lore-discussion

[wild valley]

I’m mean it make no complete sense so yeah it can work

[gray dome]

It could also be a time travelling related device or something that we haven't learned of yet, but Idk, that's the only reason I can think of Ted using it in the AS

[wild valley]

What is the AS

[agile hare]

it doesn't even look like Peterson

[heavy monolith]

Theodore also knows about the devices

So

[wild valley]

It looks like a younger version

[agile hare]

yeah, the gem

[agile hare]

Quentin is not Peterson

[wild valley]

Sorry

[agile hare]

Quentin is guy that you play as in HG

[wild valley]

Jeez

[agile hare]

and Theodore Peterson is the neighbor

[heavy monolith]

Also

He says “you have no idea what you’ve done” after nicky takes the device

Which probably means he was gonna use it to help with something

And nicky ruined it

[gray dome]

either that or hes trying to shift the luck to rid of the crows

but crows always appear during storms so

either way i dont know

[wicked heath]

Like Aaron. Multiple timelines confirmed

baka was right! AAAH!!

[heavy monolith]

I mean

Alot of people were right

Theres alot of timelines stuff

Pointing to it

[gray dome]

what if the device allows u to revive people

[heavy monolith]

I wanna know what all the devices can do

Hopefully theyre in reset day

Or AS explains them more

Or hn2

Theyre probably gonna be in hn2

[gray dome]

I just want Reset Day 😔

[heavy monolith]

2 months hhhhh

[gray dome]

UGH

pain

[wild valley]

What is AS

And can I just say the kid that I guess you supposedly play as is a stalker in the series

[tribal talon]

Animated series

[wild valley]

I thought so

Okay but the kid is a stalker like omg

This is him watching the nieghbor or mr Peterson

[tribal talon]

no

[tribal talon]

You guys realize the pilot isn’t canon right? I know Nikitia said everything is canon but I can guarantee you the pilot is not. The pilot’s lore doesn’t count simply because it’s a pilot. If you don’t know what a pilot is, it’s something for companies to pick up and turn into an actual show.

[heavy monolith]

im assuming they’re gonna use the pilot’s thing in the future though

Like the whole device plot

[wicked heath]

i think im pretty sure everyone realised dat

[tribal talon]

They already have, the Aaron trilogy books for example.

[heavy monolith]

i know but the devices arent fully explained

[tribal talon]

Hmmmm reset day

[wicked heath]

how does it work

[heavy monolith]

Maybe reset day, hn2, or AS can explain them more

[tribal talon]

Reset day may hold the answers

[gray dome]

I'm sure Reset Day does

I doubt HN2

MAYBE it'll appear in HN2 but I'm unsure

And likely AS too

But whenever the AS comes back

[heavy monolith]

Well books 4-6 connect with hn2 kinda

So it might be in hn2

[gray dome]

kinda

but its more reset day thats supposed to tie into hn2

[tribal talon]

tinybuild called it canon

they said multiple times it is canon unless they mean the future show

But guys mayak will explain how be patient 🙂

[heavy monolith]

Can mayak explain why theodore never changes clothes

[tribal talon]

he is poor

[tribal talon]

Then why you say that lmao

Trollololol

The pilot isn’t even a part of the Tv show

It’s for companies to pick it up and make it become a tv show

[copper wave]

i mean they called it "episode one"

but who knows

[tribal talon]

They changed it though

Just pilot now

[copper wave]

oh

but, lets just consider the story of it canon for now, and then if it changes, it changes

[tribal talon]

I guess

But I highly doubt it

[heavy monolith]

Hello neighbor fans when they move into a new neighborhood and their neighbor isnt a crazy guy with a big house

[tribal talon]

True

[wicked heath]

true

[wild valley]

Hi

Do we have any information if there gonna make any more AS

[wicked heath]

since this is a pilot, dont expect much of AS soon

they are changing a lot of stuff

[wild valley]

[tribal wraith]

Pour moi

[surreal jackal]

[wicked heath]

What

[tribal wraith]

Uhhhhh

[tardy oar]

Why do emojis get deleted

Cringe moment

[paper shadow]

Had nothing to do with lore discussion and besides that, you started spamming by sending it in all channels.

[wicked heath]

bruh

[wild valley]

What was the ending

[agile hare]

Hey, animating takes a lot of time, specially with all the details, EGS and tinyBuild aren't like cartoon network or Disney, they are just a team of indie games, it's not like they have an entire animation studio

Those 22 minutes took a lot of time

They had to draw every single frame

[wild valley]

Oh

I don’t know how it works

[tribal talon]

*why does spam get deleted?
cringe moment

[vivid merlin]

there is only one thing in my theory and thinking that is not canon

Hgp

except mayak

[tribal talon]

And every alpha and beta of HN1

[agile hare]

And in between act3

[hard smelt]

Officer leslie is always late and gets fired, nicky Roth might be in alpha 2 depends on neighborhood

[slate pawn]

in sn he does

[tribal talon]

Что?

[tribal talon]

#russian-chat

ok

[agile hare]

mayak is the source of knowledge, we all know that

[tribal talon]

I like to think he just has a closet of the exact same sweater and pants

[rocky coral]

ı am videom

[storm salmon]

@rocky coral for god shake READ THE RULES

#rules-and-info

[wild valley]

I have strong words to say that the AS ends leaving us off at act three when you have to escape the nieghbors house if I need to I can explain

[tribal talon]

Act 2*

[tribal talon]

Hey, just came back to the overall HN franchise, and was wondering, are the books canon? What happened to the TV series? Where can I read the books? And, any good videos that sum up pretty much the lore up to now?

Everything is canon, as Nikita said. TV series is still being made we just don't have much info. You can buy the books on amazon. And idk about videos on lore.

[versed yacht]

1. Books are canon. 2. TV series is still a work in progress. 3. You can buy them online on Amazon or in stores. 4. And no there aren't really any good videos.

[icy zenith]

how do you know that 🤨 only people in omega do

[tribal talon]

Yes, the books are canon

The animated series is not, as it is a test pilot

[versed yacht]

To put the animated series simply, it isn't canon now from what we know, but it will be

[gray dome]

Bc so many have shared what's supposed to be private 😐 😐 😐

[tribal talon]

Damn, i really wanna catch up in the lore but god DANG i dont wanna spend a month overthinking every little thing 😭

[versed yacht]

Once you learn the basics most of it is easy-ish to understand

There are still a lot of unanswered things

So you'd be about as confused as a lot of us lol

[tribal talon]

So um, last I checked, ||the neighbor is a bad driver which resulted in him crashing, killing his wife, then his son played with his sister until on accident he pushed her over the ledge, killing her, then the neighbor traps the son because people will think badly of him, he wants out, thats how we meet with HN’s MC, act 1 is his experience as a child with this “shadow” who is the neighbor’s son, act 2 is his imagination acting up, act 3 is him as an adult facing the stuff he created...|| and then there’s Mayak, Raven Brooks and the Guest, which I know nothing about, am I missing something else?

