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versed yacht
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Eh true

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Idk tho

heavy monolith
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Mm yes kid friendly, a grown man trapping 3 kids and starving them in an attic

versed yacht
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It doesn't feel like they would just off him

wicked heath
icy zenith
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Well we don't know when the house burned. We know it's after act and before act 3

gray dome
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after act 2 and before act 3 Moustacheless

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duh

icy zenith
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No shit sherlock

versed yacht
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Cuz she is never mentioned at all

icy zenith
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She is

steel raptor
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Yea she died in a caqr accident with the nieghbor

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car*

steel valve
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it could be possible but i doubt it

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imagine

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when the neighbor drives away at the end of the alpha 3 trailer

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when he hopped in his car he threw aaron in the car

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so aaron wouldn't be found

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that would kinda be cool

steel raptor
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omg i cant wait

icy zenith
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@steel valve who are you

heavy monolith
icy zenith
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Can't though it doesn't feel right

heavy monolith
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Hes not new

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None of your alt predictions are right

icy zenith
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They are

heavy monolith
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Just stop

icy zenith
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says the one who made an alt on the hn discord

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yesterday

heavy monolith
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What

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I was in a vc with one of the people who made an alt there

icy zenith
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hm

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but you were one of them

heavy monolith
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I wasn’t

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You literally make alt-cusations towards anyone who speaks

icy zenith
tribal talon
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devs: teasing us with hints that Neighbor is Guest
also devs: literally showing Neighbor in Guest's costume
community: i think Neighbor is not Guest

icy zenith
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Also Devs: saying the guest is a mystery yet they're showing who it is

tribal talon
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We're talking about Mrs. Esposito

gray dome
tribal talon
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You never see NFT with guest

gray dome
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Because NFT is m i s s i n g

heavy monolith
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just added on to the soundtrack neighbor guest proof

tribal talon
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The Den: Allow me to introduce myself.

gray dome
tribal talon
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Den

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Hello Guest Part 2

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Or Alpha 2 or Chapter 2 or whatever the hell you wanna call it

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Possibly

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Or it could be a prequel we don't know yet

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Den is Rumble on the Mill

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This is a screenshot from den

heavy monolith
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neighbor

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also top left of full image

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"visitor peeping"

tribal talon
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There's either multiple guests, multiple neighbors, or guest is neighbor

gray dome
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for all we know den could just be act 1 house Moustacheless

tribal talon
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It's probable

storm salmon
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ummmm

storm salmon
tribal talon
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you can see he holds it

storm salmon
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o

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oh god

tribal talon
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don't ask

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vgn in a nutshell

storm salmon
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ye imma just go to the guest world really quick

tribal talon
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Finally a visitor

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To Guest World

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I've been trapped here for 14 years

storm salmon
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oh i didn't realize that you were here

wicked heath
echo bane
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brave wouldn't box spam if her mom didn't die

storm salmon
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hmm yes

versed yacht
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Mandalorian Brave Parody 😳

wicked heath
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no

versed yacht
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The Box-Spammer

icy zenith
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Alright so

versed yacht
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😳

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Lore discussing time 😳

icy zenith
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How do you think time travels works in hn

versed yacht
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Devices probably

icy zenith
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We've seen from puzzle master that it could exist

versed yacht
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Or something like that

wicked heath
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just waiting to get spoiled

icy zenith
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Oh read it then

versed yacht
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I'm reading it I'm not very far into it

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Ik most of the stuff tho

icy zenith
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There's a revelation at the end

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Do you know who the puzzle master is yet

wicked heath
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Pre-Alpha man

versed yacht
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😳

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Yes

agile hare
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Nah mate

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It's unused alpha 1 player

tribal talon
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Do you think Ike smelled of peppermint at his funeral

noble kettle
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I have a question what was the year in secret neighbour

gray dome
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roughly 1996

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possibly 1997

heavy monolith
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1996

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nicky escaped in 1996 but got captured that same year

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2 months

versed yacht
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1 month

gray dome
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2

versed yacht
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Didn't Nikita say 1?

gray dome
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no he said 2

versed yacht
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Oh ok

steep axle
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Hello

steep axle
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I've been doing research for days

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Just uncovering different clues

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Guest sure likes fire

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Pretty specific chalk drawing of Aaron to have on the wall

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The fire costume

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Still not convinced?

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What about the golden apple the Guest carries in his beak

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Aaron mentions in the books how he loved golden apples

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Doesn't seem that farfetched

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Also

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the Guest and Neighbor are polar opposites

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Neighbor has a basement

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Guest an attic

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Not only that

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But Guest locks neighbor in the Attic

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and Neighbor locks Aaron (The Guest...?) in the basement

heavy monolith
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Nah

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Wanna hear my paragraphs on why the guest can be the neighbor

steep axle
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The Neighbors body shape doesn't add up to the guests

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But sure

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Hit me with it

heavy monolith
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Alrighty

steep axle
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I'm honestly interested

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I've been researching this for a while now

heavy monolith
steep axle
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Hmm

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Interesting

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Let me think about this for a bit

heavy monolith
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Also theres a neighbor with guest proportions

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This dude

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Hes in the files

steep axle
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I see

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Could have easily been for testing

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But I see what you mean

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Why would his body proportions suddenly change when he's in the attic?

