lore-discussion

[heavy monolith]

Alpha 1

More like

[whole elbow]

canon

[heavy monolith]

No longer canon

[icy zenith]

Who said its not canon

[heavy monolith]

Because 1.5 replaced it

Its an earlier alpha

[icy zenith]

Not nessecarily

Its the prequel to the alpha

[heavy monolith]

Yeah necessarily

What

[icy zenith]

1.5 is before alpha 1

[heavy monolith]

No they just changed the story

A bit

[icy zenith]

A bit

keyword: bit

They still made it a prequel

[whole elbow]

Also who's the actual real neighbor

[icy zenith]

Buff probably

[whole elbow]

Yeah

I also think it's him

[heavy monolith]

How

[icy zenith]

Well

[whole elbow]

how

[gray dome]

not really

[icy zenith]

HN2 alpha 1 is before

[heavy monolith]

How

[small meteor]

buff is the same height as the HN1 neighbor

[heavy monolith]

The alphas aren’t all in the same timeline

[icy zenith]

Because iinstead of the neighbor case hes searching for the kids

[heavy monolith]

Guess hgp is a prequel to hn2a1

[icy zenith]

Also the suit in the attic

[whole elbow]

Isn't HGP not canon

[heavy monolith]

Neither is a1

1.5 is the game’s current story

Until a2

[icy zenith]

HGP isn't because HGA1 replaced it by updating it

[whole elbow]

What if the story changes in alpha 2???

[icy zenith]

Canon is subjective I guess

I'd still call alpha 1 credible in theories

[heavy monolith]

1.5 is just a1 but different

They arent in an order

[icy zenith]

I mean perhaps not

[heavy monolith]

The game starts and ends the same

[icy zenith]

But the way its made it explains stuf

like the attic

[heavy monolith]

Quentin pulls up in van with poster

Quentin goes into attic

Quentin see neighbor after

[icy zenith]

Well guess what

Quentin isn't real

[gray dome]

I still consider HGPs events canon

It seems to be what could take place after we get to the mountain

[whole elbow]

I think we play as Ike in hgp

[gray dome]

but only like the we go to Mayak part

which is obviously in HG

[heavy monolith]

No

[icy zenith]

I just don't get why people make up stuff so they can boost there own theory

[heavy monolith]

You literally made up that a1 is before 1.5

[icy zenith]

Like any contradictory evidence becomes

[copper wave]

fun identity test: which neighbor is this

[heavy monolith]

Lowpoly

Looks like nft though

[icy zenith]

Imagine knowing the neighbors

Life must be so sad....

Anyways

[heavy monolith]

Ok

[heavy monolith]

Oh no youre becoming campbell

[icy zenith]

How?

[heavy monolith]

by what you literally just said

Its called theorizing, not “making stuff up”

[icy zenith]

Thats not the problem though

Its just anything contradictory people make it as that thing isn't canon or something

[copper wave]

the only made up thing i really ever see is people saying stuff as scrapped

[heavy monolith]

Exactly

[gray dome]

by logic technically a1 SHOULD be after 1.5

[heavy monolith]

Which no one said they are

[heavy monolith]

Hn2a1 was replaced with 1.5

Storywise

[icy zenith]

I mean I guess the neighbor pics prolly aren't as credible but they could still be used

[gray dome]

I'm saying if it was canon

Like if they were both canon

[icy zenith]

Like people who want neighbor guest say like

Buff neighbor isn't real or this

[gray dome]

he probably is

but all I need is evidence for Guest Neighbor and I'm done

[icy zenith]

Its fine to have your own interpretation but then don't make any counter evidence by saying something else so your theory is more correct

[heavy monolith]

Thats what a theory is

[icy zenith]

Its theorizing, being wrong about stuff is fine

[heavy monolith]

Proving your theory right

Is what a theory is

Its part of it

[gray dome]

such as getting evidence

[icy zenith]

Yeah but don't be like oh there can be 2 neighbors but this other thing can't be true because it contradicts my theory

[copper wave]

i dont say buff neighbor isnt real

[icy zenith]

I'm not talking about you lol

You seem fine in the departments

[gray dome]

something like Guest Neighbor has evidence but it's barely a theory

[copper wave]

honestly i havent seen anyone say buff isnt real, since hes like the only one being shown

most people say NFT isnt real

[icy zenith]

I mean Nikita hasn't given or said anything

[gray dome]

i still think he's real

i still think both are real

[heavy monolith]

Most people who says neighbor isnt guest dont have anything to prove it wrong with

[icy zenith]

The new alphas haven't said much about NFT's yet

[heavy monolith]

So why would i listen to them

[icy zenith]

If someone says

But the neighbor is in the attic

what do you say

[gray dome]

I would say HG

[copper wave]

you say "or right he is in the attic"

[icy zenith]

What?

[copper wave]

i was responding to what you just asked

[gray dome]

tbh it doesn't seem like Guest in 1.5 is Ted but he could be, but the Guest in HG does seem like he's Ted

[icy zenith]

k

[heavy monolith]

Im not considering hn2a1 canon

[icy zenith]

Nikita could say stuff

its not like hes under some NDA or anything

[heavy monolith]

whos gonna tell him

[icy zenith]

The new book provided us with

More questions?

