lore-discussion

[toxic mist]

Bro this game went from a home invasion to a wacky eyeball building and an aggressive crow boi

Nikita had a nightmare

[wild ore]

No its the weather as well

[toxic mist]

Woke up and had the hn2 lore

[heavy monolith]

mayak is not the weather its literally the station

mayak is only a building the grandparents built, its a weather station, its not weather itself

[toxic mist]

All I know is cloudy of a chance of meatballs was some sort of an inspiration in this wacky storyline

[tribal talon]

Meteostation?

it's called meteostation

[wild ore]

Yes but it was named after the weather event the gran parents where studying

[heavy monolith]

what

[toxic mist]

They were meteorologists

That’s why it’s called meteostation

It was their secret lab

[wild ore]

Yes they

[heavy monolith]

but its not the weather itself

[wild ore]

Arw

[toxic mist]

||And what Aaron calls the observatory||

[wild ore]

Are

[heavy monolith]

Its just a meteostation

[tribal talon]

It controls weather?

[wild ore]

It's both

[heavy monolith]

Nono, there’s 2 buildings

[toxic mist]

Hn2 alpha 2 is gonna be lit

[heavy monolith]

The observatory and the weather station

The observatory was in book 5 dont faint

The meteostation is mayak

The one the grandparents used to work in

[tribal talon]

I don't see anything about "observatory" in hgp, hga1. It's just about weather.

[wild ore]

Actually it is ritual that coses the weather to change

[heavy monolith]

i dont remember mayak being the name of a storm in hg or hn2

[toxic mist]

Everything has to be mysterious

Hn 2 alpha 2 is taking a long time tho

[tribal talon]

mysterious plot holes

[heavy monolith]

Its already done

[toxic mist]

Whatddumean

[heavy monolith]

Theyre just waiting to release it

[tribal talon]

for a long time

yep

[toxic mist]

Th-this is forbidden knowledge

[tribal talon]

it's finished most likely in November-december

[toxic mist]

Oh sh||iza||

[heavy monolith]

shit

[toxic mist]

Cool

[heavy monolith]

😹

[toxic mist]

stop

[heavy monolith]

lore

[tribal talon]

they even had time to make an update for Alpha 1

[heavy monolith]

mayak is funny

[tribal talon]

As you can see

[toxic mist]

plot holes amiright

[heavy monolith]

I still dont know what changed besides performance

[tribal talon]

Performance, only this

[heavy monolith]

Did anything else change

[tribal talon]

nope

[toxic mist]

bruh I haven’t even read book 6 yet but I don’t care much for spoilers

[heavy monolith]

What if the alpha 2 cops are just chilling in the files with obscure names like “book”

[toxic mist]

we already know one is Tim lockwood

[heavy monolith]

*subway surfers cop

and set 2 aaron

[wild ore]

probably telling you to read the books

[tribal talon]

Bet: those cops have nothing to do with books ones.

[toxic mist]

Are the cops revealed in the books?

[heavy monolith]

nope

they arent

[wild ore]

We don't there names

[toxic mist]

Like the subway surfers cop looking guy is like the chief of police or somethin?

[heavy monolith]

Since ||dale got arrested||, skinny guy is a new character

And subway surfers cop looks nothing like anyone we’ve heard about in the books

[toxic mist]

Was ||dale from the prologue of book 5||

[heavy monolith]

no

Hes the detective

From book 5 and 6

[tribal talon]

heck yeah, I got half of my bet back ez gg

[heavy monolith]

Subway surfers cop doesnt resemble anyone

[wild ore]

One of them could have been the one in Mrs. tillmens store from book 1

[heavy monolith]

except quentin

[toxic mist]

So the guy ||running in the tunnels is still supposedly man in the hat right?||

[heavy monolith]

[tribal talon]

Where's my money?

[heavy monolith]

||no, gordon cleave||

different guy

[toxic mist]

Well he might be mith tho

[heavy monolith]

meh

[toxic mist]

We don’t know who he is

We also don’t know who the guest is

If he’s even real or now

[heavy monolith]

||he was arrested in book 6 so||

||cleave and dale got arrested im pretty sure||

[wild ore]

Yep

[tribal talon]

Why

[toxic mist]

I still sorta think the guest is Aaron because he is really aggressive and had a massively messed up childhood

[wild ore]

But tavish got off lucky

[toxic mist]

He is also staying in the neighbors house after the storm

[wild ore]

The old mayer

[tribal talon]

did you saw what Alex showed

[heavy monolith]

We have a pretty clear idea

[toxic mist]

Who might that be?

[heavy monolith]

neighbor

[toxic mist]

But isn’t the neighbor proven to be someone else tho

[wild ore]

Yes

[tribal talon]

3 or 4 pics with Neighbor in Guest's costume;
1 high quality video with face rig test.

[toxic mist]

Or is alpha 1-1.5 all a dream

[heavy monolith]

Literally all i need to send

[toxic mist]

I think that’s a placeholder

[tribal talon]

dude

you placeholder

[toxic mist]

The first pic Alex sent was old artwork too

[heavy monolith]

This neighbor model is newer than nft

[wild ore]

That was face test that proves nothing

[heavy monolith]

Your mom’s a placeholder

gottem

Trolled!

