lore-discussion

[unreal flume]

God, I don't remember when

[frigid pumice]

Is there a physical version of the graphic novels?

[limber ridge]

Yeah

[unreal flume]

I saw it in a Youtube video that showed the screenshot

[limber ridge]

I have the second one physically

[frigid pumice]

Need to get em frfr

[frigid pumice]

Nice

[limber ridge]

Maybe it said the guest wasn't supernatural?

[unreal flume]

Wait a sec

I can't find it

[frigid pumice]

I think that the guest IS supernatural
And the cultist just worship him
Each cultist became a cultist because they had an interaction with the guest or the original cultists
For example : greta (the baker) was with 3 friends in halloween when she had an interaction with either the guest or the cultists and they killed both her friends but kept her alive

[limber ridge]

The guest is not supernatural for like most of stuff

[eager island]

only if the devs didnt confirmed that he is not supernatural

[limber ridge]

From Nikita

From Alex

[frigid pumice]

So the real question is who were the people that started the cult
Like the guest wont go roaming around sayin “yo wsg join my cult u feel me”

[limber ridge]

The founders of the town i believe.

In the books, at least

[frigid pumice]

Then there has to be a leader
And the leader is the guy they’re worshipping

[limber ridge]

Cinema

[frigid pumice]

Tmrw gnna prob finish book 3 and start aarons trilogy finally

Feel like its gnna be WAYYY better

[unreal flume]

Not Nikita, and was implied

[limber ridge]

Ohh

I see

[eager island]

he is not a developer, though

he was in marketing team

[unreal flume]

Yeah, sorry, I was wrong

[eager island]

and he does not know the current identity of the guest

[unreal flume]

Oh

[hard vector]

Tbf “was” for me is probably a retcon cause I do think at one point he was, I just don’t know why would they change that

[eager island]

"the guest was never supernatural" is more natural then "the guest is never supernatural"

i dont think its a retcon

[hard vector]

same aaa thing

[unreal flume]

Hot takes

• I think Guest from HN3 is Aaron
• Franklin Peterson exists in games, but didn't became Guest and didn't disappear in Mayak
• I love Nikita's ideas and his view on the series
• Not having countries and nationalities in games is an amazing thing
• Characters shouldn't have a confirmed age, but a supposed one by viewing her physical appearance
• Some aspects like years and days should be vague
• In HN3 there should be an option where you can choose between Wayron Croobian and normal languages
• The Neighbor shouldn't never have a confirmed name, it needed to be left to the players' imagination

What do you think?

Do you agree with some of my takes?

[unreal flume]

• RBO should have been canon

• And time travel or loops or else shouldn't exist, games need to be more "grounded"

[limber ridge]

Games don't have time travel or loops

[unreal flume]

In Hello Engineer it's implied

[limber ridge]

Not storywise, i mean.
It's a thing in just a book and Hello Engineer

[limber ridge]

Fair

[unreal flume]

Mhm

[hard vector]

hn3 literally revolves around the towns people dancing around their ancient folklore statue that makes the aggressive weather disappear in seconds, I don't think that's normal

[limber ridge]

I don't think shadown figures that follow you is normal either.

[unreal flume]

But it's more grounded than HN2, Engineer and Secret

[limber ridge]

HN2 is pretty grounded

[unreal flume]

What do you think?

[limber ridge]

Secret neighbor is imagination so

[unreal flume]

It revolves around luck (that's fine, should stay)

[hard vector]

yeah but that can easily be explained by being a fear and not when you can manipulate the wheater

[unreal flume]

Exactly, thanks!

[limber ridge]

It's early in the story

It's hard to tell what's actually happening with how it is like.

[unreal flume]

To me, it should have been HN1, HNVR and HN3

What do you think about my hot takes?

• And Guest should represent bastardization of ideas and concepts

[hard vector]

nah

not buying it

[limber ridge]

1. Agree, not really a hot take tbf(If you mean the forest dweller which i assume you do)
2. Not really. I think for HN2 he was there and was in the mayak or whatever
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. Eh.
6. Sure.
7. Meh.
8. No, i love his name.

[unreal flume]

Okay, it's fair, I accetta it

[unreal flume]

.

[unreal flume]

Thanks for responding

[eager island]

rbo didnt even had a proper story

like

[limber ridge]

I mean RBO is just early HN3 story from my knowledge

[eager island]

what do you want from it to be canon

[unreal flume]

Yeah, I mean forest dweller, thanks

[unreal flume]

Because I think it works a little bit

[limber ridge]

Nothing really outstanding.

[limber ridge]

He means like which aspects do you want to be canon

[unreal flume]

Story

[limber ridge]

What about the story

[frigid pumice]

Will it be explained why maya was always holding a camera/recording in the books

[dense raven]

why not it's just an activity

[ripe berry]

7:03 in this has an important lore question, I'm not 100% sure what is said since I'm only going off the bad AI Dub but it seems to be about how reliable the past HN Games are for HN3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucQFN3Dtyc

[ripe berry]

And it seems to be an answer with a version of the Campfire Story Theory

from what I can tell, it says everything else is rumors and interpretations of the real world events/locations in the HN Lore
BUT there's also implications that there's some level of "truth" in all of the stories

to which I'd say apply the "Puzzle Piece Theory" type of thinking where if multiple sources agree on something then that something more then likely is a true fact in the overall lore

[ripe berry]

I hate seeing this chat light up only for there to be no messages

[fallow urchin]

It’s a dead game now because we have developers that ruined the game

[proven sigil]

who is the protagonist for hn 3

?

[limber ridge]

My attempt at linking what we know to mayak:
In Alpha 1.5 there was the outskirts, which was a twisted version of Raven Brooks based on rumours. And there, the house and Guest were a representation of events that went on at mayak.
So either mayak is where the rumours/legends stem from or it is a representation of those.
And there's also the mayak causing a storm, although Nikita has a grounded story so do with that as you will.

[unkempt sleet]

this guy comes to lore discussion to whine for some reason

[polar epoch]

Alma

[vagrant igloo]

Almira Hoffman
Goes by Alma.
she is daughter of Golden Apple CEO.

[frigid pumice]

Just finished hello neighbor buried secrets snd dang

Holy

Gnna start aarons trilogy soon

First book is bad blood right?

[limber ridge]

Yep

[frigid pumice]

Alr

[hard vector]

Actually now thinking about it, I know that’s not the case but if guest was always supernatural that would literally fix all his retcons because it would make him have all his previous identities be canon at once

[limber ridge]

I guess, but it makes the effect vary completely.
Aaron being the forest dweller would feel much differently If it was Aaron being possessed by the Guest.

[silver vine]

does Mayak really causes storms in the town?

I mean, the lightning strikes at mayak and all, but does it really "cause" storms

since HN3 is all grounded, how do you explain a weather station which can make storms happen

[hard vector]

Yeah but it would still be a better effect for the story anyways

[hard vector]

Yeah that’s another thing

[limber ridge]

Mehh

[limber ridge]

I don't think so.
In non-graphic novels it was built to analyse storms, rather then controlling it.

[silver vine]

and even according to books, mayak doesnt cause storms

[limber ridge]

In GN2 it did but it had a machine inside made by Teddy.

[silver vine]

it was built by Adele and Roger to study the already severe abnormal patterns of storms in Raven Brooks

[silver vine]

yes that machine was built to manipulate weather to flood the town

[limber ridge]

The severe abnormal patterns were due to luck devices i believe.

[silver vine]

yes

it was due to the cult rituals

but thats all supernatural stuff is it not?