[gray dome]

Thund3r you're joking right

[icy zenith]

What

[gray dome]

tell me this is a joke

[icy zenith]

Okay not Nikita

but like otheres

Like Carly

[heavy monolith]

They probably are too

[icy zenith]

Why would they be under NDA lol

[gray dome]

anyone associated with tB are most likely under NDA

[icy zenith]

dude Scott Cawthon, whos super secretive about literally anything had Funko leak his stuff

[gray dome]

well they just can't tell us what's going on before the media that is going to tell us comes out

[icy zenith]

Don't you think he'd have an NDA then

[gray dome]

he does have an NDA

[icy zenith]

Plus Alex leaked so much stuff

[gray dome]

he has an NDA on Funko I think

but yk

Funko went leak

[copper wave]

alex didnt leak anything

[gray dome]

on accident

[copper wave]

those were teasers

[gray dome]

Alex on the other hand didn't leak

those were teasers Nikita approved

[icy zenith]

Teasers to show the identity of the antagonist?

[gray dome]

since they discuss teasers

yeah

Nikita doesn't care I think

[icy zenith]

Whats the point of that then

[gray dome]

I mean if he did then he'd obviously stop Alex

[icy zenith]

If the guest is a mystery why show it

[gray dome]

but he let him

so

🤷

[versed yacht]

I feel like the Guest Suit is more poorly made compared to others

Like

Gordon Cleaves

[heavy monolith]

Gordon’s suit looks badass

Guest’s suit is

Guest

[versed yacht]

It's just kinda derpy

[icy zenith]

Guests suit is like the at home version

[versed yacht]

Lol exactly

[icy zenith]

Hey mom, Can I get a guest suit

Mom: No we have it at home

Guest suit at home

[icy zenith]

Truth

[wanton drum]

Fear

[icy zenith]

Hey guys I'm the Theory killer

Present me a theory and I will destroy it

[wanton drum]

Also ikes moustache and face are slightly different

[icy zenith]

And will crush all your dreams

I am the Theorist Killer

[wanton drum]

Darby ruined everything

[small meteor]

next episode of the animated seires leaked

[gray dome]

tbh that looks real but it's obviously not

[icy zenith]

Time

[lilac kindle]

i hate that i know the source of that

[gray dome]

actually no I changed my mind it doesn't look really "real"

it's just good

more of the word to describe it

[lilac kindle]

eh, it doesnt really look that good

its just HN1 but no "texture" and its obviously traced

[gray dome]

it's accurate to the og game at least

i mean even if its still traced whoever made the traced version made it accurate

[shadow sandal]

Guys, Aaron is the guest 100% confirmed

[echo bane]

what

[versed yacht]

How..?

[shadow sandal]

so after hello neighbor, basically a sequel? I dont get what your getting at

[tribal talon]

It doesnt

Its between act 2 and 3

[heavy monolith]

No

[icy zenith]

I honestly think the more convuleted hn story gets Nikita is just gonna contradict himself

I mean he already has

With 9 books in the series eventually and like 2-3 games

The story is gonna become convuleted like fnaf

[gray dome]

how do we know 9 books

[icy zenith]

Rest day

Graphic novel 2

Notebook

[gray dome]

ok good

just those

also why

why'd u include notebook

[tribal talon]

well it exists

[icy zenith]

And it has lore implications

So yeah Nikita is gonna retcon his own story I think

Sad I am 😔

It'll become like it

Fnaf already messed up with its Fazbears Frights

The books already have plot holes

[gray dome]

it exists but it's bad

full of incorrect and outdated info

[icy zenith]

Scawth also knew what he was doing

But now he seems to be confused

[tribal talon]

i know zpefm

[icy zenith]

Which Nikita probably is too

[gray dome]

I think Nikita is creating plot holes on purpose

"everything is connected"

[icy zenith]

Who creates plot holes on purpose

That's just an excuse or bad writing

[gray dome]

timelines

[icy zenith]

And he can't use everything is connected as an excuse lol

[gray dome]

Mayak

[icy zenith]

Inconsistent writing equal plot holes

[tribal talon]

Carly

[gray dome]

it's an explanation

[icy zenith]

Also using mayak as a plot device rather than a cool mysterious thing just ruins it

[icy zenith]

Nikita still approved it so

[tribal talon]

still

[gray dome]

I like it

[icy zenith]

Yeah but it's also an excuse

To just have plot holes

And be like but oh mayak will solve it

[gray dome]

It could create for interesting story

unlike normal timeline

[icy zenith]

I get there'll be some plot holes but eventually it'll just start contradicting itself

[gray dome]

who knows what they're doing

except themselves

[icy zenith]

Multiple timelines can't justify tons of plot holes lol

[gray dome]

if it's done right...it can be

in what way

[icy zenith]

Making multiple timelines or having them reset just becomes paradoxical and just makes HN have nothing to do with HN

[tribal talon]

plot holes is there because they need to make new games/books to make more money. that's it

[icy zenith]

The weather device is fine

[gray dome]

plot device? how?

[icy zenith]

But having mayak as a plot device that is meant to fix all retcons is just stupid

[gray dome]

I don't think they're retcons

[icy zenith]

In book 1 I'm pretty sure Mya was the one in front

I forgot but you can check

[gray dome]

I don't know where to check

[tribal talon]

plot holes are an excuse for spending money for a new book/game

[icy zenith]

It's not about money

[tribal talon]

it is

that's how our world works

[icy zenith]

No shit a developer like EGS has to make money

But using lazy writing of your story and creating plot holes and then making some plot device that'll fix your stuff

Idk it's just stupid imo

[gray dome]

well I'm pretty sure they're going with it

I don't think they would have made a plot hole as far as back as only a few months ago

[icy zenith]

What

[gray dome]

they would have checked...what was in the previous book...to make sure it remains the same in the next book...to make sure no plot holes ...but instead, oh look, plot holes, amazing, yay

[tribal talon]

what "timeline" means at all in hn books story?

