
minor kayak
didn't technically kidnap aaron but.
He did
They even said he kidnapped his kids a few times throughout the series
tribal talon
you can't kidnap your own son
minor kayak
Why not
tribal talon
because he's already yours 
minor kayak
minor kayak
wicked heath
Where the hell did u found this
minor kayak
Yeah
pseudo epoch
wicked heath
I would like to speak to the manager
pseudo epoch
🤔
tribal talon
surprisingly, falling to the ground can either cause you to land headfirst or break your neck, possibly both
pseudo epoch
The amazing spider-man 2
tribal talon
she could've landed on a rock
or broke her spine
we see a flatline at the hospital
if we're to assume its' her
she did survive but died in hospital
it probably is
it probably is diane
mya probably would still have died from the fall
remember her bones aren't fully developed
still, she's a kid
pseudo epoch
Bone formation starts in the fetus 6 months before birth and is not generally complete until adolescence (between ages 13 and 18). Bone formation is never really complete.
wicked heath
She dead
tribal talon
hows it going over here guys
vernal kraken
kidnapping your own kids is only possible if you don't legally have custody of them at the time, at all, etc. as in, another person, be it the other parent, a guardian, etc Does have custody of the child(ren) and then the parent who doesn't then breaks that court agreement and takes the kid. It was never mentioned or implied Theodore lost custody of his kids after Dianne died? And they had lived with them both? so tbh using the phrase in hn context doesn't make sense
tribal talon
yes lol
does he try to ressurect?
wdym
what happen in his basement
nothing
???
aarons just trapped there
wut
what about the burial
and the wooden crosses
and the doll
tribal talon
and the casettes he buried
pseudo epoch
Who died
pseudo epoch
Well diane was buried at a cemetery
pseudo epoch
Mya was buried in the backyard
tribal talon
Well diane was buried at a cemetery
this is exactly why i try to stray away from the hn community
tribal talon
Mya was buried in the backyard
i mean the cassettes
the dvds
you dont know much and youre just bashed for that
pseudo epoch
Those had videos of the family
tribal talon
ik
pseudo epoch
Thats how nicky found out mya died
tribal talon
of theodore being cray cray
tribal talon
Thats how nicky found out mya died
ye but why was theo cray cray
and wat abt roger and adelle peterson?
why do people call them wingnuts?
@pseudo epoch
pseudo epoch
Because during their work in the meteostation they went crazy
tribal talon
Because during their work in the meteostation they went crazy
u mean weather station?
crazy how?
pseudo epoch
They kept all their stuff private and were never seen again
tribal talon
Hello Neighbors lore makes no sense,
If I recall hello neighbor hide and seek is a prequel to the original game, but if that's the case then how does the neighbors house work? Because in hide and seek if it's before the first game then shouldn't Mr.Peterson's house not be under construction?
I know it's probably something the team didn't think about but still
uncut latch
hi
strange flame
Guarantee you the team reused the house just to save time
pseudo epoch
Hello Neighbors lore makes no sense,
If I recall hello neighbor hide and seek ...
What
It was never under construction during hn1
tribal talon
Yeah but it's clear during hide and seek the house is being built into a bigger house by Mr Peterson
pseudo epoch
He never made it bigger
tribal talon
???
pseudo epoch
Act 2 was nicky’s trauma, not actually big
Act 3 was nicky’s trauma part 2
And also
Theodore’s house was his childhood house
It wasnt being worked on in hn1
tribal talon
Then explain the house during the end of hide and seek
tribal talon
Damn she died from the roof fall?
