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Mm yes kid friendly, a grown man trapping 3 kids and starving them in an attic
It doesn't feel like they would just off him
also, remember ppl theorising that the woman saying "dinners ready" was Mrs. Esposito?
Well we don't know when the house burned. We know it's after act and before act 3
No shit sherlock
Isn't their mom dead š³
Cuz she is never mentioned at all
She is
for people who still think neighbor is guest
it could be possible but i doubt it
imagine
when the neighbor drives away at the end of the alpha 3 trailer
when he hopped in his car he threw aaron in the car
so aaron wouldn't be found
that would kinda be cool
omg i cant wait
@steel valve who are you
Stop
Can't though it doesn't feel right
They are
Just stop
No
I wasnāt
You literally make alt-cusations towards anyone who speaks
To be fair neighbor guest theories are like mephisto theories on WandaVision. Both have a lot of evidence but may be misdrects
devs: teasing us with hints that Neighbor is Guest
also devs: literally showing Neighbor in Guest's costume
community: i think Neighbor is not Guest
Also Devs: saying the guest is a mystery yet they're showing who it is
No not Diane
We're talking about Mrs. Esposito
Keyart doesnt = reality
What if there are two petersons
You never see NFT with guest
Because NFT is m i s s i n g
just added on to the soundtrack neighbor guest proof
The Den: Allow me to introduce myself.

Den
Hello Guest Part 2
Or Alpha 2 or Chapter 2 or whatever the hell you wanna call it
Possibly
Or it could be a prequel we don't know yet
Den is Rumble on the Mill
This is a screenshot from den
There's either multiple guests, multiple neighbors, or guest is neighbor
we dont know that
for all we know den could just be act 1 house 
It's probable
multiple neighbors
ummmm
what even happen
he created thing that spawns t-pose Neighbors
you can see he holds it
ye imma just go to the guest world really quick
oh i didn't realize that you were here
she is mentionned. She died apperantly
brave wouldn't box spam if her mom didn't die
hmm yes
Mandalorian Brave Parody š³
no
The Box-Spammer
Alright so
How do you think time travels works in hn
Devices probably
We've seen from puzzle master that it could exist
Or something like that
me still havent read the book
just waiting to get spoiled
Oh read it then
Pre-Alpha man
Do you think Ike smelled of peppermint at his funeral
I have a question what was the year in secret neighbour
1 month
2
Didn't Nikita say 1?
no he said 2
Oh ok
Hello
The guest is 100% Aaron
I've been doing research for days
Just uncovering different clues
Guest sure likes fire
Pretty specific chalk drawing of Aaron to have on the wall
The fire costume
Still not convinced?
What about the golden apple the Guest carries in his beak
Aaron mentions in the books how he loved golden apples
Doesn't seem that farfetched
Also
the Guest and Neighbor are polar opposites
Neighbor has a basement
Guest an attic
Not only that
But Guest locks neighbor in the Attic
and Neighbor locks Aaron (The Guest...?) in the basement
Alrighty
I see
Could have easily been for testing
But I see what you mean
Why would his body proportions suddenly change when he's in the attic?
Why would he be locked in the attic?
These are the questions I need answers to
Thats the thing
If this guy isnt actually part of the game
Thats where the bad side theory comes in
Which i talked about in the image i sent
The neighbor ran an amusement park based around it
Also i think the attic represents the neighbor locking the good side of him in the top of his head
Hmm
We dont see the attic anywhere else except hn2a1 and hn2a1.5
In the alpha 2 teaser we got its not even there
And that takes place in real life
Look at where the attic usually is
I think hn2 will take place during different time periods
It most definitely will
Mhm
Its gonna be a big game
I am extremely excited
Possibly act 1 of hn1, then after act 2 (this teaser part and main section) then after act 3 (whatever that will be)
Oh wait Gavin
you have a good point with the neighbor theory
The Aaron sketch is specifically inside of the jail cell kinda thing
Kinda weird
Image im talking about
When i discussed the good side bad side theory
Theres another one that was used for the shocktober stream
It was the opposite of this
Mirrored, red light, fire behind door
What's with the Vandal shoes?
They exist idk
Placeholder?
Hmm
I think the door is the pathway between neighbors good and bad side
Hmm
Or guest world
And thats why the guest is there
But how does the guest have insane athletic ability?
All the neighbor could do was jump
I think the current alphas take place in guest world
Its a location not in reality
Hmm
Which is why we see what we see
Child becoming neighbor,
Missing poster showing when kids go missing, etc
Or guest world is Quentins imagination
Or that
Yeah
Yes
He kicked over the sign nervously and got scared from a wooden bird
Maybe the player character will always have some type of like thing
Well if a certain theory is correct, quentin is more than just a journalist
Considering his possible alias can see the future
Nicky had bad PTSD
Mhm
Most characters suffered from something
Aaron suffered from thinking he was a bad omen even before any of his family died
Nicky had ptsd
Mhm
I mean he wasn't even an omen
Neighbor is just a broken man]
Quentin was possibly presumed dead for a good 30 years if im correct
Really?
Perhaps maybe once he got the device he used it to shift the luck but ended up giving bad luck
Could explain why he's omen
Well considering hes most likely norman darby
Yeah
I see
Same with mith
Considering norman is a reporter/journalist with a baseball cap, messy hair, glasses, windbreaker jacket, and long pants
I need to read the books more
Also hga1 quentin seems to act differently from hn2 quentin
Mhm
Yeah I mean they're
He doesn't get anxiety attacks
Different jobs and such
In renders and cutscenes hn2 quentin seems to be serious about his job and is professional
Perhaps he becomes a reporter later but idk
But in hga1 he acts like a coward
Then again he could be a delusional maniac
Maybe something happened between hn2ās events and the hg part of hn2ās events
Cuz he is probably hallucinating hello neighbor 2 alpha 1-1.5
I see