[toxic mist]

And how could he be that skinny too

His arms are like 3 inches

In width

[heavy monolith]

an alternative is that the guest’s looks in 1.5 arent even real

Considering half that build is just fake

[wild ore]

Explain how we all whys see neighbour and the away from each other

[heavy monolith]

What

[toxic mist]

hn2 is a figment of quintens imagination

[heavy monolith]

Hello neighbor 2 alpha 1.5 isn’t entirely real

And hn2 alpha 1 isnt canon

[tribal talon]

Placeholder

in-game placeholder

[heavy monolith]

Dream looking for new cheats

[echo bane]

lmfao

[toxic mist]

Devil looking for shortcuts

[wild ore]

In every promotional picture we see from the game they are to separate people

[toxic mist]

Mhm

[heavy monolith]

The promotional pictures also dont need to take place in real life

🤨

[wild ore]

In every picture

[toxic mist]

So ur saying the game will alternate the dream world and real life like hnhas?

[heavy monolith]

Some of 1.5 was in quentin’s mind

So most likely

[toxic mist]

that seems kinda scummy but most of the stuff we’ve seen so far is pretty surreal

so it’s not that far fetched tbh

[heavy monolith]

yeah like missing posters of kids existing before they go missing

[toxic mist]

Bro I gotta read book 6

[heavy monolith]

Or the neighbor being locked behind a metal door in his own house after a child becomes him

[heavy monolith]

Im talking about the 1.5 kids

[wild ore]

You seriously telling me prom art witch is show something that will come up in game does not show anything

[heavy monolith]

But uh book 6 does have something similar

Promo art almost never comes in the final game

[tribal talon]

Placeholder🤡

[heavy monolith]

This was totally in the final game mhm

[wild ore]

Yes it does

[heavy monolith]

I remember this part

Oh yeah and this

This totally happened

[tribal talon]

Happened

in prototype

[heavy monolith]

This also totally happened

[tribal talon]

Well you know.... They scrapped old story several times

[shadow summit]

Alpha 1

[heavy monolith]

hn2 story can be slightly changed

[shadow summit]

Also

[heavy monolith]

🤨🤨😭

[tribal talon]

Don't think so Gavin

[shadow summit]

Wait

Ok I gotta delete that

[heavy monolith]

do we really

[shadow summit]

Yep

[wild ore]

They show you the people in the game and why is angry at the guest if they are the same person

[shadow summit]

Alright

Time to start a bar fight

[heavy monolith]

If you post a screenshot of nft in the attic this entire conversation is invalid

[tribal talon]

Nikita already has plot for everything.
Literally HS was created not just because. Whole hs is a teaser for hn2.

[gleaming violet]

that seems more like foreshadowing but idk

[tribal talon]

so if they are gonna change something, it will be not very important

[shadow summit]

1. Guest is spaghetti, and Neighbor is buff (Unless your talking about NFT)
2. The "Guest Neighbor" stuff is probably scrapped
3. In teasers, Guest and NFT have different arms sometimes

[heavy monolith]

Even if nft isnt important, the buff neighbor was definitely the guest at some point

[shadow summit]

Also keep in mind how would the head fit into that crow mask

[wild ore]

HS happens before the first one

[shadow summit]

If it even is a mask.

[tribal talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648186907708227624/796857804714803280/20210107_174758.jpg

[heavy monolith]

No way

[gleaming violet]

HN 2 has started so many debates

[shadow summit]

Gavin

[heavy monolith]

It is a mask

[shadow summit]

You're hurting my brain rn

[heavy monolith]

considering its make from stitches and fabric

[shadow summit]

How was the Guest buff neighbor

[heavy monolith]

im not talking about the guest quentin sees

Im talking about THE guest

[shadow summit]

Ok and

[tribal talon]

yeah no one cares that Alex literally said thing about Beatrix and Quentin back in 2019

[gleaming violet]

bruh dont you know crows heads are made from stitches and fabric

[shadow summit]

We don't know what the guest looks like

[tribal talon]

[heavy monolith]

My bad

[toxic mist]

The 1.5 kinds aren’t real

[shadow summit]

So that means the guest is 100% a toothpick man

[heavy monolith]

they are real, the one quentin sees aren’t

[gleaming violet]

HN 2 is technically not in the cannon yet

[heavy monolith]

What happens to them

[heavy monolith]

The latest build of hn2 is canon until a new one releases

[shadow summit]

Gavin could you make more sense please

[toxic mist]

Huh?

[gleaming violet]

HE is not in the cannon yet either

[shadow summit]

Give us all proof the guest is NFT or Buff Neighbor

[heavy monolith]

k

[toxic mist]

nft?

[white solstice]

Guest is bagger

[shadow summit]

Also teasers of NFT in guest outfit doesnt count

[white solstice]

runs

[shadow summit]

Since thats 100% scrapped

[heavy monolith]

They actually do

i don’t remember hearing they were 100 percent scrapped

[wild ore]

And dont just show the same photo

[heavy monolith]

Are you nikita

[gleaming violet]

HN 1 and HS are the only games that make sense

[toxic mist]

what’s nft

[shadow summit]

Neighbor for trailer

Also no I'm not Nikita

[heavy monolith]

i know. Who said they were 100 percent scrapped.

[shadow summit]

And who said they werent scrapped?

[heavy monolith]

no one. But no one said they were scrapped either

[wild ore]

Actually they where

[shadow summit]

Gavin

Since your a Guest Buff Neighbor believer

[tribal talon]

Why buff

[shadow summit]

Give us the proof

[white solstice]

He doesn’t believe the guest is buff neighbor lmao

[heavy monolith]

Not just buff i mean the neighbor in general

[tribal talon]

Just Neighbor Guest, he's not buff. Just Neighbor

[wild ore]

Recc sand so we can talk

[shadow summit]

You literally just-

Jesus christ

[tribal talon]

Ah son on jesus duck

[white solstice]

If you believe the guest is the strong man then you need to get your vision checked

[heavy monolith]

Theres literally no reason to call this scrapped

[toxic mist]

Neighbor before donut

[wild ore]

Send me a message and we can talk

[white solstice]

Look at the detail

[wild ore]

Face test

[shadow summit]

Yeah guys!!!