[limber ridge]

In the observatory specifically i believem

[hard vector]

I just deleted the image I sent cause the server doesn’t like swears sorry

[limber ridge]

I guess.
I mean it's tehnically not fully proven the devices do control the weather.

[silver vine]

from where exactly did we get the "Mayak causes storms" theory

[limber ridge]

And i'm not sure how much Nikita even did work on books, in devlog 1.5 he said he had to fight for ideas.

[silver vine]

and that theory existed even before GN2 iirc

[limber ridge]

Probably due to the lightning striking close to mayak i guess.

[hard vector]

That’s the thing @silver vine nikita said that nothing ever happens supernatural wise on raven brooks but there is a lot to take it to have some sort of logical explanation that almost feels impossible, it’s easier to say that those are supernatural and call it a day

[limber ridge]

And like the mill had the eye somewhere in its storm as well i believe? Though i'm not sure If that was a thing back then.

Well i'm gone for the next like hour or 2.

[ripe berry]

actually we've had it confirmed now that everything are in-universe stories that have truth to them but are just interpretations of the actual events

[ripe berry]

.

[hard vector]

Not really cause they also said that nothing supernatural never ever happened in raven brooks which is just a retcon

[ripe berry]

wrong place to say the retcon happened man
because if everything is interpretations of events in-universe, then the people could've just had a supernatural interpretation even though it wasn't/

the retcon if anything is the fact that these stories aren't 100% real

[hard vector]

Ok plot relevant time loops, seeing future, luck manipulation are not just metaphors

[ripe berry]

Luck Manipulation - could easily be a placebo where everyone involved thinks the luck was manipulated when it wasn't
and again, none of that is real in-universe anymore
Nothing is supernatural because the supernatural stuff was made up in-universe when retelling the events
(again, you can say there's a retcon but in-universe stories works with non-supernatural things)

I hate it but it's the hand we've been dealt

[silver vine]

wait whaa

[ripe berry]

7:03 in this video

rough transcript of the answer to if the HN Games are just in-universe rumors that was asked:

[ripe berry]

yep.

can't believe we got lore confirmations from a random non-english interview but here we are

[silver vine]

wait, this changes EVERYTHING

[ripe berry]

yeah it does

This works now for one

[silver vine]

so, the HN games, books, cartoon, movies, they are all just retellings/campfire stories/urban legends of what exactly happened?

[ripe berry]

yeah

I think only Hello Neighbor 3 is a real event
everything else are interpretations of the events

[silver vine]

what about HN1?

the whole distorted memory/self therapy

[ripe berry]

probably not too far off from real events

[silver vine]

didnt Nikita say act 1 was fully real

[ripe berry]

seems like plans may have changed

[silver vine]

wasnt HN1 a personal story tied to Nicky

how can it be an interpretation by someone

its literally Nicky's journey of overcoming trauma

[ripe berry]

this was in early 2019, the in-universe story thing probably started late 2019-early 2020

[eager island]

i mean its kinda his interpretation isnt it

[silver vine]

thats what Im trying to say

[eager island]

atleast act 2 is how he recalls the events

[ripe berry]

yeah
thinking about it
they never said WHO'S interpretation it is

some of the events could be interpretations/urban legends/rumors from the people actually involved

[silver vine]

yeah, HN1 is Nicky's interpretation of events, similarly HNHS is Mya's interpretation

[ripe berry]

so it's a dual confirmation

Perspectives and Campfire Story Theory

[silver vine]

but that doesnt explain the books

[eager island]

well then its kinda safe to say that everything is its own story

[silver vine]

like, its also from Nicky's perspective

its Nicky narrating it

[ripe berry]

also adult Nicky's perspective looking back on his childhood

we see this in Hello Neighbor Diaries

it's not 100% accurate because it's Nicky's memory after 32 years (give or take) influenced by his fears and traumas but it's still roughly what happened

[silver vine]

so, that means Nicky was indeed friends with Aaron

unlike what AS is saying

[ripe berry]

Act 1 is what actually happened in 1996 from Nicky's perspective
the end of Buried Secrets is Nicky's Memory of that day decades later

[silver vine]

now, if each interpretation is different, but has truths in it, how do we know which one is true and which ones are not

and how is mayak connected to all this

[limber ridge]

Would this be any good

[ripe berry]

it could just be a symbol to represent this
a normal building that the decades of rumors and stories corrupted into a feared symbol of Raven Brooks

the "Reason the Storms got worse" alongside the Guest in the town's mythos

[limber ridge]

So wait do we take VR guset for example as supernatural in-legend?

[ripe berry]

it's not literally the reason everything is as it is, but it's the culmination of that stuff

[ripe berry]

possibly...?
could be representing something literal though

(Aaron becoming the Guest at some point)

[unkempt sleet]

I still think there was a Guest before Aaron

that manipulated and saved Aaron in HNVR, lead Quentin in HN2

probably not supernatural considering the way of things now

but still some person was there i'd say

[limber ridge]

Ofc there was

[unkempt sleet]

which i think is probably gonna be the Guest reveal in WTRB

i hope at least

[limber ridge]

Like HN2 has to be one
Aaron wasn't old enough to be guest int those times

[silver vine]

we'll see that guest in WtRB ig

[stoic juniper]

enderbunny

[frigid pumice]

Raven brooks is in germany??

[limber ridge]

No.
Raven Brooks is in Missouri, for the books

Germany is where the Petersons lived before going to Raven Brooks.

[frigid pumice]

Why is Aaron saying that hes SUPPOSED TO get his own room in germany but they’re going to raven brooks

[limber ridge]

He's saying him and Mya had to share a room in not just Germany, but everywhere else, except for Raven Brooks.

Why would he say he's supposed to be excited because he'll get his own room If he'd just have to share one with Mya?

[frigid pumice]

Ohhhhh
I didnt see the period

[ripe berry]

(back now, so just gonna say, I hate this but eh, we got a confirmation, so we have to work with it.)

[limber ridge]

What are like the urban legends in Raven Brooks.
There's the forest protectors and Guest, anything else?

[unkempt sleet]

i dont think so

just those

[dense raven]

the moustache man

honestly raven brooks has cryptids more than full-on urban legends if anything

or rumored stalkers/murderers

[abstract jacinth]

ill be honest if the neighbor had a public nickname it would be the raven brooks strangler or smthn

[dense raven]

the raven brooks barricader

you kick him out of a property he takes some other one as his own and barricades it

[ripe berry]

...
oh for goodness sake-

(HNHS could technically not be a prequel under the in-universe story stuff)

[limber ridge]

Well Hide and Seek story seems a bit too intimate to be an urban legend or rumour or something.

[ripe berry]

fair

afk

[limber ridge]

And HaS also seems like decently consistent with most of everything (AS comes to mind, which has most contradictions with stuff) so it being what actually happened seems likely to me.

Then again it doesn't really seem like they work that closely with media so.

[ripe berry]

yeah like-
the books aswell
I can see them being perspective memory stuff
but they're too detailed to be urban legends or rumors (outside of Reset Day I have no clue what's up with Reset Day)

[limber ridge]

Actually now that i think about it the books and HaS do frame the family dynamic differently.

Those could be based around rumours

[unkempt sleet]

thats very lore

[dawn relic]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[ripe berry]

So, under the in-universe story deal, what do we think is actually going on with Reset Day?

[quick cove]

Eerie guest studios please inform me on who or what is the guest please give me a cryptic clue or hint if you could

[gusty jackal]

how do I beat this game

[shell gull]

That’s a headache…

[limber ridge]

I guess it would depend on If they leave or no

If they leave reset day might be like heavily based on what actually happened(but exagerated a bit, i'd assume)

Although i don't think the Tillman would be having a blast in any case, the town being semi-destroyed probably, the Guest would still be around likely, and people still missing.