You mean mith?
Yeah he's either the Cleave guy from book 5 or neighbor fake. Or he just exists doing nothing idk
The most weāve seen him do was in the full hg alpha 1 ending (not accessible without cheats/files)
I think I was the first to document the 2nd location
Where he fought the guest
After beatrix knocked him back or quentin was grabbed when he reached for them in the ending
People called it hg alpha 2 intro
Oh
With how it was meant to go
Any of you seen this?
Mhm
Not many people know of the roof spot
And again in the menu when you beat hn2 alpha 1
Hes near a car in a spot in hello guest
Mhm
He's just kind of there
He plays a much bigger role then we might probably think
but we'll have to wait and see
Oh yeah hes also in secret neighbor too
Yeah hes an easter egg outside map uhh 1 or 2
I see
He doesn't get beaten up lol she just stands thee
She defends herself
Yeah that doesn't mean mith gets beat by her lol
Also MIH is in secret neighbor film reels too
One shows him going up to quentin im pretty sure
Hmm
Hes also the person choosing the player in the hello guest new game area
Yeah you can see his arms
Is he trying to hunt you down?
Idk
Hes either choosing who to stalk or choosing who to hire
But idk if hes hiring only one because
Beatrixs cutscenes take place after quentinās
I feel like Beatrix is the main character in Hello Guest
The sign on the entrance already fell and the pile of junk quentin moved in the ending is already moved
and Quentin is the main character in HN2
Hg is a part of hn2
I know but what I'm saying is Beatrix works a shift at the golden apple park
and Quentin tries to uncover the secrets of the guest
I think quentin trying to find out about the guest leads him to the park later on
Where the neighbor in the books goes to steal his own electronics
I see
I didnt even know the park was outside raven brooks until hello guest alpha 1
Quentin passes the gas station and welcome sign from hn1
Then takes a turn into the park
I like the nice touch of having the amusement park and factory really close in HN2
Good continuity
Well if hga1 is correct
The park is on the opposite side of the town
From the factory
Since the raven brooks exit is way south of the neighbor house while the factory is way north of it
no
Name a better option
ike
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who wants to hear a glitch on the hello neighbour alpha demo?
k
go on
@tribal talon but put in #hello-neighbor
ok
il tell u on it
Your old theory doesn't work also it being someone new kind of ruins the whole point of theorizing about him
Quentin is 60 then by your logic
Everyone here keeps talking about age even those that doesn't even matter
Exactly, age matters 
Since when?
Always
It doesn't lol
Aaron's age keeps changing for some reason(even with timelines Aaron having his age changed doesn't make much sense)
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"age doesn't matter"
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If age doesn't matter Aaron can be Guest
Aaron being guest is still a possibility lel
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Hes a kid 
I'm talking about age as in
He's a big boy now
Not even
Too old doesn't make sense
It does
Saying someone is too old to be someone sounds stupid
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Quentin if he is Darby would be around 60
Do 60 year olds work or do jobs like these still? No he's still a journalist
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Retirement
Is Quentin retired? No
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So age doesn't matter as much as you think
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in some cases yeah but saying someone is too old to be a character doesn't make sense