[heavy monolith]

a face test for nft who is important

[tribal talon]

Yeah, they tested his face skeleton

[white solstice]

Hear me out/in

[shadow summit]

They're both forest protectors!!! That means they're the same people!!

[tribal talon]

As you can see they did huge work for his weight paints

[white solstice]

Why wouldn’t the guest be the neighbor

[heavy monolith]

yeah im sure that guest suit is totally there for no reason, yeah

[heavy monolith]

He isn’t even wearing a forest protector suit

[shadow summit]

Alright Gavin

[heavy monolith]

Neither is the guest

[wild ore]

Racc message me so we can talk in private

[toxic mist]

Bro racc is screaming internally right now

He’s boutta punch his monitor

[white solstice]

I am too I don’t even know where I am

What is this place

[toxic mist]

Because of these goddamn plot holes

[shadow summit]

If the "teasers" didnt exist
Would you have proof of Guest Neighbor?

[heavy monolith]

A forest protector suit is literally a black cloak with hundreds of black feathers with a black sharp curved beak, eyes, sharp talons

[white solstice]

YES

[echo bane]

The guest = fake neighbor?

[white solstice]

what

No

[heavy monolith]

How about 80 percent matching proportions

[toxic mist]

Aren’t the books different tho

[white solstice]

Fake neighbor is a weird monstrosity we don’t talk about him

[toxic mist]

Like the layouts are totally different too

[shadow summit]

Fake Neighbor is just smith

But poorly disguised

[heavy monolith]

fake neighbor is beatrix

[wild ore]

Ikaliebe message me though my profile and we can talk

[white solstice]

NF is a mix of mih and NFT and I’m scared of him

[tribal talon]

To be honest, in my opinion, this skeleton and weights quality for that face test is something like Pixar movie.
It's very flexible and not clipping at all.
Yuri spent a lot time making this. Like not one hour or one day.

[echo bane]

uhh wut

[heavy monolith]

Yeah

[white solstice]

That would be the best twist ever

[heavy monolith]

Imagine the guest is ike but he takes off his suit and hes just red and white and smells like a candy cane

[tribal talon]

Imagine spending 5 days making advanced rig for Neighbor's face and then Nikita entering your office and saying that we should delete this

[white solstice]

Imagine spending like a week making that test and then a bunch of people say it’s scrapped

I would be sad

[shadow summit]

Yep Bois

[tribal talon]

But I like that they don't care about what we are saying

They just doing everything as they planned

[shadow summit]

"Guest is Neighbor"

[white solstice]

Gavin we had this discussion and I don’t remember what classic said

What did he say

[heavy monolith]

The hood pulls the shoulders up. we literally discussed this with classic and krahen

[toxic mist]

Nikita out here spreading rumors

[tribal talon]

Wait

Why you comparing it with default Guest

face rig test video is different model

[white solstice]

Nikita explaining how he hates the HN discord server and thinks the timeline theory is stupid

[heavy monolith]

Obviously

[tribal talon]

And it fits more to nft model

[gleaming violet]

what?

[white solstice]

If NFT isn’t canon... explain THIS

[heavy monolith]

Neighbor after being the guest

[white solstice]

I still want Quentin to pull the mask off and reveal that it’s an empty costume

That would be incredible

[heavy monolith]

Or just a robot mannequin

I mean theodore’s designed moving mannequins before

[white solstice]

I can picture it being a mannequin

[gleaming violet]

wait isn't nft neighbor from a different timeline

[heavy monolith]

What

[gleaming violet]

or something

i heard that somewhere

[white solstice]

I think he’s the neigjbor from this realm

Since that’s him on the missing poster

[heavy monolith]

neigjbor

[white solstice]

Yes

[toxic mist]

Neighbor after taking off guest mask

[tribal talon]

It fits more, compare it

[gleaming violet]

so buff boi is not normal neighboi

[white solstice]

Probably not

He looks so off

[heavy monolith]

neighbruh

[tribal talon]

He's from different timeline

Or how you saying this

[white solstice]

Let’s call them Time rifts since people have a mental breakdown when you mention timelines

[heavy monolith]

imagine nft was the actual neighbor the entire time and hn1 neighbor shouldnt even be there

[white solstice]

If the neighbor puts on glasses is glasses neighbor canon

[heavy monolith]

yes

[tribal talon]

let's not forget that fact that "Dark" is literally hn story

and it also has timelines things

[white solstice]

Oh yeah

[tribal talon]

just saying

[heavy monolith]

Secret neighbor

[white solstice]

All it’s missing is a guy in a crow costume

[heavy monolith]

you mean the neighbor

[white solstice]

No they can’t use the neighbor he’s trademarked

I think

I hope

[echo bane]

SN is real

[wild ore]

Racc add me when you want to talk about something

[white solstice]

it can’t be!

[gleaming violet]

HN and HS are the only games that make sense

[dense basin]

we may think that a muscular neighbor from a different time point, for example, immediately after act 2

[white solstice]

You forgot SN

Again

[tribal talon]

he's not

[heavy monolith]

Dark first aired exactly a week before hn1 full game

[gleaming violet]

well the first 3 HN games make sense i guess

[heavy monolith]

🤨

[tribal talon]

Because they actually fully released yeah k

[gleaming violet]

so is SN

[heavy monolith]

sn makes sense

[gleaming violet]

i guess

[tribal talon]

events

[white solstice]

We could also cut the “””time rift””” theory entirely and say buff neighbor is quentins interpretation and NFT is still real

[heavy monolith]

Yeah that

[white solstice]

Look guys! No “time rifts”

[tribal talon]

Young Neighbor

And his wife

[heavy monolith]

dude!!! Stop giving evidence to timelines!!!! Bully!!!