[shell gull]

Honestly anything with reset ray is confusing as it’s most likely before HN3 when it’s being set since there is little to no one living in Raven Brooks during HN3. Outside of that I honestly don’t know what to think about reset day.

I think the biggest current connection we can make with reset day to anything is The Guest being larger and more animal like being heavily connected back to HN3 and how he appears there.

[limber ridge]

So like pretty accurate once you remove all the time loops maybe?

[limber ridge]

Reset day is in 2021, HN3 is in 2028

So yeah reset day is before HN3

[shell gull]

Really wish we did get a full fledge trilogy explaining what exactly happened to give more context to HN3.

[limber ridge]

I don't even like Reset day but i do want to know where it was going.

[next sierra]

Could someone explain to me what is "reset day"?

[ripe berry]

so you know the Hello Neighbor Book series?

Reset Day is the seventh main one and would've been the start of a third trilogy

but for unknown reasons only one of the books got finished with the other two being unconfirmed if they are ever going to exist (we don't even know what they would be called)

[limber ridge]

What Mike said, and as a basic description on what it is about: the protagonist's father just died so they go to Raven Brooks, where the now dead father's sister has a store.
As soon as they move in they want to get out, but a wall around the town prevents them. It's also revealed Raven Brooks is||in a time loop that randomly resets, many people are missing, and the guest is also like stalking them basically.||

[unkempt sleet]

not randomly, there's like an estimate even though it's not fully set in stone iirc

[limber ridge]

I don't remember anything like that tbh.
Probably someone does reset them at will for reasons but i don't think there's any amount of time it can go for before reseting.

[silver vine]

no, a trilogy around reset day was never planned

it was always the final book

[unkempt sleet]

the final book with a cliffhanger ending for the whole story

[limber ridge]

That doesn't add up

[eager island]

forwarding it here too

[wide lodge]

So, the 3rd act of HN occurs after HN3?

[eager island]

no, before

[wide lodge]

Why? In the third act/ finale of HN, the neighbor's house has already been destroyed, but here he is still holding on

[eager island]

its most likely an artistic choice rather than story reason

[wide lodge]

Idk, maybe

[keen basin]

Generally things like that aren't really thought about as far as I know

[ripe berry]

Neighbor's House is just generally inconsistent past 1996

Hello Neighbor 2 has it burn down which is reflected in Hello Neighbor 1

but Reset Day which occurs after Hello Neighbor 1 acts like it never burned down

granted
Hello Neighbor lore is like-
Canonically a mix of character perspectives and in-universe stories so that could be why it's inconsistent

[dreamy sluice]

it's burned down in hn2?

i thought that would've happened like

years later

[keen basin]

in a story update the town was supposed to get destroyed by a storm and stuff and the house probably would have burned down then

[keen basin]

tbh I never really saw the books as connected to the games at all really, like even with the whole perspectives memory thing

but like with the Nicky stuff with the rescue squad I do think something with them happened before hn1

and like the vr game

[silver vine]

HN3 takes place 11 years after HN1

[shell gull]

They never ended up getting around to making more books which is why it was “never planned” it makes no sense to have set up an entire new arc with a cliffhanger ending.

[limber ridge]

Imagine it's supposed to be the town looping until the starting point of the book over and over.

And that's why there were no more books.

[safe charm]

There’s nothing that indicates that

Why would they leave the final book on a cliffhanger?

[silver vine]

it was supposed to be explained by future games like HN2 and HE

[wide lodge]

Okay, but neighbor house is not destroyed

[silver vine]

what are you telling me to do about it?

the date of HN3 is literallly shown in the bottom right of the screen, Feb 2028

[silver vine]

also, it technically is destroyed, just not as destroyed as HN1

[wide lodge]

Technically, the house is destroyed, but not as much as in HN1, so it can be assumed that Nicky Roth arrives in Raven Brooks after the events of HN3, perhaps in 2030.

[eager island]

as i said yesterday, its a artistic choice rather than story reason

[eager island]

only if act 3 was not confirmed to be take place in 2015-2017

[limber ridge]

Yeah, If we ignore the facts, yeah.

[silver vine]

HN1 is confirmed to be taking place in 2017

yeah, so

[safe charm]

It’s still interesting gaap opened in 84 now

[safe charm]

I kinda Doubt that

Nikita don’t do time loop stuff I don’t think

Since he said his storytelling is grounded

I feel like reset day saying it trying into hn2 was a mistake

Cause like there’s no way it ever tied into it properly

[eager island]

who said "time loops" are literal though

[safe charm]

In reset day it feels like they are

Time is litteraly resetting

And also neighbor is guest in the book which contradicted old hn2 where he was his own character

[limber ridge]

I think it's like.
Within the context of reset day, time loops are happening, but reset day is some kind of urban legend of what happened to Piper in Raven Brooks.

That seems like what it is idk.

[unkempt sleet]

in the context of the books its still real though that doesnt change anything

[limber ridge]

I guess.

I just realised since Nicky comes to Raven Brooks in like 1996 yet Norman predicts that when it's 1992 that can't really be due to time loops can it.

Since loops are only in Raven Brooks.

[silver vine]

I mean, HE references time loops

[limber ridge]

Is there any source for this?

[dreamy sluice]

what about Old Old hn2 😏

[unkempt sleet]

there's no way Reset Day was written with HG in mind

[alpine crystal]

"Books did!"
Then I got shot 99 million times

[alpine crystal]

HN3 neighbor house is an Easter egg, not necessarily canon

Even if it IS canon, it wouldn't matter anyway

[dreamy sluice]

mike i'm gonna do things

evil things

rude things

i'm still going through messages, trying desperately to find out where this was mentioned

and i can't seem to find anything about the neighbor's house just being an easter egg

rather than existing because it's specifically one of the most important locations in this franchise

[dense raven]

I mean I guess technically you could say it's an "easter egg" because as a location in HN3 it doesn't really serve a function aside from being Theo's old house

but uh not really?

[alpine crystal]

Evil thing you say?

[gloomy crater]

Agreed

Hel-

[tiny verge]

I haven't seen Invincible but this is still a good 10/10 meme

[safe charm]

well the neighbor is the guest in the books so like idk

[unkempt sleet]

i'd disagree but whatever

[safe charm]

but how can he not

be him

its debunked that he is supernatural

[unkempt sleet]

Reset Day was probably gonna be a twist where you think he's the Neighbor but turns out it's not him

[safe charm]

maybe

[unkempt sleet]

Probably theyre working together like GN2

[safe charm]

Do you think reset day had sequels planned to it? i assume so considering the cliffhanger

[unkempt sleet]

it was written with that in mind surely

whether tB or scholastic had plans however, i dunno

[wanton roost]

alex did say therell be future books so

likely reset day trilogy continues

[limber ridge]

He said it's possible iirc

Not that it will happen.

Or sorry "probably" that they will happen.
Which i do kind of doubt but who knows.

[alpine crystal]

You should watch it, I recommend it. It's the best show I ever seen

[alpine crystal]

Probably yes.

It's possible

If only... Carly never left yet

[eager island]

she did not

[alpine crystal]

Oh okay

[wide lodge]

what's happened with bakery from HN2 in HN3?