[icy zenith]

Also like in book 4. Forest protectors and a damn tunnel burning down yet Nicky finds out literally nothing about it

[gray dome]

that too

[tribal talon]

like one event was in 90s, another in 201*?

or

[gray dome]

well that's probably cuz books 4-6 were after 1-3 for bts reasons

but in-lore it seems 4-6 didn't happen in 1-3

[icy zenith]

It's because I don't even think Aaron trilogy was going to happen

[gray dome]

different events

ex.

Ted wears different clothing to GAAPs opening in book trilogies

[tribal talon]

like different events on same date?

[icy zenith]

That's probably just a mistake

It seems so minor

[gray dome]

sometimes

[copper wave]

aaron was also the "first to ride the rotton core" in book 3, yet in book 5 he never even gets close to the ride

ted even writes that he "knew something beforehand?"

or something similar to that

[tribal talon]

nice plot
awesome timelines

[icy zenith]

I mean

The device may show multiple futures

Since we know it shows the future

[copper wave]

book 3 makes it seem like Ted doesn't even know about anything that was presented in books 4-6

[icy zenith]

Yeah

[copper wave]

funny part is that he wasnt at groundbreaking, and didnt ride the ride

[icy zenith]

People keep saying multiple timelines is an explanation but I see it as an excuse

Also how on earth does Nicky not come across anything about fps

Or Tunnels burning or anything

[gray dome]

well we don't, but we think it might

probably cus those books don't happen in the 1-3 timeline

[icy zenith]

Book 5 cleave shows it

[tribal talon]

wait

[icy zenith]

Cleave shows Lucy dying

[tribal talon]

timelines

[copper wave]

no he doesnt

at first i thought that the town swept the forest protectors under the rug, but book 7 debunks that

[tribal talon]

i smell "Dark"

[icy zenith]

He does in the observatory I'm pretty sure

[icy zenith]

Wdym

Oh right

[copper wave]

thats just aarons own thoughts

[icy zenith]

I swear cleave shows the device

And shows a projection

[tribal talon]

i remember Dark also had multiple timelines with diffrent futures

[copper wave]

i mean its likely but it doesnt show the future, it shows things that already happened

[tribal talon]

haha

[icy zenith]

I don't understand how Nicky knows nothing about it

Or Aaron never tells him

And now Darby comes in

[copper wave]

alternate timelines

[icy zenith]

This is gonna become like the flash

Having 8 different people from different times present at 1 location

[tribal talon]

Nicky and Aaron are not friends in game's timeline

[icy zenith]

The games don't even say anything about it

[tribal talon]

since Dark have it, i guess so

[icy zenith]

That Nicky and Aaron aren't friends or are

[copper wave]

and the neighbor in HN2 is called "Neighbor_Original", why call him neighbor original if theres only one

[tribal talon]

it literally shows it Thunder

hs, hn1

[icy zenith]

Why would Aaron help him escape

[tribal talon]

he helped himself

he used Nicky to escape while neighbor tried to catch Nicky

[icy zenith]

The games don't even say anything about it

[copper wave]

they show it, they dont tell it

[tribal talon]

use your eyes please

[copper wave]

but its still there

[icy zenith]

But they don't show Nicky and Aaron are friends or not

[tribal talon]

like he was able to cooperate with us

but he ran away

[icy zenith]

I guess we can't call Nicky, Nicky since it's from the books 😔

[copper wave]

youre right its Nikki

[tribal talon]

Nicky imagined him as he was on missing poster, since he didn't saw him irl

as well Mya

[icy zenith]

Oh you thought hn was confusing

Guess what

[copper wave]

oh i never actually thought about that

[icy zenith]

Darby is Quentin

[tribal talon]

yes classic

that's the point

[icy zenith]

Tbh they should've made models for them

Unless they saved it for hs

Tbh hs and stuff don't matter much anymore

[tribal talon]

no they not

[icy zenith]

For the hn2 saga

[tribal talon]

can you read what i wrote

[icy zenith]

Only really sn seems to be connecting to hn2

[tribal talon]

they literally had 2 modelers at that time, they were able to make 2 kids models

but they didn't

and hs important as heck to hn2

they literally spent 1 year making it

[icy zenith]

What does hs have to do with hn2

The kids don't exist there

[tribal talon]

if it's not important, they were able to start making hn2 right after 1

but no, they spent a lot of time and money making hs

[icy zenith]

Mm definitely

A lot of time to just make a game where you collect random shit being chased by some Aaron

[tribal talon]

any ideas to make it more interesting?

can you do better?

[icy zenith]

Oh shit I didn't realize I was a game developer too

[icy zenith]

Instead of making it just fetching crap they could have it progress with interesting levels

[tribal talon]

give your feedback and say how they can make it better

[icy zenith]

Look on reddit there's tons of ideas

Oh wait hn has a reddit

[tribal talon]

Children collect toys in a basket around the house, but they imagining it as a game.

here's base for you

[icy zenith]

Why is every lore discussion always an argument with you

No

[tribal talon]

me

[icy zenith]

What's happened to our once great lore discussion

[tribal talon]

because i'm playing games too much, i have my little game designer somewhere deep inside me. and it's telling me things that others can't see

😔

[gray dome]

hs was made for a reason

[icy zenith]

I thought the new book would revive this channel but it's made it worse

[gray dome]

not just "ok go around hunting game collecting toys" thats not just the main point of hs and why it was made

[icy zenith]

I get that but I don't think HS really is too important for hn2

I get there's a story but you're still playing a game

[copper wave]

i mean the models from that game were used for the HN2 videos in SN

[icy zenith]

That you spent 30 bucks on

[icy zenith]

Yeah but that's just models lol

I'm talking story

[copper wave]

but thats like an instant connection between the two

and the story of HS literally shows what happens to the neighbor and his family directly

instead of being behind time limits and deaths in HN

[tribal talon]

I've analyzed my box too well. And I'm trying to show you that my box is not the same as yours.