[toxic mist]

Is quinten a time rift?

[white solstice]

Yes he is a time rift from the hit 3D platformer a hat in time

[toxic mist]

Like max caulfield

[heavy monolith]

quentin? I only know norman

[gleaming violet]

quinten is good name

[tribal talon]

nice

[white solstice]

10/10 would change my name to Quentin

[gleaming violet]

quinten better then quentin

[heavy monolith]

Quentin william lastname 2006

[tribal talon]

I remember how Alex said Quinten and mr. Petterson

[white solstice]

I used to spell his name “Quenten”

Because it sounds like that kinda

[heavy monolith]

Aaron guesters

[toxic mist]

Qeunitnen

[tribal talon]

4785

[white solstice]

Cw-in-ten

[heavy monolith]

Imagine they make 4785 a code in hn2

[tribal talon]

Why there's still no easter egg about pa code

[heavy monolith]

Imagine you have to enter in the hgp unlock code

[white solstice]

Oh lord

[heavy monolith]

One key wrong and you gotta re enter it

[toxic mist]

That’s a good YouTube idea

[white solstice]

Pain

[toxic mist]

remember all the old alpha 2 videos

[heavy monolith]

i remember one of a guy with a beard using a debug camera in cutscenes

Thats about it

[white solstice]

Beard smeard?

[heavy monolith]

YES

him

[white solstice]

Or Ferk

[toxic mist]

Bonustank?

[white solstice]

Or whatever his name is

[heavy monolith]

Its beard

[white solstice]

Bonustank privated all of his HN videos past alpha 1

Because die nostalgia

[heavy monolith]

dantdm was my introduction to hn is that good or bad

[white solstice]

At least it wasn’t FGTEEV

[tribal talon]

Indie crappy horror games

[toxic mist]

Oh lord

[gleaming violet]

i remember when people thought the alpha 2 cc were made by tinybuild and those UE4 commands teased HN multiplayer mode and stuff

[heavy monolith]

it was an alpha 1 video

[toxic mist]

Let’s migrate to #hello-neighbor

[tribal talon]

no

[white solstice]

Mass migration is beautiful

[tribal talon]

Neighbor is Guest

Because Norman said this in book 7

[white solstice]

You’ve awoken the hoard

[heavy monolith]

You’ve awoken the people without good evidence for it being anyone else

Oh no

[tribal talon]

I still don't get why some thinking that he's not Neighbor

Like literally Alex with Nikita showed pics and video

[white solstice]

Because it’s old even though the alphas we’re playing are old!!!

[tribal talon]

Nikita accidentally said in interview that he's Neighbor

[heavy monolith]

people call the neighbor guest images outdated yet use hn2a1 to prove neighbor isnt guest

[tribal talon]

*Interview with Nikita and Ari

[heavy monolith]

Nikita interviewed nikita?

Wild

[tribal talon]

Yes

[white solstice]

When you talk to yourself in the mirror

[gleaming violet]

Nikita did tease other HN characters returning in HN 2

[shadow summit]

for anyone who thinks guest is neighbor: i dont remember NFT's arms being THAT long

wrong pic

oops

[heavy monolith]

nice going

[white solstice]

Ah yes the wide cast of characters in HN

[white solstice]

Omg no way

The guest

[shadow summit]

yeah sorry i dont remember his arms being that long

[tribal talon]

I remember how he literally said "Neighbor" about Guest's AI in hn2

[heavy monolith]

Yeah the guest is exaggerated

[white solstice]

shocked face

[tribal talon]

Gavin, low quality render with Neighbor Guest

[white solstice]

It’s either an exaggeration or extended arms

Maybe both :0

[tribal talon]

Do you have it

[heavy monolith]

What

[toxic mist]

Aarons ai is so good

[heavy monolith]

I dont have a neighbor goose rendder

[tribal talon]

aaw

So Aaron is Guest then

[heavy monolith]

nooooo

[gleaming violet]

yes

def

[heavy monolith]

aaron guest is basically a joke theory at this point

[gleaming violet]

yes

but he sleeps in aarons room so it confirmed !!7263 u kjust dum

[white solstice]

Speaking of sleeping!

[gleaming violet]

we weren't talking about sleeping

[white solstice]

In act 1 the neighbors leg twitches when he sleeps
So does the guests

[gleaming violet]

oooo

[white solstice]

I know but we were talking about bedrooms

[tribal talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/796468337559339008/fezz.png

[gleaming violet]

outdated

[white solstice]

Is he smiling

[tribal talon]

Your mom outdated

[heavy monolith]

Looks like the guest look around, eh?

[white solstice]

Or just really sad

[toxic mist]

Angry neighbro

He lost his shovel

[tribal talon]

@shadow summit

That render

His hands is like nft

[shadow summit]

yeah thanks baka

thanks

[gleaming violet]

wh

[shadow summit]

thanks baka

[toxic mist]

Arm hairs

Guest has no arm hairs 😦

[heavy monolith]

The guest is exaggerated once again

[toxic mist]

Bruh the nft’s arms are like 3 inches in width

Unless the guest isnt real

[white solstice]

You can’t call an image outdated if we’re playing an alpha that’s also outdated

[shadow summit]

sorry but uhm

those arms are literally shorter than the guest

[toxic mist]

Mhm

[white solstice]

OH NO

[toxic mist]

What is the guest is nicky lol

[heavy monolith]

t

[white solstice]

He can’t be the guest!!!!

intense sobbing

Shut the entire operation down

[heavy monolith]

They don’t need to one hundred percent match

[shadow summit]

reasons why this server hurts my brain:

1. everyone thinks guest is neighbor

[white solstice]

Reason why you hurt my brain: you don’t think the guest is the neighbor

[toxic mist]

Huh

[heavy monolith]

That makes buff neighbor an entirely different character from the hn1 neighbor because he has slight changes!!!