Can we stop using this stupid
for literally every message

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My house totally collapsed and hung lights and built a conveyor belt in a day
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I'm gonna make a theory for Aaron Guest
Oh no
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Going to try and gather whatever evidence they have
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Copy paste time
oddly specific in alpha 1 how they decided to put a drawing of Aaron fire from set 3, and not Aaron from another set
You already talked about this
More evidence time-
Most obvious is the golden apple in the beak
That has nothing to do with aaron
He said he loved golden apples
Aaron disliked golden apples after he tried one
he would stay up for days when he ate one
Also note that some music that is related to the guest also has the neighborās theme in it
Hn2 music
not every 60 year old retires..
Dwern
Some don't, most do
Okay
So I have not been following the lire
Lore*
Since like
The first game
Explain whomst happened and why please thank you
||Long time ago there was the Tavish family, an Uber rich family full of money. The next part is my own assumption of the timeline(s). They find Gammy Flo, a person who had accidentally made Golden Apples (a candy), and gave her a bunch of money to start the Golden Apple Corporation, a company that mass produces Golden Apples. Eventually the observatory and these "devices" are made, that are able to manipulate people's luck, and possibly more. A cult has also formed around people who use these devices, called the Forest Protectors, who bring feathered costumes to the observatory to manipulate the luck, this is called a ritual. the 1960s we have 2 important people, Norman Darby, a reporter, and Gordon Cleave, his boss. It's presumed afterward that Norman Darby is dead. Fast forward again and we come to Theodore Peterson's (The Neighbor) grandparents, graduates from university who came to Raven Brooks to investigate it's weird weather in the weather station (Mayak). They manage to excavate a device and presumably use it to study the storms, but end up discovering too much of Tavish property that they end up being arrested. They then proceed to bury the devices in the ground hoping no one discovers them again. Childhood friend of Ted (Theodore) Ike does discover them though and stores the pieces in his wallet.||
This is only the first few parts
There's still a lot more
They aren't in the books
Other then birds
Imbir just kind of exists
I'm so lost on the hello neighbor story I haven't been interested in it since half way through the second book
Can someone fill me in
Is ther any good video to watch to get into the Lore ?
or anything to get into the lore
thats sad but are there othere ways to get into it ?
The books
Yes the books
ok tahnks š
Guys i Just developed a pretty cool theory, Just hear ne out
So what if the guest is in fact a criture and neighbor sumoned him and guest is making weird noises and he also does not run like a normal human which leads that neighbor didn't sumon him bi acsident and in the alpha 2 teaser he is leaving but he is like angri not scared cuz he would probably be scared of the guest but he sems suspicius about all and his plan is actualy much bigger
Which is to rewind time to prevent Diane and Mya from diing and it has something to do with mayak:thumbsup-1:
Gonna have to call Gavin
What
Rewinding time to prevent diane or myas death would break the franchise
Also the way the guest runs is like how the neighbor runs in the act 1 basement, so he does run like a human