I mean the neighbors house isn't that tall I'd assume she would have atleast a broken leg or something
pseudo epoch
Well she was above 2 stories on a roof and the windows are like twice the height of her
And she couldve landed on her head or in a bad position
tribal talon
Yeah the house was never under construction lo
pseudo epoch
Theodore’s parents used the house in like the 60’s
pseudo epoch
Guest world
strange flame
Either dead, arrested, or still wandering in Raven Brooks
pseudo epoch
Prove me wrong: they reincarnated into imbir and the gray cat from book 1
versed yacht
until proven false
Or Rodger is the Guest 
tame mural
no what actually Happened to them
I was making theories about them at 12:45 last night. Weird thats what you guys happen to be talking about
If they are dead, How did they die?
tribal talon
Hello Neighbors lore makes no sense,
If I recall hello neighbor hide and seek ...
the house was already built
it was built sometime before or possibly after roger and adelle got married
peak phoenix
l
wild ore
The reason why him kidnapping his own kids work because he told everyone they moved away a secondary if the police investigated him they would find out he's a an abusive parent
tribal talon
i think it's less of a kidnapping
more of child abuse
Child Abuse? is that something past book 2?
I guess you could call aaron being locked in the basement child abuse but nothing (ive read im on book 2) says his conditions down there were bad
pseudo epoch
yeah theodore fed him
and stuff
he didnt do anything bad to aaron
aaron wasnt down there as a punishment, aaron was down there to be protected
tribal talon
Still child abuse
pseudo epoch
how
tribal talon
I mean aaron probably went insane down there for one
that definitely is some kind of crime
on the parents part
tribal talon
Aaron did go insane i think
gray dome
probably
orchid echo
That wierd guy with the hat and glasses was the first person to discover the crow people also known as the forest protectors
gray dome
....and how do we know
actually better question is who do u mean
there's a few people with a hat and glasses
orchid echo
Dwern profile picture is the guy i am talking about
THe guest is a chanel 4 newsmen in a crow costume
tribal talon
what
tribal talon
hi
stuck coyote
really?
tribal talon
what
versed yacht
Aaron did go insane i think
Yeah. He most likely wasn't physically abused, but he was 100% mentally abused.
He was forced to believe it was his fault.
And I mean
It was kind of his fault
With Mya's death
tribal talon
No
Aaron did good
Mya deserved eath
...
Annoying piece of shit deserved death...
versed yacht
ok well uh
anyways
He wasn't at fault for the multiple deaths from the themeparks and their bad luck
tribal talon
Aaron is stupid
versed yacht
Which is mostly what he's being blamed for
tribal talon
Dwern profile picture is the guy i am talking about
what
tribal talon
Yeah. He most likely wasn't physically abused, but he was 100% mentally abused.
Technically he was
If he was grabbed and thrown into the basement
versed yacht
Yeah
Actually the Act 1 intro
Where he's holding down Aaron and trying to throw him back in
tribal talon
also
Considering Aaron's condition
It's not out of the question Peterson hit him or something
do we see an image of aaron
actually in the basement
i just wanna see a image of that
like his condition and stuff
tribal talon
And she couldve landed on her head or in a bad position
Did she fall in the hole in the roof or did she fall on the grass outside?
On the grass lol
falling in the hole would made more sense tho
because you know
you know
You literally see her fall off the roof on the groun
wow thanks like i didn't knew that
pseudo epoch
*you know*
neighbor is wondering why he raised these kids
orchid echo
I would recommend reading the books to find out more of the lore because they have a lot of lore
minor kayak
thats a doll of diane
The doll represents mya
That's why it's falling in the announcement trailer and why it kinda looks like her
Orange hair with a blue dress
valid elbow
i think i know how hello neighbor 2 connects with hello neighbor 1, basically in act 3 in hello neighbor 1, you see the neighbor's house is gone, but in hello neighbor 2, it says stuff after him going missing in the first game
proper mortar
Whats lore?