[white solstice]

Who do you think the guest is

[heavy monolith]

[white solstice]

If you say aaron you’re going to guest world

[shadow summit]

Aaron

okno

[white solstice]

guest world it is

[shadow summit]

New character

[toxic mist]

Oh god

[shadow summit]

That we don't even know

[heavy monolith]

new characters dont exist

[white solstice]

A new character that’s in the neighbors house

[toxic mist]

Guest could be Aaron’s teacher for all we know

[wild ore]

Racc add me when you want to really talk about HN lore

[gleaming violet]

racc hurts my brain

[heavy monolith]

considering quentin and mih probably arent even new characters

[shadow summit]

you told me this a million times

[wild ore]

Could you do it

[toxic mist]

What research have you done camp?

Just wondering

[gleaming violet]

camp has not even seen the HE website or trailer

so

[tribal talon]

that's why i sent that render
his arms is shorter, like nft

[white solstice]

They have spoken to Nikitas best friend who told them very valuable info

[gleaming violet]

camp knows nothing about HN lore

[toxic mist]

Hm

[gleaming violet]

especially when camp never read this

[heavy monolith]

I think we should consider that the guest’s features are very exaggerated

[wild ore]

Have all the book own all the the games have followed them on every social media they have been following since hn pre alpha

[white solstice]

On a note better than “who is bird man” I have a new thing to tackle

Who’s NF

[heavy monolith]

me

[white solstice]

This convo will last about 2 minutes but like

[toxic mist]

Who’s nickys grandpa?

[white solstice]

Gone.

[tribal talon]

"Golden Apple Amusement park"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/768151614602477588/796984608880459776/20210108_011151.jpg

[toxic mist]

Reduced to atoms

[white solstice]

Yooo it’s the Germany park

after the great German flood of

Year

[toxic mist]

It’s a cannon guys

Look at that cool pirate ship

[wild ore]

Baba

[heavy monolith]

every guest neighbor conversation:

“neighbor guest”
“Proof”
actual proof
“Outdated!” image some dumb slight proportion change that makes it “an entirely different person”

[heavy monolith]

@tribal talon baba

[toxic mist]

Neighbor guest

[gleaming violet]

its not like no one besides you have played since pre alpha

ur not flexing

[white solstice]

Classic really needs to make that video huh

[toxic mist]

Lore video?

I missed out on a lot of stuff

[white solstice]

A video on why the guest is the neighbor and YOUR opinion is invalid

[toxic mist]

Hm

[white solstice]

He never said he was gonna do that actually but he should because people listen to him

[heavy monolith]

rip

[tribal talon]

oh no

[heavy monolith]

lore

is cool

Right guys

[storm salmon]

and vido snapped

[white solstice]

Oh phew I thought a lot was purged

[tribal talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720318918165659779/796468337559339008/fezz.png

[heavy monolith]

The guest suit is totally there for no reason right

[toxic mist]

Pinch

[heavy monolith]

Yeah, totally

[tribal talon]

so basically that guest that we have rn is like placeholder fro hgp

because they added huge amount of details to his suit

[white solstice]

Wait the guest model changed

[heavy monolith]

The Textures did

[wild ore]

Exactly

[toxic mist]

Wait until they add eyes to guest model

[heavy monolith]

hga1 has a more detailed sweater but hn2 has more dirt and stuff

[wild ore]

They remade it

[tribal talon]

and this render is totally new model

[toxic mist]

So far they have succeeded in making the models better

They look much cleaner

[heavy monolith]

And animations

[toxic mist]

Yea

[heavy monolith]

i’d say music but i’d be lying because HS has better music

[tribal talon]

model is same here

so either it's only for Neighbor Guest

[wild ore]

That s wors

[tribal talon]

or totally new model for Guest at all

[heavy monolith]

I hope they change the guest model

[tribal talon]

they are most likely

cuz model we have rn is from hgp

[heavy monolith]

i hope they change it to be more menacing

[toxic mist]

No the hgp one is lighter and has a pocket

[white solstice]

That’s textures

Not model

[tribal talon]

model

not texutes

[heavy monolith]

Hn1 neighbor lasted from prototype to release and even was used in HS and SN

[wild ore]

But yeah HS love the music gonna go bye

[toxic mist]

Well yeah your right

[white solstice]

HGP guest has weird textures

[tribal talon]

*texture

there's only one texture

[toxic mist]

Dang

[tribal talon]

without normals and roughness

[white solstice]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[tribal talon]

just diffuse

[heavy monolith]

oh god hn2r was actually hgpr

[tribal talon]

why do i have feeling that they wanted to release hn2 prototype

[white solstice]

They did

open the house map in HGP

[tribal talon]

but decided to not do this because of hgp

like those attic anims

[heavy monolith]

Me on my way To find neighbor guest evidence

[tribal talon]

they didn't released it cuz it's weird to have 2 prototypes for one game

[white solstice]

Me escaping lore discussion

[gleaming violet]

wasn't the that house map from HGP meant to be used again

[heavy monolith]

What

[tribal talon]

it was act 1 house test

[gleaming violet]

the house map from HGP

[tribal talon]

for Guest's ai

[gleaming violet]

wh

oh it was an ai testing map

[white solstice]

neighbor 3 is back with vengeance

[tribal talon]

hgp park is hga1 park.
hgp house is hn2a1,1.5 house

[toxic mist]

Hgp house?

