lore-discussion

[wicked heath]

Destroy town ig

[inland folio]

spooky

[dreamy sluice]

i've heard from others in this server that the weather station, the Mayak, can actually control the weather

[wicked heath]

Just let the ritual be broken

[unkempt sleet]

Okay thats not much different than what i said

[silver vine]

its already 90% destroyed......

[eager island]

and also killing everyone for whatever reason

[dreamy sluice]

you're saying that it's meant to be the same story

[wicked heath]

Welcome to RavenBrooks Disaster

Id post a pic, but revoked embed…

[wicked heath]

Theres still the 10%!!!!! :DD

[tiny trench]

This may be part of IN-GAME lore...

[silver vine]

well, the weather station itself cant control weather

[unkempt sleet]

It's meant to be the same concept of a story is what i meant. Of course it can't be 1 to 1 the same story if Nikita isn't writing it

[eager island]

its like a alt story

[wicked heath]

No its just the arg. It has no relevence anymore

[dreamy sluice]

if you think you don't deserve it/don't know why, you could DM tinyjacky

[eager island]

specifically ties to hn1 rather than all of franchise

[silver vine]

its just that in one book, the neighbor built a device capable of controling weather there

[wicked heath]

Idk why my embed got revoked, but at this point, I dont think it really matters anymore

Surely mods will throw me some random reason or something even tho i never posted anything wrong

[eager island]

well the statue controlling weather is more accurate than mayak i would say

[dreamy sluice]

i meaan it's not really the same concept, as the ITM story is based on Andy being in a coma caused by the car crash
and in the original story you're kidnapped by the devil

[silver vine]

maybe neigh is just trying to flood the town again to destroy whatevers left of it

[unkempt sleet]

No im pretty sure coma plotline is the devil plotline

you're in coma and you're trying to escape the devils clutches

[silver vine]

I mean, its just the ppl who think that it can control weather tho right

[unkempt sleet]

they even had that one comic where the car crash happens

[eager island]

hes bothered by the people who are returning to the guest

[dreamy sluice]

and in that same comic the neighbor quite literally drives up and makes you disappear, yes

[eager island]

it prevents storm in literal form

[dreamy sluice]

you're not left in the road bleeding out

you aren't even in the car, really

[silver vine]

how does a statue prevent storms tho?

[eager island]

its like its protecting the town from misfortunes

[silver vine]

how

[eager island]

no idea

[silver vine]

isnt HN3 grounded

[dreamy sluice]

elena isn't one to shy away from giving glimpes of the player in the art, so the idea that it's just to conceal the player's identity is a bit less believable imo

[silver vine]

why

[eager island]

its a metaphor

[unkempt sleet]

well weather controlling rituals doesnt count as grounded i guess

[eager island]

rather than being literal thing

[silver vine]

I never said they were

[eager island]

with no dev explanation you can say hn1 has pretty supernatural stuff too

[unkempt sleet]

well you cant say its a metaphor for sure if we dont know that

especially with Nikita saying HN3 is grounded, i'd take what i see in face value rather than HN1 like metaphors

[silver vine]

what is the deal with mayak and neighbor then

[eager island]

nikita did not say hn3 is grounded though

[silver vine]

he did

[eager island]

he just said he has grounded story telling

its still the case for hn1

[dreamy sluice]

not to mention the nightmares in alpha 1 and pre-alpha, alpha 1 alluding to the neighbor causing the crash and the pre-alpha alluding to the neighbor kidnapping you

[dreamy sluice]

and that one interview with grandeturisto where he says that while the player is near death from the crash, he's taken to a false reality

[silver vine]

why doesnt HN3 have Nicky's house

its reminding me of HN2 Alphas

[dreamy sluice]

because they're evil and hate us (no real reason)

[eager island]

still does not condradict what i said

[solar vale]

Maybe destroyed by the storms

[silver vine]

there should atleast be ruins, like the neighbors house

[eager island]

nikita previously said he has grounded storytelling, not just specifically hn3 being grounded

even alex have said there is grounded explanation of stuff

[solar vale]

Isnt neighbor's house rebuilt? Im remembering smth like that from one of the graphic novels

[dreamy sluice]

there's also not really a lot that points to the idea of the player actually being in a coma

in fact i still haven't found anything actually

[eager island]

the coma was never a thing from what i know

[silver vine]

it was never rebuilt, and neighbor's house never appeared in any graphic novel

[dreamy sluice]

there's the hospital bed in alpha 2, but like
alpha 2 should not count, it's a different plotline

[eager island]

it was a fan theory back then

[solar vale]

Idk

[silver vine]

which doesnt make sense at all, considering the stuff we saw happening at mayak

and the cult

[limber ridge]

It was there in a (non-graphic) novel

[eager island]

because stuff doesnt happen literally

[limber ridge]

But i don't think it was rebuilt personally

[silver vine]

it was there, it wasnt "rebuilt"

[eager island]

most of the stuff we see in franchise is urban legends and other stuff

[silver vine]

yes

but Alex said AS itself is grounded

which, technically is not

[dreamy sluice]

nicky lowkey exaggerated how busted up the neighbor's house was when he was talking to his grandkids in hello neighbor 8 about act 3

which is why it's only that demolished in act 3

trust me... heh... i'm grandeturisto told me in my sleep

[silver vine]

wait......

[unkempt sleet]

i guess it's fair that it's not a literal coma, but when people say coma storyline it generally just refers to that storyline

[silver vine]

maybe its Trinity or someone else retelling the story of AS, but with exxagerated details, such as the neighbor's house going from 2 floors to a 20 story tower

[dreamy sluice]

it's not like there's other kinds of comas

[eager island]

i mean if its not important for gameplay or narrative there is no reason to add it

nikita have said that he wont be adding stuff just for fanservice

[silver vine]

neighbor's house is also not important for gameplay and narrative

[dreamy sluice]

figurative coma go crazy hard

[silver vine]

its still there

[limber ridge]

Yeah but that house is kind of a symbol for the franchise

[solar vale]

His basement will have a function i think

[unkempt sleet]

it's just the name thats stuck even if it's not %100 percent accurate

[dreamy sluice]

almira actually has to jackhammer the concrete out of peterson's basement to find the cable car floor

[eager island]

how do you know it will not be important in narrative though

[unkempt sleet]

not a coma but its not like the quote on quote "coma storyline" is a different storyline than the devil stuff

[silver vine]

I never said "it will not be", I just said its not important, in the current state of the game

[dreamy sluice]

thank you, this image was on my other laptop

[dreamy sluice]

yeah it is, the coma is like 99% of the story

we know like nothing lol

[unkempt sleet]

yea true

[dreamy sluice]

we've got three plot points and a dream

[eager island]

and its still answering a question for a non-fan player

• why is the neighbor in a weather station?

• because his houses destroyed

[silver vine]

why is Nicky's house considered "fanservice" in the first place? its literally a location in Raven Brooks which is supposed to be near the neighbor's house, if its not there, it will be an inconsistency

[eager island]

"it will be an inconsistency" as if they not remaking the map in every single title

[dreamy sluice]

"what's another inconsistency to put on the pile"
- eerie guest studio

[silver vine]

still, Nicky's house has always been a constant, like the neighbor's house

[eager island]

it is not?

nicky is only important to first game rather than all of franchise

[limber ridge]

And books but yeah

[silver vine]

I am not talking about Nicky...