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Why would he be locked in the attic?

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These are the questions I need answers to

heavy monolith
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Thats the thing

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If this guy isnt actually part of the game

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Thats where the bad side theory comes in

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Which i talked about in the image i sent

steep axle
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Hmm

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But why would he have a golden apple in his beak?

heavy monolith
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The neighbor ran an amusement park based around it

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Also i think the attic represents the neighbor locking the good side of him in the top of his head

steep axle
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Hmm

heavy monolith
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We dont see the attic anywhere else except hn2a1 and hn2a1.5

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In the alpha 2 teaser we got its not even there

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And that takes place in real life

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Look at where the attic usually is

icy zenith
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I think hn2 will take place during different time periods

heavy monolith
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It most definitely will

steep axle
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Mhm

heavy monolith
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Its gonna be a big game

steep axle
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I am extremely excited

heavy monolith
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Possibly act 1 of hn1, then after act 2 (this teaser part and main section) then after act 3 (whatever that will be)

steep axle
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Oh wait Gavin

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you have a good point with the neighbor theory

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The Aaron sketch is specifically inside of the jail cell kinda thing

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Kinda weird

heavy monolith
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Image im talking about

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When i discussed the good side bad side theory

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Theres another one that was used for the shocktober stream

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It was the opposite of this

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Mirrored, red light, fire behind door

steep axle
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What's with the Vandal shoes?

heavy monolith
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They exist idk

icy zenith
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Placeholder?

steep axle
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Hmm

heavy monolith
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I think the door is the pathway between neighbors good and bad side

steep axle
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Hmm

icy zenith
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Or guest world

heavy monolith
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And thats why the guest is there

steep axle
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But how does the guest have insane athletic ability?

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All the neighbor could do was jump

heavy monolith
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I think the current alphas take place in guest world

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Its a location not in reality

steep axle
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Hmm

heavy monolith
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Which is why we see what we see

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Child becoming neighbor,

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Missing poster showing when kids go missing, etc

icy zenith
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Or guest world is Quentins imagination

heavy monolith
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Or that

steep axle
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Yea

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In Hello Guest didn't Quentin have extreme anxiety?

heavy monolith
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Yeah

icy zenith
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Yes

steep axle
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That could be it

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Hallucinations

heavy monolith
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He kicked over the sign nervously and got scared from a wooden bird

steep axle
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Maybe the player character will always have some type of like thing

heavy monolith
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Well if a certain theory is correct, quentin is more than just a journalist

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Considering his possible alias can see the future

steep axle
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Nicky had bad PTSD

icy zenith
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Yes

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And another character might also explain someone else

steep axle
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that he eventually got over in the end

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and now Quentin has extreme anxiety

steep axle
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Most characters suffered from something

heavy monolith
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Aaron suffered from thinking he was a bad omen even before any of his family died

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Nicky had ptsd

steep axle
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Mhm

icy zenith
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I mean he wasn't even an omen

steep axle
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Neighbor is just a broken man]

heavy monolith
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Quentin was possibly presumed dead for a good 30 years if im correct

icy zenith
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Perhaps maybe once he got the device he used it to shift the luck but ended up giving bad luck

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Could explain why he's omen

heavy monolith
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Well considering hes most likely norman darby

icy zenith
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Yeah

steep axle
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I see

icy zenith
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Same with mith

heavy monolith
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Considering norman is a reporter/journalist with a baseball cap, messy hair, glasses, windbreaker jacket, and long pants

steep axle
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Hello Neighbor doesn't pull coincidences a lot of the time

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isn't farfetched

icy zenith
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Yeah

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Same with man in hat being either Gordon Cleave from the books or neighbor fake

steep axle
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I need to read the books more

heavy monolith
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Also hga1 quentin seems to act differently from hn2 quentin

steep axle
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Mhm

icy zenith
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Yeah I mean they're

steep axle
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He doesn't get anxiety attacks

icy zenith
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Different jobs and such

heavy monolith
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In renders and cutscenes hn2 quentin seems to be serious about his job and is professional

icy zenith
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Perhaps he becomes a reporter later but idk

heavy monolith
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But in hga1 he acts like a coward

steep axle
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Then again he could be a delusional maniac

heavy monolith
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Maybe something happened between hn2’s events and the hg part of hn2’s events

steep axle
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Cuz he is probably hallucinating hello neighbor 2 alpha 1-1.5

heavy monolith
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I mean his fingers in hg are bonier

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And he has cuts

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More notable cuts

steep axle
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I see

icy zenith
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@heavy monolith @heavy monolith

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Oops

heavy monolith
steep axle
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I have questions about the detective as well

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what's up with him

icy zenith
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You mean mith?

heavy monolith
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The hat dude

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He kinda just

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Vibes

steep axle
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I see

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I know 2 locations of where he is at

icy zenith
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Yeah he's either the Cleave guy from book 5 or neighbor fake. Or he just exists doing nothing idk

heavy monolith
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The most we’ve seen him do was in the full hg alpha 1 ending (not accessible without cheats/files)

steep axle
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I think I was the first to document the 2nd location

heavy monolith
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Where he fought the guest

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After beatrix knocked him back or quentin was grabbed when he reached for them in the ending

icy zenith
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Can you send it

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I never saw Beatrix beat him up

heavy monolith
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Just search up ā€œhello guest alpha 2 introā€

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Youll find it

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On youtube

icy zenith
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Alpha 2?