[unkempt sleet]

probably different bakeries

[eager island]

nothing because they are different

[unkempt sleet]

Gerda's bakery probably got shut down at some point

[alpine crystal]

HN2 is not canon to HN3

[eager island]

literally the worst wording

[unkempt sleet]

okay whatever

yea

[alpine crystal]

It is true tho

[eager island]

canon does not mean it will fit 1:1

[unkempt sleet]

also we dont need to just spat out "its not canon" to someone just asking about two bakeries

[alpine crystal]

That is what I said

[wide lodge]

Why is that? HN3 is a threequel, taking place 20 years after HN2. Doing something that's not canonical is wrong and unfair

[eager island]

everything is canon

everything is its own canon in a way

but its just not like

[alpine crystal]

Correction: everything is canon, not in the way you think, hn3 is different from Hn2

[eager island]

puzzle pieces of same lineer story

[alpine crystal]

More like a retake but yeah that works

[unkempt sleet]

making every conversation about the story about canonicity is just annoying

[eager island]

yea

[unkempt sleet]

even to something as small as two bakeries

[wide lodge]

uhhh, ok

sadly

[alpine crystal]

There are 6 HN canonical timelines so far.

[eager island]

what we can tell is tasty bakery opened after 1984

[alpine crystal]

Most of them are in universe urban legend

[alpine crystal]

It's true tho

[unkempt sleet]

okay micheal afton

[eager island]

maybe in like 1990s or something

[alpine crystal]

Correct.

Janusz is in his 50s (it's implied by how he looks)

It opened Either in late 1998.
1998+30=2028
20+30=50

[alpine crystal]

1998*

Janusz was in his 20s that times

It also could possibly be in early 2000s

Either that betweens 1998-2000s

[alpine crystal]

Tbh, I miss your previous pfp

[unkempt sleet]

why

i mean i might go back to it at some point

[alpine crystal]

It is better than the current pfp in my opinion:D

[unkempt sleet]

i see

[alpine crystal]

Janusz is in his 50s (it's implied by how he looks)
It opened Either in late 1998.
Janusz was in his 20s that time
1998+30=2028
20+30=50
It also could possibly be in early 2000s
Either that or between 1998-2000s

[ripe berry]

my current belief is that there's meant to be a level of "truth" in everything even if it's canonically just in-universe legends
Like you can still take the rough events and carry them over to HN3, even if the specifics are very different

(except Reset Day because I have no clue what's up with Reset Day)

Biggest difference being the removal of supernatural events from whatever story it is (example: Lucy Yi's Death was not caused by Forest Protector Luck Manipulation and really was just bad safety features)

(which is again why Reset Day is an exception because I have no clue what the story of the book is without supernatural events)

[ripe berry]

like Quentin is still a journalist who comes in after Act 2 investigates the town and ends up disappearing even if Hello Neighbor 2 didn't occur as shown onscreen

bc, y'know, you need the irl events to base the in-universe tales off of (except Reset Day because again I have no clue what's up with that one)

[solar vale]

The historian looks like 70-80s but she is oldest character in the town (the neighbor is 85 and nikita conifirmed it in dev3). Also i think janusz in 30s on the tasty bakery opening photo

[ripe berry]

...which isn't a contradiction

Neighbor is 85

Historian could be like-

87

[solar vale]

I think she is 90s or 100s

[ripe berry]

either way

[solar vale]

Anyway

[ripe berry]

(I hate that the in-universe stories explanation means people will probably just dismiss anything they want)

[alpine crystal]

Calculate his age, Janusz is in his 50 in 2028

[ripe berry]

this is also why I hate that one FNaF Theory that posits this same idea for the Frights Stories

[limber ridge]

I mean once you take out all the time loop stuff it mostly fits in i would say

Oh wait

[ripe berry]

because we have no clue how we're meant to be able to use anything

[limber ridge]

Yeah it's rough to Say what actually happens when time loops seem so major

[ripe berry]

most of the book is about the time loop stuff

so yeah

like Hello Engineer you can just say Ted's Time Travel experiments failed

[limber ridge]

Is there another idea on how Norman predicted the future without time loops

[ripe berry]

leading to his GN2 stuff

[limber ridge]

I ask because with how in RD they only work for Raven Brooks Norman predicting Nicky moving in would make a 4 year offset rather than months.

[ripe berry]

I hate to pull the in-universe story card
but...
I can't think of anything else
could be a metaphor for something under Campfire Story Theory

[limber ridge]

I'm thinking it may be related to the luck device for now but i don't know how much that works.

Since doesn't Gordon Cleave like flash it before Aaron's eyes in grave mistakes ending and it kind of makes him see stuff.

[limber ridge]

I mean.
It is most likely but within the context of the (campfire) story it would still have something making him see stuff no?

[ripe berry]

ain't that just Aaron getting flashbacks to the Ferneh Welt?

[limber ridge]

There was something Gaap related iirc

[ripe berry]

give me a bit to double check

[limber ridge]

The device burns bright and then Aaron describes it as "i am not here" and the ferneh welt flashback starts

Then they read the words sprawled over the Gaap

And it's when the device malfunctions or whatever that Aaron stops seeing it all.
It may just be him losing his sight then starting to think about that i guess.

[ripe berry]

it's only scenes Aaron already went through though so yeah I think it was flashbacks

[unkempt sleet]

yes

[ripe berry]

(it stops as he recalls(?) his friends and Mya getting in the front of the line on the Rotten Core)

[unkempt sleet]

then he understands Cleave's intentions with the ritual

which doesnt feel like just a flashback

[ripe berry]

will point out how just before the flashbacks Gordon was specifically saying something like "ever wondered if your family was cursed?"

[limber ridge]

And then he starts calling out for Mya too

[ripe berry]

(but yeah luck devices giving hints to the future might be the only thing that could explain Norman knowing the future without offsetting the timeline by 4 years due to time loops)

then again
doesn't Norman only have a fake device?

and I doubt the only other time he confirmably encountered one (1965) would reveal things up to 1996

so then
when did he have a runin with a device or someone using a device to learn about the events of 1996

[limber ridge]

Aaron was looking for the device in the tunnels by the end of the book iirc no?

[alpine crystal]

(Yes sadly, all of these story retakes are basically fake)

[alpine crystal]

I mean frights stories are not really canon to FNAF main timeline

[ripe berry]

yeah but you get what I meant

[ripe berry]

I really don't like thinking about it that way where we just toss everything out because it's fake

I wish we had a clear answer on how exactly everything can be used for lore

how I currently view it is:
HN1 - mix of 100% Real and Nicky's memories (Nikita said so)
HNHS - 100% Real
Nicky Trilogy - Nicky recollecting events, not 100% accurate but still mostly accurate
SN - Hodgepodge of memories and tales, probably not very accurate
Bosco Bay - does it matter?
Guidebook - ...
Aaron Trilogy - based off what Nicky Trilogy is, Aaron recollecting events, not 100% accurate but still mostly accurate, though less accurate then Nicky Trilogy due to luck manipulation
Hello Engineer - only somewhat accurate tale
Hello Neighbor 2 - somewhat accurate tales
RBBArchives - facts from newspapers
Graphic Novel 2 - mostly accurate memories
Reset Day - heck if I know
Welcome to Raven Brooks - very inaccurate tale
HNVR - somewhat accurate tale
Nicky's Diaries - Mostly Nicky recollecting events, intro is 100% real though
Hello Neighbor 3 - somewhat accurate tale (since Nikita's implied a lore reason for the objectives system carrying information over between playthroughs)

[limber ridge]

I don't think there's any clear answer on what to use from each media because i highly doubt there is even a clear idea of what actually went on to the people who work on the franchise.
I think this whole urban legend thing is a way to allow the writers to tell their own story.