I am talking about his HOUSE

[eager island]

still

[silver vine]

its literally in almost every single game

[eager island]

its same as wanting quentins office

[eager island]

im pretty sure it is not

[silver vine]

HN1, HNHS, SN, HNVR, HND

its a weird thing in HN2, but its still there

[silver vine]

the difference is, Quentins house is not right across the neighbor's house

Im pretty sure some version or atleast some ruins of Nicky's house will be in HN3 full game

[eager island]

thinking about it, right across the neighbors house has a strange empty area

[solar vale]

👀

[dreamy sluice]

nicky roth was the only one not to push his house out of Missouri and into neighborland like everyone else in raven brooks

trust me

[solar vale]

Janusz ate him

[dreamy sluice]

why is man in the hat wearing neighbor cosplay rn

[limber ridge]

He wants to lure ppl in

Which i don't know about you but Teddy cosplay absolutely lures me in

[dense raven]

grave understatement

mind you before Theodore got jailed both him AND the forest protectors were doing screw all

the reason they moved on with reopening GAAP is probably him being stuck in a cell unable to stop them in the first place

yeah he only really got himself trauma, ultimately Aaron wasn't freed whatsoever and he himself needed the cavalry to get out in the first place (kinda??)

but his involvement is what gets the world of HN really moving again

even if that's false in some way not having him in a game that has a ""fully"" explorable Raven Brooks is just such a gigantic miss

he can have so much going on with Guest (assuming it's Aaron) and Theodore, ESPECIALLY given how much he has grown mentally in the first game

[limber ridge]

Well what would he see Theodore as

It for sure wouldn't be a friend probably

[dense raven]

I'd say like neutralish but leaning into enemy territory

He understands what happened to him but that definitely doesn't justify what Theodore is doing now

assuming the storm is his doing and given that it's definitely gonna be I think

[limber ridge]

I wonder If like.
Theodore stole the arm of the statue.

[dreamy sluice]

rescue squad are losers who have done nothing worthwhile

aaron did all the work

#trinityshouldstayimprisoned

[eager island]

i mean he may be the one who is indirectly causing storms but storms are not his doings

since theres mentioning of storms in past

[dense raven]

hey now according to AS she's the reason they even went there to begin with

and Aaron was fine keeping Nicky under lock until then for some reason

[dreamy sluice]

aaron hates trinity

and freed nick so that

she and her goons would leave

trust me

[limber ridge]

Lalala AS Trinity is still cool

[dense raven]

I really like AS Trinity and how she's kinda leaning a bit more into "morally grey" territory

she's willing to do things that her peers find wrong or bad

[wanton roost]

booooo

[dense raven]

I just wish she didn't use the Nicky template

[limber ridge]

Exactly

[dense raven]

she's not bad she's just taking the opportunities she got

[wanton roost]

hello

[silver vine]

when she began, maybe, but now shes evolved into much more than we could have ever thought

[ripe berry]

what was the dis, Discord was dying earlier

[tiny verge]

worldwide outage

[covert skiff]

Do you think the journalist is still alive?

[hearty helm]

do u think fgteev is still playing the game

[ripe berry]

idk lol

[clear crater]

If he did we would've posted vid about it no?? Last vid he did was about hello neighbor 2

[hearty helm]

I was joking

[dreamy sluice]

quentin dead as hell 💔

[low kite]

Fgteev did upload a short video on prototype 3, but it ends very quickly and it's now set to "members only".

[alpine crystal]

Loodgack only calls pre-alpha man, Nicky or player

[dense raven]

she called him Andrew like twice while talking to Cryxton

and you can tell she wasn't the one who started it

Cryxton

I don't remember specifics but I think it was Andy at first but then he extended it to Andrew

[silver vine]

what secret is the neighbor hiding in HN3

[limber ridge]

Maybe it's the missing arm of the statue?

It was connected to the eye staff iirc and like you know mayak, eye, Theodore also wants to take that statue down it seems.

[alpine crystal]

Cryxton actually did

[alpine crystal]

A secret that he is hiding

A very secret, neighbor

[limber ridge]

Well Cryxton like made it didn't he

[alpine crystal]

Correct.

[alpine crystal]

No, definitely not

And I don't think MJ was planned during HG era

[dense raven]

I think MITH is just fully irrelevant rn

as much as it pains me to say that

[unkempt sleet]

Mith is irrelevant for HN3 yea

just like how every character from HN2 except Theodore is irrelevant to HN3

[limber ridge]

What about Aaaron

[silver vine]

hes dead and buried

[dense raven]

as an idea yeah pretty much, I doubt the patch 9 grave sets him in stone as an actual character though

feels like them just telling us not to get excited after we find the act 2 secret photo with him

[dense raven]

you can think of workarounds but right now there's little point to do that given that he'd probably be a far cry from what he was and likely just be another "detective" archetype

and we already have like around 3 of those lol

[unkempt sleet]

okay yea, aaron too

[radiant turret]

did anyone notice andrew smith was pre alpha man? (Maybe) I mean andrew posture even the "demon" is same

[dreamy sluice]

Somebody called em Andy and Cryx adopted the name, extending it to Andrew Smith

[alpine crystal]

That's just a easter egg

[rapid warren]

как можно поиграть вместе в привет соседа?

[hearty helm]

Huh

[ripe berry]

I agree
they sealed the grave in Hotfix 4, meaning there's a chance it was not intended to be viewed as lore

[solar vale]

Any devs conifirmed it?

[alpine crystal]

Smith is definitely not dead, it's not confirmed that he is dead dead

[ripe berry]

no, but I don't think devs would hide a lore-important detail in an update

[unkempt sleet]

Y'know whats a lore important detail for Mith in the game?

That one hat

[alpine crystal]

SN?

[solar vale]

He is still in one of the graveyards. You can see it with cheats

[ripe berry]

yeah, the hat is lore
the grave is easter egg

[alpine crystal]

Where mith drops his hat?

[unkempt sleet]

no

HN2

[alpine crystal]

Oh right

[ripe berry]

there's a hat on a chair high up in the church

[ripe berry]

the game files indicate it's meant to be MitH's Hat

[alpine crystal]

I believe smith is alive

[unkempt sleet]

That One Hat is what its called iirc

[alpine crystal]

I don't think the Sombrero man/dude in the hat is dead

[alpine crystal]

That's probably not true

[ripe berry]

which makes the most sense with MitH because he's the only character other then the Mayor to have that kind of hat in HN2

[alpine crystal]

Sombrero man in the hat

[alpine crystal]

Smith stands for sombrero man in the hat

It's canon, trust 100% (/j)

[ripe berry]

plus the Forest has references to HG Characters (Beatrix Newspaper, the Guest, MitH's Easter Egg Grave) so chance are this is meant to refer to MitH

(and Mayor isn't associated with his hat so the hat more likely belongs to the one character we associate with that hat style)

[unkempt sleet]

Oh yea

the forest is HG in a way

[ripe berry]

heck, wasn't it called Hello Guest in some promo material

[alpine crystal]

Yeah

[limber ridge]

If only we had mayak in it though...

[unkempt sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8RlA5XUNWU

[ripe berry]

possible, at the same time we have to explain what dude's hat is doing at a random high-up spot in the church

(which seems to be connected to the Blue and Purple Tapes (or well those were the tapes colors before Patch 9 broke the tape colors)

Purple Tape has MitH finding the catacombs/tunnels and being seemingly chased out by likely the Guest
Blue Tape has MitH taking photos of the Guest from somewhere, possibly high up
both of which make sense with the Church Area where the Catacombs exist and where we know MitH was high up where the Guest couldn't reach

[dense raven]

Nikita said something about the name being cool and wishing he used it or something along those lines

[dense raven]

gotta love how they took it off him for the sole purpose of just having it as a prop

I doubt he'd die there??

[alpine crystal]

Yeah

[dense raven]

if they really planned the grave easter egg then why would they go through the trouble of seperating his hat and putting it on church

How did he even get up there anywya

[silver vine]

hi

[eager island]

hello

[alpine crystal]

Neighbor

He said "Hello, neighbor"! Laughter

[tawdry flame]

guys a multiplayer mod is out on HN Multiplayer Basement

[limber ridge]

Very lore

[paper atlas]

Is it true on of the devs said the guest isn’t supernatural?