you can't rewind time. Only accept events and move on from them or become stuck reliving an endless cycle of hurtful visions
Do you guys think "how's your weather" at the end of alpha 1.5 is referring to the storm or the weird weather in raven brooks
Also if they time travelled to bring back diane that would mean theyād have no reason to time travel since she wouldve never died and that means she wouldnt be brought back so that would cause a paradox
Trust me i have an entire essay on the first back to the future movie if marty failed
Impressive
Depends on how time travel works
if it works in a paradox then she would always be dead
because if she isn't dead they wouldn't go back in time to save her
it would also break time
Well thats probably how multiple timelines would be created
If he failed then he wouldnt exist to ruin lorainne and georgeās relationship
And a paradox would happen
Its gonna be like the flash where Barry is at one spot 8 different times
Plus I'm pretty sure Mya and Diane's death are fixed points
Yeah those are like the main reasons hn is even a thing
Yeah if it exists it will probably work like
I mean id like to see diane but bringing her back is a dumb idea
like with HL:A
Something happens so you decide to go back in time but you made the decision to go back in time in the first place
so you never prevented anything
Also if theres any time travelling its probably going forward in time
Because future you is already doing things
With darby
I like the idea that Darby is from the future but
No no i like to think that
In the timespan he was missing
He accidentally got sucked into one of those wormhole things from reset day
Bringing back dead people just makes it meaningless
And most likely was sent forward in time
Perhaps he went back in time to prevent the hurricane
So technically heād experience hn2ās events before book 6ās events
What if the device had so much bad luck it created the hurricane
I doubt theres rewinding time
And then Darby goes back in time and he tries to prevent it
I mean there's time travel in the Titanic too
theory
Matpat is ....no
of course ZPEFM does
to any other possible theories
he's probably only good with FNaF
Meh
the hurricane is natural
His fnaf ones arent great either
Its interesting though
it's not from the device likely 
The weather devices would need to be a bigger part of the story then
So that would give them a greater purpose
time travel
and they might appear in hn2
but i doubt
they've already appeared in the pilots
pilot*
so they might appear again
Well seems like they're gonna have a bigger purpose
depending on the script
and time travel can mess up a lot of stuff
and the script depends if Alex will stop rewriting it
The mayak explaining all the stuff eventually
idk show seems kind of crap so idk how far he'll go
how do we know if thats not what mayak is
What
time travel and stuff
What
How do we know time travel isn't what mayak will do
What does that have to do with anything
time travel could just be what mayak is
show hasnt even started
All we know is that it will explain the inconsistencies eventually
that was just a pilot 
A pilot is still apart of the show
Its a test pilot
and what networks are gonna use to judge it

Yeah well guess what
The entire thing is gonna change
That's what networks and stuff are probably going to use to judge it
if its worthy
also please stop using this stupid emote for everything
no 
Can we not
It is
talk neighbor guest for once
Because NFT isn't in it
Its the good and bad side f the neighbor
Yes we know
š Yes we get it heard this like 12 times already
I love how you guys have interpretations of stuff but if someone else has it then its wrong
well for something like a retcon ...yeah ...haha no
what
Sofa beside door with that certain wallpaper and paintings above the sofa, along with a blue carpet
some say the differences why everything is different is because it's a retcon
Gee this seems familiar
Yeah and they would be right to believe that lol
if they thought stuff was being retconned
Why would they retcon dianeās death to almost half a year later
not without explaining my inconsistencies with retcons
Thatās not a concept art
It's keyart
Also the orange one resembles act 1 living room if you pay attention
Nft is 2. Neighbor, so much
Look at the wallpaper, the sofa and carpet placement, the door placement, etc
I thought u were referencing that
Well from what I see
None of the keyart even disproves anything anymore
I can act high if you want
The images are essentially misdirecting
The game is
Do you not see a common a theme in these images
The game is trying to get people to believe the guest isnāt the neighbor
mean more attar
While leaving hints that smart people would find
They all show the neighbor and then the guest behind him or a shadow of him
To prove neighbor guest
look at the pitchfork one this one
And
bad res.
trying to make people believe that they're 2 different people
I'll try getting a higher res sometime
no one cares
Just noticed the keys the neighbor is holding changes
I do 
Nft is old neighbor?
Yes
The full game at least
And the neighbor drove away after act 2
Probably went missing
this is nft?
If you don't believe, look for a face
I just said they werent
Perhaps one is from the future
Maybe %50-60
or from a different time period
Perhaps the neighbor becomes guest for a certain time period and not forever
isn't it in guest world
hold on
Yes
guest world / imagination
I'm pretty sure Guest world is the map
Its not reality
well its Quentin's perception perhaps
How would quentin know the neighbor was in the guestās attic
We never even see the guest lock up the neighbor in that build
The build focuses on the 3 kids
because alpha 1.5 is after I'm pretty sure
Not the neighbor
No it isnt
Its a direct update to alpha 1
The story changed
Does that mean nft isn't guest anymore???
It starts out the exact same with quentin pulling up in his sick ride
shit ZPEFM deleted his theory
Maybe heās doc brown and has invented the flux capacitor and is trying to fix this mess that they call lore