[gleaming violet]

imagine if diary updates

[heavy monolith]

nooo i don’t want to go to neighbor_3!!!

[tribal talon]

sicret rusian hose

[toxic mist]

Mayak isn’t in hn2 tho

[tribal talon]

Nikita's house

[gleaming violet]

i wanna what the heck this is

[heavy monolith]

Empathy

[toxic mist]

Wait is Nikita house the panicroom?

[tribal talon]

always has been

[gleaming violet]

Empathy

[toxic mist]

Ohgod

[heavy monolith]

empathy music

by nikita

[toxic mist]

Bro why do y’all call the music empathy

[tribal talon]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhBcn2RhvVq/

[heavy monolith]

not the music

The game

Empathy

[tribal talon]

#runaway #blender #empathy

[gleaming violet]

isn't Empathy HN 3 or something

[tribal talon]

when you running away from empathic blender

[white solstice]

The final battle

[heavy monolith]

I really want empathy to be a hn1 remake instead of a story continuation

[tribal talon]

wh

[heavy monolith]

They can remake hn1 but add on to the story

[tribal talon]

they are not gonna

[gleaming violet]

what about HN 1 remake made in UE5 with more lore

[heavy monolith]

And improve the visuals and have a new artstyle

[toxic mist]

“The feeling when you get a bad message”

[tribal talon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/IeivT0gSGWc86kDNZC

[white solstice]

You want a HN1 remake? Boy do I have a sequel for you

[toxic mist]

Maybe quinten gets a bad message

[tribal talon]

tb when found the way to make more money from fans

[gleaming violet]

what about that theory that HN 2 A1.5 is a video game in the HN universe

[tribal talon]

remake for books when

[dense basin]

imagine that a neighbor (NFT) from time hn2 is locked in the attic of a neighbor from hn1

[heavy monolith]

it wont happen but an hn1 remake with extra lore, a new soundtrack, improved visuals, new artstyle, added scenes, and more would be cool

By egs

[gleaming violet]

yes

[toxic mist]

That would take another year tho

[tribal talon]

well, you know Gavin... remake is for only old games

like 20 years old games

[toxic mist]

I dont think that’s gonna happen

[gleaming violet]

i hope if a HN 1 remake happens it does include any old art stuff at all

[heavy monolith]

Uhhh what would it be called

Remaster

Or is that the same

[tribal talon]

remaster it's when on same engine

[heavy monolith]

memejemendhen

[tribal talon]

minor changes

remake it's when totally new

mafia 1 remake

mafia 2 remaster

[heavy monolith]

what would a repeated hn1 with added stuff released in 2022-2023 be

[tribal talon]

to be honest it will be stupid to remake hn1

like guys you can fix your game, not remake it

[heavy monolith]

I mean they could always just do a super big update instead of a remake

[tribal talon]

they planning to do

[toxic mist]

Maybe they were to add mayak to hn1

[tribal talon]

Kaya said back in February

they planning to do an update

but they don't know when at all

you know why

[heavy monolith]

it wont happen in an update but i want a new soundtrack and new artstyle and stuff in hn1

[tribal talon]

nah

[paper shadow]

[heavy monolith]

lore

[tribal talon]

hi

[heavy monolith]

Neighbor goose

[white solstice]

No

[heavy monolith]

am i right

[white solstice]

Not this discussion

[tribal talon]

bye

[tribal talon]

https://www.trueachievements.com/achievementimages/7395/262814.jpg

[tribal talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648190412326174740/797065095536574464/unknown.png

it's official, btw

[versed yacht]

Ooo Nicky 2 art

Imma just save to phone

[gray dome]

no proof

[versed yacht]

Nft is Guest and Nft is also Aaron 😔

Confirmed by Nikita himself he said it in the bible

[gray dome]

What the

[versed yacht]

"Aaron is Nft and Nft is guest gamers" -nikita 500 bc

[icy zenith]

Dale didn't

[ocean warren]

well...

[heavy monolith]

He did

[icy zenith]

Are you talking about

The epilogue

Because spoiler alert

||the newspaper is about Cleave not Dale||

@heavy monolith

[heavy monolith]

||they were still both exposed and arrested||

[shadow summit]

got me in the first half

but thats H&S 100%

[icy zenith]

We can talk about book 6 spoiler free in 3 days

since it'll be 2 weeks after it released

[icy zenith]

||Which means in the current timeline Cleave doesn't die he just gets arrested for Ike's murder then||

[tidal jacinth]

whos dale

[gray dome]

an officer from the books

[tidal jacinth]

and full name?

[gray dome]

Dale Tapps

[tidal jacinth]

im writing them down

[versed yacht]

Don't forget Joe

[icy zenith]

Who's Joe

Don't say it

[tidal jacinth]

mama

[agile hare]

yes

[gray dome]

dont need to show proof why

[stoic narwhal]

i think that nabor is imortal

[blazing latch]

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[versed yacht]

Well Aaron is Nicky, we know that, and we know the new Neighbor we see is Maritza, and the new cops are Imbir and Trinity, so yeah it's not impossible that Goose Neighbor exists

[versed yacht]

Ik

[blazing latch]

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[versed yacht]

Jerry is guest

[blazing latch]

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[icy zenith]

Lore

[tribal talon]

jerry

[subtle copper]

lol

[echo bane]

what

[versed yacht]

Yes

[echo bane]

h o w

[versed yacht]

y e s

[small meteor]

h o w

[echo bane]

ig the new neighbor is pretending to be a girl..