[eager island]

yes, nothing is supernatural in raven brooks

[eager island]

throwback to this,

GA probably rebranded in 80's

[silver vine]

my man will use any excuse to whip out this video 🙌

[eager island]

the only products that has GA design and name in it is gas station, gaap and supermarket

gas station - unknown (before 1984)
gaap - 1984
supermarket - after 1984

cinematograph is a common name for cinema buildings in late 1800s-early 1900s

cable car may have opened during rebrand since its ads has the GA logo

but the building itself does not have anything GA related

[wanton roost]

alex dont fit in

you havent given us s3 yet

[unkempt sleet]

thats not the point of the video

[wanton roost]

yeah ik i js thought of a joke mb

[silver vine]

I wish the cable car looked more like the HG one. It was much bigger

HN3 cable car just reminds me of HN1's train

[paper atlas]

oh thx its just im a huuuge fan o fthe lore for the lats 8 ish years but new to the whole discord thing lol its like whole new wrld

since i wasnt sure before this i replayed all games and ye it dose line up since nicky is not a good witnes due to the dimentia then in search and rescue they are bassicly gassed out form the valves then quinton and his concusion plus guest dosnt do anything weird in that game and in hn3 he seems to be just some weird old guy lol

[ripe berry]

and even though you don't like using other media on Hello Neighbor 3, other media shows the Golden Apple Corporation was founded in the Early 1900s BUT does not refer to "The Golden Apple Company" funding the Weather Station (their first building) but instead the "Tavish Society"

(it's fine to use other media as supporting evidence for Hello Neighbor 3 Lore as long as the theory can stand without it right?)

[silver vine]

I dont think golden apple is a candy company in HN3

what company is it exactly tho?

we just see buildings and locations built and branded with golden apple

weather station, supermarket, gas station, amusement park

[safe charm]

Honestly I’ve kinda lost interest in hn story lately

It’s not really cause of its stuff but because it feels like nothing really matters anymore

Looking at it from a franchise

[silver vine]

I feel you man, I used to feel the exact same way

that is, before HN3 pre alpha released

[safe charm]

Like I don’t get it

Was the books ever in the games continuity? It’s weird

Or were they always separate

[silver vine]

they're like, stories within the same continuity

all the HN media are like urban legends of what exactly went down

[safe charm]

I just wonder if hn2 actually happened or not

[silver vine]

thats what one of the HN3 devs told in a livestream

[safe charm]

Like at all

[silver vine]

it did

[safe charm]

Which one?

[silver vine]

thats how everything is canon

[silver vine]

wait, lemme find it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucQFN3Dtyc

7:03

[safe charm]

I wonder how their gonna explain the hn2 guest and hn3 guest

Like since Nikita is doing his own thing from hn2 guest

[eager island]

yeah

[silver vine]

easy, HN2 Guest is connected to the cult, HN3 Guest is connected to the guest deity/mascot

and, HN3 is also several decades after HN2, so, whatever happened in HN2 prob doesnt even matter to HN3

tho what confuses me is that Alex said that the HN2/AS Guest will be the definitive story for The Guest moving forward, but it clearly doesnt seem to be the case

[eager island]

so

weather station is GA's first facility and opened in very late 1800s-early 1900s
then cinematograph early 1900s
then there is like 80 years time skip because we dont know more GA buildings yet
cable car opened during rebrand (presumably late 70s)
gas station (presumably early 80s)
gaap 1984
supermarket late 80s

and they probably left investing in town in the 90s and became a national company in the next 30 years

and because of a storm that happened in the 2020s employees who were in town were evacuated and work came to a standstill

[silver vine]

see, thats my questions, exactly what company IS Golden Apple

its clear they're not a chocolate company like in the books

[eager island]

i think they are that companies that is doing everything

[silver vine]

they have to get some revenue to do anything

[limber ridge]

Do they need to explain it anymore than the campfire story thing really

[eager island]

addition to that, GA Healthy branch founded with supermarket

and GA Publishing founded when they started to investing outside raven brooks

[eager island]

and that is when janusz and jacob took over the buildings

janusz went bankrupt at the bakery (and maybe because his wife passed away) so he started running the supermarket building, its a more profitable business

which ties to his stereotype

and jacob is squatter for some reason, he explored many places in the town (even weather station), and finally started to stay in gas station

and some time after the last storm, almira sent bob bovak to raven brooks to create report 13 and inspect the buildings

and GA withdrew completely from the town

[dapper depot]

ngl does any sort of “lore document” exist that has all the lore for this series in one place

I have no idea what’s going on anymore

[ripe berry]

Only one I'm aware of is this old one by Boaiatarch
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AcAI9lMucsQW_4F-20n6OdBkCnRdKZ0Ku4qTB6kpi20/edit

[unkempt sleet]

"pre-wtrb aka better lore" is funny

when's the "pre-hn3 aka consistent lore" coming

still annoyed at the 1984 golden apple amusement park

[eager island]

hopefully theres a proper explanation for why this is the case

ii mean why 1984 makes more sense for hn3 than 1992

[safe charm]

It feels like such a useless change to me

Like

What’s the point

[unkempt sleet]

Yea

[ripe berry]

I might make something like that sometime

[paper atlas]

Do we know the continuity of Nicky’s diaries? Is it basically the canon version of the books or…

[wanton roost]

its all canon nickys diaries lore is all about nicky trying to remember what happened in the past and all he did with a friend he spent the most fun with

[paper atlas]

Thx I’m a huge fan of the lore but new to discord and alot of the lore is in the discord I didn’t know until yesterday after 8 years that the books aren’t fully canon lol

[quick quiver]

Question: Has anyone theorised or uncovered who this guy is in the Hn3 P3 ending?

[limber ridge]

Who now

I'm a bit confused

[cinder lark]

I AM ☕️

[quick quiver]

The shadow in the right corner. In the clip, it's actually moving, before the camera cuts to the dashboard/switch

[limber ridge]

Alright i'll take a look

[quick quiver]

https://youtu.be/nFW2vnCKTvI?is=y73OdFAzi8t952k_ Here's the clip I found it in.

[limber ridge]

Isn't it a vandal

[quick quiver]

I'm not sure...
Here's also the original version of the ending, where you can clear see the tugged sleeves on the model. I doubt it's a vandal, because their models have long loose sleeves, unlike this model. (I originally thought it could be the neighbour, but I'm a bit unsure on that.)

[paper atlas]

where would thge golden apple factory fit into the timeline since mayak was likely around 1900 and cinema before 1910 where would that leave the factory

[eager island]

its covered

i actually just noticed that recently too

it wasnot obvious in the previous version

it has become more visible with the new models

[quick quiver]

Ok, thanks. I was just curious to know.

[wanton roost]

out of all vandals coverred nteresting

[eager island]

i wasnt expecting coned to do the ritual since hes the leader and generally the one that gives orders

[wanton roost]

signed seems more aggresive but covered idk

[eager island]

this could also be a some kind of task sharing

like

coned - planned the ritual
signed - kidnapped isaac
covered - did the ritual

[wanton roost]

makes sense actually

[dreamy sluice]

that's like black covered almost certainly

there's the thing with the strings

stop sign*

the stop sign hung on the strings but it's black

[paper atlas]

where in the pre alpha dose it say that?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[unkempt sleet]

The town map says 1984 and the park is in the map

[paper atlas]

thx im trying to write down time line of ga and obvs its a crucial part

cant believe i missed that spent all morning looking!!!!

[upbeat phoenix]

not good

[paper atlas]

What’s wrong with it

[paper atlas]

@upbeat phoenix

My reasoning is in simple form cinemas where called cinematography before 1910s and mayak was the 1st thing they made wouldn’t feel right to put it any earlier it would also make sense form a business stand point. As for the bakery all we know is it pre dates hello neighbour 2 at least by a year so in correction bakery is pre 1989 in the pre alpha golden Apple Park is listed as 1984 so the 60s to 70s would line up for them making the candy since time it would take to reach that level of popularity and would line up with the fact of since the park was 84. Peterson likely moved in around 1979 or 1980 to be able to make friends with Lucy and maritza and dian be prominent figure in the community and we know that ga branding was almost wiped out after the park and at the time it wasn’t known world wide due to the fact of Nicky not knowing what golden apples are and Aron saying they where the best but obvs later on they are back and guessing from the way the letters are that’s my estimate on the timeline with bob novak and the rest is facts 😊 so any errors pls let me know since that the whole point of theorising👍

[eager island]

bakery is not GA property though

[paper atlas]

Look at the apron

[eager island]

its golden apple supermarket logo, though

the bakery has a different one, which you can see in his tshirt

and if bakery is a GA propery bob also would visit there too

[paper atlas]

Your not wrong with bob but super market always say it on it even the paper in iris house

[eager island]

what

[paper atlas]

One minute il find it quickly

see the text on the ring its absent on the apron

[eager island]

yes it is supermarket logo, which what i said

i just said bakery is not GA property

[paper atlas]

u are probably correct since theres no reason with bob 😉

but there is a difrence with branding

long story short thx im editing my notes 👍

[eager island]

i mean that apron might not even be supermarket one

like janusz just stole it from somewhere

[paper atlas]

true or ga might of sold and be left over

actually thinking of it know it probably was for one reason or another re branding the format is very similar like it was just pasted on top

[eager island]

i think it might be not intentional

[paper atlas]

true lol

[eager island]

the concept art has the supermarket logo

he meant to have it in his apron

[paper atlas]

yep u got me there

[eager island]

i dont think the company went bankrupt too

[paper atlas]

even more so the fact that he even gose there in the pre alpha and raids it the store that is

ye its just that in the time line its a bit of a dud spot

[eager island]

they keep investing RB even after GAAP accident

supermarket opened after 1984

[paper atlas]

true

cause its asticker on the map

how ever whos not to say that the park opened after 84 and it was a map showing where it is going to be?