[ripe berry]

(Yes I'm considering the RBBArchives more factual then HN3 under this because HN3 seems to be a tale from Raven Brooks meanwhile the RBBArchives are actual newspapers, and if newspapers aren't accurate sources idk what is)

[ripe berry]

fair
but it's annoying because what's even the point of having it all be one canon if there's no single true objective set of events

[limber ridge]

Yeah that's also fair.

[ripe berry]

(yes canon is a flexible term and stuff but if you're going to have all of the stories be in-universe tales you gotta have some form of actual events so it doesn't just come off as an excuse to make everything be one world without putting in the effort to make things fit neatly in that one world)

[limber ridge]

Actually wait what do we make of the part when Alexander said every installment has its place or something along those lines.

[ripe berry]

lemme get the translated quote from someone in another server rq

"...I can't go into detail, but I can say that everything you witness or participate in within the Hello Neighbor universe has its place in the overall story and is not there by chance."

this implies there IS a underlying objective timeline

[limber ridge]

Yet Nikita not knowing the story of products he hasn't worked on would kind of derail that(?)

Maybe it's just the rough idea of the media

[ripe berry]

he doesn't need to know the intended story in order to add to the lore to account for it
he just needs to know what can be observed in-game

or in whatever media it is

[limber ridge]

Like for HN2 - journalist investigates Raven Brooks and discovers some kind of secret.

Or for AS it's kind of a retelling of a bunch of games really.

And maybe those are used for the timeline or those are what make up the timeline entirely.

[ripe berry]

he doesn't know the intended Hello Neighbor 2 story
but he likely DOES know what the game itself contains and his interpretation of those events

[limber ridge]

Well gtg

[ripe berry]

cya mate

[ripe berry]

think of it like when a long-running comic gets a new writer
does that writer know what the previous writer was intending for the storyline next? no
but they do know what was printed and put in the final scripts on the comic pages and can work with that

the comic doesn't suddenly pretend that all of the past issues didn't happen everytime a new writer takes control
they try to work with what they have

(except for when the comics do reboots but Hello Neighbor doesn't seem to be the kind of franchise to do a reboot)

[unkempt sleet]

mike thats true so true

thank you mike very true

[hidden kernel]

im also mike

wow

[forest latch]

I think prototype version of neighbor was taking place in Russia but it was scraped and changed later in acts full games

[ripe berry]

so I think even if Nikita doesn't know Hello Neighbor 2's Intended Storyline, he has an interpretation of what is currently in Hello Neighbor 2 and how it fits into a wider Hello Neighbor Universe

[ripe berry]

like was implied

and honestly, I don't want to just toss out everything due to HN3

[alpine crystal]

HN1, Hide and seek and HN3 are connected

is it really confirmed that AS Lucy yi's death, was caused by the forest protector?

[alpine crystal]

Yeah yeah I'm aware that AS Lucy got struck by a thunder, bla-bla-bla, but who said that the forest protector HAS to be associated with the weather?

[wicked heath]

Its like severely implied

One of the things that this trilogy tried to reveal is that everything that went wrong in Peterson’s life is caused by some bad guys

[alpine crystal]

I hugely doubt the forest protector caused her death

[alpine crystal]

It's not the case in the books,
In the game, maybe
AS? Probably not

[wicked heath]

I mean, they (Cleave) literally tried using the funny curse device right on opening day of the park

And in the AS, you also have them sabotaging the park in S2, and the implications they caused the disappearance of Lucy (storm brewing up paranormally)

[alpine crystal]

Soo, what caused lucy Yi's death?

[wicked heath]

The ride was already pretty ambitious by itself, but what really got it to kill someone was them cult curse

[alpine crystal]

In the books, Lucy Yi's death is caused because the neighbor was a dumbahh

[wicked heath]

(Also, Mya mentions in the book that she was meant to be the one in the cart that was supposed to crash, but by some dumb luck passed the seat to Lucy)

(And it makes sense: the cult tried killing that family since the 60s)

[alpine crystal]

I think Lucy Yi death is a parallel to Mya death

[silver vine]

why are we talking about Lucy Yi again?

[limber ridge]

Michael Afton brought it up

[wicked heath]

Mike doubts the cult is responsible for Lucy’s death

[silver vine]

it was an accident

[limber ridge]

Which one

Books or AS

[silver vine]

games

HN3

she wasnt even friends with Mya or anyone in the squad

like in the books

[wicked heath]

Oh mike was talking about the other canons

[limber ridge]

AS specifically from what i see

And then books came up

[silver vine]

there are no "other canons" tho

its all the same timeline

[wicked heath]

(You know what I mean)

[limber ridge]

Eh there kind of are

Even if it is the same universe/timeline

[wicked heath]

I will not try to explain any of the mayak time shenanigans until HN3 comes out

[silver vine]

why did Nikita move up the date of the accident a decade before tho

Lucy died in 1984

not 1992(or was it 93, its been years since I even touched the HN books)

[limber ridge]

92 i think is correct

[silver vine]

either way the books are irrelevent now I suppose

[wicked heath]

1993 actually
Petersons moved in 1992

(Books canon)

[limber ridge]

Didn't they move in 91

[silver vine]

ah right

[wicked heath]

I dont think so…?

You’re putting me on the doubt

Sighhh hang on

[silver vine]

didnt bosco bay take palce in 1984 in the books

[wicked heath]

Yes thats for certain

[silver vine]

glad thats thrown in the dumpster tho

its the Golden Apple accident which takes place in 1984

now

I will not be missing bosco bay whatsover

[wicked heath]

Huh… i forgot a teacher was named Kornwell in the books…

(Not an important character whatsoever)

[limber ridge]

Police officer i think

[silver vine]

no that was a police

[limber ridge]

Or was it a teacher too?

[wicked heath]

The teacher Trinity mentions in her introduction in Bad Blood

[silver vine]

no, I know Kornwell was a police for certain, he was with Keith in the Nicky trilogy

[limber ridge]

Teachers feel so easy to forget the names of

I only remember Rita Ryland

The best

[limber ridge]

She i think

[silver vine]

yeah

[wicked heath]

Oh wait you’re right. We got two kornwelld now

[silver vine]

wasnt Leslie renamed to Leslie Kornwell too

[wicked heath]

Kornwell is trans confirmed

[wanton roost]

hes prob still a guy even in books

cuz maritza was diff and got redesigned

[elder drift]

someone has the timeline?

[ripe berry]

guess we officially doin' Raven Brooks Disaster 1996 now...

[silver vine]

well, we could argue its right after/around the time of HN2

[ripe berry]

yeah that's what I want to say

[ripe berry]

like I personally view that era as
Hello Neighbor 2 -> Hello Engineer -> Beginning of Raven Brooks Disaster -> HN2 Patch 9 (somewhere before Neighbor Guest happens but after Regina and Pris meet Ted) -> Rest of Raven Brooks Disaster -> Hello Engineer Sandbox Mode

[limber ridge]

So Theodore gets away from the statue, goes to the museum while Aaron is hiding somewhere.

I think something does happen about Aaron considering GN2 Teddy has this demeanor that makes it seem like he's nothing left to lose, in the context of GN2.