[versed yacht]

y e s

[small meteor]

N O

[heavy monolith]

nicky is actually imbir

[gray dome]

amazing lore discussion here

[echo bane]

well ig you're right

[icy zenith]

Sadly this is the future of lore discussion

[radiant pebble]

Has anyone theorized that Nicky is the geust?

[winged knoll]

imbir is the lore discussion

[radiant pebble]

Hi I'm new lol

[winged knoll]

yes they have

and its not possible as nicky is much taller then the guest and nicky is living in the city during the time of HN2

[radiant pebble]

So HN2 takes place before the final acts of HN1?

[winged knoll]

yes

it takes place between act 2 and act 3

[gray dome]

he'd actually still be a kid

[icy zenith]

Nicky most likely escaped

By the time of hn2

[small meteor]

until we get a HN2 styled nicky as his grown up self this will have to be canon until we know more

[winged knoll]

still alex said that between act 2 and act 3 is around 15-20 years

[icy zenith]

Yeah it's 20 years after act 2. Which is act 3

[winged knoll]

nicky is probs around his late 20s in act 3

[icy zenith]

So hn2 is prolly around a few years later

[radiant pebble]

So question, the location were at in HN2 is the same house as the first game right?

[winged knoll]

no

[icy zenith]

He's most likely around 30 as he was 13 in act 1

[winged knoll]

its still in raven brooks but not the same neighborhood

[radiant pebble]

Ah okay

[winged knoll]

my theory is that its in an area called old town that is mentioned in the books and animated series

[gray dome]

abt a year likely

act 1 - 1996
act 2 - 3 months later or 2 i cant remember
hn2 - hurricane then probably abt a year later
act 3 - 15 years later

[winged knoll]

its 2 months

[icy zenith]

Why would It be a year later

🤔

[winged knoll]

well the neighbor would go missing at some point

[gray dome]

hurricane

[icy zenith]

Didn't Nikita say act 3 was 20 years later

[winged knoll]

probs would go missing right after nicky got out ut the hurricane probs delayed it

[gray dome]

if it was years later people would have probably already moved back in

[radiant pebble]

The last 2 acts of Hn1 are all in Nickys head right? The house is actually burnt down

[gray dome]

yes and no

its his imagination

[icy zenith]

Reset day is most likely decade's later

[gray dome]

25 years after books 4-6

[winged knoll]

90 percent of act 3 is a dreamm

[icy zenith]

Yeah act 3 is essentially a dream

Of him overcoming trauma

[gray dome]

nothing is a dream

[icy zenith]

Then it'd make no sense

[winged knoll]

yeah

[gray dome]

ask Nikita

[icy zenith]

Nikita prolly meant it as

[gray dome]

he says nothing is a dream

[icy zenith]

I don't think he meant it in that way

[winged knoll]

nicky takes a nap to get to act 3 though

[icy zenith]

I think he says it that's its not some fiction thing he's doing but him overcoming something in his mind

[winged knoll]

the house is burnt down when he moves back into his house and then he takes a nap to see it like it is in act 3

[icy zenith]

But he's doing it during he's asleep so you could call it a dream

[gray dome]

It's probably Mayak stuff

[icy zenith]

Ah yes of course

[winged knoll]

mayak wasint even part of HN

[icy zenith]

Nikita will probably just use mayak as a plot device

To fix retcons

[winged knoll]

what does mayak do anyways

wasint it something about weather

[icy zenith]

Yeah it's meant to fix plot holes

[radiant pebble]

I need to read the books, I have no idea what you guys are talking about lol

[tribal talon]

hn2 - hurricane then probably abt a year later

[icy zenith]

Act 1 is in 1996

[gray dome]

btw i dont mean the hurricane is a yr later

i mean hn2 itself is a year after the hurricane

[icy zenith]

They don't specify when the hurricane is

[gray dome]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[icy zenith]

The graphic novel will probably tell

[gray dome]

judging from SN probably not very long

[icy zenith]

Sn is in 1997 I think

Or actually 1996

Because they're planning to break him out whilst he's still there

[gray dome]

my theory tho is Mayak messes with timelines / time itself

[icy zenith]

But we know Nicky just escapes himself

[winged knoll]

sn takes place between act 1-2

[icy zenith]

That would create a lot of plot holes

[winged knoll]

so probs about a month after nicky got captured

[gray dome]

it'd explain all the plot holes and also why DARKs plot is so similar

[icy zenith]

How would it explain everything

Without it just being an excuse for everything

[gray dome]

timeline resets

Classics theory

if he still uses it

[icy zenith]

But if we had that then everything that would happen would just be useless

Oh this character dies but the timeline resets

So now they're brought back

[gray dome]

nono

reset in a way that only minor events get changed

[icy zenith]

Still if they change a timeline

They make different choices which can still have big impacts

[tribal talon]

hn2

bea quent

[icy zenith]

Like

If Aaron never went to the Gaap

Lucy would never die

[gray dome]

Yes but that event happens in all timelines it seems

no matter what Lucy dies

[icy zenith]

That's the main problem with the entire stuff with multiple timelines is that the rules are so thin

[icy zenith]

Perhaps it's working on the principle of fixed points

.