[ripe berry]

actually no, Bakery's confirmed as post 1984

[eager island]

#hn3-pre-alpha-chat message

theyre maps for advertise gaap

[ripe berry]

the Bakery has a sticker

[ripe berry]

which means the GAAP likely opened same year

unless the map was made in December 1984

[paper atlas]

good find

[ripe berry]

and the park opened on like January 1st

[paper atlas]

bakery isnt a sticker

[ripe berry]

and Nikita also confirmed the 1984 is the year the map was made earlier in the convo

[eager island]

it is

it was something different back then

[ripe berry]

you can see it starting to peel

[eager island]

i mean the building

[paper atlas]

oh ye i was looking at the actual baker outline not the text my bad

could it be tillmans store?

[eager island]

any idea about what the colors on map means

[ripe berry]

thinking about it
maybe the colors on the map could have to do with when they were built?

[eager island]

holy coincidence

[ripe berry]

Cinema and Gas Station would be the first ones built

Park, Supermarket, and Tasty Bakery are the most recent we know of

[ripe berry]

(Cinema fits since it seems to be pre-rebrand)

[paper atlas]

good idea

but why would u make a map doing that?

[ripe berry]

unfortunately we do not know how much from other media carries over into Hello Neighbor 3

[eager island]

though it seems like cable car is during rebrand and probably before gas station

[paper atlas]

and its called cinematrography wich was pre 1910

[ripe berry]

Think about it, you'd want to make your newer locations stand out on the map

[ripe berry]

what makes you say before Gas Station?

[paper atlas]

true but like 99 percent of them are new and it would petentialy just slow foot traffgic atr other locations and they do this whi supoer market with the flashy sticker

i am terrible at typing fast lol

[paper atlas]

ythats the problem 🙁

[paper atlas]

but nickys diares is basicly a conon version of the books is it not

[ripe berry]

it is best to for now only use other media as supporting evidence rather then label something as being something else without evidence within HN3

[paper atlas]

true

[ripe berry]

Everything is canon
but not in the way most think according to Nikita

[eager island]

cable car building has no elements of GA company this probably makes it pre-rebrand

but cable car ads has GA logo, which makes me think cable car opened during rebrand while not entirely certain during the buildings construction, the company adopted the name ga when it began advertising

[eager island]

and gas station opened with the name Golden Apple Gas Station

[ripe berry]

also the 1984 thing has a ripple effect that impacts the Books, spinoffs, and HN2

[paper atlas]

maybe it meens like tillmans store is repolaced with ga that sort of everything is canon not the way you think

[eager island]

makes it post-rebrand

[ripe berry]

as this points out there might've even been multiple rebrands for all we know

[paper atlas]

good point

[ripe berry]

how can we identify this to be from the opening and not something done after the fact?

[paper atlas]

the name isnt plastered evryware

[eager island]

then they would do it the same with other buldings too

[paper atlas]

exactly like the cinema

[ripe berry]

oh fair

[eager island]

what would be the concept of giving the title only to gas station

[ripe berry]

but then what could the colors mean

[unkempt sleet]

what if it means nothing

[ripe berry]

also fair

[paper atlas]

seems to intentinale

[paper atlas]

tho only slightly would of been more inconvinient to do it red rather than yellow in develpment

[eager island]

so i would say chronologically its like

PRE-REBRAND
weather station - late 1800s
cinematograph - early 1900s

DURING REBRAND
cable car - 1970s

POST REBRAND
gas station - 1980s
gaap & hiking trail - 1984
supermarket & GA HEALTHY - post 1984
GA Publishing - sometime after they stopped investing RB

[ripe berry]

but if it did mean something what would it mean

[paper atlas]

i have zero issues with this

[paper atlas]

well lets do procces of elimination

[ripe berry]

I personally label both Weather Station and Cinema as early 1900s but that's just me

[paper atlas]

100 percent

[ripe berry]

I'd also place the Hotel somewhere between Cinema and Cable Car as it just feels kinda weird to have a big gap where nothing is built

[eager island]

also probably the sub branch Golden Apple Healthy probably opened with supermarket

[paper atlas]

hotel prob not ga since not in report 13

[paper atlas]

i did think that earlier

[ripe berry]

neither is the Hiking Trail nor Weather Station tbf

[eager island]

seems like their first investment in food and drinks sector

[ripe berry]

and also Hotel Staff seem to have ties to Cable Car which could imply hotel being a GA Property

[eager island]

tbf hiking trail is not something you can close

and they do not know where is weather station

almira sent bob to raven brooks to close buildings

[ripe berry]

I've also considered the Museum being a GA Property but idk how likely that is rn

[paper atlas]

weather station dosnt matter sicnce ga would have nbo intrest and it was before branding

[paper atlas]

same

[ripe berry]

(I will admit this is mainly due to HN2 and the RBBArchives so yeah)

[dreamy sluice]

rbo interest

[paper atlas]

but it wouldnt make sens to add news syaing people whent missing at your weater staiton and died on your ride

ignor spelling im rushing

[ripe berry]

maybe the rebrand occurs when they start to leave Raven Brooks?

[eager island]

i dont think they even started to leave raven brooks before 2020s

[paper atlas]

why would they spend money on soemthing as they left

[eager island]

they just halted the investments business continued as usual

[paper atlas]

could go either way

[ripe berry]

I mean, you'd want to have a proper name for your company when you're outside of town

[paper atlas]

ye but they did at the theme park

[eager island]

well the thing is they wouldnt do like their the biggest work in somewhere they will leave

[paper atlas]

i dont understand what your refering tto

[ripe berry]

also unrelated thinking about it it makes sense if Golden Apple Corp never went bankrupt in the HN3 Timeline as Golden Apples are usually associated with Power and Immortality and HN3 seems to love making the meaning of a name relevant to their lore

[paper atlas]

true and it maches with every timeline

[eager island]

gaap is appearantly their biggest work

atleast it was like that in 80s

[ripe berry]

(they went bankrupt in the books)

[paper atlas]

well we dont know that

since

[ripe berry]

no

they outright say it

Waking Nightmare

[paper atlas]

oh do they

i love those books

[ripe berry]

the park was taken over by the Bank when the Golden Apple Corp went bankrupt in the books

and then the Bank gave the land to EarthPro

[eager island]

i think theres just a one problem with the chronology i just did

[ripe berry]

and that is?

[dreamy sluice]

they un-bankrupted because almira's dad is just so good of a businessman

[paper atlas]

its been a while since i red them when pre alpha came im readimng it all again and ga could of whent bancrup and some one restarted the comapny like 2020 ish

[eager island]

the cable car has no stops outside of GAAP
so i would say cable car is also opened with gaap

which makes the whole rebrand thingy different

[ripe berry]

wait

[paper atlas]

but there could of been a path to mayak

[ripe berry]

that makes a ton of sense

the rebrand is to PROMOTE the GAAP

that's why they go all in suddenly

[ember tundra]

In hello neighbor 3 Nicky Roth Got Springlock In coned head Animatronic/the guest/the forest dweller suit In Golden Apple Amusement park

[eager island]

editing it gimme a sec

[ripe berry]

Cable Car
Gas Station
Supermarket
Hiking Trail
GA HEalthy
all the signs and maps around town

[dreamy sluice]

everyone's favourite tourist destination! the weather station in the middle of the forest!