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What

heavy monolith
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People called it hg alpha 2 intro

icy zenith
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Oh

heavy monolith
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Youll see the alpha 1 ending

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But extended

steep axle
heavy monolith
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With how it was meant to go

steep axle
heavy monolith
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Yes

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Hes in both the roof and funicular

steep axle
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Mhm

heavy monolith
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And in hn2 alpha 1 hes in the ending

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At the telephone pole

steep axle
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Not many people know of the roof spot

heavy monolith
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And again in the menu when you beat hn2 alpha 1

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Hes near a car in a spot in hello guest

steep axle
heavy monolith
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Then again in the hello guest intro

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And the hello guest ending

steep axle
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He's just kind of there

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He plays a much bigger role then we might probably think

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but we'll have to wait and see

heavy monolith
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Oh yeah hes also in secret neighbor too

steep axle
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Really?

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Haven't played that game in a long time

heavy monolith
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Yeah hes an easter egg outside map uhh 1 or 2

steep axle
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I see

heavy monolith
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You can find him in a bush

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And his car somewhere else

icy zenith
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He doesn't get beaten up lol she just stands thee

heavy monolith
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She defends herself

icy zenith
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Yeah that doesn't mean mith gets beat by her lol

heavy monolith
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Also MIH is in secret neighbor film reels too

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One shows him going up to quentin im pretty sure

steep axle
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Hmm

heavy monolith
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Hes also the person choosing the player in the hello guest new game area

steep axle
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Huh

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I never thought about who held the resumes

heavy monolith
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Yeah you can see his arms

steep axle
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Is he trying to hunt you down?

heavy monolith
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Idk

steep axle
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Cuz I mean he's holding 2 documents of the main characters

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Could be possible

heavy monolith
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Hes either choosing who to stalk or choosing who to hire

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But idk if hes hiring only one because

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Beatrixs cutscenes take place after quentin’s

steep axle
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I feel like Beatrix is the main character in Hello Guest

heavy monolith
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The sign on the entrance already fell and the pile of junk quentin moved in the ending is already moved

steep axle
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and Quentin is the main character in HN2

heavy monolith
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Hg is a part of hn2

steep axle
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I know but what I'm saying is Beatrix works a shift at the golden apple park

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and Quentin tries to uncover the secrets of the guest

heavy monolith
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I think quentin trying to find out about the guest leads him to the park later on

steep axle
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Possibly

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Since then the anxiety wouldn't make sense with Beatrix

heavy monolith
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Where the neighbor in the books goes to steal his own electronics

steep axle
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I see

heavy monolith
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I didnt even know the park was outside raven brooks until hello guest alpha 1

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Quentin passes the gas station and welcome sign from hn1

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Then takes a turn into the park

steep axle
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I like the nice touch of having the amusement park and factory really close in HN2

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Good continuity

heavy monolith
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Well if hga1 is correct

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The park is on the opposite side of the town

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From the factory

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Since the raven brooks exit is way south of the neighbor house while the factory is way north of it

steep axle
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I see

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Alright

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We can speak more tommorow

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I'm gonna head to bed

icy zenith
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Name a better option

heavy monolith
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ike

icy zenith
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🌽

tribal talon
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who wants to hear a glitch on the hello neighbour alpha demo?

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k

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go on

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@tribal talon but put in #hello-neighbor

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ok

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il tell u on it

gray dome
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Book characters too old

icy zenith
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Your old theory doesn't work also it being someone new kind of ruins the whole point of theorizing about him

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Quentin is 60 then by your logic

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Everyone here keeps talking about age even those that doesn't even matter

gray dome
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Exactly, age matters Moustacheless

icy zenith
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Since when?

gray dome
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Always

icy zenith
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It doesn't lol

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Aaron's age keeps changing for some reason(even with timelines Aaron having his age changed doesn't make much sense)

gray dome
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So by this logic Aaron is Guest

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k

icy zenith
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What

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That didn't make any sense but okay

blazing latch
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gray dome
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"age doesn't matter"

steep axle
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I don't really get what you mean

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Maybe Aaron hit puberty?

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Not really sure

blazing latch
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gray dome
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If age doesn't matter Aaron can be Guest

icy zenith
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Aaron being guest is still a possibility lel

blazing latch
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gray dome
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Hes a kid Moustacheless

icy zenith
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I'm talking about age as in

steep axle
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He's a big boy now

icy zenith
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Too old doesn't make sense

gray dome
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It does

icy zenith
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Saying someone is too old to be someone sounds stupid

blazing latch
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icy zenith
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Quentin if he is Darby would be around 60

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Do 60 year olds work or do jobs like these still? No he's still a journalist

blazing latch
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icy zenith
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Is Quentin retired? No

blazing latch
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icy zenith
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So age doesn't matter as much as you think

blazing latch
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icy zenith
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in some cases yeah but saying someone is too old to be a character doesn't make sense

gray dome
icy zenith
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Can we stop using this stupid Moustacheless for literally every message

gray dome
blazing latch
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steep axle
blazing latch
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icy zenith
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I'm gonna make a theory for Aaron Guest

heavy monolith
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Oh no

blazing latch
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icy zenith
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Going to try and gather whatever evidence they have

blazing latch
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gray dome
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Copy paste time

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oddly specific in alpha 1 how they decided to put a drawing of Aaron fire from set 3, and not Aaron from another set

icy zenith
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You already talked about this

gray dome
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More evidence time-

steep axle
heavy monolith
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That has nothing to do with aaron

steep axle
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He said he loved golden apples

heavy monolith
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Aaron disliked golden apples after he tried one

steep axle
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he would stay up for days when he ate one

heavy monolith
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Also note that some music that is related to the guest also has the neighbor’s theme in it

steep axle
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Which neighbor theme?