[wild ore]

Ok nicky HNs MC is friends with Aaron the son before the car accident

[tribal talon]

Right, yes

Also don’t bring up the books cuz i still need to read them :’)

[wild ore]

Message me and we can talk

[tribal talon]

Maybe later tho, gotta do some stuff today

[wild ore]

Message my account so we can talk

[versed yacht]

That's pretty much the basics of the first game

[wild ore]

Your xbox tag

[tribal talon]

Doesn’t that cover Hide and Seek too?

[versed yacht]

Yeah

[tribal talon]

Great, I do not wanna replay that. Ever. Jesus Christ i hated that game.

[versed yacht]

The books, parts of the main game and the full game all have parts of that mashed together

[tribal talon]

Lord have mercy 😭

[wild ore]

He's taking about me just because i dont believe in the mulitverse theoy

[versed yacht]

The books show Nicky's (MC's) perspective on Diane (the wife)'s death and what happens to make him suspicious of the Neighbor, Hide and Seek shows how that effects the kids (Aaron and Mya), and Mr. Peterson AKA The Neighbor, and the game just simply explains what happens but not as in depth as the other 2

[wild ore]

I messaged you on xbox down

[tribal talon]

One day, I will read it. I should be doing homework but I’m procrastinating rn lmao

[gray dome]

There's already a lot of undeniable evidence for multiverse :/

[tribal talon]

What.

[gray dome]

🙄

[tribal talon]

No, i mean it like, I’m not aware of any theories tbh

I completely got lost after Mayak

“Mayak is the origin of all knowledge” is my “Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell”

[versed yacht]

Mayak is a weather station that will apparently explain all the inconsistencys in the lore

Thats all we know so far

[wild ore]

They believe there are 89 different neighbours everything is cannon including the bord game and hn 2 world is going to have every neighbour come through these portals

[versed yacht]

Without spoilers

[tribal talon]

That sounds like questionable writing but okaY

[tribal talon]

Bestie... I...

[wild ore]

I thought that as well

[versed yacht]

It will all make sense eventually, at least we hope it will

[wild ore]

But its truly what they believe

[gray dome]

Do I need to get the msg of the creator saying everything is canon

[tribal talon]

I do think there might be a multiverse because the story outright contradicts at some points, which would lead one to believe that all stories are true but only to the universe they relate to, however, I also believe that the contradictions are intentional because of how different POVs from each character are

[wild ore]

How is a bord game cannon zpmfe

[tribal talon]

Like, the account from a child that happened over 10 years ago wouldn’t be the same than some old guy who saw it passing by

[tribal talon]

Would not be the first time 👀

[gray dome]

Bro

[versed yacht]

I mean all the hasbro board games have a canon universe with extremely deep lore so it's not impossible

[tribal talon]

Now thats a stretch 😭

[wild ore]

You see what I mean

[versed yacht]

I don't think the board game is canon

[tribal talon]

Hm. Yes, the floor is made out of floor.

[versed yacht]

I think stuff like the show is

But not the board game

[gray dome]

duh

The show is

[versed yacht]

Board game is just a simple spinoff for some cash

[tribal talon]

I bet 5 dollars that Mayak is just their version of a multiverse

[wild ore]

Down i messaged you on Xbox btw

[tribal talon]

Bruh, for the 5th time already, I’m not checking rn, I’m keeping tabs on the discord but I’m doing my gosh darn homework 😔

[wild ore]

We are safer talking there

[tribal talon]

That sounds like indoctrination with extra steps I—

[versed yacht]

Oh yeah just so nobody thinks I'm serious and spends hours trying to find out the hasbro lore this was sarcasm

[wild ore]

Trust me discord don't like it when you go against them

[tribal talon]

Watch the only piece of canonically accurate info be the board game

[tribal talon]

I’m in vido’s blacklist, I already know that—

[wild ore]

Message me in private discord so I can ask what you did

[tribal talon]

It’s really not a secret that I question his decision to not allow a spanish channel anymore lmaO but thats off topic

[wild ore]

I dont wont another"purge"

[tribal talon]

I do not think you can trigger a purge just with wOcky theories

[wild ore]

You can

[gray dome]

You can't but k

[wild ore]

Infact we are going off topic surprised we have not had one

[tribal talon]

Mods are asleep, quick, posts memes in general! /J

Back on topic, weeeeell... maybe ill read the books later and try to figure stuff out, for now I gtg. Good to see at least the little I know isn’t obsolete yet haha

[wild ore]

What is your tag so I know I wrote to the right account

[tribal talon]

Literally the only one linked

[wild ore]

So your discord name

[gray dome]

books 1-3 are ok
books 4-6 can get weird
and book 7 is already looking to be weirder probably

[tribal talon]

It’s this one, Magsine, you can click and DM me there if thats what you mean(?

[white solstice]

Can’t wait for book 7 to be about a vacation and have nothing to do with time travel whatsoever

[tribal talon]

Grave mistakes type beat

[wild ore]

I cant because I am on Xbox using a app so you need to DM me

[tribal talon]

I will, once I have the time

[wild ore]

That cat is here gotta go

[tribal talon]

The guest is a woman since she’s in the banner for international women’s day /j

Actually
Imagine for a moment that happens

Pog

[wild valley]

In hello guest This doesn’t really change much but I think the shift are separate

I say that cause in the intro scene as the guy he kicks the sign to the side after trying to fix it and as the girl when you come up you look at it in the ground but that would me that the arm of the crow on the mountain falls ooff twice

[tribal talon]

how

[frank star]

Yes

everything in secret neighbor is canon

except bagger

[tribal talon]

You have provoked a gang war

[sonic chasm]

Dose bagger apear in anything else other then secret neighbor?

[versed yacht]

Yes

Bagger is canonically the god of the HN Universe

Along with Imbir

So he's in every Hello Neighbor game

[wild valley]

Wtf is bagger

[versed yacht]

God

[tribal talon]

Magic.

[gray dome]

please tell me this is a joke

[frank star]

No

[gray dome]

Bagger is canon and there's undeniable proof yk

[tribal talon]

Wait what? Where?

If y’all pull out Mayak again—

[versed yacht]

Bagger is canonically the god of the HN Universe

My proof?

He just is

You don't deny Bagger

[gray dome]

TV show BTS

[tribal talon]

Omg k-pop is canon in HN

No but fr I haven’t seen it, wow

Okay, I will check it later

[tribal talon]

Mayak

NOT MAYAK—

Ugh chile any ways so

Me omw to buy the SN tabletop game to experience the full HN experience:

[storm salmon]

kayak

[tribal talon]

The source of all water

Adelle had a kayak and then she wrote M on it

There

The source of all knowledge.

[tribal talon]

Mitochondria is the source of all neighbors.

[versed yacht]

Trust me, we haven't even gotten into Norman Darby, time travel and the devices yet.

[tribal talon]

or the cult

[vernal kraken]

mfw I just came here for a lonely country town setting where suspicious stuff happens

[tribal talon]

Who.