[ripe berry]

they're all a part of the promotion of the GAAP

[paper atlas]

U ARE COOKING

[paper atlas]

STAFF

oops fogot auto caps

[ripe berry]

Supermarket took a bit longer then expected to open though hence why the sticker thing was needed

[paper atlas]

or just to continmo on the hype

[ember tundra]

Ask me?

[ripe berry]

or they knew they wanted to open something there as part of the event but didn't know what until after the map was printed

[ripe berry]

yeah

[paper atlas]

maybe

[ripe berry]

and then they suddenly stopped any new investments after the Day one tragedy

[ripe berry]

which makes me think it could be this

[paper atlas]

thats what im saying

[eager island]

the supermarket kinda does not fit with this

[ember tundra]

What about my message

[paper atlas]

could of been under way

[ripe berry]

I think the Supermarket might've been mid-construction when the GAAP opened

[paper atlas]

yep

[ember tundra]

I have no idea

[ripe berry]

like the GAAP was ahead of schedule so the maps they printed out to promote it didn't know what the Supermarket would be at the time and they had started construction when the incident occurs
the construction gets finished anyways and becomes the last thing they open for years

[eager island]

well actually do we know what was the gaap area before gaap

[ripe berry]

?

[paper atlas]

true

[eager island]

i mean like why company decided to build it on there what was there before building

[paper atlas]

its was just land in the books

[ripe berry]

not really no
maybe a second look at the area might be needed

[paper atlas]

books say nothing was there

[eager island]

also how did they manage to go weather station before hiking trail

before gaap

[ripe berry]

ok, maybe there's on more issue with the timeline thing
maybe Hiking Trail comes first (not really a building), then Weather Station

and they built the GAAP on the Hiking Trail

[paper atlas]

maybe they had the cable car for that reason and had just a path and acomidation for staff at mayak and only go back down for suplies

[ripe berry]

except again Cable Car is during the rebrand

[paper atlas]

maybe referb

during rebvrand

ima go now bye

[ripe berry]

cya

[eager island]

what mike said about the rebranding being about advertising gaap made sense but the cable car building not having an GA logo makes an error kinda

but cable car only having a stop at gaap makes it seems like they opened together

[ripe berry]

becuase it was in development before the rebrand started, like how the Supermarket is in development when the GAAP opens

at least I think that could be why

like the GAAP and Cable Car begin construction
then part way through they realize they need to make it a big event so they do rebrands and ramp up precense in RB

and after making the maps they decide to begin building the Supermarket, which only gets into an operational state after the GAAP Incident

but that's just what I think

[eager island]

so

PRE-REBRAND
weather station - late 1800s
cinematograph - early 1900s

DURING REBRAND
cable car - early 1984

POST REBRAND
gas station - 1984 but after cable car and before gaap
gaap & hiking trail - 1984
supermarket & GA HEALTHY - post 1984
GA Publishing - sometime after they stopped investing RB

[ripe berry]

yeah this sounds about right

with the maps and signs around RB being around the same time as the Gas Station

[unkempt sleet]

wouldnt that have worked without pushing GAAP date behind

[ripe berry]

this doesn't have anything to do with why that is, just establishing a rough timeline of what HN3 Presents

although I do still wonder why Nikita felt that necessary

[eager island]

wouldnt GA having its own hotel means theyre rival with whoever is the owners of hotel in the main square

they do have a Guest Hotel in gaap

[ripe berry]

to be fair
that's somewhat typical of theme parks is it not

meant to convince people to stay at the park longer or smth

[ripe berry]

what does 1984 provide that 1992 can't?

[eager island]

option A: directing people to a hotel in town and attracting customers to your other businesses in town

option B: just confine them to your own theme park

[unkempt sleet]

yes literally

[eager island]

which one seems more profitable

[ripe berry]

if it's proximity to when the Guest Festival stopped then why is the Guest Festival 1980 and not 1990

[ripe berry]

I mean a theme park is a big money maker

and if they're staying at the park they might decide to ride something after coming back from the Supermarket you own

or the cinema

so B.

[eager island]

i dont think people would go there and then comeback

its like

more than 3 kms canonically

[ripe berry]

that's what the Cable Car's for

[eager island]

there are only two and only a limited number of people can ride them

[ripe berry]

is it something about the culture of the time period?

[ripe berry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

either way the Golden Apple Amusement Park would be a big money maker had Lucy Yi not died day one

[eager island]

well its really like a very weird thing when we are thinking about that

since only she died

in a roller coaster

i think theres explanations of this in other medias but how about hn3

why only she died

[ripe berry]

because the 1990s were a rebellious theming compared to the 1980s which we all know as the hip disco era

but still don't see why the change was needed for that

[eager island]

may the cancelling of festival tie to gaap opening

[ripe berry]

yeah but again that just changed the question

it then becomes "why did the festival get cancelled in 1980 and not say 1990"

either way we land on "why make it the 1980s and not 1990s"

it's not like it could be to give more time for Guest rumors to form if in the HN3 lore modern Guest only started kidnapping in 2008

and HN3 itself is in 2028

and 16 years should be enough time

so yeah, why the 1980s?

[unkempt sleet]

Waiting for a miracle where Nikita comes and actually gives an answer

[paper atlas]

so new time line

[upper hinge]

I think the guest is the more human form of the thing from hn1

like they both can shapeshift, have similar motives

and mainly the chaos the guest has resembles the chaos the thing had

like hmo the guest can also appear in your nightmares and posses.

But I think each are just some supernatural powers or Franklin Peterson's body

as he maybe survived the fall or got reincarnated

if the guest is older then Franklin maybe he revived him

leading to the thing, the guest, and Franklin to be tied

[dense raven]

The Thing is fear itself

it's not physical to the universe and people, it has a model to communicate the idea better to us the viewers

[upper hinge]

maybe it's accentuated by the guest by what I know and I played and sough the guest is far from before Nikki moving in raven brooks and I think the neighbor's brother is just a more human vessel to help the actual entity beneath the thing and the guest have a more standy way of walking. The thing was really unused for how long was teased and I really hope my theory is right.

Any ideas on when the next episodes of the hello neighbor show releases? I really want to find who the guest is really as he's been the best new antagonist from the series since the first game and I was really disappointed seeing him so unused even the fans atp used him better then in hello neighbor 2

[paper atlas]

unfortanutly all we know is it coming soon and they have finished making it

[silver vine]

Im wondering how did GA not go bankrupt after Lucy's death on opening day

do we know if the park even closed down and was not operational after the incident?

[tiny verge]

the Thing becoming a hallucination was honestly disappointing but I really do not want to see the theories connecting it and the Guest to become true

I'm sorry to say that but I just don't think they're all that compatible narratively even when I was hyped up for cryptid Guest

[paper atlas]

This is my updated ga timeline any issues please let me know thank you and pause it whenever you need to read

[buoyant orbit]

I theorize that Nicky Roth is the guest or commonly known as the ravenman, but there is a possibility that he is not the guest, because Hello Neighbor 2 Taking place not long after Hello Neighbor Act 2

And there the guest also appears

Even Nicky is not an adult yet In act 2

And HN2

[paper atlas]

No they said Nicky’s story is finished good idea tho

[eager island]

its actually simple, instead of blaming GA, people blamed something else

and the something else in question is

the guest

[paper atlas]

well i knwo the books arent set in concrete however in said books they bale theodore then GA the they go bancrupt so its possible they just came back years later its not unheard os look at toys are us (also could u tell me what u think about my ne GA timeline)

[eager island]

great i would say

but i think they didnt go bankrupt

[paper atlas]

thx and yeah i realy could see it going either way its just a blank spot

[unkempt sleet]

Why would they blame a folklore figure for an amusement park accident

[paper atlas]

likely omen

[unkempt sleet]