wicked heath
Book 7 pls
wild ore
Actually it's confirmed in the books the neighbour is abusive to Aaron by attacking him verbal abusing him and Aaron described he dad in book 4 as mine filled not knowing what will set him off
wicked heath
I mean, the books do have plot holes
And i dont remember in hs him acting mean to him. In fact, he seemed quite nice
wild ore
Maybe so but books always hammer that point home
wicked heath
The tape in book 1 is supposed to happen in bad blood
But in the entire book, hes been acting nice
wild ore
In book 4 has a freak out because aaron and mya start like mad scientists
wicked heath
Yeah, but he immediately apoligized for going mad
He told aaron he was proud of him
wild ore
Still abusive just because the person said does not mean it makes it ok and in book 5 or 4 Aaron iss about to answer the phone when he is forced on the ground withh ted keeping him down
wicked heath
The book mentionned dat he actually meant it
wild ore
Abusive family life is quite hard to explain because sometimes the mother or father does not mean to do it and sometimes they don't realise they are doing ether way in the eyes of the police it's abusive
wicked heath
And no. Aaron did not try to answer the phone in either books
wicked heath
Abusive family life is quite hard to explain because sometimes the mother or fat...
I just said that the book mentionned dat he meant it when he said he was proud
In book 4 and 6, he even went into making jokes around
wild ore
Still does not change the fact that he was being abusive if he men't to be or not we could go back and forth about this but and I am speaking from experience it's not as easy to say he's not or he is
lament schooner
i was wondering if somone could tell me what happend at the end of Buried Secrets like i dont understand it is to much for my mind could somone explain it to me
pseudo epoch
nicky got stuck in the basement with aaron
its act 1 of the 1st hn game
but as a book
pseudo epoch
not yet
lament schooner
ok ty
unkempt cedar
gray dome
Hi new, I'm-
agile hare
🌝
lament schooner
🌜
wild ore
What happened at the end of book 3 is we see what was behind the door with 3 locks and also a giant under ground theme park with Aaron in one of those boths in the theme he tells Nicky he should have not come back then ted a.k.a the neighbour reviles that he wants Nicky in the basement so he's son could have a friend then nicky realised that he that made himself look look like he ran away from home then it ends
That the ending to book 3
tribal talon
I am not sure if it's true but I'm glad the team decided to change the lore for the final game
Using game theory to explain what I am saying the original plot of hello neighbor was gonna have the devil and stuff and like.... that's cheesy
I mean matpat basically did an entire theory saying the neighbor made a deal with the devil and honestly that plot is kinda dumb
@tribal talon because that wasn't the plot
matpat was wrong
tribal talon
they did change between beta 3 and release
hes talking about old artstyle story
In that storyline
tribal talon
In that storyline
nicky
What
nicky's past self
it was a dream back then
Mannnn the old story was stupid
or a distorted memory
pseudo epoch
Who was the person that was locked up in the basement
if i recall correctly it was nicky's imagination
in beta 3
and then he wakes up in the basement
tribal talon
well another question
what was with the 666 on the neighbors shoe
old devil story
alright
gray dome
pre alpha actually i think
tribal talon
Well I mean I can't remember if it was up to alpha 2.
Before they changed the story.
gray dome
We don't know
gleaming violet
versed yacht
Sooo is Aaron dead?
No because then the Guest wouldn't exsist
echo bane
no u :troll:
wide hull
In crime or...?
pseudo epoch
no one
shrewd dove
I made a community post on my channel about some notes on who the guest is, I hope this helps
Oops nvm can’t paste it it’s too long oof
tribal talon
just put it in a text document and post it
Or split it into parts
Also if he was roger
Then DAMN he is agile for an over 80 year old man
wild ore
And has a good throw
shrewd dove
Either roger is using a device to keep him alive and active, or they just have him be fast and strong for gameplay reasons not the lore
If he’a the guest
I will post the paragraphs seperatly, these are mostly just notes, not exactly the thoery
Norman Darby is the puzzle master. He was thought dead, but later found alive. He works at the channel news 4 banner and his boss is Gordon Cleave, who is part of the raven society. His last note to Aaron is the red key will set you free, and trust narf. The only person to be called Narf is nicky, but only his dad calls him narf. The dad must have some say in the story. The dad works for the channel 4 news. But only when they move, so this means, before they move, the dad must have a connection to Norman Darby.