[versed yacht]

It's book spoilers so I won't go to deep into it

[tribal talon]

Ohhh right

Damn. Time to buy the books ig

[whole elbow]

The book has been out for 2 months

[versed yacht]

But basically ||he knows about act 1 years before it happens and is described to look exactly like Quentin||

[versed yacht]

Ik but they haven't read the books yet so I don't wanna spoil for them

[tribal talon]

bro I don’t wanna pirate the book but they don’t sell it in my country and shipping is 80% of the original price

[tribal talon]

For HN? Pretty much all ACT 2 & 3 (before the ending)

Act 1 is nicky’s memory, act 2 is him “escaping”, but let’s be real, ||who escapes using a trampoline||, and ACT 3 before the ending is facing his fears by a dream

[heavy monolith]

None of hn is a dream

Act 3 is nicky’s self therapy in his mind but not a dream

Act 2 is just a memory changed up by trauma

Act 1 is entirely real

We can see aaron as a cutout in act 2, because most likely nicky’s memory of aaron is fuzzy

[whole elbow]

I thought you said Aaron is furry

[heavy monolith]

I mean he is but

[tribal talon]

LmaO

[tribal talon]

He is literally asleep at the time doe?

[tribal talon]

True

[heavy monolith]

well im gonna take the word of the creator of the franchise who said it wasnt a dream

[tribal talon]

oop, when did he say that?

[heavy monolith]

Alpha 1 qna stream

[tribal talon]

oh wow ok then it’s all real

[heavy monolith]

Not necessarily

Heres another explanation by nikita

Act 3 was in nicky’s head and was him solving his fear

[heavy monolith]

What

its from omg

[whole elbow]

I think neighbor isn't gue-

[tribal talon]

I mean, there isn’t much to discuss because we can’t really do anything without Mayak dropping

[wicked heath]

We already know pretty much everything about the main game

[heavy monolith]

Except what exactly happened to aaron after act 2

He had enough time to escape when he broke the window but

We dont know if he did

[wicked heath]

Dats about HN 2

Main game is HN 1

[gray dome]

no it isnt?

[wicked heath]

I mean, HN 2 is after act 2 so

[gray dome]

yeah and

I dont think it'll be abt aaron

Just abt what happens to ted

[whole elbow]

I remember thinking that the ending (Of HN2) was the beginning of Act 3 (When nicky moves in)

[wicked heath]

With the letter. Imagine

[wicked heath]

Shut

[weak fjord]

i just played hello neighbor 2... what does how is your weather mean?

[wicked heath]

Basically a reference to Mayak

[heavy monolith]

I agree

[vapid nacelle]

Me too

[hollow arch]

😳

[tribal talon]

hi boys

[scarlet pivot]

Have you guys read the books I can't find anyone who read all books

[tribal talon]

Most of us have

Also I recognise your pfp

[tribal talon]

For whatever reason, you can’t buy the ebooks from amazon outside of the US

[tribal talon]

you can

i know for a fact i owned book 1

Weird. Amazon Mexico doesn’t have the ebook up for download, only hardcover iirc

And Apple Books MX has only 1-3 in spanish (which I dont like to read because of potential mistranslations)

I got the first 3 in English already, but I can’t find the others anywhere other than Amazon, so I’m screwed.

huh

What a lovely day to be in the 3rd world :D

If any of y’all know of a page where I can buy the 3< book series (on Mexico), please lmk ;’D

[wicked heath]

The majority of the ppl typing here has read all the books

[fleet ruin]

Did somebody read Puzzle master?

[gray dome]

Yes

Lots of us

[wicked heath]

yes

[slender surge]

im going

to

[knotty stirrup]

is this a area to talk about all the hello neighbor games

[paper shadow]

#hello-neighbor for the games of the franchise besides Secret Neighbor (since it has its own channel) and this would be the place to talk about the general lore of the Neighbor games.

[keen slate]

mmm

anger yes

murder

yes

L O R E

[static oxide]

What

[solemn seal]

[humble oar]

what

[tidal jacinth]

Lore

[faint spruce]

Lore

[crimson wren]

What if the you the player in hello neighbor what if your his lost son and he been living in the same area from his wife’s death and his daughter he’s trying to hide the things that made him fall down in his life from the car crash and the daughter and you running away

[heavy monolith]

no

i dont think roth is the same last name as peterson

[faint spruce]

Ah you must be new

[tribal talon]

[faint spruce]

lol

[rustic walrus]

[versed yacht]

Ok so here's a little theory (no I don't think this is the case and it's very unlikely but just something I came up with) but what if Norman from Book 6 is Aaron? Ik that sounds weird but what if he's an adult version of Aaron trying to warn him of what's gonna happen in Act 1, but he can't go into much detail because that would like ruin the timeline or something. Most time travel movies have the troupe, where they aren't allowed to speak too much of the future or they'll ruin it. After Act 2 he escapes and learns to do stuff with time travel or something. It doesn't make sense but it would make sense since Nikita likes those types of movies (like Back to The Future)

[faint spruce]

Hmmm

Who knows

[heavy monolith]

How would norman know about the name “narf” though

Aaron never heard it

The only people who know that name are jay, luanne and nicky im pretty sure

[faint spruce]

Good point

[serene bloom]

Nigbor catch kids because he is hungry.

[faint spruce]

No

Be quiet

[serene bloom]

Yes

[faint spruce]

Go to basement

[serene bloom]

No plz

I haven’t ate in one second

[tribal talon]

Nicky probably told him somewhere

[versed yacht]

Like I said, very messy theory but just a concept I had

[vernal kraken]

tbh I kinda like that theory

[heavy monolith]

Or norman is future nicky 😳

But i doubt hes a time traveller

I think he can predict the events like theodore can

[agile hare]

puberty hits hard 😳

[scarlet pivot]

Is that nog simming story or gone missing story about scout from secret neighbor because I've read all the books up until puzzle master and idk what the story means am I missing something?

[copper wave]

the missing child is a boy, not a girl, so it cant be scout

[scarlet pivot]

Kk

[versed yacht]

Matthew Bagger 🤔

[tribal talon]

Ozvard said in russian chat that Detective, Brave and Leader in sn are from books.
three others - Scout, Bagger, Inventor are characters that sn developers created/not from books

[versed yacht]

We know

But maybe they're the kids from nog simming

[tribal talon]

i said only what developer said

to be honest i'm still idk what's the thing about nog simming

[versed yacht]

It's supposed to lead into HN2

[ebon trellis]

Anyone else ever notice the house outside of the map in HN that has objects laying around. Like a brown hat and the basketball in the tree. I wonder who’s house that is?

[wicked heath]

Yes. We ve all noticed. Most likely smith's house

[heavy monolith]

Because hes the only person in raven brooks with a hat

Ah yes

[minor kayak]

the neighbor has the same hat in his house

MIH!

[heavy monolith]

neighbor is mith!