Okay but think realistic, even if many people believe in Guest, blaming a folklore figure for an accident at an amusement park

doesnt feel like something people would do

[paper atlas]

i dont belive it im just saying

[unkempt sleet]

even if its like tied to the belief of luck or whatever

[eager island]

the roller coaster name is Guest Roller Coaster

we know people connected the Guest to lucy yii's death from vandals ritual

[paper atlas]

my timeline is that video up there

[eager island]

and it was in the era when they started leaving the guest

[paper atlas]

ye ista noying aswell i think rotten core was a much better name

[unkempt sleet]

Okay but unless people like saw something that looks like Guest actually cause the accident

I dont think that seems very likely

Because Guest is a folklore figure, even if the roller coaster is named after him

[paper atlas]

maybe he did thats why peterson hates it so mcuh

[unkempt sleet]

People blaming him wouldn't solve GA's liability either

[paper atlas]

agread i think ur correct im just tring to say what i think the otehr person was trying to say

[unkempt sleet]

I know, i'm not arguing against you lol, i'm just speaking general

[paper atlas]

ye i know thats the whole point of theorizing thinking of all possibilitys 😉

[unkempt sleet]

Blaming someone that actually does exist (Theodore) didn't even save them so

[eager island]

then why else vandals would think that riding roller coaster would make you killed by the guest

[paper atlas]

maybe more symbolic

and that he is conected to the ride

[unkempt sleet]

Vandals couldve gotten that from the Lucy Yi incident, but that doesn't mean it's actually what happened back then

[paper atlas]

true there also to young

[unkempt sleet]

considering the Guest that did get Isaac isn't the real folklore figure Guest aswell

[paper atlas]

100%

[eager island]

the vandals are not even children of that generation
if they hadnt been raised with this folklore (i.e. lucy yi got killed by the guest) theres no reason for them to associate it with the guest

considering they wouldnt even think the guest being a real entity

[unkempt sleet]

They will see the Guest and think he's real and that they need proof

[paper atlas]

ye but jacob dosnt like us bcause where ga empleyes some i think they do to some extent

[unkempt sleet]

and then the sacrifice will come later probably

[eager island]

yeah if someone from that company comes to my house and forces me to abandone it

i would hate that company too

atleast thats how jacob sees the events

[paper atlas]

true but what about jandelz

[eager island]

they shut down his business too

[paper atlas]

wheres the evidence for taht

[eager island]

have you played the

pre alpha

[paper atlas]

50 hours so far lol

[eager island]

because like the note that you need to get to progress says that

his business shut down even if its rated A

because janusz took over the building, he is not an employee of ga

[paper atlas]

no i dont remember taht letter woudlnt taht make teh baker ga propeerty tho

[eager island]

well actually it was not jacobs house or janusz's business but they had a system based on this

[eager island]

im not talking about bakery

[paper atlas]

ye i know jacob

[eager island]

im talking about the supermarket

[paper atlas]

oh

ye that makes sense

[eager island]

he took over the supermarket building because he went bankrupt with bakery

or bakery wasnt profitable enough for him whatever you call it

and supermarket was a opportunity

[paper atlas]

fair but they alsoi know eneugh since the festiavl

[eager island]

considering janusz stereotype is a uncle who always thinks money, thats what would a Janusz do

[paper atlas]

no yeah your correct

its just they still ahve to know bcause the festival

[eager island]

it still fits with what i said

they were raised with the folklore that the guest killed lucy
but they thought its just a urban legend and not real since the town abandoned the guest
before the game events they interacted/encountered with the forest dweller, thought he is the guest
and that folklore made sense
now theyre doing a ritual based on it

[paper atlas]

possibly i just dont think they blamed the guest

[eager island]

atleast the vandals did

[paper atlas]

true true

[eager island]

since they most likely saw the forest dweller killing someone

[paper atlas]

very unlikely

[eager island]

it made sense for them

[eager island]

what is the point of sacrificing a child to a folklore that protects the town in the legend

they had to see the guest being different from what was told

[paper atlas]

as i said the only issue is we dont see any hate for the guest just fear they even build the statue so if iut was folk lore they woudlnt make a stuatue for the thing that in there eyes killed a child

[eager island]

they literally killing a child

[silver vine]

no like

[paper atlas]

no i men the rest not vandils

[silver vine]

if the amusement park closed down, its chapter 11 for them

[paper atlas]

i raly cant type fast lol

[eager island]

i was specifically talking about vandals seeing the forest dweller killing

[silver vine]

the only way I can see them not going bankrupt is only if the park was operational for sometime, or they reopened it

[eager island]

they still had another business on the town

that made money for them

[paper atlas]

but almost no one like GA as a company after

[eager island]

its the case in 2028

[silver vine]

dude, do you know how much it would cost them to build an amusement park?

[paper atlas]

thats what im saying!!!!

[unkempt sleet]

they poured everything to that park

[paper atlas]

exactly

[eager island]

somehow they still have money to finish the supermarket building and leaving rb and becoming a national company

[paper atlas]

sound silly but i bet they even paid petrson the pretty pennie since he was a the time worlds best engineer

[silver vine]

thats exactly what Im saying

[paper atlas]

so ga opened in summer what if the map was amde january and then shop bulit month befeore GAAP

[eager island]

what

[paper atlas]

Here’s my timeline

[paper atlas]

map made before park opened but same yaer that woulkd give time for shop

[eager island]

these maps are installed as part of park opening

not like months before

maybe a few days before but not that long

[paper atlas]

ye buit park opening are events not instant things

and shop might of been delayted by liek a week or something

or they could have paid for shop to be built so pre payed

[eager island]

it was used to be saying "MORE GA PROJECTS IN FUTURE HERE" and its not most usual sentence to say when it just has few weeks to built

[paper atlas]

legal cases take time and they started suing theo 1st not GA by the time peterson was in the clear already early 85 by the time GA lawsuit would have been won wouydl be 1986 giving thme 2 years to build a shop not only that but they acoyuld have built the shop to try and cover potential incoming lawsuit

ima go now later

[limber ridge]

Do we know If HN1 takes place in 1996

Like with HN1 or some statement

[eager island]

hn1 tells its 1997 but nikita retconned it being 1996 in reddit q&a

[limber ridge]

Can't find that in the reddit q&a.

[ripe berry]

actually no, if we assume the milk's not expired HN1 tells us 1996

because there is a falling leaf animation on a couple of trees

which implies it's fall

Fall 1996 is the Fall that makes the most sense for having milk that expires in March 1997

[paper atlas]

I think I have a solution

[eager island]

produced 25.03.97, though

[ripe berry]

Oh, THAT'S what that says...
I'm an idiot 🤦

[eager island]

i think its PRODUCED and BEST BEFORE

[ripe berry]

yeah, thinking about it some more I agree

[eager island]

actually the nikita retconning 1997 was just me misremembering stuff

[ripe berry]

also there was no QnA retconning Act 1's year I don't think

it was Nicky Trilogy and HN2

[eager island]

yeah

[ripe berry]

the QnA said 19 years between Acts 2 and 3 iirc

[limber ridge]

So that gives us 2016 act 3

I think

[paper atlas]

How dose it work with GAAP tho since it’s now 84 wouldn’t that make hello neighbour 1 1987 since Aron and may where present and that’s been confirmed time and time again

[limber ridge]

So 2017 or 2016

[ripe berry]

so if Act 1 is March 27th 1997 for instance
Act 2 is May 27th 1997
and Act 3 is ~May 27th 2016-May 27th 2017

[eager island]

which makes it
2017-19= 1998

[eager island]

wouldnt act 3 be like

december 2017

[ripe berry]

depending on how much you want to stretch 19 years

[eager island]

since nikita have said its in exact date that the game came out

[ripe berry]

Nikita never said exact I don't think
he only said 2017 iirc, not December 2017

[limber ridge]

HN3 doesn't use that probably.

[paper atlas]

But it’s not like it’s a one of in the books it’s books to shows games and more!

[ripe berry]

again, better to treat HN3 as standalone (with only HN1 being canon to it) unless proven otherwise

[ripe berry]

and canon but not in a way you think also has been specifically applied to Hello Neighbor 2

a mainline game

[paper atlas]

But that’s not the case u have Nicky’s diaries witch is 100% canon like hn1 to 3 and it even stated in that

[eager island]

i mean its probably applies to every media

[limber ridge]

Where's that stated

[ripe berry]

everything IS canon
but NOT in a way most think
until we learn how better to treat everything HN3 as standalone

[eager island]

like everything is its own thing with a some kind of sharing story

[paper atlas]

True but faulted since Nicky’s diaries is a weird exception since it litre;y is the updated retained version of the books!