[gray dome]

it shows u story too

u have to look deeper

[icy zenith]

Still it's a game though

With boring gameplay

Story I'd is good but the game is boring

[tribal talon]

then don't play them

read books only

[copper wave]

what does gameplay have to do with anything if you are "talking story"

[gray dome]

tbh the only reason i know of hs's meaning is because of baka, thanks, jesus

[icy zenith]

What

What'd baka say about it

[tribal talon]

because we too stupid for it

[icy zenith]

Baka isn't a bad theorist but he uses selective evidence

[tribal talon]

like that dead dude in set 2

[icy zenith]

And a narrow way of thinking

[gray dome]

story of robbery

[tribal talon]

Nikita said that it has story, we just need to conect all dots

like what dots wtf where

commas or i dunno

[icy zenith]

Nikita is super vague like Scawth

[heavy monolith]

the dots on nicky’s nose

[icy zenith]

The dots on Diane's face

After she died

[copper wave]

i found one

[heavy monolith]

fnaf

[icy zenith]

Gavin

[tribal talon]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-diy-omg-oh-no-shocked-barbie-gif-13856210

[icy zenith]

Sometimes I wonder whether baka is just an AI

Created to mess with me

[copper wave]

or maybe they just prefer the games over the books

and i dont blame them

[icy zenith]

You prefer the games?

[copper wave]

i like both

but books are still confusing and all over the place and take the biggest stretches to piece together

[icy zenith]

I think the games are good but books tell a coherent story

[heavy monolith]

Baka is a robot

[icy zenith]

At least they used to

Now everything is super weird

[heavy monolith]

Beep boop

[copper wave]

even in book 1 they started with having conflicted info things

like aarons middle name being changed

[icy zenith]

Notebook

[heavy monolith]

And maritza and enzo changing race

[icy zenith]

Well Nikita still approved all this so I do have him some blame

[copper wave]

book 1 was before nikita thought of the books as canon

[heavy monolith]

Yeah

Its still my favorite book though

[icy zenith]

I'm so confused what he means by canon or stuff

So it's not canon or is it?

[copper wave]

canon = legitimate/offical info

[heavy monolith]

Canon more like subjective

[tribal talon]

when book 1 just released it was not canon.
when they got a lot of money from book 1 it became canon.

think about it whatever you want.

[icy zenith]

I need to ask Nikita if book 1 is canon

Because if it was uncanon in pre production

Then it would be uncanon in release

But it's not so

[tribal talon]

wdym by pre production

[copper wave]

i mean how much of book 1 hasnt been rewritten or just doesnt matter now?

[icy zenith]

I doubt hn books make them that much money

[copper wave]

like almost all of it is either disregarded or just not used as of now

[icy zenith]

When book 1 was being written

[tribal talon]

he said that "it's just novel on topic, nothing important" about book 1

[heavy monolith]

Half the community doesnt even know the books exist

[icy zenith]

I don't hold book 1-2 with much credibility for the hn2 saga

Book 3 was when they started mentioning mayak

[tribal talon]

when book 3 released

[copper wave]

i say that book 3-book 27553 is when the books were being sewn into the HN story

[icy zenith]

Where did he say this I've literally never seen this

[icy zenith]

Probably

[tribal talon]

it was interview with faer gvcl

long ago

[icy zenith]

The books before I think were just providing background info

[tribal talon]

when book 3 released, again

Publication date : July 30, 2019
well haha no shit it has mentions of mayak

[icy zenith]

Mayak was a thing since November 2018

A month before book 2

But the book was probably finished by November

[copper wave]

HN2 is related to the board game but not the first two games

[icy zenith]

So it didn't have it

Brand new story

Hasn't sn been a thing since 2017

[gray dome]

2018

or late 2017

but i doubt

[tribal talon]

no no

2018

[icy zenith]

In June 2017

[copper wave]

SN started being prototyped in jan 2018

[heavy monolith]

2018

[tribal talon]

bam

[icy zenith]

Wait

[heavy monolith]

Welcome to secret neighbor

Greatest game in the world is still stuck in my head after all these years

[icy zenith]

Nvm it is 2018

[tribal talon]

betrayal at the mansion appeared in december 2017

[icy zenith]

So that means hn2 has been in development since hs?

Wait

Nvm

[heavy monolith]

What

[gray dome]

yes

[icy zenith]

Nvm I got confused

[copper wave]

HN2 started in august 2018

[tribal talon]

Thunder

[gray dome]

few months after hs

development

[tribal talon]

they started in august 2018

[gray dome]

hs probably early 2018 sometime
hn2 late 2018 - Aug.