[ebon trellis]

Big leap but what if it was the man in hat, or whatever his name is. I’m probably wrong but idk

[minor kayak]

oh no

[heavy monolith]

Mith doesnt seem to have a house

He kinda just vibes

[wide hull]

Hes like a strange turtle, when he gets scared he pulls himself into his hat. That why it so big, its his home

[ebon trellis]

Lmao

[tribal talon]

who the hell said that

[agile hare]

I wonder if the luck devices are gonna appear in hn2 at some point, since hn2 is mostly connected to the books

and if the Peterson's gem is also gonna appear

[heavy monolith]

I think the gem is a luck device

[agile hare]

yeah

they're the same tbh

I also wonder what nicky is gonna do with the gem in the AS

[gray dome]

what

[tribal talon]

[lethal nexus]

yes hn lore is very interesting

[versed yacht]

@copper wave

[gray dome]

we know

[heavy monolith]

that guy was never canon

The one in the photo

[tribal talon]

which photo

[versed yacht]

The pre alpha one

[shadow summit]

wow def helps

[versed yacht]

the one with the neighbor and the other guy which is a bible reference

[torpid needle]

Guys... i think the guest: is basically the Neighbor, who has gone crazy and wanted to confuse everyone, he got locked because he wanted attention

[heavy monolith]

Among us

[faint spruce]

To this day I still hate his teeth

[heavy monolith]

Picture guy isnt canon

[faint spruce]

No

[loud ridge]

Lore

[faint spruce]

Lore

[iron widget]

Did the brother shoot his sister in hello neighbor hide and seek

[faint spruce]

Omfg

He pushed her off the roof by mistake

He through a temper tantrum and ended up knocking her off

Play hello neighbor hide and seek @iron widget

[iron widget]

Ok

That’s sad🥺

[tribal talon]

[iron widget]

Dude carvin the crow stole my graping gun in hello neighbor 2

[sharp lily]

😛

[agile hare]

tiny tiny teeth, he has like 45 teeth in his mouth

[heavy monolith]

Why did you have to brighten it to find out

[agile hare]

yeah, how did you notice it just now

[tribal talon]

can someone brighten this then

idk if its neighbor

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660215427300982794/824662922143203368/SPOILER_not_a_scary_neighbor.jpg

[gray dome]

what

oh

ok

lol

but

im too lazy to

[tribal talon]

i was kidding

[gray dome]

brighten it urself if u rly wanted

[tribal talon]

[raw rover]

hot

[tribal talon]

So what’s in the neighbors basement in secret neighbor?

[lament vault]

a barbecue party

[ocean scroll]

wait a mintue, in act 3 the house is burnt down, but in hn2 it's perfectly fine, but it also but also the whole place looks completely different So... whats up with that???

[cedar carbon]

we have to remember how our char woke up at the end and nothing was there so just another dream if i could guess

[vivid merlin]

I say this place is in a different place, rebuilding the house

[cedar carbon]

truuuuu.

[vivid merlin]

👍 yeeaaah 😎

[ocean scroll]

so for now we can conclued that this is a different part of raven brooks

[cedar carbon]

yea lol

[ocean scroll]

but why is there missing posters of the kid when he escaped in act 2? maybe they are old is what I think.

[vivid merlin]

aaron and mya's old

[gray dome]

Act 3 wasn't a dream :/

[cedar carbon]

it was look at the end. the char LITERALLY woke up. everything that happened was real but he dreamt it and saw it again did u ever complete it :/

[gray dome]

Yes, but the creator already explains it isn't a dream

[cedar carbon]

oh :p thanks xD

[old mirage]

i think birdman and the neighbor are 2 different people

[echo bane]

Ok in the HN showcase alex needs help, i think it ties into the error world.

[worn hinge]

sory

[faint spruce]

what

how

[faint spruce]

idk you tell me

If he says its not then ita not

but I think it's like a memory of act 1 and 2 but really messed up

But not a dream exactly

He probably just sat down and told himself not to be haunted anymore I guess?????? But that's stupid so it's act3 instead

Idk

[tribal talon]

[faint spruce]

[raw rover]

the kid we play as in hello neighbor is named Nicky right?

[storm salmon]

yes

[raw rover]

k

[wild ore]

Ok i need to say this about the neighbour being guest thing here is why i dont believe that and before someone says something i know about the face test but you got to remember things can change and this is not including the timeline theory with that being said, poof 1 the body shape is different the heads arms legs proof two age the guest has to be young and strong the neighbor is in his late 40s early 50 buy the colour of hes hair he would not be strong anoth to throw a grown adulte a cross a yard bue would be strong enough to throw you a few feet a cross a room proof 3 the guest does a lot of non human things like climbing on tthe house and the noises proof 4 every promotional art with the neighbor shows them as separate people and in the live stream he is watching the neighbor on the tv how would he be in two places at once anyway that is the proof aginst being Mr Peterson
@wild ore
@wild ore

[versed heath]

bruh thats an old picture

[raw rover]

i know

[shadow summit]

its a reference

[tribal talon]

copy-pasted from hn server
The point of this scene is - Guest watching something that happened long ago. trailer starts with this scene and ends with this scene.
You can see Leslie's coffee cup, Quentin's bio, Mith's shoe (mith, because only mith had Quentin's and Beatrix's bios), plush bunny from that halloween kids. He did something with all of them.
he watches at what happened a long time ago and tries to get rid of it all. Guest is Neighbor, because he's only one who is trying to run away from the past, from everyone and everything.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648186907708227624/825122404250157117/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648186907708227624/825123089075273758/unknown.png

all those things - coffee cup, etc. - he's want to burn the down as well. he's tried to get rid of it.

that's why they are always near to the furnace

[versed yacht]

That doesn't make much sense too me. Why would he wait to burn them? Also why would he being watching stuff from his past if he wants it gone from his memory? And he probably isn't the only one trying to run away from his past, if anything, all this evidence could point to the Guest being Aaron. Trying to forget his life of being locked up in a basement. I don't support Aaron Guest because of how unlikely it, and all the counter evidence, but still. I'm not saying your theory is bad, it's a great theory, but I just don't see how it would work.

And no, I'm not trying to attack Neighbor Guesters, I'm just sharing my thoughts on the theory.

[gray dome]

Aaron doesn't really have any bad history other than killing his sister and the books, Ted tho does, which is why he wants to burn and rid of all his old memories

[sonic chasm]

What if the guest is a whole different character that we have to uncover in the game 😳

[versed yacht]

He grew up with a "cursed" family, known for the ammount of accidents happened at Theo's themeparks. Most of his friends left him because of his dad and then there's the stuff he listed. He also thinks he's "cursed" and an "omen." Also having to see his best friend locked up in his dad's basement after he warned him not to come back.

[faint spruce]

Omfg the alphas aren't Canon

[raw rover]

Respect my theory

[tribal talon]

and everything this is not presented in hide and seek. and not even in first game

at all.