[paper atlas]

Ur right tho

[ripe berry]

doesn't mean it doesn't fall into the weird territory

[paper atlas]

It just seem like such a big over sight

[eager island]

also mike did you notice forest dweller having a house in gaap

[ripe berry]

if a MAINLINE ENTRY (Hello Neighbor 2) fall into "Canon but not in a way you think"
Diaries, a mobile spinoff adapting the books, also definitely would

[paper atlas]

That’s likely just apart of the hotel

[eager island]

no

its like

[ripe berry]

pretty sure that hole elts you avoid the FD

[eager island]

much far from the hotel

[paper atlas]

Ye your right any way since there litrely wouldn’t be a work around any way

[eager island]

that hole is where he puts your body or something

[paper atlas]

Disney land has multiple parts of the same hotel

[ripe berry]

also Hello Neighbor 2 says it occurs in 1996 yet picks up after Act 2

[eager island]

like the basement in previous prototypes

[ripe berry]

yeah but I mean if you wanna hide from the Dwelle you can go into that hole
a friend did it in his playthrough

[eager island]

i didnt know

[ripe berry]

when Act 2 itself is in 1997

[paper atlas]

Ye but that can be true since takes place around September so January the dolowing year isn’t out of the question

[paper atlas]

Oh

[paper atlas]

Wait no that’s not true

[eager island]

i actually just didnt even notice his house in playthrough only noticed that when i was using uet

[ripe berry]

although HNHS has to be a year before HN1 if Act 1's in March but Stage 5's in May

[ripe berry]

yes it is true

[ripe berry]

so HNHS is March-May 1996

[paper atlas]

Since act one is in 95 Nicky wasn’t in there for a year

[ripe berry]

???

[eager island]

not really

[ripe berry]

where'd you get 1995 from?

the milk cartons within HN1 say 1997

[paper atlas]

I replaced to the wrong message u said act w takes place in 97

[ripe berry]

Books and HN2 say it's in 1996

[paper atlas]

Ye I agree

[paper atlas]

See u say here that’s why I was confused lol

[ripe berry]

which if the milk cartons were produced in March 1997, and Act 1 onwards can only happen afterwards
HN2 being Fall 1996 makes no sense even with games-only

[paper atlas]

Ye but

Hang on let me type

Nicky wa ski map in September ish then freed around January then it could being getting the warrant fleeing to the museum so on

[ripe berry]

then again it could be a college footbal situation where that poster refers to the year before because the star championship started in 1996

[paper atlas]

So Beijing of 97 could work

[eager island]

nicky was in basement for only 2 months

[paper atlas]

Ye I was working one estimates lol not exact

[ripe berry]

so in Games only the timeline roughly goes:
HNHS + HND Memories: March-May 1996
HN1 Act 1 - March 1997
HNVR + HN1 Act 2 - May 1997
HN2 - May 1997
HN1 Act 3 + Finale + HND - Pre-May 2017
HN3 - February 2028

[paper atlas]

Fair

And I just thought regarding gaap

[ripe berry]

the GAAP Incident's in 1984
if you want Aaron and Mya to be alive and conscious for GAAP Opening they'd have to be at least 4 years old
which puts Mya at 16 during HNHS and Aaron at 17 in HN1/HN2
which is kinda unlikely

[paper atlas]

How even retconned it since Theo and Diane married in raven brooks even tho they moved there married in the books indicating they lived there way before gaap! So it would work with may and Aron

[paper atlas]

Exactly that’s my problem with it

[ripe berry]

especially if Aaron is the Forest Dweller
because I doubt Aaron would only have the growth spurt at 18

[eager island]

and why would he start kidnapping people in his 38

[paper atlas]

True as I said with the marrgige in hn2

[eager island]

or killing whatever

[paper atlas]

I don’t think it’s that simple with that tho

[ripe berry]

except we've been toold the Aaron Guest only starts kidnapping people ~20 years before HN3 (2008) by Devlog 4

[ripe berry]

then again why would Aaron start randomly kidnapping at 24 (Age if we assume he's 13 in HN1)?

[eager island]

fair but what i meant is him starting doing that much earlier than his 40s would make more sense

[paper atlas]

So in short since the guest update in hello neighbour 2 they decided to retcon the fact of maya and Aron being at gaap since they married in raven brooks even tho in every other thing they where around the world only in raven brooks for gap meeting the moved to raven brooks before they had mya and Aron so gap could of been built before they where born even without the context of hn3

[eager island]

actually with that info we can arrange newspapers chronologically

[ripe berry]

if you say people disappear at the weather station is anything but first may I point out the lack of the eye grafitti on the station

[limber ridge]

Not really Teddy and Diane could have married in RB but Aaron and Mya can still be present, no contradictions there.

[ripe berry]

tthen the opening day tragedy
then the woods one

[paper atlas]

What I mean is it’s a big difference meaning the Peterson moving has been changed and potentially the birth with it

[eager island]

mayak disappearings - presumably 1950s, might be why weather station is closed
amusement park tragedy - 1984
forest disappearings - 2008
rbs vanishing - 2028

[paper atlas]

Or in other words it proof there willing to change it

[limber ridge]

It is a contradiction with books but not Aaron and Mya being at gaap in HN2.

[paper atlas]

I know I’m just saying is that if that changed other things could of 👍

[eager island]

there is like 2 options with that its either showing why weather station is closed or its more recent and its about disappearings because of the neighbor

[ripe berry]

I personally think the first option

[eager island]

but im like closer to first

[eager island]

actually RB's vanishing newspaper is 2031, but the event itself is in 2028

[ripe berry]

because (as supporting evidence) it aligns with the RBBArchives
(as supporting evidence) it aligns with WtRB
and it explains why the Weather Station would be forgotten about by the Golden Apple Corp

[limber ridge]

Aaron and Mya were in Gaap still in HN2 continuity since there's a photo of Mya, Lucy and Maritza somewhere if i'm not mistaken

[ripe berry]

but either option is possible so

[ripe berry]

Mya, Lucy, and pre-redesign Maritza

(only time they forgot to update a book design to be more games-accurate)

[eager island]

do we say that the Hoffmans were always in charge of GA

[ripe berry]

depends on how much you want to take from the books

[eager island]

and Hoffmans are actually part of RB's founding families

[ripe berry]

if you want to drag in the Tavishes no
if you don't then I guess yeah

[eager island]

because like

almira means noble girl

[ripe berry]

and Hoffman is soemthing about Manor/Estates

Estate being more likely the intended direction since an estate doesn't just include a house

and could include a company probably

[eager island]

yeah

[limber ridge]

It's like property manager iirc

[paper atlas]

Ima try find it can u help ?

[ripe berry]

looking it up

ye

[ripe berry]

Ted's House

second floor

same room as the photo of Ted at the GAAP

[paper atlas]

Wow that was fast

[ripe berry]

I also have a low quality texture file

[eager island]

okay so hoffmans are part of RB's founding families, but the generation of 1980 did some mistakes with GAAP and they had to leave raven brooks

[ripe berry]

...wait, that could be why the GAAP was moved back to 1984

to give room for neither Hoffman to be alive for the incident

[eager island]

and in the current generation, bob novak, fields operations manager appointed by almira hoffman, instructed raven brooks to close the company's businesses in raven brooks

[ripe berry]

(with 8 years to spare at most assuming Mr. Hoffman had Almira when he was at least 18 and Almira is currently at least 18)

[eager island]

and perhaps this was done without DadHoffman's knowledge

since he blames almira with it

maybe like he was just wasnt caring about the properties in rb

but almira upon discovering this sent bob to the town without knowing her family history

[ripe berry]

except how could Mr. Hoffman know the report number if this was done behind his back

he had to approve of it to know that it's missing

[paper atlas]

Found it thx

Ima go write another time line later

[eager island]

i mean maybe like he was just checking the reports and realized the 13th one was missing

[ripe berry]

Mr. Hoffman would be ~44 at most
and Almira ~26 at most

[eager island]

maybe even withouth knowing what was in it

[ripe berry]

does 44 make sense as an age to retire at?