[icy zenith]

When book 1 released

[heavy monolith]

So empathy could still be a game

[tribal talon]

they started hs right after hn1

[copper wave]

empathy is HN2

[icy zenith]

I doubt Empathy is gonna be more than like

[tribal talon]

lol

[copper wave]

and i have evidence

[icy zenith]

Empathy is prolly gonna be like Hello Engineer where its teased and becomes some spinoff game

[heavy monolith]

Classic why would you do this to me

[tribal talon]

classic

[heavy monolith]

Empathy has existed since 2017

[tribal talon]

we have evidence that empathy is hn2 and it's not hn2

at same time

[icy zenith]

Hn2 isn't hn2

[tribal talon]

it's hg, yes

[heavy monolith]

Waiting for them to change the name back

[icy zenith]

It'll be like

Hello sympathy

[heavy monolith]

But hello guest is better

So is LNS

and if they did hello visitor

[gray dome]

[heavy monolith]

[tribal talon]

i mean

[icy zenith]

I love how it's called rebuild raven brooks yet we don't do that in the the construction game

Hello Guest sounds stupid

[heavy monolith]

The the

[whole elbow]

hello guest sounded like a mod name

[icy zenith]

Hn2 sounds generic

[gray dome]

different game probably

[tribal talon]

late night shift doesn't seems about hn2

[heavy monolith]

Hello visitor

[icy zenith]

Hello Raven

[tribal talon]

because name is only about hg park gameplay style

shift

[icy zenith]

Hello crow

[whole elbow]

Baka ignoring nikita part 3

[heavy monolith]

Hello visitor

[copper wave]

i present image 1

[icy zenith]

Waiting for Hn2 to become a telltale game 😔

[tribal talon]

i just explained why you dumbass

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mad-nope-gif-10535329

[copper wave]

why is this so low quality

[whole elbow]

rude 😔

[copper wave]

ok well you can still see the image

[icy zenith]

Lore discussion be like

[whole elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/696087310286192741/793998368149340220/image0.png

[copper wave]

as you can see on the left there are the images nikita has taken and labelled "mayak-1" onhis insta, some even being on his pinterest

[whole elbow]

high quality version

[icy zenith]

Nikita has a lot on the gram

[heavy monolith]

But has hn2 been in development since 2017

[icy zenith]

Some of it is instant

[whole elbow]

august 2018

[heavy monolith]

Ok case closed

[icy zenith]

Alright no more talking in this channel till alpha 2

[heavy monolith]

no

[tribal talon]

Late Night Shift. HG park is about Shift. Late night shift.
but hn2 is not only about shift for now. there's also hn1 gameplay style.
see now?

[whole elbow]

No

[copper wave]

there is also this image from that same location, and it has #empathy on it

[whole elbow]

this isn't spoilers channel

[copper wave]

so why are HN2 images for mayak-1 labelled as empathy if HN2 isnt empathy

[heavy monolith]

No

[whole elbow]

No 🙂

[heavy monolith]

Hasnt empathy existed since 2017

[icy zenith]

Screw empathy

We got Hellgineer before Empathy I think that speaks volume

[gray dome]

"Empathy is not a HG btw"

[whole elbow]

Engineer from tf2 is sad

[copper wave]

they also ripped the first mayak art for empathy and used it inside of HGP

[icy zenith]

Tf2 lore when

Heavy is actually Quentin confirmed!!

[whole elbow]

Comics exists

[icy zenith]

Both are fat

[tribal talon]

classic, empathy is in development since early 2017. even before alpha 4.
tho at same time it looks like hn2.
shot 3 music, mayak

[heavy monolith]

Comics exist

[icy zenith]

What comics?

[heavy monolith]

Tf2 comics

But

Hn lore

Neighbor guest

Gonna leave the chat now

[tribal talon]

Nikita also said that he's still didn't talked about empathy

but like hn2 is already here

so i dunno

or what

[heavy monolith]

Empathy lore

[whole elbow]

you get hn2 early

[icy zenith]

I love how Gavin makes a topic sees the hell fire

[gray dome]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/797083989402714112/20210108_084649.jpg

[tribal talon]

oh ok then

[icy zenith]

And then just leaves

[tribal talon]

so empathy is...

[gray dome]

found his msg from a while ago, just had to go thru my msgs

[copper wave]

they also said HG wasnt HN2

[tribal talon]

it's not HG because it's HN2

boom ez

[icy zenith]

Alright time to kill this chat

m

[whole elbow]

That was alex

[copper wave]

even then we were shown HG and they presented it as not HN2

but it infact was HN2

[icy zenith]

What happened to old Jrb

[tribal talon]

empathy looks like more animated movie about hn universe. like about everything. from pre alpha to hn2. like story development with game's story.

[heavy monolith]

Alex: hello guest is not hello neighbor 2
The website: hello guest is indeed hello neighbor 2

[whole elbow]

Also

Prototype-Alpha 1 lore when

[icy zenith]

Alex isn't canon change my mind

[tribal talon]

idk, i don't see anything else what it could be

[icy zenith]

Hn is gonna die eventually so

Who cares

[tribal talon]

we all gonna die eventually so

[copper wave]

wow that sounds very positive

[tribal talon]

who cares

[icy zenith]

Jok

[heavy monolith]

What

[icy zenith]

It was a joke

[heavy monolith]

Fune

[icy zenith]

Tune

[tribal talon]

why do we even care, we still gonna die.

[whole elbow]

Who's JRB and what happened to them

[tribal talon]

so guys...... bye, i guess

😔

[heavy monolith]

Classic josh rosh bosh

[icy zenith]

Idk Jrb used to be cool and God theorist now he just puts troll faces after every message

I miss old hn discord

[heavy monolith]

What

[icy zenith]

It was before your time Gavin

[whole elbow]

What about my time

[heavy monolith]

How did the server function with you and without me

[icy zenith]

Idk about your time

[icy zenith]

It functioned very well

[heavy monolith]

how

[icy zenith]

Ask ck idc

[heavy monolith]

What

[copper wave]

i put one trollface after saying a joke what lmao

[tribal talon]

it was when Classic wanted to became moderator so he was serious. but now he's can do whatever he want, because he got what he want.