[gray dome]

and that isn't very important to him anymore

It'd still make more sense for Ted

Who wants to rid of his entire past

By burning the TV

[tribal talon]

TV was expensive actually

stupid guest

[gray dome]

smh burning expensive equipment

wasting money it

on it

[tribal talon]

Man I wanna be like the guest let me go burn my TV real quick

[vernal kraken]

tbh I'm pretty sure that kind of tv might blow up in fire? because of the compressed tubes

idk

[lusty wigeon]

So if this is true, and Hello Guest is just a part of the final game. Maybe the fact they would want to blow up the amusement park is for the same reason.

[random lake]

Hey so I was thinking how if the crow is Peterson (the neighbor) and in the books Nicky and Maya go missing, hear me out. there are 3 Halloween kids at the beginning of the game now, and one of them is dressed as a crow, and who do you think the other 2 are? i say its kind of figurative for Aron and Maya and also in the book there are the missing posters and in the beginning of the game before they got "bagged" a missing poster flashes before the main character.

[tribal talon]

mya's dead lol

she didnt go missing

[random lake]

like i said its fiurative

[frigid sage]

Hello I’m new

[lone sage]

hi new

[gray dome]

im dad

[lone sage]

oooh

thats a decent roast

[granite orchid]

Hi I’m new

[scarlet pivot]

Is the hello neighbor 2 alphas canon or no

[tribal talon]

i dont know at this point

theyre so nonsensical

[scarlet pivot]

Ye

[tribal talon]

in the first one

funny bird man locks a thin looking theodore into the attic

and then hes nowhere to be seen and suddenly the neighbors outside the house with the man in the hat

[scarlet pivot]

I guess they wanted to go with that concept but it's more like mr Peterson does stuff in house the guest is in the forest

[tribal talon]

but why was there an extremely thin neighbor

i can pull up the model rn

[scarlet pivot]

Like if you need to get something from the forest you'll encounter the guest as he is a Forrest protector

[tribal talon]

it was in the trailer and in the first alpha

theres 3 neighbor models

[scarlet pivot]

Do you mean fake neighbor?

With the mask and camera

[tribal talon]

and the neighbor for trailer

[scarlet pivot]

Oh

[tribal talon]

all 3 models are different from eachother

the first one is normal theodore peterson

then theres neighbor_for_trailer, which is very thin and uses some of the guest's assets but is a bit chubby in the belly

but neighbor_fake is way thinner

[scarlet pivot]

Some people are thinking guest is Gordon cleave but some people are saying no i brought it up before and got shut down but apparently officer tapps and cleave got away with it in hn puzzle master I haven't read it in a while

[tribal talon]

gordon cleave?

[scarlet pivot]

Ye

And officer tapps

[tribal talon]

never heard of em

[scarlet pivot]

He is a Forrest protector in books

But gets arrested somebody said he got away with it idk if he was lying or maybe I just need to read the books again

Probably need to read them again

[vivid merlin]

I don't know the fake model, but the trailer and the muscular neighbor look like the original (hn1) neighbor's look

So this has a purpose and maybe we can see that later

keep your eyes peeled

[tribal talon]

the fake model was for an old ending for alpha 1

ik how it wouldve played out

[scarlet pivot]

It's neighbor but in lockdown

[tribal talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735264216604344463/736825876389560330/SPOILER_SPOILER_0001-0639.mp4

found the cutscene

this wouldve played out in the attic

the reason he flies over like that is because he would be going above the roof so he could appear on the left

[scarlet pivot]

Aah I've seen this

[vivid merlin]

Maybe the mask doesn't fit on his head

[tribal talon]

it does

literally made for the model

[versed yacht]

I feel like Neighbor Fake was actually MITH

Like not just his model

He tricks you into thinking he's the Neighbor and then he takes a pic of you for detective reasons or somethin

[tribal talon]

nah

proportions dont fit

[scarlet pivot]

Hello neighbor clone wars

[tribal talon]

and i doubt he has the exact same hairstyle as theodore

[scarlet pivot]

Hello neighbor deformed clone wars

[tribal talon]

he may use mith's materials

but it cant be smith

[tribal talon]

I love how he just FLY

[elder storm]

Hello guys

Someone speak portuguese?

I want tô know the books history full

[vivid merlin]

i added something new in the theory i made
New informations
After the neighbor lost his home years ago, no one has received much information from him, according to rumors he is 'keeping something or someone in the basement of the neighbor's house' because when he was in the old town and he was absent, there were too many losses and kidnapping.
It is even said to have committed murder. However, how many of this information is not known correctly, and in the rumors in this neighborhood, it is known that even if the neighbor disappears in the house, he is still doing strange things.
That's why Quentin, who works at Raven Brooks rimmor and is known to be a security guard, has to find this secret before many people. Because a few policemen from the police company who came through the state,
Maybe they put the neighbor in jail, so it is up to Quentin to solve this secret.

[slender stream]

were gonna find out it matthew is or isnt bagger in the next nog simming right?

[tribal talon]

Probably isn't

Who knows

[jolly comet]

I will say that the guest will kidnap imbir at one point in the game because imbir is in the bag of the guest plushie

[random lake]

im not shure but for some reason i specualte guest and "shadow person" have something to do with each other. its like first the main threaght was the neighbor, the it was shdow boy in the basement and now bird man or guest, i feel like this is starting to make some big anime plot that like everyone is going to feel so stuipid for not realising.

[heavy monolith]

I doubt the guest is affiliated with fear

[tribal talon]

considering you think he locked the shadow in the basement

i doubt it

[shadow summit]

why do people think matthew is bagger like bruh

[versed yacht]

Because it makes sense

[shadow summit]

yeah theres a kid named matthew

that 100% means he's bagger!!!

[vernal kraken]

because the kid is friends with a scout lol

idk

[heavy monolith]

The nog simming scout isnt scout

Its a boy

[faint spruce]

Wha

[strange lance]

Matthew is also a scout.

Same troop as missing kid.

Not bagger

[versed yacht]

Scout is a scout, so why can't Bagger and Inventor be scouts?
Same troop as another missing kid (scout), they are missing because they are planning to break in. It's later in the night, just like it is in SN.
Scout, Inventor, and Bagger have virtually no story or character that we know of, so this could be introducing more about them
If the missing kid is Inventor or one of the SN kids, that explains the note with the "I promise." The other names that aren't mentioned could be Enzo Maritza Trinity. He's promising that he won't chicken out of breaking into Peterson's.

there

Now please don't kill me because I have a theory

I don't want this to turn into the next Neighbor guest thing

[strange lance]

@versed yacht I do believe kate is scout (and for.those saying kate is a boy, it is possible for girl scouts and boy scouts to merge) as for bagger and inventor, I thiink there is a possibility that they could be missing kid and matthew. But I say we wait for the next nog-simming before making any big theorys about bagger and imventor.

[tribal talon]

so its confirmed that hn 2 is before act 2 ? because of the missing posters of nick

[tribal talon]

it is, and it's not

most events in the game will be after act 2 and before act 3. Exactly that big part that is missing in hn1.