[tiny verge]

can we all just agree to call Patch 9 as Act 2

even though it is scrapped I doubt they're decanonizing it

[unkempt sleet]

i doubt its not canon, but it probably doesnt count as Act 2 at this point

Much better to just call it as Forest level

[wanton roost]

patch 9 is retired act 2

[tiny verge]

I don't like to see it that way because the events in Act 2 I'm sure will still happen

just altered and changed up a bit

[alpine crystal]

Game kornwell and books kornwell are separate

(even if they're the same character)

[alpine crystal]

Books kornwell is female actually

[molten trail]

G I have a feeling maya is still alive

[blazing pebble]

Guys who’s guest😭😭

[inland folio]

a visitor

[wanton roost]

nu

he is like maritza

changed into male

[solar vale]

[night plume]

I love the Hello Neighbor games. I’m a huge fan of the Hello Neighbor 2 Alpha 1. I don't know about you, but I honestly think the Alphas are way better than the final game

[lilac sable]

A lot of people agree that the alphas of HN2 are, in style and direction, better than the full game.

[tiny verge]

I think HN2 Newart and HN2 Oldart are equally really good and could even be used at the same time to make certain places look more aged and worn than others

[wicked heath]

Theres that, but theres also the originality of the gameplay loop

It was special

[tiny verge]

I'm not gonna speak on that

not until I beat Hello Guest

[copper anvil]

Hello
Guest

?

[alpine crystal]

Religion God

[silver vine]

guys

when The Neighbor was staying in mayak in Raven Brooks Disaster, he did not wear gloves

now when The Neighbor is staying at mayak in HN3, he is not wearing gloves

[ripe berry]

continuity moment

[silver vine]

wait, do we know when the park closed down in HN3?

I mean, we know Lucy died on opening day in 1984

[solar vale]

Isnt same year with lucy's death?

[ripe berry]

I'd assume similar to the books same day

[silver vine]

it closed down right after the accident in the books iirc

if thats the case in HN3, why are there still Amusement Park banners in the hotel

its been more than 40 years, you'd think they would've removed it

[ripe berry]

just never taken down I guess
or if you wanna tie to other media you can say the GAAP's reopening in WtRB Season 3 and that's why\

[silver vine]

yeah I think they reopened it sometime after the accident in HN3

they wouldnt have banners for an amusement park which closed down 40 years ago in a hotel

[eager island]

they wouldnt still have the maps in this logic

[silver vine]

I actually thought of that

but then I realized

they're MAPS of the TOWN

not advertisement banners for a closed down amusement park

[eager island]

they are maps to advertise GAAP

[silver vine]

still

they are maps of the TOWN

they have purpose

[eager island]

still they can get rid of it

[silver vine]

they can

[eager island]

or change it with other map that doesnt include GAAP

[silver vine]

but they wont

THAT is literally my question

[eager island]

i heavily doubt it reopened

which wouldnt makes sense for them to use the guest as their mascot after a accident in THE GUEST roller coaster

[silver vine]

maybe they never closed it in the first place

[eager island]

we do know that people thought the guest killed lucy

[silver vine]

did they stop the guest festival before or after Lucy's death?

[eager island]

before

theres 4 year gap between cancelling of festival and accident

[dreamy sluice]

they would if they lowkey didn't care enough to take them down

[indigo orchid]

I mean considering that rb residents dislike gap it would make sense if they tore down any posters banners etc after the accident at their park

unless people think its the guest who killed lucy and dont really blame gap for that

[tiny verge]

wait a minute

is the guy on the left meant to be God..?

since in the old Pre-Alpha lore it's about God and the Devil betting on who can get more souls

is this meant to represent their "rivalry"..?

just in a goofy way

[versed yacht]

This is based off a real painting based on the story of Judas betraying Jesus in the Bible

So yes the guy on the left is Jesus

[silver vine]

ye

but now hes retconned to be the neighbor's brother

wait, the reason I came here is

[tiny verge]

oohhh

[silver vine]

did mayak ever appear in HE or HNVR?

[tiny verge]

probably not in Search & Rescue

WAIT

no no I misread HE as Hello Guest for some reason

then to my knowledge no

[silver vine]

HG had mayak

[tiny verge]

yeah I thought this was about HG

cause for some reason my brain saw a G

not an E

[silver vine]

I really like some HG stuff has made it into HN3

vandals, park, mayak, cable car

I really wanted to ride the cable car since HG

[wanton roost]

this is like hello guest remake

[silver vine]

eeehhh I wouldnt go that far

[wanton roost]

just more open worldy

and good people

[alpine crystal]

Yeah pretty much

[limber ridge]

Not really.
It uses much of the ideas but the gameplay loop for example is not near close, nor the ai

[alpine crystal]

It's a Semi-remake

[weary hazel]

It’s Jesus

It’s based off a real painting

[dreamy sluice]

Directly, it's Jesus
Allegorally, probably (given Judas is the Neighbor) (Judas is not directly the devil as Jesus is not directly God)

(Nikita has said in that same interview you're referencing that the painting alludes to the nature of the neighbor, i believe this is how)

[dreamy sluice]

i will never accept that this is a real thing they planned and not just an artist using the first google image of hello neighbor painting they saw, with the idea that 'ohh it's actually fraaanklin' being just something they came up with to explain why the painting showed up

they might've had franklin in the back prepped but there is 0 shot in my mind that they went 'yeah, this is gonna come together nicely' and picked that painting specifically

[unkempt sleet]

it's obviously not a thing that they planned since HN1

[dreamy sluice]

i don't mean since hello neighbor 1, i mean like during the making of the show

[unkempt sleet]

it's not an out of place addition for WTRB i'd say though

[dreamy sluice]

google image hn1 oldart mug ref

[unkempt sleet]

i mean things do change as they're creating

[dreamy sluice]

they COULD'VE, i just do not think they actually did

[unkempt sleet]

fair

[limber ridge]

I don't know how much the painting is supposed to represent Franklin for AS because the context doesn't match up but surely they had Franklin planned to some extent by then.

[tiny verge]

no I don't think it's planned, I think it's just something they referenced because they care so much about hype moments and references

[novel harness]

you made TB sounds greedy than it actually is, lol

[tiny verge]

whether or not it's done out of greed

it cannot be denied that alot of the cartoon just throws in references for the sake of references

sometimes it can work out for the overall lore of the cartoon

but alot of them can be cut and the story itself would be fine

[dense raven]

HN as a whole to be honest

[tiny verge]

the games don't actually reference that much

and usually you can play them from start to finish and understand atleast 99% of it

though HN3 may change since you might need atleast some knowledge on the previous games

[dense raven]

yeah but once in a while you'll get stuff like Aaron and Co finally getting along in Puzzle Master just for Theodore to tell Maritza "I made Lucy fly like an angel" for no reason (not even he knows why he said that)

Lucy haha fly like an angel despite that her roller coaster cart flew off down and into a tree haha like the fallen angel sign in pre-alpha

[tiny verge]

that

is honestly such a massive stretch

you gotta remember that sign was made with the Faust storyline in mind

where the neighbor was the devil

and it was pretty much removed once the artstyle had changed and the storyline was changed

I doubt, HEAVILY doubt that this was some reference to an obscure mesh that most people don't even remember

the books just tried really hard to make Peterson creepy and tone-deaf

[dreamy sluice]

please, it was hello neighbor

of course they'd do that

[tiny verge]

I get the painting

that was a pretty well known painting back in the day

[alpine crystal]

Books Theodore is mentally crazy, that's all

[tiny verge]

I do not get the sign though, I don't remember the fallen angel sign ever getting traction

and honestly I'm saying that I believe they genuinely forgot it even existed

(I know I did)

[dense raven]

yeah and the kiss of judas painting was made with the faust storyline in mind

[tiny verge]

yeah and unlike that sign

that actually did reappear in a future product

like atleast that we can say for a fact was added as a reference

but I can't say they were trying to reference the fallen angel sign

[dense raven]

it is but there's literally no reason to paint Lucy as an angel than just that

[tiny verge]

well I mean... she did die

and Peterson had a really sick sense of humor in the books

[dense raven]

yeah and she did fall

[tiny verge]

(literally joked about how families are like bones, and can fall apart)

[tiny verge]

I might be wrong

but didn't she hit a tree

like the cart landed in a tree and that's what killed the people on it

[dense raven]

well yeah but trees aren't typically as tall as roller coasters

and carts have a tendency to fall... downward.