[whole elbow]

Why not ask me 😡

[icy zenith]

Seems like being a mod has made him more restricted

[heavy monolith]

What

Thunder are you working properly

[icy zenith]

And Gavin didn't say what after every message

[heavy monolith]

Lore is cool

[icy zenith]

I noticed a change in jrbehavior

Sad times we live in

Anyways I'm gonna say neighbor guest and end this chat

And then get someone to revive it

Ciao

[tribal talon]

jrb had pre-alpha ai

now he's release ai

[icy zenith]

m

[heavy monolith]

Jrb is now hn2a1 ai

[whole elbow]

More like hn2a1.5 ai

[tribal talon]

more like HE ai

wait

[heavy monolith]

Sn ai

[icy zenith]

G+G=+G

[tribal talon]

no

[heavy monolith]

What

[whole elbow]

He ai

[tribal talon]

G+G=GG

[gray dome]

[tribal talon]

GG=Good Game=HN2 Full game

see?

[heavy monolith]

Real

[tribal talon]

ye

[copper wave]

since this is lore discussion i say we discuss lore: the topic being this man

[icy zenith]

Damien Peterson Dddgdgdgdgdgd X-P Jfhdhsijfbf a free trial

m

[tribal talon]

[white solstice]

it didnt, and it doesnt

[icy zenith]

The server was still better a year ago

[white solstice]

was it

[copper wave]

this server is in the HN lore???

[icy zenith]

Better than this

[copper wave]

woah

[white solstice]

i mean

reset day takes place in the future

[whole elbow]

2017

[copper wave]

main character joins the discord

[white solstice]

the future

[whole elbow]

future

[icy zenith]

Okay I'll talk because Jrb told me and I like these types of lore talks

[tribal talon]

different timelines

[white solstice]

oh did the quentin bot leave the server

i was gonna make a joke

[whole elbow]

No

[tribal talon]

you mean Nikita's alt?

[icy zenith]

I honestly thought fake neighbor was Aaron

[heavy monolith]

Am i allowed to ping the quentin account from 24hr stream

[white solstice]

i cant find it

[tribal talon]

he's still here

[heavy monolith]

No

[icy zenith]

Lore

[tribal talon]

yeah

"Dark" lore

[icy zenith]

Fake neighbor was probably originally gonna be an impostor guest

[heavy monolith]

Neighbor guest

[icy zenith]

Don't

[white solstice]

neighbor for trailer showing up in alpha 2 and putting on the guest costume

[icy zenith]

Why do you all want neighbor guest so badly

🤔

Sad I joined this server for the community

[heavy monolith]

There’s no better choice

[icy zenith]

Swaguest be like

[white solstice]

idk it being nobody is pretty cool

[icy zenith]

Like a fake? Or a robot

[gray dome]

ohgod fake

[heavy monolith]

It being nobody or someone new defeats the point of a secret identity

[icy zenith]

How can Jrb revive chats so easily but I can't 😔

[white solstice]

you pull off the mask and theres nothing in there

[icy zenith]

And then an Imbir crawls out

[white solstice]

waiting for thund3r to learn what a dead chat is day 147

[copper wave]

if it wasnt the neighbor i would be fine if he was some sort of metaphorical thing

[icy zenith]

If no one talks for 3 hours

Or 6

[white solstice]

no

[icy zenith]

I guess it's different for lore discussion

[gray dome]

hs

[heavy monolith]

Its like days or weeks

[icy zenith]

Different levels to it

Okay but fake looks like mith

[gray dome]

yk maybe we'd know more if this community tried to actually piece things together

[heavy monolith]

Inactive is different than dead

[white solstice]

does anyone have the original neighbor in hn2a2 meme

[icy zenith]

I try making theories but people get mad at me

[heavy monolith]

When i piece together neighbor guest stuff someone says some random bullshit to try to “disprove” it

[gray dome]

not that type of stuff

[icy zenith]

When I say cleave mith and prove together evidence people say random shit that makes no sense

[tribal talon]

hs plot intensifies

set 2. about the police, who can't even keep up with one robber.
they care only about money, and they defending it very good.
but they don't care about citizens.

set 3. about a fire and a fireman who can't do anything.
House burned down because firemen either don't care or they were not able to put it down so fast.

[gray dome]

exactly

[icy zenith]

What

[heavy monolith]

Set 2 is why police cant find nicky

[icy zenith]

Perhaps the robber is Theodore

[white solstice]

when your police men are cardboard

[icy zenith]

Or represents him

[gray dome]

I'm trying to piece together the story of robbery rn

[heavy monolith]

I dont see cleave mith working

[icy zenith]

Why so

[tribal talon]

set 2 answers why the police didn't look for Nicky when he was in the basement. I don't think they even tried. like in set 2.
set 3 answers who caused the house to burn down. And why the firemen didn't even try to put it out. they just didn't have time to put out the fire.

[icy zenith]

It makes sense

[heavy monolith]

Mith got beaten up by a woman

[white solstice]

lmaoooooo

[icy zenith]

Okay then

[gray dome]

robbery

[icy zenith]

True I also thought Aaron burnt the house

[tribal talon]

i mean if he's fire.....