But some not big parts will be also between act 1 and 2, so it will be more clear to understand what's actually going on

[coarse crater]

I don't even think act 2 happened the way it did

[radiant token]

If he was locked in that room for the time it says (a couple of months) wouldn’t people notice it? Or at least try to investigate Mr. Peterson’s house, just to check?

[tribal talon]

people were told the kids were sent to the aunts house

[radiant token]

For real

[spare inlet]

The books contain all relevant story and lore

Can't blame people for being confused tbh, they have to buy books to work out the story

[radiant token]

Oh, I’m sorry. I just wasn’t aware. I WAS aware of HL from the Alpha 2 to Secret Neighbor. I just came back and have almost no idea. Also, I was just joking about the ridiculous excuse they came up.

[spare inlet]

No don't worry about it I just meant people who are new to the franchise

[ivory moss]

a question Raven Brooks from hello neighbor 2 is the same from hello neighbor 1?

[vivid merlin]

It doesn't seem that much to me (not to me). but how do you think

It depens on you

[ebon trellis]

I was thinking the same thing, because it looks so different. Maybe it’s the old town mentioned in the book

[ivory moss]

O ty👍

[strange lance]

I'm pretty sure it's the same neighborhood but the entire place is just remastered to look better. If ut was the neighborhood from HN1 it would look bad.

[ebon trellis]

True

[strange lance]

If alpha 2 takes place between act 1 and 2 (since Nicky is still missing and neighbor is still here) does that mean SN already "happened"?

[heavy monolith]

We dont know if nicky is still missing

Him escaping doesnt instantly make his posters go away

[strange lance]

If Nicky was no longer missing I am pretty sure the neighbor would have paniced and escaped. (Cop scene teaser)

[steady dust]

but why would Egs put the effort into making nicky posters and putting them throughout the town if Nicky wasn't gonna be in the basement?

[heavy monolith]

Why would they put the effort into putting neighbor posters around the town like we saw if hes just chilling at a house

[tribal talon]

i think the missing posters for theodore are after the one teaser where the cops show up at his house and he runs away

[steady dust]

Maybe the town thinks hes missing and thats why the police show up at his house

If nicky wasn't missing the neighbor would be a wanted man after nicky told people what had happened

[tribal talon]

i think this is what happens:

[steady dust]

and the neighbor's posters would say Tawned or something

[tribal talon]

nicky was "missing" (in basement)

[steady dust]

it's gotta be during act 2 before nicky escapes
It's too late for act 1 and way too early for act 3

[tribal talon]

then he gets away

normal act 2 happens

THEN the police show up at his house

after nicky escapes

and then he drives off without the cops noticing

and he's considered missing

[steady dust]

I could see where you're coming from, because the house we see in the ai trailer is different from act 1

[tribal talon]

guest shows up at the neighbor's house, renovates it

first alpha and 1.5 happens

and quentin was sent to investigate

i think the neighbor definitely moved

but quentin somehow finds him

and then ai rundown thing happens

[zealous rock]

am Russian

[tribal talon]

so what happend to crown man ? he was the neighbor or what ?

[west briar]

Probably not

[robust kettle]

Can someone explain the whole lore to me cuz i have no idea whats going on

Ngl

[strange lance]

Car crash

wife dies

brother pushes sister off roof out of anger

neighbor locks son in basement

player is friends with Aaron (the neighbor's son)

Player name is Nicky

[west briar]

Who is guest

A.k.a crow a.k.a raven

[strange lance]

We don't know yet

entirely

[west briar]

K

Also

Wait nevermind I’ll go to off topic

[tribal talon]

this is sad

[torpid nimbus]

so how did the crow even get to mr.petersons house?

[tribal talon]

they probably deleted him from the story or he was the undercover neighbor

[tribal talon]

lol no

the guest isnt the neighbor, nor is he removed from the story

[tribal talon]

nor ?

it just means or

ohh ok

I wonder what content expansion for h1 means

[coarse crater]

honestly probably fixing hn and replacing the artstyle with hg artstyle?

just my theory

[tribal talon]

I doubt it

[hexed terrace]

in the fourth book Bad Blood: it talks about the forest protectors that had been studied by Raven Brooks university and the university had found large bird nests in the trees, on the top of the house next to the neighbors house in alpha one there is a giant bird nest and also the crow man matches the description that the university said in the book and it turns out he isn't a crow he is a raven!

[tribal talon]

yeah

the guest is a

forest protector

[hexed terrace]

and in the first beta it had shown a weather station with eyeball which was aarons grandparents weather station

[tribal talon]

mayak

[hexed terrace]

what does mayak mean?

[storm salmon]

its the weather station's name

[gray dome]

Mayak, the building that will eXpLaIn EvErYtHiNg

[storm salmon]

yes

[hexed terrace]

Sum up of Lore to my knowledge: inciddent in germany at one of mr.petersons parks they move back to raven brooks aaron makes friends with the kids of secret neighbor aaron meets Ike Geroshowitz which is a guard in the forest specifically the golden apple site which we play in in the early hello guest games which the secret neighbor kids tell aaron about the forest protectors and he finds the weather station in the forest a.k.a. Mayak (thank you That Jimmy guy) and Ike finds him there and brings him home then the golden apple park then Lucy yi dies and nicky moves meets aaron and the secret neighbor crew then the wife dies and aaron gets angry kills mya and he gets locked in the basement turns to shadow man then nicky dissapears or moves and apparently we all thought we played as Ike in hello guest but according to Tinybuild it is some one else?!?

[strange lance]

The content expansion is just a bug fix for HN1 mobile only.

Very sad

[hexed terrace]

You have to be kidding me

[strange lance]

Yep

That's it

[hexed terrace]

where did you here that

[strange lance]

Called it that for hype.

1. At the end of the content expansion trailer it showed play store and IOS store for HN1 mobile only. 2. The expansion just means adding stuff mobile is missing. Like objects and mechanics.

Even though xbox is missing stuff too.

[hexed terrace]

Well at least we will get a new game!!

[strange lance]

HN2 better be good. 😡

[gray dome]

You play as Quentin in HG ...jesus ...how do people still not know that

[hexed terrace]

I know that it is just that I don't know why they would include him though he hasn't been introduced in the story yet so i am only questioning who he is!

[gray dome]

Because he's just a book character

Nothing special abt him

Other than he died

[hexed terrace]

o ok

?!?

he died

[strange lance]

Candy.

Turned into candy

Eaten by guest

[hexed terrace]

oh

[strange lance]

Joke

[hexed terrace]

well i would at first assume it was ike because the game was released around the time he was introduced but also I would think he would be there in the game because he was the guard or something in the fourth book for the forest

[strange lance]

It was trick

Later confirmed not him.

[hexed terrace]

OHH

[strange lance]

Ike dead.

Bye bye ike

[hexed terrace]

How did he die?

[strange lance]

Killed. We don't really know how

[hexed terrace]

Where does it say he was killed

?

[strange lance]

Book

Found dead in peppermint vat

[hexed terrace]

which one

[strange lance]

In factory

[strange lance]

I don't remember

Grave mistakes?