So why delete it
Mr.Petterson
Nice they couldn't even get his name right
Mr.Petterson is guest guys
I wouldnt trust something that says āPettersonā
not mr.peterson
Yeah I don't know how tB screwed up his name
It's literally on the official trailer desc.
Quinten
They don't know jackshit about there lore it seems
That's why you have Alex posting neighbor teasers
VIDO
šāāļø š
Stop
Everyone: theodore masters peterson
we too: wilson
Me: Wilson Theodore Masters Peterson
Why did he got permission to post neighbor guest wha
Then why post it lol
So they could post it early on and then act like they changed the game half a year later to make people disbelieve neighbor guest
its bad storytelling to reveal your antagonist and then back peddle and pretend it doesnt exist

Spoils the antagonist
I just said they arenāt
That's more speculation
Alpha 1.5 is imagination
You donāt see the guest and the neighbor in reality vibing beside each other
thats why its called a theory
Wait, what if rotm has 2 guests and one of them is nft and the other one is guest????
What the heck does nft mean
maybe because the identity of guest isn't important 
Yeah im sure a missing poster of kids showing up as soon as they get grabbed along with a child becoming theodore is in real life
Omg why do people always expect 1 theory to solve everything
Obviously there's some problems with neighbor guest
But 1 thing doesn't disprove the entirety of something depending on how big it is
Its the guest theory with the most evidence right now, so thats why im sticking with it
Yeah that's the thing. People always look at what the theory is not what it says
Exactly
"theory"
I call it Wilson theodore peterson for short
I have tons of stuff and people ignore it
It's not if a theory is 100 percent correct but stuff it says
sure you may not believe neighbor guest but you can at least see what it says about
symbolism and stuff
You need to get ideas out of theories. Not just answers
Anyways
Low quality 
Your mom
is a nice lady
Wasn't it just place holder textures and models for alpha 2 lol
What
Music theory isnt speculative
Alpha 1.5
Its the most solid theory on the list
I wonder if there is any information about the neighbor's grandfather
Everything else is based on circumstantial evidence
It canāt be disproven, none of it is speculative
The neighborās theme is the neighborās theme
The main point is that we don't know if its intentional or not
And it plays around the guest sometimes, and the guest theme plays around the neighbor sometimes.
Yeah it was always obvious
what
Yeah because its not circumstantial
how
You canāt disprove the neighborās theme playing when the guest is around
music confirms something, not speculation
It depends if it was intentional otherwise it can be used
Heck the pulling music is literally the neighborās theme sped up
Oh itās intentional
The neighborās theme is still the alpha 3 theme
but the guest stuff being labelled as neighbor wasn't
Its used when the neighbor does stuff
Nicky has his own theme too
Heck, aaron and mya have their own theme
I think a lot of stuff we speculate is stuff we think Nikita has put huge hidden meaning but for stuff he may not have
do you have any information? Or grandmother.
doesnt mean they cant reuse it
Therefore it isnt gone
Honestly what I really what to know what was the original plot to hello neighbour before it turned it to this mess
they'll tell u eventually
Its used when nicky remembers theodore in act 3, used when theodore closes the gate, used when the guest locks the attic,
Cutscenes are a thing
its ingame 
The neighborās theme is also used in hide and seek
I thought neighbor's theme was the chase music š
The leitmotif for the neighbor
It only appeared in alpha 3 In the game files in the final game and in hide and seeks trailer
no its the act 2 ending theme I believe
For the neighborās theme
oh my god please stop the neighbor guest argument
Its also used in hello neighbor 2
it occurs every time a scene revolves around Ted, so
In cafe run intense, alpha 1.5 intro, pulling music
brb audacity time
When nicky walks to the broken house remembering theodore
When nicky sees the thing
When theodore shuts the gate in act 2
Why are they reusing songs???
because leitmotif
it's to help show something
Andew isn't making much sense
star wars has leitmotifs for its characters
a good example is Portal 2/Undertale
yes Prowler has one in into the spiderverse
hold on im sending the slowed down version of pulling
i have no idea what i did to it tho
Nah guys, the neighbor's theme is quentin's theme since he's young neighbor š
Beatrix
Thunder stop
then whats the point of lore discussion
if we're just gonna have to wait for answers
Thats called theorizing thunder
Yeah but you're just saying
We have to wait for everything
mayak will explain everything. Obviously it will since its a plot device for the retcons and stuff
Ok: being polite to get angry and dont say something ok: with calm and genuine kindness
Why is a bird-
mecit moment
Ok
The thing is the guest
Is his head like that or they stretched it
I'm faded from aaron
Its like that
Its the guest peek anim too
Since the top left says visitorbehaviorpeep
Why do you want to kill aaron
What
NFT is visitor, and the guest is another person, boom lore solved š
?
š³
Visitor and Guest are 2 different people aka buff and nft 
Cleave is the 2nd guest confirmed? idhfjsdhdsjfhdsjfsd
Jk that theory died a long time ago
because it is known who the guest really is and he says he is a aaron. and he says nft is aaron
In rotm, there are 3 guests
what
"3 AIs top down"
yeah
but I'm not serious about killing
Because people wont listen and decide to use builds from 2019 to try and disprove it
tinyBuild is a people
aaron escaped and the neighbor put on a crow costume to find him
meanwhile the screenshots are even newer than those builds and people say they arent canon