[icy zenith]

Perhaps to escape or he just went insane

[white solstice]

no the guest did, he threw the gas canister in the furnace

[icy zenith]

Ck can you just be legit for a minute please

[heavy monolith]

Mith 🔫 legend

[icy zenith]

What

[whole elbow]

Guest = Aaron

[white solstice]

exactly

[tribal talon]

i like how he just walked away

[heavy monolith]

Aaron is an arsonist

[white solstice]

giant explosion
casually walks away

[whole elbow]

If guest throw gas in furnace, and then Aaron burned down the house
It means Aaron is Guest

[icy zenith]

Cleave be like

Pathetic

[heavy monolith]

U4 please no

[icy zenith]

Just stop

Let's have an actual lore discussion

[heavy monolith]

Neighbor guest

Ok bye

[tribal talon]

https://www.trueachievements.com/achievementimages/7395/262814.jpg

[gray dome]

also I noticed

[icy zenith]

Fake neighbor was actually interesting

[gray dome]

the town really in stage 2 really doesn't care about the city

[icy zenith]

I'm interested to see how he could be added onto the story

[heavy monolith]

I dont like this

[gray dome]

stuff lying everywhere that could be fixed but they just don't bother it seems

[white solstice]

NF = mih

[icy zenith]

What's nf

[heavy monolith]

Neighbor fake

Nf: clown neighbor

[tribal talon]

nfnfnfnf - Imbir, 2020

[icy zenith]

Tbh when he looking at his model looks like Aaron but when you see the ending

[heavy monolith]

What

[icy zenith]

It looks like mith

[heavy monolith]

How does it look like aaron

[tribal talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768152883765444608/797839858105188372/1200.jpg

[icy zenith]

His face looks Aaron to me for some reason

[heavy monolith]

Zombie mya

diane

[tribal talon]

this crow with red eye
i have deja vu, i've already saw this somewhere

[heavy monolith]

Animated series

[tribal talon]

oo

[heavy monolith]

Cheetah vision

[white solstice]

how lol its the neighbors head with a piece of mih fused with it

[tribal talon]

aaaaa

[heavy monolith]

Guest is a cheetah

[icy zenith]

Idk his face

[whole elbow]

Guest is maritza

[icy zenith]

It looks weird

[heavy monolith]

Your face looks weird

Trolled

[whole elbow]

To take revenge to the people who hate her

[tribal talon]

what about that girl

[heavy monolith]

What about her

[whole elbow]

what about him

[tribal talon]

she has green eyes, black hair, freckles

[heavy monolith]

Guest is bagger because bagger is canon

[tribal talon]

it looks like not finished yet or i dunno
this weird green line

[tribal talon]

yes, still nothing about this

[whole elbow]

What if it activates something in HN2 when it releases

[heavy monolith]

What if it hides a hn2 steam key on your computer

[whole elbow]

"You have to delete system32 to get the hn2 steam key"

[small meteor]

it sounds like it opened a rado door

[heavy monolith]

What

[tribal talon]

locomotive

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648190412326174740/792092333796884521/nice.mp4

[heavy monolith]

Sound is kill

[whole elbow]

baka is nikita

he's playing in editort

[gray dome]

yet nobody talks about these things

[north flax]

Maybe Nicky is the man in the coat

[echo bane]

idk why but at first i thought that was nicky's daughter..

[north flax]

That’s a theory

Hey, but that’s just a theory - a game theory

[tribal talon]

Wh

[echo bane]

i d k

[gleaming violet]

you mean the man in the hat

[north flax]

Yea

[gleaming violet]

Nicky would not be old enough to be the man in the hat

[agile hare]

Mayak

[sly sapphire]

hi

[gray dome]

what

[tribal talon]

well i think he just said random thing

but

in hgp Mayak had locomotive sounds

haha guest conductor

[gray dome]

hs dead guy area
hgp Mayak
hga1 bus stop

[wicked heath]

I see the 6th book spoiler channel has been removed

I still didnt read that one

[gray dome]

then better read it

we're not using spoiler tags anymore

[tribal talon]

wdym 6th book spoiler channel

it was just spoiler channel

[tribal talon]

No more spoiler channel

we no longer use spoilers

[rough python]

||spoiler||

[tribal talon]

😐

[icy zenith]

Its much later in the timeline(not multiple timelines just the timeline)

most likely after act 3

From the phone and the prologue mentioning the tunnels 2 decades later

and old neighbor

So I looked into it

It makes sense Darby knows who Nicky is

Because his friend Jay Roth, Nicky's dad

Nicky is the same age as in Aaron

But it doesn't explain

the red key

or why he Aaron needs to trust him

marshmellow Quentin?

[echo bane]

what

[icy zenith]

you mean Quentin ready to enforce?

Okay then

I mean the weather device has something to do with this

Either it shows the future or a certain device allows you to travel into the future

Perhaps he went back in time to 1960 to help Aaron

Like what if Darby is from the future 🤔

Just a theory don't get super riled up for no reason

[icy zenith]

Perhaps

Seems like Cleave wants all of them or to create them

Maybe the grandparents found out how to make them

[versed yacht]

On the wiki it says one of the devices can "turn the tides"

Or something like that

[vernal kraken]

bruh how is reset day after hn2 if hn2 isn't even out yet--

[icy zenith]

Because

HN2 is definitely not 25+ years later

I kind of wanted an act 3 book

[vernal kraken]

how would it even make sense to write about it tho

[icy zenith]

Its after act 3 or during act 3

[vernal kraken]

after hn2 if we don't even know what happens in hn2

[icy zenith]

It says it ties directly in the new game.