[gray dome]

most likely killed by Cleave

[hexed terrace]

Did Aaron find him dead

[strange lance]

Police did

Not Aaron. He just heard

[hexed terrace]

ohhh

[gray dome]

His body was found in a peppermint vat in the Golden Apple factory

[hexed terrace]

Who did he hear from

[strange lance]

Police

[gray dome]

Enzo

[strange lance]

😐

[static oxide]

Arron found who dead?

[hexed terrace]

ohhh

Ike

[gray dome]

The Police didn't tell Aaron lol

It was Enzo

[strange lance]

My mistake. 🙄

[hexed terrace]

Maybe Ike didn't die in the factory. In Grave Mistakes on page 9 it says "It all comes back in a wave-the tunnel leading from the weather station, the broken lantern that should have been in my grandparents' old office, the bloody smear across the wallet holding Mr. Geroshowitz's ID." So the police may have lied to be hiding something!

[gray dome]

Ike did die

But ok

[hexed terrace]

I am not to sure about what I found but you never know it may help in discovering the lore

[tribal talon]

He did

They found the body

In book 6

[hexed terrace]

But what im trying to say is that the tunnels that his ID was found in were a secret of the petersons so maybe the police tried to make it seem that he just died in the factory so people wouldn't find out about the tunnels

[tribal talon]

Why would they

[hexed terrace]

because he died in a tunnel that was a secret to the town

Does any body else agree with my theory?

the tunnels were believed to lead to the factory because of the factory fire that happened when Roger and Addelle were working

About the dead body of Ike in the tunnel

The TUNNEL under mayak

It is a couple lines up when it talks about the police saying he died at the factory though in the fifth book it talks about the blood on Ike's ID and that the police were hiding his death in the tunnels so people wont find the tunnels or at least find out about them

you get it

Then the tunnels connect to the factory were THE BODY WAS FOUND

[tribal talon]

wouldn't they just not report Ike's death in the first place

[hexed terrace]

He died underground in a secret TUNNEL!!!

SECRET!!\

[tribal talon]

you missed the point

[vivid merlin]

Even if hn 2 is before and after act 3, the game sequel (years after)

[hexed terrace]

But do you see the point im trying to make

[tribal talon]

hn2 isn't after act 3

at least most of it isn't from what we've seen

[vivid merlin]

Everyone thinks differently, the decision is up to him

[tribal talon]

i know but

nicky missing posters

[vivid merlin]

You think nicky missing poster explain everything

I think it was an old ad

But there are still things missing, one is the neighbor and his children.

so 3 losses

[tame mural]

Is your pic...Luigi?

[tribal talon]

yes

[strange lance]

That is actually true. In the reset day preview it mentions old missing posters on a wall while enterting the town.

Maybe it is old

Maybe not

[tame mural]

Why tho?

[tribal talon]

because it's from the mario cartoon and

1: i always liked that show

2: the face is just oddly funny

[faint spruce]

I love the Mario cartoon ngl

I've seen like every episode

From super show to mario world cartoon

Start to finish because epic 😳 😎

[raw rover]

https://tenor.com/view/the-super-mario-bros-super-show-dj-music-time-to-party-party-gif-18116078

[hexed terrace]

It is called hello neighbor 2 because the other games happen during hello neighbor as this happens after and the posters may still be old because as we know the neighborhood wasn't broken like that during act 2

[gleaming wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/big-chungus-annoying-orange-gif-18432036

[faint spruce]

Funny

[tribal talon]

actually it's called hello neighbor 2 because it's a sequel

[heavy monolith]

its not a sequel though

its between act 2 and 3

[tribal talon]

its a sequel still

it doesnt take place just between that

[coarse crater]

act 3 is destorted memories

act 2 might be too

so yes it can be during act 2 and 3

and also

for what reason would they time skip

Nikita said the neighbor was 57 or 50

he'd get too old

[hexed terrace]

Well In a book of hello neighbor it says he was 40 and if it was during act two then his house would be the secret neighbor prison and if it was a dream than most of Mr. Peterson's suspicious stuff was a dream and it cant be during act 3 because then we don't see nicky's house which is across the street from the neighbor but even if it was it would be quentine's house because in the showcase they say Quentine is the new neighbor of Mr. Peterson.

So it is a sequel

[tribal talon]

hello neighbor 2 is midquel

[vivid merlin]

Yes

[hexed terrace]

But that doesn't make sense

[gray dome]

1. Act 3 isn't a dream
2. HN2 is already confirmed to be between act 2 and 3

[vivid merlin]

But

[hexed terrace]

ohhh

i get it now

[gray dome]

no buts

[hexed terrace]

because nicky moves after act two

[vivid merlin]

not all verified in the same way

[hexed terrace]

ok

[gray dome]

and?

[vivid merlin]

can be verified differently

[hexed terrace]

so nicky moves somewhere and then quentine moves in then quentine moves out and nicky moves in

which he moves in during act 3

so the posters are still up from nickys dissaperance

[gray dome]

????

[short vale]

hello

[hexed terrace]

so quentine moves in to nicky's house and then HN2 takes place then he moves out and HN act 3 takes place

[gray dome]

he doesnt move into nickys house tho???

[hexed terrace]

well in the first alpha he doesnt but in alpha two he will

because TinyBuild talked about him being Mr. Peterson's new neighbor

though in alpha one he is someone basically spying on him for information of missing kids

[gray dome]

for all we know he could be his neighbor in a different location

Not the old one

Remember Ted moved out of the old neighborhood due to the police

[hexed terrace]

yeah

[faint spruce]

Yes thank you

[tribal talon]

Act 3 is a dream, just not in the beggining

[gray dome]

It isn't a dream

The creator confirmed this already

[tribal talon]

How is it not a dream? You fall asleep and suddenly there's this massive house then after you face your fears you wake up and it's all gone

Plus we see the neighbor also lives in a apartment in the beggining

So he would have no time to move and build that

[gray dome]

I forget what Nikita called it but it's not a dream

He called it self therapy I think

[tribal talon]

It was still a dream

[gray dome]

no it isn't

if you want literal proof go to the tB channel

or

I can get the proof myself

on a discord server

[tribal talon]

Sure go ahead

[tribal talon]

@tribal talon ZPEFM is right

Nikita said it isn't a dream, if you see the message above

[slender stream]

lucid dream nicky

[tribal talon]

Act 3 was said to be "self therapy" for Nicky as Nikita said

so technically it isnt a dream but isnt real

[bronze vector]

At the end of hello neighbor 2 after the final cutscence a random message will pop up saying "How is your weather?" I'm trying to figure out what that means.

[tribal talon]

A lot of people say it relates to the mayak 1 weather station but I dont know

[bronze vector]

i thought that too but i didnt get it

[tribal talon]

Technically its not a dream its "self therapy" so Nicky can overcome his fears and move on from the past trauma he experienced as a kid "the thing" represents his fears and why you defeat it at the end of Act Finale

"the thing" represents his fears and why you defeat it at the end of Act Finale
You really think I didn't know that?