Adele and Roger Peterson (Parents of Theodore) Reason’s to be the guest: Roger has connections to crows, golden apples, and the weather, all key components of hn 2. Reasons why not: With Adele, who is where? If Roger is alive Adele is probably dead. Other reasons, too old and not known enough. Note: Roger could be using the devices to keep him healthy or alive to continue his motives, but if the guest is after the devices, then he might not have enough to stabilize himself, so that could be another motive. They are blamed for burning down the factory, but that must be false, since they have no beef with lucy yi, maybe mr peterson did it, and Roger is mad at him?
Ike could be the guest but ONLY if a direct picture of his body was not found, and the police are not the ones who have the proof. Officer Dale Tabbs works for the police, so he could of lied. His middle name is Quentin, so he could be his dad, creating a relation ship between them 2, making it possible for it to be him. But he’s probably just dead.
Aaron is 13, so Hn 2 does not have to take more than 7 years for Aaron to be the guest, but still unlikely. Aaron, mya, and nicky are still missing, but no one ever gives up on a missing case. But it can’t take too long after they go missing because of how many missing papers there still is, and how they never found out mya is dead, she is still listed as missing. Nicky knew mya was dead, so nicky can’t tell anybody yet, since he’s stuck in mr peterson’s basement. Aaron has a connection to blood, in the cartoon cursed is there in blood, maybe aarons, because he fave nicky a note saying “I make bad things happen in blood.” Is aaron doing this, or his dad? Maybe this isn’t blood?
Things to note about the guest: Nikita said he likes his golden apple, and won’t let ANYONE take it, this is a big note, since the creator of hn had to point it out, watch out for people connected to golden apple. His motives are unknown, but likely to do with the mayak and the devices bringing bad luck on the town and maybe the petersons.He is shown to have great speed and strength, but ignore it, it’s probably there for gameplay reasons, because of him having skinny limbs and a belly. Other notes in the wiki.
rustic ice
مي
shrewd dove
Some things to note: Be careful, don’t let gameplay enhancing choices change your theory, for example, the guest is fast and strong, most likely just a gameplay choice. Also look out for characters to don’t have a face, unless they decide to reveal who the guest is by showing his name, not his face, then if you don’t know the person’s face, then they are most likely not the guest. Watch out for any characters who get their race revealed, it could be a hint to them being the guest. If they decide to reveal the guest by his name, or the guest talks while showing his face, then here are some possibilities below.
A new character, maybe, it would be a sad choice, but still possible.
Someone from the raven society: Officer Dale Tabbs, Mayor Tavish, and Gorden Cleave.
The second police officer other than Leslie, could be undercover, because his name is unknown for odd reasons, and Officer Dale Tabbs is part of the raven society, so maybe police office 2 is Tabbs?
Extra notes! Man in the hat’s eyes are closed, so watch out for characters who have special eyes and ears like him. Both Ike, and Nicky could be it, because of their pointy noses. But ike is most likely just dead. What was the accident in Germany? Maybe another death, most likely. But it seems like a huge deal.
I believe it makes the most sense to be Roger since he has beef with the peterson’s because he was blamed for blowing up the golden apple factory, but it was probably mr peterson or aaron, who makes bad things happen. I won’t list them all, but Roger has a lot of connections to the guest. Now I think it’s possible it isn’t him, because idk why he would lock is son up, and not too much his known about him. My second choice is ike, no I haven’t looked yet, but if they don’t have proof he is dead, or the news of him dead is by tabbs, then ike is probably the guest. But likely he’s just dead. Third choice is Norman darby, since he character has layers to it and has connections. Fourth choice would be someone from the raven society. None of them have anything about them, but they are evil, I wonder if they are still in prison? 5th choice would be nicky’s dad, he seems too nice but has some connections.