[tiny verge]

I mean sure realistically there is still an arch that the rollercoaster cart would take

[dense raven]

what's an arch

[tiny verge]

uh

basically curved lines

but when I think of a fallen angel I don't imagine that

I imagine a deep VERY deep fall

[dense raven]

close enough for me

[tiny verge]

Idk man this is just such a big stretch, I can't find it that believable

it's not even the games anyways

[dense raven]

you gotta recall that Franklin has like nothing to do with Jesus imagery or Theo betraying him

yeah

neither is franklin

😭

[dreamy sluice]

attorney you're thinking of an 'arc'

which is the shape

an 'arch' is structural or something

[dense raven]

arch is you

[dreamy sluice]

i don't feel like looking up the difference, point is they are

[tiny verge]

well to be fair it's named after arc so my bad

[dreamy sluice]

teehee

[tiny verge]

like in my defense

[dreamy sluice]

that's why i'm not cussing you out, yes /j

[tiny verge]

I can get confused pretty easily

and also in my defense I stayed up all night because if I sleep now my sleep schedule is gonna get worse

I'm probably gonna be alot dumber today than usual

[dense raven]

relatable

[dreamy sluice]

you don't have to apologize for and excuse away not knowing which word is which big man

[dense raven]

also uhhh carnival nightmare from alpha 1

[dreamy sluice]

you're fine

[alpine crystal]

Pre-alpha man(Andrew smith) profile pic mentioned

[dreamy sluice]

the english language is THAT IS NOT

THAT IS NOT THE PRE-ALPHA MAN

[dense raven]

technicallish it's

uhh

fusion

[dreamy sluice]

THAT IS NOT ANDREW SMITH

[dense raven]

ew andrew smith

[dreamy sluice]

mike why do you hate me

[dense raven]

I hate into the mind andrew smith

[dreamy sluice]

The pre-alpha man and ANDY are TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE

[alpine crystal]

I like to make you suffer

[tiny verge]

in my defense again, I usually make jokes (often self deprecating) when I say "in my defense"

[dreamy sluice]

you do not make me suffer

i just don't like reading any of your messages

or knowing that you exist

[dense raven]

this pfp is the only good art I have

of early alphas protagonist

well second only good art I guess but the other one doesn't really count

[dreamy sluice]

player_body_old under the assumption that player_body was always player_body instead of being a different person

is what that pfp is, thanks

i love andrew smith as much as the next guy

but i can't stand what andy has done to the recognition of people with blue shirts

[tiny verge]

I think Andrew Smith is a cool character

but when I strictly talk about Pre-Alpha man

I'm always calling him the much funnier name "Pre-Alpha man"

Smith is just one of many interpretations of how a fully realized Pre-Alpha man coooould be but is not Pre-Alpha man

[dreamy sluice]

that exactly

[dense raven]

Cough I'm just hating but Smith is far from a "fully realized" Pam

[tiny verge]

I meeean his V2 design looked really good

[dense raven]

yeah

[tiny verge]

by fully realized I don't mean lore-wise

I mean design-wise

and role-wise too

[dreamy sluice]

i don't like itm (v1 at least)'s story, but i adore the idea of andy as a design

(and will still play itm v2)

[dense raven]

I don't really like andy's design because

basing him off dexter

really

[tiny verge]

wait he's based off of Dexter..?

[dense raven]

but it's quite good either way

[dense raven]

yeah Michael C Hall specifically but potato tomato

[tiny verge]

I genuinely didn't notice

[dreamy sluice]

v2 andy used michael c hall for like facial feature reference, yeah

and v1 had some

references

cough cough that one image cough

[tiny verge]

I think I forgot what Andrew Smith looked like

Idk how else I wouldn't be able to make that connection

unless I literally am dumb

[dreamy sluice]

i'd get a screenshot of cryxton talking about it but i'm no longer in the nateemg server

[tiny verge]

wait that name is familiar

[dreamy sluice]

too bad

[limber ridge]

Nate?

[tiny verge]

ok so I can be on the right track and understand things clearly

is Nate the HNAR guy

[dreamy sluice]

don't start

don't you dare

[dense raven]

like I think we're overdoing it here he burnt his house down Hudson Foster style and he looks like Dexter like really huh

[tiny verge]

I'm not trying to

I'm just trying to understand things better

[dreamy sluice]

i haven't watched dexter, i wouldn't know that

[dreamy sluice]

yes nate is the hnar guy. what does he have to do with understanding anything when the mention of him

is purely because

his name is on the server

and i have to mention the server where the screenshots would've come from

purely for exposition

[dense raven]

anyway arch's player body is the best send tweet

[tiny verge]

well I was also trying to think of how long ago we were talking too

[dreamy sluice]

NO way, jose

not a CHANCE

[dense raven]

chance

he actually has a sweater pattern and nicer hair I think

[tiny verge]

what even would be the best player body

actually wait better yet shouldn't we move to throwback

[dreamy sluice]

1, haven't touched that guy in decades
2, the pictures that are readily available in servers without being locked away behind privacy are of an ugly ugly character (i've redone this fella like 8 times)

[tiny verge]

wait no nevermind there's a slowmode there

[dreamy sluice]

3, it looks bad still

[dreamy sluice]

you're severely mistaken

i implore you do not go looking, by the way

[tiny verge]

I wouldn't even know where to look tbh

[dreamy sluice]

great!

[tiny verge]

I'd rather just take your word on it anyways since it's something you made

[dense raven]

go looking where

[dreamy sluice]

nowhere

[dense raven]

please finish him speed I need this

[dreamy sluice]

even if i wanted to (which i don't) i actually can't access blender atm

[dense raven]

aw

[novel harness]

i dunno about that

[novel harness]

that's NOT andrew

[novel harness]

what

[dreamy sluice]

mike is top 10 loser

[novel harness]

Yeah

[novel harness]

I Wouldn't say that, he is a person I know irl

[tiny verge]

aren't you like his gf or somethin'

[novel harness]

oh hell nah

[tiny verge]

Michael's bio is wrong then

[dreamy sluice]

💔

[tiny verge]

hey that's what he told me a while back

[novel harness]

my bio is just a joke, michael bio however doesn't have anything to do with me

[novel harness]

that was a little joke

[dreamy sluice]

it mentions you explicitly, i hope you're aware

[tiny verge]

yeah and I'm not good at identifying jokes

[novel harness]

the entire time it was me

[novel harness]

NOT Michael

[dreamy sluice]

it was me, barry

[tiny verge]

man I don't need to be dealing with this right now

too tired for this

[inland folio]

no it was me junior

[novel harness]

Yeah I made that description

[novel harness]

No it was me neighbor

[tiny verge]

wait so like are you two just irl friends

[novel harness]

Yeah exactly

[tiny verge]

alright that makes more sense

[dreamy sluice]

does mike the mike

[novel harness]

yes, mike does the mike

[unkempt sleet]

The only Mike i know is Mike the lore

[novel harness]

I know every single mike

[dreamy sluice]

do you know mike realman

[novel harness]

yes

DETG solos everyone

[dreamy sluice]

what color is his hair

[tiny verge]

💔

[tiny verge]

(as a long time SML fan I still hurt seeing that mod)

[unkempt sleet]

Do you know Mike the lore

[dreamy sluice]

sml fell off when they KILLED bowser junior

[tiny verge]

SML fell off

[dreamy sluice]

i remember it like it was 10 years ago

[tiny verge]

I won't give an exact time cause most people can agree they fell off

[dreamy sluice]

because it was like ten years ago

[limber ridge]

Sml
So
Much
Lore

[dreamy sluice]

more or less

[tiny verge]

yes true

Hello Neighbor lore has SML

so much lore

I love lore

[novel harness]

SML mentioned?!