logic 100
I mean NFTeaser who has the guest outfit looks kind of like nft
Iām not obsessed youāre just wrong š
The screenshots are from january 2021 
and i think aaron is mayak
People said I was obsessed with Cleave
Aaron is mayak what
Not really but ok
aaron somewhere in mayak
How is that being obsessed?
from last month???
And its true. There's no other better antagonist
wow that means theyre eVEN MORE CANON
Do you want proof that aaron is a guest?
Nicky is Leon confirmed
can we get back to lore plskthx
Ok so
I have pictures of the guest unmasked
its just you being like Neighbor guest or neck snap
Proof:....
Nice proof
The neighbor grumbling on the mill
Trouble on the mill
what about rumble on the bill
"28 Nov-19" 
Because there is no information from the producer
And
You forgot the - and 20:46 mhm
Again talking about who is Guest?
Yes
Wait
Like always 
Waiit
but why
Red Guest when
Because people wont listen thats why
I found
You know you don't have to convert everyone to nft-ism
They'll see it eventually when the guest is unmasked
i found something
Hello neighbor 2 ending is looking great
Can i say something about Aaron from hello neighbor
no
No it's cute
Yes

m
?
yes
I would agree, not in a weird way tho
He gives me brother vibes
N i c e
thund3r thats not very lore
it is technically
what if I'm calculating the number of pixels for kilm
to determine the timeline in which HS takes place

If the teasers of 2019 come out in the game, the bubble inside me will finally burst
Because if this balloon remains any longer, me I will burst, not a balloon
Because theres way more proving he is the guest
Than stuff from builds from early 2019 ādisprovingā it
I mean yeah lore discussion isn't exactly that good but
The point is that no theory is perfect
For neighbor guest it's just the one with most evidence
Unless other theories get more evidence neighbor guest is the one most people believe
Guest Neighbor theory is yes

Theory with most evidence too
Theory that was not a theory from the beginning because devs literally showed Neighbor in Guest's costume before all this shit happened
The thing is tho that's all old and devs haven't confirmed it's still offical š³
Its newer than when hn2 alpha 1, hg alpha 1, and hn2 alpha 1.5 started development im pretty sure
So not that old
And yes, it is official
Why wouldnāt it be
Its more relevant than the builds we have so far
Like it could just be a scrapped concept like hg chapter 2
Are you saying hg is scrapped
What makes you think itās scrapped
Because it was changed to HN2 alpha 1
We donāt need to have the build for it to be not scrapped
Also they wouldnāt just show neighbor guest then scrap it
Like who else are they gonna make the guest, a new guy with no purpose in the lore?
That would be dumb
Idk, I don't think Neighbor guest is impossible, but I feel like it's just a scrapped thing, and if they wanted to keep the Guests identity secret they wouldn't show the face test stuff
Thereās no reason to say itās scrapped
Its one of the newest things we have
Related to hn2
Besides alpha 2
Hgp was released around the face test, yes,
But not developed
Same with hn2a1, hga1, etc
I'm confused