Well that’s all of them
Hope some of that helps
heavy monolith
What about theodore
tribal talon
shrewd dove
Theodore is seen in another place than the guest, how does no one realize thatttttttt
tribal talon
Theodore is seen in another place than the guest, how does no one realize thattt...
no?
you never see them next to eachother
wicked heath
old
heavy monolith
Hn2a1 is older than the images of neighbor in guest suit
They would spoil the story if they changed it
It literally got overwritten by 1.5
Which is likely getting overwritten by alpha 2
and release will be the only canon build soon
heavy monolith
They would spoil the story if they changed it
Theres loads of things that are bigger spoilers than the guest identity
What mayak does, what the man in the hat does, what happens to the neighbor, etc
wicked heath
like wot
wicked heath
What mayak does, what the man in the hat does, what happens to the neighbor, etc
there are two mih
gray dome
probably destroy house
heavy monolith
If the tornado is stopped
What about if its stopped
Will the guest get pissed or something
And just run off
gray dome
there's something i should prob tell u in dms btw
heavy monolith
okay
wicked heath
u got book 7?
heavy monolith
Wait
gray dome
but its something abt hn2
heavy monolith
I need to friend since im not accepting dms from server members
wicked heath
u got HN2A2 earlier?
tribal talon
hn2a1 and 1.5 dont make sense in general
gray dome
🤔
tribal talon
hn2a1 and 1.5 dont make sense in general
for now everything makes no sense in general
yeah
so the first 2 alphas
but it doesn't mean you have to say that it's not canon, just because it makes no sense
gray dome
it wouldn't've made sense
tribal talon
just like
like you guys saying that alpha 1 is not canon
if it's not, then why they re-released it in steam
they created new page in steam, they prepared special build for it
even tho they released alpha 1.5, they still re-released alpha 1 again
because the neighbor is the guest and he can't be locking himself up
they did the same thing
with hn1 alphas
and half of them weren't canon
tribal talon
because the neighbor is the guest and he can't be locking himself up
so because of that it's not canon now?
does flying with extinguishers make sense
no
so you saying that alpha 1 is not canon, because Guest is locking up the Neighbor
but at same time this render is canon, yeah?
no?
that image also implies that quentin is dead
those are quentin's shoes right there
and since when is keyart canon?
shrewd dove
Have you guys watched the hn 2 showcase? The guest in literally in another room than the neighbor, so the guest is not the neighbor
Also the ending to hn 2 alpha 1.5 shows that the neighbor is in the attic and the guest is outside, and in the alpha 1 ending the neighbor comes up in his car, so in that alpha he is not the neighbor
tribal talon
funny
shrewd dove
The only people I think the guest could be is, Aaron, Roger, Norman Darby, Gordon Cleave, Ike, if somehow he is not dead, which he probably is, or anyone from the raven society
tribal talon
Have you guys watched the hn 2 showcase? The guest in literally in another room ...
when?
show me an example
shrewd dove
Ok
gray dome
Aaron is too young to be Guest
Roger's dead
Norman doesn't seem like he'd be Guest
Same with Cleave
And Ike is dead
shrewd dove
Roger is not known to be dead, they just dispeared
shrewd dove
Also, hn 2 only has to take 7 years later for aaron to be 20, which is old enough
tribal talon
my guy
shrewd dove
ike’s middle name is quentin, maybe they were related somehow
gray dome
Roger is not known to be dead, they just dispeared
Rita literally said they were dead
tribal talon
does not look like this
shrewd dove
Rita does not know exactly, no one knows where they are, so why would see
she not see
gray dome
Roger is almost definitely dead
tribal talon
Hes too old
gray dome
Yeah
shrewd dove
What if he is using the devices to keep him alive
tribal talon
what this isnt tf2
shrewd dove
Also that image is older, there is evidance of being a time when they wanted the neighbor to be the guest, but I guess that is scrapped?