The giant house is just kind of an exaggeration his mind made up because of how a child would have seen it

[tribal talon]

I was making sure you werent like well that doesnt make sense because of blah blah blah I figured you knew

So the events of Act 3 are real but the house and stuff arent

I get that bit

[bronze vector]

ME TOO

sorry

[tribal talon]

But it is was still a dream... He just overcame his fears because of that

I dont know how to explain it to you any other way its not a dream

[bronze vector]

it has to be a dream

[tribal talon]

The developers even told everyone it wasnt as simple as a dream the whole self therapy thing explains it much better

But everything was fake over than him overcoming his fears

and the Self Therapy explaination was brought up by Nikita aswell it rounds it up much better then saying it was a dream

[tribal talon]

It wasn't as simple as a dream correct but it is still technically a dream just more advanced.. kinda a lucid dream

Because he knew what he was doing

;-;

Still a type of dream

Which its not

Yes

No

A dream implies he fell asleep aswell nothing proves he was asleep either

Self therapy you don't just fall asleep and overcome your fears in a night. It takes months sometimes years

[tribal talon]

Bro the opening cut seen after he picks up the phone

Maybe he had been working on it for a while and coming back to his childhood home and seeing the neighbors burnt down house was what pushed him to overcome his fears

He lays on his couch and dozes off

[tribal talon]

You see him lay on the couch then it cuts to black

Yeah he wasn't moving... He fell asleep

He laid on the couch and fell asleep

Ive had plenty of times where Ive been able to tell a story in my head just staring at a wall and not falling asleep so no

You dont need to fall asleep to do that

We're your eyes closed?

Were*

Because nicky's were

I mean closing your eyes would make it easier

but you could do it either way if you ask me

For people with an active imagination it could be even easier

And right after the cutscene of him laying on the couch it goes to another cutscene of him waking up at night though it was inside the dream

He wakes up to screams

and In the cutscene when he gets up he just jerks up and inhales sharply meaning he had probably been very immersed in his "scenario" I'll call it

and snapped out of it

I jerk up when I wake up to a loud noise just like anyone else

Doesnt mean you cant also do it while your awake

Ive had times where im spacing out and someone will yell for me and I'll do the same thing lol

You don't just close your eyes for 12 hours straight without sleeping

I feel like this is hard debate to finish when were referring to a game where all of these minoote details didnt really get thought about

Probably

"probably"

If were thinking in reality terms yah you probably wouldve fallen asleep at some point I can agree with you on that

Was it twelve hours tho?

With how the error ending is having all these miniscule pieces they definitely did

now that im thinking of it

I dont remember what the scene was before and after

[tribal talon]

Probably not but still awhile maybe like 8

just a sec

I would say it was probably 3-4am he was startled awake at

He fell asleep at around 12pm

It was either sunrise or sunset when he went to sleep I just checked if it was sunrise he couldve been on the couch for a small amout of time

If it was sunrise he would've slept like almost 24 hours

wdym lol

. Sunrise is at the beggining of the day, he woke up at midnight (most likely 3-4am)

He gets on the couch at 6 or 7 am thats sunrise around where I am and he finishes at like 8 or 9 am

No he doesnt

Check it again

It was dark when he woke up

I literally just watched a video adn he gets up and its bright enough to where he covers his eyes as he walks out the door and some kid is biking by and he waves at them

That's at the end of the game

what waking up are you referring to

Into the dream state

It was in his head it could be any time he wants it to be lol what kinda logic is that

The events of act 3 technically take place when he is a kid but when he imagines it on the couch hes an adult

Its not real so in the situation he imagines it so it could be any time of the day depending on how he imagines it

Also when I fall asleep whether it's at noon or midnight I always wake up to the sun bright. So could nicky

But didnt I just say I believe in the theory that he doesnt fall asleep lol

Since nicky didn't have a job he would've most likely woken up at 9am

Thats a bit of a stretch even if we say he falls asleep

Sleep schedules are very broad from person to person

[tribal talon]

Your "theory." A theory just about never true

Yours is also a theory

Yeah a more likely theory

just a sec

Which takes everything into play. Even the smallest details

Ive brought up every detail and had a pretty reasonable explanation to every one yours is no more likely then mine

Especially when the devs say its not a dream

And also devs like to try to through ppl of the correct path. sometimes

It was a lucid dream kinda

Lucid dream are more technically than a normal dream

it being a lucid dream is just as lazy as a normal dream https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768152883765444608/827986810458079272/unknown.png

"that would be to simple and weird" - the dev

The devs calling it a dream is just a way of simple of them explaining something they didnt think about dude

A lucid dream isn't simple

Or weird in the sense of a normal dream

Hold no brb

[tribal talon]

Do yuo know what a lucid dream is dude

Definition:Lucid dreams are when you know that you’re dreaming while you’re asleep.

You’re aware that the events flashing through your brain aren’t really happening. But the dream feels vivid and real

Its literally a dream but you know that your dreaming

A theory is just an unproven assumption by the way

My theory is possible also

Ive had to bring up this point about everything youve said and its starting to annoy me repeating it

Im not saying your wrong but just cause someone says its possible doesnt mean it cant be done otherwise

"Im not saying your wrong but just cause someone says its possible doesnt mean it cant be done otherwise"

When did you say this? I didn't see this over the multiple hours

Just a sec

[tribal talon]

You acted like just because you had brought up good points that I couldnt have

And I mentioned that

Im not saying I put it in those exact words but I essentially said the same thing

I tweaked the sentence to make more sense to what you had said

But gives the same point

[tribal talon]

Im assuming you didnt get the point though cause you said this

[tribal talon]

ok so

i just finished hn2 by myself finally

so ive noticed alot of things about the ending

Im all ears ive got it too so im curious to see what you think

if you wanna discuss it that is?

[tribal talon]

i just found something out

putting the candy in too fast

throws you out of the attic

and somewhere outttt and away in the map

[tribal talon]

Wut

[tribal talon]

?

yeah

[tribal talon]

?

I'll have to try it at some point I guess

I coulda swore Ive put it in pretty fast before but I'll try it

[strange lance]

In conclusion: Act 3 is a not a dream, but it also sort of is. Now stop. 😎

[elder sparrow]

y'all weird, idk that it threw u out...

[tribal talon]

Nikita said it not me

He literally wrote the lore and created the game

[coarse crater]

Nikita said nothing is a dream

that's it

[hexed terrace]

This sounds dumb but could it be a sleeping illusion?

[wicked heath]

Nikita said Neighbor is Nicky son

Nicky is father of Neighboor

[strange lance]

So Nicky would be Aaron's grandparent

[wicked heath]

yes

[strange lance]

But Aaron is Quentin and Nicky is Quentin's brother.

[tribal talon]

since when is aaron quentin

[wicked heath]

since 2021

[strange lance]

We are joking.

[tribal talon]

he doesnt even have the swirl on his chin

smh