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The pre alpha one?

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Or just the guitar chase music

gray dome
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Hn2 music

heavy monolith
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The fast part

tribal talon
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not every 60 year old retires..

icy zenith
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Dwern

tribal talon
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what

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snowice why do you keep doing this

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you say my name then disappear

gray dome
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Some don't, most do

sonic chasm
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Okay

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So I have not been following the lire

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Lore*

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Since like

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The first game

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Explain whomst happened and why please thank you

tribal talon
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Are you sure

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It is is really, really, really long

sonic chasm
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Did I stutter

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And please explain

tribal talon
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||Long time ago there was the Tavish family, an Uber rich family full of money. The next part is my own assumption of the timeline(s). They find Gammy Flo, a person who had accidentally made Golden Apples (a candy), and gave her a bunch of money to start the Golden Apple Corporation, a company that mass produces Golden Apples. Eventually the observatory and these "devices" are made, that are able to manipulate people's luck, and possibly more. A cult has also formed around people who use these devices, called the Forest Protectors, who bring feathered costumes to the observatory to manipulate the luck, this is called a ritual. the 1960s we have 2 important people, Norman Darby, a reporter, and Gordon Cleave, his boss. It's presumed afterward that Norman Darby is dead. Fast forward again and we come to Theodore Peterson's (The Neighbor) grandparents, graduates from university who came to Raven Brooks to investigate it's weird weather in the weather station (Mayak). They manage to excavate a device and presumably use it to study the storms, but end up discovering too much of Tavish property that they end up being arrested. They then proceed to bury the devices in the ground hoping no one discovers them again. Childhood friend of Ted (Theodore) Ike does discover them though and stores the pieces in his wallet.||

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This is only the first few parts

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There's still a lot more

sonic chasm
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Okay

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Pretty short read

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Seems intresting

tribal talon
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There's more of it

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A LOT more

sonic chasm
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Okay

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Well

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Who is the cat

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And why they the only other living thing

tribal talon
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They aren't in the books

sonic chasm
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Other then birds

tribal talon
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Imbir just kind of exists

sonic chasm
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I see

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I can allow it

tribal talon
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I'm so lost on the hello neighbor story I haven't been interested in it since half way through the second book

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Can someone fill me in

sick fable
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Is ther any good video to watch to get into the Lore ?

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or anything to get into the lore

heavy monolith
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No

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Not many youtubers go over the lore

sick fable
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thats sad but are there othere ways to get into it ?

tribal talon
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The books

storm salmon
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Yes the books

sick fable
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ok tahnks šŸ‘

onyx mural
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Guys i Just developed a pretty cool theory, Just hear ne out
So what if the guest is in fact a criture and neighbor sumoned him and guest is making weird noises and he also does not run like a normal human which leads that neighbor didn't sumon him bi acsident and in the alpha 2 teaser he is leaving but he is like angri not scared cuz he would probably be scared of the guest but he sems suspicius about all and his plan is actualy much bigger
Which is to rewind time to prevent Diane and Mya from diing and it has something to do with mayak:thumbsup-1:

icy zenith
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Gonna have to call Gavin

heavy monolith
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What

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Rewinding time to prevent diane or myas death would break the franchise

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Also the way the guest runs is like how the neighbor runs in the act 1 basement, so he does run like a human

sonic chasm
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The guest is the neighbours fursona

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Hear that one out

heavy monolith
vernal kraken
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you can't rewind time. Only accept events and move on from them or become stuck reliving an endless cycle of hurtful visions

sonic chasm
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Do you guys think "how's your weather" at the end of alpha 1.5 is referring to the storm or the weird weather in raven brooks

heavy monolith
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Also if they time travelled to bring back diane that would mean they’d have no reason to time travel since she wouldve never died and that means she wouldnt be brought back so that would cause a paradox

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Trust me i have an entire essay on the first back to the future movie if marty failed

sonic chasm
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Impressive

icy zenith
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if it works in a paradox then she would always be dead

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because if she isn't dead they wouldn't go back in time to save her

heavy monolith
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Yeah

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That wouldve happened if marty failed in the first back to the future

icy zenith
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Well thats probably how multiple timelines would be created

heavy monolith
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If he failed then he wouldnt exist to ruin lorainne and george’s relationship

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And a paradox would happen

icy zenith
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Its gonna be like the flash where Barry is at one spot 8 different times

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Plus I'm pretty sure Mya and Diane's death are fixed points

heavy monolith
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Yeah those are like the main reasons hn is even a thing

icy zenith
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Yeah if it exists it will probably work like

gray dome
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or you know

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you could retcon it

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if done right

heavy monolith
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I mean id like to see diane but bringing her back is a dumb idea

gray dome
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like with HL:A

icy zenith
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Something happens so you decide to go back in time but you made the decision to go back in time in the first place