[tribal talon]

hn existed good enough without any Lucy

[icy zenith]

Like perhaps Lucy's death is a fixed point

But at the same time

[tribal talon]

unimportant

[icy zenith]

Having the timeline changing also just becomes an excuse to a certain point

[gray dome]

minor details such as what Ted wears to GAAPs opening I mean

[icy zenith]

Can you just shut up if you're not adding anything

[tribal talon]

why

[icy zenith]

I guess but then it'd just be a paradox

All your saying is books bad or this book thing is not important

We get it

[tribal talon]

block me if you don't like it

[gray dome]

I mean it's not really a paradox if it allows the timeline to continue

[icy zenith]

Like if Lucy didn't die

On the Gaap

Then she'd die in a car accident or something

Or this time Mya dies

[gray dome]

nah probably GAAP always

[icy zenith]

No if Aaron was to prevent her from going to the Golden Apple

And if it was a fixed point

Then maybe Lucy dies another way

Or perhaps Mya dies

The problem is that hn will just become super confusing

[tribal talon]

what if "Lucy" didn't died?

is it gonna change anything

[gray dome]

probably

[tribal talon]

Diane will die in car crash anyway

[icy zenith]

Yeah

[tribal talon]

and everything will start from it

[icy zenith]

I mean if she doesn't die then there's no lawsuit

And it means Mya dies

On the park

Snd Gaap wouldn't close which means

Cleave could prolly kill more people

[tribal talon]

which means book are not canon

[icy zenith]

What

[tribal talon]

because Mya died in set 5

[icy zenith]

Then that would

Be multiple timelines

[tribal talon]

good

i wish

[icy zenith]

See it's kind of this plot device

[tribal talon]

games are 1 universe
books another universe

[icy zenith]

I just don't know how far they'll take it

[tribal talon]

but nooo

[icy zenith]

What

[gray dome]

well what I mean is that what happens is the same in every timeline

[icy zenith]

They're in the same universe but

Different continuities

[gray dome]

Mya will always die from the roof
Lucy will always die from GAPP
And Diane will always be killed in a car crash

[icy zenith]

Then

What's the point of the timeline resetting

So Jrbs theory is that everything is a paradox

[copper wave]

no

[tribal talon]

ohgod

where did you come from

[copper wave]

i go back to sleep now

[winged knoll]

pft

[tribal talon]

everything was good
till b**ks

[icy zenith]

What

Then what is it

Shit now he's not gonna explain it

[elder solar]

BUENAS

[icy zenith]

Guess being a mod means you can't talk as much 😔

[tribal talon]

even tho he doesn't know any much than we

[copper wave]

no im just sleeping

[icy zenith]

What's the timeline theory then

[copper wave]

timelines exist
that is my theory

[icy zenith]

Crap

Mod Jrb vs normal Jrb

[small meteor]

oh okay

[copper wave]

i would explain it but itd be impossible to do on my phone and text chat

[icy zenith]

So you mean that books and games are in different continuitys

[tribal talon]

i hope

[copper wave]

they "are" in the same continuity

[tribal talon]

aw

[gray dome]

didnt u make a timeline graph

[icy zenith]

Well hn books are better for explaining a timeline of events

[small meteor]

ah

[tribal talon]

are

that feeling when books are just expading hn universe and not adding something new, but everyone saying that everything happened because of events in books

[icy zenith]

They added a lot

Wdym they added nothing new

[tribal talon]

First word from me in this channel in 2 days:

"Are"

[winged knoll]

classic is the lore master he holds all of the keys to the locked tome of HN lore

[icy zenith]

He's just respected

[copper wave]

golden apple park was in the books before they were in the games

[icy zenith]

More than someone like me

[tribal talon]

The problem is the way the contradiction works

We don't know if they still follow the old canon or not

[icy zenith]

No! But the alpha 1 had a picture of a golden apple and a carnival thing which means they were both related!!. Dnfhdbfhd!

[tribal talon]

blood ties park in hn1
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/593437250298052609.png?v=1

[copper wave]

blood ties had nothing to do with the GAAP

[icy zenith]

Your mom ties to the Golden Apple park

[winged knoll]

be nice

[copper wave]

and nikita said the golden apple in final release was just an easter egg for longterm fans, so that doesnt connect it to lore either

[tribal talon]

Make Raven City canon

Classic deserves it after the hard work he does on the server

[copper wave]

so that means that the books have infact added something to the lore, and it already played a major part in HN2

[tribal talon]

actually, they started to make hgp when book 1 was just annouced
and hgp already had Golden Apple Park

so get rekt

[copper wave]

the book was starting to be made in march of 2018

[tribal talon]

Nikita said that they are not canon back then

but Gaap existed already

[tribal talon]

That aged well

ok

[small meteor]

ah yes repressed memories

[copper wave]

they were not canon at first, but then were turned canon

[tribal talon]

still, hgp already had gaap

The problem with them being canon is the plotholes

[copper wave]

but it still had the GAAP first, as it was being made before HN2 started being developed/conceptualized

[tribal talon]

but technically park appeared in games first

Why is the entire town in Wayron Croobian and not English like the books?

sooo go to sleep

sleep

🛌

[copper wave]

a roller coaster appeared once in the games which had no references to any park the neighbor had made at all

[tribal talon]

i'm talking about hgp

[copper wave]

hgp was after book 1

[tribal talon]

they started in august 2018

before it, they planned to start to make it

gaap thing in hgp is not just random thing

so technically... technically, gaap appeared in hgp first

Was August 2018 when it was still LNS?

maybe

[small meteor]

I have become the subjective Quentin

[gray dome]

only 4 months till RD

[tribal talon]

Classic go to sleep

[gray dome]

I wonder what we'll learn in RD

[tribal talon]

spoilers for hn2

[icy zenith]

How do you know

When they started making HGP

They made Gaap then

Like during development

And not something after book 1

[tribal talon]

you know, it's not like in the middle of development "oh hey guys, let's add gaap to the game, it'll be fun!"

they planned to start hgp from it

[gray dome]

Alex said they kept experimenting with environments and eventually just went with GAAP

I think

I want more desc.

[tribal talon]

so

from august to february

book 1 was still not canon at that time