tribal talon
old doesnt mean scrapped
shrewd dove
Not really, we know it is scrapped since they are seen in different places if that is not proof idk what is lol
shrewd dove
Alpha 2 shows the guest in another location
tribal talon
ok show me
shrewd dove
In the 16 hour showcase the guest was also watching the neighbor escape through a camera and at the beginning of the ai showcase the guest is looking at a screen, and the neighbor is in another location
tribal talon
he was looking at old footage
the hn2a2 house and the hn2 a1.5 house are the exact same house
its the act 1 house
its called "many years later"
shrewd dove
The guest is not in the hn act 1 house maybe, or in the keyart it shows the guest behind a hidden door in the wall, so either he’s in a secret room, or he’s in another location, the guest has to live somewhere before he took the act 1 house
tribal talon
the guest
IS
the neighbor
he lived there the whole time
how is this not theodore
shrewd dove
That is the other neighbor model, they say it’s unused in the wiki
shrewd dove
The neighbor is tall and skinny in that, in hn 2 which is official, he can not be the guest since their bodies look much different
shrewd dove
But the guest is looking at live footage of the neighbor escaping, he is also looking at live footage of the cops looking at the neighbor shown in the beginning, meaning it’s live
tribal talon
its called
the past
and no its not live
he cant be looking at police footage
from a tv
and you think the guest would be watching a trailer for his own game?
shrewd dove
It is live, since at the end he shaked the tv he was looking at meaning it’s a bad connection, and you can’t get a bad connection with past footage, and he was looking at police footage, it was shown on the screen, it showed the guest holding the tv like thing, and on the screen was the police
shrewd dove
Well, no he would not, that is jsut there for transition
shrewd dove
That doesn’t mean it’s connected to the lore, they show stuff that are not connected to the lore for the sake of the showcase
shrewd dove
Well I am talking about the 16 hour footage, which is basically the only canon footage of the guest
in the showcase
shrewd dove
It is an old model, there is proof of that lol
versed yacht
it's not worth it
shrewd dove
Ye
shrewd dove
It does tho, since they scrapped that model for the new one
shrewd dove
Look at the new model of mr peterson, it is not shaped like the guest, if there was a big time jump, then why do all the other characters look the exact same
tribal talon
because
they arent crazy
like theodore
and they also arent as old as him
he's probably in his 50's in the first game
shrewd dove
That makes so sense, let’s just talk about something else, people age, but it is fine to have your own theory, it is possible to do a time jump, eerie guest studios does what they want, so it is ok, the neighbor is in his 40s in the first game also
tribal talon
i said probably
shrewd dove
The old model of the neighbor on your avatar, looks slightly older than the new one, since the old model has gray eye brows
gray dome
It does tho, since they scrapped that model for the new one
proof
this model is newer than buff
technically
tribal talon
i think they had buff for a while
also
yeah
they had neighbor guest
and buff neighbor at same time
shrewd dove
Mr peterson in alpha 1 and 1.5 is missing, not wanted, meaning he never got away with his crimes
tribal talon
cuz neighbor guest still has it's files in hn2a1
so they couldn't have replaced the model
with buff
shrewd dove
Why would they make all the key art wrong tho, it is promotional art, it should mean something, right? Idk
shrewd dove
Yea, that is false promotion then lol
tribal talon
no
shrewd dove
if the neighbor’s the guest
tribal talon
its hiding a character's identity
shrewd dove
The neighbor is standing in front of the guest
shrewd dove
This art is in the hn 2 alpha 2 house, the new one, so it is a canon art
tribal talon
no???
just because its in a house
that will show up ingiame
doesnt mean its canon
you never see them together in game
shrewd dove
I don’t want to argue the fact you see them together in all the alphas so let’s just agree to disagree k?
tribal talon
you STILL have not answered my question
tribal talon
how is it not ted
shrewd dove
it does not matter, I have no proof it is not scrapped since I don’t work for eerie guest studios, but I know they are seen together in the alphas that is all I will say
shrewd dove
Why would they delete the models, they never delete scrapped stuff, they still have devgamm files, it is completly lost, but still somewhere
tribal talon
but its not in hn2a1.5 files
shrewd dove
So does that mean it’s scrapped? Lol
tribal talon
nope
it means theyre trying to hide
and btw theyve already said that they revealed the guest's identity
shrewd dove
When?