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so you never prevented anything

heavy monolith
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Also if theres any time travelling its probably going forward in time

icy zenith
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Because future you is already doing things

heavy monolith
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With darby

icy zenith
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I like the idea that Darby is from the future but

heavy monolith
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No no i like to think that

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In the timespan he was missing

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He accidentally got sucked into one of those wormhole things from reset day

icy zenith
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Bringing back dead people just makes it meaningless

heavy monolith
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And most likely was sent forward in time

icy zenith
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Perhaps he went back in time to prevent the hurricane

heavy monolith
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So technically he’d experience hn2’s events before book 6’s events

icy zenith
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What if the device had so much bad luck it created the hurricane

heavy monolith
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I doubt theres rewinding time

icy zenith
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And then Darby goes back in time and he tries to prevent it

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I mean there's time travel in the Titanic too

heavy monolith
#

No there isnt

#

Matpat’s just an idiot

icy zenith
#

theory

gray dome
#

Matpat is ....no

icy zenith
#

of course ZPEFM does Moustacheless to any other possible theories

gray dome
#

he's probably only good with FNaF

heavy monolith
#

Meh

gray dome
#

the hurricane is natural

heavy monolith
#

His fnaf ones arent great either

icy zenith
#

Its interesting though

gray dome
#

it's not from the device likely Moustacheless

icy zenith
#

The weather devices would need to be a bigger part of the story then

#

So that would give them a greater purpose

gray dome
#

time travel

heavy monolith
#

They dont need one

gray dome
#

and they might appear in hn2

#

but i doubt

#

they've already appeared in the pilots

#

pilot*

#

so they might appear again

icy zenith
#

Well seems like they're gonna have a bigger purpose

gray dome
#

depending on the script

icy zenith
#

and time travel can mess up a lot of stuff

gray dome
#

and the script depends if Alex will stop rewriting it

heavy monolith
icy zenith
#

idk show seems kind of crap so idk how far he'll go

icy zenith
heavy monolith
#

What

icy zenith
#

time travel and stuff

heavy monolith
#

What

icy zenith
#

How do we know time travel isn't what mayak will do

heavy monolith
#

What does that have to do with anything

icy zenith
#

time travel could just be what mayak is

gray dome
heavy monolith
#

All we know is that it will explain the inconsistencies eventually

gray dome
#

that was just a pilot Moustacheless

icy zenith
#

A pilot is still apart of the show

heavy monolith
#

Its a test pilot

icy zenith
#

and what networks are gonna use to judge it

heavy monolith
icy zenith
#

Yeah well guess what

heavy monolith
#

The entire thing is gonna change

icy zenith
#

That's what networks and stuff are probably going to use to judge it

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if its worthy

#

also please stop using this stupid emote for everything

gray dome
#

no Moustacheless

heavy monolith
#

Fun fact: this is possible neighbor guest proof

icy zenith
#

Can we not

gray dome
#

It is

icy zenith
#

talk neighbor guest for once

gray dome
#

Because NFT isn't in it

heavy monolith
#

Its the good and bad side f the neighbor

icy zenith
#

Yes we know

gray dome
#

And NFT isn't in it because he's missing, as Guest

#

see?

heavy monolith
#

The attic is where the neighbors good side gets locked up, etc

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Aka his head

icy zenith
#

šŸ˜‘ Yes we get it heard this like 12 times already

#

I love how you guys have interpretations of stuff but if someone else has it then its wrong

heavy monolith
#

Just realized

gray dome
#

well for something like a retcon ...yeah ...haha no

icy zenith
#

what

heavy monolith
#

Sofa beside door with that certain wallpaper and paintings above the sofa, along with a blue carpet

gray dome
#

some say the differences why everything is different is because it's a retcon

heavy monolith
#

Gee this seems familiar

icy zenith
#

if they thought stuff was being retconned

heavy monolith
#

Why would they retcon diane’s death to almost half a year later

gray dome
#

not without explaining my inconsistencies with retcons

heavy monolith
#

That’s not a concept art

gray dome
#

It's keyart

heavy monolith
#

Also the orange one resembles act 1 living room if you pay attention

vivid merlin
#

Nft is 2. Neighbor, so much

heavy monolith
#

Look at the wallpaper, the sofa and carpet placement, the door placement, etc

gray dome
icy zenith
#

Well from what I see

heavy monolith
#

None of the keyart even disproves anything anymore

vivid merlin
#

I can act high if you want

icy zenith
#

The images are essentially misdirecting

heavy monolith
icy zenith
#

Do you not see a common a theme in these images

heavy monolith
#

The game is trying to get people to believe the guest isn’t the neighbor

vivid merlin
heavy monolith
#

While leaving hints that smart people would find

icy zenith
#

They all show the neighbor and then the guest behind him or a shadow of him

heavy monolith
#

To prove neighbor guest

icy zenith
#

look at the pitchfork one this one

gray dome
#

And

icy zenith
#

All of these have neighbor then the guest

gray dome
icy zenith
#

trying to make people believe that they're 2 different people

gray dome
#

I'll try getting a higher res sometime

icy zenith
heavy monolith
#

Just noticed the keys the neighbor is holding changes

gray dome
heavy monolith
#

Thats the thing

#

Nft is 19 years after

#

If im correct

icy zenith
#

Nft is old neighbor?