[vernal kraken]

It just seems really weird to me and unnecessary to write things backwards

like-- if you don't know what came before this book and it ties into the events of hn2 how is it supposed to make sense

[icy zenith]

Carly prolly knows

[vernal kraken]

we don't tho lol so it'd be weird to read

it basically has a spoiler like Neighbour doesn't die in hn2

[icy zenith]

It'll be interesting

We don't even know who the protag is

[ember dome]

Hey ice?...

Do u know what the detective does in the cabine in hn2 ?

[icy zenith]

The man in the hat?

[ember dome]

....

Your photo

No

[icy zenith]

Oh

[ember dome]

Here what is this guy doing?

Duh ik but just why

What is he looking at?

[gray dome]

Could be referencing something else

[icy zenith]

Narf means Nicky though

[gray dome]

I know

[gray dome]

What

[tribal talon]

a

[gray dome]

Deleted msg

Bruh

[wary junco]

[icy zenith]

Death ft

[rustic swallow]

😊

[lofty bay]

hi guys I am new here

[tribal talon]

[lofty bay]

I joined because of the grapple hook lol

but I might actually stay here

Nice to meet you @tribal talon

[tribal talon]

This chat is more about lore of the game, so If you want to talk not about lore, but about game at all use #hello-neighbor

[icy zenith]

lore discussion more like

baka arguing

[tribal talon]

More like Thunder saying Cleave is Mith 3000 times

[echo bane]

[tribal talon]

Darby is police dude from diary render real

Lore

That's the point

[gray dome]

Darby Q

[tribal talon]

Quentin

[echo bane]

👀

[icy zenith]

n

[bold girder]

Guys could someone help me in Hello Guest what i must do in the park??They are so Guys and breaking something and when they see me they run away

[versed yacht]

Ok so here's my theory on Ike:

Spoilers ahead:

||Soooooo, I haven't read Book 6 yet, but I know some stuff that happens. Ik Ike is dead, and here's my theory on that. Theo and Ike meet in the tunnels, and Theo asks Ike for the parts for the device. Ike doesn't agree. So they start to fight (this being after their argument,) and Theo wins. He injuries Ike, and Ike drops his wallet. They run to the factory, and Theo pushes him into the peppermint thing. Aaron finds his wallet, and all that. Theo takes it from him at the hospital, and then takes the parts to make the device.||

[icy zenith]

I actually have a theory that Cleave killed Ike

The epilogue kind of confirms it

[versed yacht]

I still think Cleave could have killed him, but that's just my theory

[copper wave]

||Ike was killed by two people chasing him in the woods, which are assumed to be Cleave and Dale||

[icy zenith]

Yeah

We actually haven't seen Dale fp

[copper wave]

yeah we have, ||at the ending of book 6||

||him and cleave are chasing maritza and trinity out of the tunnels||

[icy zenith]

His outfit I mean

[versed yacht]

Oh well that makes my theory wrong lol

[copper wave]

i mean the books are set up so you would think ||ted killed ike, so i dont blame you||

[icy zenith]

Theodore could go to the tunnels any time since its in his basement connected

If it was Nicky trilogy then yeah

[bold girder]

[gray dome]

||the books practically confirm Cleave and Dale killed Ike||

[gray dome]

||"Channel 4 newsman (Cleave) and lead Raven Brooks detective (Dale) indicted for fraud and corruption; Connection to Gershowitz (Ike) slaying probed"||

[icy zenith]

Also I'm confused

So in a show I'm watching, a guy gets demoted from Detective to an officer

Yet in hn Dale gets promoted to an officer from a detective?

m

[gray dome]

both

[icy zenith]

Guests is

[icy zenith]

What

[gray dome]

Dale got promoted in book 5; demoted in book 6

He didn't last very long

[icy zenith]

No he said he got promoted to officer Taps

[gray dome]

He also got promoted to Detective

[icy zenith]

That theory died, quicker than Mya

[tribal talon]

Probably is him tbh

Either him or Chet Biggs trying to stop quentin to get the story first

[gray dome]

Dales arrested 😐

[versed yacht]

Honestly she was such an underated and unused character

I wish they would represent her more

[icy zenith]

Meh. I mean her purpose was to die

[versed yacht]

Yeah true, but think about it, she's the reason the park was torn down

[icy zenith]

She's the reason for the entire book series

[versed yacht]

I mean in the games

[gray dome]

she's not even in the games

Thund3r what do u even mean she's the reason for the series

[versed yacht]

Like in HN2 or something make there be like stuff all around the park in the HG segment where there's like "Justice for Lucy!" Spray painted onto walls

That could explain the vandals

They're there to protest about Lucy

[gray dome]

the only reason things happened bc of her were gaap closing and burning as well as earthpro

that's practically it

why would they hate ted

[toxic mist]

also does anyone here have an idea on ||who died in the Germany incident||

[gray dome]

teens

ted

the rest didn't do anything

[tribal talon]

That's Gordon, actually.

[gray dome]

if u mean books 1-3

books 4-6 might not have happened in 1-3 timeline

its true

[wicked heath]

Fact

[toxic mist]

book 1 was stage 5 in hnhas

and book 4 is when the petersons more in

[gray dome]

book 1 is August during Myas death

no wait

Diane I meant I think

or was it Mya

no it was Mya

her death in HS is April tho

probably timelines

[wicked heath]

Mya and Diane died the same day in book 1

[gray dome]

ask tB