[eager island]

so if we take 1842 as the founding year of the town how many generations will have passed until 2028

186 years

lets assume

25 year is 1 generation

7.4

so i think is like

dadhoffman took over the company after they left rb

might be like right after or way after

[ripe berry]

are we starting at 1842 or coutning existing children

[eager island]

1842 - first generation

[eager island]

and almira is part of 7th generation

and probably only member

[ripe berry]

also 1842 is athe most unreliable year you could use for HN3 Lore
it comes from HN2
it comes from the Back to School DLC
AND the room it was in was cut from the final release
but oh well

[eager island]

i mean hn3 have said us the town founded in 1800s

[limber ridge]

There's no other specific year tbf

[ripe berry]

not that I'm complaining too much, just making sure you know the source so you're prepared to change it if needbe

[ripe berry]

I'd say the .4 could be the people who were kids during the founding of RB maybe?

[eager island]

yeah

[ripe berry]

although I'd use slightly different generation gaps if we want Mr. Hoffman to only be born after the GAAP Incident to explain his seeming lack of care for RB of 22 years per generation
which gets 8.45 (the 45 repeats infinitely past the decimal)

[ripe berry]

because again the max age we can Mr. Hoffman be and have him not be alive to remember the GAAP is 44

[ripe berry]

which is the only idea I have for why the GAAP's incident has been moved to 1984

and the Festival was then placed to end in 1980 to give time for the GAAP to be conceptualized and built and have it all be after the character went out of use with the townsfolk

am I making sense rn?

[eager island]

so like

1st Generation (1840s)
founded the town with other families, presumably the people in the urban legend (they had a "pact" with the guest)

2nd Generation (1860s–1899)
their children founded the company, built the weather station

3rd Generation (1900s–1920s)
the cinema, also theres a cliché thing that the founders' grandchildren often mess things up but we barely know anything about this era so yeah

4th Generation (1920s–1950s)
we know literally nothing

5th Generation (1950s–1980s)
the last generation that was active in the town, although they laid a good foundation for the company, they betrayed their culture, the gaap incident had them to leave town

6th Generation (1984–2028)
its pretty much headcanon but might be DadHoffman being the oldest sibling of that generation, maybe he just didnt understand what was going on and his parents made him left the town in a hurry (maybe he is like around 10 since 44 is not usual age to retire), and he took over the company when he was in his 20s, made it a country-level company

7th Generation (2028)

almira is the only member of that generation, her father is retiring in his 54, and she will take over the company but the guy she sent to town gone missing recently

[ripe berry]

ok, either way DadHoffman being young in 1984 makes sense to me rn

[serene oriole]

guys give me one reason why i should believe that the games take place in the same universe/timeline

cuz trust me, i have tons of evidence that they don't

[serene oriole]

also bro why the frick are u a fan of the worst entry in thise franchise by far at least rn

@ripe berry

[ripe berry]

go on

[serene oriole]

ok so first off hn 1 and 3 literally can't exist in the same universe

so if we where to say the becuz the act 1 house is kinda abandoned in hn 3 that then it takes place before the starting of act 3 of hn 1

[ripe berry]

because Nikita has proper creative freedom this time around even if it leads to some annoying decisions with the lore

[eager island]

what does this even mean

[serene oriole]

and nicky is like what 30? that's 20 or so plus years in the start of act 3

which implay that theo is 60, cuz like he's prob forty in act 1

[solar vale]

What

[ripe berry]

Theodore has been confirmed to be 85 in Hello Neighbor 3

[serene oriole]

but in hn 3 he's clearly way older than that like bruh he looks like a zombie

[serene oriole]

yeah so it's legit not possible

[ripe berry]

Nikita confirmed he's in his 50s in HN1 awhile back in a QnA

albeit the Guidebook does say 40 something iirc (then again the Guidebook is REALLY unreliable)

[solar vale]

He born on 1943. Hn3 takes place 2028. 2028 - 1943 = 85

How its impossible?

[ripe berry]

doing the math puts him at speficially 54 in HN1

[serene oriole]

still that would make him 70 or so

[solar vale]

Am i invisible?

[serene oriole]

but he's not 70 in hn3

[serene oriole]

yes cuz ur logic is to mathy for me

[ripe berry]

if you tskr the books as supporting evidence the house was rebuilt after 2017 and that's the version we see in HN3

[ripe berry]

(2017 being when Act 3 occurs)

and then ~2023 (based off info within HN3) a particularly bad storm hits Raven Brooks

[serene oriole]

but the starTing of act 3 clearly shoes old technology wich implys that it's def not modern times

[ripe berry]

which is why the house is like that

[unkempt sleet]

what old technology

[serene oriole]

so hn 3 can't be in 2028

[solar vale]

He born on 1943 and hn1 takes place 1996 as i know
1996 - 1943 = 53

[serene oriole]

have u play act 3?

[ripe berry]

technology is weird in the HN Universe

Acg 3's confirmed 2017

gotta hop off

talk later

[unkempt sleet]

cya

[serene oriole]

but they're is literally old tv's and gramaphones and old phones evrywhere

and even in nickys apertment, theyre isn't new tecnology

so it's def not just cuz it's an abandoned house

[solar vale]

(Only in nicky's dream)

[serene oriole]

as i just said in the old house before the real act 3 and in the apertment

[solar vale]

Also its just an item model

really important?

[serene oriole]

yeah and?

[serene oriole]

yes

[solar vale]

😭

[serene oriole]

becuz it proves what time year it is

it's important proof for my theory

[unkempt sleet]

having old items doesnt prove the maximum year, it proves the minimum year

[solar vale]

Ok bro continue with ur head canons

[unkempt sleet]

it just means it can't be below that, not that it cant be above

[serene oriole]

also how did the town go from flat to on a mountain to flat again, and in hn 3 nickys hpuse is just fricking gone

[unkempt sleet]

and act 3 is one of the few things we have a literal confirmation of year from Nikita himself so

[solar vale]

I ate them, ok?

[solar vale]

This is canon btw

[limber ridge]

Literally just gameplay/artistic changes

[serene oriole]

doesn't make it not canon

[solar vale]

No way he came again 🥀

[serene oriole]

wich reminds me that the house layouts have 10 different versions acroos the franchise

[solar vale]

Bro, in hn serie. Small details are not important. Pls understand this

[serene oriole]

maybe not, but that doesn't prove my theory wrong

[serene oriole]

i only left to go pet my cat and tell my freind how dump yall are

[solar vale]

Yeah main developer's explains are not true but an idiot theory is ture

[limber ridge]

That'd just a thing for gameplay though..

It's like not actually different lorely wise

And i don't think that's even just a hn thing actually

[serene oriole]

to be clear i never said ithink this is actually the story of hn

i'm just saying that logically it doesn't make sense

[solar vale]

And we dont care

What an video game makes sense?

[serene oriole]

fnaf

[solar vale]

Yeah like fnaf

[serene oriole]

plenty of franchises, tho no tmany have lore

[solar vale]

Everything is wrong

In the serie

But nobody cares

[serene oriole]

also the original ppt story

[serene oriole]

and i never said they did, an i understand that ur not meaant to think about these detailes. i'm also in no way critiaizing the hn story, i'm just pointing out how funny it is

[solar vale]

But you denied most of the canon things

Like neighbor's age

[serene oriole]

so idk why yall are attacking me for it, then again ur all mega nerds when it comes to hn lore so anyone proving it doesn't make sense

[serene oriole]

uhm no i didn't?

[solar vale]

.

[serene oriole]

srry to break it to u buddy, but saying the creator confirmed it without any proof doesn't make it canon, srry top break it to u buddy

[serene oriole]

how is that related to the neighbors age?

[limber ridge]

Yeah it's not like the creator of the game knows the story of the game.

[solar vale]

I replied ur deleted message

Anyway nvm

[solar vale]

Look at nikita's messages and see

[unkempt sleet]

are you sure what canon is

or do you mean you dont believe it without proof

[serene oriole]

never said he doesn't know the story i'm just saying that u can' t just say he confirmed it without proof