heavy monolith
#

Yes

#

We know this game will have parts after act 3

vivid merlin
heavy monolith
#

The full game at least

#

And the neighbor drove away after act 2

#

Probably went missing

icy zenith
heavy monolith
#

Limbs got thinner over the 19 year period

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Became goose

vivid merlin
#

If you don't believe, look for a face

heavy monolith
#

I just said they werent

icy zenith
#

Perhaps one is from the future

vivid merlin
icy zenith
#

or from a different time period

#

Perhaps the neighbor becomes guest for a certain time period and not forever

heavy monolith
#

Alpha 1.5 isnt real

#

We’ve discussed this

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Its imagination

icy zenith
#

Wait

#

I just realized

#

Book neighbor looks like Nft

gray dome
icy zenith
#

hold on

heavy monolith
#

Yes

gray dome
#

guest world / imagination

icy zenith
#

I'm pretty sure Guest world is the map

heavy monolith
#

Its not reality

icy zenith
#

well its Quentin's perception perhaps

heavy monolith
#

How would quentin know the neighbor was in the guest’s attic

#

We never even see the guest lock up the neighbor in that build

#

The build focuses on the 3 kids

icy zenith
#

because alpha 1.5 is after I'm pretty sure

heavy monolith
#

Not the neighbor

heavy monolith
#

Its a direct update to alpha 1

#

The story changed

whole elbow
heavy monolith
#

It starts out the exact same with quentin pulling up in his sick ride

icy zenith
#

shit ZPEFM deleted his theory

rain owl
#

Maybe he’s doc brown and has invented the flux capacitor and is trying to fix this mess that they call lore

gray dome
#

I'm lazy to update that doc

#

it's outdated

vivid merlin
icy zenith
#

So why delete it

whole elbow
#

Mr.Petterson

icy zenith
#

Nice they couldn't even get his name right

whole elbow
#

Mr.Petterson is guest guys

heavy monolith
#

I wouldnt trust something that says ā€œPettersonā€

whole elbow
#

not mr.peterson

gray dome
#

Yeah I don't know how tB screwed up his name

#

It's literally on the official trailer desc.

whole elbow
#

Quinten

icy zenith
#

They don't know jackshit about there lore it seems

#

That's why you have Alex posting neighbor teasers

#

VIDO

#

šŸƒā€ā™‚ļø šŸš“

heavy monolith
#

Stop

vivid merlin
#

Everyone: theodore masters peterson
we too: wilson
Me: Wilson Theodore Masters Peterson

heavy monolith
#

Also alex got permission from nikita to post those teasers

#

Im pretty sure

whole elbow
#

Why did he got permission to post neighbor guest wha

icy zenith
#

Then why post it lol

heavy monolith
icy zenith
#

its bad storytelling to reveal your antagonist and then back peddle and pretend it doesnt exist

heavy monolith
whole elbow
#

Spoils the antagonist

heavy monolith
#

I just said they aren’t

icy zenith
#

That's more speculation

heavy monolith
#

Alpha 1.5 is imagination

icy zenith
#

Hey guys

#

Theories can have unexplained things

heavy monolith
#

You don’t see the guest and the neighbor in reality vibing beside each other

icy zenith
#

thats why its called a theory

whole elbow
#

Wait, what if rotm has 2 guests and one of them is nft and the other one is guest????

rain owl
#

What the heck does nft mean

gray dome
heavy monolith
#

Yeah im sure a missing poster of kids showing up as soon as they get grabbed along with a child becoming theodore is in real life

icy zenith
#

Omg why do people always expect 1 theory to solve everything

#

Obviously there's some problems with neighbor guest

#

But 1 thing doesn't disprove the entirety of something depending on how big it is

heavy monolith
#

Its the guest theory with the most evidence right now, so thats why im sticking with it

icy zenith
#

Yeah that's the thing. People always look at what the theory is not what it says

heavy monolith
#

Exactly

gray dome
#

"theory"

vivid merlin
#

I call it Wilson theodore peterson for short

heavy monolith
#

I have tons of stuff and people ignore it

icy zenith
#

It's not if a theory is 100 percent correct but stuff it says

#

sure you may not believe neighbor guest but you can at least see what it says about

#

symbolism and stuff

#

You need to get ideas out of theories. Not just answers

#

Anyways

heavy monolith
#

The stuff people ignore

whole elbow
#

Low quality smile

heavy monolith
#

Your mom

whole elbow
#

is a nice lady

sonic chasm
heavy monolith
#

Music theory isnt speculative

sonic chasm
#

Alpha 1.5

heavy monolith
#

Its the most solid theory on the list

vivid merlin
#

I wonder if there is any information about the neighbor's grandfather

icy zenith
#

Everything else is based on circumstantial evidence

heavy monolith
#

It can’t be disproven, none of it is speculative

#

The neighbor’s theme is the neighbor’s theme

icy zenith
#

The main point is that we don't know if its intentional or not

heavy monolith
#

And it plays around the guest sometimes, and the guest theme plays around the neighbor sometimes.