shrewd dove
Well whoever that someone is, must be very trustworthy
tribal talon
dont know why would anyone lie about that
shrewd dove
the hn lore is confusing to tell what is lore, and what is just a gameplay choice, the hn act 1 house has changed so much over different alphas and games
shrewd dove
are you talking about the gif and he said hello
We won’t know till the game is out, about who the guest is, so we can talk a lot, but we don’t know yet, I don’t think it’s the most important thing about hn 2, like what are the guest‘s motives, what is mr peterson planning, what does the mayak do in this game, and more
tribal talon
what mayak does might be revealed in empathy
shrewd dove
Ye, it is probably the cause of the flash flood in the raven brooks disaster, either that, or the devices cause that
gray dome
tribal talon
the fact that he winks right after classic says hes the neighbor
is what im pretty sure 99% confirms it
shrewd dove
This was january of last year, meaning this could change
versed yacht
didn't we also agree that alex isn't 100% trust worthy
shrewd dove
we do have proof, since the model changes
shrewd dove
Also when did he give proof it’s the neighbor before that post
tribal talon
um
gray dome
um
shrewd dove
Lol
shrewd dove
That is after, he said past tense
shrewd dove
You guys really think alex is that dumb to spoil who the guest is before hn 2 is even anounced, I don’t think he would do that
tribal talon
hinting a limp
tribal talon
You guys really think alex is that dumb to spoil who the guest is before hn 2 is...
thats exactly the kind of shit he does LOL
whole elbow
16 days after posting this stuff
More like 1 month
shrewd dove
ye
wicked heath
thats Roger
gray dome
apparently he was going to get revealed right after getting kidnapped to den
wicked heath
dats Aaron
tribal talon
Zane
whole elbow
Ok? That was the final neighbor guest teaser
tribal talon
I will literally kill maritza
ted guest deniers when ted geust
(wow what a suorpsiuse)
shrewd dove
Ok, so a year ago he posted that, why has he not posted any more of this neighbor guest now?
tribal talon
To conceal his identity a bit more
He deleted the neighbor guest tweets like a few seconds after or something
me rn
shrewd dove
Lol
whole elbow
What
tribal talon
caught in 4k
shrewd dove
What if the guest ends up just being some random guy lol
whole elbow
He ends up being zombie mya
tribal talon
Then why go to places that are heavily associated with Ted
Golden Apple, Ted's own home
shrewd dove
Unless roger got contacts he is not the guest also
shrewd dove
I wonder if roger will ever appear, like really though, are we ever gonna get anything out of them again? They have connections to, golden apples, crows, and weather, all things hn
tribal talon
but theyre nearly 100 years oooold
They're old
And wrinkly
If they're even alive
shrewd dove
I get your arguement, but how dis dude gonna fit in the guest costume, and don’t say it’s years later, the neighbor got away with his crimes in alpha 1, since he is simming, not wanted, meaning the guest took over the house recently after. It is possible time pasted if the flash flood happened in the time of alpha 2 and alpha 1.5/1
gray dome
He's missing and wanted
shrewd dove
He's missing and wanted
Proof
shrewd dove
SN is not canon, the neighbor is not canon in sn
shrewd dove
but the neighbor in it is not, alex said once
then why is he labeled as simming, not wanted
tribal talon
It very much is
shrewd dove
Which are you responding to? My first or second statement
tribal talon
Sn
shrewd dove
second?
Idk whatever I am done talking about the guest for too long lol
Nice talk, I’ll seee you later lol
coarse crater
Sn is Canon to an extent
the only thing Canon is the main menu
the main game where your breaking in is not
strange lance
the only thing Canon is the main menu
And the characters.
Except for clown and butcher
faint spruce
Except for clown and butcher
Clown isn't Canon?
bruh
I don't even know why I stick around at this point
strange lance
Clown isn't Canon?