[novel harness]

uhh blue

[novel harness]

... Mods?

[dreamy sluice]

WRONG! It's white

[novel harness]

oh right, shucks

[dreamy sluice]

you just said you'd solo an old man

[novel harness]

shucks is lowkey bum

[tiny verge]

I'm not gonna dwell on the topic

since it is off-topic

and right now I'm not thinking straight since I stayed up late

[tiny verge]

I actually wanna look into that spy lore that was like

sometime before the Fuast lore

[dreamy sluice]

this image will make you think better

[tiny verge]

no this image is actually murdering me, what the hell

[dreamy sluice]

i don't think there's much to look into, it's mentioned in pretty much one dev diary and that's it

[novel harness]

it's just dagames lore interruption

[tiny verge]

so basically what you're saying

is I could make up my own stupid bs lore

yeah YEAH I'm gonna do that one day

[novel harness]

swear word👀

[dreamy sluice]

yeah because in GET OUT you're trying to figure out whether or not th eneighbor is a spy

[tiny verge]

wait what is that actually what the song was about

[novel harness]

I thought the player was the spy

[dreamy sluice]

literally no

[limber ridge]

No arch was joking i think

[novel harness]

yeah, the lyrics

[tiny verge]

oh

[dreamy sluice]

i shoulda put a /s at the end my b

[novel harness]

who da hell is arch

[limber ridge]

Aris

[tiny verge]

no it's my fault

[dreamy sluice]

i'm haunted

[novel harness]

what the hell is an /s, I only know /j

[dreamy sluice]

it's for /sarcasm

[tiny verge]

/s is sarcasm I think

[dreamy sluice]

like how /joking /j

[inland folio]

door handle red wood

[limber ridge]

So like in that one alphas livestream does anyone know around which time guest info is given

[inland folio]

reminds me of a wardrobe or something simmilar

wait i kno

its that one thing

[tiny verge]

it'll probably be my second fangame idea

[tiny verge]

wait is that the commode thing but wider

like that white commode but it's red and wider, and I think only has two drawers

[dreamy sluice]

you can't prove that

lore lore, yes

yes lore... mhmm... lore

[tiny verge]

Idk I thought I had a smart moment

[novel harness]

atp we will have /l

[novel harness]

pretty stupid, lmao

[dense raven]

sure it had no lore aside from maybe the inspiration movie

[tiny verge]

that's just telling me there's a whole story concept that I should sweep in to utilize

[novel harness]

it's just cupboard texture

anyway, random fun fan fic: the neighbor adopted miki

[novel harness]

miki kills everyone

[tiny verge]

can't be the cupboard texture

I've seen it, it's...something...

Idk I'm not a texture artist but the cupboard texture looks really complicated

and for some reason is really blurry

atleast that's what I see when I look at it

[novel harness]

no the last time I checked, it IS the cupboard texture

not in the way you think

[tiny verge]

might wanna check again

[novel harness]

[novel harness]

I was right

it IS the cupboard texture

[tiny verge]

I literally made a rig of the cupboard model

like

less than a week ago

I know what I am talking about

[novel harness]

wait i was wrong

[tiny verge]

yeah I'm pretty sure that is a custom texture

[tiny verge]

the actual cupboard texture is insane to say the least

[novel harness]

"Fuast"😭

[tiny verge]

it's 8:58 AM

I ain't had any sleep

because if I do go to sleep then it's just gonna make my sleep schedule even worse

[novel harness]

I am sleep deprived

I am bored

does anyone here want to chat with me?

[novel harness]

Hi!

[novel harness]

bro that's you

[novel harness]

why are you talking to yourself

[alpine crystal]

What description

Oh

[dreamy sluice]

i WOULD mention that prereleases are uncanon... but... that's a trailer and not a real release

finally.... pre-alpha man is canon...

[wicked heath]

Andrew never left

[dreamy sluice]

he prolly dead as hell

I WILL

I WILL DO THINGS

[wicked heath]

He was always here

[dreamy sluice]

the pre-alpha man and andrew smith are two vastly separate people

[wicked heath]

(enlighten me)

[dreamy sluice]

two days in a row... what are the odds

[dreamy sluice]

Really, it's all about intention

[wicked heath]

(double enlighten me)

[dreamy sluice]

Andy's got his own story, past, design, personality

Pre-Alpha man, from what we actually know about him (which is very little) doesn't share any of Andy's qualities

[wicked heath]

We are not talking about fan material right?

Andrew just being the headcanon name

[dreamy sluice]

Andrew Smith is from the Hello Neighbor 1 mod/fangame 'Into the Mind'

being the player character

[wicked heath]

The name andrew existed as a headcanon way before that?

Or am i wrong

[dreamy sluice]

I've looked back and the first time i've heard it be used for devil plot guy was in the context of Cryxton's Andy

where Cryxton got the name from somebody who i don't know calling PAM (pre-alpha man) Andy one time

and Cryx lengthening it to 'Andrew' before adopting the name

[wicked heath]

Cryxton or loodgack iirc

Someone in this pool of people

(Man this server changed so much…)

[dreamy sluice]

i've genuinely never seen loodgack call the pre-alpha man/devil plot guy andrew

but then again, i'm relatively recent

and aren't actively searching for messages from guys like loodgack

[wicked heath]

Point is:
im fairly certain this name did not come from a mod/fangame

I heard this a bunch in this server

[dreamy sluice]

i said it didn't, but typically what i've seen when people refer to an andrew

is them believing andrew smith from into the mind and the pre-alpha man

are the same guy

sorry if i misunderstood

[wicked heath]

I know nothing about intoTheMind btw,
Ive never been in the modding community

[dreamy sluice]

not like andrew smith is actually from into the mind initially, he kind of existed before that

this server's got a whole 'church of andrew' thread for the guy

[wicked heath]

Ahh yes… church of andrew…

[dreamy sluice]

this is just me though so i almost certainly could've missed stuff

[dreamy sluice]

not really in too deep with the andy smith lore as a whole, i'd say i'm pretty surface level really

[silver vine]

hi

[unkempt sleet]

Isn't Andrew Smith like a fan name for the pre-alpha guy, and the reason it's used in Into The Mind is because Into The Mind is supposed to be the Pre-Alpha storyline

[dreamy sluice]

cough cough it's not that storyline

[silver vine]

did ravens go extinct in Raven Brooks in HN3 or smth?

[unkempt sleet]

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be

like

[dreamy sluice]

i get upset abt this because if people are talkin about the devil plot and they try to talk somethin about the player, mixing up the two characters could be very confusing because now the player is suddenly like an arsonist murderer guy who is in a psych ward or whatever instead of just being

a rguy

[silver vine]

what does the neighbor want in HN3

[dreamy sluice]

it's how the creators interpreted and adapted it, yeah

[silver vine]

hes just......there

[dreamy sluice]

it is not the actual story though