whole elbow
icy zenith
#

what

heavy monolith
#

The music theory is solid proof

#

That part’s basically true

icy zenith
#

Yeah because its not circumstantial

gray dome
#

how

heavy monolith
#

You can’t disprove the neighbor’s theme playing when the guest is around

gray dome
#

music confirms something, not speculation

icy zenith
#

It depends if it was intentional otherwise it can be used

heavy monolith
#

Heck the pulling music is literally the neighbor’s theme sped up

heavy monolith
#

The neighbor’s theme is still the alpha 3 theme

icy zenith
heavy monolith
#

Its used when the neighbor does stuff

#

Nicky has his own theme too

#

Heck, aaron and mya have their own theme

icy zenith
#

I think a lot of stuff we speculate is stuff we think Nikita has put huge hidden meaning but for stuff he may not have

vivid merlin
heavy monolith
#

Im not

#

They used the neighbor theme in the full game

gray dome
#

doesnt mean they cant reuse it

heavy monolith
#

Therefore it isnt gone

rain owl
#

Honestly what I really what to know what was the original plot to hello neighbour before it turned it to this mess

heavy monolith
#

Its used when nicky remembers theodore in act 3, used when theodore closes the gate, used when the guest locks the attic,

#

Cutscenes are a thing

gray dome
#

its ingame Moustacheless

heavy monolith
#

The neighbor’s theme is also used in hide and seek

gray dome
#

act 2 ending, act 3 intro

#

probably more that i dont remember atm

heavy monolith
#

Theres more alright

#

Yes it was

#

Variants of it were used

whole elbow
#

I thought neighbor's theme was the chase music 😐

heavy monolith
#

The leitmotif for the neighbor

rain owl
#

It only appeared in alpha 3 In the game files in the final game and in hide and seeks trailer

gray dome
heavy monolith
icy zenith
#

oh my god please stop the neighbor guest argument

heavy monolith
#

Its also used in hello neighbor 2

gray dome
#

it occurs every time a scene revolves around Ted, so

heavy monolith
#

In cafe run intense, alpha 1.5 intro, pulling music

gray dome
#

brb audacity time

heavy monolith
#

When nicky walks to the broken house remembering theodore

#

When nicky sees the thing

#

When theodore shuts the gate in act 2

whole elbow
#

Why are they reusing songs???

gray dome
#

it's to help show something

icy zenith
#

Andew isn't making much sense

heavy monolith
#

star wars has leitmotifs for its characters

gray dome
#

a good example is Portal 2/Undertale

heavy monolith
#

Like HN

#

Luke’s leitmotif is the main theme

#

Obi wan’s is the force theme

icy zenith
#

yes Prowler has one in into the spiderverse

heavy monolith
#

Black cat has one

#

In spiderman ps4

gray dome
#

hold on im sending the slowed down version of pulling

#

i have no idea what i did to it tho

whole elbow
#

Nah guys, the neighbor's theme is quentin's theme since he's young neighbor šŸ˜Ž

vivid merlin
#

Beatrix

gray dome
icy zenith
heavy monolith
icy zenith
heavy monolith
#

Thunder stop

icy zenith
#

if we're just gonna have to wait for answers

heavy monolith
#

Thats called theorizing thunder

icy zenith
#

Yeah but you're just saying

heavy monolith
#

We have to wait for everything

icy zenith
#

mayak will explain everything. Obviously it will since its a plot device for the retcons and stuff

heavy monolith
#

Not everything is a plot device

#

You said that about lisa and nicky’s friends

icy zenith
#

I didn't say nicky's friends were

#

I said EMU was

heavy monolith
#

You said emu was

#

Which is nicky’s friends group

icy zenith
#

Yeah that club idea

#

not the group itself

vivid merlin
#

Ok: being polite to get angry and dont say something ok: with calm and genuine kindness

whole elbow
heavy monolith
#

emu

whole elbow
#

Ok
The thing is the guest

heavy monolith
#

Yup!

#

Because thing is totally physical

#

Guest peeking anim

whole elbow
#

Is his head like that or they stretched it

vivid merlin
#

I'm faded from aaron

heavy monolith
#

Its like that

#

Its the guest peek anim too

#

Since the top left says visitorbehaviorpeep

vivid merlin
#

If I find him I'll kill him

#

Aaron

heavy monolith
#

Why do you want to kill aaron

icy zenith
#

What

whole elbow
icy zenith
#

?

icy zenith
#

Cleave is the 2nd guest confirmed? idhfjsdhdsjfhdsjfsd

#

Jk that theory died a long time ago

vivid merlin
#

because it is known who the guest really is and he says he is a aaron. and he says nft is aaron

whole elbow
#

In rotm, there are 3 guests

gray dome
heavy monolith
#

Im not the only one who believes this

#

Don’t specify me

whole elbow
vivid merlin
#

but I'm not serious about killing

heavy monolith
#

Because people wont listen and decide to use builds from 2019 to try and disprove it

whole elbow
#

tinyBuild is a people

vivid merlin
#

aaron escaped and the neighbor put on a crow costume to find him

gray dome
#

logic 100

icy zenith
#

I mean NFTeaser who has the guest outfit looks kind of like nft

heavy monolith
#

I’m not obsessed you’re just wrong šŸ™‚

whole elbow
vivid merlin
#

and i think aaron is mayak

icy zenith
whole elbow
#

Aaron is mayak what

icy zenith
#

Not really but ok

vivid merlin
#

aaron somewhere in mayak

whole elbow
#

Guys

#

I have a picture of the guest unmasked

icy zenith
#

How is that being obsessed?