No. He's not. Neighbor used to dress up as one for Mya. But the actual class that can turn into a box is not.
faint spruce
What I hate about the lore is how they will make a game like secret neighbor and its like "not canon" or something like that like might as well say that the neighbor is not canon and that the events of the game never happened everything might as well be fake because all they do is try to make the story way and I mean WAY to realistic than it has to be instantly sucking the fun out of everything. It's very hard for me to explain what I mean just forgot I'm here rn
strange lance
SN lore is simple. The events didn't happen. Butcher and clown aren't real. But, everything else (The kids and scary) are real.
faint spruce
I'm not even talking about SN anymore I'm talking about the whole series
strange lance
faint spruce
I miss when it seemed like it was more of a Neighbor VS Neighbor kinda thing but with a big twist and the twist was that the neighbor was a secret in the basement. wHaT cOulD tHe sEcReT bE..??11?!!? nobody knows- I just miss that I guess I understand that even during the times when the alphas were a think and the full game had not came out yet it still had that same basic story but I feel like story was not as big of a deal originally. Once again its hard for me to properly express my feelings in a simple text message but whatever
I'm not saying I dislike the final game or its story but I just think the story could be better. They should take chances more on things like what's canon and what's not and what's real and what's not and stuff
If I disliked the final and it's story then I would not be here
like I said they could do better in my opinion
gray dome
What I hate about the lore is how they will make a game like secret neighbor and...
???
Sn is canon
Everything is canon
gray dome
You did say that what
faint spruce
It's like the kids in planning the whole time and they never really do anything shown during gameplay except the main menu right?
strange lance
I feel like one of two things happened.
-
The SN kids were planning to break in and had to go home since it was late (rocket ending) and later decided not to go through with the plan and gave up.
-
The SN kids were planning to break in but had to go home since it was late ( rocket ending) and did it another time and failed and got caught too.
tribal talon
- They didn't even tried
tribal talon
I feel like one of two things happened.
1. The SN kids were planning to break i...
I think it was just them planning
shrewd dove
Police are at his house, there are missing posters of him in hn2
The missing posters appear after he escapes from the police, to the police’s point of view, mr peterson is just gone, he is described as missing. So the raven brooks disaster must happen after mr peterson leaves, because there is nothing stopping the police from going into his basement and saving nicky, unless the kids do escape, and the guest comes after, with mr peterson still missing, just stuff to note, idk
heavy monolith
yes hes described as missing, so hes still missing even if he knows he isnt
tribal talon
He's probably missing AND wanted
heavy monolith
both
tribal talon
yeah
shrewd dove
Ye, but why wouldn’t they just label him as wanted? When someone is wanted, they are also missing, maybe they just do that because they like saying simming
sterile remnant
if Hello Neighbor 2 takes place after Hello Neighbor Act 2 how does he get the prison walls off his house so fast
shrewd dove
Mr peterson got away, he is probably wanted, but it’s just weird why they don’t say it
the prison walls are not canon, just there for gameplay
sterile remnant
oh
shrewd dove
What is this building in the lore? It looks cool, I wonder if they will ever use it
shrewd dove
Yea, I thought it was the golden apple factory, but that got burned down
heavy monolith
Its a separate factory
shrewd dove
Ye
versed yacht
What is this building in the lore? It looks cool, I wonder if they will ever use...
Idk why but I'd love to see a segment in this place where we get chased by the goose in the vents
Like that one piece of art from the diary
It's right under the Guest turning around vid
orchid echo
The gem in the hello neighbor animated show is actually a weather device. Its from the books.
silver vine
The gem in the hello neighbor animated show is actually a weather device. Its fr...
The device is actually used to turn luck to the users and give the rest bad luck. Thats how the neighbor became so unlucky.
gray dome
Its a weather device too if u pay attention
chrome palm
gray dome
No its like
heavy monolith
There are multiple devices
gray dome
Brass i think
wicked heath
Multiple devices with multiple shapes
copper wave
the device is just an empty shell with electrical stuff inside, including what i assume are multiple different gemstones
toxic mist
I was rewatching the pilot episode last night and I realized is the green light from the basement symbolizing the change of luck
heavy monolith
No