heavy monolith
icy zenith
#

And its true. There's no other better antagonist

gray dome
#

wow that means theyre eVEN MORE CANON

heavy monolith
vivid merlin
#

Do you want proof that aaron is a guest?

icy zenith
#

Nicky is Leon confirmed

gray dome
#

can we get back to lore plskthx

whole elbow
#

Ok so

heavy monolith
whole elbow
#

I have pictures of the guest unmasked

icy zenith
#

its just you being like Neighbor guest or neck snap

vivid merlin
#

Proof:....

whole elbow
#

Nice proof

gray dome
heavy monolith
icy zenith
#

The neighbor grumbling on the mill

gray dome
whole elbow
#

Trouble on the mill

icy zenith
#

what about rumble on the bill

gray dome
#

"28 Nov-19" thumbsup

vivid merlin
#

Because there is no information from the producer

heavy monolith
icy zenith
#

And

whole elbow
heavy monolith
tribal talon
#

Again talking about who is Guest?

gray dome
#

Yes

vivid merlin
#

Wait

heavy monolith
vivid merlin
#

Waiit

tribal talon
#

but why

icy zenith
#

Red Guest when

heavy monolith
#

Because people wont listen thats why

gray dome
#

thonk

vivid merlin
#

I found

icy zenith
#

You know you don't have to convert everyone to nft-ism

#

They'll see it eventually when the guest is unmasked

heavy monolith
vivid merlin
#

i found something

whole elbow
#

The guest

heavy monolith
#

Wh

icy zenith
whole elbow
#

Hello neighbor 2 ending is looking great

tribal talon
#

Can i say something about Aaron from hello neighbor

icy zenith
#

no

tribal talon
#

No it's cute

whole elbow
#

Yes

tribal talon
#

Has a boy, i have to say

#

Aaron is soooo cute

#

Wish i had him has my brother

heavy monolith
icy zenith
#

m

gray dome
icy zenith
#

?

gray dome
#

yes

tribal talon
#

I know it sounds bad

#

But he's cute: )

icy zenith
#

300+

#

45 = 345

versed yacht
#

He gives me brother vibes

tribal talon
gray dome
#

thund3r thats not very lore

icy zenith
#

it is technically

#

what if I'm calculating the number of pixels for kilm

#

to determine the timeline in which HS takes place

vivid merlin
#

If the teasers of 2019 come out in the game, the bubble inside me will finally burst

heavy monolith
#

ok

#

We jumped to a conclusion

#

Neighbor guest

vivid merlin
#

Because if this balloon remains any longer, me I will burst, not a balloon

heavy monolith
#

Because theres way more proving he is the guest

#

Than stuff from builds from early 2019 ā€œdisprovingā€ it

icy zenith
#

I mean yeah lore discussion isn't exactly that good but

#

The point is that no theory is perfect

#

For neighbor guest it's just the one with most evidence

#

Unless other theories get more evidence neighbor guest is the one most people believe

gleaming violet
#

Guest Neighbor theory is yes

tropic wave
gray dome
#

Theory with most evidence too

tribal talon
#

Theory that was not a theory from the beginning because devs literally showed Neighbor in Guest's costume before all this shit happened

heavy monolith
#

The guests identity isnt a secret

versed yacht
#

The thing is tho that's all old and devs haven't confirmed it's still offical 😳

heavy monolith
#

Its newer than when hn2 alpha 1, hg alpha 1, and hn2 alpha 1.5 started development im pretty sure

#

So not that old

#

And yes, it is official

#

Why wouldn’t it be

versed yacht
#

No ik it's official

#

I'm saying like

#

Still relevant

heavy monolith
#

Its more relevant than the builds we have so far

versed yacht
#

Like it could just be a scrapped concept like hg chapter 2

heavy monolith
#

Are you saying hg is scrapped

versed yacht
#

No

#

The old hg chapter 2

#

Like

heavy monolith
#

What makes you think it’s scrapped

versed yacht
#

Because it was changed to HN2 alpha 1

heavy monolith
#

We don’t need to have the build for it to be not scrapped

#

Also they wouldn’t just show neighbor guest then scrap it

#

Like who else are they gonna make the guest, a new guy with no purpose in the lore?

#

That would be dumb

versed yacht
#

Idk, I don't think Neighbor guest is impossible, but I feel like it's just a scrapped thing, and if they wanted to keep the Guests identity secret they wouldn't show the face test stuff

heavy monolith
#

There’s no reason to say it’s scrapped

#

Its one of the newest things we have

#

Related to hn2

#

Besides alpha 2

versed yacht
#

Wasn't the face test thing released closer to HGP?

#

I'm dumb so I wouldn't know

heavy monolith
#

Hgp was released around the face test, yes,

#

But not developed

#

Same with hn2a1, hga1, etc

versed yacht
#

I'm confused

heavy monolith
#

Hgp is closer to late 2018, early 2019

#

Since hn2 started development august 2018

#

But yeah when hgp released hga1 and hn2a1 already existed im pretty sure